Harlequins v Saracens Premiership Cup Preview
Last time out
By saracensfan62
November 5 2025
It feels like only yesterday we were playing Quins at the Stoop. A return to the lair of our old foe could be welcome though; if the squad turn up and execute the Sarries gameplan, we should be able to get revenge on Quins for the recent loss in the Premiership.
The league season has become disjointed. I know many are thinking it and I would like to mention it for a minute. It feels as though once you start to settle into watching the Premiership, then the internationals hit and suddenly it’s a 4-5 week break from any premiership rugby. We do have the Cup to keep us entertained, I suppose, but that is only two games. Then the champions cup barges it’s way in for the majority of December and some of January, with a mere 3 Premiership games between the beginning of December and the end of January. Then it’s the 6 nations break and, once again, we enter a time of no league action until the Showdown at the end of March. I cannot see any real fix to this in the short-term, however it does make actively following rugby for new supporters much more challenging than in other sports.
Moan over, onto the preview. Harlequins have been hit and miss of late. A resounding 38-0 hammering away to Exeter followed by an impressive 20-14 home win against us demonstrates their inconsistent form. We haven’t been much better, resounding victories against Sale Sharks and Newcastle followed by losses to the aforementioned Quins and Northampton Saints. On that note, Franklins Gardens has really become a bogey ground for us in recent years. Hopefully we can break the hoodoo at some point in the near future.
The Premiership Cup is always dampened slightly by the departure of international players to their respective teams for the Autumn Nations series, but this does in turn allow for younger, less well-recognised players to breakthrough. It has (yet again) gone through a revamp in format, with only teams from the Premiership playing instead of in the last 2 years where Championship teams were involved. Side note - I personally liked the Championship teams getting involved, feel free to discuss the new format in the comments below if you wish. They have been split into 2 pools of 5, with 8 rounds being played in total. 2 have already happened for us (we had a bye week last weekend) and both resulted in losses – disappointing away loss to Leicester Tigers and a entertaining, whilst fairly heavy defeat to a powerful Northampton side at the StoneX back in mid-September. Only the top 2 teams in each pool will qualify into a knockout stage with just a semi final and then final. It is well recognised that some clubs (us included) use the cup as an opportunity to blood new players in a competitive competition. I expect both teams will field teams full of youngguns ready to try and make their mark on the competition. We are in the same boat as Quins in the cup, 2 losses from 2 but there is still plenty to play for. I expect this one to be a game where caution is thrown to the wind and an exciting, expansive style is adopted by both teams.
I think I would struggle to predict an accurate Harlequins team – after all, most of the time I get the Saracens one badly wrong. I have attempted a team prediction below, factoring in the return of numerous formerly injured bodies (inc. a number of backs who we haven’t seen in a long while, very exciting!). I hope it’s a positive selection featuring mainly young players who we don’t always get to see during the main league season. Personally, I don’t think Farrell should be starting in the cup team. Farrell is an excellent 10, but it seems his style clashes badly with his fellow 10’s and they don’t complement each other very well. He offers an excellent option off the bench at 10, 12 or 13 if he is needed and can steady the ship should things not be going to plan. Same concept applied with Max Malins. It’s fair to say his return to Sarries has been rocky. Sure, he can be afforded some leeway given his injury, but he has had a torrid time aerially and looks a couple of steps off-the-pace compared to when he left us for Bristol back in 2023. Given time, I’m sure these two will find their class again. They are also both experienced heads who can mentor those younger players and guide them if necessary on matchdays.
Saracens
- Phil Brantingham
- Theo Dan
- Alec Clarey
- Nick Isiekwe
- Hugh Tizard
- Nathan Michelow
- Toby Knight
- Tom Willis
- Charlie Bracken
- Louis Johnson
- Jack Bracken
- Olly Hartley
- Sam Spink
- Brandon Jackson
- Elliott Daly
- James Hadfield
- Vilikesi Nairau
- Tietie Tuimauiga
- Olamide Sodeke
- Harry Wilson
- Ivan van-Zyl
- Owen Farrell
- Max Malins
Players away on international duty
Rhys Carre, Nick Tompkins, Marco Riccioni, Eroni Mawi, Fergus Burke, Andy Onyeama-Christie, Maro Itoje, Ben Earl, Jamie George.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025:11:28:20:48:51 by Darraghgirl.

I'd just add to the discussion about the disjointed nature of the season that for anyone who hasn't been to the Women's games and can do/is interested they should try it.
