OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH


Dunn: England hopes?
By PG Tips
August 18 2020

Bath will encounter a familiar old beast armed with new claws when they visit Leicester on Saturday. Despite faring the better of the two fallen giants in recent years they can no longer count on Tigers under new head Coach Steve Borthwick floundering as they did last season. In addition, referees are encouraged to pounce ruthlessly on breakdown offences, so there are several new challenges to adjust to. One old certainty will remain though: the tie is bound to be contested tooth and claw.  

The great rivalry of two and three decades ago no longer decides the Premiership title, but still carries huge significance for both clubs. This is a game full of sub plots. Each team is coached by a graduate of Eddie Jones’ World Cup coaching team, who will know each other’s strengths and weaknesses inside out. Tigers are piloted by George Ford, once a crowd favourite at the Rec, while Bath welcome back Will Spencer from his Midlands exile. Meanwhile, with a heavy Autumn International schedule looming and player welfare an issue that will not go away, there are opportunities for players on both teams to impress Jones and force their way into the England squad. Last week Bath enjoyed a comfortable, but restrained bonus points win over London Irish, while Tigers showed considerable steel and defiance in defeat at Sandy Park. Who then will take the morale boosting win?

 

Some of the hosts’ big beasts will be well known, particularly up front where Genge, Youngs and Cole should form a potent front row. At Exeter they were pushed on by Lavanini and Green, while Harry Wells joined Reffell and Taufua in the back row. Borthwick may want to build on the stability of this line-up although he may consider tweaking the loose forwards to start either Wallace or Liebenberg. England half backs Youngs and Ford will be a constant threat, hoping to release Olowofela and Worth in the wide channels. It would seem a gamble though for Borthwick to start new signing Nandolo as his latest interview suggests the star signing is not yet ready. Matt Scott showed last week that he could provide Leicester’s midfield thrust and stability -or will Harry Potter get a chance to try out some magic? Whatever the team sheet there will be interest in the impact -or lack of it- of the Welford Road factor. How will a newly constructed squad gel and perform without the frenzied fervour of the faithful?

 

Bath’s tight five dominance over Irish suggests they are well equipped for the forward battle, though they cannot expect the heavy supremacy they enjoyed for periods in that match – especially at the lineout, Borthwick’s key area of expertise. To win away in this tigers’ den they will need their back row to be at their best, suggesting a place in the 23 for the physical attributes of Tom Ellis. It is behind the scrum though where the biggest improvement will be needed: if the forward battle is close, a little midfield magic or counter attacking adventure from the back three could prove the match winner. While Bath’s midfield was mostly muted against Irish, there was promising sharpness from McConnochie and Watson while Rokodoguni has clearly rediscovered his zip and appetite. The key man once again though could be Ben Spencer, not just for his box kicking and speed of pass. Some of Bath’s most threatening moments came when he and McConnochie attacked the blindside. If Bath are to win away at Welford for the 4th time running, I expect more of the same will be needed.

 

Borthwick is realistic in stating that Leicester have ground to make up and emphasising that  first and foremost he is looking for effort from his players. He will have them metaphorically fed on red meat this week. Stuart Hooper is also likely to want his forwards mean and backs hungry.  The result may therefore come down to which team proves the more  predatory on the day. Against Leicester’s perceived home advantage, Bath can claim the motivation of superior league position and recent results. Dunn, Ewels and Mercer, all rivals to Spencer for last week’s Man of the Match, all have a chance to press their England credentials. Rokodoguni and McConnochie will also want to remind Eddie what they can do. Tigers may have renewed and sharpened their claws, but Bath can win this. To do so they must summon up roar, bite and ferocity of their own.

 

 

 

Possible Teams

Bath: Obano, Dunn, Stuart, Ewels (Capt.), McNally, Ellis, Underhill, Faletau. B Spencer, Priestland. Cokanasiga, Redpath, Joseph, Rokodoguni. Watson.

Replacements: Boyce, Walker, Thomas, W Spencer, Mercer. Chudley, De Glanville. Matavesi

 

Leicester Tigers:

Genge, T Youngs (Capt), Cole; Lavanini, Green, Liebenberg, Wallace, Taufua. Youngs, Ford. Olowofela, Scott, Taute, Williams. Worth

Replacements: Kerr, Leatigaga, Heyes, Wells, Reffell. Smith, White, Potter.

 

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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 09:42

'Rokodoguni and McConnochie will also want to remind Eddie what they can do' .... they'll have to remind Hooper what they can do first.

If the two teams were to swap fly-halfs, I would put my house on us winning with a bonus point. As it is, our sole area of outright supremacy over LI - the lineout+maul - comes up against the country's best lineout strategist.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 09:53

Weather in Leicester looking OK for the weekend as it stands.

