COML Referendum on our Future
COML Referendum
By CoochieCoo
August 14 2019
There has been recent debate on the advantages and disadvantages of SN on 'ere and at other Clubs.
Glos never moved completely to SN from Rivals and started Shedweb. Recently Quins and Wasps have moved to standalone sites and Sale have decided to move to another standalone site, hoping other clubs follow suit. Wuss have decided to split some going to the new site including the editor and the SN site is now edited by the original startup editor. Falcons have also some activity on this site but some still use SN.
ERE and COML have been on SN since 2002 and we have grumbled many times of the frustrations experienced. Recently SN have made some changes and mostly for the better but not far enough for some.
We three mods have been discussing what we should do and are seeking your views in a poll by PM. We are doing this because we do not want the poll to be hijacked by non Bath members.
At present there are over 200 active posters over the last 18 months and some 70 who haven't posted since Jul 2018 but have posted on COML since 2013. There are many more lurkers who do not post at all and may not have a registered name!
We are therefore seeking an answer to the question “Should we stay with SN?” Yes, No or Don’t care?
Rules are one vote per member to be made before 8 AM on 2 September 2019. We require to make the poll valid a minimum turnout of 70 votes (35% of our current active members) and the winning margin will be a minimum of 60/40 ratio. Don’t cares will be counted in the total votes but ignored for the win ratio.
Please send PMs to me CoochieCoo and I will respond to you of safe receipt with a copy to Hasta and P G Tips. You can send a PM by typing my board name (case sensitive) in the "To" box and click the Add recipient. If the name is not recognised an error message will appear otherwise the name you typed will appear underneath with an "x" in the top right corner. If you want to keep a copy of your sent message under the Subject box there is a tick box to retain the sent message. Subject is Poll and then just put, Yes (to stay), No (to go) or Don't care.
The Pros of staying
- A lot of COML and ERE history may be lost
- COML is more than a forum it’s a fanzine
- COML is colourful and active
- ERE and COML have been with SN since 2002 and have established a presence with supporters and search engines, moving may mean loss of some members
- COML is able to earn about £75 a year which is donated to charities after the expense of registering the domain
- SN have promised to sort out security (since writing this, site is now secure)
- We provide a link to sites not on SN such as Quins, Shedweb, Sale and Wasps which are two clicks away
- We are the second most visited site on SN rugby boards after Saints
- There is a large group behind SN
- It’s the devil we know
The Pros of moving
- More modern forums have better facilities such as posting images direct
- Security if not sorted out by SN
- SN slow in reacting to issues although things have improved recently e.g. search facility, clock
- Not having to post a story every fortnight to stay live (thanks to PG Tips not really an issue for us)
- Being with other clubs (though at the moment VFT22 only has activity in Sale, Wuss and Falcons and at present very little activity even accounting for the off season).
Hope this is clear but we are happy to answer or get answers to any questions you may have.
COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Comeonmylovers.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 08:04
What do you think? You can have your say by posting below.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019:09:02:08:20:38 by CoochieCoo.
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 09:11
I’m disappointed that this issue has been raised again so soon CC. I thought the consensus was to let matters rest for a decent period of time & see how the other groups of supporters find their new sites. However, I’m sure you have good reasons to institute this poll but we must ALL be clear about the process. It has to be assumed that some of us are not as IT savvy as others. Firstly what is a a PM? Secondly, where is the top box in which we enter the names? I’m sure I would eventually find it but it would be easier if you made it clear. Also, is this process the same on desk top & mobile versions. Thanks.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 09:45
A PM is a private message. On the desk top they are in Control Centre and then click Private Messages then New Message, you will see the To bar is apparent,
On the mobile site there is a link to PMs in the horizontal navigation bar click and continue with clicking me message.
We discussed timing and it was felt this needed to be aired before the new season started one way or another.
If anyone else has any questions please post them ‘ere. I am on guide duty at Lacock Abbey today so will respond this evening, unless PGT or Hasta have time to respond in the meantime.
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On the mobile site there is a link to PMs in the horizontal navigation bar click and continue with clicking me message.
We discussed timing and it was felt this needed to be aired before the new season started one way or another.
If anyone else has any questions please post them ‘ere. I am on guide duty at Lacock Abbey today so will respond this evening, unless PGT or Hasta have time to respond in the meantime.
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 10:45
Is this an advisory or mandatory referendum?!?!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 10:55
gaz
We mods want to know the preference of our members, rather than decide among ourselves -in isolation.
The referendum is not "mandatory" for the voter, but if there is a strong majority either way we would feel we had to implement that majority's wishes.
As you will see above we propose a minimum 35% turnout for the referendum to be valid - with minimum 60:40 split in voting to effect a decision.
I hope that clarifies.
PG
We mods want to know the preference of our members, rather than decide among ourselves -in isolation.
The referendum is not "mandatory" for the voter, but if there is a strong majority either way we would feel we had to implement that majority's wishes.
As you will see above we propose a minimum 35% turnout for the referendum to be valid - with minimum 60:40 split in voting to effect a decision.
I hope that clarifies.
PG
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: JFPC (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 11:12
For me it's a chicken and egg affair. At the moment this is the site with the most actively represented clubs. Whilst that remains the case I'd prefer to stay here. If a majority move to a new site (eg vft22) then I'd be then up for moving. Assuming I'm active enough to be given a vote how should I vote to make these feelings clear?
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 11:30
'Rules are one vote per member to be made before 8 AM on 2 September 2019.'
'We require to make the poll valid a minimum turnout of 70 votes (35% of our current active members)'
The first Bath game is 21st September and this site just isn't anywhere near as active at the moment.
Whilst the topic is obviously important (relatively speaking!) I think that it is about a month too early. In fact I will put my money where my mouth is and say that if we get 70 or more votes from unique active users by 8 AM on 2 September 2019 then I will donate £10 to Dorothy House and screenshot you the evidence.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
'We require to make the poll valid a minimum turnout of 70 votes (35% of our current active members)'
The first Bath game is 21st September and this site just isn't anywhere near as active at the moment.
Whilst the topic is obviously important (relatively speaking!) I think that it is about a month too early. In fact I will put my money where my mouth is and say that if we get 70 or more votes from unique active users by 8 AM on 2 September 2019 then I will donate £10 to Dorothy House and screenshot you the evidence.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 11:51
JFPC
Send a Private Message (PM- see Coochie's post above if you've not sent one before) to Coochie, myself and hasta with your vote.
Your comment will be recorded in case the momentum shifts and a critical mass suggests a need to change.
PG
Send a Private Message (PM- see Coochie's post above if you've not sent one before) to Coochie, myself and hasta with your vote.
Your comment will be recorded in case the momentum shifts and a critical mass suggests a need to change.
PG
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 13:34
as an outsider, there are 4 sites i visit including this one.
i like that but that facility is diminishing.
Id hate to use just the nominal team i support.
Will wait and see what you do...
i like that but that facility is diminishing.
Id hate to use just the nominal team i support.
Will wait and see what you do...
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 13:34
Yes- BathMatt does have a point. I agree that the deadline should be extended.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: nixworld2 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 14:27
The fact that it was an absolute ball ache to find and send the PMs on this, is an indication that the site isn't really fit for purpose! (Also, why send a PM to all three? Seems a bit labour intensive!)
