BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH


Hatley: work
By P G Tips
December 17 2019

The black stuff will be flowing when Bath visit London Irish on resumption of the premiership this weekend. The pre poured Guinness will stand three rows deep on the bar ready for half time and the final whistle. Win, lose or draw the craic is always lively at Irish whose fans will be confident their early season form predicts a successful Premiership season. Bath, in contrast look out of sorts after five straight defeats. They will be desperate for their form, and luck, to turn.

London Irish have been in decline for ten years, falling to the Premiership basement, or exile in the Championship. This year though, they return to the top flight determined not only to stay, but also make a mark. They have recruited not only hard-nosed veterans but big names, such as O’Brien, Ioane, Naholo, Phipps and Jackson.  So far this season they have beaten Wasps and Leicester, pushed (an admittedly depleted) Saracens and drawn with second placed Bristol. Seeing Bath’s injury list and the way their defence was torn apart by Clermont last Sunday, they will surely be confident of victory?

 

Danger men in green could be, the two South Africans Botha and Van Der Merwe, Fainga’a plus the evergreen Kiwi Blair Cowan up front. Behind the scrum they have fielded two playmakers at 10 & 15 –Myler taking the fly half slot and Jackson operating from full back. Naholo is a brute of a wing and, if fit, Phipps will offer an experienced head and sniping threat at scrum half.

 

Shipping 6 tries before half time in Clermont, and 8 in all is hardly ideal preparation for Bath. Even their lineout, a strength to date this season and source of 3 of their tries let them down- it was a profitable source of possession for Les Jaunes in the first half. There will be much for Luke Charteris to work on, so too for Neal Hatley who must not only prepare a potent pack but also patch a leaky defence. Above all though, it is attack, especially through the backs, which has disappointed most in this premiership campaign. Predictable moves and side-to-side passing simply invite defences to halt Bath’s momentum on or behind the gainline. Fans are desperate to see the fruits of Girvan Dempsey’s input.

 

 Licking their Clermont wounds, Bath will be hoping for good news on the injury front. Hopefully Francois Louw will be fit and we should see the return of Obano, Stuart, Joseph and Rokodoguni. Whoever takes the field, Bath must find not only determination, but inspiration and penetration, or it will be the men in green, not Blue, Black and White enjoying the black stuff in celebration after the final whistle.

 

“Boys from the Black Stuff” also refers to a TV drama of the eighties about a gang of tarmac layers. Fans of the show will remember “Yosser” Hughes, desperate for work, pleading with the foreman: “Giz a job! I can do that! Go on, giz a job! Gizzit! Gizzit!” Bath fans have reached a similar point of desperation. “Go on” they will be feeling this Sunday “Gizzit! Gizza win! Go on, gizzit!”

 

Possible Teams:

Bath:
Obano, Dunn, Stuart, McNally, Stooke , Ellis (Capt.), Underhill, Williams. Chudley, Priestland. Brew, Roberts, Joseph, Rokodoguni. Burns

Replacements: Boyce, Walker, Judge, Douglas, Bayliss. Cook, Wright, Hamer-Webb.

London Irish: Hobbs-Awoyemi, Fainga'a, Hoskins, Botha, Van der Merwe (capt), Rogerson, Cowan, Tuisue. Phipps, Myler. Rona, Hepetema, Stephenson, Naholo.Jackson

Replacements: Matu'u, Elrington, Chawatama, Coleman, Mafi, Ioane, Phipps, Parton.

 

 

BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/12/2019 19:25

‘Must win’ is a bit overused but I really think that these next couple are as close as it gets. Morale amongst the Bath fans I know (and on here) is the lowest it has been for a long while IMO. The club (Staff, players and fans) Desperately need a boost.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 17/12/2019 21:04

Agree Matt, after only 4 wins from 13 games (all competitions) we are certainly at a point when everyone could do with a boost, have we had a worse start to a season ? (Sm128)

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 07:40

This is a game that Bath would be expected to win in most seasons and it will have been one of the upcoming matches highlighted by the coaches as crucial to an understanding of where we are as a club. We need to get moving, especially in the backs, as I cannot believe clubs like Wasps and Tigers will remain languishing at the bottom of the table.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 08:07

Interesting to read the Somerset live article about re-setting the season by Bath, I wonder if that applies to selection at 10?
Stooke, McNally and Williams if selected provide some serious ball carrying. One of the criticisms I heard in commentary at the weekend was that our carries were too predictable with no options so the tackle choice was obvious. A simple fix you would have thought.
I've no idea what we will do in the backs. I guess its the same as the backs themselves.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 09:36

Due to a lack of information from the club I really have no idea who is injured or available, so can't even start to guess on who would be in the 15. Is Willison still injured? Are AW and TF anywhere close? I assume that JJ will be back and was just rested? What about Batty?

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 10:23

Thought AW was listed as returning in the NY?

Guess TF will play the week before the 6N starts.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 12:36

What would we be focussing on in training if we were in charge?

Some criticise the basics, some the backs alignment, some want offloads back on the menu, some think there is a lack of team spirit and dog.

That's a lot to fix in one week.

I suggest the forwards concentrate on the basics and the backs should be working on how to make best use of any space with FB involved on how he wants the ball and where everyone lines up outside.

If there has been plain speaking then the players should be involved in driving the changes.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 13:38

Quote:
B4thB4ck
What would we be focussing on in training if we were in charge?

Good question that.

the basics - I thought we had improved our basic ball retention - ie not dropping simple passes, and not losing it on the floor, but this reappeared with a vengeance in the first half against Clermont. If we can't get these basics right, then everything else is irrelevant. If i were the head coach, i'd be inclined to say to the players - 'you are professional rugby players. I'm not going to insult you by practising catching. Don't insult us by dropping it.'

the backs alignment - I think the outside backs need to genuinely believe they are going to get the ball in order to run really good lines. Why would you bust your lungs to realign, cut angles, 'mean it', when you know full well it's: RP>JR>bosh>go to floor ???

offloads - all about confidence and freedom to make what Sam Vesty calls 'good mistakes'. I don't believe our players have the confidence or are granted that freedom. As an encapsulation of this attitude - Burns 'try' against Toulouse. Rather than watching the brilliant angle he ran, and his role in creating and (all but) finishing that try, they have decided never to trust him again because of a freak moment.

team spirit and dog - i don't see any lack of this. A lack of confidence maybe, but no lack of effort.


