QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS


By The Saracens
June 8 2022

We approach journey’s end on our road to redemption. As yet we cannot see where that will be. We have travelled along highways and country lanes, over hills and through valleys. We have crawled along in traffic jams and sped across motorways and now we have reached our final ascent. The summit is still hidden from us and the climb is steep but we are moving ever onward, ever upward together. Standing in our way are our London rivals, Harlequins. I doubt if any of us would have chosen them as semi-final opponents but that’s how the cards have fallen.

Quins are reigning champions and will not let go of that prize without one hell of a fight. Thy are comeback kings supreme - one has only to look at what happened to Bristol at Ashton Gate last year or to Exeter in the final. Quins never know when they are beaten. Sarries will need to play every one of the entire 80 minutes. If we are ahead there must be no easing off at the end, no mass substitutions. Quins are never beaten until the final whistle has blown. Sarries have won all 3 encounters between the 2 clubs this season, 2 in the league and 1 in the Premiership Cup. In fact Quins haven’t beaten Sarries since the 2 clubs met at The Stoop in January 2020. But history means nothing. This is a knock-out game and both teams start as equals.

Quins are a class outfit. In Esterhuizen and Marchand they probably have the best centre pairing in the Premiership complemented by the pace of Louis Lynagh on the wing. In Danny Care they have the form scrum half and of course in Marcus Smith, the “saviour” of English rugby. The match up between the half back pairings is one of many mouth-watering prospects to come. Quins have a strong pack anchored by the legendary Joe Marler at loose head and Wilco Louw at Tighthead. Sarrie-to-be Hugh Tizard packs down at lock and the under-rated Alex Dombrandt links up superbly with Smith.

The 2 DORs took different attitudes to match preparation. Neither side could realistically better their position last week so MMc went to Castle Grim with a second string side (honourable exception to Max Malins) and took a beating while Tabai Matson selected a stronger team which eventually lost to Exeter at Sandy Park in a 13 try thriller. Whose tactics will be correct?

Much has been made in the press that Quins are a good weather team, that their style of rugby suits summer pitches. They seem to forget that our pitch effectively allows Sarries to play ‘summer rugby’ whenever they want to. Quins have scored 2 more tries than Sarries (95 v 93) but Sarries are the top points scorers suggesting they have more of a pragmatic “all court” approach to rugby. Not always as flamboyant but effective.

Sarries have an almost fully fit and rested squad. However it can take a while for the team to gel in this sort of situation. That can’t happen on Saturday, Quins are far too good a team not to exploit that weakness. Sarries have a very good and experienced squad. Maybe there isn’t quite the backup on the bench as in days of yore but what we have is quality. In Max Malins we have the Premiership’s top try scorer. Theo McFarland is by far the best emerging talent in the league. Owen Farrell remains the current England captain and is the Edmund Hillary to lead Sarries up this particular Everest. Maro Itoje is just world class. Loz was in contention for the Golden Boot but probably won’t start and almost certainly won’t kick a ball. Quins may have a starry centre pairing but Tompkins and Daly run them close. Oh and not forgetting the Premiership Player of the season Ben Earl (well done him). I suspect this will be one of the easier team selections for MMc!

Sarries need to be mindful of Quins trickery. They will look to exploit Faz’s ‘suspect’ tackling, wind up Mako and Billy, use every one of the dark arts that lie buried in the scrum ( hopefully Vincent is now well versed in these after a season in the championship). Yellow or God forbid, red cards could be pivotal. Luke Pearce has the honour of keeping these 2 teams in check, assisted by Christophe Ridley and Anthony Woodthorpe. TMO is Ian Tempest. So good luck to them, then!

Let’s remember the words of Sir Clive Woodward. Before any game, when comparing the 2 teams, he said “there’s nobody I’d swap man for man” (OK we all know the Austin Healey/Jonah Lomu rider!) Seriously, is there a single Quin we would want in the Sarries 15 on Saturday?

