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Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 15 August, 2020 19:26

Why do they insist that they can decide whether it's offensive or not.



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Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Brownian Motion (IP Logged)
Date: 15 August, 2020 20:30

White people always know best, Rich.

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 16 August, 2020 01:03

Well yes.



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Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: samlee99 (IP Logged)
Date: 16 August, 2020 14:33

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ExeterFan
Quote:
IanC
What point? We're racist and proud of it?

That they stand by it not being offensive and that they're not doing anything illegal I guess.
The sooner it goes the better. It's an embarrassment.

If the club is run like the SN site then there is no chance of change. The moderators there are now deleting posts that they don't agree with even if they are totally inoffensive. It's bizarre returning to some threads which are now half as long as they once were!

I guess the attitude is that if you can't read anything about it then it can't be happening. Works well in North Korea and Zimbabwe where censorship rules doesn't it?

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Brownian Motion (IP Logged)
Date: 16 August, 2020 16:23

I was thinking more Putin's Russia, where they also don't care about non-white people.

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 16 August, 2020 23:01

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RushdenTiger (KT at work)
Exeter should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Why?
Not as ashamed as the comedy team that purport to play Rugby for Leicester I'd offer.

It's not healthy for English Rugby when a club of your status and values are not delivering.
Consistently not delivering.

Why? That's more relevant than slagging off another club because their moniker upsets you.

If sitting in your echo chamber whilst you suffer excessive pi$$boiling ticks your boxes then fine.
Lockdown affects many differently.

Sort your own garden first before scrutinising your neighbour's lawn cutting endeavours, and start with the obvious, what happens on the paddock

It's tough isn't it?

(Sm3)

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: RushdenTiger (KT at work) (IP Logged)
Date: 16 August, 2020 23:20

Wow!

Sunday wine perchance?

In both senses.



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Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 16 August, 2020 23:34

Wow+
Tell me more Tigers.
I find a poor Leicester an almost existential threat to English rugby. Exeter lead from the front with a very transparent process.
Slagging them off for an "offensive" logo shows desperation if this site is representative of Tigers' POV.
Tigerland is increasingly opaque. Even my dear friends and die hard Tigers from Oakham and Corby haven't a clue about what's happening at Welford Road.
Do you?

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Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: RushdenTiger (KT at work) (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 08:06

You have friends?

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 10:14

Very good of you Bod to let us know what we should or should not discuss, perhaps you could become a moderator of this site.

We are well aware of our shortcomings and these have been, and will continue to be, discussed at lengths. That doesn't mean we can't discuss other things surely?

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: samlee99 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 12:42

Well he is looking for a new home!
[www.rugbynetwork.net]

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 13:06

The statement that the club put out and the interview Baxter gave basically said that weíve spoken to the supporters (mainly white) spoken to our members (mainly white) and spoken with our sponsors (mainly white) and we think itís perfectly ok.

Itís very easy for the white race who sailed around the world, taking ownership of countries as they went, to say they donít see a problem with it. However if you were a First Nation native of any of these countries, whose people have been moved and still treated differently all these years later, like the Indian and aboriginal races have, then seeing a white European team take your history and traditions and parody them to simply market a sports side, must be both hurtful and disrespectful.

Iíd understand if there was any, absolutely any connection with First Nation Americans and Exeter, but when there is none, and this is simply a branding exercise, then the decision Exeter have come to is bemusing at the least.

It is another example of how weak the governing bodies are that they allow Exeter to simply carry on. PRL are not fit for purpose. Add this onto the sham that none of the players or coaches are culpable in the Sarries scandal shows our sport is run by idiots not fit for the job.

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 14:51

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Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: arh53 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 17:21

Quote:
Saint.Kenneth
The statement that the club put out and the interview Baxter gave basically said that weíve spoken to the supporters (mainly white) spoken to our members (mainly white) and spoken with our sponsors (mainly white) and we think itís perfectly ok.
Itís very easy for the white race who sailed around the world, taking ownership of countries as they went, to say they donít see a problem with it. However if you were a First Nation native of any of these countries, whose people have been moved and still treated differently all these years later, like the Indian and aboriginal races have, then seeing a white European team take your history and traditions and parody them to simply market a sports side, must be both hurtful and disrespectful.

