PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS


Hall: greatesr ever?
By P G Tips
April 14 2020

As the Covid 19 lockdown continues, I have been thinking about the many great players who have graced the Blue, Black and White. How to pick 5 favourite forwards from the stellar cast of the last 40 years? Easy you say? Far from it. For over a decade in the 80s/90s Bath boasted a pack feared even by Leicester. Internationals from all 4 home nations have trained and played at the Rec, 10 becoming Lions while at Bath. Others from Argentina, Australia, South Africa and the pacific islands have also graced the shirt. Any selection will therefore be subjective and likely to spark debate. Here are my 5.

1. Gareth Chilcott
If not the greatest forward to pull on a Bath jersey, certainly one of the most iconic characters. “Coochie’ came to prominence as England and Lions international in Bath’s golden era, winning the first of 22 England caps in 1984 and his last in 1989. There might have been many more but for a reputation as an ‘over robust’ player. He somehow dodged a sending off in his first match after his right hook floored Aussie scrum half Nick Farr-Jones, but incurred the selectors wrath after the 1987 “Battle of Cardiff”, remembered more for the brawls than the match. In his 373 Bath appearances ‘Coochie’ claimed 7 cup wins (scoring a try in the second in 1985) and 5 League titles. Able to prop either side of the scrum, he did so for both club and country and was chosen for the 1989 Lions as a tight head. For several seasons the leader of Bath’s pack, he declined the captaincy in 1989, despite being the overwhelming choice of the players – arguing that Stuart Barnes would provide the better tactical direction. Hard, dedicated yet modest, Gareth Chilcott always played with a twinkle in his eye and was known to enjoy the social side of the game immensely. One of the biggest characters in a larger than life Bath team at the time.

 

2. Graham Dawe.
Arguably Chilcott’s chief competition for the accolade ‘spirit of Bath’ during that iconic era., hooker Dawe was another who earned fewer caps than he deserved. This was in part his own doing as he preferred not to play second fiddle to Brian Moore. Nevertheless he made the 1987 & 1995 World Cup squads and was a perennial favourite with fans at the Rec. He commuted 150 miles from his farm in Cornwall to train and play and stories of his hardness are legend. During the warm up for the 1996 Cup Final, Tigers’ opposite number Richard Cockerill ran over his hand. Dawe simply looked up at him. Cockerill’s team mate Graham Rowntree remembers “I thought this won’t end well” and it didn’t, with Dawe having the last laugh in Bath’s last gasp win. On another occasion, he found himself rooming with Brian Moore for England training, immediately after Bath had turned over a half –time semi final deficit of 26 points, to snatch a 30-26 victory. Dawe, having been one of the leaders in a 70 metre rolling maul resulting in a try, did not speak to Moore at all that night or in the following day’s training. After leaving Bath Dawe continued in rugby, coaching Plymouth Albion (even turning out for them in his 40s) and Cornwall. He still farms on the Devon/Cornwall border. A true Bath legend.

3. Nigel Redman.

Another who gained his England debut in 1984, at barely 20 years old. He was scapegoated immediately and had to wait 2 more seasons for his next start. In that time he established himself as a key member of Bath’s pack and scored 2 tries in the 1987 Cup Final win over Wasps. Destined to play international second fiddle for much of his career to Wade Dooley and Paul Ackford (later Bayfield and Johnson) he put in a man of the match performance in a surprise victory when called up to replace Bayfield against New Zealand in 1993. This was all the more remarkable as he had not slept a wink the night before due to food poisoning. The previous week the All Blacks had hammered Scotland 15-51, notching 7 tries to nil in the process. Lacking Bayfield, their leading lineout option and Guscott, their principal attacking threat, through injury, few gave England a chance, but inspired by Redman the England pack dominated New Zealand throughout. Further honours came Nigel’s way when he was called up as an injury replacement for the 1997 Lions, captaining the side on his debut. Surely his proudest moment though must be Bath’s 1998 Heineken Cup triumph in Bordeaux in his penultimate season. Nigel Redman experienced little of the professional era, but like most of that Bath team of the 80s, brought professional dedication to the last years of the amateur game.

