Pointless exercise
Looked the business
By WW
September 15 2013
There was much discussion on the funbus and before the game about the Doncaster jinx. We never win at Doncaster! The sun was shining and the pitch was in perfect condition. I managed to convince my fellow funsters that there is no such thing as a jinx. However I was not able to get into the pre-match team talk so the players still clearly think they cannot win at Castle Park.....
Rotherham stuffed Moseley, utilising their big pack , shoving the Brummies around the park. When our teams came out I noted that our front eight were much bigger than their Nottingham foes. I also noted that none of our front five looked fit. The front row and Green were all carrying excess weight . Hannay looked like he was not ready for sharp end action yet ( recent operation?).
Last season came flooding back as we gifted possession to the Greens at every opportunity. When we had the ball Hughes whipped it out along the back line -ok. Lucock started but only lasted ten minutes before Griffin came on to batter the Notts defence. To no avail - the Greens held firm. They also scored every time they had an opportunity. Hughes kicked three goals to keep us in touch but by half time we were 18-9 down and looking clueless.
Hampo and the ref stuggled with the new simplified scrum rules although Notts dropped a few leading one wag just behind me to to comment Binding? You couldn't bind even after a week in a pickled egg factory!" Same wag then showed us up in the halftime goal kicking competition
The second half saw more of the same. Notts went further in front before the ineffective Hughes was replaced by the lad whose name gets you a good scrabble score: Alex Lozowski!
Lozzer immediately improved the distribution and looked every inch the 10 we have craved. When Notts had a kickable penalty and opted for the corner we managed to steal the lineout. Goss gathered the ball behind the posts and shipped it to Lozzer who jinked into a gap and was off like a scalded cat. The Doc, languishing at fullback for most of the match, got up the wing alongside him and took the pass. With defenders closing him down he popped the ball back inside for young Alex to crash over out wide. A one hundred metre move, executed to perfection. Lazzer added the extras from out wide and we looked like a rugby team.
Several chances came our way. The pass was ruled forward when Goss was clear with the line at his mercy. As the clock ran down we got a kickable penalty. Jacob opted for the corner. We fluffed the lineout and the whistle went. The opportunity to secure a losing bonus point was spurned so we got nothing out of the game which was what we deserved.
Had I not witnessed the breakout try I would have come away from Castle Park quite depressed. However that glimpse of magic left me with some hope. We played worse against Bedford at Otley and came back better for it. If we iimprove ( selecting Lozowski will help) we will get something at the Mennaye next week. If not then we are in for an autumn of discontent.
Pointless exercise
Posted by: TykesRugby.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 08:19
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Re: Pointless excercise
Posted by: Timofe (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 08:27
A fair review, Willie. The decision-making at the end was very bad and hopefully Jake will learn from it. The team looked like they were treating it as a pre-season game and there wasn't a lot of running in any of them.
I wonder if our new conditioner from Sale focussed on bulk rather than speed, because they all look like they've lost a few metres.
Onwards and upwards!
Suffering on the Leeds and Yorkshire roller-coaster since 2001
I wonder if our new conditioner from Sale focussed on bulk rather than speed, because they all look like they've lost a few metres.
Onwards and upwards!
Suffering on the Leeds and Yorkshire roller-coaster since 2001
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Gelbel (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 09:00
As mentioned before, I think the guys thought there was more time left so did not opt for the three points. However - that's no excuse; three points would've ( probably) secured the loosing BP, who knows the resulting restart could've even given us a dying-second try and a shock (totally undeserved) draw/win.
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Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 10:17
Last minute penalty - last season the players would have looked to Diccon, who would have signalled what to do. Now Jake now has this responsibility with the "hands off" management approach of J-Lo. Just hope he gets it right from now on.
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 10:22
Well done WW. A good report on a shocking game!
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Rocky (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 11:45
Lowes shows his lack of knowledge by declaring that the "penalty count wasn't important", Hughes says it was an issue. A high penalty count is always a problem, as is execution of the basics.
