Saracens v Leicester Tigers Premiership Preview
Back at StoneX
By saracensfan62
April 20 2026
This game feels extremely high stakes. Saracens return to StoneX this weekend for a huge Gallagher Premiership clash against Leicester Tigers, in what is shaping up to be a defining fixture in the race for the top four. The Premiership (yes, I refuse to call it the Prem still) season seems to have dragged this year. I rather don’t understand the apparent desire to ringfence the league, with yet another season of no relegation or promotion. This undoubtedly will change what with the Worcester Warriors return to professional rugby in the Championship and potentially London Irish coming back under the fan-led model with Kyle Jordan (eddie’s son) leading this. I digress slightly but I feel it’s important to look ahead as well as reflect on the current scenario we find ourselves in.Our season has been anything but predictable. Heavy and mentally-draining defeats earlier on in the campaign raised questions about leadership and the so-called transition we were undergoing, but that excellent 85–19 demolition of Sale last weekend showed exactly how we can play when things click. That result highlighted Sarries’ (hopefully ever growing) attacking ceiling and more importantly, it has certainly kept our playoff hopes alive what with Exeter losing their game against Saints. Leicester, meanwhile, have quietly built one of the most consistent runs in the league, winning five of their last six matches and sitting third in the table with a strong points difference. What has really been prominent from them this season is the depth that squad possesses, and momentum they’ve managed to sustain even over international periods. Realistically we need a positive result here and anything less will probably make the gap too difficult to bridge.
Statistical Analysis
Recent meetings heavily favour Leicester, who have beaten Saracens multiple times this season, including a 36–28 league win in January at Welford Road and a 31–26 Premiership Cup victory in February at the StoneX. In fact, Leicester have won four of the last five meetings between the sides, highlighting a clear recent edge in this rivalry. Looking at performance trends this season, Saracens average slightly more tries per game (around 3.4 compared to Leicester’s 3.0) and tend to play with greater attacking volume, often exceeding 110 carries per match. Leicester, by contrast, are marginally more efficient, with fewer carries but a higher level of control and composure, particularly in key areas of the pitch. Both sides are evenly matched defensively, each averaging well over 120 tackles per game, which underlines how physical and tightly contested this fixture is likely to be. Sarries have missed considerably more tackles than Leicester, with a tackle success rate of 77% compared to Tigers 79%. Furthermore, the Tigers are tighter at the breakdown, with fewer turnovers conceded than Saracens.
Kicking wise, I thought it would be tough to find a team that kicks more than Sarries. Well, I was proved wrong. Leicester have made an astonishing 414 kicks from hand this campaign with over 11,500m kicked in total, compared to a mere 384 and 9418m respectively for Saracens. This really emphasises the reliance Leicester do place on the aerial battle and could be somewhere where Sarries look to target, especially with Noah Caluori and Theo McFarland on your team – with both of those chaps being aerial monsters.
Tactically, this game presents a fascinating contrast. Saracens at their best are a high-tempo, multi-phase attacking side, and we frequently build on quick ruck ball and relentless pressure. Like so many good teams, striking in the middle before working the ball quickly wide, with strong support lines and intelligent distribution allowing them to exploit space quickly. Max Malins, of course, being a particularly good example of this. When we generate front-foot ball, the wolfpack are extremely difficult to contain. We have lost games based on swinging momentum. When a few key decisions go against us, we lose territory or concede a few quick scores, defensive structure can be exposed and soft shoulders begin to pop up. Leicester, on the other hand, operate with a far more direct and controlled approach. Their game is built around physical dominance and set-piece strength. Aforementioned kicking does also play a strong role in their game. They prioritise winning collisions and structured phases rather than high-volume attack. They do not need multiple phases to score, often just a handful of well-executed carries in the right area.
The key tactical battle is therefore simple: tempo versus control. If Saracens are able to speed the game up, play with quick ball and attack space, they will likely take control. The weather is set to be warm and sunny, 14/15 degrees and blue skies I believe. Ideal for a quick, fast paced attacking game. If Leicester can slow the game down, dominate the collisions and dictate territory, they will impose their structure and edge the contest.
Key Player Matchups
Ben Earl vs Olly Cracknell — The Gainline Battle
This is the big one in terms of physical tone. Ben Earl thrives on speed, footwork and quick ball, often looking to beat the first defender and generate momentum through fast ruck recycling. In contrast, Cracknell is all about raw power and is a very destructive carrier who looks to dominate contact and slow opposition ball. He is lethal on the turnover and we will need to be hot on keeping him away from as much of the breakdown ball as we can. If Earl can avoid direct collisions and keep the tempo high, Saracens will play on the front foot. Where Cracknell wins 1v1 collisions and forces slow ball, Leicester take control of the game physically.
