Saracens v Sale Sharks Preview
Go Maro, go!
By saracensfan62
October 13 2025
There is no denying it, this one has been a banana skin fixture for us for a while now. Previous years of dominance in this fixture are well and truly over for Sarries. This time around (thankfully) it is not on a Friday night (hopefully we can end the Friday night curse sometime soon!) and we face Sale Sharks at the StoneX on Saturday at 5.30pm. There’s no denying Sale have the edge when it comes to physicality. While their pack doesn’t feature the Du-Preez bros anymore, they still will have us at scrumtime and maultime I think. The Sharks wil arrive in the capital brimming with their own ambition. Alex Sanderson’s side — built around power, precision and northern grit — have very quietly become one of the Premiership’s most complete units. The Sharks’ pack, led by England prop Bevan Rodd and the Curry twins, has been among the most dominant at the scrum and breakdown this term, while their backline offers both physicality and flair through the likes of Rob du Preez, Tom Roebuck and Tom O’Flaherty. Having beaten Saracens twice in the past 18 months, once at the AJ Bell and then at StoneX last Spring, Sale know they possess the blueprint to unsettle the Londoners: slow the ruck speed, win the gain line, and control territory through disciplined, percentage rugby. We need to look to other areas of the field and attempt to beat Sale at a running game. We have a more mobile, fitter pack so we need to use this to our advantage and tire out Sale as quickly as possible. Keep the ball moving and Sale guessing at what we may do next. It’s a match dripping with subplots: Alex Sanderson facing his former club; the battle between Itoje and the Curry brothers at the breakdown; Farrell and Ford renewing their England 10 jersey rivalry in opposing colours. With the weather set fair and both sides near full strength, this could well be one of the standout fixtures of the round 4 Premiership calendar, and maybe the whole season if it turns to be a firecracker. Expect collisions, tactical chess, and moments of brilliance — the hallmarks of two heavyweights who know each other all too well from times gone by.
Set-Piece and Breakdowns
Sale will almost certainly want to dominate in these areas. The scrum could be carnage if we do not sort out our weaknesses as quickly as we can. So far Tietie Tuimauiga really struggled at scrumtime against Northampton in the Cup, Riccioni had a torrid time against Harlequins and I believe Vilikesi Nairau is injured. Selection for the front row will be an interesting call, as for the hooker, well, where to start? Theo Dan’s lineout throwing is still amiss and JG2 has only just come back from mandatory Lions standdown. James Hadfield could be a good option to start with JG to come on and steady the ship if needs be?
The breakdown could again get messy. The Curry bros snooping around, Sam Dugdale making steals, Bevan Rodd and Opoku-Fordjour who are deadly when it comes to rucking… Sale are the team (IMO) who have the most options for breakdown steals
As for 2nd rows… I think the only plausible option would be Isiekwe and Itoje. We have really missed Maro and his influence both as captain and all around the field. Isiekwe, while a lineout mastermind, doesn’t have the same impact as a disruptive force as Maro does. Itoje v Andrews will be an immense battle, not least because they are both huge at the lineout, but they are both forces of nature at the lineout.
Kicking and Aerial Battle
Ford and Carpenter v Farrell and Malins. What an interesting battle. We face perhaps the trickiest backline combination of Reed, Roebuck and Carpenter, all of whom are immense at the aerial battle and will (95% of the time) pounce on any ball dropped in the backline. Our pendulum in the backfield has had to adapt little recently, what with Tobias Elliott and Elliot Daly injured and Goodey (who we so often relied on) now retired, we could be targeted with the high ball just like how we were at Harlequins. The weather is set to be a forgiving 14 degrees Celsius and winds of only 8-10mph so not impossible conditions, I say this given StoneX is notoriously windy even when, elsewhere, there is no wind. It is a strange phenomenon that seems to surround the ground, a swirling gale engulfs the stadium when a mere few hundred metres away, its calm as you like.
