SARRIES' FRAILTIES ON SHOW AGAIN: IRISH TAKE ADVANTAGE


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By Innings
November 7 2021

A regular event in the Sarries squad this season has been the gift of points, even a game, to the opposition, as the direct result of petulant, off-the ball, after the whistle, penalties.

Did Sarries lose at Leicester because of a contentious decision by the referee? Perhaps they lost because of an earlier petulant push by a Sarries player that gave Tigers three easy points.  Tigers winning margin? One point.

Did Billy achieve anything when his back-chat during the Falcons game gave them a penalty reversal and an easy three points? At least Sarries won that one.

Yesterday, early on, back-chat from Mako and Jackson Wray turned an innocuous penalty to Irish, in the latter’s half, into an easy three points. Final result 34-34.

So far, this season, Sarries have given five or six table points to opposition sides as a direct result of their off-the-ball behaviour.  As a result, we are second, not top.  Enough Already!

I am not even going to try to fathom out what went wrong yesterday.  At half-time, playing into a horrible wind Sarries are 13-3 ahead and have a man advantage, a second-row player, Adam Coleman, having put in a head-high tackle on Jackson Wray, which led to a red card and no argument about its justification.  At fifty minutes, Sarries are cruising home, 34-8, and Irish hanging on as best they can. The consensus around me is that Irish face a long and possibly humiliating thirty minutes before they can return home. 

Every now and then we see collapse of the famed Sarries mantra of work-rate, humility and discipline, plus whatever the fourth one may be.  Yesterday, Sarries decided that the game was won, the bonus point secured.  Irish needed four converted tries to win, and they had shown little evidence of that being achievable.  One Irish try thus far is scarcely a platform for anything sensational. The mindset changes: humility becomes hubris, work-rate becomes optional and the discipline that underpins success disappears altogether.

Sarries backs have forgotten that rugby is a team game.  All too often, players try to gain the glory of a hard-work try when the simpler option of passing to a player with a free run for the line is available.  We have seen it before this season, and saw it again yesterday.  Wolfpack defence requires the discipline and work-rate that every wolf works as part of the whole, fast and accurate.  During the dreadful last thirty minutes yesterday we saw, more than once, successions of phases of Irish possession when every single Irish carrier made ground over the gain line.  Sarries were simply not engaging, not closing down runners and their options, fading out of tackles.

And suddenly, the Irish scent the wind of complacency from the Sarries players.   Try, try, try, in ten minutes, 34-8 has become 34-27 and Sarries are desperately defending to prevent a fifth.  Fourteen-man Irish are playing like men possessed, Sarries are simply in a panic.  The wolf-hounds have clearly the better of the wolf-pack.  On 80 minutes, the Irish are on the Sarries line, pressing for a last try.  Sarries defend and defend, for four interminable minutes, but Irish discipline is spot-on, desire is exactly matched by execution, and after a couple more defensive penalties the visitors are over for a 34-32 score-line.  A nerve-jangling conversion from wide out, and the game is done.  Sarries 34 - London Irish 34.

The scene on the pitch is now a true reflection of what has gone before.  London Irish players celebrate exuberantly; they go home with three table points from a game which promised nothing.  Sarries look like men crushed; they have played unbelievably poorly for the last thirty minutes, are in doubt about that.  The ‘fish report is headlined “Saracens men had to settle for honours even…”.  Delusional, and it reminds me of what the fourth Sarries mantra word is: honesty.

Exactly eight months ago to the day, Sarries went to Cornwall and lost an eminently winnable game.  Afterwards, they picked themselves up, and rest of the ‘Championship Season’ is history.  For the next two weeks, Sarries have opportunities to re-set before the Gallagher Premiership will resume.  Harlequins travel to the Stonex, eager to turn Sarries over after the recent defeat at the Stoop, and Sarries then travel to Brentford, re-matched against London Irish, desperate to show that yesterday was a one-off, an alignment of the stars that will not happen again. 