Another example is his comment "if you lose you shouldn't get anything", well I am sorry Mr Lowes but the rules are that you get a point if you finish within 7. It doesn't matter if you feel you shouldn't get anything, 1 point could make a massive difference at the end of the year.
Hughes on the offy
Lowes on the offy
If you want to punish yourself here are the "highlights".
Another example is his comment "if you lose you shouldn't get anything", well I am sorry Mr Lowes but the rules are that you get a point if you finish within 7. It doesn't matter if you feel you shouldn't get anything, 1 point could make a massive difference at the end of the year.
Hughes on the offy
Lowes on the offy
If you want to punish yourself here are the "highlights".
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: John R (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 13:21
The guys need to learn a few things:
Regarding the new scrum laws, play to what the ref says!
Regarding decisions, take the points on offer when given on a plate and don't go for glory which in fact, wouldn't have gained any further points points in the table.(We now have nowt!) Jake, please note!
Keep hands off the ball in rucks and keep hold of the damn thing when it's open play.
Any or all of thee would be a vast improvement on Doncaster!
Up the Carnegie TYKES !
Regarding the new scrum laws, play to what the ref says!
Regarding decisions, take the points on offer when given on a plate and don't go for glory which in fact, wouldn't have gained any further points points in the table.(We now have nowt!) Jake, please note!
Keep hands off the ball in rucks and keep hold of the damn thing when it's open play.
Any or all of thee would be a vast improvement on Doncaster!
Up the Carnegie TYKES !
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: North needs success (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 13:44
Poor result and indifferent peformance. Having said that it was not a forward pass for the try at the end - very poor decision.
Hughes plays too deep. That's why Loz makes a difference. Defensive line not good at all and very inconsistent with players either fyling out of line or holding back (Griffin).
Strange decision not to kick at goal at the end.
All in all a usual first game of the season for a Leeds supporter !
Hughes plays too deep. That's why Loz makes a difference. Defensive line not good at all and very inconsistent with players either fyling out of line or holding back (Griffin).
Strange decision not to kick at goal at the end.
All in all a usual first game of the season for a Leeds supporter !
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: JDH (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 14:42
I have know idea why JL would say the penalty count is not a problem. In RL if you are are the wrong end of the penalties a team will often lose, even more so in RU
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Selby Kev (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 20:52
Nuffin to say...all bin said...thanks to WW for dim glimmer of optimism from the final 10...you have taken the batton!
Note Pirates beat Bristol...Friday should be good???? Sorry, I mean 'interesting'.Hope The Donny Experience is soon history!!
Onwards and Upwards...just hope we are really rattled??!
Note Pirates beat Bristol...Friday should be good???? Sorry, I mean 'interesting'.Hope The Donny Experience is soon history!!
Onwards and Upwards...just hope we are really rattled??!
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 21:05
I didn't go but it sounds like a poor effort. Still, it's too early to judge JL or the new recruits, let's give them a chance to settle in.
Having said that, I am more than concerned about our cover in the backs. Yesterday we had a winger at 15, and a scrum half, and a centre, on the wings. Arguably, our best centre was left on the bench. If we have to play players out of position to cover for injuries, then clearly we are short of cover.
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
Having said that, I am more than concerned about our cover in the backs. Yesterday we had a winger at 15, and a scrum half, and a centre, on the wings. Arguably, our best centre was left on the bench. If we have to play players out of position to cover for injuries, then clearly we are short of cover.
COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Selby Kev (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2013 21:40
Possibly hort of more than 'cover'? I take WW's point about fitness, sharpness and carrying excess weight...we looked a bit sluggish?
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: farmertyke (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2013 09:07
Strong rumour that we are signing a back from London Broncos....
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Bibby (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2013 09:48
Couldn't go.
How did Jonah look?
How did Jonah look?
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Rocky (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2013 10:53
The frustration is the heads down brand of rugby played. There was a general lack of awareness and everyone seemed to be flat. It felt like the pre-season had dragged and instead of building to a crescenedo it seems to have knocked any spark out of the team. Someone mentioned the conditioning side of things and this could be a contributing factor.