 

4.John Hall

Hall also played in that stellar pack of the 80s and 90s. He should have been a cert for the 1987 and 1991 World Cup squads but was denied by knee injuries on both occasions. A local boy, educated at Beechen Cliff, his father Peter had been Bath’s longest serving openside. John, who could play across the back row started in that position but soon specialised at blindside, forming a dominant back row with skipper Roger Spurrell and No8 Paul Simpson. It was their close driving and support play in Bath’s first Cup Final that laid the foundations for a decade of success. Very swift until the knee injuries eventually took the edge off his pace,he was thought by many to be the greatest forward Bath ever had, John scored 87 tries in his 14 years and 277 appearances for the club, averaging a score every 3 games in his early seasons. Hall captained Bath in 1993 and again in 1995, and appeared in 5 winning 5 Cup Finals. When he toured New Zealand with England in 1985 local pundits said he should stay in the country as he had what it took to be an All Black. Former England Captain Will Carling , in a “Dream Team” video said Hall would be the first name on his team sheet. High praise indeed.

 

5. Dan Lyle

The only one of my 5 not to win an England cap: because he played for the United States. Dan Lyle joined Bath in 1996, already a seasoned international, despite having only played the game for 3 years. He brought incredible athleticism and a professional approach to training (not to mention an infectious enthusiasm) to an already successful side. Whether at No 8 (his best position), lock or flanker on either side he entertained the faithful with impossible leaps for high hanging balls, cross-field torpedo passes and slick offloads as well as being a potent poacher of tries. Dan played with a smile on his face, at a time when the newly professionalised game seemed suspicious of the lighter side of it’s past. His exuberant celebrations at the end of Bath’s Heineken Cup triumph remain one of the most iconic images of Bath’s great era. Dan married a woman from Bath and returns frequently to visit family and friends. A former Director of Operations for USA Rugby and now a sports administrator, Dan is credited with building rugby into a profitable, competitive professional sport in the USA.

 

Those are my 5. None from more recent years, and only 2 from Bath’s great European triumph: the “golden generation” having retired or on their last hurrah that day. These are the 5 who stand out for me. I could so easily have named another 5, including some favourites of recent years.

So- what would your selection be? Older fans will wonder how I can leave out Roger Spurrell. Who could forget the excitement when Ben Clarke in his pomp ran with ball in hand? Or Victor Ubogu’s 50M chip and chase try? The hits of Danny Grewcock, Francois Louw’s turnovers?

 

Let’s hear who you would name instead. Over to you.

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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 15:21

Nice.

For me it would probably be:

- Flouw
- Roger Spurrell
- Ben Clarke
- Danny Grewcock
- John Hall



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 15:27

Do they have to be all Bath ones?

Richard Hill
Steve Borthwick
Schalk Brits
Gordon Brown
Sam Underhill



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 16:40

My article is about Bath players SW.

So why not flesh your answer out?

4 more who have worn a Bath jersey. One more who has not.

PG

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 16:45

PG only 3 more! In the interests of fairness you really out to have a go at word shy Matt as well!



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 16:53

Indeed SW - 3 it is!

Was not having a go btw - just answering your question.

PG

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 17:23

Paul Simpson
Steve Ojomoh
Victor Ubogu
Steve Borthwick
Richard Lee

How does that work for you?

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 17:27

So the Bath ones:

Dave Atwood - Always took a step forward and immensely physical, like anyone who is prepared to travel to ply their trade.
Steve Borthwick - For his line out work and tactical nouse perfect complement to Danny G.
Sam Underhill - Energy and the best tackle I've ever seen smashing All blacks in the World cup game and totally bamboozling Barrett to score 'that' try against the ABs.
Steve Ojomoh - The forward who just longed to be a back, full of energy and a real handful in open field.
Andy Robinson - As a player just a real game changer and leader led the club to finals, how we could do with that now!