As things stand, I think it perfectly possible that Sarries could lose both games, and then have to resume Premiership duties against a very impressive Sale Sharks outfit. 

Today, Sarries is a badly-wounded squad.  The leadership group on the field depends on three players who were not present yesterday, and who won’t be there for the next two games either.  The much-vaunted strength in depth was sadly missing, and Mark McCall has a big hill to climb.  At least we can have confidence that if an immediate recovery can be achieved, MMC is the most likely person to oversee it.  He might usefully begin by taking the squad onto the pitch and telling each, in turn, to recite the four principles of the Sarries ethos, writ large above the East stand.

Saracens: Obatoyinbo; Lewington, Lozowski, Taylor, Segun; Goode (co-capt), Van Zyl; Mako Vunipola, Woolstencroft, Clarey, Isiekwe, Swinson, Christie, Wray (co-capt), Earl.

Replacements: Lewis, Barrington, Wainwright, McFarland, Reffell, Davies, Morris, Maitland.

London Irish: Parton; Rowe, Hepetema, van Rensburg, Hassell-Collins; Jackson, Phipps; Goodrick-Clarke, Creevy, van der Merwe, Coleman, Simmons, Nott, Pearson, Rogerson (capt).

Replacements: Willemse, Dell, Hoskins, Mafi, Curtis-Harris, White, Jennings, Williams.

Sent off: Coleman (22 mins).

Saracens: Tries – Woolstencroft, Segun (2) Earl, M Vunipola; Conv: Lozowski (3); Pen: Lozowski

London Irish: Tries – Rowe (3), Phipps, Rogerson; Conv: Jennings (3); Pen: Jennings

Referee: Ian Tempest (RFU).

SARRIES' FRAILTIES ON SHOW AGAIN: IRISH TAKE ADVANTAGE
Posted by: TheSaracens.com (IP Logged)
Date: 07/11/2021 12:34

That's a beautifully written piece Philip and sums it up perfectly.
When you add that Irish also lost their playmaker, Paddy Jackson, midway through the first half, that performance was really unforgiveable.
Segun got a lot of plaudits but there were at least 2 breaks he made where he should have passed the ball but didn't and a try went begging. He needs to learn that rugby is a team game if he is to fulfill his undoubted potential.
Don't get me started on Obatoyinbo! Surely the number 1 pre-requisite for a full back is the ability to catch a ball!
Sarries frustratingly often ease up when they think they've won. Usually they get away with it, yesterday they didn't. Let's hope those 2 points that went begging don't cost us dear at the end of the season.
(no match photos yet - I'll add one later if and when they appear)



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Posted by: Sara'sman (IP Logged)
Date: 07/11/2021 13:24

An interesting and again well written "take". Travelling down to the game with a "neutral" friend who I've slowly been turning into a Sarries fan, he commented on how surprised he was in the Quins game as yet again unknown (to him) backup players just slotted into our team. My response was that I feared we'd reached the tipping point today - our backups perform exceptionally when stepping into a team of stars but gaps become greater when their numbers grow.

With hindsight, in my opinion, we had too many backups on the pitch for the last 20 minutes. But then the game was won, Irish were a man down and playing poorly, risk of injury increases towards the end as players tire, the season is long, and the need to give squad players experience and knowledge that coaches have faith in them has to be met. Mafi made a huge difference, the second try frightened our players as the defensive structure, lineout and discipline suffered. And Irish played so well - congratulations.

Good and bad: I was heartened by the deserved and widespread applause for that exceptional Irish try. Less so by some of the foul language around us in E2 accompanied by a sense of entitlement to the win and anger directed towards the players as we lost structure. Perhaps we supporters could also benefit by reflecting on those four words that Philip highlights.