The few times we played heads up rugby we scored a try and were denied another. We had the bulk of posession but did sod all with it, we crabbed across the pitch losing ground and then were bettered at the breakdown.
It was a disappointing start and instead of building on the positives of last year we are back to square one.
I was concerned at the selection, strength in depth allows for you to cover losses like Stevie without compromising the backline. Sadly moving Doc does that, he did a decent job at 15 but he should be on the wing. Goss is a centre who has been pushed into the wing berth, Holmes is a good prospect but again he isnt an out and out winger. That is where the likes on Curtis, Tinckns and the likes were needed, however because of mistakes and problems they were let go.
I am confident that things will improve but, if I was Lowes, I would have spent the entire summer reading, watching and lsitening to everything Union I could find. To say the penalty count is irrelevant loses him a huge amount of credibility in my eyes and makes me wonder what other "basics" he fails to grasp.
Oh well, at least we have an easy game next Friday....................
The few times we played heads up rugby we scored a try and were denied another. We had the bulk of posession but did sod all with it, we crabbed across the pitch losing ground and then were bettered at the breakdown.
It was a disappointing start and instead of building on the positives of last year we are back to square one.
I was concerned at the selection, strength in depth allows for you to cover losses like Stevie without compromising the backline. Sadly moving Doc does that, he did a decent job at 15 but he should be on the wing. Goss is a centre who has been pushed into the wing berth, Holmes is a good prospect but again he isnt an out and out winger. That is where the likes on Curtis, Tinckns and the likes were needed, however because of mistakes and problems they were let go.
I am confident that things will improve but, if I was Lowes, I would have spent the entire summer reading, watching and lsitening to everything Union I could find. To say the penalty count is irrelevant loses him a huge amount of credibility in my eyes and makes me wonder what other "basics" he fails to grasp.
Oh well, at least we have an easy game next Friday....................
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Gelbel (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2013 11:30
Quote:Rocky The Tyke
, watching and lsitening to everything Union I could find. To say the penalty count is irrelevant loses him a huge amount of credibility in my eyes and makes me wonder what other "basics" he fails to grasp.
And then in Hughes' post-match interview, he says the penalty count killed us.
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: trundle134 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2013 12:17
To play rugby the first thing you need is a pack of forwards who can dominate the set piece-look at what the blacks did to the boks on saturday morning or the lions to australia in the third test or what england did to argentina in the summer
the backs cant play if we dont dominate irrespective of how much ball we have
the backs cant play if we dont dominate irrespective of how much ball we have
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Zandra LaPoI (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2013 16:19
Chill, one swallow does not make a spring!
I am sure the lads will be fuming and make amends on Friday.
By the way is the game on the telly? Might be able to watch it if it is.
Zandra YaPoI
YaPoI - Yorkshire and Proud of It
'proficiscor in una'
I am sure the lads will be fuming and make amends on Friday.
By the way is the game on the telly? Might be able to watch it if it is.
Zandra YaPoI
YaPoI - Yorkshire and Proud of It
'proficiscor in una'
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Zandra LaPoI (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2013 08:31
@#$%&, I had just booked the Telly for Friday. Radio it is then. 1945 KO means 2315 for me! ARghhhhhhhhhhh!
Zandra YaPoI
YaPoI - Yorkshire and Proud of It
'proficiscor in una'
Zandra YaPoI
YaPoI - Yorkshire and Proud of It
'proficiscor in una'
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2013 09:11
You might have to dig about a bit to find it Zan. Rhinos play Saints on Friday evening in SL play offs, so that most likely to be on Radio Leeds.
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Zandra LaPoI (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2013 11:40
Radio Cornwall will have to do then!
Zandra YaPoI
YaPoI - Yorkshire and Proud of It
'proficiscor in una'
Zandra YaPoI
YaPoI - Yorkshire and Proud of It
'proficiscor in una'
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: tintagel (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2013 15:18
"have to do then"!!!Dick and Steve will deliver an informative, unbiased but hopefully gleeful commentary including another try from JT watched on by our ex's.!!!!