Can the match proceed if there is a lockdown in Leicester on 22nd? Or would it be played elsewhere? As they can actually field a team I assume that the 20-0 wouldn't apply?



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 09:56

Quote:
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Weather in Leicester looking OK for the weekend as it stands.
Can the match proceed if there is a lockdown in Leicester on 22nd? Or would it be played elsewhere? As they can actually field a team I assume that the 20-0 wouldn't apply?

Is the 20-0 four unconverted tries Matt?



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 10:03

Quote:
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Quote:
BathMatt53
Weather in Leicester looking OK for the weekend as it stands.
Can the match proceed if there is a lockdown in Leicester on 22nd? Or would it be played elsewhere? As they can actually field a team I assume that the 20-0 wouldn't apply?

Is the 20-0 four unconverted tries Matt?

No idea SW, just said 20-0 but doesn't say whether 4 or 5 points are awarded.

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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 10:07

Quote:
Optimist
If the two teams were to swap fly-halfs, I would put my house on us winning with a bonus point.

I wonder if Ford will play, Tigers have Bath H (Sat), LI H(Wed) Glos A (Sun). I guess he will be rested against Irish.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 10:23

I would pick our two ex Tigers, Spencer for McNally & Williams for Ellis, in the starting pack, they shouldn't be short on motivation for this one. I would give McNally a rest, Stooke in the replacements and put Ellis on the bench instead of Mercer. I would like to see our big forwards running at GF early in the game to ruffle his feathers and hopefully knock him out of his stride. The big question is what happens at 10 if RP has a stinker or gets injured? Genuine question, has Ben Spencer ever played 10?



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 10:27

I was about to write that their options at 10 are much like ours, but on closer inspection they actually have a fairly perfect 'stable' there: Zack Henry, Tom Hardwick (21-year old, lots of England U20 caps) and Jonny McPhillips (20+ appearances for Ulster) as back-up.

Resting Ford from LI game makes 100% sense.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 10:27

All good ideas there Clarkey!

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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 10:34

Put Ellis on the bench instead of Bayliss. Keep Mercer in starting XV - he was good against LI. Start Stooke. If we can win the front-row battle, then I'd rather stick with a mobile back 5 to capitalise on that.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Osmium (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 11:25

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No idea SW, just said 20-0 but doesn't say whether 4 or 5 points are awarded.

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Is there any actual ruling in place on this? I haven't seen any announcement from PRL, only the beeb article, which seemed speculative.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 11:38

True - All the outlets reported it, but I can't see an actual announcement.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 13:13

Judging by JJs instagram account he won't be playing at the weekend. Cut over his eye that needs stiches - Beno has put a caption Obano 1, JJ 0!



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Tiger in the Bath (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 13:55

I think we are in for some surprises from both given the rotation required. Second guessing what they each have in mind for later fixtures, especially for players expected to play in the internationals, won't be easy.

I suspect Ford will start on Saturday but be replaced after about 60

And I don't think there were many, if any seasons where the Bath Tigers rivalry decided the Premiership title were there?

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 14:23

Quote:
Tiger in the Bath
And I don't think there were many, if any seasons where the Bath Tigers rivalry decided the Premiership title were there?

Strictly speaking no TitB but itsí predecessor, the league, began in 1988. Bath & Leicester were leading lights in the late 80s/early 90s.

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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 14:35

"Ford will start on Saturday but be replaced after about 60"

Shurely shome mishtake! George only comes off from 76' onwards.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Tiger in the Bath (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 14:48

Thanks PGT. I always find it interesting that Bath fans see Tigers as bigger historical rivals than the other way round. Tigers focus is definitely on Saints

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 15:15

In a derby sense it would obviously be Glos, but during our glory years they were seldom a rival for honours.

In the old cup the one final encounter between Bath & Glos was truly one sided.

PG

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: bardofavon (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 15:44

I see mike ford has wangled himself a role as defence coach this season. a promotion from last year. ford snr is following his tried and trusted process of first getting a foot in the door, then bumping those off in front of him one by one until he ends up in the top job. son George is of course collateral for all of this, and given George is pretty much holding tigers together at this point I can see ford snr making his move on borthwick's job sooner rather than later. poor old Steve. he deserves better.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 17:44

I don't think Steve B will let that happen!(Sm110)



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 18:50

If itís raining RP could have a stormer ! Bath by 5 .

Just trying to be positive, more likely Tigers by 12/15 (Sm128)



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2020 23:50

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If itís raining RP could have a stormer !

Without being funny, this. Rhys is an outstanding wet weather 10.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2020 07:04

Sirs:

Referee: Karl Dickson (27th Premiership game).
Assistant Referees: Anthony Woodthorpe & Hamish Smales.
TMO: David Grashoff.
Citing Officer: Tony Diprose.