And finally, it’s down to all of us to play our part: to be that 16th man we saw so effectively at the Stade Felix Mayol. Every one of those Toulon players grew 2” taller and 6” wider with that crowd behind them. We need to be behind our boys on Saturday like never before. Make home advantage pay. Be that extra player. Let’s push the boys up that mountain and on to Twickenham.

QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
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Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: ninjafez (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2022 09:59

Who needs some motivation for this to be loud this weekend... Not Me but boy this gets me going!!

'There are more intimidating grounds than Saracens' - [www.bbc.co.uk]

can't wait!!

Ninjafez - supporting Sarries and cleaning their signs since 2006!



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Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: nedrichards (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2022 11:52

I mean, that is factually true. But you can't play Clermont, Munster or Cornish Pirates in the Premiership Semi-finals ;-)

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: Eric Browett (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2022 13:26

We need to be vocal on Saturday. Rekindle the atmosphere of the match against Racing in the week when we were stitched up and given the 105 point reduction because we looked like escaping the drop. That day we were very loud throughout the whole match.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: LutonS (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2022 14:10

In case anyone doesn't get the messages from the club:


We look forward to seeing you all this Saturday, 11th June for the Gallagher Premiership Semi-Final, 13:30 Kick off.

Please note, we are aware of some travel disruptions that may affect your journey to StoneX Stadium on Saturday - please read the below carefully and plan your journey accordingly.

There are planned track closures on the Northern Line on Saturday 11th June between Archway and High Barnet which will affect the operation of our usual match day shuttle buses. A 'line of route' rail replacement bus will be in operation between Archway and High Barnet, but will be calling at all stations EXCEPT Mill Hill East.

We therefore highly recommend that fans avoid Mill Hill East station and make your way to the stadium via Edgware or Mill Hill Broadway stations to access the Saracens Shuttle instead.

Many thanks, and we look forward to seeing you on Saturday.

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Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: GazzaFez (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 12:02

1 Mako Vunipola

2 Jamie George

3 Vincent Koch

4 Maro Itoje

5 Tim Swinson

6 Theo McFarland

7 Ben Earl

8 Billy Vunipola

9 Aled Davies

10 Owen Farrell (c)

11 Max Malins

12 Nick Tompkins

13 Elliot Daly

14 Sean Maitland

15 Alex Goode

Replacements:

16 Kapeli Pifeleti

17 Eroni Mawi

18 Alec Clarey

19 Nick Isiekwe

20 Andy Christie

21 Ivan van Zyl

22 Alex Lozowski

23 Duncan Taylor

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: sodslaw (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 12:06

I don't know how it could look any better than that.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: sodslaw (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 12:10

Harlequins Starting XV

1. Joe Marler

2. Jack Walker

3. Will Collier

4. Matt Symons

5. Hugh Tizard

6. Stephan Lewies (captain)

7. Will Evans

8. Alex Dombrandt

9. Danny Care

10. Marcus Smith

11. Cadan Murley

12. Andre Esterhuizen

13. Joe Marchant

14. Tyrone Green

15. Huw Jones

Impact Players

16. Joe Gray

17. Simon Kerrod

18. Wilco Louw

19. Matas Jurevicius

20. Tom Lawday

21. Lewis Gjaltema

22. Tommy Allan

23. Luke Northmore

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: GazzaFez (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 12:12

No shocks in that selection we can safely say. Swinson over Isiekwe is an interesting call but having Nick on the bench gives cover at both lock and back row. Loz and Duncan were fairly obvious choices on the bench as well. We never knew if Maitland would be fit or not, so Roti was probably unlucky in that respect. Christie over Wray in another big call for the bench but I do think Andy has earned his slot. Either way, that's about as strong a 23 as we can possibly manage right now.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: Strangelove (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 12:52

Agree, great side. I would have started Nick I at lock - he has been awesome as ever. Daly gets more of the ball at centre, so I can see why they have kept that partnership. Great to have Andy back on the bench, he has been superb this season. I would like to see us not get involved in any winding up from Quins and also to Quins players. We must be soooo disciplined - if we are, I think we can do it. Good luck lads!