Backline and Attack
Sale, however, bring their own brand of backline firepower. Rob du Preez, the orchestrator at outside centre, thrives when given front-foot ball. His physicality enables him to challenge the gain line, committing defenders before releasing powerful runners such as Sam Bedlow inside and Tom Roebuck outside him. Ford’s presence remains central — even if used sparingly — as his ability to attract multiple defenders opens up space and the other backs can exploit this. I am still disappointed Ford hasn’t been more involved with England over the years, he has been consistently superb. Carpenter’s composure under the high ball and counter-attacking instincts have become vital to Sale’s transition game, particularly when opponents kick loosely. Expect Sale to look for mismatches in midfield, testing Saracens’ defensive cohesion (especially around the gap from 13 to the outfield and wingers) and occasionally launching wide plays off du Preez’s flat passes to release their pace on the edges. Saracens backline looks increasingly cobbled-together at the minute, especially with Nick Tompkins now out due to the positive HIA. Cinti at 13 could help fill a whole, he brings both physicality and pace outside Farrell. I had hoped to see Farrell take on more of a centre role and bring more ‘bish bash bosh’ into the midfield. Maybe I’m alone in this, but he’s a big unit and could punch holes if he wanted to. I will be interested to see the matchup between him and Rob D-P specifically. So much of Saracens game revolves around first phase excellence and immediately breaking the gainline from set pieces, whereas Sale target 2nd phase ball and counter-attacking rugby more. Rightly so, their back 3 has the pace for it! It will be intriguing to see the matchup and clash of the backlines on Saturday.
Defensively, both teams are renowned for their structure and aggression. Saracens’ trademark line speed and rush defence, orchestrated by Farrell, will aim to suffocate Sale’s passing options and force rushed decisions. Sale, meanwhile, employ a slightly more connected, drift-oriented system — relying on their back-row’s mobility and their midfield’s communication to shepherd play towards the touchline. In such evenly matched systems, the difference may come from small details: who wins the aerial battle, who controls the tempo, and who maintains discipline in their red zone.
Ultimately, this fixture promises a collision between two rugby philosophies cut from the same cloth — physical dominance, tactical clarity, and relentless work rate. The scrums will be thunderous, the mauls attritional, and the breakdowns savage for the most part. Yet somewhere in between, flashes of brilliance from stars like Ford, Faz or Roebuck may be the difference. At this level, with so much parity in structure and power, it’s often the side that adapts best under pressure — not necessarily the one with the most possession — that emerges victorious.
Here is my predicted Saracens lineup:
Saracens:
- Rhys Carre
- Jamie George
- Alec Clarey
- Nick Isiekwe
- Maro Itoje
- Harry Wilson
- Ben Earl
- Tom Willis
- Ivan Van-Zyl
- Fergus Burke
- Brandon Jackson
- Owen Farrell
- Lucio Cinti
- Angus Hall
- Max Malins
- James Hadfield
- Eroni Mawi
- Marco Riccioni
- Olamide Sodeke
- Reggie Hammick
- Charlie Bracken
- Louis Johnson
- Cammy Hutchison
I hope for an entertaining and fast-paced game (not a kickfest please), full of attacking flair and moments of brilliance from both teams. Enjoy all those going, hope to see some of you at StoneX.
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Fully agree for anyone attending any Prem ground - Saturday 5:30 is not good!!
But it’s aimed at the TV audience - even then I find it inconvenient - already watched 3pm game on TV, so OH moaning watching more Rugby, or not home from attending 3pm KO - or getting ready to go out!
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5.30pm KO gave us the easiest drive to the game we have ever had (hope I haven't jinxed it for this coming week.) Our problem (agree not eathshattering) is when to eat - before is too early, after is too late. Meh.
I take sarnies and eat at half time, and parking at Mill Hill Broadway at that time is free. Win, win and hopefully win!
Unless Earl is on the bench I really hope we don’t go 6/2 again but I suspect we will.
Riccioni I felt just has a good battle against Baxter and we need to have proper back up so he can empty the tank for 50 mins instead being expected to play 70 plus mins every match. I certainly wouldn’t be starting anyone over him at the moment though.
Dans throwing was also ok this weekend. Not everyone is going to be Jamie George. Theo has also looked more lively in the loose this season than last (the Toulon performance aside).
Our problems last weekend all came down to our back 3 not being able to catch. I don’t think we need to read too much into anything else that happened on Sunday.
saracensfan62 I had hoped that about Farrell too but I'm not sure I see it happening. I don't think anyone is advocating he becomes a crashball centre but occasionally straightening the line as he did a few times for the Lions would be a really useful addition.
Quins showed they can do Saracens circa 2015 better than us currently.
I'm pretty sure Sale will be hoping to do the same thing and recent results suggest they're also better at it than us currently.
Can we win trying to match and/or better them at it. I guess that's the question or will we see something different. Either way it's going to take a great coaching and player performance to get a win.
Bard, Angus Hall wasn't listed on the unavailable/injured list for the Quins game, so maybe he's returning or fully returned to training? I'm not 100% sure though, Sarries are quite secretive when it comes to releasing player injury details.
