QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
By The Saracens
June 8 2022
We approach journey’s end on our road to redemption. As yet we cannot see where that will be. We have travelled along highways and country lanes, over hills and through valleys. We have crawled along in traffic jams and sped across motorways and now we have reached our final ascent. The summit is still hidden from us and the climb is steep but we are moving ever onward, ever upward together. Standing in our way are our London rivals, Harlequins. I doubt if any of us would have chosen them as semi-final opponents but that’s how the cards have fallen.
Quins are reigning champions and will not let go of that prize without one hell of a fight. Thy are comeback kings supreme - one has only to look at what happened to Bristol at Ashton Gate last year or to Exeter in the final. Quins never know when they are beaten. Sarries will need to play every one of the entire 80 minutes. If we are ahead there must be no easing off at the end, no mass substitutions. Quins are never beaten until the final whistle has blown. Sarries have won all 3 encounters between the 2 clubs this season, 2 in the league and 1 in the Premiership Cup. In fact Quins haven’t beaten Sarries since the 2 clubs met at The Stoop in January 2020. But history means nothing. This is a knock-out game and both teams start as equals.
Quins are a class outfit. In Esterhuizen and Marchand they probably have the best centre pairing in the Premiership complemented by the pace of Louis Lynagh on the wing. In Danny Care they have the form scrum half and of course in Marcus Smith, the “saviour” of English rugby. The match up between the half back pairings is one of many mouth-watering prospects to come. Quins have a strong pack anchored by the legendary Joe Marler at loose head and Wilco Louw at Tighthead. Sarrie-to-be Hugh Tizard packs down at lock and the under-rated Alex Dombrandt links up superbly with Smith.
The 2 DORs took different attitudes to match preparation. Neither side could realistically better their position last week so MMc went to Castle Grim with a second string side (honourable exception to Max Malins) and took a beating while Tabai Matson selected a stronger team which eventually lost to Exeter at Sandy Park in a 13 try thriller. Whose tactics will be correct?
Much has been made in the press that Quins are a good weather team, that their style of rugby suits summer pitches. They seem to forget that our pitch effectively allows Sarries to play ‘summer rugby’ whenever they want to. Quins have scored 2 more tries than Sarries (95 v 93) but Sarries are the top points scorers suggesting they have more of a pragmatic “all court” approach to rugby. Not always as flamboyant but effective.
Sarries have an almost fully fit and rested squad. However it can take a while for the team to gel in this sort of situation. That can’t happen on Saturday, Quins are far too good a team not to exploit that weakness. Sarries have a very good and experienced squad. Maybe there isn’t quite the backup on the bench as in days of yore but what we have is quality. In Max Malins we have the Premiership’s top try scorer. Theo McFarland is by far the best emerging talent in the league. Owen Farrell remains the current England captain and is the Edmund Hillary to lead Sarries up this particular Everest. Maro Itoje is just world class. Loz was in contention for the Golden Boot but probably won’t start and almost certainly won’t kick a ball. Quins may have a starry centre pairing but Tompkins and Daly run them close. Oh and not forgetting the Premiership Player of the season Ben Earl (well done him). I suspect this will be one of the easier team selections for MMc!
Sarries need to be mindful of Quins trickery. They will look to exploit Faz’s ‘suspect’ tackling, wind up Mako and Billy, use every one of the dark arts that lie buried in the scrum ( hopefully Vincent is now well versed in these after a season in the championship). Yellow or God forbid, red cards could be pivotal. Luke Pearce has the honour of keeping these 2 teams in check, assisted by Christophe Ridley and Anthony Woodthorpe. TMO is Ian Tempest. So good luck to them, then!
Let’s remember the words of Sir Clive Woodward. Before any game, when comparing the 2 teams, he said “there’s nobody I’d swap man for man” (OK we all know the Austin Healey/Jonah Lomu rider!) Seriously, is there a single Quin we would want in the Sarries 15 on Saturday?
And finally, it’s down to all of us to play our part: to be that 16th man we saw so effectively at the Stade Felix Mayol. Every one of those Toulon players grew 2” taller and 6” wider with that crowd behind them. We need to be behind our boys on Saturday like never before. Make home advantage pay. Be that extra player. Let’s push the boys up that mountain and on to Twickenham.
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We look forward to seeing you all this Saturday, 11th June for the Gallagher Premiership Semi-Final, 13:30 Kick off.
Please note, we are aware of some travel disruptions that may affect your journey to StoneX Stadium on Saturday - please read the below carefully and plan your journey accordingly.