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 15:21
nixworld2
The Mods agreed all three so there would be no confusion between us as to how many votes had been received.
Sorry you found PM a chore- a learning point for those of us used to sending & receiving PMs!
PG
The Mods agreed all three so there would be no confusion between us as to how many votes had been received.
Sorry you found PM a chore- a learning point for those of us used to sending & receiving PMs!
PG
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 15:24
As a suggestion do the mods, CC, PGT and Hasta have a list of the active members? If so why not circumvent the 'you PM us' by the mods sending a PM to all those COML members deemed active?
That we we all get a yellow box that we click to reply to with our vote. We would also know the identity of the voters. No need for any technical skill as you reply to the PM in the same way as you post messages on the board.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
That we we all get a yellow box that we click to reply to with our vote. We would also know the identity of the voters. No need for any technical skill as you reply to the PM in the same way as you post messages on the board.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 16:11
shipwrecked
We do - but did not want to exclude any "lurkers" who felt strongly enough to vote.
it would also be more labour intensive for us to PM everybody.
However, it is a good idea - if we receive underwhelming response it could be worth consideration.
PG
We do - but did not want to exclude any "lurkers" who felt strongly enough to vote.
it would also be more labour intensive for us to PM everybody.
However, it is a good idea - if we receive underwhelming response it could be worth consideration.
PG
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 16:27
Quote:P G Tips
shipwrecked
We do - but did not want to exclude any "lurkers" who felt strongly enough to vote.
it would also be more labour intensive for us to PM everybody.
However, it is a good idea - if we receive underwhelming response it could be worth consideration.
PG
If there was no objection, me not being a mod, I would happily help with the admin for this task.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 17:36
Quote:BathMatt53
'Rules are one vote per member to be made before 8 AM on 2 September 2019.'
'We require to make the poll valid a minimum turnout of 70 votes (35% of our current active members)'
The first Bath game is 21st September and this site just isn't anywhere near as active at the moment.
Whilst the topic is obviously important (relatively speaking!) I think that it is about a month too early. In fact I will put my money where my mouth is and say that if we get 70 or more votes from unique active users by 8 AM on 2 September 2019 then I will donate £10 to Dorothy House and screenshot you the evidence.
I have been monitoring the board with the search facility and in the last week there have been 80 logged in members who have visited COML at least once, of which half have posted at least once. Lurkers who have not logged in will not be included.
The tigers site have had a poll on this and last time I looked they had 70 votes.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 17:47
Quote:JFPC
For me it's a chicken and egg affair. At the moment this is the site with the most actively represented clubs. Whilst that remains the case I'd prefer to stay here. If a majority move to a new site (eg vft22) then I'd be then up for moving. Assuming I'm active enough to be given a vote how should I vote to make these feelings clear?
All posters active or who have posted in the past but not active now are legible to vote. With the search facility we can identify when a poster last posted and whether he is a Bath supporter.
I suppose if the majority leave for another board we will all probably think it is a good thing to move. At the moment Wasps, Glos and Quins are on three separate boards and I have provided links in the navigation bar to them. Sale has moved to VFT22 and they also have a link. Wuss is split as is Irish and I think Falcons between VFT22 and SN.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 17:51
Happy if the other mods agree to field all PMs and I will forward a copy to them. The reason for all three is to be as check on each other to ensure fairness in the counting.
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 21:04
Having read around a bit now a couple of things come to mind.
1) CC I wonder if the same scrutiny to establish member identity is reciprocated on the other polls?
2) I agree with Matt about posters activity in the summer, you do wonder if some of those on the Worcester Warriors board will come back and find everybody has moved out!
3) I don't really understand how a club's forum can be split between 2 sites, surely that is the worst of both worlds.
4) The options on the Tigers board seem to me to dilute the votes, what would the options be on the 'Recksit referendum' ?
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
1) CC I wonder if the same scrutiny to establish member identity is reciprocated on the other polls?
2) I agree with Matt about posters activity in the summer, you do wonder if some of those on the Worcester Warriors board will come back and find everybody has moved out!
3) I don't really understand how a club's forum can be split between 2 sites, surely that is the worst of both worlds.
4) The options on the Tigers board seem to me to dilute the votes, what would the options be on the 'Recksit referendum' ?
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 21:36
In terms of activity there is an interesting table on the tigers board which shows that (on their board) activity in August is about 10% of may / June albeit we are only 2/3 through the month. Would be interested to see the stat for us. No issue whatsoever with the vote otherwise though, seems sensible.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 21:44
Shipwrecked my responses
1) CC I wonder if the same scrutiny to establish member identity is reciprocated on the other polls?
No it hasn’t. That is why I wanted a response by PM. There is no way of identifying who has voted on a poll. I voted on both Tigers and Wuss and it was accepted. I did cancel these test votes.
I have a list of all active members and if I receive a vote from a name I do not recognise I can use the search facility to see their activity and check for genuine Bath supporters.
2) I agree with Matt about posters activity in the summer, you do wonder if some of those on the Worcester Warriors board will come back and find everybody has moved out!
It’s a possibility. However we are asking for 60/40 win ratio and a 70 minimum. If we don’t achieve the minimum the status quo prevails. So it won’t happen with us.
3) I don't really understand how a club's forum can be split between 2 sites, surely that is the worst of both world.
Agreed and the acrimony that has been achieved at Wuss by both sides is to be avoided at all costs, hence the PM vote to avoid intrusion into our internal affairs.
4) The options on the Tigers board seem to me to dilute the votes, what would the options be on the 'Recksit referendum' ?
Agreed. I think our binary approach albeit with a don’t care option is more positive and will avoid dilution. The don’t care votes will be added to the yes and no votes for the 70 minimum. They will be ignored to calculate the 60:40 ratio.
1) CC I wonder if the same scrutiny to establish member identity is reciprocated on the other polls?
No it hasn’t. That is why I wanted a response by PM. There is no way of identifying who has voted on a poll. I voted on both Tigers and Wuss and it was accepted. I did cancel these test votes.
I have a list of all active members and if I receive a vote from a name I do not recognise I can use the search facility to see their activity and check for genuine Bath supporters.
2) I agree with Matt about posters activity in the summer, you do wonder if some of those on the Worcester Warriors board will come back and find everybody has moved out!
It’s a possibility. However we are asking for 60/40 win ratio and a 70 minimum. If we don’t achieve the minimum the status quo prevails. So it won’t happen with us.
3) I don't really understand how a club's forum can be split between 2 sites, surely that is the worst of both world.
Agreed and the acrimony that has been achieved at Wuss by both sides is to be avoided at all costs, hence the PM vote to avoid intrusion into our internal affairs.
4) The options on the Tigers board seem to me to dilute the votes, what would the options be on the 'Recksit referendum' ?
Agreed. I think our binary approach albeit with a don’t care option is more positive and will avoid dilution. The don’t care votes will be added to the yes and no votes for the 70 minimum. They will be ignored to calculate the 60:40 ratio.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2019 22:27
Quote:BathMatt53
In terms of activity there is an interesting table on the tigers board which shows that (on their board) activity in August is about 10% of may / June albeit we are only 2/3 through the month. Would be interested to see the stat for us. No issue whatsoever with the vote otherwise though, seems sensible.
