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By TheSaracens.com
March 30 2026
Our season hangs by a single thread, a rather frayed thread that looks ever thinner as the days go by. We have one last shot at getting something out of this season. Ok not much of a shot but it’s there. Let’s remind ourselves of the pool stages: a good home five pointer against Clermont, a narrow away defeat to Sharks (another game we could have won), a fabulous home win over Toulouse than a hammering away at Glasgow. All this has left us with Everest to climb rather than the gentler slopes of Scafell Pike if we are to reach Bilbao in May (I would hold off booking your tickets for a week or 2!). On Saturday at 3pm (yes, a prime slot for once) we visit Bath at the Rec. Should a miracle happen and we progress, we would end up in some sort of time loop, probably away to Northampton! Should another miracle happen, we’d probably face a semifinal in France against Bordeaux or Toulouse with either Leinster or Glasgow waiting for us in Spain. Easy peasey!
I really hope we don’t go back to The Rec with the same-old same-old squad who have shown time and again this season that they don’t have what it takes. Einstein might (or might not) have said “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result”.
If you google “repeating the same mistake” it comes up with some interesting things:-
“Humans are not naturally rational, even though we would like to believe that we are. Information overload is exhausting and confusing, so we filter out the noise. We only see parts of the world. We tend to notice things that are repeating, whether there are any patterns or not, and we tend to preserve memory by generalizing and resorting to type. We also draw conclusions from sparse data and use cognitive shortcuts to create a version of reality that we implicitly want to believe in. This creates a reduced stream of incoming information, which helps us connect dots and fill in gaps with stuff we already know. This is called confirmation bias – our tendency to confirm what we already believe in, rather than shift our mindset to incorporate new information and ideas.”
“Even when we think carefully and slowly, our brains have a bias towards the information and templates we had used in the past, regardless of whether these resulted in errors.”
“The more we repeat the same tasks, the more likely we are to traverse the mistake pathway, until it becomes so deeply embedded that it becomes a set of permanent cognitive shortcuts in our brains.”
I really, really rate Mark McCall but he doesn’t look like he’s enjoying the job anymore and without his full-on drive and knowledge behind everything, I fear the rest of the coaching staff are rudderless.
Ominously Smally said “I’m actually really proud of the performance given what happened against Bath….It’s gutting to lose it at the end, but we can work with that and go away dead proud of how we played. You want to be part of something good, as in something you can work with, something you can see building, and we haven’t felt that for a bit….I know there’s something good to build on after this and if we go like that for the next eight weeks, we’ll actually enjoy it regardless. We’ve got a big game next weekend against Bath in Europe to throw ourselves into, nothing to lose, so I think that’s where we’ll look at it.”
Doesn’t sound to me like he’s thinking of a revolution!
But Smally said it, we really have nothing to lose.
So do we send the lot that got stuffed at the Rec a couple of weeks ago or let a some of our youngsters spread their wings. I’m not for one minute suggesting we send a development squad but make a few bold choices.
Ok so I will:-
Front row picks itself – Carre, Dan and Street
Locks: Maro and Sodeke
Back row: JMG and Earl if either is fit, plus Willis, if not McFarland and Michelow
Half backs: Charlie and Burke
Centres: Loz and Hartley
Wings: Noah and Tobias
FB: Jack Bracken
We’re highly likely to lose but let’s give it a go, let’s rekindle those old Sarries’ values as ed Griffiths used to say: “gather talented people together, treat them unbelievably well and in return they try unbelievably hard.” I’ll settle for that.
We will be in the hands of Nika Amahukeli, generally one of the more reliable "sirs" so lets hope it's settled by the players not the officials.
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If progression and improvement is linear that may be enough but I think we need a few changes.
For me as blank sheet is simply not going to happen I'd make few changes but with big impact.
Obviously they would compromise other areas of the game but that is the balance.
Burke to FullBack. Adds to our attacking game and defensive game. Moves to 10 at 50 unless Farrell is having a Worldy.
I'm still trying to work this combination out but I want Willis on for 80 unless injured, Wilson into the 23 and Earl at 8 as much as possible. One option is start Itoje/Wilson with McFarland/Earl and Willis. The other is bolder and would be starting Willis at TightHead lock where he stepped in a few times and did well and still had an impact in the loose. Then have a backrow of McFarland, Onyeama-Christie and Earl with Wilson to come on from the bench.
Either Malins or Daly on the bench with Van-Zyl and one of Caluori or J Bracken. A friend at the game said Bracken had the better game on the weekend.
The compromises with Burke at FullBack are mainly kicking which is not an inconsiderable one. The other changes compromise our lineout to a degree.
I guess my question is will more of the same deliver a different result? It could.