Charlie Bracken vs Jack van Poortvliet — Tempo vs Territory
At scrum-half, this is a clash of game management styles. Bracks Jnr. is at his best when Saracens are playing quickly, delivering sharp service and keeping the tempo very high around the breakdown. Bracken is also an exceptionally quick scrum-half, and his size means he is a perfect example of a sniping 9 who can find those gaps inbetween the A guard and the breakdown. Jack van Poortvliet, meanwhile, is more tactical. He possesses a very strong kicking game, smart decision-making and is excellent at controlling territory when it really matters for the Tigers. IMO what he doesn’t bring as much of for England, he more than makes up for the Tigers. That isn’t a shot at his international form, more a compliment of the very high standard at which he plays in the league.
Max Malins vs Freddie Steward — Backfield Battle
This is a classic Premiership matchup. Malins brings experience, positioning and distribution, often acting as a second playmaker in attack and can seamlessly move into the role of wing or fly half at a moments notice. Freddie Steward is, more often than not, dominant in the air, incredibly secure under the high ball and a major territorial weapon for the Tigers. Saracens will look to move the ball and stretch the backfield, while Leicester will test Malins aerially and look to win territory through kicking battles. Sale failed to compete at the aerial battle against Caluori and Malins the other weekend and Leicester will aim to avoid falling into that trap.
Theo McFarland vs Hanro Liebenberg — Work Rate & Breakdown Influence
Both players are vital to their side’s balance. Theo McFarland offers athleticism, lineout presence an option for Crossfield kicks and strong carrying in wider channels, while Hanro Liebenberg is a relentless worker in his tackling and hitting breakdowns all game. It seems that Liebenberg just doesn’t tire no irrespective of how much work he does. The matchup will likely go under the radar, but it’s crucial in terms of work rate, defensive pressure, and second-phase play.
Predicted Lineups
For Sarries, if it ain’t broke, why fix it? Similar team to last weekend, except one pretty major think. Rogue prediction I know, but I think we may see a 6/2 to combat Tigers very physical pack. I don’t like 6/2 splits – playing it does increase the chances of having to swap midway through if any of the backs get injured, however the beauty of playing Fergus and Max means we have cover at fly half, wing and fullback between just 2 players. Angus Hall deserves a spot in the 23, he really impressed when he came on v Sale. I think we’ll see something like this:
15. Max Malins
14. Noah Caluori
13. Nick Tompkins
12. Olly Hartley
11. Roti Segun
10. Fergus Burke
9. Charlie Bracken
1. Rhys Carre
2. Jamie George
3. Marcus Street
4. Maro Itoje
5. Hugh Tizard
6. Theo McFarland
7. Ben Earl
8. Tom Willis
16. Theo Dan
17. Eroni Mawi
18. Marco Riccioni
19. Harry Wilson
20. Nick Isiekwe
21. Nathan Michelow
22. Ivan van-Zyl
23. Angus Hall
For Leicester, I estimate it’ll be a team similar to the one who demolished Newcastle the other day:
15. Freddie Steward
14. Adam Radwan
13. Will Wand
12. Orlando Bailey
11. Gabe Hamer-Webb
10. Billy Searle
9. Jack van-Poortvliet
1. Nicky Smith
2. Jamie Blamire
3. Joe Heyes
4. Cam Henderson
5. Ollie Chessum
6. Hanro Liebenberg
7. Joaquin Moro
8. Olly Cracknell
16. Charlie Clare
17. Tarek Haffar
18. William Hurd
19. George Martin
20. Hamish Watson
21. Tom Whiteley
22. Izaia Perese
23. Ollie Hassell-Collins
Final Thoughts
This is an extremely tight game to call, virtually impossible I feel. Saracens arguably have the higher attacking ceiling and when in full flow, we could overcome every team in the league. This has been demonstrated at certain points in the season but it’s our defensive frailties and inconsistencies which have plagued us for the most part. Leicester, however, have shown greater consistency and have repeatedly found ways to beat Saracens this season by hook or by crook. Ultimately, this is far more than just another league fixture and feels more like a pivotal point in the season for both teams. Saracens have the chance to prove they can translate attacking brilliance into consistency against top opposition, while Leicester will look to reinforce their authority in this matchup and cement their top 4 ambitions. If Saracens bring the same intensity and execution as last weekend, they are more than capable of turning the tide, but if Leicester impose their structure and dictate the tempo, they will once again underline why they have had the upper hand. We can expect an extremely physical, high-quality contest with momentum swings and playoff-level intensity throughout. I for one am very excited! If Saracens win the tempo battle, they win the game. If Leicester control it, they win the arm wrestle. It’s as simple and as brutal as that. Come on you Sarries.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2026:05:13:20:10:44 by Darraghgirl.