Thank you Matt for your support. The tigers table was posted on 10 Aug so 9 days into August. Our equivalent figure is
May visitors 11762
June visitors 6885
August visitors 5656 up to 18 Aug
This year we have no preseason games to chat about in August. Last year we had 12664 for the whole month so maybe 10,000 by end of Aug, so down on last year. Let’s see!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2019 08:54
Interesting CC, cheers. I guess notably we have the WC build-up and a few of those threads in August whereas the S.A. games last year in June. Not much Bath activity last month or two (awaits Bath social media comments...).
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2019 10:17
Quote:shipwrecked
3) I don't really understand how a club's forum can be split between 2 sites, surely that is the worst of both worlds.
Totally agree Shipwrecked, three of the forums are now split but each under different scenarios
Worcester - 95% have moved across as a result of the vote and JP had come across too until he decided to take over the board on here hence why it's still going
Newcastle - The mods decided to move across but probably should have consulted the members first, some have come across and some haven't
London Irish - Been in conversation with Griff who mods the board, he's really busy at the moment but he's been considering moving for a while. Waiting on a decision about their board but more and more members are joining VFT22 so that one seems a matter of time in my opinion.
As a more general point, if you're considering which way to vote, sign up to VFT22 and have a look around first, have a play around with the system to see what you think and if you have any questions then fire away on here or there
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 22Dropout (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2019 10:23
The 3 separate PMs is a real PITA. I’ve tried but still cannot see all three in my sent items. Surely a successful PM to any of the three should suffice for this opinion poll? If you’re sticking rigidly to that, then it might help if Hasta responded on the thread (as Cooch and PGT have done) so then people can at least respond to his post with a PM which seems to be the easiest route?
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2019 10:44
Thanks 22Dropout your vote received. I actually got two from you but didn’t see Hasta or P G Tips’ names on the recipient list. You actually don’t have to send three PMs just one by typing in our names and adding recipient for each person in the To box. However, I am replying to each vote with copies to Hasta and PGT so I shall make an executive decision to ask all of you who haven’t yet voted to send it to me only. I think Hasta and PGT will not object.
To retain a copy of your sent PM you have to tick a box at the top. The system defaults to not retaining a sent PM which is a point I will take up with SN.
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To retain a copy of your sent PM you have to tick a box at the top. The system defaults to not retaining a sent PM which is a point I will take up with SN.
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 22Dropout (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2019 11:27
Cheers CC. Sensible solution.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2019 14:31
PM sent to all 3 of you.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2019 14:54
Thank you Bath Salmon and responded.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2019 14:09
Apologies, I've been slammed recently. Please feel free to PM from here - but as CC said, you can just message him.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2019 14:11
Just to add one little bit of detail - should we choose to leave, that means the COML domain name will leave as well and point to vft22. Someone could choose to continue a Sportsnetwork site if they wished, but it would not retain the COML domain as I hold this (inherited from stu and on behalf of the mods).
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: TeflonTed (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2019 15:41
[quote CoochieCoo][quote JFPC] Sale has moved to VFT22 and they also have a link. Wuss is split as is Irish and I think Falcons between VFT22 and SN.[/quote]
Before you finally decide on the timing and process of your referendum, it may be well to learn a lesson from us at Wuss.
We are, as CC quite correctly points out, currently split. That’s because the clear majority vote of posters (31 of 47 votes cast) who voted YES to “Does ComeOnYouWarriors move to VFT22” was not respected.
A previous moderator, not convinced that VFT22 was a correct move, chose to take over as mod. to keep the Wuss SN site alive. (The previous mod. moved with the vote).
The traffic on the 2 sites now tells its own story, readers will draw their own conclusions,
Good luck with your deliberations, and for the coming season.
Before you finally decide on the timing and process of your referendum, it may be well to learn a lesson from us at Wuss.
We are, as CC quite correctly points out, currently split. That’s because the clear majority vote of posters (31 of 47 votes cast) who voted YES to “Does ComeOnYouWarriors move to VFT22” was not respected.
A previous moderator, not convinced that VFT22 was a correct move, chose to take over as mod. to keep the Wuss SN site alive. (The previous mod. moved with the vote).
The traffic on the 2 sites now tells its own story, readers will draw their own conclusions,
Good luck with your deliberations, and for the coming season.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2019 16:02
To be clear, nothing is stopping sportsnetwork and/or anyone else continuing to run this site and anyone else could continue to post on it if they wanted. I suppose what we're committing to as mods is to set up a new site using the COML banner and COML domain name on VFT22 if the majority do vote to move.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: TeflonTed (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2019 16:45
Quote:Very true Hasta, hopefully fair minded folk will go or stay as indicated by the voting majority.hasta
To be clear, nothing is stopping sportsnetwork and/or anyone else continuing to run this site and anyone else could continue to post on it if they wanted. I suppose what we're committing to as mods is to set up a new site using the COML banner and COML domain name on VFT22 if the majority do vote to move.
Having just re-read the thread header, I feel it’s only fair to point out that for those who like to view and chat with other clubs, all prem forums can reached with one click from the vft22 Premiership index page.
I was a “stayer” when we first started discussing it at Wuss, but became a “mover” after having a good look around vft22.
It’s a bit like when your pc goes non-responsive yet again and you finally bite the bullet and go Apple.
It all just works.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 21/08/2019 18:42
Wuss non SN site now added to Non SN Club links. .m version in site navigation, DT version in drop down box in navigation bar below logo.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Widcombe boy (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 08:48
Done! PITA is a new one to me but I agree, them pm's certainly are!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 09:15
Is it possible for us to gain access to the vft22 site just to see what it’s like before committing, although I have initially voted against.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Chris1850 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 09:22
Quote:Bath Hammer
Is it possible for us to gain access to the vft22 site just to see what it’s like before committing, although I have initially voted against.
Anyone can browse the forum here
[forum.viewfromthe22.com]
In order to get the full functionality of seeing read/unread items and to be able to post etc, you will need to register which is very easy to do
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 10:15
Quote:Widcombe Boy
Done! PITA is a new one to me but I agree, them pm's certainly are!
We have agreed that you only need to send one PM to one of us.
An easier way to send a PM is to click the moniker of the individual in a posting they have made and in their profile is a link to PMs. The name of the person is already there and just put in the subject and message click the retain message box and submit. Done!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 10:32
Quote:Chris1850Quote:Bath Hammer
Is it possible for us to gain access to the vft22 site just to see what it’s like before committing, although I have initially voted against.
Anyone can browse the forum here
[forum.viewfromthe22.com]
In order to get the full functionality of seeing read/unread items and to be able to post etc, you will need to register which is very easy to do
VFT22 is not the only site we can move to, have a look at the links to Quins and Wasps to see what they have to offer. Also Shedweb and other sites such as Reddit and any others that people recommend. All these will need to be investigated for suitability for the COML brand and domain.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Lost Soul (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 10:35
Just had a look at the other site and looks ok. Not certain I can see much in the way off real world advantages though waiting on my profile to be activated.
I did notice annoying adverts mind message board which is something I don’t see in SN. I only use the mobile version.
One question did come to mind.