Interesting to see how that goes - Dickson was one of the more pragmatic refs last weekend in the Saints vs Wasps game and I generally like him as a ref, I think because he has seen it all before so many times when people try to be tricksy or whine at him.

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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2020 08:31

Bookies forecasting a win for Bath, just... Oddschecker Tigers v Bath



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2020 08:35

Given the situation, no fans, player rotation, rusty match skills and fitness I would say that its the toss of a coin.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2020 09:00

Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
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If itís raining RP could have a stormer !

Without being funny, this. Rhys is an outstanding wet weather 10.

Looks like we might see some of that side of his game - Met Office data for Saturday



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2020 10:51

Thanks PG Tips, nice to read about rugby again. Bath were the top rival for a long time before Saints, then it was Wasps, but for fervour it is now Saints. Let's hope for a good game.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2020 12:29

This game is full of intrigue, plenty of tasty match ups and there is definitely some history here too. No idea on the outcome, might know more when we see the team sheets, but I was sort of pleased with the teams attitude at Sandy Park, the side looked more like a team than anything we fielded last year. We tried a group of talented individuals and it didn't work, now we are reverting back to our old strengths, Tigers fielded 10 players in last weeks squad that were home grown ex academy players, I hope see more of the hunger and bite we saw this coming weekend and hopefully a lot less penalties.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 09:29

Quote:
joethefanatic
Without being funny, this. Rhys is an outstanding wet weather 10.

He's a very good 'away' 10. Which may explain why our game plan is to play like an 'away' team whether we are at Sandy Park, or at the Rec vs a team we actually managed to beat by 30+ points away from home.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:02

Team's up:

BATH RUGBY SIDE TO FACE LEICESTER TIGERS
15. Anthony Watson, 14. Semesa Rokoduguni, 13. Jonathan Joseph, 12. Cameron Redpath, 11. Ruaridh McConnochie, 10. Rhys Priestland, 9. Ben Spencer; 1. Lewis Boyce, 2. Tom Dunn, 3. Will Stuart, 4. Josh McNally, 5. Charlie Ewels (C), 6. Tom Ellis, 7. Sam Underhill, 8. Taulupe Faletau

REPLACEMENTS
16. Jack Walker, 17. Beno Obano, 18. Christian Judge, 19. Elliott Stooke, 20. Josh Bayliss, 21. Will Chudley, 22. Josh Matavesi, 23. Tom de Glanville

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:04

And 13 changes for Tigers - no Ford! Wtaf ... is this a United game?

15 Zack Henry
14 Harry Potter
13 George Worth (vc)
12 Guy Porter
11 Harry Simmons
10 Johnny McPhillips
9 Ben White (c)

1 Nephi Leatigaga
2 Jake Kerr
3 Joe Heyes
4 TomŠs Lavanini
5 Blake Enever
6 George Martin
7 Luke Wallace (vc)
8 Thom Smith
Replacements

16 Charlie Clare
17 Ryan Bower
18 Dan Cole
19 Cameron Henderson
20 Jordan Coghlan
21 Jack Van Poortvliet
22 Tom Hardwick
23 Freddie Steward



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: 9215 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:10

Should be a big win with those team sheets!

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:14

Mind you they do have Harry Potter.....

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:14

No Zac Mercer, rested I assume.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:17

Best not lose with those lineups!!!

Getting back to the double axis with RP and CP at 10/12...



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:20

I thought that they would go hard at Bath and Glos and a midweek team vs Irish tbh, but not unhappy to see that they have rested a few. Bath team looks strong - happy to see Ellis back.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:21

Famous last words but we could have gone a lot weaker and still had a v good chance.

Wonder if a few of ours may drop out before tomorrow and make miraculous recoveries in time for weds.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:21

Decent weather forecast so no excuses for lack of attacking rugby from Bath.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:27

Quote:
charlieboa
Wonder if a few of ours may drop out before tomorrow and make miraculous recoveries in time for weds.

Not sure they need to - can still put out a strong side on Weds if needs be IMO, especially if a few of the subs come on fairly early.

I remember a Bath vs Tigers little cup game not too long ago when it was basically their u18s against a very strong side and it was pretty close - I'm not counting my chickens those Tigers kids will be super eager to impress. Just hoping that their 14 doesn't shout 'expelliarmus' too many times when we have the ball.

(edit - I just looked up some of their team, man alive some of them are young. Their no 6 is only just 19, big lad that he is).



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:37

Quote:
charlieboa
Famous last words but we could have gone a lot weaker and still had a v good chance.
Wonder if a few of ours may drop out before tomorrow and make miraculous recoveries in time for weds.