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 17:28

Quote:
P G Tips
Indeed SW - 3 it is!
Was not having a go btw - just answering your question.

PG

Realised that PG, I was just trying to prompt Matt into action!



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 17:31

Great choices Bod & SW.

See how hard it is to separate just 5 from the entire cast?


PG

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 17:39

After a quick 15min think my 5 are;

Andy Beattie - a durable, hard working blind side who I never saw have a bad game.
Danny Grewcock - an uncompromising lock who was harder than Jonno [imho] but silent with it.
Leeeeroy Houston - gave us so much go forward [i.e. excitement] and always smiling.
Lee Mears - a pocket rocket; great hands in loose play and so busy around the pitch.
Matt Stevens - redefined what it meant to play at prop, v sad when we lost him to the dark side.



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 18:18

Adam Vander
Lee Mears
Johnathan Humphries
Flouw
Andy Beattie

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 18:33

Quote:
P G Tips
Great choices Bod & SW.
See how hard it is to separate just 5 from the entire cast?


PG

Only problem is have I got Steve Ojomoh and Victor Ubogu jumbled up in my memory?



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Paul60 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 19:31

John Hall - who is probably the best forward the club has ever had
Danny Grewcock - British Lion
Ben Clarke - British Lion
Lee Mears - British Lion
Roger Spurrell - inspirational Captain when the Jack Rowell era commenced

But so many others worthy of a mention.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 19:41

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BathMatt53
Nice.
For me it would probably be:

- Flouw
- Roger Spurrell
- Ben Clarke
- Danny Grewcock
- John Hall

OK OK...

- Flouw: do I need to say anything? One of the truly world class players that I have had the pleasure to watch in the BBW at the Rec. No fear, fast, good hands but humble with it.
- Roger Spurrell: scary. If you were in a fight in town you would want this guy next to you...except that he may well have started it.
- Ben Clarke: Rampaging bull of a man, faster than he looked. Like one of those racing trucks.
- Danny Grewcock: Never took a step backwards - so quiet off the pitch, not one to mess with on it.
- John Hall: I can't remember which year it was (1984?) but as a child watched him punch out a spectator who ran onto the pitch and was hooked on rugby. Better than my first Twickers experience which Erika Roe ruined.

My view of forwards is a bit skewed I think - bunch of thugs. Can't wait for the follow-up which will be be the favourite 'proper' rugby gents in the backs... spinning smiley sticking its tongue out



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 19:53

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BathMatt53
Better than my first Twickers experience which Erika Roe ruined.

Through disillusionment perhaps Matt, for many she was an educational display of the Laws of Physics, (Chapter 7 - Momentum of spherical objects.)

PS Well done for accepting the challenge.



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 20:03

Quote:
shipwrecked
Quote:
P G Tips
Great choices Bod & SW.
See how hard it is to separate just 5 from the entire cast?


PG

Only problem is have I got Steve Ojomoh and Victor Ubogu jumbled up in my memory?

Mmmm........possibly - ref my mention of Victor’s chip & chase try.

PG

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Trawling (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2020 21:32

I'll go for 3 number 8s, a guy who can play anywhere across the back row and a Flying Pig. All real club men, all prepared to run through brick walls but all with real skill on both sides of the ball.

Zak; Leroy; Dan; Flouw and Mearsy.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2020 08:17

Quote:
hasta
Adam Vander
Lee Mears
Johnathan Humphries
Flouw
Andy Beattie

Vander was the first name on my list but he played so few games [in my mind] because of injury issues I plumped for Beattie instead who never seemed to be injured. I loved watching AV play...



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2020 10:42

Number 1 has to be the iconic, one and only guy you truly wanted on your side when the going got tough, and I mean 'tough' and never 'went down' , still very skillful in his position, recognised by many experts of his craft, superb company of the field, the self effacing legend that is R. G. R. DAWE.

2. One of the best all round, skillful forwards of his and many other generations, tough as teak, physically and mentally, Jon Hall.