The current forum is supported by sports networks, who supports the new one.
Is it some basement programmer’s pet project which will eventually fall into disrepair or is it supported by a professional organisation that will ensure it is future proof.
I did notice annoying adverts mind message board which is something I don’t see in SN. I only use the mobile version.
One question did come to mind.
The current forum is supported by sports networks, who supports the new one.
Is it some basement programmer’s pet project which will eventually fall into disrepair or is it supported by a professional organisation that will ensure it is future proof.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 10:45
Firstly can I thank everybody involved in this site on all their work in keeping it going and making it all possible.
I am afraid that it would be wrong of me to vote Stay or Leave as I have absolutely no strong feelings and no knowledge of those two options. But I do not wish to vote "I don't care" because I do care but I don't know what I am caring about!
I am afraid that it would be wrong of me to vote Stay or Leave as I have absolutely no strong feelings and no knowledge of those two options. But I do not wish to vote "I don't care" because I do care but I don't know what I am caring about!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 11:19
BSJ
Could we accurately assume that you do care that COML continues, but don't know which form of site would be best?
CC has tried to summarise Pros & Cons in his preamble.
Further comments - by CC & others - in this thread help explain the debate. One above by Lost Soul is particularly pertinent in my view.
PG
Could we accurately assume that you do care that COML continues, but don't know which form of site would be best?
CC has tried to summarise Pros & Cons in his preamble.
Further comments - by CC & others - in this thread help explain the debate. One above by Lost Soul is particularly pertinent in my view.
PG
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 11:33
Durham Associates Group is not a large group and as far as I can see have a staff of 6. They file modified small company accounts.
The Quins and Wasps sites are using platforms the former is TapaTalk. VFT22 is run by a Sale supporter with a leased server. People’s lives change and if this person gets fed up or is too busy on other things presumably someone else will have to take over.
VFT22 is fine and more modern but it is only a message Board at the moment. I worry about where we are going to put 30 links of information such as the rec development etc without a facility outside the mb.
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The Quins and Wasps sites are using platforms the former is TapaTalk. VFT22 is run by a Sale supporter with a leased server. People’s lives change and if this person gets fed up or is too busy on other things presumably someone else will have to take over.
VFT22 is fine and more modern but it is only a message Board at the moment. I worry about where we are going to put 30 links of information such as the rec development etc without a facility outside the mb.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019:08:22:11:56:22 by CoochieCoo.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 14:02
Quote:Lost Soul
Just had a look at the other site and looks ok. Not certain I can see much in the way off real world advantages though waiting on my profile to be activated.
I did notice annoying adverts mind message board which is something I don’t see in SN. I only use the mobile version.
One question did come to mind.
The current forum is supported by sports networks, who supports the new one.
Is it some basement programmer’s pet project which will eventually fall into disrepair or is it supported by a professional organisation that will ensure it is future proof.
The board runs on phpbb which is an open source project which is constantly updated, the source code here is custom so it can't be updated without a big effort hence why when the "update" happened it was pretty much just cosmetic rather than something more substantial.
I've always had an interest in rugby and have various other website, updating phpbb is not an onerous task so you have my word that the site will be there for the long term!
Quote:CoochieCoo
VFT22 is fine and more modern but it is only a message Board at the moment. I worry about where we are going to put 30 links of information such as the rec development etc without a facility outside the mb.
There's a wordpress site that runs alongside it which will feature a prediction league plus each side will have a page where they can have guides on how they can get to the ground etc
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 15:24
Quote:23Shark
There's a wordpress site that runs alongside it which will feature a prediction league plus each side will have a page where they can have guides on how they can get to the ground etc
One 23Shark?
If you look at our site you will see we have 12 pages (plus 7 Archive pages) 17 Bath Club links and 5 links to message boards of Non SN clubs.
The material in the archives continues a tradition dating back to the 1990s
Can your platform offer the same?
PG
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 22/08/2019 16:49
Yeah absolutely I was talking about a base page for each club and from there you can have as many as you like. Wordpress is one of the most flexible site building tools around so plenty of options!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2019 14:03
Hi All,
We are halfway through our referendum and so far we have received 20 votes. From the stats there are 27 Bath supporters who haven't voted yet but have been active posters in the week since announcing the referendum and there are another 69 Bath logged in lurkers who have visited COML in the last week. If just over half of these voted we would get up to our target.
Please click on my name in this message and then 'send a private message''. Subject Poll then your vote if you are using the mobile version.
In the desk top version you can 'reply by PM’ in the navigation bar at the foot. This automatically copies my name, subject and the quoted post. Answer by typing in before or after the quote.
Yes = stay
No = leave SN
Don't care = not bothered
Thanks
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We are halfway through our referendum and so far we have received 20 votes. From the stats there are 27 Bath supporters who haven't voted yet but have been active posters in the week since announcing the referendum and there are another 69 Bath logged in lurkers who have visited COML in the last week. If just over half of these voted we would get up to our target.
Please click on my name in this message and then 'send a private message''. Subject Poll then your vote if you are using the mobile version.
In the desk top version you can 'reply by PM’ in the navigation bar at the foot. This automatically copies my name, subject and the quoted post. Answer by typing in before or after the quote.
Yes = stay
No = leave SN
Don't care = not bothered
Thanks
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019:08:26:15:01:26 by CoochieCoo.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2019 09:15
It would be good to retain your presence on here guys, from worcester supporter.
Jp
Jp
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2019 12:34
Quote:Faithful_City
It would be good to retain your presence on here guys, from worcester supporter.
Jp
Agree. This is one of the best club sites to visit.
The number is dwindling.
i wont mention which site has the most golden threads so i hope you guys stay.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shendy (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2019 13:56
I'm a frequent visitor and occasional contributor here, but as a Bristol-residing Saints fan I won't be voting!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2019 22:21
Quote:shendy
I'm a frequent visitor and occasional contributor here, but as a Bristol-residing Saints fan I won't be voting!
I think shendy you have been ‘ere as long as I have and are very welcome. I think I and my fellow mods know the names of most of the Bath Rugby supporters and that is why we decided not to have a poll as it could be hijacked by people with vested interests. All votes have to be from Bath supporters as it is their site and should not be determined by outside sources.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 11:21
Just interested, do you think any of the current polls have been hijacked?
The other two seem to have the number of votes reflecting the number of people that are active on the site, doesn't really suggest that the vote has been influenced. I can assure you I've not employed Cambridge Analytica to help my cause.
The other two seem to have the number of votes reflecting the number of people that are active on the site, doesn't really suggest that the vote has been influenced. I can assure you I've not employed Cambridge Analytica to help my cause.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 11:36
I think that our mods have just taken the sensible option of ensuring that it is pretty difficult to 'influence' the vote on the Bath board. I really don't think that any implication of 'hijacking' is implied. Its just that this system makes ensures it is minimised/eliminated. The fact that SN members from other boards can do so has been effectively ruled out.