“Sarries have missed considerably more tackles than Leicester, with a tackle success rate of 77% compared to Tigers 79%. Furthermore, the Tigers are tighter at the breakdown, with fewer turnovers conceded than Saracens”
Before the match on the weekend TNT showed that we were the worst in the league for missed tackles, turnovers conceded and handling. It seemed that if we can tighten up on those 3 things we can definitely have a better shot at beating a team above us in the league for only the second time this season. Lose this and we’re definitely done. Win this and we keep clinging on. Either way looking forward to being back home and (according to the forecast for now) in the sun.
My first ever live Sarries match was Leicester at home in 2015 and we snuck into the playoffs that year. Here’s hoping to history repeating itself.
It is a weak league this season (us included) and there is a huge difference between top 2 and the rest of the chasing pack. I think we should be expecting to win this.
Big concern is the breakdown as Sale offered nothing there at the weekend, and we havent exactly been great at looking after our own ball.
Oh, and let's try not to throw the ball directly to Radwan for a run in.
I think you're right about the likely 6/2 but I suspect the way we will make it work is Farrell will play at 12. I'm not actually convinced we need it and I also think that those bench options aren't a continuation of the quality that's starting. If you look at Tigers bringing on Martin and Watson then we have a big drop off. If we had JMG and maybe Onyeama-Christie I'd feel a little different.
I'd like to see us back the same team. 5/3 bench but move Willis into the row when the subs are made as we did a while back to great impact. I appreciate the impact of fresh legs but I suspect in these tough games having the likes of Willis, McFarland, etc still on come 80 or near then will give us our best chance.
I thought Hall was fine. My own bias but I'd have Cinti on the bench if fit. I still want to see him and Hartley together for a run but with that Hartley/Tompkins combo going so well we should reward it.
Personal opinion here - feel free to shoot me down if you don't agree. Rightly or wrongly I don't want to see Farrell starting at all now. I think on the bench at 22 he is an excellent option to have should things not be going to plan and we need someone to steady the ship. He's played well this season on the whole, but Faz and Burke just do not work very well together. They play 2 rather different styles and clash in games, with 1 wanting to kick and the other (more often than not), wanting to run with the ball.
You’d have thought he’d be back in the 23 after being our best player last month
Quote:He is definitely one of my least favourite referees. He too often seems to make the game about himself.Sarriebone
Dickson on the whistle apparently...
Hope we continue to be positive with our team selection and blooding some of the future generations. Particularly interested to see our half back partnership of bracken/burke given a proper test against a proper team. Sale were utterly hopeless.
Quote:Sarriebone
Dickson on the whistle apparently...
Referee: Karl Dickson
AR Christophe Ridley & Jamie Leahy
TMO Hamish Smales
Quote:ComeOnSarriesQuote:He is definitely one of my least favourite referees. He too often seems to make the game about himself.Sarriebone
Dickson on the whistle apparently...
Always tricky but let's hope we play such that he isn't able to be a factor.
A bit like Stonexjim really looking forward to this. With what will hopefully be a good Saints v Bath game afterwards it could be a very good day of rugby watching.
Blind leading the blind
Quote:Sarrov
Probably a bit rich considering how we have performed this season, but I just dont think Leicester are very good. Their performances in the Champions Cup have shown their true level I believe.
It is a weak league this season (us included) and there is a huge difference between top 2 and the rest of the chasing pack. I think we should be expecting to win this.
Big concern is the breakdown as Sale offered nothing there at the weekend, and we havent exactly been great at looking after our own ball.
Oh, and let's try not to throw the ball directly to
Radwan for a run in.
I get your point Sarrov, Tigers seem to have almost slipped unnoticed into the top four, with Bath and Chiefs still in Europe they may even snatch a home semi, as they still play both sides. But having watched them numerous times I've never thought they're particularly special. Whereas watching Bath and Saints at times you can really see the quality. I'm not saying they are rubbish obviously, just a way off the top two. As a Chiefs fan if we end up in a semi final at Welford road id fancy our chances, away at the top two not so much!!
With you on a bit of a high after last weekend, it should be a great game. After the bore fest that was last week's fixtures I'm hoping for some close fought and exciting games. I still think there are some twists and turns in the race for the top four, I don't think you're out of it yet, beat tigers and bris and you're right back in it. The last fixture of the season at sandy Park could be a taste of the old times!