I'd add:
- varying the kicking game. Using it as an attacking weapon
- working on putting Roko in 1-1 situations in their 22, not just hoping he'll create Under-12 tries from 60 metres out
- using JJ as a second receiver, and using Roberts more as a 'back row' type of attacker wider out
- rather than letting the second last man - usually JJ - die with the ball (meaning our wingers simply end up as breakdown support), give the wings a go on the outside and/or encourage them to switch back on the scissors

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: sid the seagull (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 13:47

I like the idea of having a dog on the field.
We need this degree of creative thinking.

HOP

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 13:53

Oh dear.....Sid, its not a real dog!

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 14:01

Quote:
shipwrecked
Oh dear.....Sid, its not a real dog!

Shame, I'd have lent my dog to cause. Whippet/collie cross. Greased lightening speed with 24/7 battery of the collie. Had to have lengthy rehab after leg fracture so fits the club culture but now fully fit, raring to go and only needs a blue top to complement the black n white

But you're right Opti - adopt the famous mantra of the Art of World Class Basics

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 15:09

Come on Sid, we can't have a Catt and a Dog in the same team.

(now expects someone to post an animals XV....)

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 15:14

Quote:
B4thB4ck
Come on Sid, we can't have a Catt and a Dog in the same team.
(now expects someone to post an animals XV....)

Japan have already done that at the RWC!

Oddly they don't have an animal at 10, its the only human.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 15:54

DoR - Sir David Attenborough.

I guess ours would a (W)Hooper swan - quiet on the surface but hopefully a lot of paddling going on that we don't see...

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 15:59

Quote:
B4thB4ck
What would we be focussing on in training if we were in charge?
Some criticise the basics, some the backs alignment, some want offloads back on the menu, some think there is a lack of team spirit and dog.

That's a lot to fix in one week.

I suggest the forwards concentrate on the basics and the backs should be working on how to make best use of any space with FB involved on how he wants the ball and where everyone lines up outside.

If there has been plain speaking then the players should be involved in driving the changes.

Far too much wrong for a few stiff words to fix in a week.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 16:06

But what would WE do in training this week, if coaching the team, to win the next game.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 16:09

Forwards: more of the same, with a bit of extra handling work. Not too much to sort.

Backs: make them watch some videos of Bath games and then get them out on the field doing running / passing drills and learning a few set moves off first and second phase - like the ones that Exe found successful against us.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 16:51

Quote:
B4thB4ck
But what would WE do in training this week, if coaching the team, to win the next game.

Given that there's no chance of building an effective attack in a week, I'd concentrate on defensive systems to stop LI scoring tries and also work on limiting penalties in danger areas.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 16:58

Why not Burns and Priestland at 10/12 for starters, having Burns taking the ball closer to the line would pull Priestland forward and may release JJ. Can't be any worse than having Roberts crashing into contact all the time.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 17:16

Quote:
warrenball
Why not Burns and Priestland at 10/12 for starters

We are very short of centre options, but I think that would be a disaster. Play one of them at 15 if need be. Would honestly rather see Tom deGlanville given a go at 12.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 17:37

Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
B4thB4ck
But what would WE do in training this week, if coaching the team, to win the next game.

Given that there's no chance of building an effective attack in a week, I'd concentrate on defensive systems to stop LI scoring tries and also work on limiting penalties in danger areas.

It does sound like a tall order but if you must have watched games where a replacement 10 comes on who commits defenders and passes late. That can change the threat significantly with the same players outside him. You have to start somewhere and that should not be rocket science for an attack coach.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 17:52

Quote:
B4thB4ck
Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
B4thB4ck
But what would WE do in training this week, if coaching the team, to win the next game.

Given that there's no chance of building an effective attack in a week, I'd concentrate on defensive systems to stop LI scoring tries and also work on limiting penalties in danger areas.

It does sound like a tall order but if you must have watched games where a replacement 10 comes on who commits defenders and passes late. That can change the threat significantly with the same players outside him. You have to start somewhere and that should not be rocket science for an attack coach.

I agree, but our "attack" coach hasn't shown any signs of being able to get our backs scoring tries. It's good fun for us to speculate on what we'd do, but I really can't see our coaching team changing anything as they seem to think we're not far off.

The real concern for me is our injury list has negated the advantage we would have had over LI and now it's just a simple contest between DOR's for superiority on the day and that doesn't bode well for Bath.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 18:33

Opti

Very good did you apply for DOR job?

I would have Burns practice his chipping so he or someone on our team could catch the ball.

Also offloads, again and again and again.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 18:36

I would be happy with De Glanville at 12, but not with Priestland at 10, we have to have a fly half who keeps the opposition on their toes, with Priestland taking the ball so deep it makes it very easy for the opposition. Hooper has got to take a chance and give the backs a go, putting them on a leash has not worked very well so far

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 18:50

Hooper’s plan A only involves the forwards, I guess RP and his kicking is best suited to this strategy.

There is no plan B so FB will likely sit on the bench until the game is lost.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 19:42

Not if RP plays like he did the 1st half against CA at home.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 20:28

Sir for Irish - Karl Dickson, didn’t do us many favours v Saracens ! IMO. (Sm128)

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 18/12/2019 21:43

Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Sir for Irish - Karl Dickson, didn’t do us many favours v Saracens ! IMO. (Sm128)

If memory serves, we didn't deserve any. He's a good ref.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 09:08

Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesn’t reference Bath, strangely.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 09:11

Quote:
Optimist
Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesn’t reference Bath, strangely.
[twitter.com]

Yes, looks so simple. Not entirely true that Bath aren't referenced - it shows how our defence were torn a new one by Clermont.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 09:42

Quote:
Optimist
Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesn’t reference Bath, strangely.
[twitter.com]

Nice spot Opti, reminded me that in order to do the overlap it has to be taken to the line. This is probably why we don't see it too often at Bath as Rhys Priestland plays so deep at 10.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: redmix (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 10:06

Quote:
Optimist
Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesn’t reference Bath, strangely.
[twitter.com]

Nice spot.

Bath don't feature because they don't play rugby in the way the author wanted to illustrate. We seem to play all our rugby behind the gain line allowing defences to move up and drift across cutting off all the options for the wide players. When we do take the ball to the line and use it, rather than smash into the line, we create space. What we then lack is support players running the right lines.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 10:57

Quote:
redmix
Quote:
Optimist
Really nice bit of attack analysis here. Doesn’t reference Bath, strangely.
[twitter.com]

Nice spot.

Bath don't feature because they don't play rugby in the way the author wanted to illustrate. We seem to play all our rugby behind the gain line allowing defences to move up and drift across cutting off all the options for the wide players. When we do take the ball to the line and use it, rather than smash into the line, we create space. What we then lack is support players running the right lines.