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: Duncan96 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 17:29

So looks like Lynagh was injured vs Exeter and misses the semi. I think that settles the argument as to whether we put out the right side against Gloucester

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 18:27

Possibly a big risk playing Max and Sean with their hamstring injuries so Roti incredibly unlucky to miss out. Surprised too to see Swinson ahead of Nick as Quins not a team that maul excessively.
Mark does tend to go for experience in the big games so maybe I shouldn’t have been surprised!

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 18:33

Did I see that Alex Goode has now started our last 41 consecutive knock out matches? Absolutely astonishing if true

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: AP (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 21:02

Quote:
The Bard
Did I see that Alex Goode has now started our last 41 consecutive knock out matches? Absolutely astonishing if true

He didn't play in the Championship ones against Ealing!

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: AP (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 21:03

Jackson Wray still recovering from the head knock?

Successful hills are here to stay
Everything must be this way
Gentle streets where people play
Welcome to the Soft Parade

🌻🌻🌻

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 21:29

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AP
Quote:
The Bard
Did I see that Alex Goode has now started our last 41 consecutive knock out matches? Absolutely astonishing if true

He didn't play in the Championship ones against Ealing!
He did!

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: Harrow Sarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2022 23:31

Yes, didn't he and Tompkins both return for duty with Sarries when the Champ was still running and their respective teams/leagues had completed?

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: Sit_Down (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2022 15:55

Congratulations Sarries.

Loved to see Earls getting a big one over Quins (the embrace between he and Malins at the end was not lost on this Bros supporter!).

Thought Farrell was different gravy and as much as dislike his homophobic views, Billy V was immense today.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: ComeOnSarries (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2022 16:26

Wasn’t able to be at the StoneX today but caught most of the game on radio 5. Sounds like a belter although I hope we are practicing tackling lower this week as that really could have cost us big time. I look forward to seeing the highlights in due course.

Hope for Leicester in the final.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: Nosher1979 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2022 19:59

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Sit_Down
Congratulations Sarries.
Loved to see Earls getting a big one over Quins (the embrace between he and Malins at the end was not lost on this Bros supporter!).

Thought Farrell was different gravy and as much as dislike his homophobic views, Billy V was immense today.

His Christian views, not entirely certain he’s ever said or typed anything homophobic. His support of a fellow Christian’s views are a well known thing but that’s freedom of expression and speech for you.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2022 20:28

What an epic encounter. Our extra week off looked like it had backfired badly in the first 10 minutes but thankfully we got a foothold with Quins still in sight.
Some awesome defence at times although Owen and Max will not want to see their missed tackles again.
Our efficiency in their 22 was excellent and the set piece held up well.
Hats off to Nick I for a couple of crucial steals.
Very surprised by three of the yellow cards, more so that a couple of Quins cheap shots in the melees weren’t investigated further.
But credit to Quins and their fans who made it a fantastic occasion and showed they were fully deserving of their champion status



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Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: Strangelove (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2022 21:52

What a game and atmosphere today! Great support from both sets of supporters. I did think Pearce missed a lot of offences and I couldn’t work out the Loz yellow. My son has watched highlights and it sounds as if the TMo had a big hand in talking Pearce into the cards.

Owen was immense, Mari too, Ben showed why he is Prem Player of the Season and Isy made such a difference when he came on - he should start next week.

We watched the players come back to the sheds at full time. Joe Shaw just said “How good was that?!” As we walked back to the car it takes us past the changing sheds and all we could here was the Tiki Tonga! Well done lads, one more next week. Whatever happens, you’ve done us proud as usual.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: #wolfpack1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2022 22:09

Quote:
Strangelove
What a game and atmosphere today! Great support from both sets of supporters. I did think Pearce missed a lot of offences and I couldn’t work out the Loz yellow. My son has watched highlights and it sounds as if the TMo had a big hand in talking Pearce into the cards.
.