1 Rhys Carre
2 Jamie George
3 Marcus Street
4 Maro Itoje (c)
5 Hugh Tizard
6 Theo McFarland
7 Ben Earl
8 Tom Willis
9 Charlie Bracken
10 Fergus Burke
11 Rotimi Segun
12 Olly Hartley
13 Nick Tompkins
14 Noah Caluori
15 Max Malins
Replacements:
16 Theo Dan
17 Eroni Mawi
18 Marco Riccioni
19 Nick Isiekwe
20 Nathan Michelow
21 Ivan Van Zyl
22 Owen Farrell
23 Lucio Cinti
Steward
GHW
Perese
Bailey
OHC
Searle
JVP
Smith
Blamire
Heyes
Cam
Chessum
Liebenberg
Moro
Cracknell
Clare
AVDF
Hurd
Martin
Williams
Whiteley
Wand
Radwan
Quote:tigerburnie
It's got a Tigers win written all over it, but on your pitch who knows, some players just don't seem to function on it.
This season they sadly seem to be ours!
Should be a cracking game with loads on it for both teams.
Bath sending under 9’s to Saints could open up the door for Tigers getting a home semi.
Quote:tigerburnie
It's got a Tigers win written all over it, but on your pitch who knows, some players just don't seem to function on it.
In what sense does it have Tigers win written all over it?
However, Tigers have been more greater than the sum of their parts this season, and we have been far less.
Quote:Strangelove
Would’ve had Jack Bracks on bench instead of Cinti, speed on wings essential for Maxi at FB
Cinti covers wing, 13 and 15.
At this level Bracken only really covers wing.
Quote:jimfitz12Quote:tigerburnie
It's got a Tigers win written all over it, but on your pitch who knows, some players just don't seem to function on it.
In what sense does it have Tigers win written all over it?
When your tongue is firmly in your cheek I suspect!
It's difficult to tell how good we were last week vs Sale but this game with pretty much the same team bar a few changes on the bench against a tough opponent well positioned in the table should give us a much clearer picture.
If you go on the basis of the season then there's only one winner and the Tigers supporters over on their site are understandably confident. Our hope must be that our consistency was something this selection and approach to playing might address.
I'm happy to see Cinti on the bench. Always good to see Isiekwe but both he and Tizard could do with the sort of performances that suggest an incoming Martin won't step straight into the starting shirt if fit.
Unless the game is won or there are injuries I don't want to see either Burke or Willis subbed. The later to be moved into the row looks less likely with Isiekwe on the bench but I'd still consider it. He's such a huge presence.
Good luck to the players. Well done to the coaches for keeping the faith with the XV and here's hoping for a performance to build on, ideally a win and who knows maybe even NRB or Glos to do us a favour if we do.
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Quote:SarrovQuote:Strangelove
Would’ve had Jack Bracks on bench instead of Cinti, speed on wings essential for Maxi at FB
Cinti covers wing, 13 and 15.
At this level Bracken only really covers wing.
I would take Bracken at 15 over Cinti any day. And wing for that matter.
Quote:The Bard
JMG is a great all rounder but I wouldn’t start him above the 3 selected
He's been a nailed on starter at 6 until McFarland came in and started playing so well. I think he's one of those players who will benefit hugely from how we're playing now. With McFarland still rumoured to be off next season I can see him stepping back into the starting XV above other options unless we go with a lock/6.
Quote:The BardQuote:jimfitz12Quote:tigerburnie
It's got a Tigers win written all over it, but on your pitch who knows, some players just don't seem to function on it.
In what sense does it have Tigers win written all over it?
When your tongue is firmly in your cheek I suspect!
I have an excellent pair of red, white and green striped glasses.
Quote:tigerburnieQuote:The BardQuote:jimfitz12Quote:tigerburnie
It's got a Tigers win written all over it, but on your pitch who knows, some players just don't seem to function on it.
In what sense does it have Tigers win written all over it?
When your tongue is firmly in your cheek I suspect!
I have an excellent pair of red, white and green striped glasses.
You should have great pride at that. Supporting our teams is important through all the ups and downs, having said that I will add ‘come on you sarries’. I hope it’s a cracking game of rugby but the men in black to win by at least 10 points and the 4 tries will do me.
Some really likeable stuff.
Ps- that was one of the worst refereeing performances I’ve seen in years. Funnily enough since the last Karl Dickson horror show. What a clown
Without Dickson, that is a walkover
I thought there were some excellent individual performances there.
Caluori-no words required. One of tizz best games in ages. Where did the olly Hartley side step come from?! Another good game for him. Nt looked good at 13 where I personally much prefer him. One of earls best games for club in ages- particularly good carrier when Willis went off.
