SARRIES v BRIZ: please post match-related comment here


By The Saracens
December 31 2024

Last weekend is best forgotten but as a result, this Saturday’s game against Bristol Bears becomes one of the most important of the season. Win and we’re back on track, lose and we’re struggling to make the play-offs. As St Mark said “The experience is ugly and horrible, but it’s how you respond to something like this which could make or break the season”. Unfortunately for Sarries, Pat Lam could have said almost the same thing about Bristol’s home defeat to Sale (well at least we weren’t nilled!)

Bristol aren’t the opponents most of us would have picked for a game of such importance. Despite last Friday’s slip up, they are the best away team in the Premiership having claimed the record (from Sarries!) with a 10th straight away win at Welford Road a couple of weeks ago. But the Bears are wounded: already without Max Malins for the season they have lost AJ McGinty their reliable fly-half for 4 months. Ellis Genge missed the Sale game with a back spasm and Ibitoye, Owen and Lahiff  picked up injuries during the game. Bears have one of the smallest squads in the premiership and were forced to start 21 year old academy player Sam Worsley at 10 (for a baptism of fire).  Brizz have limited options at 10: they brought Van Rensburg into fly-half last week but in so doing, it leaves a huge hole at inside centre. Poor chap can’t be in 2 places at once. At least they have James Williams back now. Bristol are missing a lot of players though including Sam Grahamslaw, the wonderfully named Lovejoy Chawatama, Tom Doughty, Joe Batley, Josh Caulfield, Steele Barker, George Taylor, Santiago Grondona, Kofi Cripps, Sam Wolstenholme, Siva Nualago & Noah Heward

Sarries of course have injury problems of their own although quite who is injured at the moment and who is rested isn’t that clear. Potentially though we could be missing Williams, Daly, McFarland, Isiekwe, Elliott, Riccioni, Willis, Hadfield and Dan (plus of course Goodey and Christie and  Hugh Tizard and potentially Toby Knight). Lets hope at least some of them are fast healers!

One player who will undoubtedly be starting is Jamie George. This will be his 300th appearance for Saracens which is some achievement and he above all will want a win. Hopefully St Mark has been on the phone to his old mucker Alex Sanderson to find out exactly how Sale did such a great dismantling job on the Bears! The Bears’ game does rely heavily on having a playmaker to pull the strings so maybe the lack of a recognised 10 is an even bigger handicap for Pat Lam’s boys. Whatever Bears will not want Sarries to do the double over them (remember that amazing game at Ashton Gate when Loz’s kick won it at the death?) News update:  Bears have signed out of favour Irish international Harry Byrne from Leinster. He could even feature at StoneX this weekend!

With just 18 games in the League, and only 9 at home, every game is hugely important. You could argue that Bath would probably have won on Saturday almost whatever team we took – whether or not that strategy paid off will be seen this week. So we have a lame Camel against a wounded Bear. A team unbeaten all year away from home but also a team who have never won at StoneX. Two teams coming off heavy defeats last weekend. Two teams with mounting injuries. As usual it’ll come down to who wants it most. Jamie definitely will.

We have been blessed with our 2nd “favourite” referee Matt Carley assisted by Hamish Smales & Wayne Falla. TMO is David Rose. It’s a 5.30 kick-off so don’t get caught out

Happy New Year to rugby supporters everywhere.

SARRIES v BRIZ: please post match-related comment here
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Date: 31/12/2024 17:54

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2025 08:35

Heard Nick I had broken rib, McFarland torn meniscus so both out. Elliot’s dislocation was pretty nasty so he’s unlikely. Sanjay failed HIA so definitely out.
Sodeke was pulled from Ampthill game on Saturday so he will feature. Another worry will be Maro’s match involvement limit..

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Posted by: Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2025 13:49

Oh joy!

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Posted by: ComeOnSarries (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2025 14:24

Looking at the weather forecast for Saturday it is going to be pretty cold and wet - possibly even some sleet! Wrap up warm seems to be the order of the day.

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Posted by: Surbiton Sarries (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2025 14:50

Quote:
ComeOnSarries
Looking at the weather forecast for Saturday it is going to be pretty cold and wet - possibly even some sleet! Wrap up warm seems to be the order of the day.

A yellow weather warning for snow, in fact.

Someone seems to be organising the weather to clash with our match days.

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2025 19:10

No Theo Dan Saturday, he’s on shop duty with James Hadfield…

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Posted by: Strangelove (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2025 22:01

Quote:
The Bard
No Theo Dan Saturday, he’s on shop duty with James Hadfield…

So probably Jamie starting for his 300th and KP on bench for probably one of his last appearances for us.