But bizarrely not into looking at the punches on Farrell.

Know it means nothing if we don’t win next week, but that was very very satisfying.

Good noise from the @#$%& stadium too.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2022 22:30

What an exceptional performance by the team. Well done lads enjoy the beers but remember there's a game next week!

Well done McCall and Co. The rest week call looked vindicated.
I wasn't sure about certain selections but Isiekwe in particular coming of the bench felt like a game-changer. Possibly literally by denying Quins a try and the momentum that would have come with that.
Incredibly impressed with the whole teams discipline and Farrells calm manner under severe provocation.
Tbh it was just such a fabulous team effort to watch. It really shows the bond they have that they go to the well over and over again no matter the odds.
Too many players to mention in terms of excellent performances. Earl rightly MotM. I thought Jamie George was quietly brilliant getting through a big shift carrying and in defence. Billy and Mako great getting us go forward. Farrell controlled things beautifully although as said above he won't want to see his tackle on Smith or his butchering of a 5/2 overlap again! Mawi great when he came on too. The maul turnover was ultimately down to him rather than the credited Maro and he steadied the scrum and carried hard.
Lovely scenes at the end with Earl and Malins hugging (and putting to bed last years nightmare)

I felt Pearce had a good game as did Tempest (unusually) For me all four cards where called right but I could easily see them being called differently. We simply can't afford to hold ourselves as hostage to fortune like that in the final. For me there's some mitigation for Billy but both Daly and Lozos were simply dumb. Plenty of time to go low and still smash the man.

Quite a few unhappy Quins supporters complaining about the result.
Ultimately they're supposed to be the most devastating team in the last twenty minutes. In this game they played the last 24 against 14 men and 3 of those against 13 when they scored their solitary try. In the same time Sarries scored a converted one. If they want to look at reasons for failure it starts there.

Well done Daly too. Would've been Quins best player had Murley not been playing.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: TommyKentish (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2022 22:37

Quote:
OldMarovian
Well done Daly too. Would've been Quins best player had Murley not been playing.

I would say Loz deserved his place but he got a yellow too!

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2022 22:54

Loz had one terrible moment. Daly had a game full of them.
Not putting Malins in for a try. His usual abject defence etc
It is genuinely inexplicable to me what the coaching team see in him. He's worth 10 points to the opposition most games recently in opportunities he blows and tackles he doesn't make.
Ofc he has good and great moments but the (edit) mistakes outweigh them. He simply isn't worth a spot in the 23.



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Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: GazzaFez (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 00:29

Quote:
OldMarovian
Loz had one terrible moment. Daly had a game full of them.
Not putting Malins in for a try. His usual abject defence etc
It is genuinely inexplicable to me what the coaching team see in him. He's worth 10 points to the opposition most games recently in opportunities he blows and tackles he doesn't make.
Ofc he has good and great moments but the dross outweigh them. He simply isn't worth a spot in the 23.

Let me explain it to you then. The coaching team know what they're talking about and you don't. Your usual knocking Daly at every opportunity is getting extremely tedious and uninformed to put it mildly. I note that your support for EO, admirable as it may have been, was also misplaced as was demonstrated at the end of the match by his inclusion in the list of departures. To describe Daly as dross is ridiculous.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 07:34

Gazzafez I have edited that comment as you're absolutely right it was out of order.

Obatoyinbo is a young player at the start of his career and as such you expect there top be a learning curve. As long as that type of player shows commitment and a desire and ability to improve (things that have improved massively for him this season) then I think they deserve some latitude when looking at their performances. Too many on here who frequently write off our young players after a poor game or two do so whilst comparing them to our senior Internationals.

Daly is an International and a Lion. As such he should have a fairly base level of excellence which he gets judged against. He doesn't. If you can't see that over the past two months then any analysis of a rugby game is probably lost on you.

