SARRIES v SAINTS: please post match related content here


By The Saracens
December 19 2024

After a very successful European interlude we return to the Gallagher Premiership this weekend for the “festive” fixture against our old “friends” from up the M1, Northampton Saints. Saints are of course also in our European Group (although the way the rules are we don’t actually play them) and if anything had an even more successful time defeating Castres at home and then hanging in against at wasteful Vodacom Bulls side out on the high veld before cashing in on the South Africans’ generosity with a bonus point win.

I find it hard to believe therefore that Saints are currently 8th in the Premiership, 10 points behind Sarries, having won just 3 of their 8 games and with 3 defeats in their last 4 games including a first loss in 17 months at Franklin’s Gardens (to Gloucester). Saints, like Sarries, lost a lot of players to the Autumn Internationals and have had to manage their return. They suffered a big blow last weekend when captain George Furbank broke his arm. On the plus side, Alex Mitchell is back and firing on all cylinders making up potentially the most exciting half-back pairing in the Premiership alongside Finn Smith. The Saints backs are dangerous, even without Furbank, and include Fraser Dingwall, George Hendy & last season’s top try-scorer Ollie Sleightholme. Former Sarries Callum Hunter-Hill features among the forwards who if less star-studded, are distinctly effective. Saints’ Director of Rugby Phil Dowson and Head Coach Sam Vesty have made a pretty good job of bringing on a young Saints’ Squad after the departure of the likes of Courtney Lawes and Lewis Ludlam in the summer.

Sarries win in Paris may have come at a price. Nick Isiekwe’s concussion almost certainly means he will be missing while Marco Riccioni looked to have damaged his ribs. We could be a bit short in the 2nd row! Assuming Tizard is still absent (and this really is getting silly for everyone not least Hugh himself) MMc may be forced to go with Theo and Maro at lock which isn’t a combination that seems to work too well or get the best out of Theo (and he is a player we need at his best). Would we risk Sodeke or Eke in a game like this? It would be a huge call. Otherwise I assume Gonzalez, Earl and Willis will make up the back row. We should go with our strongest front row possible: Carre, Jamie and Riccioni if fit. On the positive side Sanjay (aka Liam Williams) looked like he’d never been away and I expect to see him in the starting 15 more often than not (whether at the expense of Elliott or Segun is the question). Fergus is getting better and better and I presume will start alongside Van Zyl with Daly at fullback and Tompkins and Cinti in the centres.

Saints have won the last 3 times the teams have met in the League including the double last season plus, of course, a narrow victory in the Premiership semi-Final so Sarries definitely have something to prove. Jet lag won’t be an issue as there is minimal time change between the UK and South Africa but long flights are in themselves tiring and Saints will take a while to recover from a bruising encounter with the Bulls. The Sunday kick-off will be beneficial to both teams.

Referee is Adam Leal assisted by Sara Cox & Jonathan Healy. Dan Jones is the TMO

This will be a tight one. Home advantage could be the key so we’ll need to shout loudly for the lads. “Sarrie the red-nosed camel…”

Merry Christmas every one.

SARRIES v SAINTS: please post match related content here
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Date: 19/12/2024 13:02

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Posted by: #wolfpack1 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2024 13:06

Mako at lock?

Good luck lifting him

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Posted by: Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2024 15:48

Oops typo

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Posted by: nicsue (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2024 16:50

Don't like to nit pick, but I never knew Courtney Walsh played for Saints?

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Posted by: Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2024 18:33

Oh lordy! Too much mulled wine

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2024 18:36

Quote:
nicsue
Don't like to nit pick, but I never knew Courtney Walsh played for Saints?
Well him and Curtly Ambrose might make a very handy second row!
For us I suspect the fact Roti didn’t reappear Sunday indicates he failed his HIA so expect Tobias Elliot to be back on the wing.
Is Balmain fit? I guess he’d steady the scrum which might come into play with a lightweight second row.
I’d imagine we are more likely to see Kaden Pearce-Paul than Sodeke.
Is Jamie fit? If not hopefully Hadfield is and it’s been ages since we saw anything of Sansom Adejimi.
It feels like the biggest league game of the season so far.

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Posted by: AP (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2024 21:37

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Posted by: RobB (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2024 12:19

1 Rhys Carre

2 Theo Dan

3 Fraser Balmain

4 Maro Itoje (c)

5 Theo McFarland

6 Juan Martin Gonzalez

7 Ben Earl

8 Tom Willis

9 Ivan van Zyl

10 Fergus Burke

11 Liam Williams

12 Nick Tompkins

13 Lucio CInti

14 Tobias Elliott

15 Elliot Daly

Replacements:

16 Jamie George

17 Phil Brantingham

18 Alec Clarey

19 Harry Wilson

20 Toby Knight

21 Gareth Simpson

22 Alex Lozowski

23 Brandon Jackson

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Posted by: Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2024 13:32

Quote:
AP
It's great that we are picking up the deliberate mistakes - it shows that the articles are read and appreciated!

Or maybe the Eds should lay off the mulled wine!

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Posted by: Sarriebone (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2024 13:43

The opposition:

15 George Hendy
14 Tommy Freeman
13 Tom Litchfield
12 Rory Hutchinson
11 James Ramm
10 Fin Smith
9 Alex Mitchell – 100th Gallagher Premiership appearance

1 Emmanuel Iyogun
2 Curtis Langdon
3 Trevor Davison
4 Tom Lockett
5 Chunya Munga
6 Alex Coles (c)
7 Tom Pearson
8 Juarno Augustus

Replacements:
16 Nathan Langdon – Gallagher Premiership debut
17 Tarek Haffar
18 Elliot Millar Mills
19 Temo Mayanavanua
20 Henry Pollock
21 Archie McParland
22 Fraser Dingwall
23 Ollie Sleightholme

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Posted by: dirtybertie (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2024 15:48

Hearing front row fitness test tomorrow

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Posted by: Stevie Myler's right boot (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2024 15:51

The importance of this fixture, especially from a Saints perspective, can’t be underestimated- anything less than a win and ideally a 5 point win and the premiership season to all intents and purposes could be over before Christmas
A huge game for both

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Posted by: Sarries/BebeRexhafan (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2024 16:37

Most people are expecting are close tight game. Not me. I think a straightforward home win.

