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Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: stek26 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 09:57

There are 5 league games between now and New Year’s Day, (Lincoln, Wimbledon, Burton, Blackpool, Coventry).

Who predicts we will pull away from the bottom 3 or be firmly rooted in the relegation zone?

I will go for routed in the bottom 3, as I see MK Dons improving and with our poor form at home, in particular failing to take 3 points against teams in & around us!

Come Jan, we can refer back to this thread and call each other out on our prediction and how we see the team moving forward/backward.

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Fiftyyearsarover (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 10:21

Firmly in the bottom 3 for sure we might get something off Wimbledon ,our saviour has always been our home form but not this year ,unless something drastic happens we will go down which is a shame but we all knew it would be tough .a bridge to far I suspect

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: DevonExile (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 11:13

I tend to the gloom side but although I expected and continue to expect a tough season there is no particular reason to assume that we would be relegated especially in a season where one time starts well behind others and one less team will go down. We had enough-out of contract at the end of last season to reshape the side. Two or three inew players in Jan could make a Hugh difference. For the moment the priority is to keep pace with those around us



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Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Temple Road (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 11:15

I think the team is getting better but we have had a lot of injuries . If we can get a few more points out of the next couple of games, we should be fine and we all expect MM to bring in some new blood in the January window.We all knew it was going to be a tough season, but that's what it means to be a Tranmere fan.

Keep the Faith

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: BELMONT (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 12:17

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DevonExile
I tend to the gloom side but although I expected and continue to expect a tough season there is no particular reason to assume that we would be relegated especially in a season where one time starts well behind others and one less team will go down. We had enough-out of contract at the end of last season to reshape the side. Two or three inew players in Jan could make a Hugh difference. For the moment the priority is to keep pace with those around us

Who's Hugh new C/B or midfield play maker?(Sm6)

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Tranmere69 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 13:53

Hoping we pull away from the bottom 3 but probably not until we have new signings and fewer injuries. SWA

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: paulbyron (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 16:49

horrible feeling we won,t survive micky has got us out of the mire before but don,t even when the injured players are back can I see us being good enough, we have not played well for weeks yet you can name the same old faces each week hope I,m proved wrong though

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Bored rover (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 16:54

As it stands we are out of the bottom 3 only on goal difference. We have had a nice run of games mainly against clubs around us whilst the others had tough games against high fliers. Thus making it our opportunity to pull away and make ourselves safe. We haven't done that, without significant investment in the squad in January we will go down for sure.

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: goosed (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 17:02

Doom as we just are not good enough ....we need a better squad which we cant afford

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Bored rover (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 17:09

Big gap opened up now between our little bunch and the rest couple of games ago we were only a win off midtable, its 3 wins away now

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: stek26 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 17:54

I was still optimistic up until end of November time and not panicking.....
Now I am, we have got the majority of the squad fit now and they have had a decent run off games but we are still not performing.
People keep saying when we get our fit players back wel do ok, the only first team we currently out injured is Banks, who would be my first choice CM. But the rest won’t add anything and that includes Ellis, being out for so long I don’t think hel come back in and manage 2 games a week, and that if he comes back soon.
As eluded to, I don’t think we have the money but we need to improve the squad.
Especially in the middle of the park a 37, 36 ,34 year cannot play this amount of games at that intensity.
Experienced CB priority & energy in midfield to fix our spine.
Usually in January at this level, better players are available for loan as they haven’t had enough playing time and are happy to go out on loan and clubs will want to improve their own squads pushing fringe players further down.



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Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Elvis (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 19:53

In answering the thread's title, I'd likely opt for an interim of 'gloom' - the upside being, "Where there is faith there is light and strength" ruling out very firmly any question of 'doom'



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Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Matt34 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 20:18

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Bored rover
without significant investment in the squad in January we will go down for sure.

Whilst relegation remains a possibility, investment has been secured to some extent already, but not in time to spend during the summer, however there could or potentially should be room to increase the wages of any incoming players and with money freed up from Maddox's exit it will remain to be seen who comes in if anyone does and what impact they make on outfield performances



Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Bored rover (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 20:40

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Matt34
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Bored rover
without significant investment in the squad in January we will go down for sure.

Whilst relegation remains a possibility, investment has been secured to some extent already, but not in time to spend during the summer, however there could or potentially should be room to increase the wages of any incoming players and with money freed up from Maddox's exit it will remain to be seen who comes in if anyone does and what impact they make on outfield performances

I dont mean investment in terms of extra funds, I mean treating the acquisition of players in the same way as the acquisition of an investment and acquiring a player because they will add something to the side and suit the style of play. As opposed to our current view of betting on players who may get fit, stay fit, come good, be a prospect or could be better because they once played for a good club or scored a screamer and then on top of that bash their square heads into round holes.

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: ADD (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 00:14

Doom for sure - we simply aren't good enough. January investments will be critical but even then that may not be enough as everybody will look to bolster their squad... plus let's be honest MM's decision making is starting to baffle me.... he is clearly feeling the pressure and seems unsure how to turn this around...

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Zint (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 08:24

It’s neither doom nor gloom just the reality of the position we are in. We missed Ferrier yesterday.

The time for doom and gloom is towards mid March, if we are then adrift. That doesn’t mean I am complacent, unconcerned or delusional. There is still time to climb to safety starting with the game next Saturday.

Keep the faith.

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: aktrfc (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 08:34

So when MP said a couple of months ago, we were the envy of many clubs thanks to the very large investment from Indonesia. What has happened to that money? Not a penny has been spent on the team, nothing on the ground. When will we be a football club again and not an education centre. For me, it’s now all about making money and not the club. These are sad time yet again.

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Fiftyyearsarover (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 12:49

What about all the China ,Mongolian connection ,not sure if the Indonesian money is connected ,but no sign of a young Son (spurs ) coming through any time soon ,is it worth the hassle ,if money comes from it that’s good ,but it seems very quiet on that front ,I don’t doubt MP knows what he is doing , but flogging a dead horse ?

Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Jack of all Trades (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 13:53

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aktrfc
So when MP said a couple of months ago, we were the envy of many clubs thanks to the very large investment from Indonesia. What has happened to that money? Not a penny has been spent on the team, nothing on the ground. When will we be a football club again and not an education centre. For me, it’s now all about making money and not the club. These are sad time yet again.

I think you are confusing making money with being self sufficient and maximizing all available money streams, revenue from football only isn't enough any more.

From memory, wasn't it stated the Indonesian money would be used to lower the overall debt, new 3G pitch at solar campus (another financial stream) and possible additional playing budget (unfortunately the investment was finalized after the transfer window closed).

If these are sad times, what may I ask were the periods before PJ took over and our fall into Non League?

No one can deny on the playing side we are struggling, on the financial side we are at least keeping our heads above water, unlike various clubs not too many miles from here.



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Re: Doom or Gloom?
Posted by: Bored rover (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 14:47

3g pitch isn't going to affect things on the pitch. Theres no issue with having debt its when that debt is uncontrollable. Its no good having a self sufficient business if whats at the core isn’t functioning otherwise very shortly it wont be a self sufficient business. Its a fine line and Im not 100% sure the owners are the correct side of it at the moment.

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