Equally maybe small changes with potentially big impacts and to be honest they could be negative as easily as positive could do it.
What team would you like to see and what team do you think we might realistically see. What changes would you make to address specific issues we had v Bath.
For what it’s worth I’d love to see it, except with someone else (Spink??????) at 13. Loz is aging and leaving, no point playing him imo.
Saracens
Tobias Elliott (Wing/fullback), Jack Bracken (Wing/fullback), Kennedy Sylvester Junior (Lock/Back row)
Out of those, Tobias plays if he's fit I reckon.
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For what it’s worth I’d love to see it, except with someone else (Spink??????) at 13. Loz is aging and leaving, no point playing him imo.
Other than be injured Spink has done little other than in a PRC game. Is he staying beyond this season.
Lots of people have asked for someone who gets you over the gainline something Cinti did repeatedly against a good Saints defence when we seemed to opt not use our forwards to carry as much as usual, Carre aside.
The idiot on RugbyPass wrote some nonsense about him missing 7 tackles which is flat out wrong. Also that they were costly. Also wrong.
The one you could claim cost us was at the end when a line is run between him and Burke. Depends on who you think makes the mistake but even then his performance overall was far less costly than several other backs.
The big centre question for me is whether Hartley is fit and not being picked or injured.
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For what it’s worth I’d love to see it, except with someone else (Spink??????) at 13. Loz is aging and leaving, no point playing him imo.
Other than be injured Spink has done little other than in a PRC game. Is he staying beyond this season.
He’s done nothing other than in a PRC game. But he hasn’t exactly had a chance. I can remember only one brief cameo off the bench at Bath last season and other than that I’m not sure he’s had a go in anything other than a PRC game.
He may be injured of course - he usually is.
But if he isn’t, why not give him a bit of a chance? What we’re doing at the moment isn’t working.
We need to stop picking off of prev endeavours and reward those who shine ... Michelow should get a start as JMG is out.
Wilson has been treat shoddily imo and should be on bench in front of ISiekwe as he at least has some fight in him
If IVZ starts I may climb down from my uncovered £100 seat and kidnap him.
Backline should be Bracken , Faz , Calouri , Daly , Hartley , Elliott and Burke at FB. Won't be but at least it has creativity in it.
May see calouri, may see bracken who knows.
Beside myself with excitement and anticipation…
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Has anyone stopped for one minute to think Hartley might be injured? He hasn't been in any of the pre-game warm ups or on the teams social channels, so perhaps Mark's hand has been somewhat forced in the centres? Hall has literally only just come back from injury and so has Jack Bracken which will explain why they are getting up to match fitness.
I’d have more time for the injuries excuse if McCall had shown any attempt to change anything in the centres (or anywhere else for that matter) ever, even when players are fully fit. But alas, he doesn’t
We haven’t had any player injury updates all year and the only insight we’re getting is from the Jim Hamilton videos
Personally I am never really sure who is available or injured and who isn't with the younger players.
I agree with MarkCol7 that some communication on that might be useful but to be fair it's a common complaint on the rugby boards so maybe its just something that isn't normally done.
Equally I always appreciate the input of those who watch the Ampthill games and give us snippets about how those players are doing.
I don't expect huge changes either for this game or after whether we win or lose.
You can already see the shape of next seasons squad from the re-singings and if we lose I expect to see them backed further to get a head start on next season.
If I'm wrong I'll be delighted.
Quote:Regarding Hartley, I saw him walking through St Albans town centre this afternoon, no apparent injuryjimfitz12
Has anyone stopped for one minute to think Hartley might be injured? He hasn't been in any of the pre-game warm ups or on the teams social channels, so perhaps Mark's hand has been somewhat forced in the centres? Hall has literally only just come back from injury and so has Jack Bracken which will explain why they are getting up to match fitness.
Potentially Jack Bracken or Noah could come on to the bench but I'd imagine that would be about it.
Love from The Gardens
Quote:NGSB
Please feel free to turnover Bath at the weekend - it can be done.
Love from The Gardens
Looks like Castres sending a mixed team to you tomorrow night, mind you they did against us last year and caused a massive upset.
Quote:Then we can concentrate on securing a home Prem SF and peak fitness for the final...NGSB
Please feel free to turnover Bath at the weekend - it can be done.
Love from The Gardens

1 Rhys Carre
2 Jamie George
3 Marcus Street
4 Maro Itoje (c)
5 Hugh Tizard
6 Theo McFarland
7 Andy Onyeama-Christie
8 Tom Willis
9 Charlie Bracken
10 Fergus Burke
11 Tobias Elliott
12 Owen Farrell
13 Nick Tompkins
14 Noah Caluori
15 Elliot Daly
Replacements:
16 Theo Dan
17 Eroni Mawi
18 Marco Riccioni
19 Harry Wilson
20 Nathan Michelow
21 Ivan Van Zyl
22 Alex Lozowski
23 Max Malins
VICTORfez following sarries and bees since '76
Quote:The Bard
If we consider that Hartley might be injured and Ben Earl failed HIA then that’s as good as we could expect. Fingers crossed!
