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Re: News and Stuff!
Posted by: shriekback
Date: 02/07/2020 00:31
Good morning,
Yes, why not?

1) Bernie does believe it but it isn't true, okay he is wrong and there is an opportunity for education but why shouldn't he say it?

That it's wrong is not a good enough reason to not say it?! What is then? Seriously, your question makes no sense at all. Besides, couldn't one regard the condemnation he is receiving from the likes of Lewis Hamilton as something of the education you are calling for? So then what are you even arguing for?

2) Bernie does believe it and it is true, the elephant in the room. This idea isn't "allowed" to be even mentioned because it undermines the narrative that EVERYTHING that happens to a group isn't in anyway a consequence of their own actions.

This simply shows that you have no understanding of what racism--of the kind that is being widely protested around the world right now--even is. If you have the bankrupt (and I should note, very convenient) idea that it is merely a matter of private opinion regarding people of other races, and has nothing to do with structures of power and how they shape the lives of all of us, then I suppose it is thinkable that black people could hold such opinions in higher proportion than people of other races. That is NOT what racism is, however, or at least that is FAR from all that it is.

It is also only intellectual laziness, or plain disingenuousness, that would allow you to suggest that any recognition of the fact that there are large forces at work on all of us (the operation of institutions, for instance) that have a lot to do with the course of our lives requires that one also believe that "EVERYTHING that happens to a group isn't in anyway a consequence of their own actions.". The claim is complete nonsense in any case. I would be remiss point out, however, that it is very typical for racists to think in terms of assigning fault to groups (i.e. whole races) for their actions. Do you seriously think Black people around the world (or White people, for that matter) "act" deliberately as a group? How do they coordinate such complex action? By what mechanisms? Is there no dissent among those billions? Am I then the only one being left out of these group deliberations? No is one is asking me, after all, what actions my race should take.

No wonder you are defending Bernie here. It seems that you rather think like him.

A3) Bernie doesn't believe it and it is a publicity stunt, okay then its bad.

So then he shouldn't have said it? So you agree that one should not say some "bad" things? Isn't the idea that Bernie, in all honesty, denied that he, as dictator of F1--a global operation--for decades, failed to take any action at all to counter how that operation participated in institutional racism, then denied that there was even a problem to address, and then blamed the victims of that non-existing problem for it anyway, more "bad" than the idea that he made these claims merely as part of a disingenuous publicity stunt? Who is accusing him of the latter anyway? This seems like another deliberate red herring.

4) Or another reason?
Why are you so sure that he is wrong, do you believe that all groups of people are equally racist or that some group are better than others and are less racist?

But isn't this the idea that you don't like, surely if you believe that one group of people is better than another then.....

Here we go again with the "groups" nonsense.

Seriously Ian. Both you and Bernie Ecclestone need to educate yourselves. If you don't think that developing a more nuanced and responsible understanding of matters of global justice are worthy of such an effort, then you might at least keep your uninformed views to yourself. They aren't worth broadcasting and only contribute to the problem (assuming that was not your actual purpose here).




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