There are planned track closures on the Northern Line on Saturday 11th June between Archway and High Barnet which will affect the operation of our usual match day shuttle buses. A 'line of route' rail replacement bus will be in operation between Archway and High Barnet, but will be calling at all stations EXCEPT Mill Hill East.
We therefore highly recommend that fans avoid Mill Hill East station and make your way to the stadium via Edgware or Mill Hill Broadway stations to access the Saracens Shuttle instead.
Many thanks, and we look forward to seeing you on Saturday.
Saracens Supporter Services
2 Jamie George
3 Vincent Koch
4 Maro Itoje
5 Tim Swinson
6 Theo McFarland
7 Ben Earl
8 Billy Vunipola
9 Aled Davies
10 Owen Farrell (c)
11 Max Malins
12 Nick Tompkins
13 Elliot Daly
14 Sean Maitland
15 Alex Goode
Replacements:
16 Kapeli Pifeleti
17 Eroni Mawi
18 Alec Clarey
19 Nick Isiekwe
20 Andy Christie
21 Ivan van Zyl
22 Alex Lozowski
23 Duncan Taylor
1. Joe Marler
2. Jack Walker
3. Will Collier
4. Matt Symons
5. Hugh Tizard
6. Stephan Lewies (captain)
7. Will Evans
8. Alex Dombrandt
9. Danny Care
10. Marcus Smith
11. Cadan Murley
12. Andre Esterhuizen
13. Joe Marchant
14. Tyrone Green
15. Huw Jones
Impact Players
16. Joe Gray
17. Simon Kerrod
18. Wilco Louw
19. Matas Jurevicius
20. Tom Lawday
21. Lewis Gjaltema
22. Tommy Allan
23. Luke Northmore
Mark does tend to go for experience in the big games so maybe I shouldn’t have been surprised!
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Did I see that Alex Goode has now started our last 41 consecutive knock out matches? Absolutely astonishing if true
He didn't play in the Championship ones against Ealing!
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Did I see that Alex Goode has now started our last 41 consecutive knock out matches? Absolutely astonishing if true
He didn't play in the Championship ones against Ealing!
Loved to see Earls getting a big one over Quins (the embrace between he and Malins at the end was not lost on this Bros supporter!).
Thought Farrell was different gravy and as much as dislike his homophobic views, Billy V was immense today.
Hope for Leicester in the final.
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Congratulations Sarries.
Loved to see Earls getting a big one over Quins (the embrace between he and Malins at the end was not lost on this Bros supporter!).
Thought Farrell was different gravy and as much as dislike his homophobic views, Billy V was immense today.
His Christian views, not entirely certain he’s ever said or typed anything homophobic. His support of a fellow Christian’s views are a well known thing but that’s freedom of expression and speech for you.
Some awesome defence at times although Owen and Max will not want to see their missed tackles again.
Our efficiency in their 22 was excellent and the set piece held up well.
Hats off to Nick I for a couple of crucial steals.
Very surprised by three of the yellow cards, more so that a couple of Quins cheap shots in the melees weren’t investigated further.
But credit to Quins and their fans who made it a fantastic occasion and showed they were fully deserving of their champion status
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Owen was immense, Mari too, Ben showed why he is Prem Player of the Season and Isy made such a difference when he came on - he should start next week.
We watched the players come back to the sheds at full time. Joe Shaw just said “How good was that?!” As we walked back to the car it takes us past the changing sheds and all we could here was the Tiki Tonga! Well done lads, one more next week. Whatever happens, you’ve done us proud as usual.
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What a game and atmosphere today! Great support from both sets of supporters. I did think Pearce missed a lot of offences and I couldn’t work out the Loz yellow. My son has watched highlights and it sounds as if the TMo had a big hand in talking Pearce into the cards.
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But bizarrely not into looking at the punches on Farrell.
Know it means nothing if we don’t win next week, but that was very very satisfying.
Good noise from the @#$%& stadium too.
Well done McCall and Co. The rest week call looked vindicated.
I wasn't sure about certain selections but Isiekwe in particular coming of the bench felt like a game-changer. Possibly literally by denying Quins a try and the momentum that would have come with that.
Incredibly impressed with the whole teams discipline and Farrells calm manner under severe provocation.
Tbh it was just such a fabulous team effort to watch. It really shows the bond they have that they go to the well over and over again no matter the odds.
