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Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
Date: 06 July, 2020 14:40

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Sorry I have changed as a person through several personal tragedies, I’m better for it, and I don’t need someone who doesn’t know me taking the high and mighty approach on a computer Keyboard berating everyone not nodding along with him.

I wish you well, here and in life, but I don’t want to debate this with you any more

You're right Stuart, I don't know you. I'm nevertheless still sorry for you for the terrible things you have undergone in your life. Sincerely.

The "change" that you mentioned and that I referenced, however, was not change in you, but change in the disposition by white society in general toward people of other races as evident in your children. If they are in fact not racist, great--good for them and good for you. Again, however, individuals not having personal animus against people of other races does not mean racial oppression and inequality are solved. It's well and good, for sure, but it's far from the end of the story.

Further, I think your willingness to countenance ill-conceived dismissals of the whole problem of systematic racism (Ian 's posts) and expressions of outrage at peaceful demonstrations against racism (Ozzy's), while you go out of your way to oppose those who respond critically to their posts, suggests that we still have a ways to go even in many people's outlooks. Why do you find their far from modest or conciliatory initial rants fine, but responses to them seem to you bullying? What does that say about your views?

In any case, I'll say it again: If anyone here (including you) doesn't want their views on such things as racism, protests against it, or the disposition F1 and many drivers are taking toward them to be subjected to any criticism, they can simply keep those views to themselves. If you want to express such views only to people who agree with you, go to the pub with your like-minded mates! Hold forth on a publicly accessible web forum, however, and you are asking for a response.

I didn't instigate any of this. Most of those whom I have addressed at all on the issue have in fact ranted on the issue and/or taken shots at me first. Many of them have not been remotely polite. I am not the bully here, I'm just not going to be bullied.

Lewis Hamilton may not yet be the most powerful advocate for social change, but I think he's getting better at it and I too admire him for his willingness to try. If you're in the UK, here's an extended interview in which he explains his recent embrace of the Black Lives Matter movement. Perhaps some of you would find views similar to those I have been trying to articulate more palatable when coming from him:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/12020911/hamilton-on-diversity

There is no racism in me my friend. My objection is to the BLM movement and the simps, fools and cowards backing it up. It's disgusting. It's founded by a bunch of marxist loons, probably the same as Extinction and Occupy etc. with Soros money and that is my problem. I have already said that were I to have a DNA test I would likely come out darker than my skin tone. I really don't care. I understand Lewis' message. I see a paddock full of white men. The reasons are many and varied ad I get the frustration and I do support positive action over time to change things but it will take a hell of a time and that's OK. It will have to start at the education level which is currently run by marxist loons as well. I left the topic alone as Andrew Hooper suggested subtly that I did. Fair enough, not my site. But don't you dare brand me a racist just because I won't get on my knee for people who want to destroy our economy, our society and our justice system. Simply not going to happen and they simply won't succeed.

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: rpaloschi (IP Logged)
Date: 06 July, 2020 15:16

Nevermind...



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Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: CLOVERLEAF 888 (IP Logged)
Date: 06 July, 2020 21:00

Ozzy, you watching F2 again. ?

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
Date: 07 July, 2020 06:37

Yep, F2 was great this weekend. Zho looks like a potential superstar.

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: GroveF1 (IP Logged)
Date: 07 July, 2020 16:06

On another topic.....

Alonso to Renault in 2021

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Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
Date: 07 July, 2020 16:22

I could see it happening. He outperforms his car pretty much every time.

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Austrian-Williams-Fan (IP Logged)
Date: 07 July, 2020 16:44

Live F1 in Austria in "free TV" incl 2023: ORF and ServusTV(=redbull TV) splits the races. AustrianGP on both channels.
Yuhuuuu!

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: shriekback (IP Logged)
Date: 07 July, 2020 21:55

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Ozzy Osbone
There is no racism in me my friend. My objection is to the BLM movement and the simps, fools and cowards backing it up. It's disgusting. It's founded by a bunch of marxist loons, probably the same as Extinction and Occupy etc. with Soros money and that is my problem. I have already said that were I to have a DNA test I would likely come out darker than my skin tone. I really don't care. I understand Lewis' message. I see a paddock full of white men. The reasons are many and varied ad I get the frustration and I do support positive action over time to change things but it will take a hell of a time and that's OK. It will have to start at the education level which is currently run by marxist loons as well. I left the topic alone as Andrew Hooper suggested subtly that I did. Fair enough, not my site. But don't you dare brand me a racist just because I won't get on my knee for people who want to destroy our economy, our society and our justice system. Simply not going to happen and they simply won't succeed.