3. Another tough hombre who you would want in a battle and no one ever messed with more than once, the exceptional gentlemanly softly spoken off the field, Danny Grewcock. Just imagine a Lions second row of Grewwy and Willie John McBride in their pomp, it would have put the fear of God in any Southern Hemisphere oposition.

4. An early warrior for the early successful BB&W teams both by his own actions and led from the front, the often bloodied faced Roger Spurrell. He loved the mid week 'challenges' in those games in South Wales where his total lack of fear in very intimidating circumstances led to successes over Neath, Pontypool, Pontypridd, Mountain Ash. Aberavon et all.

5. Although Bath has had some talismanic prop forwards like Cooch, Ubogu, Bell, and I M O, the unsung Wellington farmer Richard Lee, my last great forward choice has to be 'the Yank', Dan Lyle. He was exceptionally and uniquely talented with his US footballing background, and did things no one else did on a rugby pitch. Those long 'torpedo' passes to a startled back line, were a thing of genius plus his all roung athletism. It is a shame he never got an England cap or toured with the Lions.

This list is extremely difficult to compile as it misses out guys like 'Born Offside' Robinson, Ollie Redman, Adam Vander (wish he stayed fitter), Paul Simpson, Flatman, Martin Haag, Ben Clark, Flouw, and, I wish he came earlier to Bath, Jonathan Humphries, another true warrior and great leader from the front. Bath have been blessed with many such players throughout the years I have watched and young Underhill and possibly Ian Stuart from the current side may join that pantheon.

Great thread PGT. Really made me think how lucky I have been watching these guys and the wonderful memories we no doubt all have which are very neccesary and uplifting in our current World situation.



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2020 13:58

Quote:
Clarkey3k
After a quick 15min think my 5 are;
Andy Beattie - a durable, hard working blind side who I never saw have a bad game.
Danny Grewcock - an uncompromising lock who was harder than Jonno [imho] but silent with it.
Leeeeroy Houston - gave us so much go forward [i.e. excitement] and always smiling.
Lee Mears - a pocket rocket; great hands in loose play and so busy around the pitch.
Matt Stevens - redefined what it meant to play at prop, v sad when we lost him to the dark side.

Ah... Leeeeroy Houston, one of my favourite players and a decent guy as well. Was gutted when he left.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2020 15:59

Whatever 5 one chooses Spurrell has to be the first name for his inspirational leadership.



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Devonport Lad (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2020 18:01

At BRSC we’ve been running a “Bath Rugby: who’s the GOAT” competition for 4 weeks now by email and social media. This week we’re looking for nominations for 9 and 10, but the results for the Greatest Of All Time in every position in the pack as voted for by BRSC Members were:

1. Gareth Chilcott
2. Graham Dawe
3. Victor Ubugo
4. Steve Borthwick
5. Danny Grewcock
6. John Hall
7. Francois Louw
8. Dan Lyle



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2020 18:22

Quote:
Devonport Lad
At BRSC we’ve been running a “Bath Rugby: who’s the GOAT” competition for 4 weeks now by email and social media. This week we’re looking for nominations for 9 and 10, but the results for the Greatest Of All Time in every position in the pack as voted for by BRSC Members were:
1. Gareth Chilcott
2. Graham Dawe
3. Victor Ubugo
4. Steve Borthwick
5. Danny Grewcock
6. John Hall
7. Francois Louw
8. Dan Lyle

Great choice, great pack if only they had played together (Sm128)



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2020 22:37

‘Better than my first Twickers experience which Erika Roe ruined’ - how on earth did she ruin it?

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2020 06:04

Quote:
Optimist
‘Better than my first Twickers experience which Erika Roe ruined’ - how on earth did she ruin it?

I was 6 years old. The crowd went wild, police ran on, I was confused and a bit scared. I got over the experience in later life I’m pleased to say.



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2020 09:30

My what a pack of forwards! Just imagine any side wanting to try and disrupt a pack including Cooch, Dawsey and Grewcock. I think they would have been mental, and would have lost the fight.