Agreed it is almost like we are so busy defending that we forget about attack. We need to get from the trying not to lose mindset to the trying to win mindset. Yes I know that isn’t like flicking a switch because so many factors play in what happens on the pitch. The confidence to run the attacking lines they undoubtedly practice in training just isn’t there at the moment. Maybe the patient play In the right areas of the pitch pragmatic style needs a tweak.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: Awp (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 11:43

I think Cook was one of the few that played well over in France so would like to see him start again (so probably won’t). I think you have to start with Rhys, Fred just doesn’t fill me with any confidence at all.
Just hope some of the injuries have cleared up and we get a bit of a boost because this is a must win!

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 11:46

Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Sir for Irish - Karl Dickson, didn’t do us many favours v Saracens ! IMO. (Sm128)

If memory serves, we didn't deserve any. He's a good ref.

Joe
You are right - we did not deserve favours. However, a couple of weeks earlier, Tony Spreadbury had told the BRSC meeting that there would be a clampdown on offside in the Premiership this season.

I saw no evidence of that being applied in the Saracens match and they undoubtedly gained from his laxity.


PG

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 11:48

Quote:
TG Kesmo
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Maybe the patient play In the right areas of the pitch pragmatic style needs a tweak.

Perhaps that is exactly where the "confidence to run the attacking lines" should be developed? Instead of the now rather predictable pick & drives which take 15 phases to produce a score- and exhaustion!

PG

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: SirBurger (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 13:39

Good article. From an Irish perspective, Naholo went back to NZ for the birth of his first child so won't be available. Meehan is likely to start ahead of Phipps at 9 and it will be interesting to see if either Coleman or Mafi come into the pack. Ioane is suspended so no place on the bench for him.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 13:59

Quote:
P G Tips
Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Sir for Irish - Karl Dickson, didn’t do us many favours v Saracens ! IMO. (Sm128)

If memory serves, we didn't deserve any. He's a good ref.

Joe
You are right - we did not deserve favours. However, a couple of weeks earlier, Tony Spreadbury had told the BRSC meeting that there would be a clampdown on offside in the Premiership this season.

I saw no evidence of that being applied in the Saracens match and they undoubtedly gained from his laxity.

PG

Have there been any matches where offside has been clamped down on? Even if Sarries had been penalised in our match I'm not convinced we would have won anyway.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 14:21

No we wouldn't OB- but after an announced clampdown Dickson's casual management of offside was more notable than most. In a competition where it has been the norm for years, that stands out.

PG

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2019 14:31

Quote:
P G Tips
No we wouldn't OB- but after an announced clampdown Dickson's casual management of offside was more notable than most. In a competition where it has been the norm for years, that stands out.
PG

I've watched a few non Bath PL games this season and don't recall any ref clamping down on offside. Could argue that the touch judge should really be spotting offside and alerting the ref, but the standard of touch judge seems to be very poor this season.

I do recall watching a champions cup game where the ref penalised both sides early on for offside and that was good to see.

Don't see Dickson as one of the worst ref's, although in the Sarries game I do recall thinking he really didn't like how our pack scrummaged. That doesn't bode too well for Sunday as it must be difficult for ref's to forget when they've penalised sides in previous games.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 11:58

BATH RUGBY TEAM TO FACE LONDON IRISH:

15. Tom Homer
14. Semesa Rokoduguni
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. Jamie Roberts
11. Anthony Watson

10. Rhys Priestland (C)
9. Will Chudley

1. Beno Obano
2. Tom Dunn
3. Will Stuart
4. Josh McNally
5. Elliott Stooke
6. Tom Ellis
7. Sam Underhill
8. Josh Bayliss

Replacements

16. Jack Walker
17. Lewis Boyce
18. Christian Judge
19. Matt Garvey
20. Rhys Davies
21. Chris Cook
22. Freddie Burns
23. Aled Brew

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:00

London Irish Team:

15. Paddy Jackson
14. Curtis Rona
13. Tom Stephenson
12. Terrence Hepetema
11. Ollie Hassell-Collins

10. Stephen Myler
9. Ben Meehan

1. Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi
2. Saia Fainga’a
3. Olle Hoskins
4. Ruan Botha
5. Adam Coleman
6. Steve Mafi
7. Blair Cowan
8. Albert Tuisue

Replacements: 16. Motu Matu’u, 17. Allan Dell, 18, Lovejoy Chawatama, 19. Franco van der Merwe, 20. Matt Rogerson, 21. Nick Phipps, 22. Tom Fowlie, 23. James Stokes

Phipps on the bench and no Waisake Naholo is handy.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:14

Thanks Matt

Good to see Watson back earlier than feared.
Wonder when we will see Ewels and Louw?


PG

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:19

I’m not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:26

Quote:
P G Tips
Thanks Matt
Good to see Watson back earlier than feared.
Wonder when we will see Ewels and Louw?


PG

Agreed it's good to see AW back, but surprised to see him on the wing as he won't get the ball to have any impact on the game. At least at FB he'd get the ball occasionally.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: SirBurger (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:27

Quote:
Bath Hammer
I’m not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

Irish fan here - the pack is basically full strength. Strong set of second rows and Tuisue is developing into a good ball carrier at 8 (although a little raw).

In the backs we are light in the back three, missing our two best wingers (Loader and Naholo) and so are going with a youngster and Rona (who has looked better at 13). We had hopes of either Parton or Veitokani breaking through at 15, but both have looked a bit frail so Jackson is playing there for the time being.

However, given injuries and lack of availability, it is a strong side and fans are fairly confident of a good performance.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Blue Brum (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:36

if the so-called 'reset' button has been hit then this Bath team needs to go out and shows its true worth. the ability is evident and you would hope the experience the squad has can brings us the much needed win.

I cant say I'm hopeful as Bath have made me doubt the little belief I had left. we appear to be a collection of players rather than a coherent team with a coherent plan.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:36

So with LI at full strength in the pack what is Hooper going to do without a dominant Bath pack to work with? Perhaps he might like to consider plan B for a change.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:38

With L.I. being really strong at home and Bath being awful away they have to start favourites, but hopefully the lads will come through after a week of soul searching.

COYB!

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: ExiledChameleon (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:39

Quote:
Bath Hammer
I’m not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

Our pack is very strong, with 1 & 7 the only two positions I'd say that you have the upper hand in (although Cowan has been amazing this year). Botha and Coleman are both very strong and very mobile players, while Tuisue is a ridiculously strong wrecking ball and DHA/Hoskins are very fit props.