I'd rather say, 'thanks very much for the 5 points', and sacrifice the Saints game, where we would have been budgeting 1pt maximum in normal circumstances.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:45

If they want to qualify for the big European tournament next year then they need to be top 8. Having gambled and lost last week then looking at their fixtures then that means Irish & Gloucester are must win games.

They play those two straight after us so I guess they are resting this week to go all out for the next 2 weeks.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:50

Quote:
Never In Doubt
If they want to qualify for the big European tournament next year then they need to be top 8. Having gambled and lost last week then looking at their fixtures then that means Irish & Gloucester are must win games.
They play those two straight after us so I guess they are resting this week to go all out for the next 2 weeks.

Did they think that Glos away was an easier win than Bath at home? Seems odd to me given the timings, but so be it.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: mentallymadmax (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:55

Quote:
Never In Doubt
If they want to qualify for the big European tournament next year then they need to be top 8. Having gambled and lost last week then looking at their fixtures then that means Irish & Gloucester are must win games.
They play those two straight after us so I guess they are resting this week to go all out for the next 2 weeks.

Tigers aren't bothered where they finish this season. This is like an extended preseason for them. Rebuild from the ground up, and take a shot at the Challenge Cup in a few weeks.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 11:57

Quote:
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They play those two straight after us so I guess they are resting this week to go all out for the next 2 weeks.

Seems odd to hear the word resting after just I game back following months of .............. nothing!



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:09

Are you allowed to declare in rugby like you are in cricket? If this game isn't over by 40 minutes then Borthwick is a rugby genius to end all others.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:13

Quote:
OldMarovian
Are you allowed to declare in rugby like you are in cricket? If this game isn't over by 40 minutes then Borthwick is a rugby genius to end all others.

No - but it's quite a good temporary 'player welfare' idea - because there's going to be quite a few of these horrendous mismatches coming up - probably including us away to Saints next week.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:18

I've seen refs finish school games early for that reason usually just before three figures to nil to save humiliation.
Also seen a ref ask games teacher to sub a rather large U14 player at half time who was causing mayhem! Legal but just dangerous.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: FourSticks (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:21

Last time we played the Tigers 3rds, it didn't go exactly to script. Hopefully Hooper will remind the team of that match and try and avoid any complacency.

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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:22

Some of the comments on here are a bit overconfident I think...Bath have a stronger side out but nothing is a given. Skybet have put the spread up from a narrow win to 10 points after the teams have been announced but that's no pushover (as I expect a few of the tries will be).



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:24

Quote:
FourSticks
Last time we played the Tigers 3rds, it didn't go exactly to script. Hopefully Hooper will remind the team of that match and try and avoid any complacency.
Bath V Leicester 3rds LV Semi Final 9 March 2012. Final score Bath 16-17 Leicester

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That was the one I was referring to when I said 'not too long ago'...8 YEARS?! I would have guessed half that.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:26

With that Leicester side against our near full strength 23, nothing but a very convincing 5 point win will be acceptable IMV.

C'mon you Bath, you have a real chance to impose yourselves up front and really run them ragged in the backs. No excuses please.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:36

Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
Never In Doubt
If they want to qualify for the big European tournament next year then they need to be top 8. Having gambled and lost last week then looking at their fixtures then that means Irish & Gloucester are must win games.
They play those two straight after us so I guess they are resting this week to go all out for the next 2 weeks.

Did they think that Glos away was an easier win than Bath at home? Seems odd to me given the timings, but so be it.

I am not saying that but Gloucs are potentially easier to catch having 4 points less than us. I accept that it is marginal but with 8 games to go then we are 15 points ahead of Tigers so are hard to catch.

Either way, lets just hope we don't slip up.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:39

Quote:
Never In Doubt
Either way, lets just hope we don't slip up.

Agreed!



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 12:53

Amazed reading some of the comments on here, as if the last 5 or 10 years never happened.

Bath don't have a great record when our team is much stronger than the opposition on paper, especially against Tigers. Fingers crossed for a win.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: bardofavon (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 13:17

tigers and wuss are out of it so why not change your team and give the kids a go. get ready for next season. seems sensible to me.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 13:23

Quote:
bardofavon
tigers and wuss are out of it so why not change your team and give the kids a go. get ready for next season. seems sensible to me.

The argument against would be whether to give them all a go at the same time? Seems like a risk to change that many at once IMO, much as I would love to see 3 or 4 of our kids on the pitch.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Tiger in the Bath (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 13:41

I think its clear now that Borthwick is treating this as an extended pre season, and so having a look at the whole squad and spreading the game time and injury risk around. Several big signings in the backs aren't at the club yet and Nadolo isn't ready, so have a good long look at the youngsters. No international caps in tigers 9 to 15 - versus how many in the Bath backs and half backs?