Hartley has to be injured at this rate not to even make it on to the bench.
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Geo)
ARs: Ben Connor (Wal) & Shota Tevadze (Geo)
TMO: Ben Whitehouse (Wal)
1 Beno Obano,
2 Tom Dunn,
3 Archie Griffin,
4 Quinn Roux,
5 Charlie Ewels,
6 Josh Bayliss,
7 Guy Pepper,
8 Alfie Barbeary,
9 Ben Spencer,
10 Finn Russell,
11 Henry Arundell,
12 Max Ojomoh,
13 Ollie Lawrence,
14 Joe Cokanasiga,
15 Santi Carreras
Replacements: 16 Kepueli Tuipulotu, 17 Francois van Wyk, 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Ted Hill, 20 Sam Underhill, 21 Bernard van der Linde, 22 Cameron Redpath, 23 Miles Reid
Best of luck
I really hope it is a good game for all those travelling. Surprise me please!
This is impressive though…
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Quote:ComeOnSarries
Excellent first half making Bath look pretty ordinary. We deserve the 10 point lead but can we keep the intensity going for 80 minutes?!
nope!
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Excellent first half making Bath look pretty ordinary. We deserve the 10 point lead but can we keep the intensity going for 80 minutes?!
nope!
Or maybe! it’s the hope, the hope and the love of the club that’s keeps giving.
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Quote:Toast and Marmite
Absolute class from your team today- appreciate its cold comfort but shows the Saracens spirit still there giving us an absolute classic European tie. Good luck for the rest of the season
Very classy post.
So much to like. So much better.
Still find myself pulling the few strands of hair I have left out at some of the substitutions.
At least we can hold our heads up, I can’t ask for much more than that.
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The change in ref to a complete homer killed us. Should have been a yellow for playing the nine after Itoje's line break. Wilson was barely a penalty.
No ruck formed in that situation so that law doesn’t apply there. Was just a tackle situation.
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It does my head in.
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Subs blow my mind as taking a kid off cos hes tied to be replaced by a pedestrian 9...analytics gone mad.
For me that's a game we should have won in the first half. So will McCall be giving out gold performance stickers or making the changes we still need to get beyond plucky competitors.
Farrell simply isn't good enough to be in the XV right now and is causing us significant issues.
Itoje with a proper Captain's performance.
The starting pack were great. McFarland is going to be a massive loss and starting him regularly at 6 has had a major impact on the balance of our back row. Tizard very good game after his last couple of weeks. George was part of a scrum that was dominant in the first half but the 3 or 4 not-straights were a real issue. Wilson came on and looked good until a daft tackle. It might have been harsh but there was no need for it he had time to make a better tackle choice.
Ultimately we left a lot of chances out there and Bath, like Saints last week were clinical when they had chances in space although our defence was incredible for much of the play in our 22.
Burke showed what a difference he could make to our attack but needs much better options outside him. Our wings had good moments but showed their inexperience too.
For me we can win that game in the first half with the dominance we had and that defence if our attack is better. We were poor when a man up.
Quote:PaulHerox
A lot to be proud of and a lot to work on.
For me that's a game we should have won in the first half. So will McCall be giving out gold performance stickers or making the changes we still need to get beyond plucky competitors.
Farrell simply isn't good enough to be in the XV right now and is causing us significant issues.
Itoje with a proper Captain's performance.
The starting pack were great. McFarland is going to be a massive loss and starting him regularly at 6 has had a major impact on the balance of our back row. Tizard very good game after his last couple of weeks. George was part of a scrum that was dominant in the first half but the 3 or 4 not-straights were a real issue. Wilson came on and looked good until a daft tackle. It might have been harsh but there was no need for it he had time to make a better tackle choice.
Ultimately we left a lot of chances out there and Bath, like Saints last week were clinical when they had chances in space although our defence was incredible for much of the play in our 22.
Burke showed what a difference he could make to our attack but needs much better options outside him. Our wings had good moments but showed their inexperience too.
For me we can win that game in the first half with the dominance we had and that defence if our attack is better. We were poor when a man up.
Agree with all of this except the comment on the wings. I thought they both were at least the match of their opposite men. Noah was unlucky not to hold Arundell up and, if anyone but him had been 1on1 at the end of the first half, I think Arundell scores
I'm glad we backed both and look forward to them continuing to improve and playing well in the mean time.