Our backs are substantially more fragile with Loader and Naholo (two of the best wingers in the Prem) unavailable, causing us to shuffle everything about. You're pretty clearly substantially better in the back four (11, 13-15), and both times the ball gets past the Priestland-Roberts black hole I'd expect you to find a bit of space.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: bardofavon (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:43

hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:44

Very strong Bath team, much stronger than I expected. No excuses...

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:49

Is Mike Williams injured? I would have expected to see him on the bench over Garvey.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:49

If the re-set button has been pressed with Roberts and Stooke to the fore I can foresee a narrow win for Bath with those two scoring ! (Sm128)

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: MikeL (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 12:59

Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR.

Very subtle, great work. Would've been far too obvious to point out Bath's abject failure to develop their own talent and reliance on plundering other clubs (primarily Irish), lovely ironic twist you've given it.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: FourSticks (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 13:00

Quote:
BardofAvon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15

Traditionally, they're an Exiles team and should really comprise mostly Irish players. Still, it's been a long time since Londons Welsh, Irish, Scottish, French, etc were true Exiles teams.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 13:02

Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

Well there is at least one Irishman ! (Sm128)

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: ExiledChameleon (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 13:12

Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

4, 5, 11, 13, 15. That's a 1/3rd of the team who are EQP LI developed players.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Florida (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 13:18

Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

It is a disgrace having just 7 EQP in the starting 15, we'd probably have a few more but injuries are a pain. On the plus side we do have half a dozen lads from our academy playing, sadly most of them are on your teamsheet.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: SirBurger (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 13:27

Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

Really poorly thought through post.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 13:30

Quote:
ExiledChameleon
Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

4, 5, 11, 13, 15. That's a 1/3rd of the team who are EQP LI developed players.

Elliott Stooke is a bit of a squeeze isn't it? He played for Irish on loan about 5 times!

Still, I suspect that the initial post was a tongue in cheek fishing trip, which appears to have worked.

Good luck for Sunday - hoping for an entertaining game.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Florida (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 13:49

Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
ExiledChameleon
Quote:
bardofavon
hardly an english player in the exiles run on 15. pretty disgraceful really. this is what happens when you have a non english DOR. it's true that blackadder stuck with mostly english players, though i suspect that was more because craig wouldnt let him buy any southern hemp ones.

4, 5, 11, 13, 15. That's a 1/3rd of the team who are EQP LI developed players.

Elliott Stooke is a bit of a squeeze isn't it? He played for Irish on loan about 5 times!

Still, I suspect that the initial post was a tongue in cheek fishing trip, which appears to have worked.

Good luck for Sunday - hoping for an entertaining game.

When winding up my Bath supporting friend I always include Stooke, but its very tongue in cheek. I wouldn't really include McNally as a LI developed player either as he only really played a season for us given his terrible medical problem.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 14:15

We should have the edge on the front 5 but they do have a very experienced back row. They probably have edge from the bench so if we play well it should be a very good, close game

But what is this name all about for a front row: Lovejoy Chawatama

If he's got the ball what do you call for a pass outside?

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2019 16:27

Luvvie?

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 21/12/2019 00:01

Quote:
ExiledChameleon
Quote:
Bath Hammer
I’m not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

Our pack is very strong, with 1 & 7 the only two positions I'd say that you have the upper hand in
.

Clearly Exiled Chameleon thinks differently.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: LI Bohemian (IP Logged)
Date: 21/12/2019 00:12

Your expecting a pass off of a prop?

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/12/2019 12:23

Quote:
Optimist
Luvvie?

Like that one Opti but how does the ref use that if he wants to have a word with him about something. As in ..

You must push straighter, Luvvie? or You've slipped your binding Luvvie?

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Exile_Dave (IP Logged)
Date: 21/12/2019 16:45

Quote:
gaz59
We should have the edge on the front 5 but they do have a very experienced back row. They probably have edge from the bench so if we play well it should be a very good, close game
But what is this name all about for a front row: Lovejoy Chawatama

If he's got the ball what do you call for a pass outside?

LJ

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 07:52

Should be close but certainly a game Hooper must have marked down as winnable, let's hope we click and start scoring a few tries.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 08:23

This is a big game not season defining but big. Watson back a lot earlier than reported I sincerely hope this is not a rush job, we as a club have history of rushing players back because we are desperate only for the player to then pick up a season ending set back.

Personally I think today is about our state of mind and the whether the team truly believe and have confidence in the game plan and direction Hoops wishes the team to go in.

I reckon Bruce will leave it 2 games at most and if we lose both I fear Hoops at least will be gone especially with Tigers showing real signs of improvement in terms of attitude, defence, belief and most importantly attack in that fist half they looked as threatening as any team this season,.

We have the team out today to-do a job and although nervous I am looking forward to the journey to Irish, I just hope I am still smiling on the way back.

Come on Bath.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 08:27

Sale looked very strong yesterday and Glos aren’t easy at home so it we lose this one the Xmas / NY period is going to be painful I think, especially as Wasps and Tigers are showing some (admittedly short) periods of decent rugby.

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 08:41

Lose today and BC has to call a taxi for Hooper and probably Dempsey as well.

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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 09:12

I'll be there with a few mates and hope for a decent Xmas crowd to create some atmosphere. Does anyone know how many tickets have been sold? I am also hoping for a better match than the penalties only game which we won [9-6?] 2yr ago. One would think we have the pedigree to beat the newly promoted team but Irish have a v good coaching group, have made some astute signings and are going well so far. Forecast is for a dry day so good for running rather than kicking the ball, I am hopeful...

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 09:37

If this is to be believed then they have lowest attendance in the league and by match is is horrific.

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About 3000 against Quins, 3500 against Sale, 5000 vs Tigers.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: ExiledChameleon (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 11:08

Quote:
BathMatt53
If this is to be believed then they have lowest attendance in the league and by match is is horrific.
[rd.premiershiprugby.com]

About 3000 against Quins, 3500 against Sale, 5000 vs Tigers.

Today should be higher than that. It’a hard to get people to separate with hundreds for what was likely to be a season getting slapped about before being relegated, especially given that we’re moving to somewhere else next year, which cut crowds in half more or less overnight.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:06

Try Obano

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:06

Good start ! Obano 0 -7

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:08

Watson !!!

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:09

Watson try

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:17

Silly penalty from Sam, 3-12

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:23

Roko !!!

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:29

Penalty try ! 3 - 24. Bonus !

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:30

Bonus point within 27 minutes! Great stuff.

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:32

Chudley ! 3-31 !

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:33

Like the barbarians! Give Dempsey a rise!