I'm no expert on voting but I like the way that having voted I will not know the result until the the vote is over. The ability to see the current voting trend in the middle of the voting process can influence the vote in a "what does everyone else think?" kind of way.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
I'm no expert on voting but I like the way that having voted I will not know the result until the the vote is over. The ability to see the current voting trend in the middle of the voting process can influence the vote in a "what does everyone else think?" kind of way.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 11:39
Oh yeah I agree, I just dislike the statement about hijacking by people with vested interests as I wouldn't do that like I haven't to the other polls
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 12:28
Well all I can say is that I could vote on both Wuss and Tigers poll. We have the second largest activity on rugbynetwork and 197 Bath supporters who have posted on this site to date this year, some more than others. There are many more lurkers who do not post. As you will see from my reminder post we struggled to get 20 votes in the first week. We have had 9 more so far, so keep it coming. Wuss got 47 and tigers got 70 votes in their open to anyone poll.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 12:56
CC, if we don't meet 70 votes apart from costing Matt a tenner what's next?
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 13:04
If Tigers can get 70 votes in their poll surely we can do better! #COYB! The answer is we mods will have to discuss the poll as it is and make a recommendation. It’s your decision!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 13:12
In my view if their were no active decision with a quorum and majority to leave it would be status quo. Its not as though this board rose up and demanded a vote.
Sorry jumping the gun a bit.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Sorry jumping the gun a bit.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 13:16
That is an option of course but let’s get to the finishing line first!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 13:39
Agreed CC. If we get 69 votes and all say leave and the rest can't be bothered then there has to be a conversation about that, surely!
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 13:43
CC
Since we split, I have produced a link to VFT22, I very politely asked if they would provide a reciprocal link back to SN, this is their reply.
So they are not prepared to provide a link back to Comeonyouwarriors!
JP
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Since we split, I have produced a link to VFT22, I very politely asked if they would provide a reciprocal link back to SN, this is their reply.
Quote:Thank you for your PM, I have been in discussions with Lindsay and at this time it is not something we'd be willing to do.
So they are not prepared to provide a link back to Comeonyouwarriors!
JP
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 13:56
I'm not a Bath supporter so wouldnt even consider I'd vote...but assume the vested interests point is valid. It you were promoting an alternativd platform, for instance.
The general problem for me in such moves is splinter groups whereby certain posters just talk amongst themselves about the same subjects to the same agreeable like minded people.
What is the point of that...
I can think of one site that is the worst for that split...and another where they are that small minded anyway.
The best thing about forums, imv is thd disparate opnions and points of view. I'll say again, this forum is up there as the best, imv, or one of the best.
The general problem for me in such moves is splinter groups whereby certain posters just talk amongst themselves about the same subjects to the same agreeable like minded people.
What is the point of that...
I can think of one site that is the worst for that split...and another where they are that small minded anyway.
The best thing about forums, imv is thd disparate opnions and points of view. I'll say again, this forum is up there as the best, imv, or one of the best.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 14:23
Quote:John Tee
The best thing about forums, imv is thd disparate opnions and points of view. I'll say again, this forum is up there as the best, imv, or one of the best.
Thank you John. I agree we are a lively argumentative group on ‘ere!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 14:48
Quote:BathMatt53
Agreed CC. If we get 69 votes and all say leave and the rest can't be bothered then there has to be a conversation about that, surely!
Well not really Matt, the referendum set out rules, the voting didn't meet them so it falls. A 'nearly got to 70' doesn't count.
If that happened you would need a second vote, wasn't that your point about the timing of this matter? Anyway as you both said it's premature......I'll shut up now.
Edit: PS It would still cost you a tenner though!
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 14:55
Quote:Faithful_City
CC
Since we split, I have produced a link to VFT22, I very politely asked if they would provide a reciprocal link back to SN, this is their reply.
Quote:Thank you for your PM, I have been in discussions with Lindsay and at this time it is not something we'd be willing to do.
So they are not prepared to provide a link back to Comeonyouwarriors!
JP
I asked for a link back to us and I gather Alex hasn’t decided where to place them as yet.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 15:05
No, he and Lindsay our old admin who left with some of the other guys and is now a moderator have refused to allow a link back to Comeonyouwarriors even though we have had one for many weeks now.
JP
JP
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 15:09
Quote:shipwrecked
CC, if we don't meet 70 votes apart from costing Matt a tenner what's next?
Sorry to disappoint you SW!
In fact I will put my money where my mouth is and say that if we get 70 or more votes from unique active users by 8 AM on 2 September 2019 then I will donate £10 to Dorothy House and screenshot you the evidence.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 15:25
Oops, I skimmed and added a negative that wasn't there, sorry.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 15:27
JP
If you're going to quote my PM at least quote the whole message rather than the section to suit your agenda.
Bath's situation is different as if they opt to remain as I expect then I need to look into a way I can incorporate a menu into the site, once the poll is finished I will be looking into this but first my priority is getting the prediction league ready.
If you're going to quote my PM at least quote the whole message rather than the section to suit your agenda.
Quote:Good morning John,
Thank you for your PM, I have been in discussions with Lindsay and at this time it is not something we'd be willing to do. There was a vote on the Worcester forum and the result was overwhelmingly to move across to VFT22, by providing a link to the old forum we'd simply by splitting the traffic which the vote was designed to avoid.
In addition to this I don't appreciate the incorrect allegations you have been making across SN about myself and the site. This is totally unacceptable and needs to stop.
Kind Regards,
Alex
Bath's situation is different as if they opt to remain as I expect then I need to look into a way I can incorporate a menu into the site, once the poll is finished I will be looking into this but first my priority is getting the prediction league ready.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 15:35
Sorry he gets a bit tetchy
JP
JP
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 15:40
There was nothing tetchy about that PM or message?
I can't help but feel this is all because I ignored this message....
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I can't help but feel this is all because I ignored this message....
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019:08:28:15:42:22 by 23Shark.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 15:47
Are you sure that is an appropriate post to be putting up?
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 16:04
With respect, the Bath forum isn't really the ideal place for your tiff...
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 16:07
I agree Matt but I was only responding to JP's messages, I'm more than happy to discuss it on his forum
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 16:21
Back to the thread subject matter please respond to the vote by clicking my name which will direct you to send a PM to me of your vote preference.
Thanks
Thanks
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2019 07:55
I have voted and will respect whatever result. The admins do a great job and i will continue to follow and occasionally post on whichever forum we decide on.
adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
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adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019:08:30:07:56:35 by copester.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2019 08:08
Thank you and a reminder that there is 72 hours left to vote. I calculate that there are potentially 94 Bath COML members who have been active on ‘ere since the poll started and are still to vote.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Faithful_City (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2019 16:17
Sportnetwork now a fully secure service
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2019 16:23
Yes, noticed that earlier. Not that there is much to protect on here but it needed to be done.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2019 16:35
Wow! Just noticed! Thank you Jon 
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2019 21:51
Quote:Faithful_City
Sportnetwork now a fully secure service
The effect of a no deal SNexit?
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2019 22:46
Quote:shipwrecked
Yes, noticed that earlier. Not that there is much to protect on here but it needed to be done....
...a number of years ago. It’s amazing what a kick up the 4rse can do in terms of focus.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2019 18:26
Please note that all votes get a response from us. If you haven’t received a response we haven’t received your vote.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2019 07:41
Thank you to all those who have voted. There is another 24 hours for the 70 or so Bath COML members who have visited this Board in the last week to register a vote.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 08:20
Thank you for your votes. The result is
Stay 22
Leave 6
Don’t care 8
This represents about 16% of our active Bath members. As many members have not voted we, the mods, have concluded that there is no burning desire to change the status quo.