My nieces enjoyed the Quins game so much I've promised them tickets for the rest of the season and whilst it won't always be glorious wins in front of 3000 plus I'm sure any extra support makes a big difference.
Is this this weekend. If it is some of the above will be with England A.
Being pretty much out already I'm not sure what the coaches will hope to get from this.
Part of why these previews are so interesting is I think I'd do the opposite with a couple of the players you mention above. Unless either are carrying knocks I'd start both Malins and Farrell.
I think Malins needs game time and to just feel comfortable out there as much as anything else.
For me although I appreciate not others Farrell is neither playing or leading well. I think this is just the sort of game which you give him control of and let him remedy that or continue doing both if you think he already is. There's quality there but it's very green so leadership will be important.
You don't have Wilson in that list is he injured. If not he 100% starts for me. Maybe with Isiekwe moved to 6 as the coaches like Wilson in the row. Even if Dan is available I'd start Hadfield in those competition too. I understand the pecking order but I think both were missed v Saints. Grit and determination and skill.
Like jimfitz12 I wouldn't have Willis anywhere near this game.
Our back row looks very patchy now AOC and Earl are away and Willis adds that ballast that we need.
Thanks for the point re. Wilson, I'll add him now actually.
Charlie West will certainly be in the mix.
Cricket jumps from 4 day, T20, test matches, the 100 and 50 over stuff.
Arsenal have played in 3 different tournaments in last week alone after the players were on international duty.
It really isn’t a problem.
I would like the Prem Cup to have followed the pattern of the U20 RWC where all of the teams stay in all the way through and play for placings
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Nice report - Don't see any world where they risk Faz / Willis in a game like this, but let's see.
I’m sure I saw Willis in one of the socials this week still training. With Michelow at England A I could see it happening.
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Nice report - Don't see any world where they risk Faz / Willis in a game like this, but let's see.
I’m sure I saw Willis in one of the socials this week still training. With Michelow at England A I could see it happening.
Do you expect him to just not train for 5 weeks?
Understandable Bard. I only speak from my perspective. I don't like the large gaps between fixtures in the Premiership and I've spoken to few people who also don't. It makes the season feel disjointed.
With regard to football, of course there are gaps inbetween the Premier league and Internationals+Europe leagues, but they are smaller in length (most only a week or two) and things don't feel as drawn out in the Premiership. I think it's a lets agree to disagree kind of thing.
Keep up the good work.
I'm much more in favour of using the PRC to develop talent rather than using it as a fig-leaf to hide a poor season by loading up with senior guys in an attempt to get silverware *cough* Exeter Chiefs *cough* and whilst I am struggling to see beyond maybe a good outlier result in Europe against one of the big teams I'm still quite optimistic about the Prem.
We have a Top4 group of players the question is whether we have the same group of coaches. The games to date make it very hard to tell.
PaulH I think many supporters share your opinion on things. I'm not particularly optimistic for our chances in the Premiership or Europe. Bath (barring their loss to Leicester) and Northampton look quite far ahead of the rest at the minute. I imagine we'd be in the playoff mix come May 2026, but if we get an away playoff (especially against Northampton) we'd really struggle.
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So Angus Hall, Noah Calouri, Olamide Sodeke and Nathan Michelow all playing for England A Saturday in Spain. Tobias Elliot injured, it does indeed look like Operation Clingfilm will have to be utilised.
Perfect opportunity to give Daly some game time if you ask me....Similar with Brandon Jackson on the wing. All considered I would go something like this:
1. O'Driscoll
2. Hadfield
3. Street
4. Tiz (For game time) / Sylvester
5. Totoa Auvaa
6. West
7. Hammick
8. Harry W
9. Charlie Bracken
10. Louis J
11. Jack Bracken
12. Hartley
13. Spink
14. Brandon Jackson
15. Daly
I have really lost interest in this years PRC competition, I no longer know it’s purpose - it’s not a development competition, it’s used as Pre Season warm up, warm up for restart of Prem.
The 5 team pools with byes is annoying! I really don’t want to see the same teams 4/5 or 6 times a season!
Appreciate preview done early so team prediction not going to be accurate.
Dan, Isiekwe, Daly with England
Michelow and Sodeke with England A in Spain.
Brantingham out until the Spring
Nairau out until the NY
IVZ going to be fit?
I can see Willis, Farrell, Tizard, Malins and other first team non internationals getting a run out this week or next against NRB before the Bath Prem game.