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:33

This is a very different Bath to recent matches

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:40

Radio Bristol commentators suggesting that the pitch is firmer, giving the Bath backs a decent surface to play on?

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:45

Will Stewart is a brilliant signing

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 15:58

Good to have Wayne Barnes insight for a refs view.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:03

Does look as though Hatley's work is becoming apparent. When JJ and Watson play together the seem to come alive, got to love the way JJ frees his hands.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Montyuk (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:03

Both wingers scoring. I don't recognise this Bath at all... but I like them!

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:12

Bath hold Irish try up and secure turnover!

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: ken_jnr (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:16

Not sure where that first half performance has been all year, but I very much enjoyed it!

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:17

Homer !!!

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:18

Assist from Myler!!!

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:27

Bath make changes and Irish score 10-38

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:27

Even though Bath are 30 points ahead RPs first instinct is to kick away possession but im not sure why?

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:34

Yellow for Judge for lifting over the horizontal , joint tackle with Boyce - bit harsh ?

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:48

Tom Homer MoM!!

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:48

GP Man of the Match. Tom Homer (Sm128)

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: recman (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:56

It has to be said that we have really, really laboured to get the ball over the line today, when we were in range. That worries me a little.

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 16:57

Didn't watch it, but the players must have put in a good shift so well done to them.. (Sm152)

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:00

Second half was not a great watch but with such a lead after that first half, to be expected. That first half was something to build on going forward. Forwards were in control and the backs strung a few moves together. Homer was excellent throughout at 15

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Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:10

Quote:
recman
It has to be said that we have really, really laboured to get the ball over the line today, when we were in range. That worries me a little.

Having said that they were patient and didn’t lose possession. What was more interesting was that they actually chose to spread it through the backs instead of battering away and scored. First half display was much improved second not so but there were many disruptions due to Hias injuries and substitutions. The game seemed to become really scrappy later on but we were out of site by then.

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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:12

That was the "Gizzit!" I was looking for!

Well done Bath. Enjoy Christmas and come back ready to do the same to Sale!

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Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:13

Awesome team performance, Homer RP Stooke Chudders Stuart and Obano all stand out.

McNallys best game for us.

Why can’t we play like this every week? Probably because the opposition were rather ordinary, Cowan aside. Still a good set of results for us this weekend. Need to do same next week.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Rokobilly (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:14

Only saw the second half - had to follow the first online - and lovely to watch Bath without the blood pressure going through the roof. Far from perfect but much, much better. Just hope the injuries are not too bad. Need another W v Sale. In the meantime, Merry Christmas to all in the blue, black and white.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: nigewing (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:15

Must be Tom’s new haircut 😀😀

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:17

What injuries did we get?

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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:19

Quote:
ExiledChameleon
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I’m not up on the LI team. Is that considered to be a strong line up & who are the main threats?

Our pack is very strong, with 1 & 7 the only two positions I'd say that you have the upper hand in (although Cowan has been amazing this year).

I did think that this was an optimistic LI view...turns out it definitely was. The Bath front row did the same as they have been doing all year. Great performance.

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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:21

Quote:
OutsideBath
What injuries did we get?

See:

[www.somersetlive.co.uk]

Roberts, Stooke, Watson all seemed to pick up knocks.
Not sure how serious.

PG

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:24

Watson said he was fine in the pot match interviews, Roberts looked crocked to me, Stooke HIA I think.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Long Term (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:24

Well that can't be right!! Well done Bath, played with precision particularly in the first half, dummy runners running with intent, Roberts making dents, Priestland doing what he does best i.e. kicking huge distances the backs threatening, dominant starting front row, good set piece, tremendous defence etc. I now expect to be told one swallow doesn't make a summer, Irish are weak, 2nd half was poor etc etc. Still waiting to hear which Bath players are not committed when they go on to the field.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 17:36

Yes Roberts neck or shoulder definitely hurt. Is Willison back otherwise Wright at 12 and JJ at 13 I guess.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Rokobilly (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 18:10

Did Ellis pick up a knock too? Think BT commentators mentioned it in passing.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 18:28

Sadly, arrived at (TV) at half time, all excited like. In isolation the 2nd half was dreadful quality from both sides. We drew it 7-7 with our try coming from a kick so bad that Myler might have been wearing plimsolls. The weekend seems to have indicated that not much has changed from last season. Sarries and Exeter in a class of their own. LI standout relegation candidates. Tigers’ backs will keep them up. Us looking good for 6th or 7th.

Still, a weekend of 5 points for 1st team, a United win and U18s beating Sarries just means we’ll carry on arguing whether it’s signs of a strong foundation and a bright future, or more evidence of inconsistency.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 19:12

The game was won at half time and there were disruptions in the second half for injuries and the card as well as the inevitable subs. I am sure that first and foremost was to ensure no further injuries be sustained and secure our margin. If it had been closer I am sure the intensity would have continued but when your 5 tries up there is a tendency to ease up. So great that we kept them down to one score!

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 19:26

That will have done the players confidence a lot of good after heavy defeats. The analysis will take the opponents strength into account as they will have done after previous losses. Take stock, congratulate, move on.

I haven't seen the game yet but the key will be, are we improving? That is all that counts at this time. Looking forward to seeing the recording.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: ilovebathtime (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 19:32

The most promising moment of that for me was rocos try in the corner where rather than keep going with the forwards we identified space and had the confidence and skill to go wide.

The first half was very good, and I am not too bothered about the second as the game was won.

You can only beat the team in front of you, but that Irish performance was probably the worst I have seen in the premiership since London welsh's season.

Next week will be a lot tougher. Hopefully we will have a few more players back for then, and can string some wins together.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 19:56

Ellis and Roberts both had ice on shoulder injuries. Watson and Homer both had knocks which they seemed to run off. Watson confirmed he was ok in post match interview. Underhill had a HIA which he was said to have passed didn’t return to the pitch as we were well up and precautionary approach was needed. So maybe only 2 new injury issues

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 19:59

Brilliant day, I am not going to bemoan the disjointed 2nd half, what we must do now is not get carried away and pat ourselves on the back thinking we have cracked it. We now need to back this up with a serious display at the Rec against a very strong Sale side.

You do have to question WHY it has taken til the end of December to show any attacking prowess.

Going to be a happy Christmas now..