Hope Daly is fit, otherwise Angus at FB? Or I’m sure Loz could be an option?

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2025 08:19

Tiff Eden at fullback another possibility

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Posted by: tpr's headmistress (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2025 12:23

Saracens Men team to play Bristol Bears:

1 Rhys Carre

2 Jamie George

3 Marco Riccioni

4 Maro Itoje (c)

5 Harry Wilson

6 Juan Martin Gonzalez

7 Ben Earl

8 Tom Willis

9 Ivan van Zyl

10 Fergus Burke

11 Lucio Cinti

12 Nick Tompkins

13 Alex Lozowski

14 Rotimi Segun

15 Elliot Daly

Replacements:

16 Kapeli Pifeleti

17 Phil Brantingham

18 Alec Clarey

19 Olamide Sodeke

20 Nathan Michelow

21 Gareth Simpson

22 Olly Hartley

23 Angus Hall

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Posted by: tpr's headmistress (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2025 14:05

Bristol team:

15. Rich Lane (47 apps), 14. Jack Bates (47 apps), 13. Benhard Janse van Rensburg (35 apps), 12. James Williams (46 apps), 11. Noah Heward (21 apps), 10. Sam Worsley (15 apps), 9. Harry Randall (136 apps); 1. Ellis Genge (52 apps), 2. Gabriel Oghre (29 apps), 3. George Kloska (52 apps), 4. James Dun (44 apps), 5. Jamie Hodgson (3 apps), 6. Steven Luatua (140 apps), 7. Fitz Harding (c) (83 apps), 8. Viliame Mata (5 apps).

System players: 16. Harry Thacker (124 apps), 17. Yann Thomas (119 apps), 18. Jimmy Halliwell (7 apps), 19, Steele Barker (debut), 20. Jake Heenan (115 apps), 21. Kieran Marmion (37 apps), 22. Harry Byrne (debut), Kalaveti Ravouvou (17 apps).

Unavailable: Sam Grahamslaw, Max Lahiff, Lovejoy Chawatama, Tom Doughty, Joe Batley, Joe Owen, Josh Caulfield, George Taylor, Santiago Grondona, Kofi Cripps, Sam Wolstenholme, AJ MacGinty, Gabriel Ibitoye, Siva Naulago, Max Malins.

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Posted by: OTsarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2025 14:53

And I thought we had injury problems …

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2025 16:14

Both sides employing Operation Clingfilm by the looks of it…

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Posted by: ComeOnSarries (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2025 16:31

Shows you just how tough professional rugby is as both sides are really suffering from large injury lists.

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Posted by: Strangelove (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2025 17:35

Quote:
ComeOnSarries
Shows you just how tough professional rugby is as both sides are really suffering from large injury lists.

Pretty pleased with Sarries 23, best we could have hoped for in the circumstances.

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Posted by: TommyKentish (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 18:12

If Willis doesn’t get in the England squad I’m marching on Twickenham.

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Posted by: Toga (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 18:55

We're starting to be Carley'd.

Threatned to send off Jamie in his 300th game!

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Posted by: Sarriebone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 19:40

A great result after last week's events, but the frustration of soft tries given away in the last quater yet again rears it's ugly head

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Posted by: TommyKentish (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 20:23

It was very nice to see some proper attacking shape today, it feels like a while since we’ve seen waves of players, multiple pulled back passes, Burke on the wraparound a la Sexton (definitely suits his style of play) and loads of passing options at speed.

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Posted by: ComeOnSarries (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 20:30

That performance by Tom Willis was outstanding and I definitely think he is the top No 8 in England at present. Also thought that Fergus Burke did plenty that was right as well. Our scrum had the edge which is not something that happened much last season! We did feel a bit light with line out options. However 5 points in the bag and the double against Bristol this year is a decent outcome with 9 tries to keep the crowd interested. Only shame is that we let Bristol score 3 tries in the last quarter to get a 4 try bonus. No obvious big injuries which is also good news.
Tough away fixture against Munster next Saturday

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Posted by: maynas (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 20:34

Willis for the Lions never mind England!

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Posted by: #wolfpack1 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 21:03

That was a much more enjoyable experience.

The result is clearly a good one (except for giving Bris a last min BP), but even if we lost I’d have been fairly happy because we looked to play a lot more and had nice shape at times for first time this season. Fergus looks so much better at second receiver behind a pivot (a role Tompkins did well). We even saw some offloads which was nice.