Iíd understand if there was any, absolutely any connection with First Nation Americans and Exeter, but when there is none, and this is simply a branding exercise, then the decision Exeter have come to is bemusing at the least.

It is another example of how weak the governing bodies are that they allow Exeter to simply carry on. PRL are not fit for purpose. Add this onto the sham that none of the players or coaches are culpable in the Sarries scandal shows our sport is run by idiots not fit for the job.

What a great post.

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 17:27

Quote:
samlee99
Quote:
ExeterFan
Quote:
IanC
What point? We're racist and proud of it?

That they stand by it not being offensive and that they're not doing anything illegal I guess.
The sooner it goes the better. It's an embarrassment.

If the club is run like the SN site then there is no chance of change. The moderators there are now deleting posts that they don't agree with even if they are totally inoffensive. It's bizarre returning to some threads which are now half as long as they once were!

I guess the attitude is that if you can't read anything about it then it can't be happening. Works well in North Korea and Zimbabwe where censorship rules doesn't it?

Same as the Saints site

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: ExeterFan (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 18:06

Quote:
Saint.Kenneth
The statement that the club put out and the interview Baxter gave basically said that weíve spoken to the supporters (mainly white) spoken to our members (mainly white) and spoken with our sponsors (mainly white) and we think itís perfectly ok.
Itís very easy for the white race who sailed around the world, taking ownership of countries as they went, to say they donít see a problem with it. However if you were a First Nation native of any of these countries, whose people have been moved and still treated differently all these years later, like the Indian and aboriginal races have, then seeing a white European team take your history and traditions and parody them to simply market a sports side, must be both hurtful and disrespectful.

Iíd understand if there was any, absolutely any connection with First Nation Americans and Exeter, but when there is none, and this is simply a branding exercise, then the decision Exeter have come to is bemusing at the least.

It is another example of how weak the governing bodies are that they allow Exeter to simply carry on. PRL are not fit for purpose. Add this onto the sham that none of the players or coaches are culpable in the Sarries scandal shows our sport is run by idiots not fit for the job.

Spoken to our sponsors = Tony Rowe's company. Great post.

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 20:07

Quote:
ExeterFan
Spoken to our sponsors = Tony Rowe's company. Great post.

I'm sure Centrax Ltd, Bradford's Building Supplies, Scot Group Ltd, The Exeter insurer, MJ Baker Foodservice, RGB, Packexe, Heineken, Tolchards, Otter Brewery, Nuffield Health, Samurai and OPRO must be delighted that the money they give Exeter Chiefs in sponsorship is so worth it, when the Chief's own supporters don't even know that they sponsor their side.

As you don't comment on anything else that I've written, do I take it that you agree with me? Good!.

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 20:09

Quote:
Bod
Same as the Saints site

I don't understand your point Bod, can you explain further please?

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 20:39

Quote:
Saint.Kenneth

It is another example of how weak the governing bodies are that they allow Exeter to simply carry on. PRL are not fit for purpose. Add this onto the sham that none of the players or coaches are culpable in the Sarries scandal shows our sport is run by idiots not fit for the job.

Is it not the Officer and Executive cadres that are culpable rather than the NCOs and Infantry?

Re: Exeter to discuss dropping Chiefs
Posted by: Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
Date: 17 August, 2020 21:25

Bod, do you really think that Mark McCall didnít know how much his players were being paid? Do you not think that Owen Farrell, (for example) knowing that there is a squad salary cap, never question how come he was getting such a big percentage of it? Did his agent not know what the deal was?

Apparently according to PRL, only Wray knew any of this and is solely responsible. Dean Richards got a three year ban for bloodgate, yet nobody involved in the Saracens cheating have faced any such measures.

As for Exeter, PRL have a contract now to show our matches in America, a country where this branding of sports teams is being seriously put under question. For them to sit by and make no statement is pathetic. You canít (well obviously you can) make a stand about Black Lives but then ignore a secondary issue arising from that in regards to branding of teams for purely economic reasons.

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