Agree Caluori did a great job on the line.
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1st half outstanding intensity , JG line outs and AOC knock on cost us 14 pts.
Subs blow my mind as taking a kid off cos hes tied to be replaced by a pedestrian 9...analytics gone mad.
To be fair to IVZ, he had two breaks, one led to try, one should’ve led to a try, so I don’t think he was particularly pedestrian, even his passing was quick. I still think Charlie should’ve been on longer and should start for rest of season. IVZs kicking wasn’t as good as Charlie’s, including one out on the full.
Jamie had a poor game with his arrows, although the one he got pulled up on that went 15m and was not contested didn’t seem right. Wilson’s tackle was daft, I certainly think he tried to wrap - but I am sure Reid led with the forearm going into the tackle, even if it hit Harry on the chest. Starting props great, Maro immense and our 2 young wings were making their tackles. Shoutout for Tiz on the hold up over the line.
Wingers both excellent, although one Calouri offload attempt under pressure very unwise but in some ways today was his most impressive performance.
I guess Storm Rodney flaring up in the second half didn’t help IVZs kicking but we had to get it downfield.
So much to be proud about but ultimately we shipped 31 in a half, the same average as the game two weeks ago.
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The change in ref to a complete homer killed us. Should have been a yellow for playing the nine after Itoje's line break. Wilson was barely a penalty.
TMO kept looking for it to be a card didn’t he! how may angles, replays and speeds did he use to get to the yellow?
What was interesting was you can see the difference a referee makes with their interpretation but of course you have to deal with that.
Agree re Van-Zyl Strangelove. He was a massive positive when he came on. Immediately took he space at the breakdown that Bracken seemed oblivious to most of the game except for his try when the wrap by Burke and Elliot held Cokasigna.
I thought Bracken had a very good game but so did Van-Zyl when he came on. His box-kicking and his failure to adapt to the wind was the major issue but his sniping, speed to the breakdown and pass were all good.
Interesting seeing the different impact of the teams young stars. Arundell pretty ordinary most of the game and poor in defence but when he gets a chance in space he's phenomenal.
Caluori super skill in the air operating at about 30% with lots of knock-ons. Frustrating as he twice but himself in exceptional positions to reclaim the ball then lost it under little pressure. Fantastic to see though and he's a great talent.
I feel like he needs a little time with Liam Williams and Dan needs some time with Brits!
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Scrum against Dan to Bath after he’d broken off a maul seemed very wrong too, but we had to get it out of there.
That's the one I really didn't get The Bard.
Bath payer comes through the middle and basically tackles Dan out of the back of the maul. He then stays on the wrong side and another Bath player flops over Dan.
Does anyone know what penalty was actually for.
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The change in ref to a complete homer killed us. Should have been a yellow for playing the nine after Itoje's line break. Wilson was barely a penalty.
TMO kept looking for it to be a card didn’t he! how may angles, replays and speeds did he use to get to the yellow?
Wilson's yellow also came off the back of a crooked line out throw. Usually wouldn't bother me but we got pinged for a couple that were marginal to say the least
Quote:PaulHerox
Caluori super skill in the air operating at about 30% with lots of knock-ons. Frustrating as he twice but himself in exceptional positions to reclaim the ball then lost it under little pressure. Fantastic to see though and he's a great talent.
I feel like he needs a little time with Liam Williams and Dan needs some time with Brits!
So nearly got one from kick off. It just shows what a difficult skill it is to pull off but also that the wind was playing havoc with the ball in the air, can’t blame him too much for the knock ons.
It's undoubtedly a tough skill and as you say the weather was tricky and he will improve and it will become a real weapon.
Great interplay between Van-Zyl and Elliot with Burke running support.
Cokasigna blocks/tackles Burke, clear penalty. If he doesn't Burke is on Van-Zyls shoulder to likely run it under the posts. Maybe Ojomoh gets to Burke but regardless it's a penalty so no 7 points for Bath up the other end and 3 for Sarries.
10 point swing with 20 minutes to go. Frustrating.
More I look at it the more I think that's a yellow card. Incredibly cynical. That it's his run out from his 22 makes the Bath try adds insult to injury.
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Quote:I’ve just watched the highlights and it is a dreadful lack of consistency, the guy is clearly taking over his outside shoulder with Maro competing.SarrovQuote:Nosher1979Quote:Sarriebone
The change in ref to a complete homer killed us. Should have been a yellow for playing the nine after Itoje's line break. Wilson was barely a penalty.
TMO kept looking for it to be a card didn’t he! how may angles, replays and speeds did he use to get to the yellow?
Wilson's yellow also came off the back of a crooked line out throw. Usually wouldn't bother me but we got pinged for a couple that were marginal to say the least