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Noticed that Noah Calouri not in the Ampthill team for Worcestershire away tomorrow night…
Well he's certainly seemed very good under the highball although to be fair so do Malins and Bracken normally. Hopefully as others have said it was just one of those games and this weekend will be different.
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Noticed that Noah Calouri not in the Ampthill team for Worcestershire away tomorrow night…
Brandon Jackson and Angus Hall both in a squad to play Oxford Uni tonight but no Noah…
Still no sign of Tobias Elliot, Ollie Hartley or Sam Spink. See Tuimaga is getting a run out too
1 Eroni Mawi
2 Jamie George
3 Marco Riccioni
4 Maro Itoje (c)
5 Hugh Tizard
6 Juan Martin Gonzalez
7 Ben Earl
8 Tom Willis
9 Charlie Bracken
10 Fergus Burke
11 Lucio Cinti
12 Owen Farrell
13 Nick Tompkins
14 Noah Caluori
15 Max Malins
Replacements:
16 Theo Dan
17 Rhys Carre
18 Marcus Street
19 Harry Wilson
20 Nick Isiekwe
21 Andy Onyeama-Christie
22 Gareth Simpson
23 Jack Bracken
Injured: Phil Brantingham, Elliot Daly, Max Eke, Tobias Elliott, Olly Hartley, Toby Knight, Alex Lozowski, Theo McFarland, Vilikesa Nairau, Sam Spink, Harvey Beaton, Rotimi Segun, Ivan van Zyl.
Unavailable: Nathan Michelow.
Do they not learn?
Otherwise, I really like the look of that outfit.
I was one of those grumbling last season at the lack of progression in the match day 23. Well, this season we’ve had 4 very positive, forward looking selections imo. Our style is also looking much better too - we’d be 3/3 if we could have caught a couple of up and unders last weekend.
I’m looking forward to tomorrow and hopeful about our chances against a strong Sale team.
15. Tom O’Flaherty 14. Tom Roebuck, 13. Rob du Preez, 12. Marius Louw, 11. Arron Reed, 10. George Ford, 9. Gus Warr; 1. Bevan Rodd, 2. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 3. Asher Opoku-Fordjour, 4. Ben Bamber, 5. Hyron Andrews, 6. Ernst van Rhyn ©, 7. Tristan Woodman, 8. Sam Dugdale.
Replacements:
16. Nathan Jibulu, 17. Simon McIntyre, 18. James Harper, 19. Tom Burrow, 20. Ethan Caine, 21. Raffi Quirke, 22. Rekeiti Ma’asi-White, 23. Luke James
Referee Matthew Carley (152nd match)
ARs: Anthony Woodthorpe & John Meredith
TMO: Andrew Jackson
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Saracens v Sale Sharks
Referee Matthew Carley
Oh god........
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We’re clearly determined to make the 6-2 happen aren’t we. Maybe 6th time lucky..
Otherwise, I really like the look of that outfit.
I was one of those grumbling last season at the lack of progression in the match day 23. Well, this season we’ve had 4 very positive, forward looking selections imo. Our style is also looking much better too - we’d be 3/3 if we could have caught a couple of up and unders last weekend.
I’m looking forward to tomorrow and hopeful about our chances against a strong Sale team.
6-2 is annoying but more understandable given the injury list. Hopefully once Hall gets some minutes at Oxford we’ll see him on the bench.
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Oh god........
No, he only thinks he is.

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I thought Nick Tompkins had failed an HIA during last weekends match. That would usually result in a 10 day stand down.
Phil,
There are different return to play protocols depending on whether the player is knocked out on the pitch or for example mouth guard triggered HIA and the players symptoms post match. Depending on those circumstances they allow for a Second & Third HIA post match/36 hours? to be undertaken and if they pass those and then come through staged training without symptoms they are not stood down and can return to play after a minimum 7 days.
If knocked out on the pitch or subsequent HIAs are failed or symptoms remain the stand down period is now a minimum of 12 days.
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If knocked out on the pitch or subsequent HIAs are failed or symptoms remain the stand down period is now a minimum of 12 days.[/quote]
Not even been 7 has it?
On the subject of injuries, do we know what has happened to Ivan? And any news on Christophe Ridley?
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Saying he's really pleased that when youngsters have been given an opportunity they've really taken it. Also saying that Charlie Bracken has been ready to step up for a while and that he probably should have been playing him more sooner than he has.
Two tries to the teenage high jumper. One of which garners a yellow card. COYS!
Edit Make that three tries.