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2024 17:07

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Sarries/BebeRexhafan
Most people are expecting are close tight game. Not me. I think a straightforward home win.
Been on the mulled wine too? Saints really had our number last year and if we make our customary slow start it could be a long afternoon.

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Posted by: Strangelove (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2024 17:47

And it’s gonna be v windy again, so let’s hope we learn from Bulls game.

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Posted by: Surbiton Sarries (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2024 18:00

Heads up in case someone's missed it:

No trains between Harpenden and London between 21st and 29th December

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Posted by: nicsue (IP Logged)
Date: 21/12/2024 22:50

Quote:
Darraghgirl
Oh lordy! Too much mulled wine

There is no such thing as too much mulled wine.

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Posted by: Sarries/BebeRexhafan (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2024 11:56

Here we go. Come on Sarries !.

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Posted by: Sarriebone (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2024 14:14

Elliot Daly has been ruled out.

Liam Williams moves to full-back. Brandon Jackson starts on the wing, with Angus Hall on the bench.

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Posted by: Sarriebone (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2024 16:49

FT 39-24

Good result. Shame to let them get a TBP with a few soft tries. How their first was allowed with a Saints player taking out to open a gap has left me slightly confused

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Date: 22/12/2024 17:29

Good win, especially with two tries disallowed. Saints regularly taking defenders over a metre beyond the ruck and never penalised. Really nice seeing Nick T getting recognition for 200 caps. Hopefully we can kick on and beat Bath away (again).
Happy Christmas everyone. COYS.

Supporting Saracens for over 55 years.



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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2024 20:26

Fantastic performance in the first half particularly. Saints looked dreadfully hungover from their win in Pretoria, God knows how many knock ons and Hendy having a nightmare in the wind.
By far the best we’ve seen from Fergus Burke, another comedy miss aside and IVZ back to his best. Both Theo’s superb. Tobias Elliot looks like an accomplished winger already, but of a shame Jackson didn’t really get a chance to shine.
Not sure whether we’ll target Bath away or rest a few big guns up for Bristol and Europe?

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Posted by: ComeOnSarries (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2024 20:26

Superb first half performance played with real intensity into the wind. Unsurprisingly a bit less impressive in the 2nd half but 5 points against a team we lost to 3 times last season is still an excellent result. Who did they award MoTM to as there were quite a few possibilities from my perspective? Difficult 2 weeks coming up with Bath away and Bristol at home but if we play like the 1st half for 80 I think we can beat either of them. What a back row of Tom, Ben and Juan-Martin , we are truly spoilt to have such a unit.

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Posted by: Surbiton Sarries (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2024 20:35

Quote:
ComeOnSarries
Superb first half performance played with real intensity into the wind. Unsurprisingly a bit less impressive in the 2nd half but 5 points against a team we lost to 3 times last season is still an excellent result. Who did they award MoTM to as there were quite a few possibilities from my perspective? Difficult 2 weeks coming up with Bath away and Bristol at home but if we play like the 1st half for 80 I think we can beat either of them. What a back row of Tom, Ben and Juan-Martin , we are truly spoilt to have such a unit.


Theo D

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Posted by: Sarries/BebeRexhafan (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2024 22:01

Brilliant first half. Will need more of the same but for the full game with who we have coming up.Enjoyed young Hall s carry. Future is bright.

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Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 05:31

Good win!

Burke looking a lot more integrated.

Are Spink & Hartley injured?



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Posted by: gerry1 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 07:31

Quote:
tigersimon
Good win!
Burke looking a lot more integrated.

Are Spink & Hartley injured?

Agree about Burke, he will grow to be a useful replacement for Faz over time, but with a different skill set

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 08:20

No they are both fit. Spink played for Ampthill along with several academy lads in a very disappointing defeat af Cambridge (putting it mildly).
Hartley was warming up with the team.

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 08:20

No they are both fit. Spink played for Ampthill along with several academy lads in a very disappointing defeat af Cambridge (putting it mildly).
Hartley was warming up with the team.

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Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 08:45

The Bard,

Thanks for info.

Was surprised not to see one of them come onto bench when Daly dropped out.

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Posted by: ICantBelieveItsNotBartyII (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 09:56

Spink drooped out of the Ampthill lineup at the last minute and didn't play. Had a bib on in the warmup at the StoneX though

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 10:06

Perhaps Daly was already on the brink of pulling out on Saturday so we played safe and kept him back?
Good to see we have confidence in Angus Hall though.

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Posted by: Happy Sarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 10:40

Daly came out to warm up well before everybody else. I suspect there were concerns that were justified. The most aggressive performance from Saints was Phil Dowson at half time in the dressing room which I only caught watching the TNT recording!
On a day like yesterday I'm not too concerned about the disparity in performance in each half. We played the conditions better than Saints and defended very well when called upon to do so.
Probably the coldest day I've had at Stone X for some time - mind you Bristol on the 4th could top it.
Happy Christmas and NY to all at Saracens.

My wife has told me that she's considering ending our marriage due to my utter obsession with rugby.

I'm begging her for one more try!

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Posted by: OTsarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 12:50

According to Jamie George Daly pulled out because it was too cold !

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Posted by: TommyKentish (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2024 15:09

Learned his lesson from the Bulls match!

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