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Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 07/11/2021 15:02

Another excellent match report although I disagree with some of the conclusions although certainly not what I think is the main one; that indiscipline is costing us in tight games. Tbh I can see why Mako is annoyed as Tempest is standing in the channel he wants to pass into, resulting in him having to pass it slightly forwards and the ball being spilled. That said whilst the frustration was forgivable to be marched back twice (I think it was Mako penalised both times) was less so.

Firstly I think you have to give huge credit to LI. We weren't beaten by a poor team because we played rubbish. We were beaten by an excellent team who showed massive character, determination and skill. For me at not point in the second half did it feel like we were playing against 14 which is a credit to LI and an issue for us.

Personally I also think there were a number of huge positives which shouldn't get lost in the result. Christie had an absolutely brilliant game (for me the turning point was his substitution) providing a secure option at lineout and great play around the field. That was a real coming of age performance for me (if hat isn't too patronising)
Segun was also great. An absolute menace in attack and generally good in defence.
Lewis was another who I thought stepped up well. The lineout was a major cause of our woes in the third quarter but he'd been on since about 20 minutes and until Christie went off and the subs (including lifters who weren't on the same page as Isiekwe it seemed) came on the lineout was working smoothly. He was also very good in the loose and was putting his body on the line right through to the 84th minute.

For me the game was "lost" in each half.
In the first a needless penalty for back-chat, Wrays ignorance of the rugby Laws and Van Zyl/Earl between them conspiring to not score a walk-in represented a big swing in points in a game where one would have been the difference. In the second when we needed to be controlling the game the loss of possession from the lineout lead to three tries. Even so that was less harmful than the number of players missing one-up tackles or giving away silly penalties for field possession.

I'm not sure I buy that a lack of depth or commitment lost that for us. I think a very good opposition team put in an exceptional performance and a game we should have won slipped away through things which are largely easy to address and hopefully fix. I also thought the game was pretty quiet. Maybe time for the "supporters" to step up their game too if we're asking that of the players?

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 08/11/2021 09:01

Fact is we weren’t playing that well when we were winning, two or three easy tries butchered and Irish were making comfortable progress with their limited possession.
I’m worried this could lead to a slump like we saw in 2017 when we lost the lead in several consecutive games (about 7 wasn’t it?) as confidence is a very precious commodity.
Thankfully the Premiership Cup gives the likes of Elliot O the chance to put things right away from the full glare of the premiership spotlight .

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Posted by: JimG (IP Logged)
Date: 08/11/2021 13:13

Weird that the first two comments here both choose to criticize the entrance fee paying public - even to the point of suggesting that those who do not reach the appropriate level of vociferousness in their support are not really "supporters" (your scare quotes not mine). In fact I quite enjoyed the last ten minutes or so when Irish were camped on our line. I had really feared that after the sending off, it was going to be another totally one-sided Wasps or worse, particularly as we are in the south stand so I didn't think I was going to be able to see anything (as an aside, the screens are terrible at StoneX if you are in the south stand - the one in the south west corner is obscured and the one in the north east corner is too small - I think this really ought to be addressed!). How wrong I was! Whilst I obviously wasn't thrilled with our second half performance, you have got to give a lot of credit to Irish and it made for a thrilling finish all carried out right under our noses.

I certainly wouldn't point back to Mako's petulance or even Loz's loss of radar though as being particularly relevant - these things happen in matches - what really did for us was a complete loss of discipline in attack and defence, caused in part by a sense that the game was already won, and the never say die attitude of the opposition. Momentum is a funny thing in rugby and once it is lost it is very hard to get back as we found to our detriment.

One thing I couldn't quite work out was what happened when the Irish player was bundled into touch on out 5 metre line towards the end after the cross kick. I thought it was going to be our throw in which we just had to secure in order to see off the last 70 seconds but instead they got a penalty.

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Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 08/11/2021 17:11

JimG everyone supports the team in their own way but we know from numerous comments from the players (and probably our own experiences of being at "noisy" games) that the positive crowd noise makes a big difference. You were at the game too did it not seem quiet to you? If we're talking about ways the team could improve is it beyond the pale to suggest as supporters we can help too?