But most importantly- I thought Charlie was fantastic, especially in the first half. Noah was I’ll get the plaudits but I thought all of our good attacking play came from simple quick ruck ball that created space and gaps in the backline. Was delighted to see him left on for 75 mins too. A real coming of age game for him.
Very very happy with that performance all round.
Ps- Karl Dickson is a clown
Karl Dickson had one of the worst performances I have ever seen, thank goodness for the TMO.
Bad both ways, I think everyone can agree
Quote:Stopsy
Well he certainly missed some in your favour too. I thought he was poor too so he probably got the dhite decision ratio about right
You are probably right, but sat in the stands its easy to get carried away with the "bias".
Let's hope for a rematch in a few weeks time
Thought there was lots to like about that. Hartley played very well which was pleasing and for my money Charlie was the best player on the pitch. Mitchelow had a very strong game off the bench as well.
Tomos Williams and Alfie B are clearly both excellent players but in Charlie and Nathan we have two fantastic talents we really mustn’t stifle .
The finish by Noah was something pretty special and Olly had no right to score that first try but great side step and real determination paid dividends.
Particularly pleased by Charlie and Fergus in the first half as we really should have scored more given the half chances we made.
We really need Gloucester to do us a massive favour tomorrow and turn over Exeter.
We had 70% possession in the first half and drew it 12 all, 30% at best in the second and won it 7-3!
Delighted for Bracken, Hartley and Michelow who played exceptionally against incredibly tough opposition for pretty much the whole game.
I know Karl Dickson is a bit of a lightening rod for ref critics, but how he and the on field team got so many things totally wrong defies belief.
Encouraging that we’ve conceded less than 20 two weeks running.
Quote:jimfitz12
Not sure we can understate how much of an impact Charlie Bracken has had on this team. The difference in tempo between him and IVZ is literal light years.
A light year is a unit of distance
McFarland saved the day and Cinti was very lucky that his card didn't end up being the deciding factor.
Lots to work on but the result is the thing. If you consider we were second best at scrum time most of the game and lineout most of the first half it was quite a result. Tigers were always going to be tough and it was good to see us not revert to old ways and rather take the game to them in the first half in particular.
I was impressed with Tigers front rowers. I expected to have the edge once the bench came on but we didn't.
Bracken was excellent again but the monumental changes are at 10 and FullBack where we now have players who enliven and enable our attack. We've had quick ball from 9 all season but now we're using it. Malins again breaking the defensive line and causing the opposition issues on almost every carry. Burke with a number of lovely late passes for what should have been line breaks that we fumbled. We definitely need to work on those skills.
Both Maro and Tizard with great games and Earl stepped up well when Willis went off.
I'd have liked to see us hang onto possession a bit more when we weren't really getting the reward from the kicks chase game. Caluoris finish was brilliant and whilst we have lots of young talent Segun continues to show his class.
Martin obviously only just back from injury so too soon to see much impact but it's good to see him playing again.
Quote:The Bard
Very strange game. 4 excellent tries and some great rugby in the first half. Second half desperate, the forwards had clearly agreed to stay in the shade and have as many scrums as physically possible.
We had 70% possession in the first half and drew it 12 all, 30% at best in the second and won it 7-3!
Last week we delivered skills under very little pressure. This week we struggled to do the same again and when the result of a knock-on is the set piece where you're struggling for parity it's not ideal. However I was pleased to see us stick with it and of the view that our execution and the understanding between players will improve as we continue to play this way.
Watching Saints in the following game was an indication of how much work there is still to do with our attack but I believe we can absolutely do it.
Quote:#wolfpack1
Tomos Williams and Alfie B are clearly both excellent players but in Charlie and Nathan we have two fantastic talents we really mustn’t stifle .
Williams is obviously going to be a great addition but I honestly think backing Bracken as the starter, having Van-Zyl on the bench and using the extra money elsewhere might have made more sense. I worry slightly about Bracken sitting behind Williams next season.
Personally I'm not seeing it yet with Michelow. It's early days and he's been fine.
Roti really reminds me of an NFL running back the way he bounce off tackles.
I like that we were willing to throw the ball around as well, I have no voice today from yelling at the refs decisions lol.
Charlie's pass is a thing of beauty.
I didn't know Hartley had that kind of footwork in him.
Tompkins is a 13, always had been, always will be
Quote:PaulHeroxQuote:#wolfpack1
Tomos Williams and Alfie B are clearly both excellent players but in Charlie and Nathan we have two fantastic talents we really mustn’t stifle .