Thank you everyone here for making my point for me. Ozzy posts this racist (as well as anti-Semitic and probably a bit drunken) rant that definitely includes personal attacks (I am obviously a supporter of BLM) and not one of you raises any objection to it.

"I do support positive action over time to change things but it will take a hell of a time and that's OK." --OK for whom, Ozzy?

"I won't get on my knee for people who want to destroy our economy, our society and our justice system. " No one has asked you to. Harboring paranoid fantasies, are you, that Black people are out to oppress you? Also, who is included in the "our" you refer to here, Ozzy? If you regard Black people as proper and full members of our society, why wouldn't you say "their" economy, "their" society, "their" justice system? Why do you posit them as some entirely external force attacking you and what is yours?

You are a bigot. You just don't have the courage to admit it.

Race has absolutely nothing to do with DNA, by the way. It was invented by Europeans (in the late 15th century, coinciding with their "discovery" of the Americas by Europeans--long before the discovery of DNA) in order to justify their enslavement and exploitation of peoples they could then regard as members of different and subordinate categories--categories that they put them in. There is zero biological basis for those divisions. Their effects--differential levels of wealth. access to educational and other resources, varying racialized identities, etc. --are not in any way the product of biology, but of over 500 years of their use as an organizing principle in European societies and the societies produced by their colonial conquests (e.g. the US).

Lastly, it's very clear that you don't have the vaguest idea what Marxism is, and wouldn't know a Marxist if one bit you in the ass. George Soros? Not a Marxist! He is a Jew, though, which is surely what you meant anyway.

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Myvatn (IP Logged)
Date: 07 July, 2020 22:34

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On another topic.....
Alonso to Renault in 2021

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I think his ego is having the best of him. Next year with the same regulations Renault will not be in the position to be competitive for wins and in 2022 he will be 41 anyways. Unless they make a dominant car (and his teammate is average..) I don't see him becoming world champion again.

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
Date: 08 July, 2020 14:21

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Ozzy Osbone
There is no racism in me my friend. My objection is to the BLM movement and the simps, fools and cowards backing it up. It's disgusting. It's founded by a bunch of marxist loons, probably the same as Extinction and Occupy etc. with Soros money and that is my problem. I have already said that were I to have a DNA test I would likely come out darker than my skin tone. I really don't care. I understand Lewis' message. I see a paddock full of white men. The reasons are many and varied ad I get the frustration and I do support positive action over time to change things but it will take a hell of a time and that's OK. It will have to start at the education level which is currently run by marxist loons as well. I left the topic alone as Andrew Hooper suggested subtly that I did. Fair enough, not my site. But don't you dare brand me a racist just because I won't get on my knee for people who want to destroy our economy, our society and our justice system. Simply not going to happen and they simply won't succeed.

Thank you everyone here for making my point for me. Ozzy posts this racist (as well as anti-Semitic and probably a bit drunken) rant that definitely includes personal attacks (I am obviously a supporter of BLM) and not one of you raises any objection to it.

"I do support positive action over time to change things but it will take a hell of a time and that's OK." --OK for whom, Ozzy?

"I won't get on my knee for people who want to destroy our economy, our society and our justice system. " No one has asked you to. Harboring paranoid fantasies, are you, that Black people are out to oppress you? Also, who is included in the "our" you refer to here, Ozzy? If you regard Black people as proper and full members of our society, why wouldn't you say "their" economy, "their" society, "their" justice system? Why do you posit them as some entirely external force attacking you and what is yours?

You are a bigot. You just don't have the courage to admit it.

Race has absolutely nothing to do with DNA, by the way. It was invented by Europeans (in the late 15th century, coinciding with their "discovery" of the Americas by Europeans--long before the discovery of DNA) in order to justify their enslavement and exploitation of peoples they could then regard as members of different and subordinate categories--categories that they put them in. There is zero biological basis for those divisions. Their effects--differential levels of wealth. access to educational and other resources, varying racialized identities, etc. --are not in any way the product of biology, but of over 500 years of their use as an organizing principle in European societies and the societies produced by their colonial conquests (e.g. the US).