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Yellow Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 20:28

I haven't seen the game yet as working all day. But is sounds as if London Irish definitely had some yellow hammer.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 20:48

That was a convincing team performance with not just wholehearted effort but also good application throughout the team. We can only beat the team in front of us & to gain a bonus point win away from home is never easy to achieve so credit to all involved. However , despite a spirited start to the season LI are a limited team & particularly so when missing some of their top players so let’s not get too carried away. As has been said, the important thing is to follow this up with a home win against a much stronger side next weekend.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 20:56

Quote:
Bath Hammer
That was a convincing team performance with not just wholehearted effort but also good application throughout the team. We can only beat the team in front of us & to gain a bonus point win away from home is never easy to achieve so credit to all involved. However , despite a spirited start to the season LI are a limited team & particularly so when missing some of their top players so let’s not get too carried away. As has been said, the important thing is to follow this up with a home win against a much stronger side next weekend.

Agree BH they were really terrible - worst team Bath have played for a long time. Great for Bath to jump above them and would be awesome if they continue to play so poorly for the rest of the season as it will mean that we don’t have to worry. Sale played well and will be a level above what they faced today.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Long Term (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 21:06

Yes BH my enthusiasm at this win is, as you may realise, in response to the wall of negativity from certain posters who as per are missing after a win. Small steps but the value of confidence can't be underestimated in my opinion.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 21:08

I reckon Ali and Bath Hammer are right here. But as big a critic of Priestland I have been today he was contender do MotM. His line kicking was immense, his defence very sound and general marshalling of others around him was spot on

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 21:35

Very, very good first half. Fluency in the backs, JJ looking interested, Rhys playing flatter (when not kicking it miles) and Tom Homer simply outstanding. But my MoM was Elliot Stooke (again). The forwards looked like they knew the plan and were prepared to be patient to achieve it and he was at the heart of that. Yes, Irish did not play well but they were 4 points ahead of us in the table at start of play so let's not get entitled ust yet. How about after we've won back to back Prems? I'd accept some arrogance then.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 21:38

I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 21:42

Can't argue with that really, Rhys Priestland was kicking a mighty long way from hand and was accurate of the tee. Its worth looking at the game again though, in terms of getting our back line moving Stephen Myler in his plimsolls did more.
We were lethal in pouncing on their mistakes and our dominant pack produced quick ball. RP fits the 10 man game but isn't the spark that gets our backs going.
Don't really care though can't get any more points than 5.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 21:46

Quote:
joethefanatic
I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.

Hooper is terrible, Bruce is a hamster and Tarquin smells of elderberries. Slippers...spa...accountant...blah etc.

Happy?

[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 21:48

Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
joethefanatic
I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.

Hooper is terrible, Bruce is a hamster and Tarquin smells of elderberries. Slippers...spa...accountant...blah etc.

Happy?

I can tell your heart's not in it, BM, but thank you for trying.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 21:52

Great day out in Reading! Superb performance and one of the few matches i can remember when I felt we were in control throughout so it was an oddly relaxing, enjoyable experience.

Obano and Dunn superb. McNally awesome and delivered his best BB&W (/yellow) game yet. The back row tireless and Bayliss was close to my MotM, making 20/20 tackles. Chudley and Priestland shaped and controlled the back 4 (inc JJ) were so dangerous.

Sure, they weren’t great but, as Clermont did to us last week, we made them seem very ordinary.

Onto Sale. Massive home game. Can’t get too excited after one good win but really looking forward to it now.

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Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 22:01

Agree BH they were really terrible - worst team Bath have played for a long time. Great for Bath to jump above them and would be awesome if they continue to play so poorly for the rest of the season as it will mean that we don’t have to worry. Sale played well and will be a level above what they faced today.[/quote]

I've always liked LI since the days they played by Kempton Park so can't echo your sentiments bm53, particularly as it's very hard to compete in the Prem as a newly promoted side. I'm desperately hoping that they stay up and are able to play Prem rugby in their first season in their new stadium. I don't think we'll be relegated-we have these doomsayers every season--but think it would be good for the league if a 'big name' went down. If that's us, so be it.

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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 22:06

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If this is to be believed then they have lowest attendance in the league and by match is is horrific.
[rd.premiershiprugby.com]

About 3000 against Quins, 3500 against Sale, 5000 vs Tigers.

Today should be higher than that. It’a hard to get people to separate with hundreds for what was likely to be a season getting slapped about before being relegated, especially given that we’re moving to somewhere else next year, which cut crowds in half more or less overnight.

Official attendance announced as c9,260, it certainly looked a good crowd and felt like it with the noise around us. Great day out...

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 22:19

[quote TomReagan]Agree BH they were really terrible - worst team Bath have played for a long time. Great for Bath to jump above them and would be awesome if they continue to play so poorly for the rest of the season as it will mean that we don’t have to worry. Sale played well and will be a level above what they faced today.[/quote]

I've always liked LI since the days they played by Kempton Park so can't echo your sentiments bm53, particularly as it's very hard to compete in the Prem as a newly promoted side. I'm desperately hoping that they stay up and are able to play Prem rugby in their first season in their new stadium. I don't think we'll be relegated-we have these doomsayers every season--but think it would be good for the league if a 'big name' went down. If that's us, so be it.[/quote]

If you are ‘desperately hoping‘ that LI stay up but are nonchalant about Bath going down, isn’t that slightly odd as a Bath fan?

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Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 22:21

Well that’s Christmas ruined. The only thing those true BBW fans on this site can be miserable about now is the thought of Hooper whistling jingle bells with a spring in his step. Add in a post Christmas thumping of Sale and those true BBW fans will be inconsolable. I feel for those true BBW fans in these days devoid of gloom and despondency. I really do.

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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 22:24

Quote:
joethefanatic
Yes, Irish did not play well but they were 4 points ahead of us in the table at start of play so let's not get entitled just yet. How about after we've won back to back Prems? I'd accept some arrogance then.

I was not intending to be arrogant, far from it. I just reflected what I saw like many have about Bath this season. I actually have a lot of time for LI & feel embarrassed that we have poached so many of their best players, several of whom had a big impact on today’s outcome. Considering the difficulties they have faced they deserve great credit. I do feel, though, that unless today’s performance was just a blip, if they suffer the sort of player loss that we have suffered in recent years they will do well to survive but I really hope they do, though not at our expense!

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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 22:25

Eeyore must have found a nice thistle field somewhere.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 22:31

Quote:
Beergoggles
Well that’s Christmas ruined. The only thing those true BBW fans on this site can be miserable about now is the thought of Hooper whistling jingle bells with a spring in his step. Add in a post Christmas thumping of Sale and those true BBW fans will be inconsolable. I feel for those true BBW fans in these days devoid of gloom and despondency. I really do.

There’s actually only 2 or 3 who meet that description Beergoggles unless you include those, including me, who voice any criticism whatsoever! It’s just that those comparatively few posts rather stand out.