Williams is obviously going to be a great addition but I honestly think backing Bracken as the starter, having Van-Zyl on the bench and using the extra money elsewhere might have made more sense. I worry slightly about Bracken sitting behind Williams next season.
Personally I'm not seeing it yet with Michelow. It's early days and he's been fine.
9 is such a vital position that you need at least 2 top class options imo. Also, if we want to play at real pace, as we should do with our squad, the ability to switch 9 after 50mins with no drop off in quality is a real asset.
I have been a huge IVZ fan but he has definitely dropped off a level over the past 12 months or so and Williams should be a big step up.
Olly scored against Bath a few seasons ago when we rested the first team towards the end of the season when home semi was already secured. I remember it very well as he put Lawrence on his @#$%& whilst scoring. Commentators said coaches had been looking for more consistency from Olly - helps if you pick him and give him the opportunity, though! I want him to make the 12 shirt his own.
Fortunately, Cinti’s yellow did not impact the result. I think the experiment of Cinti has not worked - he is a great centre in a great Pumas backline, it just doesn’t translate into club rugby for Saracens. I wonder if it helps JMG having a fellow Puma at the club after they were together at Irish, perhaps they come as a package. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up in France at the end of his contract and sad to admit I wouldn’t be that fussed if he does move on, imho.
Quote:Strangelove
Max is a confidence player and after last week and the change at 9 and 10 he has the confidence to play like Max of old. He has never been the fastest, neither was Goode, it’s their skills and intelligence that are/were their strength.
Olly scored against Bath a few seasons ago when we rested the first team towards the end of the season when home semi was already secured. I remember it very well as he put Lawrence on his @#$%& whilst scoring. Commentators said coaches had been looking for more consistency from Olly - helps if you pick him and give him the opportunity, though! I want him to make the 12 shirt his own.
Fortunately, Cinti’s yellow did not impact the result. I think the experiment of Cinti has not worked - he is a great centre in a
great Pumas backline, it just doesn’t translate into club rugby for Saracens. I wonder if it helps JMG having a fellow Puma at the club after they were together at Irish, perhaps they come as a package. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up in France at the end of his contract and sad to admit I wouldn’t be that fussed if he does move on, imho.
Cinti looked completely disinterested in the tiki Tonga song video on social media
You deserved the win.
Itoje and the youngsters shone for you (Bracken, Hartley, Calouri and Michelow)
Quote:SarrovQuote:PaulHeroxQuote:#wolfpack1
Tomos Williams and Alfie B are clearly both excellent players but in Charlie and Nathan we have two fantastic talents we really mustn’t stifle .
Williams is obviously going to be a great addition but I honestly think backing Bracken as the starter, having Van-Zyl on the bench and using the extra money elsewhere might have made more sense. I worry slightly about Bracken sitting behind Williams next season.
Personally I'm not seeing it yet with Michelow. It's early days and he's been fine.
9 is such a vital position that you need at least 2 top class options imo. Also, if we want to play at real pace, as we should do with our squad, the ability to switch 9 after 50mins with no drop off in quality is a real asset.
I have been a huge IVZ fan but he has definitely dropped off a level over the past 12 months or so and Williams should be a big step up.
100% agree with this. We can’t expect Charlie to play 78 mins each match and if he gets injured then the drop off is so big that it will badly hamper our season. Also Williams is a proper international and Lion for Bracken and Stewart-Harris to learn from.
Quote:PaulHerox
Hopefully Willis is alright after his HIA. We did well without him but we certainly missed him.
McFarland saved the day and Cinti was very lucky that his card didn't end up being the deciding factor.
Lots to work on but the result is the thing. If you consider we were second best at scrum time most of the game and lineout most of the first half it was quite a result. Tigers were always going to be tough and it was good to see us not revert to old ways and rather take the game to them in the first half in particular.
I was impressed with Tigers front rowers. I expected to have the edge once the bench came on but we didn't.
Bracken was excellent again but the monumental changes are at 10 and FullBack where we now have players who enliven and enable our attack. We've had quick ball from 9 all season but now we're using it. Malins again breaking the defensive line and causing the opposition issues on almost every carry. Burke with a number of lovely late passes for what should have been line breaks that we fumbled. We definitely need to work on those skills.
Both Maro and Tizard with great games and Earl stepped up well when Willis went off.
I'd have liked to see us hang onto possession a bit more when we weren't really getting the reward from the kicks chase game. Caluoris finish was brilliant and whilst we have lots of young talent Segun continues to show his class.
Martin obviously only just back from injury so too soon to see much impact but it's good to see him playing again.
Quote:The Bard
Very strange game. 4 excellent tries and some great rugby in the first half. Second half desperate, the forwards had clearly agreed to stay in the shade and have as many scrums as physically possible.