I think Daly is an incredibly talented "sportsman" one of those blessed few who are naturally good at most sports they turn their hands to. I think he could have been absolutely World class and a huge asset to Sarries and England.
Simple fact is though that he isn't and a large part of that is that IMO he "coasts" on that talent rather than challenges it. If he had Farrells ethic or Tompkins heart he would fulfil his potential and then some.

Yup the coaches definitely know more than I will ever know and yet I have eyes and in the past two months he's "cost" the team more than he's created in every game he's played.
You're right it's tedious to keep banging on so I will try very hard not to post about him unless he does something good in future. We've a huge Final game coming up and there'd be no better stage for him to actually show his full ability.



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Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: TommyKentish (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 08:45

I don’t think Daly coasts at all. He’s incredibly driven, that the reason he came to us in the first place and you can see that Faz loves playing with him for that reason. If anything I think he’s been trying too hard and forcing things in an attempt to get himself out of a rut. Don’t forget he’s been mucked about by England playing him out of position for years too, that’s got to affect your confidence when you get exposed in a position as visible as 15.

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Posted by: #wolfpack1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 08:45

Quote:
OldMarovian
Loz had one terrible moment. Daly had a game full of them.
Ofc he has good and great moments but the (edit) mistakes outweigh them. He simply isn't worth a spot in the 23.

??

What? He did fine yesterday?

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: Duncan96 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 10:23

I'm working "up north" this weekend so have only just caught up with the game. Until the last 10 minutes on the TV coverage Quins fans were much louder than we were.

Our fans were in the mix, just not as loud.

Was this down to where they placed the microphones, i.e. near pockets of Quins fans, or was it like that at the game.

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Posted by: Eric Browett (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 10:57

Duncan, I hope it was the microphone set up because I went home with a very hoarse voice and we were 'on it' in the North Stand for most of the match. Fair play to Quins' fans though, we could hear them and it was often when they started we responded and tried to drown them out.

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Posted by: TommyKentish (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 11:24

It didn’t seem that way in the East stand, yes there were a lot of Quins fans who were making a lot of noise by the always got drowned out fairly quickly.

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Posted by: OTsarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 12:28

Seems to me the Quinn’s fans were chanting when the ball was out of play which made them sound louder . We saved the noise for when it mattered …

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 12:51

Quote:
OTsarrie
Seems to me the Quinn’s fans were chanting when the ball was out of play which made them sound louder

Given how often they tried to create stoppages in play in the first half it's no wonder they were so audible!

Have to say that on TV they did sound very noisy and in that regard the travelling support did themselves proud.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: tpr's headmistress (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 13:26

Their hanging around before the line out, while being told to get on with it, reminded me of a Spike Milligan sketch.

What are we going to do now?

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: ComeOnSarries (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 19:25

A bit late to the party I have finally watched the match and I think it was a totally committed performance in which we dominated the collision area and shut down Quins again and again. It was what I expected but it was still great to see. I didn’t see one single weak performance and there was a combination of strength and not a little skill at times. We definitely won the aerial battle. Ben with his three tries definitely deserved the MoTM but there were so many other major contributions.
Only thing we need to work on is our tackle technique. The only one I thought perhaps a touch harsh was Billy’s as Esterhuizen closed the gap very quickly and Billy was more pushing back and it was arguable whether it was neck rather than collarbone.
Onwards and upwards to a massive clash with Leicester. I think it will be very close up front but I think our backs do have more cutting edge than Leicester’s so am hoping for a decent win.

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: TonyTaff (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2022 19:46

[www.theguardian.com]

If Danny Care is the answer, the question must be "Who's available for a match of no consequence other than raising finance?"

It's a long time since Sports network paid anything!

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: LutonS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2022 08:05

I was wondering if the question actually was

"Who do I not want to see playing 9 for the Barbarians?"

Re: QUINS PREVIEW, TEAM SELECTION & MATCH COMMENTS
Posted by: myleftboot (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2022 08:17

Bang on LutonS. After Ashy shamed him not so long back, looks like a "blocking" move!

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