Sorry, make that four tries. Borthwick are you watching?
Very sorry. Another edit. Five tries.
I really am very sorry to keep editing. SIX TRIES!
Supporting Saracens for over 55 years.
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For God's sake shut up man! Throbwick doesn't need encouragement to steal and break our guys!
Yes by all means have him as an apprentice in the England Training Camp to see the environment but fantastic prospect as he is, it’s too soon and TNT commentators should know better (!) to say he should be displacing time-served wingers such as Freeman, Roebuck etc!
And then Tom had to ruin it all

Anyway back to 2nd in the league and away to the leaders on Friday. Let’s just hope that we can keep the positive approach going for our away trip to the Gardens. Very enjoyable game with the only negative being the A1 which was awful both pre and post game.
Yeah but "All We Need is a Team of Noah Caluori" doesn't work at all.
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I was pretty hopeful that we would win this evening but never in a million years did I think we would win by over 50 points scoring 10 tries in the process. Whilst Noah deservedly gets the plaudits there were so many strong performances across both forwards and backs - it is like we were a totally different team compared to last week. Maro slipped back in effortlessly. I thought Charlie showed he could play at that level. Tom was back to his rampaging best and Burke and Farrell between them distributed the ball at pace. Uncontested scrums meant that our substitute front row never even got to strut their stuff.
Anyway back to 2nd in the league and away to the leaders on Friday. Let’s just hope that we can keep the positive approach going for our away trip to the Gardens. Very enjoyable game with the only negative being the A1 which was awful both pre and post game.
Charlie was excellent and not just during the open second half but he played beautifully when it was tight in the first. Lovely box kicking which I have not doubt will hold a lot of weight with the coaches.
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That’s the most fun I’ve had at the SX for years.
And then Tom had to ruin it all
+1
Wasn't there but echo the sentiment.
There was so much in that game to enjoy. Well done to the coaches and players. It would have been interesting to see how we'd have fared without being a man up but just delighted to see the ambition and numerous players sticking their hands up.
Agree with ComeOnSarries about the performances across the park. Mawi carrying hard early on was great to see as was the impact Wilson had from the bench. Both 9s played well and I'm always happy when we see Carre "in the loose"
I didn't think Maro could solve our problems by himself and he didn't need to but he was magnificent and had a huge impact.
Can we please send Dan to Brits-school. He's got serious potential to be a similar player despite some mistakes today.
I did feel slightly for Sanderson. It's not been talked about above but what did we think of the cards. I think Carley explained it well but I thought maybe the Caluori PT and the lack of yellow for Dan were a bit fortunate. Interested to know what others think.
Really looking forward to the team backing that performance up away to Saints.
Caluori was incredible. Farrell kicks away on a two man advantage and Caluori says don't worry I'll take the assist off George Ford instead! Only real question I have is can he play 8.
Max Malins at first-receiver, yes please and thank you.
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Blimey - in my 30 years following Sarries and club rugby, I cant remember anyone else getting 5T (although should 6 inc PT). Can anyone else?
Wade scored 6 against Worcester once.
But in the it was a day when the Lord Giveth and the Lord taketh away.
I saw Ryan Constable score 6 for us at Bedford when they were in the top flight, but they were all simple unopposed walk ins.
Best comparison was Lesley Vanikolo scoring 5 tries on his debut for Gloucester. It looked like the dawn of a spectacular era but it fizzled out in 18 months.
But what a performance today after being second best for 30 minutes. 60 unanswered points!!
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Didnt Ryan Constable get a load at at Bedford once? I would love someone to find out, we were stood behind the goalposts and it seemed an endless procession of walk-ins!
Yes, see my post above. I was also behind the posts and hearing their captain Andy Gommersall deliver increasingly desperate lectures after each try was quite amusing.
But WOW! This was an absolute treat. I'm sure Arron Reed will be having Noah nightmares for weeks (even more so if further sanctions follow for his cheap shot pushing him into the camera). But all over the field we tore Sale to shreds, especially in the second half.
Whatever was said from Monday morning onwards - please keep doing it!
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5.30pm KO gave us the easiest drive to the game we have ever had (hope I haven't jinxed it for this coming week.) Our problem (agree not eathshattering) is when to eat - before is too early, after is too late. Meh.
I take sarnies and eat at half time, and parking at Mill Hill Broadway at that time is free. Win, win and hopefully win!
Me and my big mouth - worse journey ever, Apex Corner was a mess (seemingly just caused by bad driving grrrrr) arrived at 6.05pm - 3 hours from St Albans.