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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 22:32

Quote:
Bath Hammer
Quote:
joethefanatic
Yes, Irish did not play well but they were 4 points ahead of us in the table at start of play so let's not get entitled just yet. How about after we've won back to back Prems? I'd accept some arrogance then.

I was not intending to be arrogant, far from it. I just reflected what I saw like many have about Bath this season. I actually have a lot of time for LI & feel embarrassed that we have poached so many of their best players, several of whom had a big impact on today’s outcome. Considering the difficulties they have faced they deserve great credit. I do feel, though, that unless today’s performance was just a blip, if they suffer the sort of player loss that we have suffered in recent years they will do well to survive but I really hope they do, though not at our expense!

Hi BH, my comment was not aimed at you (or anyone else), it was intended as an observation on our tendency as supporters to swing to extremes depending on whether we've won or lost smiling smiley I was also pointing out that LI have been a better team overall than us so far this season.

Happy holidays (and after today, they will be)

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

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Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 22:37

Good performance, you can only beat the team in front of you and the backs showed more fire than in recent matches. A good start to this group of games, fingers crossed this may give the team more confidence in the next home game.

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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 23:12

Quote:
ballsout
Very strong Bath team, much stronger than I expected. No excuses...

For those waiting for bo, the above is his regular strategy - it means his view is validated whatever the result. He'll be along to tell us that beating LI is meaningless unless it's followed up by several consistent performances (and he'll be absolutely right in that respect).

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Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2019 23:13

In response to Bath Matt, odd perhaps, but I still don't want our safety to be secured through Irish being weak all season. It's so difficult to stay up as a newly promoted side and if a long-established club, with all its advantages, finishes bottom they deserve to go down. It won't be us, but I really hope it's not Irish. The fact that we've had a few of their players is also a factor in my thinking.

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 07:45

Quote:
joethefanatic
I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.

The sole purpose of sport is to win and preferably hammer the opposition in the process, therefore it’s not possible to be negative after yesterday’s result.

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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 07:55

Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
joethefanatic
I seem to detect an echoing absence of negativity on this thread. How refreshing.

The sole purpose of sport is to win and preferably hammer the opposition in the process, therefore it’s not possible to be negative after yesterday’s result.

But yet they persist.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 08:00

Of course it’s not the sole purpose of sport (think we have disagreed on this before Ocool smiley otherwise you wouldn’t get 40,000 people running the London marathon.

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 08:25

Quote:
BathMatt53
Of course it’s not the sole purpose of sport (think we have disagreed on this before Ocool smiley otherwise you wouldn’t get 40,000 people running the London marathon.

Apologies, I really should have added IMO.

I'm still glowing after the win so clearly got over excited with my typing.. (Sm151)

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 09:18

Best attacking display of the season

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Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 10:08

Quote:
Bath Hammer
Quote:
Beergoggles
Well that’s Christmas ruined. The only thing those true BBW fans on this site can be miserable about now is the thought of Hooper whistling jingle bells with a spring in his step. Add in a post Christmas thumping of Sale and those true BBW fans will be inconsolable. I feel for those true BBW fans in these days devoid of gloom and despondency. I really do.

There’s actually only 2 or 3 who meet that description Beergoggles unless you include those, including me, who voice any criticism whatsoever! It’s just that those comparatively few posts rather stand out.

I think the doom and gloom merchants know who they are Bath Hammer. Agree there are only a couple of voices but boy are they loud .. and repetetive ... over and over and over again.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 10:52

Quote:

A bit OTT to describe Priestland's game management as "world class". He was very good indeed but let's keep some perspective

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Bath Born and Bred (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 10:55

Yesterday I was sitting at the Madejeski with 19 other old uni friends from way back, for our annual reunion - as one BBW amidst a sea of Emerald (there were half a dozen neutrals/wasps/quins amongst us too) - we all had a good craic, I lived to tell the tale and am looking forward to welcoming them back to The Rec in March for some similar hospitality and a similar result!

Also, great congrats to Tom H on his MotM - an excellent performance, and far more inspiring than any of my old lessons at school on your Greek namesake!

Merry Christmas all!

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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 11:05

Just watched the 5 minute highlights.

A few thoughts:- the Ellis pass for the Chudley try did look forward, some good dummy lines run by our backs, for Underhill's 'silly' penalty I think he was first man in from Bath so no ruck formed(?), was Mylers cross kick touched in flight hence falling well short? It had an odd trajectory, irrelevant maybe but just being fair to him if it was.

It's a bit late in his career for Chudley to change but if he could cut out the little skip before passing out from the ruck that would be a simple improvement (a la Peter Stringer).

Great to see some offloads, built on confidence in the scoreboard.

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: ChippenhamRoman (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 11:40

Views from the stand was our defence was rock solid. Many dominating tackles, hitting Irish back. Well set, fast line speed. Great aggression.

We didn’t box kick at all in the first half, this showed. Have confidence to run and it will pay off.

Irish were poor in attack. Never had any creativity.

A good surface makes a hell of a difference. The Rec does not help us play to our strengths.

Also, running out of Guinness with 30 minutes to go. WTF?!?

This is London IRISH! That’s like us running out of Thatchers at the Rec.

All in all a good day out. Also, free dodgems. Brilliant.

J

Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 12:16

Quote:
gaz59
Quote:

A bit OTT to describe Priestland's game management as "world class". He was very good indeed but let's keep some perspective

I've still only watched highlights of the first half, but as far as i could tell most of our tries actually owed more to our 'defence' than to attacking with ball in hand. Nothing wrong with that at all. But it was a day on which everything went right for us (and god knows, we are owed a few of those), including key opposition players missing compounded by extremely disruptive and early in-match injuries, kind bounces of the ball, and those refereeing decisions that always go your way when you are physically dominant.

Hooper and the players' confidence will benefit hugely from us being removed from the relegation chat and scoring some tries, but dishing out 8s and 9s out of 10 to players for a 20-minute purple patch was a bit over-excited.

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Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 12:41

Positivity of the first half was fantastic. More of this please! Happy Christmas

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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 12:50

Think you are being a bit harsh Opti! They played really well (against limited opponents) in the first half. Then the subs were made early in the second and that disrupted things quite a bit. If I have a concern is that there appears to be quite a drop off from the 1st front row (which is brilliant) to the replacements.

I’m not sure that Homer could have done any more - he did his job, made his tackles and catches and made loads of breaks and ran loads of metres.

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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 13:07

Thought Jamie Roberts had the best game for a long time - shame he seems to have picked up a serious, arm/shoulder injury - he was holding it very gingerly after the game.