IVZ still needs to speed up delivery from the base however.

Tom Willis is absolutely ludicrous.

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Posted by: samgibbo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 21:09

Attacking shape SO much better. Happy to eat my hat after comments last week about Burke and thought he played very well today. He looked much more at ease and like he was enjoying it out there.
As above, the pull back pass (something Mako often did) and wrap around really kept the defence guessing. Hopefully we’ll continue to build further facets to our attack in the coming weeks.
Another solid showing from Harry Wilson adding plenty of ballast in the scrum and good to see Loz making some nice breaks.
Still plenty to work on but fair play to the lads for fronting up following last weeks debacle.

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Posted by: MarkCol7 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 21:10

Very important 5 points, especially as the next prem game away to Exeter will be without England call ups - so we’ll be down to the bare bones at 2nd row and back row (expectant Willis call up)

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Posted by: Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2025 21:43

Thought Cinti was also excellent - seems to be able to play almost anywhere in the back line

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Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 06:41

Tizard, Wilson, JMG, Knight, Sodeke, Michelow & KPP should all be available for Exeter.

A bit like us you will be weakened more than the opposition! Tigers are at Kingsholm!
Exeter will lose Slade (EEPS) and IFW (if fit).

George, Dan, Itoje, Earl, Willis, Loz & Earl to be away in camp?

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Posted by: Kevetty (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 06:49

How can it be right when the Premiership is now only 10 teams we continue to lose players to a training squad for the 6N’s when there is a league game to be played. It affects not just Sarries, but also Tigers and other clubs. The supporters are not considered important obviously!

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Posted by: Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 08:05

Kevetty, whenever did the RFU care about the supporters?

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Posted by: Dolph42 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 08:19

The RFU pays the clubs to get that extra week with them (and before the AIs and also for a fourth AI fixture in some seasons), the clubs also realise that international rugby is both a cash cow which keeps Prem rugby afloat and also the pinnacle for players so there is some correlation better a strong England side and club interest, so they will support it in return for said funding.

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Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 08:42

Quote:
Dolph42
The RFU pays the clubs to get that extra week with them (and before the AIs and also for a fourth AI fixture in some seasons), the clubs also realise that international rugby is both a cash cow which keeps Prem rugby afloat and also the pinnacle for players so there is some correlation better a strong England side and club interest, so they will support it in return for said funding.

True, but my understanding is that it is not prorated to the number of players each club provides to England.

Why should a club that loses say 7 players for 2 training camps and therefore 2 Prem games receive the same compensation as a club that provide 0 or 2?

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 08:53

My gripe is that he took 36 players for the autumn games, some didn’t play for 6 weeks. There is a case for taking 20 but no more.

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Posted by: Dolph42 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 09:21

Quote:
tigersimon
True, but my understanding is that it is not prorated to the number of players each club provides to England.
Why should a club that loses say 7 players for 2 training camps and therefore 2 Prem games receive the same compensation as a club that provide 0 or 2?

I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is the clubs will have agreed to it. As far as I understand the details behind the agreement aren't published.

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Posted by: PaulHerox (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 10:05

Outstanding performance from Tom Willis, quite possibly the best by a player in the Premiership so far this season.

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Posted by: Happy Sarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 10:32

Thoroughly enjoyable evening. Brought a football fan to his first rugby experience - we may have a convert although he was blessed a little by that performance. He made the mistake of doing some homework by watching the game replay at the Rec! Massive congratulations to Jamie on his 300th and also a full 80 mins.

My wife has told me that she's considering ending our marriage due to my utter obsession with rugby.

I'm begging her for one more try!

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Posted by: Surbiton Sarries (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 10:42

Why was Jamie subbed for the last play of the match? That possibly opened the door for the bonus point try.

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Date: 05/01/2025 11:12

Quote:
Surbiton Sarries
Why was Jamie subbed for the last play of the match? That possibly opened the door for the bonus point try.
It was so he could get an individual standing ovation for his 300 caps rather than just getting clapped off with everyone else.

On an upward trajectory into the Munster game. Not a single player had a poor showing. Maybe we should put out a weak team more often?

Supporting Saracens for over 55 years.

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Posted by: The Bard (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 11:13

I suspect to give him the chance to have his own standing ovation. What happened to his boot in the first half?
And why were we so late coming out in second half or were Briss early?
Daly excellent again yesterday, Bristol seem to bring out the best in him.
Wilson did very well too.
Credit to Bristol, they are a very dangerous side even with some of their biggest names missing.