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: BathIron (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2020 10:38

I would find a place for Phil Hall, Bath legend with 580 appearances.

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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2020 12:30

A fine player BI - from an era before many of us recall.

I erroneously credited Peter Hall, father of John, in my article with the record number of flanker appearances Phil notched up. Me culpa!

PG

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2020 12:31

I'm going to go for players that i watched at bath I havent been in this area that long:

Lee Mears
Danny Grewcock
Leroy Houston
Duncan Bell
and probably a curve ball as he was only here 5 minutes, but I liked his dynamism, Luke Watson

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2020 12:43

Great thread. Bringing back many happy memories.

For me...

Dan Lyle - Because of that American football throw which made him like no other 8 I've ever seen.
Flouw - Because he's been our player of the decade and we're so much better with him in the pack.
Victor Ubogu - Because he combined charisma, style and fun with pure rugby strength and ability.
Danny G - Because there was no better sight than Danny bearing his teeth as he tore into contact.
Tom Dunn - Maybe an odd choice but when I first saw him play I thought, who on earth is this guy? But through a lot of hard work and no little bravery, he's turned himself into an England candidate. A local lad too and one that may well end up being a 'one club man'. For me, a legend in the making.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2020 22:46

1. Grewy
2. Atters
3. Belly
4. Beastie
5. Flouw

Highly commended Zac Feaunatu. Also considered Luke Watson. Explosive in every way!!

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2020 08:08

1) No one mentioned Zak? Perhaps just my generation but great 8.

2) I'd add Lee Mears. Particularly liked the way he did his time under hump, was patient and, I suspect, a better player for it.

3) love Tom Dunn seems to have got there through sheer hard work. Can't believe he's missed out on a cap. A hooker staying on the bench all game then missing the rest of the 6n due to c-19.

Got to bank on Louw and grewcock. All been said.

To throw in one that might be controversial, Lipman was a great 7. Not something we see often.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2020 11:54

Arrived in Bath in '96, so including only since then:

Dan Lyle - remember him coming back to the Rec after he retired and publicly apologising for 'that Leicester thing', which was a great moment!

Zac Feaunaati - played a big part in us finishing top in 2004, and i'd had a wee punt on Bath at 100/1!

Zach Mercer - more than anything for his cover tackles on Marcus Smith and Alex Cuthbert and his 'one-eyed-fan-let-loose-in-the-commentary-box' radio stint.

Elliot Stooke - everything that is good about rugby - has driven Oldfield 2nds' match-day minibus on occasions this season.

Also agree with Dan about Lipman - a kind of prototype Sam Underhill from another age.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2020 16:02

Difficult to select 5 :

Do you go for club legends and stalwarts who never received the public appreciation as some of the other stars but were respected beyond belief by their peers players such as Rich Lee and Nigel Gaymond.

Personally:

1. David Sole - a prop with such an engine and speed he actually played for Bath on the wing and just think about that for a minute.

2. Graham Dawe - True passion and optimise West Country grit - I suppose you could say a Cornish version of Finlay Calder (and that is praise).

3. Flouw - Incredible servant remained with the club during all the turmoil, when I am sure more lucrative offers were available.

4. Danny Grewcock - Absolute rock that is all that needs to be said.

5. Richard Lee - Possibly one of the strongest and nicest players I have ever had the privileged to meet.

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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2020 20:35

My 5 but I could pick 50 - I have tried to add a couple of new ones even if they might not have made my real top 5

(i) Sole - just so technically brilliant
(ii) Ronny Regan - just for that 5 mins of scrums in Bordeaux in THAT match
(iii) Lee - About as old school as you could get. They used to say he would punch first and then not bother to ask questions..
(iv) Rob Fidler - just for kissing the Bath badge in front of the Shed after we beat Gloucs.
(v) Dan Lyle - maybe the most athletic rugby forward I have ever seen and the one handed passed out of the base of the scrum to the scrum half standing away from the scrum!