Looking forward to seeing any of you that can make Friday night
Looking forward to seeing any of you that can make Friday night
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2013 23:13
Didn't go on Saturday so can't comment on the performance.
Have to say I'm a little disappointed at the level of critiscism that JL is getting after just one game.
I've just listened to his post match comments on the offy and at no point does he say the penalty count is "irrelevant", nor does he say it "doesn't matter". When it was put to him that the penalty count must be a worry he replied that it wasn't and, to be fair, after one game I wouldn't describe it as a worry either. If we're shipping penaltys game after game then it's a worry.
Also, having given the players the responsibility of making decisions on the pitch you'd expect him to back them in public. Unfortunately Jacob has started with a poor one, a fact which I'm sure JL has made him aware of in private.
As has already been said, it's far too early to judge him yet.
Lets put it right against the pirates on Friday night.
Have to say I'm a little disappointed at the level of critiscism that JL is getting after just one game.
I've just listened to his post match comments on the offy and at no point does he say the penalty count is "irrelevant", nor does he say it "doesn't matter". When it was put to him that the penalty count must be a worry he replied that it wasn't and, to be fair, after one game I wouldn't describe it as a worry either. If we're shipping penaltys game after game then it's a worry.
Also, having given the players the responsibility of making decisions on the pitch you'd expect him to back them in public. Unfortunately Jacob has started with a poor one, a fact which I'm sure JL has made him aware of in private.
As has already been said, it's far too early to judge him yet.
Lets put it right against the pirates on Friday night.
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Selby Kev (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2013 23:47
Fair comment Leeming...it wasn't pretty to watch...and yes...give the man a chance....so lets hope we perform on Friday. It may be early days yet but we need to set the bar high from the off and show some real intent...momentum is not easy to regain once squandered...wouldn't want to face the same 'end of season' stress again!!
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: Rocky (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2013 06:41
LT the comments I referred to we're no made on the official site. I was/am supportive of Lowes however his last few appearances in the press have shaken my belief in him. The lack of understanding and perceived disinterest in learning the intricacies of Union are concerning.
Team has been selected for Friday so lets see if the changes make a difference.
Team has been selected for Friday so lets see if the changes make a difference.
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: trundle134 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2013 13:04
nail on the head leeming
the try we scored was as good as any i have seen in a long time by the way
the try we scored was as good as any i have seen in a long time by the way
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2013 23:53
Yep, lets hope they do make a difference Rocky.
I think JL is very uncomfortable being questioned about Rugby Union on camera which has led him to make the odd throw away comment he probably regretted later for example "you shouldn't get anything if you lose".
There's plenty of time for things to click into place though.
If I've learned one thing about Championship rugby it's that it's not how you start the season that counts but how you finish it.
I think JL is very uncomfortable being questioned about Rugby Union on camera which has led him to make the odd throw away comment he probably regretted later for example "you shouldn't get anything if you lose".
There's plenty of time for things to click into place though.
If I've learned one thing about Championship rugby it's that it's not how you start the season that counts but how you finish it.
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: oopnorth (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2013 12:13
Good point. He needs to take Farrell as his model. He won't survive in RU or motivate his players if he believes or appears to that RL is a superior game.
Remember Daryl Powell giving Marshall two pages on how to pass the ball.
Remember Daryl Powell giving Marshall two pages on how to pass the ball.
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: John R (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2013 13:05
Yes oop, I do!
Not the most endearing way to inspire a World Cup Winning All Black, (and his team mates) would you think?
(Maybe he didn't that all blacks were not boxes of dark chocolate, but quite good rugby players who generally are reasonably good at catching, holding and passing the ball?)
Up the Carnegie TYKES !
Not the most endearing way to inspire a World Cup Winning All Black, (and his team mates) would you think?
(Maybe he didn't that all blacks were not boxes of dark chocolate, but quite good rugby players who generally are reasonably good at catching, holding and passing the ball?)
Up the Carnegie TYKES !
Re: Pointless exercise
Posted by: IanB58 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2013 18:25
News to Marshall he ever got a World Cup winner's medal! However the fact that Powell did that reinforces my view that a lot of the problem with that team was the coaching.
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