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Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Fiver (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2020 22:38

I think the key thing at the top level is the fine margins. If you're 1% off then you will probably lose. Today, we had too many moments when we dropped that 1%.

We did play some good stuff, but moments lose you the game. I won't single out any particular players.

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2020 23:03

Quote:
Underdog
Some of you are working very hard to turn that into a disaster. The performance was nowhere near as bad as is being made out. I'm sure there would have been criticism, but I doubt it would have been as vociferous had that last kick drifted the right side of the post.
JP - pray tell who are the five Bath players who are better or more important than Louw, Faletau, Obano, Priestland etc?

Bath had a decent team out today, most of our first choices or close. Watson, Joe C and Stuart would definitely be in, Underhill and JJ possibly, but doubt it would have made any difference today it was a lottery in those conditions. Not a day to dwell on for either team in terms of play or tactics IMO, like the Calcutta cup game.



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Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Old Col (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2020 23:04

What a destructive posting---were you actually at the game Trent Blue ? our scrum more than held its own and the defence was awesome at times.Was there any creative play from Bath-no,they were stifled by us.We had the only outstanding handling and creative moments .Hougard is nearly back to his best,Mama was outstanding .We lost only because of 3 daft late penalties in succession but pulverised their scrum on the last set piece. O.K. so we lost by one point ,but for now that does not matter as we have seen the first outings for some time among our senior players and a sight of new talent playing with absolute determination . That is building .Sometimes the better team does lose but that is no reason to abuse it .So what if Bath had players unavailable-have you seen our injury list ?

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: TRIXTA (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 07:20

I agree with you Old Col - that was a game we could, and perhaps should, have won. Likewise the Wasps game. If (and I realise it's a big if) we had won both of those, we would now be 5th in the table and pushing for a top 4 place. As has been said, fine margins. I went yesterday expecting a heavy defeat and came away disappointed at the defeat but pleasantly surprised by our performance. If only that last kick...…
Also, I cannot understand the constant criticism by some of Chris Pennel. In my opinion, he is easily our best full back and yesterday, apart from one occasion when he was caught in two minds (understandable from where I was sitting),he was faultless under the high ball.
If only that last kick.....

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Offa (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 09:02

We were comfortably the better team in the first half, whilst playing into the wind. Our attack looked better than it has for ages, despite conditions which were atrocious.
We lost because nobody wanted to catch the ball, and every time it bounced Bath popped up withit and made good ground. Also Bath were more composed in the last 10 mins. Mercer was terrific for his first game back.
A very enjoyable game. I am encouraged. I think that we are slowly improving. A new coaching team next season could be good or take time to bed in.

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Whispering_Death (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 09:31

We have now lost three of our six prem home games. In the three we won we laboured to a win against 14 man Sale (if I remember rightly they were down to 13 for a period) and again laboured to a win against LI in a horrible game. We played well against Exeter, that’s it. This team has not improved for a long time now. The squad of players we have is so much better than we are showing. Why are we incapable, year after year, coach after coach, players after players, of playing to our ability, playing consistently well, and developing our skills and getting better. How on Earth can a prem player let the ball go straight through his hands under no pressure in the first play of the game. Bath scored in the first few mins of each half, you just cannot afford that. Why are we still standing there watching the opposition take the high ball and retain possession under no pressure. Why, with the wind much stronger in the second half were we not able to play and dominate territory. Nothing changes and therefore we find ourselves in the same old place, in big trouble had it not been for Saracens.

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 09:33

Our biggest problem is scoring points!

Our defence is not good but it is not massively worse than any of the teams from 4th down. Out attack on the other hand is considerably worse than any other team in the league.

Yet last Season we were at times rampant, what has happened and it isn’t just the Loss of Adams and Heem.