Honourable mentions: Belly, Delve and Clarke and I wish I had seen more of Vander. Impossible not to mention Haag who was so irascible towards the end of his career I saw him get a yellow card for starting a fight as he ran across the pitch to join a line-out when coming on as a sub.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2020 22:35

Rob Fiddler, forgot about him. Really solid 2nd rower.

Also no mention Jonny F at 6/8. Some great games in BBW but not around for ages. Lippy is a good shout.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Devonport Lad (IP Logged)
Date: 19/04/2020 12:47

Following on from my earlier post about the Bath Rugby greatest of all time forwards as voted for by BRSC members, we’ve now had a vote for the number 9 and 10 shirts. Messrs Claasens and James featured strongly and there was support for the likes of Mike Catt, Ollie Barkley and Peter Stringer, but by a very clear margin the votes went to Richard Hill at 9 and Stuart Barnes at 10. We’re focusing on the centres this week.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2020 16:10

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hasta
Adam Vander
Lee Mears
Johnathan Humphries
Flouw
Andy Beattie

Vander was the first name on my list but he played so few games [in my mind] because of injury issues I plumped for Beattie instead who never seemed to be injured. I loved watching AV play...

I maintain that he single-handedly kept us up one season. And he played like half the season and then got injured. He was so good.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: sirtidychris (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2020 14:39

Dan Grewcock
Victor Ubogu
Zak feaunati
David Flatman
FLouw

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: Bepetas (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2020 00:13

John Hall, Gareth Chilcott, Roger Spurrell, Graham Dawe and Danny Grewcock would be my five.
However one player I think deserves a mention is Kane Palma-Newport, he might not be a superstar but he seemed to be at every game either as a player or supporter, when he had game time he never let the side down, he captained the United side to win the A league and when he scored a try against Sale at the Rec the crowd just erupted. He was clearly a well loved player and a great character, his interview about mental health was inspirational.

I went to watch bath play Saints at the Rec when the Saints props Brian Mujati and Soane Tonga'uiha were destroying established premiership scrums. Bath had an injury crisis and fielded a young Kane Palma-Newport at tighthead and Charlie Beech at Loosehead, Both Bath props dug in and held the Saints pack in the set piece. I think Bath edged the win but honestly I can't remember the result of the game just remember thinking that was one hell of an effort from two young props.

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2020 01:35

Came to the club way too late but off top of my head:

1. Grewcock - I'd have walked over hot ashes for that guy and I was just a spectator. Reckon he was robbed of more more international recognition.

2. Flouw - I though Luke Watson was exceptional but Flouw brought a similar package and more. Could change a game with a turnover like noone else.

3. Vander - Played a blinder in the first Bath game I ever saw. That's enough for me.

4. Humphries/Mears - does this count? For me they're forever tied together. The elder master and the protégé. Both exceptional.

5. Borthwick/Stevens/Lipman/Salvi/Watson - Missed opportunities really. As good as any of the above on their day but felt like their time with the club was too short/tainted. If I had to choose one it would be Borthwick - just seemed to elevate whichever team he played for.



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Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: OBinFiji (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2020 05:10

OK showing my age
Robbie Lye - because he seemed to enjoy the game so much (and because I was in the same school team as his nephew)
Gerry Parsons - because my dad told me that he was the forerunner of Dave Robsons accumulation of quality/hard players that went on to become the team that Jack built. Don't know if there was any truth in that - and dont want to know either.
Ben Clarke - because he seemed like a movie star when he arrived, seemed to have the the world at his fingertips he was so good, but didn't stay for long enough.
Danny Grewcock - because I (and Dan Wiley) defended his stamp (and therefore his whole approach to rugby) in that European Cup game on the cheating Irish flanker against a lot of folk 'ERE.
John Hall - because I was in the same pack as him (and Kevin Withey) at school in my final year - and it was a 'thats what I could have been, if only I'd been that hard/fast/skilful' .

Hmmm no front row?

OBinFiji

Re: PAST PLAYERS: FAVOURITE 5 FORWARDS
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2020 06:13

Ben Clarke was the single best player I have ever seen play in a Bath shirt.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

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