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Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 21 June, 2018 22:06

Entirely agree

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: Banstead Quin (IP Logged)
Date: 22 June, 2018 06:19

I think it’s all about giving Young’s game time after his injury but it just highlights the flaws in his game even more. So slow and so safety first. De Klerk has been all over him and he doesn’t know how to respond.

The reason Care is treated differently is the old ‘cometh the hour’ syndrome. He is such a good player and if he doesn’t do it every game, he’s a let down so gets negative press. Watch them slaughter Cipriani if he has a quiet game tomorrow rather than asking how a maverick, creative fly half looks as average as Ford does in this England setup. Coincidence?

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 22 June, 2018 12:28

If Cips plays all game...and the bench suggests he should, then getting Spencer on at some point might be revealing.
Having said that, Youngs was pretty quick with the pass last week, certainly for the majority of the first half. His default step was absent then...but why are we still trying to eradicate this with a 70 odd cap SH...?
I agree Care gets treated more harshly Imo but tbh, neither of them have had great games of late but you always look to Care to make the difference..

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: Dibden (IP Logged)
Date: 22 June, 2018 16:34

I note Eddie has got the JK disease.”A great week’s training “
Not trying Wilson Robson and persisting with Brown on the wing and Daly at 15 seems utterly pointless.All the boys want is to
get on the plane and get home so a win against a confident Bok side seems pretty unlikely to me

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: Banstead Quin (IP Logged)
Date: 22 June, 2018 16:48

Ironically, Brown has probably been probably our best player on this tour. Made a couple of errors but who hasn’t out there?

Sorry not getting the Johnny May thing at all. Yes he’s scored a couple but not in the game enough for me. I’d like to see 5 or 6 good runs every game and really stretching opposition defences similar to (and I hate to say it) Chris Ashton. Tim Visser always looks involved in games even if he’s not scoring and I don’t see that with May. That’s just an example that we may all understand not comparing the two and I know Visser is Scottish!

Farrell said in the press conference that they want Cipriani to play his natural game....yeah right Fazza!



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Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: QuinAlan (IP Logged)
Date: 22 June, 2018 19:05

we just need to get out of there! Has anyone actually enhanced their reputation on this tour? Johnny May perhaps. Performance & selection have been way off. Such a great opportunity to try new blood & we have plenty of it. Had we selected an inexperienced team & lost 3-0 at least you can see how new players react to international away pressure. Jones is losing a lot of support I feel. Too many picked on reputation & not form. Hope Cipriani goes well today, that guy has worked so hard to get another chance!



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Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2018 09:35

I am a Cips fan and do agree he has worked hard. It is good that rugby fans can call good form on a player and want to see them in an England team regardless of which club they are from. I think this is why Jones has lost a lot of support...and a quick canvas across these boards bares that out, imo. Rugby fans aren't seeing the right picks.... And these mostly aren't partisan pucks, they are from people who see the form players week in and week out. It makes you wonder what Jones' thinking is because he is at odds with so many. Ex players, fans, media...

I think the biggest criticism is that he has ignored form players but stuck with out of form perceived favourites.
Brown isnt a winger, many agree, but he is still our best fullback and it isn't his fault that the likes of Watson and Daly have not been able to claim his shirt, so he is mostly exempt from anyone not wanting him in the final 23.

I do think Robson deserved a game and I would have picked him along with Spencer for today's game.
Youngs hasn't deserved to start all three, Imo, especially in today's dead rubber.

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2018 10:09

Quote:
Has anyone actually enhanced their reputation on this tour?

Tom Curry. Probably just him and May then.

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2018 10:21

Curry has been out of his depth for me. Put in a good shift in the first test, bit he made 3 runs for no metres and missed 4 tackles last time. If robshaw had put in that performance at 7 there would be he'll to pay. Not sure why he's getting plaudits. Sure he's young, but he's been massively innefective in a back row which has been completely outplayed. Same with shields - more carrying threat (but not a great deal) and 4 tackles?! Along with getting absolutely smashed back rather embarrassingly.

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: Yareet (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2018 10:42

Quote:
John Tee
Brown isnt a winger, many agree, but he is still our best fullback and it isn't his fault that the likes of Watson and Daly have not been able to claim his shirt, so he is mostly exempt from anyone not wanting him in the final 23.

Agreed that Brown is atm the first choice 15. So who’s number 2? First game of Japan 2019, Brown gets a concussion that takes him out for 3 weeks. Is Eddie supposed to then work it out? Or should he try Daly now in what are (in the greater scheme of things) friendlies?

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2018 11:17

I can actually see the sense of Daly being shepherded by Brown in this series so I think Brown has been worthy of his wing spot... for that reason. Ok, we lost the series, but I don't think the reason lies there
I think you can't moan at Jones for that one...it has largely worked and is recognition that Brown needs cover. If Watson or Nowell had made the tour, maybe you wouldnt need Brown on the wing but that choice wasnt available.

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: Jammy Git (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2018 12:06

Daly's been really poor as a 15 so that simply hasn't worked.

On Johnny May, I'd say he's been more involved this tour than ever before. He's done a lot of good work in midfield.



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2018 21:46

Quote:
John Tee
I can actually see the sense of Daly being shepherded by Brown in this series so I think Brown has been worthy of his wing spot... for that reason. Ok, we lost the series, but I don't think the reason lies there
I think you can't moan at Jones for that one...it has largely worked and is recognition that Brown needs cover. If Watson or Nowell had made the tour, maybe you wouldnt need Brown on the wing but that choice wasnt available.

Could have tried Woodward

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
Date: 24 June, 2018 17:09

Funny how when brown was making 75 metres every game they weren't just 'free' yards running it back from fullback. Saved a couple of tries with excellent defensive decisions too - he's not quick enough for the wing but he makes up for it to an extent in his positioning.

Where the hell were Youngs and Daly for the SA try? Care and brown would have been sweeping.

Re: Team For the 3rd Test
Posted by: DOK. (IP Logged)
Date: 27 June, 2018 14:18

Please don't post any more on this subject on this message board. Please move across to the new ComeAllWithin Forum and share your views and opinions there.

Many thanks, DOK

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