We had 70% possession in the first half and drew it 12 all, 30% at best in the second and won it 7-3!
Last week we delivered skills under very little pressure. This week we struggled to do the same again and when the result of a knock-on is the set piece where you're struggling for parity it's not ideal. However I was pleased to see us stick with it and of the view that our execution and the understanding between players will improve as we continue to play this way.
Watching Saints in the following game was an indication of how much work there is still to do with our attack but I believe we can absolutely do it.
Agree we have had quick ball all season, but the way the two 9’s have used it is so different. IVZ (often very poorly) passes the ball straight from the base, whilst Charlie will often attack the gaps around the breakdown and look for willing runners and space. Makes such a difference.
Quote:Sarrov
I have been a huge IVZ fan but he has definitely dropped off a level over the past 12 months or so and Williams should be a big step up.
Last season Van-Zyl's performance was a major issue. He continuously slowed the play down for our kick-chase game.
We know my view has always been that was coaching lead. If people still refuse to believe that when since the start of this season we have had one of the quickest ruck deliveries in the League regardless of 9 that's up to them.
Early season some of our best trys were set up by snipes at the base and support play from Van-Zyl.
I'm delighted to see Bracken pay so well and the accuracy of his pass is a thing of beauty. I'm also happy with him being a starter. Similarly no disagreement that Williams is a step up on Van-Zyl.
I'd still have preferred Bracken as starting 9 for next season with Van-Zyl on the bench as opposed to Williams starting with Bracken on the bench although I agree that it's a step up in overall quality.
Williams is the sort of sniping 9 you bring in to complement a 10 who has a passing and kicking game but offers no threat at the gainline. Will people still be as happy when we start next season with Williams, Farrell and Daly and we get 20-30 minutes of Bracken, Burke and Malins from the bench. That's very much how I see this going although I could obviously be wrong.
Lots of people forgetting that Malins would likely still be getting 20 minutes on the wing had Daly not been injured and my feeling is Burke is a single poor performance away from being rotated back onto the bench for Farrell.
Cinti is a tricky one. He's not had much luck in terms of injuries. His and others that have stuck him on the wing rather than at centre. When he's played it's been outside Farrell and Tompkins which has rarely been a recipe for getting much ball. He's one of those players who I think how we're now playing will suit and get the best out of.
We did well yesterday and I've always been a fan of Tompkins but some pace in that 13 channel would have been great.
Right now he's in that position where he's struggling to have the impact he wants and every mistake is magnified, think Malins earlier this season, but he's playing ok and will improve IMO.
Of course with a season left on his contract if he's not looking to stay I can understand us looking at other options and in Hall we have a promising one.
I guess my main point is we have quite a few players who are under-used and have been poorly served by our coaches game plan in my view. I think how we're playing now will really suit them so I'd like to see them given a chance.
If that doesn't happen that's just how it goes and in many cases we have promising young players coming through so the benefits may well be seen further down the road.
Williams is just a better player and I cant see how upgrading one of the key positions in the side is anything but a positive. He is far more than a sniping 9 - he has an all round game, is an experienced international and British Lion. As someone above said, who better for our young 9s to learn from.
Particularly with running 10s becoming more prevalent. I don’t think we’ll see a return to Farrell and Daly as first choice unless injuries occur, especially with the change at the top.
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I didn't know Hartley had that kind of footwork in him.
Tompkins is a 13, always had been, always will be
Agree about Tompkins - would always have him their given choice of position
Re Olly - we used to see the sidestep a lot hwne he first joined us and played as a super-sub. He scored a number of tries like that, but then got a horrific injury which was all our fault. I had to look it up; it was in April 2024, so two years ago against Gloucester in the 81st minute when we insisted on keeping playing instead of kicking the ball oout, despite being 46-24 up and being physically knackered. He got tackled and did his knee.
Apparently it was "a ruptured anterior cruciate ligament, a ruptured meniscus, a ruptured medial collateral ligament and a torn posterior cruciate ligament." so nothing trivial!!
He worked hard and got back very quickly but it is only recently that he has seemed to me to be hitting the sort of form he had before the injury. Hardly surprising!! It was so good to see and good luck to him.
Quote:ComeOnSarries
If we can win away at Bristol on the 9th May then I really can see it all going down to the wire on the last day of the season at Sandy Park. Bristol have to play both Bath and Northampton and Exeter have not got an easy run in either! That is a big “if”but you would hope we wouldn’t die for the lack of trying.
Woah there Nelly!