We will look at this again at the end of the season, if there is a swell of opinion that we need to move.
In the meantime we will continue to keep in touch with SN to make improvements.
Stay 22
Leave 6
Don’t care 8
This represents about 16% of our active Bath members. As many members have not voted we, the mods, have concluded that there is no burning desire to change the status quo.
We will look at this again at the end of the season, if there is a swell of opinion that we need to move.
In the meantime we will continue to keep in touch with SN to make improvements.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 08:38
Didn't vote, didn't really care but if I had to choose I'd have said stay. Especially after that recent childish post from 23Shark.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 09:01
Thanks for all your work on this CC.
Hopefully SN will respond with action to the specific issues raised by our members.
PG
Hopefully SN will respond with action to the specific issues raised by our members.
PG
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 10:07
Quote:CoochieCoo
Thank you for your votes. The result is
Stay 22
Leave 6
Don’t care 8
This represents about 16% of our active Bath members.
Stay: 22
Leave: 6
Don’t care: 8
Can't be bothered to type 1 or 2 words: 225
I can't help feeling that this represents modern life, which is a bit depressing.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Ade1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 12:10
I've only just noticed this poll, but happy to see that we have for the moment chosen to stay put. My concern if we left is that the large number of posters we have here may be diluted. Surely the ERE/COML family should come first over tech?
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 12:15
Ade
Good point.
A number who voted noted the people make the community not the platform.
PG
Good point.
A number who voted noted the people make the community not the platform.
PG
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 13:04
I voted to stay but unlike what is happening elsewhere would have fully supported the democratic decision but like on that occasion it is disappointing that so many didn’t bother to vote.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 14:12
Totally respect your decision, good luck for the coming season, anyone's welcome to post or visit VFT22! 
Am I ok to do a post about our prediction league once I've finished setting it up?
The winner will get two tickets to the Premiership final so worth having a go!
Am I ok to do a post about our prediction league once I've finished setting it up?
The winner will get two tickets to the Premiership final so worth having a go!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 14:50
Quote:Bath Hammer
I voted to stay but unlike what is happening elsewhere would have fully supported the democratic decision but like on that occasion it is disappointing that so many didn’t bother to vote.
Maybe they just don’t care enough either way, like me.
Also no one sees stickies. At least I don’t. My eyes just skim past them at this point. Having a thread constantly bump to the top is much more noticeable.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 17:37
Quote:Ade1865
I've only just noticed this poll, but happy to see that we have for the moment chosen to stay put. My concern if we left is that the large number of posters we have here may be diluted. Surely the ERE/COML family should come first over tech?
Hi Ade hope you are well. We decided not to have a conventional poll but a selective vote by PM because we wanted to ensure only active Bath supporters voted. You were certainly on the list. Sorry you missed this thread but it was being publicised via Twitter and FB as well.
Your concerns are shared by many of us and the alternatives are not exactly a massive improvement from what we have ‘ere.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 18:06
Quote:ballsoutQuote:Bath Hammer
I voted to stay but unlike what is happening elsewhere would have fully supported the democratic decision but like on that occasion it is disappointing that so many didn’t bother to vote.
Maybe they just don’t care enough either way, like me.
Also no one sees stickies. At least I don’t. My eyes just skim past them at this point. Having a thread constantly bump to the top is much more noticeable.
There was a “don’t care” option for people to vote for.
Do not understand the comment that no one sees stickies. They are at the top of the board so are the first few threads one sees. A Sticky will be marked New in red with every new post on that sticky unopened by the reader. Ordinary threads bump up to the last sticky and any new posts on a sticky will be bumped up to the top of the board. Granted if you are not interested in the subject of the sticky you have the option to ignore it.
We try to keep stickies to a max of three. At the moment we have the Adoption thread which is very active, PGT’s latest article to keep us alive and the squad sticky which would disappear if it wasn’t.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2019 22:24
Ballsout finding time to grump about something he basically agrees with? Must be time for a new season!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 00:34
Quote:CoochieCoo
Do not understand the comment that no one sees stickies. They are at the top of the board so are the first few threads one sees.
Except when you've trained your eyes to ignore stickies you've already read and focus on the new content being bumped up, like I have. I didn't even see this thread for days after it first opened because my eyes imediately go to the first regular thread.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 06:52
I always tend to neglect my eyes in pre-season training, I guess that’s why I always see the stickies? 3 sets of 10 hard stares followed by gazing into the distance for me tonight.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 07:33
I agree with BO actually, I used to assume the sticky was a "read it once then move on" post. Its only with the new red new superscript that alerts me to them.
As for Matt's gazing into the distance it not only maintains eyesight but counters depression so keep it up.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
As for Matt's gazing into the distance it not only maintains eyesight but counters depression so keep it up.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 08:10
There has always been a red “new” on both boards for a new post on a sticky or any thread that has a new posting.
What has changed is that on the desktop version clicking the red takes you down to the first unread post. Previously on the DT version of you clicked the last post date it took you to the end of the thread and all in read posts will be highlighted with “new”. That is now not the case but as you are taken to the first unread post it is logic that all the following posts have not been read! The
Mobile version has not changed.
I always tend to use the mobile version and as a mod i have to check every post to ensure it is within the rules of not libellous. I start opening the lowest thread with the red “new” to read the new post/s and work my way up. If the list show the stickies still have a red I then open the sticky.
I do find it strange that one can train one’s eyes to ignore blatant red “new” on them first three threads in the list!
What has changed is that on the desktop version clicking the red takes you down to the first unread post. Previously on the DT version of you clicked the last post date it took you to the end of the thread and all in read posts will be highlighted with “new”. That is now not the case but as you are taken to the first unread post it is logic that all the following posts have not been read! The
Mobile version has not changed.
I always tend to use the mobile version and as a mod i have to check every post to ensure it is within the rules of not libellous. I start opening the lowest thread with the red “new” to read the new post/s and work my way up. If the list show the stickies still have a red I then open the sticky.
I do find it strange that one can train one’s eyes to ignore blatant red “new” on them first three threads in the list!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 08:20
I think many will agree with you CC, you are not the first person to describe me as strange!
Don't you ever skip over content that you believe you've read. In my defence its now a bolder red isn't it?
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Don't you ever skip over content that you believe you've read. In my defence its now a bolder red isn't it?
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 08:28
Interesting shipwrecked. I had always assumed stickies to be the opposite.
For avoidance of doubt, to us Mods they are either:
* Items of current interest, worth revisiting while they remain current (e.g. Match Preview)
* Items of enduring value (e.g. Bath Squad and update)
* Important topics we want people to read (e.g. Referendum on our Future)
You voted, so obviously noticed the sticky!
Also I seem to recall Ballsout commented on most Match Previews last season, so his eyeball training may be a new, close-season, exercise regime.
PG
For avoidance of doubt, to us Mods they are either:
* Items of current interest, worth revisiting while they remain current (e.g. Match Preview)
* Items of enduring value (e.g. Bath Squad and update)
* Important topics we want people to read (e.g. Referendum on our Future)
You voted, so obviously noticed the sticky!