Lastly, it's very clear that you don't have the vaguest idea what Marxism is, and wouldn't know a Marxist if one bit you in the ass. George Soros? Not a Marxist! He is a Jew, though, which is surely what you meant anyway.

Nope, I'm not a bigot, a racist, an anti-semite at all and you are the one who has no idea. Simple fact. I have a degree in history so yeah, I do understand a few things. But anyway, you carry on tearing down our (ie. all of us regardless of anything) country. Just when we need it most, in the middle of a pandemic. BLM is a joke. ALL lives matter and yes, the F1 paddock should look different and I'm sure it will in time. I'm sure there is no inherent racism in the hiring process. What we need to look at is why there are less 'non-white' people either applying for jobs in F1 or having the qualifications to do so. That is the point. If I'm this racist bigot you talk of, why am I a massive fan of Lewis? How does that work. I always have been. I started reading about him the back pages of Autosport on my lunch break I would guess around the early 90s, not sure and yes, the reason he stood out, aside from his excellent karting achievements was the colour of his skin. I rooted for him all the way through and that GP2 season was the best ever. I'm not a racist, I don't have a single thing against Jewish people so go take your nonsense, stick it where the sun don't shine and stop destroying our country.

Edit, I'm saying nothing more on this topic. Carry on if you want to and consider yourself the winner of this discussion. I have already been reminded this is an F1 forum.



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Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: sennaspeed (IP Logged)
Date: 08 July, 2020 17:17

Good job we don't have the Merc gearbox! winking smiley

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Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: jonnybario (IP Logged)
Date: 08 July, 2020 18:02

Fernando going to Renault...

Williams drop Mercedes or 2022 - Racing Point \ Aston are the B Team, we're clearly out of favour (Rokit). We go to to Renault for 2022 as effectively their B Team, where they can place their favoured Academy Drivers. We get Zhou for 2022 as Russell goes to Mercedes. Any takers for this scenario?

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: rpaloschi (IP Logged)
Date: 08 July, 2020 19:11

Seems likely... i thought that williams had a contract with Merc until 23, though.

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
Date: 08 July, 2020 20:13

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Fernando going to Renault...
Williams drop Mercedes or 2022 - Racing Point \ Aston are the B Team, we're clearly out of favour (Rokit). We go to to Renault for 2022 as effectively their B Team, where they can place their favoured Academy Drivers. We get Zhou for 2022 as Russell goes to Mercedes. Any takers for this scenario?

That would sit well with me. The lad is a proper street fighter. Drives like Mansell.

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Mehryar (IP Logged)
Date: 08 July, 2020 20:38

Best of news to hear Fernando's back, though when you think he's going to work for Cyril, you get the impression it's another bad choice but imo he's back to show his worth again and open up his chances of a better seat in 2022.

For me, the guy is the best of last 2 decades.



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Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 08 July, 2020 21:09

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Fernando going to Renault...
Williams drop Mercedes or 2022 - Racing Point \ Aston are the B Team, we're clearly out of favour (Rokit). We go to to Renault for 2022 as effectively their B Team, where they can place their favoured Academy Drivers. We get Zhou for 2022 as Russell goes to Mercedes. Any takers for this scenario?
It's so sad that anyone here even considers becoming the B Team of a team whose last podium in F1 was several years ago (more time ago than Williams' last podium!) as a viable option for Williams.

Sad times.

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
Date: 10 July, 2020 15:22

I'm not sure engines are going to be a huge factor under the new rules. It's got to be getting to a point where they are all on par. I'd rather stick with Merc if possible but we might get a sweeter deal from Renault. Also with Merc, we are looking at being the 4th team fairly soon.

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: SehnKhan (IP Logged)
Date: 11 July, 2020 07:04

Some interesting tech talk about the direction Williams has been taking with development, and the changes occurring within the week between races:

[youtu.be]

Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: dot_com (IP Logged)
Date: 11 July, 2020 12:53

GR mentioned that he was thankful to have back to back races at this track, as it gave Williams a chance to try something “drastic”. Any thoughts on what that might be? Maybe they went really aggressive in one direction on set up.

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Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: Mikef1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11 July, 2020 14:00

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GR mentioned that he was thankful to have back to back races at this track, as it gave Williams a chance to try something “drastic”. Any thoughts on what that might be? Maybe they went really aggressive in one direction on set up.
[www.williamsf1.com]

That's all it will be. Changes in the way they run their strategies or how their car is setup

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