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Blimey - in my 30 years following Sarries and club rugby, I cant remember anyone else getting 5T (although should 6 inc PT). Can anyone else?
Ryan Constable against Bedford in 2000(?), and in the Prem Cup it was James Hadfield last season...
Damien Penaud did it in the last couple of years too
Hadfield 6 tries in 61 minutes against London Scottish in the 99 - 27 win in the PRC last season.
Premiership try scoring record Ryan Constable six tries in a 57 - 29 win over Bedford on April 16th 2000.
Interesting fact a Bracken played in that game too!
Equalled by Christian Wade in 2015.
Penaud in this link.
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Me and my big mouth - worse journey ever, Apex Corner was a mess (seemingly just caused by bad driving grrrrr) arrived at 6.05pm - 3 hours from St Albans.[/quote]
That’s my route there, another reason to miss evening games ! Looking at the East Stand where i usually sit on TV it looked very empty, what was the crowd? Great games like this shouldnt be played in the evenings
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5.30pm KO gave us the easiest drive to the game we have ever had (hope I haven't jinxed it for this coming week.) Our problem (agree not eathshattering) is when to eat - before is too early, after is too late. Meh.
I take sarnies and eat at half time, and parking at Mill Hill Broadway at that time is free. Win, win and hopefully win!
Me and my big mouth - worse journey ever, Apex Corner was a mess (seemingly just caused by bad driving grrrrr) arrived at 6.05pm - 3 hours from St Albans.
Sorry to hear that, but at least you missed the poorest half hour of the match from Sarries perspective. We come down the A1 from Stevenage and, luckily, became aware just after lunch time that it was closed due to a serious accident and needing an air ambulance. There was also all sorts of trouble at Apex Corner but Mrs Google knows the back roads of Barnet so we only took an extra quarter hour.
P.S. The sarnies were very tasty!
But back to the game and it has left a warm feeling as there was a powerful combination of power and skill after we had gone 14-5 down. To score 60 unanswered points against Sale, who most pundits have as a top 4 side, is pretty unprecedented and was way more than I was expecting. As others have said the fact that Tom will leave at the end of the season is a great shame for both Sarries and England but we will just have to make sure he doesn’t leave empty handed!
We really like the 5.30’s, frees up the day and can have dinner afterwards in Mill Hill before heading home.
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We got on the right side of Carley for the first time ever. Looked like we got away with a couple of scrums under massive pressure. Bounce of the ball almost always went our way. Should have bought a lottery ticket.
We really like the 5.30’s, frees up the day and can have dinner afterwards in Mill Hill before heading home.
Somewhat off topic - we ate at The Mill Hill Tandoori last night - boy oh boy has that place gone downhill. Shame really.
Any pointers as to good places to eat in Mill Hill please.
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Thought Farrell was outstanding ...
Interesting JimG. In what regard.
He was looking knackered near the end.
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Just rewatching on TV and can see an advert covered up on the right sleeve of the whole team. I'm guessing Watches of Bath, but would like to know why.
i spotted that too, it was on the away kit last week though so I am curious as you are as to why it was covered up.
'Saracens covered up the Watches of Bath logo on their shirt sleeve because of a breach of the Rugby Football Union (RFU) kit rules regarding sponsors. The team was found to have used a sponsor on the sleeve of their shirts, which was not approved by the RFU. As a result, the team was ordered to cover up the logo and play the match with a blank sleeve.'
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Google says (no idea if it's a robot making it up though):
'Saracens covered up the Watches of Bath logo on their shirt sleeve because of a breach of the Rugby Football Union (RFU) kit rules regarding sponsors. The team was found to have used a sponsor on the sleeve of their shirts, which was not approved by the RFU. As a result, the team was ordered to cover up the logo and play the match with a blank sleeve.'
My immediate thought went to - so the RFU haven’t had their cut. Me, cynical?
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Google says (no idea if it's a robot making it up though):
'Saracens covered up the Watches of Bath logo on their shirt sleeve because of a breach of the Rugby Football Union (RFU) kit rules regarding sponsors. The team was found to have used a sponsor on the sleeve of their shirts, which was not approved by the RFU. As a result, the team was ordered to cover up the logo and play the match with a blank sleeve.'
My immediate thought went to - so the RFU haven’t had their cut. Me, cynical?
I set up a post as soon as the Home kit was released saying hold off because of these sponsors. They owe the club and others money due to multiple failures icluding a competions arm of the business that went belly up. There is more to this than meets the eye and I did try to warn you all. This really needs looking into.
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