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 13:45

It may be a shrewd move by Steve Borthwick. Young guns, not too well known outside Welford Road, with nothing to lose: go give it a lash lads and put pressure on the old guard. They could spring a surprise- we should be ruthless, not complacent.

They may not win but could put some wind in the clubís sails for the rest of the season.

PG

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Danchinho (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 13:56

If we donít assert dominance in the set piece the club needs to take a long hard look at itself.

Personally, I think we will and on the back of that we will get enough penalties to keep the game in their half. Expect Bathís backs to open up in the last quarter.

Wouldnít be surprised if Rhys scores a lot of points off kicks.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 14:18

That Tigers front 5 are no push overs, the game may be lost for us elsewhere, but I expect that pack to function well.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 15:17

Is that right then, they have Lady Gaga at loosehead prop? (Sm56)



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 15:23

Quote:
shipwrecked
Is that right then, they have Lady Gaga at loosehead prop? (Sm56)

I don't remember her weighing in at 23st 6lbs?



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 16:33

My Tigers mate suggesting massive embarassment for Bath if we don't win against this team; all the more reason to go hard and put the matter to bed after 20-25mins...



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 17:15

Quote:
Clarkey3k
My Tigers mate suggesting massive embarassment for Bath

Heíll be well used to massive embarrassment by now.

Quote:
all the more reason to go hard and put the matter to bed after 20-25mins...

Just without the usual... stop playing, sit back for an hour and invite them to run at us the rest of the game.

Letís have a rare 80 minute performance please Bath.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2020 19:31

Quote:
Clarkey3k
My Tigers mate suggesting massive embarassment for Bath

Really ? Itís never happened before (Sm100)

My adoptee young Redpath to score !



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Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies
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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 15:15

200 th Tigers v Bath game ? (Sm128)



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 15:18

COME ON YOU TIGERRRRRRRrrrssssssss

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 15:46

Not a good start 6 - 0 down , new haircuts !



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 15:51

Will Stuart scores from short range 6-7, still a lot of aimless kicking mainly from Rhys .



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:01

Try Tom Dunn!

Converted by RP

6 v 14

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:01

Another short range try from Tom Dunn 6-14 , would be nice to see some tries from the backs ?



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:04

R McC try!

6 v 19

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: BBWBaaBaa (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:04

Now that was a TRY!!!

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:05

Backs getting more involved now

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:05

RP misses conversion

6 v 19

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:06

Thatís more like it , good play for Mc. to score 6-19 .



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:11

Boyce try!

Bonus pointer

6 v 24

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:11

Converted

6 v 26

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:12

Boyce !! 6-26



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:12

A try each from the front row!

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:14

HT

6 v 26

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:15

Experience and class showing

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:16

Quote:
Mike the Taxi
A try each from the front row!

There must be a stat somewhere for that ?



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:22

Like the look of Cam Redpath at 12, hope we can do it agin in 2nd half. My bet to win has Tigers at a 14pt start...



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:27

Quote:
Clarkey3k
Like the look of Cam Redpath at 12, hope we can do it agin in 2nd half. My bet to win has Tigers at a 14pt start...

He looks like he has time on the ball, sign of a classy player.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:33

Part the 2nd.

Tigers penalty missed

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:34

Bath now playing into a strong wind, giving Tigers a distance advantage

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: 9215 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:35

TdG on at 15, itíll be interesting to see him get a decent amount of game time

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:39

Try no 5! Beno Obano

6 v 31

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:40

Spencer is so good

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: 9215 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:40

Quote:
Mike the Taxi
A try each from the front row!

All 4 of the front row!

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:41

RP misses conversion into wind, and goes off replaced by Matavesi

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:41

But not necessarily at 10

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:42

Matavesi makes try for TdG!

6 v 36



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:44

Spencer converts


6 v 38

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:45

Quote:
Mike the Taxi
Matavesi makes try for Redpath!
6 v 36

It was TdeG!



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:47

Corrected, CC

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 16:54

Ref doing his best to even it all up. He's only looking at one side, and the yellow was crazy. Faleteau was just competing for the ball without a lifter.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:00

Tigers try

11 v 38

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:02

Dickson is awful. Tigers ball carrier goes to ground at back of maul, making it a ruck so should release, but just gets up again having not released and Tigers score......

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:02

Conversion missed

11 v 38

Matavesi kicks off straight into touch - sounds familiar

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:07

Bath win 3 in a row at Welford Road and 4th win in a row against Tigers?

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:10

This is awful.

Typically Bath. One mistake and then they don't touch the ball for twenty minutes.

We make such hard work of everything

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:12

Great first half.

Pathetic second half. Useless.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:13

Yeah, 6 tries to one is terrible, isn't it?