Also I seem to recall Ballsout commented on most Match Previews last season, so his eyeball training may be a new, close-season, exercise regime.
PG
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 08:42
Its not a criticism PG and I do read them obviously, its just they are not my first port of call. I do tend to scan, then re-read those items of interest.
I usually skip over anything about the front row, (current "new boys" article excepted) simply because I don't understand the dark arts!
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
I usually skip over anything about the front row, (current "new boys" article excepted) simply because I don't understand the dark arts!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 08:47
Quote:shipwrecked
I think many will agree with you CC, you are not the first person to describe me as strange!
Don't you ever skip over content that you believe you've read. In my defence its now a bolder red isn't it?
If there is a red “new” on a thread I open the thread however old! It’s a discipline I have to have as a mod but I also don’t like to see a board listing with unread threads. Once opened I read the unread posts with the red “new” I may skim if the content looks above board and not to my interest!
I wasn’t referring to you as strange BTW! It is anyone who has trained their eyes to ignore the top three stickies that may have a red “new”!
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 09:28
Quote:shipwrecked
Its not a criticism PG
Don't worry-I did not take it as one.
I did think a little clarification useful as a few missed the vote, maybe because they too don't pay much attention to stickies.
PG
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 09:35
I think a lot of people gloss over stickies, your eyes get trained to start looking at threads from the 4th one down. The new board design has made it easier to spot new threads but before that i would miss stickies 90% of the time and I think a lot of people do.
Making something sticky is good for threads that are long term and don't get updated much, but when you have a post that's constantly being updated, it would have been better to have it as part of the main threads, being bumped each time. More noticeable and you probably would have got more votes that way.
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Making something sticky is good for threads that are long term and don't get updated much, but when you have a post that's constantly being updated, it would have been better to have it as part of the main threads, being bumped each time. More noticeable and you probably would have got more votes that way.
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 10:32
It's fine the way it is. Thank you Mods you do a great job.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Ade1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 11:36
Hi CC, its my fault, I dont look at the stickies so missed the post and have recently cut myself off from twitter and FB for my own sanity. BBC news website is next on the list.
But I have no gripes or grumbles as its my fault for not looking hard enough. Would have gone with whatever was the preferred route in order to maintain the community.
Carry on team!
But I have no gripes or grumbles as its my fault for not looking hard enough. Would have gone with whatever was the preferred route in order to maintain the community.
Carry on team!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 13:57
Quote:Ade1865
Hi CC, its my fault, I dont look at the stickies
Careful, CC will call you "strange" for saying that
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 14:35
Yes I do find it strange! My curiosity if I see a marker that there is a new post is to look at it! I thought forums were designed for that purpose!
No problem Ade, but please open the new story stickies as every one who opens these earns money for us to donate to charity.
No problem Ade, but please open the new story stickies as every one who opens these earns money for us to donate to charity.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 14:43
Some of you have sent PMs with your vote after the closure of the poll announced yesterday 2 Sept at 8.00 am.
We have made the decision to retain the status quo so there is no need to continue voting. If the desire arises after this season ends to review the situation we will conduct another poll.
We have made the decision to retain the status quo so there is no need to continue voting. If the desire arises after this season ends to review the situation we will conduct another poll.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 15:25
Quote:CoochieCoo
Yes I do find it strange! My curiosity if I see a marker that there is a new post is to look at it!
We're (or at least I'm) saying we don't see the marker, because our eyes have been trained to start from lower down and the regular threads.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 15:48
Who ever said that you can't teach old eyes new tricks.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: JFPC (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 16:42
Quote:BathMatt53
Who ever said that you can't teach old eyes new tricks.
They are! They're saying they can't teach their eyes to see the red new post markers.
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Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 16:46
But at 9.35 he said he could see them;
Contradicting himself!
Quote:BO
The new board design has made it easier to spot new threads but before that i would miss stickies 90% of the time and I think a lot of people do.
Contradicting himself!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 17:03
Quote:JFPCQuote:BathMatt53
Who ever said that you can't teach old eyes new tricks.
They are! They're saying they can't teach their eyes to see the red new post markers.
Ah, I think that it is being said that they have taught their eyes to not see them! OK, I'm confused now.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 17:08
It appears BO has trained his eyes to ignore the first two red “new” and go straight to the fourth! That is quite a feat it has to be said!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 17:13
Quote:CoochieCoo
It appears BO has trained his eyes to ignore the first two red “new” and go straight to the fourth! That is quite a feat it has to be said!
Three people so far have said they skim past stickies, and others might be too polite to say. At least one didn't vote because they didn't see this thread. What does that tell you. A little less ridicule maybe, a little more understanding a potential flaw in your planning.
And in no way did I contradict myself, stop inventing things. I said the new design made things more clear, but I and it seems others, skim past stickies regardless, just perhaps to a lesser degree.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 17:23
Well my thread was started well after the SN changes which you acknowledge has made things more clear. So there is no excuse of missing a sticky with a new post on it as marked above. The fact that you choose to ignore stickies with new markers is not a flaw of the system but a flaw in your usage of message boards.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 18:58
Quote:CoochieCoo
Well my thread was started well after the SN changes which you acknowledge has made things more clear. So there is no excuse of missing a sticky with a new post on it as marked above. The fact that you choose to ignore stickies with new markers is not a flaw of the system but a flaw in your usage of message boards.
You should tell the others above who don't read stickies that they're flawed too.
I'll put it simply for you to understand, one last time. "More clear" does not mean I instantly notice every sticky every time I log onto the board. More clear means better, but not enough to stop me from missing them. The difference is that now I miss them 7 or 8 times out of 10, instead of 9 times out of 10.
I never said there was a flaw with the message board system. I said there was a flaw in the way you posted this poll. At least two or three people in the last couple of days have already said they've either missed, or nearly missed this entire thread because it was stickied. So already that's evidence right there.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Chris1850 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 19:18
Quote:ballsoutQuote:CoochieCoo
Well my thread was started well after the SN changes which you acknowledge has made things more clear. So there is no excuse of missing a sticky with a new post on it as marked above. The fact that you choose to ignore stickies with new markers is not a flaw of the system but a flaw in your usage of message boards.
You should tell the others above who don't read stickies that they're flawed too.
I'll put it simply for you to understand, one last time. "More clear" does not mean I instantly notice every sticky every time I log onto the board. More clear means better, but not enough to stop me from missingthem. The difference is that now I miss them 7 or 8 times out of 10, instead of 9 times out of 10.
I never said there was a flaw with the message board system. I said there was a flaw in the way you posted this poll. At least two or three people in the last couple of days have already said they've either missed, or nearly missed this entire thread because it was stickied. So already that's evidence right there.
Jesus. This is pathetic! Can you wipe your own ****?
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 19:46
Quote:Chris1850Quote:ballsoutQuote:CoochieCoo
Well my thread was started well after the SN changes which you acknowledge has made things more clear. So there is no excuse of missing a sticky with a new post on it as marked above. The fact that you choose to ignore stickies with new markers is not a flaw of the system but a flaw in your usage of message boards.
You should tell the others above who don't read stickies that they're flawed too.