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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 13:17

Yes he did well. Their 12 had gone off injured and then the replacement also got injured which would have helped but his running and passing was really good.

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Posted by: Barnoid (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 13:42

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BathMatt53
Think you are being a bit harsh Opti! They played really well (against limited opponents) in the first half. Then the subs were made early in the second and that disrupted things quite a bit. If I have a concern is that there appears to be quite a drop off from the 1st front row (which is brilliant) to the replacements.
I’m not sure that Homer could have done any more - he did his job, made his tackles and catches and made loads of breaks and ran loads of metres.

The disruption of losing Nathan Catt and Henry Thomas for basically the entire season likely hasn't helped here. I presume at the start of the season we would have been looking at both of those guys starting a good number of games.

Not meant as any kind of sleight to messrs Boyce and Judge, but being able to bring on two hugely experienced campaigners like those after 60 minutes would be a different story. Contrast it with last weekend over in Clermont where you look over at their bench with 20 minutes to go and see a guy like Rabah Slimani stretching out and popping his gum shield in. *gulp*

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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 14:33

Spot on Barnoid.

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Re: BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF: LONDON IRISH v BATH: TEAMS ARE UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 14:43

Remember Todd's attack when they have the ball, that was Sunday. Defence was very much our attacking weapon, aided by Stephen Myler's plimsols of course.

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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 15:24

It’s a perfectly fine and legitimate strategy and tactic SW. But it’s worth keeping in mind that we won’t be meeting such a compliant side any time soon. We’ll also need the ability to frighten decent sides with ball on hand. I’m being harsh on this game, but I’m also a bit more forgiving than some when we lose. Neither of the Clermont games, for example, really changed my view as to where we are as a team. The two most significant games of the season have been Saints and Exe.

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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 15:56

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Spot on Barnoid.

Yep completely agree. Most frustrating thing about the stupid binning was it bringing back stuart into the fray when he should have been in cotton wool. V reliant on him and beno now

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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 15:59

Tbf boyce/noguera and judge are v good third choice options. Just tough to effectively go a whole season without 2 of your frontline 'porp' options...

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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 16:17

Boyce and Judge have had very little time with Mr Hatley - he should be able to improve them surely (given a bit more time)

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Posted by: WestonLurker (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 16:30

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shipwrecked
Remember Todd's attack when they have the ball, that was Sunday. Defence was very much our attacking weapon, aided by Stephen Myler's plimsols of course.

I went to the Eddie Jones talk at Christ Church on Julian Road last month (I believe there was a second session the following day). There was, unsurprisingly, a discussion regarding the World Cup Final, what the game plan was and more generally how do you beat the South Africans.

As part of this Eddie asked the question: what is the best indicator for the winner of a rugby game? Suggestions from the audience included percentage possession, metres carried, clean breaks, etc. along with the usual wag suggesting points on the board.

Eddie's answer, and I assume it was backed by statistics, is that the best indicator is the team which kicks most is the winning team. Clearly the kicking has to be accurate, but the way to win a game of rugby is to give the ball to the opposition under pressure and in an area of the pitch that they don't want to play, and then hit them hard. So good tackling wins matches not just because the opposition don't score, but you do when you regather following the tackle or from the dash to the ball bobbling in space.

Possibly a bit depressing as we, I imagine, like to see the flowing three quarter moves and dynamic pick-and-goes from the forwards.

I didn't see the London Irish came, so only caught up on replay later, but I think all of Bath's tries stemmed from kicks of some description. On the other hand I did see the United game the previous day and Max Ojomoh's try from first phase (lineout) ball was the highlight for me.

It's easy to see how a DoR, possibly under pressure for results, might come up with a game plan to kick the leather off the ball (like Jack Charlton's Irish soccer team) at all opportunities. I'm thinking more Gary Gold here than either Backadder or Hooper.

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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 16:53

I think most people would kill for the lack of success we had under Mike Ford when the type of kick we witnessed most regularly was the conversion.

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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 17:35

On the basis that the opposition can't score points without the ball Eddie's answer has some risk I would say and is based upon having an elite squad. It won't work for every team. Play to your strengths, whatever they are.

If Hooper can turn our pack into a dominant force the rest of the tactics, with possession, become a lot easier. Execution is still required but at least there are options for 8/9/10/12 to choose from.

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 19:29

The problem with Mike Ford's attack diamond was that is was an entirely one dimensional plan that had key person risk (I.e. only George could regularly pick the right pass in traffic). Quins worked out how to shut it down at the end of the regular season, Sarries obliterated it in the final and then the next season was a disaster with Ford trying to add to it with Matawalu and Burgess.

I would rather have a game plan where we make the right attack/kick decisions dependent on what's on the field in front of you rather than because it's pre-planned that you always attack from your own 10m. But whatever the game plan is it will only work if people know their roles and are comfortable with them. That takes time.

Yes we got humped by Clermont and Sarries and that sucks. Is our scrum looking better than last year? Yes. Is our lineout looking better than last year? Yes. Are our possession stats better, our ball retention? Yes. Small steps. Further to go. But a start.

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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2019 19:58

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hasta

Yes we got humped by Clermont and Sarries and that sucks. Is our scrum looking better than last year? Yes. Is our lineout looking better than last year? Yes. Are our possession stats better, our ball retention? Yes. Small steps. Further to go. But a start.

Yes, Hasta small steps, the maul needs fine tuning and pod formation near the line is good but it needs to happen faster. Pack is looking much better which was always part of the plan.

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Posted by: Boldangrey (IP Logged)
Date: 24/12/2019 08:19

[quote WestonLurker][quote shipwrecked]


Eddie's answer, and I assume it was backed by statistics, is that the best indicator is the team which kicks most is the winning team. Clearly the kicking has to be accurate, but the way to win a game of rugby is to give the ball to the opposition under pressure and in an area of the pitch that they don't want to play, and then hit them hard. So good tackling wins matches not just because the opposition don't score, but you do when you regather following the tackle or from the dash to the ball bobbling in space.
.[/quote]

'Clearly the kicking has to be accurate, '

therein lies the key - plus a strong follow up.

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Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 24/12/2019 12:35

Finally, a performance to be proud of. Proper handling too. What a treat. Can’t remember the last time we put 80 mins of great rugby together. Now let’s do the same against Sale, and put two good performances together. Then it might mean something...

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Posted by: JFPC (IP Logged)
Date: 24/12/2019 22:19

Did a few Christmas wishes just come true!?!?

Adopted player 2019/20 Will Chudley. Weird split household co-parented
player 2020 Josh Matavesi

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Date: 27/12/2019 17:43


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