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:17

Well done Bath, I know you had it sewn up but I was pleased to keep it to that score and to have had some possession and territory and kept going

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:17

FT

16 v 38

Well done Bath!

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:18

Tigers got unconverted try at the death

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:24

Great to get the bonus point win and three in a row at their place. I though we saw some of the attacking interplay we have been hoping for. A drop off in the last 30 minutes, but possibly hard for the players to maintain the intensity once the match result was inevitable.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: BathIron (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:27

Always take a win against Tigers!
The kicking from hand after Priestland left the field is a real worry. Matavesi is not a 10.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:28

Job done banana skin avoided!



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: BBWBaaBaa (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:37

Some people will never be happy unless Bath win the League and Europe at the same time!
Then they will probably complain about the style of play!
Far from perfect, but small steps, and moving forward.
Not serious injuries as far as I could see.
Roll on next week.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:50

Quote:
BBWBaaBaa
Some people will never be happy unless Bath win the League and Europe at the same time!
Then they will probably complain about the style of play!
Far from perfect, but small steps, and moving forward.
Not serious injuries as far as I could see.
Roll on next week.

When you don't touch the ball for half an hour against a terrible club's bunch of kids... come on.

It's the usual breakaway tries out of nowhere, then don't touch the ball for ages. Our attempt at attacking rugby in that second half was embarrassing, I've defended Dempsey in the past but that was dire shovelling it on.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:50

Little cameos from just about everyone which is pleasing - let's hope cameos turn into performances as confidence grows.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Victor Ludorum (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 17:58

That'll do nicely Bath! Maximum 10 pts from first two games back and in the mix for top four. If we can somehow do the double over Saints then things start to get very interesting...

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 18:20

First 51 minutes were superb. Last 30 less so.

Really enjoyed our style of play in the first half. Looked sharp with plenty of power right but a real willingness to get the ball to the wide men. The McCon try from line out to finish was a textbook mix of power, offloading, quick ball and pace. Yes, against kids, but you can only beat whatís in front of you.

10 from 10. New boys making an impact. Dare I say, a style emerging. Sounds good to me.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 18:26

10 against 10 against London Irish at home, and an utter shambles of a club's 3rd XV.

As comically wasteful with possession as ever.

I don't think it's much to ask for a team full of internationals and on the cusp of, to put in a more cohesive 80 minute performance. Instead they went half an hour in their own half, defending the entire time. Meh. People need to move past the romanticism of 5pts at Welford Road, it means nothing these days, most teams win there against the Tigers first team let alone the one put out today.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 18:32

Quote:
ballsout
10 against 10 against London Irish at home, and an utter shambles of a club's 3rd XV.
As comically wasteful with possession as ever.

I don't think it's much to ask for a team full of internationals and on the cusp of, to put in a more cohesive 80 minute performance. Instead they went half an hour in their own half, defending the entire time. Meh. People need to move past the romanticism of 5pts at Welford Road, it means nothing these days, most teams win there against the Tigers first team let alone the one put out today.

Well one record didn't get repaired over the break. You really shouldn't bother BO, it's tedious and off putting.
Defence remained strong all day, very aggressive and with a ref that wasn't overly keen to even up the mismatch, Tigers would have had a lot less possession.
A couple of excellent tries, lots of moves tried, though too many passes missed their man, but real signs of progress.
Spencer is a superb signing.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 18:34

If weíd won 100-3, heíd moan about the 3.

Ignore.

And enjoy the win!

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: bardofavon (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 18:36

poor last 30 and poor first 10. we played well for 40 but that was enough to blow away the tiger cubs.
RM was excellent in the first half but didn't see any ball in the second. BS puts so much pace on the game at 9. our backs looked good for the first time in 2 years. CR I thought looked very classy. he may have to step into the 10 shirt because if RP gets injured we are f***ked if JM is our only option. not good enough to be a starter. he could do with losing a few pounds as well.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 18:37

I loved it, its obvious your not happy unless you have a whine BO, in a crowded frantic end to the season take 5 points and keep our best players fresh.

Rory Mc double hand off for the try and the smile on Matevesi's face when he sold the dummy was priceless!



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 18:44

Quote:
dr.bath1865
First 51 minutes were superb. Last 30 less so.
Really enjoyed our style of play in the first half. Looked sharp with plenty of power right but a real willingness to get the ball to the wide men. The McCon try from line out to finish was a textbook mix of power, offloading, quick ball and pace. Yes, against kids, but you can only beat whatís in front of you.

10 from 10. New boys making an impact. Dare I say, a style emerging. Sounds good to me.