I'll put it simply for you to understand, one last time. "More clear" does not mean I instantly notice every sticky every time I log onto the board. More clear means better, but not enough to stop me from missingthem. The difference is that now I miss them 7 or 8 times out of 10, instead of 9 times out of 10.
I never said there was a flaw with the message board system. I said there was a flaw in the way you posted this poll. At least two or three people in the last couple of days have already said they've either missed, or nearly missed this entire thread because it was stickied. So already that's evidence right there.
Jesus. This is pathetic! Can you wipe your own ****?
Yep poor old BO will have problems on your new V22 board as well, as your stickies do exactly what ours do!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 21:13
Quote:CoochieCooQuote:Chris1850Quote:ballsoutQuote:CoochieCoo
Well my thread was started well after the SN changes which you acknowledge has made things more clear. So there is no excuse of missing a sticky with a new post on it as marked above. The fact that you choose to ignore stickies with new markers is not a flaw of the system but a flaw in your usage of message boards.
You should tell the others above who don't read stickies that they're flawed too.
I'll put it simply for you to understand, one last time. "More clear" does not mean I instantly notice every sticky every time I log onto the board. More clear means better, but not enough to stop me from missingthem. The difference is that now I miss them 7 or 8 times out of 10, instead of 9 times out of 10.
I never said there was a flaw with the message board system. I said there was a flaw in the way you posted this poll. At least two or three people in the last couple of days have already said they've either missed, or nearly missed this entire thread because it was stickied. So already that's evidence right there.
Jesus. This is pathetic! Can you wipe your own ****?
Yep poor old BO will have problems on your new V22 board as well, as your stickies do exactly what ours do!
You are beyond hope. Missing the point yet again.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 21:29
Pot, kettle!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Chris1850 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 21:44
Quote:CoochieCooQuote:Chris1850Quote:ballsoutQuote:CoochieCoo
Well my thread was started well after the SN changes which you acknowledge has made things more clear. So there is no excuse of missing a sticky with a new post on it as marked above. The fact that you choose to ignore stickies with new markers is not a flaw of the system but a flaw in your usage of message boards.
You should tell the others above who don't read stickies that they're flawed too.
I'll put it simply for you to understand, one last time. "More clear" does not mean I instantly notice every sticky every time I log onto the board. More clear means better, but not enough to stop me from missingthem. The difference is that now I miss them 7 or 8 times out of 10, instead of 9 times out of 10.
I never said there was a flaw with the message board system. I said there was a flaw in the way you posted this poll. At least two or three people in the last couple of days have already said they've either missed, or nearly missed this entire thread because it was stickied. So already that's evidence right there.
Jesus. This is pathetic! Can you wipe your own ****?
Yep poor old BO will have problems on your new V22 board as well, as your stickies do exactly what ours do!
In hindsight, whilst we would have been delighted to welcome you to VFT22, perhaps we should be grateful for small mercies!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: JFPC (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2019 23:27
Quote:ballsoutQuote:CoochieCooQuote:Chris1850Quote:ballsoutQuote:CoochieCoo
Well my thread was started well after the SN changes which you acknowledge has made things more clear. So there is no excuse of missing a sticky with a new post on it as marked above. The fact that you choose to ignore stickies with new markers is not a flaw of the system but a flaw in your usage of message boards.
You should tell the others above who don't read stickies that they're flawed too.
I'll put it simply for you to understand, one last time. "More clear" does not mean I instantly notice every sticky every time I log onto the board. More clear means better, but not enough to stop me from missingthem. The difference is that now I miss them 7 or 8 times out of 10, instead of 9 times out of 10.
I never said there was a flaw with the message board system. I said there was a flaw in the way you posted this poll. At least two or three people in the last couple of days have already said they've either missed, or nearly missed this entire thread because it was stickied. So already that's evidence right there.
Jesus. This is pathetic! Can you wipe your own ****?
Yep poor old BO will have problems on your new V22 board as well, as your stickies do exactly what ours do!
You are beyond hope. Missing the point yet again.
The fairly simple point is try looking for the word 'new' helpfully highlighted in red as you scroll down. It is that simple.
If you can "train" your eyes to ignore the first three threads as they are normally 'stickies', I'm sure you can train them to spot the only word highlighted in red.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/09/2019 22:43
I just went to the SN Worcester site. Watching Faithful city posting to himself reminds me of Tom Hanks and Wilson. Very glad that we wouldn’t have moved unless everyone moved (like Sale).
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 08/09/2019 00:31
Just had a look
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 08/09/2019 15:14
Pretty much everyone has moved because the majority wanted to move however it feels very much like trying to prove a point for the sake of it now. You definitely did it right!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019:09:08:15:24:50 by 23Shark.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019:09:08:15:24:50 by 23Shark.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 08/09/2019 22:41
Quote:BathMatt53
I just went to the SN Worcester site. Watching Faithful city posting to himself reminds me of Tom Hanks and Wilson. Very glad that we wouldn’t have moved unless everyone moved (like Sale).
Not everyone will move to VFT22 Quins, Shedweb and Wasps are on separate sites and seem to be well settled. The Glos site on SN has been like Wuss since they started Shedweb. Quite remarkable how it has survived since 2003!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: Chris1850 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 01:31
Quote:CoochieCooQuote:BathMatt53
I just went to the SN Worcester site. Watching Faithful city posting to himself reminds me of Tom Hanks and Wilson. Very glad that we wouldn’t have moved unless everyone moved (like Sale).
Not everyone will move to VFT22 Quins, Shedweb and Wasps are on separate sites and seem to be well settled. The Glos site on SN has been like Wuss since they started Shedweb. Quite remarkable how it has survived since 2003!
Its a mystery how the Glos site on SN never disappeared even though nobody ever posted on it. Wasps in particular, on the other hand, regularly disappeared in spite of being very active, presumably because they failed to post front page articles regularly enough. Bizarre!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: TeflonTed (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 16:53
The Glaws SN site has 3 new threads in the last month. One of which was mine informing them of Wuss vote re. VFT22.
Of the prior 12 threads started since the end of last season, 10 were posted by ‘shedloads” and 1 by Faithful City. The total number of responses to these threads is 1. It’s a ‘one-man’ effort, not a forum.
CoochieCoo is dead right in saying it’s remarkable how it’s survived, but there’s a question about how you judge “survived”....it's either in a coma or a persistent vegetative condition.
Moral of the story.....split forums don’t work. I’m glad you guys have taken a clear decision regarding your position.
Of the prior 12 threads started since the end of last season, 10 were posted by ‘shedloads” and 1 by Faithful City. The total number of responses to these threads is 1. It’s a ‘one-man’ effort, not a forum.
CoochieCoo is dead right in saying it’s remarkable how it’s survived, but there’s a question about how you judge “survived”....it's either in a coma or a persistent vegetative condition.
Moral of the story.....split forums don’t work. I’m glad you guys have taken a clear decision regarding your position.
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2019 10:06
Just a quick note to say that all the team at VFT22 respects the vote you've had so I've updated the Bath link to redirect to here in the same way the Gloucester, Wasps and Quins ones do.
It's just on the home page.
Good luck for the new season!
It's just on the home page.
Good luck for the new season!
Re: COML Referendum on our Future
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2019 19:07
Thank you.
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