There were a number of reasons that the team drew rather than won including a great performance from LI but I'm not clear why an avoidable penalty for back-chat and a miss from pretty much in front of the posts are less relevant than other failings? They're all things to be addressed. Did we lose discipline in attack and defence? or think the game was won? I'm not convinced on the first and doubt the later. The same player missed a first up tackle for two tries which is an individual error rather than a system one and as we played without the ball for the last twenty there wasn't much to see about our attacks discipline or otherwise. Till that point I thought it was going pretty well with, again, the failings being down to individual error rather than systemic. Just my view and very interested to hear how you saw it differently if you fancy sharing that.

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TheSaracens.com
Segun got a lot of plaudits but there were at least 2 breaks he made where he should have passed the ball but didn't and a try went begging.

I'm interested as to when you think those chances were? I'm a fan of his and think he's a brilliant talent so am not impartial but I don't remember anything close to him "Lewingtoning" a try-scoring chance. Chances when he could have given a pass, yes. Chances were he could have given other players a walk-in ...

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Posted by: Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
Date: 08/11/2021 19:26

Sorry OM can't remember chapter and verse and can't face watching it again!
Not walk-ins, no but definite scoring opportunities.
I remember Segun breaking from deep in his own half, using his electric pace and step to make good ground but then attracting defenders. Both times he backed himself to beat them (he didn't) when there was an overlap outside of him (in fairness probably created by Irish defenders homing in on him). Both times he looked then opted not to pass.
Yes he's fast but he needs to learn that his pace can create opportunities for others sometimes.

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Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 08/11/2021 20:56

Fair enough DG. I think both he and Tompkins are quite similar in they frequently get through defence where you'd think it's just not possible. Perhaps a bit guilty of not looking for the support once they've made the break as you say. Still it's a positive to build on that they're making the breaks!

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Posted by: JimG (IP Logged)
Date: 09/11/2021 08:41

[quote OldMarovian]JimG everyone supports the team in their own way but we know from numerous comments from the players (and probably our own experiences of being at "noisy" games) that the positive crowd noise makes a big difference. You were at the game too did it not seem quiet to you? If we're talking about ways the team could improve is it beyond the pale to suggest as supporters we can help too?

There were a number of reasons that the team drew rather than won including a great performance from LI but I'm not clear why an avoidable penalty for back-chat and a miss from pretty much in front of the posts are less relevant than other failings? They're all things to be addressed. Did we lose discipline in attack and defence? or think the game was won? I'm not convinced on the first and doubt the later. The same player missed a first up tackle for two tries which is an individual error rather than a system one and as we played without the ball for the last twenty there wasn't much to see about our attacks discipline or otherwise. Till that point I thought it was going pretty well with, again, the failings being down to individual error rather than systemic. Just my view and very interested to hear how you saw it differently if you fancy sharing that.

Firstly, i didn't realise that I had to worry about my own performance as well as the team's! I get nervous enough before a game as it is - I am not sure I can cope with the extra pressure.

In relation to the walkback, that occurred pretty early on in the game. Irish also missed two conversions (and a penalty?) but not sure anyone is suggesting that is what cost them the game, although the very gettable missed conversion from the penultimate try arguably did. Games ebb and flow and in the end Irish needed to score four tries in the last 20 minutes to reach us and they did that. If they had needed five tries, who is to say that they wouldn't have scored them. It was only in the last 5 minutes with our backs well and truly to to the wall that we showed a bit of fight.

When the Irish winger scored in the south west corner beating 4 or 5 of our defenders who were spread out through our back field - well yes you can blame individuals for missing tackles but how did we find ourselves in the position that he was running at pace at our defenders. With a man advantage we should be marking them one on one and keeping them on the gainline. That is lack of discipline. We also had two attacking lineouts where all we needed to do was secure the ball and keep it tight but instead opted for the big throw to the back of the line. There was no need.