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Posted by: Surbiton Sarries (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 11:48

I agree with both about Jamie's subbing. Surely it should have been pragmatism over sentiment?

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Posted by: OTsarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 11:51

A most enjoyable evening despite the cold ( though nothing compared to the Bulls game ! ).
Lots of great performances across the team , but Tom Willis must have player of the season in the bag already …

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Date: 05/01/2025 11:52

Quote:
The Bard
I suspect to give him the chance to have his own standing ovation. What happened to his boot in the first half?
And why were we so late coming out in second half or were Briss early?

Jamie suffered a stud failure. New boot sponsorship isn’t what it used to be. His old pair came to the rescue.
Given the temperature, the longer in the changing rooms the better.

Supporting Saracens for over 55 years.

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Posted by: PaulHerox (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 12:12

Giving up the Bonus Point Try was the result of the inexplicable decision to attempt to retain possession in our 22 for 60 seconds rather than clear to touch and let Bristol attack a set defence. Questionable leadership and we shall have to hope that 1 point doesn't matter come the close of the season.

Exceptional performances by the whole team but a special mention for Burke, Segun, Gonzalez and Riccioni all of whom put in terrific shifts in attack and defence.

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Posted by: TommyKentish (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 12:34

Agreed Paul, we almost did it but that’s a very difficult ask. I don’t think Jamie’s subbing had an impact either, our maul defence was worryingly bad all match against a weakened Bris pack.

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Posted by: Banzai1314 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2025 13:31

Finally warmed up after yesterday’s game.
The keys things for me yesterday were
Lozza and Nicks speed off the line - gave Bristol no time to move the ball
Furgus tackling particularly around the ruck area and his running lines
Roti, Ben and Toms ability to make extra ground even after being tackled.
Maro putting Harding on his backside
Moving the ball wide quickly gave Cinti and Roti chances to attack the wide channels.

Had we kicked the additional points on offer I think the scoreline would have been more an accurate reflection of the game as Bristol could potentially have come away with 2 bonus points without really threatening us.

The team looks nicely balanced but we really could do with a couple of experienced quality players in key positions until such time as the young players have had sufficient game experience.

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Posted by: JimG (IP Logged)
Date: 06/01/2025 12:07

Excellent performance. Some great defence and lovely attacking play and offloading. I know Bristol have a lot of injuries but surprised that they didn't really have much of an answer to the blitz defence which also did for them against Sale. Tom Willis was again phenomenal - we are a different team when he is playing. Carre also put in another shift in both the tight and loose. The penalty given against him in the scrum when he folded his opposing prop in half was a travesty. As others have said it is a shame we allowed Bristol to get a bonus point at the end. Apart from the aforesaid scrum penalty we managed to stay on the right side of Carly but from my seat in the West stand I could clearly see the Bristol player's hands flat on the floor beyond the ball at that last ruck so he (or at least his assistant who was really close) clearly got that call wrong.

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Posted by: Sarriebone (IP Logged)
Date: 06/01/2025 12:44

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JimG
As others have said it is a shame we allowed Bristol to get a bonus point at the end. Apart from the aforesaid scrum penalty we managed to stay on the right side of Carly but from my seat in the West stand I could clearly see the Bristol player's hands flat on the floor beyond the ball at that last ruck so he (or at least his assistant who was really close) clearly got that call wrong.

You are correct, Luatua also takes out Michelow off the ball [x.com]

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Posted by: JimG (IP Logged)
Date: 06/01/2025 13:03

Plus no.20 on the wrong side preventing the clear out. So potentially 3 offences at the one ruck by Bristol. Appreciate that it all happens at speed so not easy and mostly happened at the other side from where Carly was rightly standing. It's such a lottery at the breakdown though and trying to keep possession for that length of time is always going to be risky and I was definitely willing us to play it.

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Posted by: Sarriebone (IP Logged)
Date: 06/01/2025 13:20

Potentially a no arm tackle in there as well.

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Posted by: PaulHerox (IP Logged)
Date: 06/01/2025 14:13

The call to play out of the 22/run the clock down left us vulnerable to such calls. The rest is semantics.
In a performance with a huge amount to praise we still need to play smarter.

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Posted by: TonyTaff (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2025 17:03

I wish Sarries would emulate Bristol (and several other clubs) by appending to the list of 23 selected, those not available for selection - be that injury, suspension or, conjecturally, game time clocked up. No-one seems to take responsibility for Maro's workload across club, country and Lions.

It's a long time since Sports network paid anything!

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