15. Cameron Anderson (22)
14. Frank McMillan (1)
13. Sean Kerr (13)
12. Bryn Bradley (15)
11. Hayden Hyde (16)
10. Connor Slevin (11)
9. Jake Murray (16)
1. Jordan Els (53)
2. Jack Musk (C) (41)
3. Will Hobson (19)
4. Harry Browne (11)
5. Jonny Green (16)
6. Elliot Williams (2)
7. Seb Driscoll (1)
8. Lucas Schmid (10)
IMPACT PLAYERS:
16. Jimmy Staples (2)
17. Jamie Miller (2)
18. Ollie Streeter (7)
19. Zach Carr (15)
20. Tate Williams (1)
21. Josh Bellamy (1)
22. Conor Byrne (*)
23. Theo Povey (*)
2 James Hadfield
3 Marcus Street
4 Harry Wilson
5 Hugh Tizard (c)
6 Tayo Adegbemile
7 Reggie Hammick
8 Tom Willis
9 Gareth Simpson
10 Louie Johnson
11 Brandon Jackson
12 Olly Hartley
13 Sam Spink
14 Jack Bracken
15 Max Malins
Replacements:
16 Eoghan Clarke
17 Lewis Young
18 Alec Clarey
19 Kennedy Sylvester
20 Charlie West
21 Charlie Bracken
22 Luke Davidson
23 Finn Keylock
ARs: Jonathan Cook & Veryan Boscawen
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I have no clue who some of the players in our 23 are, let alone the quins side. I don't recognise a single one of those Quins players
Kerr. But maybe I'm just recognising a name rather than a player.
That said I don't follow the junior and Academy teams so have no idea if they've got a load of great prospects in there or not.
On paper it feels like we've a much stronger side but our paper side has struggled on several occasions this season, not least last time they played a Quins team so I hope nothing is being taken for granted.
The backs division is especially interesting given the long absence of the centres and the strong likelihood that the group will probably progress en masse if they prove good enough. I like Malins being given game time and hope he also provides some direction/leadership in that relatively young backs selection.
In contrast the selection of Willis seems bonkers to me. I doubt he needs game time and this is with respect a nothing game to be risking a player who is probably one of the most vital to us achieving anything this season.
Hopefully its a good performance.
If it's match fitness does that mean we'll be risking him again next week. Crazy stuff.
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Sorry but I just don't believe we don't have another "warm body" that could be added to that 23 so that he doesn't need to play.
If it's match fitness does that mean we'll be risking him again next week. Crazy stuff.
Such as? Knight, Eke injured. AOC, Michelow, Earl, JMG away. The only guy I can think of in Branch-Holland and he was playing u18s last year. Quins were playing Dombrandt in this fixture last year, it’s a reasonable choice to make to ensure he’s up to speed for the big one v Bath.

Can’t read too much into it as Quins had a very very inexperienced side out but we played some very good rugby at times.
Positives:
- scrum totally dominant
- Louie J had his best game for the club imo ; nice movement and shape in the backline
- Brandon J was superb in the first half and the Brackens are going to be quality
- I was impressed by our new 6 who id never seen before, and Kennedy Slyvester off the bench put himself about well
Negatives:
- Jack Bracken limped off looking unhappy. Hopefully he’s not too badly hurt
Superb defensive set to deprive them a second score and then we pulled away.
Bit sloppy start to tge second half let them in again but we steadied the ship with another couple of scores including one cracker from Spink.
A lost 5m lineout gave them another but we finished strongest.
All played very well, but shout out to Wilson who had a big physical game, Sylvester and Adegbemile very prominent too.
Some very good backs play ,Hartley and Spink combining well and looking strong.
Jackson superb first half.
Willis played full 80 a surprise.
Ref was good.
Wishing Speedy recoveries to those who picked up injuries.

Loved going down to the game, some great performances across the board and well worth the admission fee. Tough to know how good they were based on the oppo, but some fantastic work by both our centres. Excited to see they develop.
Have to say though, Simpson was very poor. His box kicking was absolutely atrocious at times, which put us under a lot of pressure.
Loved Sylvester who came off the bench, absolute giant. Tayo at 6 was class as well.
Plenty to get excited about!
Hartley and Spink getting a run together and neither ending the game injured is a big plus too. Malins too. Hopefully Jack Bracken is ok.
Jim I agree about Simpson. I'm really not sure how he is starting ahead of Bracken at the minute. He has had some cracking games for us in the past but really seems to have gone off the boil recently and was generally poor at the weekend.