+1

Bath took a while to wake up, then looked pretty good IMO. No coincidence that the play goes backwards when Spencer comes off - Max Green would be my No.2 SH now in the Randall mould. Roko still doesn't look like scoring a wingers try any time soon, give GHW a chance. Bath still working out the new rules and go to ground too much for me still, which is always going to stand a good chance of getting a whistle. Positives were the front 5 again, RM looked excellent and Cameron R had a decent first appearance. TDG looked sharp too.

Next 2 games will really show us all where Bath are of course, but 10 points and no obvious injuries is good enough for me.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Griff (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 18:49

5 points, we beat Tiggers and no obvious injuries to the squad. Great starting debut for Cam Redpath. Iíll take that all day long with 4 games in 16 days to come



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 19:04

Fair to say both sides will do better than this going forward, neither team played as well as they can, tough times and we got a game out of all the turmoil, onwards on upwards.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 19:19

Your guys played with the spirit you predicted tigerburnie.

Building time for Tigers. Bath are trying to rebuild and making some progress.

Both clubs still in search of a style.

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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 19:21

Quick mention to Tom Dunn and Charlie Ewels sporting their sharp new (no) hair cuts in support of The Ben Saunders Foundation (Teenage Cancer Trust). Awesome cause for a lovely young man from Bath who has set up the foundation to help others like himself.

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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 19:28

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No coincidence that the play goes backwards when Spencer comes off - Max Green would be my No.2 SH now in the Randall mould.

I really like Spencer. need to see how it all pans out but he plays whats on, couple of times instead of just passing to RP as the designated 10 he went to the flat runner, Repath and JJ as examples. JM needs a bit of practice at 1o, kicking particularly!



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: johnnyf (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 19:55

Do not want to be sour grapes after a 5 point win but imho referee Dixon did his utmost to anihilate the game in the final quarter.

It was impossible for old codgers like me to understand the majority of his decisions with 90% plus of penalties being awarded against Bath. The mathematical chance of this happeneing is nigh on impossible. For a neutral it must have wrecked the entertainment value enormously..
Why not let the rugby flow even if you let things go for the betterment of the game?
He certainly got Leicester back into the game- I thought unreasonably so.

Surely referees are there to facilitate good rugby and not to be the focus of attention?

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 20:06

As a matter of interest in coach thinking why did Borthers pick a team of youngsters to play against a full team of arch rivals and what if anything did he learn! Seeing the tv shots of the players sitting this out it seemed that there was an air of incredulity with what they were watching!



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 20:11

The refs primary role it to apply the laws of the game. Its not his fault if the players continually break them - its not like he could (or should) turn a blind eye to make the game flow faster? The penalty count ended up being Tigers 10, Bath 18. Most of the Bath ones seemed to be flopping on the ruck, pulling down the maul, side entry, not rolling away - seems fair enough. As an aside I don't think that the pass for the try was forward, but then there weren't any ideal angles so can't be sure (like Austin thinks he was 'miles forward' my bum).



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Long Term (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 21:07

The importance of Priestland to the side in our current situation re fly halves was self evident, I'm sure we all wish things were different but the reality is we are reliant on him and he is not that bad a player! BO you are becoming a pastiche of yourself!!

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 21:39

I think spencer and redpath improve us considerably. Far from perfect but that middle 50 mins was impressive. Poor leic team (tho with lots of promising youngsters) but my ask was get the game won and the bp in the bag by half time to allow us to offload the bench and we did that no fuss.

If it was the other way round and we came back into a game in the last 20 whilst way behind ballsout would say it was totally meaningless and purely the opposition taking their foot off the pedal/ making lots of changes.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 22:27

Quote:
If it was the other way round and we came back into a game in the last 20 whilst way behind ballsout would say it was totally meaningless and purely the opposition taking their foot off the pedal/ making lots of changes.

This is 100% true.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2020 23:23

Quote:
Long Term
BO you are becoming a pastiche of yourself!!

Thistles not so good at the moment.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 00:09

Just watched the game. It's nice to get the 5pts but that was pretty much a training run and I doubt the management of either side learned much. Clear evidence of our back 3 becoming more involved in our team play, which is good to see, and I thought Rhys played well (altho under little pressure) but Matavesi as our second 10 worries me a bit. Also, our famed ability to switch off once we have a comfortable lead on show again. At least we got the BP before we did it.

I'd be delighted if we made the Top 4 but can anyone see us beating Exeter?



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 05:29

Genuinely weird selection by Borthwick. They need performances and learning, but they donít need points, so why bother Ďtargetingí the LI game and, effectively chucking the Bath game? Youngsters learn by having some experienced players to lean on, not by getting shellacked.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 06:13

Quote:
Optimist
Genuinely weird selection by Borthwick. They need performances and learning, but they donít need points, so why bother Ďtargetingí the LI game and, effectively chucking the Bath game? Youngsters learn by having some experienced players to lean on, not by getting shellacked.