Too many players to mention in terms of excellent performances. Earl rightly MotM. I thought Jamie George was quietly brilliant getting through a big shift carrying and in defence. Billy and Mako great getting us go forward. Farrell controlled things beautifully although as said above he won't want to see his tackle on Smith or his butchering of a 5/2 overlap again! Mawi great when he came on too. The maul turnover was ultimately down to him rather than the credited Maro and he steadied the scrum and carried hard.
Lovely scenes at the end with Earl and Malins hugging (and putting to bed last years nightmare)
I felt Pearce had a good game as did Tempest (unusually) For me all four cards where called right but I could easily see them being called differently. We simply can't afford to hold ourselves as hostage to fortune like that in the final. For me there's some mitigation for Billy but both Daly and Lozos were simply dumb. Plenty of time to go low and still smash the man.
Quite a few unhappy Quins supporters complaining about the result.
Ultimately they're supposed to be the most devastating team in the last twenty minutes. In this game they played the last 24 against 14 men and 3 of those against 13 when they scored their solitary try. In the same time Sarries scored a converted one. If they want to look at reasons for failure it starts there.
Well done Daly too. Would've been Quins best player had Murley not been playing.
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Well done Daly too. Would've been Quins best player had Murley not been playing.
I would say Loz deserved his place but he got a yellow too!
Not putting Malins in for a try. His usual abject defence etc
It is genuinely inexplicable to me what the coaching team see in him. He's worth 10 points to the opposition most games recently in opportunities he blows and tackles he doesn't make.
Ofc he has good and great moments but the (edit) mistakes outweigh them. He simply isn't worth a spot in the 23.
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Loz had one terrible moment. Daly had a game full of them.
Not putting Malins in for a try. His usual abject defence etc
It is genuinely inexplicable to me what the coaching team see in him. He's worth 10 points to the opposition most games recently in opportunities he blows and tackles he doesn't make.
Ofc he has good and great moments but the dross outweigh them. He simply isn't worth a spot in the 23.
Let me explain it to you then. The coaching team know what they're talking about and you don't. Your usual knocking Daly at every opportunity is getting extremely tedious and uninformed to put it mildly. I note that your support for EO, admirable as it may have been, was also misplaced as was demonstrated at the end of the match by his inclusion in the list of departures. To describe Daly as dross is ridiculous.
Obatoyinbo is a young player at the start of his career and as such you expect there top be a learning curve. As long as that type of player shows commitment and a desire and ability to improve (things that have improved massively for him this season) then I think they deserve some latitude when looking at their performances. Too many on here who frequently write off our young players after a poor game or two do so whilst comparing them to our senior Internationals.
Daly is an International and a Lion. As such he should have a fairly base level of excellence which he gets judged against. He doesn't. If you can't see that over the past two months then any analysis of a rugby game is probably lost on you.
I think Daly is an incredibly talented "sportsman" one of those blessed few who are naturally good at most sports they turn their hands to. I think he could have been absolutely World class and a huge asset to Sarries and England.
Simple fact is though that he isn't and a large part of that is that IMO he "coasts" on that talent rather than challenges it. If he had Farrells ethic or Tompkins heart he would fulfil his potential and then some.
Yup the coaches definitely know more than I will ever know and yet I have eyes and in the past two months he's "cost" the team more than he's created in every game he's played.
You're right it's tedious to keep banging on so I will try very hard not to post about him unless he does something good in future. We've a huge Final game coming up and there'd be no better stage for him to actually show his full ability.
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Loz had one terrible moment. Daly had a game full of them.
Ofc he has good and great moments but the (edit) mistakes outweigh them. He simply isn't worth a spot in the 23.
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What? He did fine yesterday?
Our fans were in the mix, just not as loud.
Was this down to where they placed the microphones, i.e. near pockets of Quins fans, or was it like that at the game.
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Seems to me the Quinn’s fans were chanting when the ball was out of play which made them sound louder
Given how often they tried to create stoppages in play in the first half it's no wonder they were so audible!
Have to say that on TV they did sound very noisy and in that regard the travelling support did themselves proud.
What are we going to do now?
Only thing we need to work on is our tackle technique. The only one I thought perhaps a touch harsh was Billy’s as Esterhuizen closed the gap very quickly and Billy was more pushing back and it was arguable whether it was neck rather than collarbone.
Onwards and upwards to a massive clash with Leicester. I think it will be very close up front but I think our backs do have more cutting edge than Leicester’s so am hoping for a decent win.
If Danny Care is the answer, the question must be "Who's available for a match of no consequence other than raising finance?"
It's a long time since Sports network paid anything!
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