Lastly, I am not saying that the players stopped trying but the fact that we made so many substitutions around the same time suggests to me that the coaching team thought that the game was won. I don't particularly blame them for this as it really should have been but this definitely contributed towards the momentum swing.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I am still not sure what led to the penalty in the corner when we bundled their player into touch. The ref also seemed determined to find infringements when we were defending - I really thought the game was over when their player dropped the ball over the line but again we were pinged for something and they scored their drawing try off the next play.

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Posted by: Barty II (IP Logged)
Date: 09/11/2021 09:26

Penalty towards the end with the player being bundled into touch - TMO asked Tempest to have a look at Obatoyinbo's "tackle" on the player who made the final pass out to the wing. It was a little bit late and there also wasn't any attempt to wrap, it was just a barge. Very similar to Vincent Koch's infringement against Quins. Was very soft but understand why it was given.

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Posted by: Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
Date: 09/11/2021 09:46

Thanks Daniel Davis for the photo

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Posted by: JimG (IP Logged)
Date: 09/11/2021 11:19

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Barty II
Penalty towards the end with the player being bundled into touch - TMO asked Tempest to have a look at Obatoyinbo's "tackle" on the player who made the final pass out to the wing. It was a little bit late and there also wasn't any attempt to wrap, it was just a barge. Very similar to Vincent Koch's infringement against Quins. Was very soft but understand why it was given.

Thanks - Elliot O had a bit of a shocker all round!

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Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 09/11/2021 17:05

Interesting reply JimG.

I'm still not really sure why some penalties and/or mistakes are just on of those things and others are an issue? For me giving away a penalty for backchat is as bad as, arguably worse than missing a one-up tackle you should make. Maybe it doesn't even matter as just as you say LI had numerous chances to win it I'd guess you could look at any number of incidents for us where the same is true.

Maybe I'm being overly positive or unrealistic but watching the game back I just didn't see this implosion that many felt happened when the bench came on. Nor a lack of effort. It's certainly disappointing to "lose" against 14 having been many points up but I'd have happily taken a point before the game on the basis that the decent LI showed up so I guess I'm a bit more sanguine about the result.

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Posted by: jonnybrowne (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2021 09:59

Interesting report and a good read as always, Innings, but I’m a bit puzzled as to your logic in linking the two upcoming Cup games with a potential hangover from the Irish match in the Premiership - very different competitions and likely to feature markedly different Sarries line-ups.

Yes, there have been some teething problems as we’ve returned to the Premiership - the previous “switch-offs” against Bath, Falcons and Wasps, bits of ill-discipline - but I think to suggest that we’re heading into a 2017-style losing streak Is a little dramatic.



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Posted by: jonnybrowne (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2021 11:27

Quote:
OldMarovian
Interesting reply JimG.
I'm still not really sure why some penalties and/or mistakes are just on of those things and others are an issue? For me giving away a penalty for backchat is as bad as, arguably worse than missing a one-up tackle you should make. Maybe it doesn't even matter as just as you say LI had numerous chances to win it I'd guess you could look at any number of incidents for us where the same is true.

Maybe I'm being overly positive or unrealistic but watching the game back I just didn't see
this implosion that many felt happened when the bench came on. Nor a lack of effort. It's certainly disappointing to "lose" against 14 having been many points up but I'd have happily taken a point before the game on the basis that the decent LI showed up so I guess I'm a bit more sanguine about the result.

With the hindsight of a few days I’m inclined to take it as “one of those games” - we didn’t perform that brilliantly all game and did switch off for a spell as we’ve done in previous matches (without significant cost prior to this
one) but in the latter stages Irish deserve credit for doing what any other side should do with arguably their best player off injured, a red-carded man down and losing by 26 points - go for it, shackles off and take your chances.



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