I can only assume they are firmly focussed on europe and basing selections around that?

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 07:00

Equally it shows the scale of how weak Tigers squad is tbh. Compare with the team we'll likely start on Wednesday.

Mismanagement of Tigers squad over the past 5-6 years is a scandal up there with how the RFU have squandered all the world cup money.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 07:37

As soon as the teams were announced it was a lose-lose situation for Bath. Win and itís no big deal, lose and itís embarrassing.

No idea about the quality of performance, but purely based on the score we seem to be 5-10pts short of what we should have scored.

Can only beat who is in front of you so just take the 5pts and move on.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 09:59

Yes we can only beat what is in front of us, but some of Dickson's reffing was poor in the extreme. He let Cole push across the front row onto Walker, destabilising what had been a relatively solid set of scrums. However, the length of time taken over resets and restarts seemed like another water break to me. We had to win and, as sone said, we were on a hiding to nothing here.

Our pack, with Stuart and Dunn leading the way, is becoming very effective and I watched how much work McNally gets through. It is awesome.

Spencer is a real find and class operator. JJ and young Redpath and de DV had their moments as did Matevesi. Mac on the wing is getting better and threatens with ball on hand.

RP was well just RP, nothing great or poor. But Matevedi's kicking worries me.

We did go to sleep and dropped off the pace in the last 30.even when we had the wind behind us. We should have kicked for position more and put them under some pressure.

Still I always will take a win against Tigers especially at Welford Road. Well done lads.

Onwards and upwards. Now for Saints and then the big one. Wasps.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 12:09

Wind was in Bath's favour in the 1st half, then we were playing into it during the 2nd.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 12:14

Quote:
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Wind was in Bath's favour in the 1st half, then we were playing into it during the 2nd.

Far too logical Mike.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 12:48

Just answering Bob's point about the wind being 'behind us' in the last 30!(Sm56)

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 13:47

BT said Leicester had the wind in the first half...

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: wetside (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 14:55

Quote:
hasta
BT said Leicester had the wind in the first half...
I know. They were wrong.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 15:50

You can only beat what's in front of you, but we still give away dull penalties (collapsing mauls, jumping across the lineout, etc)!!!



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 23/08/2020 21:58

Thought we did well, another good performance from the front 5. Hats appears to be making a difference already

Undoubtedly Saints this week will be our sternest test yet.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 24/08/2020 06:15

Weíve beaten two under performing teams & our pack is excellent. That is clear. As to the capability of the team as a cohesive unit I have yet to be convinced. Probably our position is about right . As has been said, Wednesday will better inform us. Player wise, I fear Roko has lost his edge & we need to decide who is our interim replacement fly half. Our centres donít appear to display the threat of those teams around us. JJ is far more impressive when wearing an England shirt. Hopefully weíll see Joe soon but I do regret that we lost Woodburn to Exeter as he such an intelligent team player. It was a pity we didnít see what he had to offer.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 24/08/2020 08:18

Put that down to Mike Ford Bath Hammer. I have spoken to Olly and it is apparent he really didn't get a chance or was never considered very highly. Under Mr Baxter and Ali Hepher, his game and performances have come on in leaps and bounds and he is highly rated and makes a huge difference in both attack and in particular in defence. He is rock solid under the high ball and an excellent chaser and fetcher of kicks.

Yes we have lost a real gem and to think he was a Bath boy through and through, coming up the Academy route. Hey ho. He will not be the first or the last to be disaffected by MF.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/08/2020 08:45

To be fair Woodburn left in 2015 and wasn't that great when he was at Bath in a season where Bath were pretty special. Roko was also at the peak of his powers that year and looked twice the player OW was when they played opposite each other. Definitely best for OW to have moved on IMO.



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Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 24/08/2020 13:48

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To be fair Woodburn left in 2015 and wasn't that great when he was at Bath in a season where Bath were pretty special. Roko was also at the peak of his powers that year and looked twice the player OW was when they played opposite each other. Definitely best for OW to have moved on IMO.

Itís water under the bridge but however good the coaches were/are at Exeter I still think we failed to recognise his qualities at the time but itís impossible to get everything right.

Re: OLD BEAST,NEW CLAWS: LEICESTER v BATH- TEAMíS UP!
Posted by: badger1664 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/08/2020 12:01

Things do seem to be moving in the right direction at last. The pack is working well esp with the driving maul being very effective and great to watch. Spencer is a real breath of fresh air. With a first class 10 to link up with , they could be very dangerous. Overall , I don't know what they're putting in the teams water bottles and I don't care as long as they keep doing it . Saints will be a real test but looking forward to it.

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