Let's not forget that the downside of that Glos performance is they may well not be the relatively likely win we'd have thought before this game even though they're visiting the StoneX. Likewise nothing would please the very rubbish Quins team than turning us over at the StoneX.
Complacency/lack of focus has been a major issue for us all season so let's not even for a second consider any of these games as gimmes nor start counting our Chiefs chickens for the last game of the season!
Quote:TommyKentish
Williams having an absolute stormer for Glaws so far, hopefully they can do us a big favour here.
Brilliant first 25. As I said his sniping game is different level.
Thereafter he played well but made a couple of really bad calls that Glos were lucky didn't cost them.
Throwing the ball blind backwards when metres from the Chiefs try line on half time was a shocker. Not only blew Glos chance of going in another score ahead but could easily have been run the length of the field if it went wrong.
Great result for us and Bears chasing 4th. The game in a fortnights time is going to be exciting.
It's actually going to be an amazing weekend of Prem rugby.
Bath will have played UBB and Chiefs Ulster. They meet up in the Prem in a fortnight at Sandy Park and neither can afford to send a full 2nds team. So potentially two tough games in a row which probably favours Bath given we have just seen how well their 2nds did at Saints.
Tigers have their Derby at Welford Rd with Saints who despite a win this week will probably be searching for a much better performance.
Bears is obviously an away fixture for us but they have really got quite an injury list to contend with.
Sarries, Saints and Bath away wins would be an incredible result. Anyone who gets granted a magic wish over the next 10 days odd knows what to ask for.
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If we can win away at Bristol on the 9th May then I really can see it all going down to the wire on the last day of the season at Sandy Park. Bristol have to play both Bath and Northampton and Exeter have not got an easy run in either! That is a big “if”but you would hope we wouldn’t die for the lack of trying.
Woah there Nelly!
Let's not forget that the downside of that Glos performance is they may well not be the relatively likely win we'd have thought before this game even though they're visiting the StoneX. Likewise nothing would please the very rubbish Quins team than turning us over at the StoneX.
Complacency/lack of focus has been a major issue for us all season so let's not even for a second consider any of these games as gimmes nor start counting our Chiefs chickens for the last game of the season!
I dont think our complacency as fans has any bearing on results tbh.
We should expect to win both of our home games. Bears away next time out is a test, but they are extremely beatable - especially as they seem to be racking up injuries.
Quote:TommyKentish
Williams having an absolute stormer for Glaws so far, hopefully they can do us a big favour here.
He is a real class act. Showed an all round passing game, big clearance kicks and box kicking on the money and a well taken try. If the Glos hands through 10, 12, 13 had been better it could have been a much more comfortable result
Quote:PaulHeroxQuote:TommyKentish
Williams having an absolute stormer for Glaws so far, hopefully they can do us a big favour here.
Brilliant first 25. As I said his sniping game is different level.
Thereafter he played well but made a couple of really bad calls that Glos were lucky didn't cost them.
Throwing the ball blind backwards when metres from the Chiefs try line on half time was a shocker. Not only blew Glos chance of going in another score ahead but could easily have been run the length of the field if it went wrong.
Great result for us and Bears chasing 4th. The game in a fortnights time is going to be exciting.
It's actually going to be an amazing weekend of Prem rugby.
Bath will have played UBB and Chiefs Ulster. They meet up in the Prem in a fortnight at Sandy Park and neither can afford to send a full 2nds team. So potentially two tough games in a row which probably favours Bath given we have just seen how well their 2nds did at Saints.
Tigers have their Derby at Welford Rd with Saints who despite a win this week will probably be searching for a much better performance.
Bears is obviously an away fixture for us but they have really got quite an injury list to contend with.
Sarries, Saints and Bath away wins would be an incredible result. Anyone who gets granted a magic wish over the next 10 days odd knows what to ask for.
Funnily enough I made my comment at around 20 mins. He definitely faded toward the end but Glos as a team did. Also his first game back from injury. Him and Bracken going hell for leather for a 50/30 mins a match should be excellent for us.
Quote:TommyKentish
Also his first game back from injury. Him and Bracken going hell for leather for a 50/30 mins a match should be excellent for us.
I hadn't appreciated that. In which case that's an amazing shift.
Not for a second denying he's going to be a great addition as a player. How and who we play with him is my slight concern.
Quote:TommyKentish
It seems to me that 9 is also becoming increasing important (as if it wasn’t already) as a playmaker in the French style,
Particularly with running 10s becoming more prevalent. I don’t think we’ll see a return to Farrell and Daly as first choice unless injuries occur, especially with the change at the top.
One doesn’t like to blow one’s own trumpet but glad to see Mr Goode agrees 😅
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