JP



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Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Simba (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 09:52

Well the points difference says that our defence is the worst

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: kiddykid (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 10:15

Much of our problem was down to poor decision making and this was illustrated very well when we kicked for goal and not for position (kicking from a long way out was very risky) , watching bouncing balls and not ‘owning ‘ the situation. SvB for the last kick? Seeing him play for the Cavs......yes. He has one hell of a boot on him - perhaps seniority came into play or perhaps on debut day he was not up for it.
Taking the positives..........Nick David did well, SvB was sound, and Ollie showed again that he needs game time. Ted was very reliable and our opening front row were solid.
We will all be back for the Saints game I’m sure - and that won’t be easy.

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Fiver (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 10:23

Something I've noticed in the last two games is that we haven't got a specialist at the breakdown. Wasps have Willis, Bath have Lowe (and Underhill), Sale have the Curry twins etc....

We haven't got that player who positions himself in the channel with the primary goal of getting over the ball and stealing it. Lowe was a constant menace yesterday, as was Willis in our last game.

Is this something you can coach, or do you have to rely on natural talent?

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: kiddykid (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 11:04

Another thing...........I think this is the fourth home
Game this season when we have started the second half In the lead, but then gone on to lose.
Are we not strong enough mentally, or is it a physical fitness issue?

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 11:36

The points difference doesn't say our defence is bad it say our attack is shocking

JP

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 11:44

Quote:
Fiver
Something I've noticed in the last two games is that we haven't got a specialist at the breakdown. Wasps have Willis, Bath have Lowe (and Underhill), Sale have the Curry twins etc....
We haven't got that player who positions himself in the channel with the primary goal of getting over the ball and stealing it. Lowe was a constant menace yesterday, as was Willis in our last game.

Is this something you can coach, or do you have to rely on natural talent?
IF the rumours are true Kvesic can be the specialist @ the breakdown.


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Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 12:45

So who do we drop out of Lewis, Hill or du Preez so he gets a start.

JP

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Simba (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 12:47

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Faithful_City
The points difference doesn't say our defence is bad it say our attack is shocking
JP

As long as you concede considerably more points than you score then the defence is the problem.
No point scoring 50 points to let the opponent score 65 is there.

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 12:51

If we had scored just the average points per game we would probably won 2 more games and have a much smaller points diff.

JP

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Fiver (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 13:10

For me, the key is to make sure you win your home games, not just to compete in the league, but also to drive revenue for attendances.

We've lost three home Premiership games so far, this is not acceptable, especially when we know we have players good enough to win these games.

You can blame the weather for a certain amount, the rest of it leaves me slightly confused. Are we suffering from a coaching issue, or is there some sort of motivation issue. I'm sure the players would not agree with me, but I've played enough sport in my life to know there were times when I thought the effort level was high, only to realise later on it wasn't.

I'm worried we haven't got enough players with something to aim for. Ted was a man possessed yesterday, but then he's got Eddie telling him to do this and that. Cornell, Duncan and possibly Sharky the same. Ollie was excellent and Nick David had something to prove. Bath's first try was set up by Obano bursting through a weak attempted tackle by a big lock, only to be dragged down by our smallest player (excellent technique by Nick sweeping all the way across from his wing).

We're safe from relegation, which makes me wonder what exactly motivates most of our team. I'm not saying the whole game was played at a poor level, but you need to be at 100% for 100% of the time. We had too many moments of "someone else will do this", exactly the same as the Wasps game.

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 13:40

It was Moulds who missed the tackle

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: Fiver (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 13:51

Just watched it again and stand corrected, it was indeed Moulds.

Re: We are so bad
Posted by: WarwickEastie (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2020 09:04

We should be winning home fixtures against mid table opposition.

I don't think we took advantage of the wind in the second half to pin down Bath in their own half and we relieved the pressure constantly by giving away stupid and sloppy penalties. Indiscipline is costing us hugely at the moment.

One more thing - we saw how the ball hung in the wind when put high in the air from the north stand end, so why on earth did our full back and wing stand so far back when getting ready to receive high kicks from the Bath scrum half? We lost several including balls that simply bounced in no-man's land. This stuff is about using your rugby brain rather than just doing what you are told on the training ground......

Not good enough in my opinion.
WE

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