BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL
Webb: debut?
By P G Tips
February 26 2020
Bath must beware the bear in the next round of the Premiership, Sunday’s home derby against Bristol. Bristol Bears inflicted Bath’s heaviest defeat of the campaign to date and, having weathered a fallow patch in December are resurgent, winning in 3 of their 4 league ties since the turn of the year. Bath’s record against other West Country teams has been poor since Mike Ford’s stellar 2015 season and England commitments look like disrupting selection again. So will Bears triumph again, or can Bath justify their DOR’s bullish optimism?
The Premiership has proven far from a bear market for Bristol since their promotion at the end of 2018. They finished well clear of the relegation scrap in 9th in their first season back and now enjoy the lofty heights of 3rd, 2 places above Bath. Their DOR, Pat Lam is smarter than the average bear. He took unfancied Connaught to the Pro 14 title a few seasons ago playing an attractive style of all-action rugby, which Bristol are now showing off. Unencumbered by 6 Nations call ups they will feel that this is their chance to do the double over their nearest and oldest derby rivals.
Bristol have won 6 of their 11 Premiership matches, but earn their higher ranking courtesy of a draw and superior points difference. They have only 1 more point than Bath, so defeat could push them out of the top four- a double motivation if one is needed. It is the collective effort and game style of Bristol that has propelled them up the table this season, rather than a litter of star players. Their never say die approach and faith in attack was amply demonstrated 2 weeks ago when an error strewn first half performance at Franklin’s gardens was transformed into a winning comeback. Danger men up front include Dave Attwood, well known to the Rec faithful, Nathan Hughes who does a pretty good impression of an enraged grizzly on the charge and, perhaps most dangerous of all Dan Thomas whose turnovers so punished Bath at Ashton Gate in October. Behind the scrum Calum Sheedy pulls the strings from 10, Randall is a sniping danger at scrum half and out wide Morahan, Piutau and Purdy provide the running threat.
Bath too are in form recently, having won 3 Premiership tries on the trot and will be aiming to make it 4 for the first time in many seasons. There will be an extra spice to selection for this game, not only the availability of Taulupe Faletau, but also the news that exciting new signings Cameron Redpath and Rhys Webb are already in Bath and training with the squad. If selected, their contribution is likely to be from the bench. Stuart Hooper describes Webb in particular as “pretty sharp” at the moment. Both are said to be “in consideration” for Sunday. The news from the England camp is less pleasing. Although this will be a fallow 6 Nations weekend, England have retained 25 players Eddie Jones choosing as expected Ewels, Underhill and Joseph to train for the Wales game. All three will miss the Bristol match, as more surprisingly will Tom Dunn, covering again for Luke Cowan –Dickie. Beno Obano and Will Stuart are released to boost Bath’s front row but Anthony Watson, who is in rehab from his calf injury, and running again, is also wanted in camp in the hope he can be fit by March 7th. Hooper played down other injury concerns, simply stating “We are pretty good” and talking of “bumps and bruises” rather than major setbacks. As he does not name the team until Friday it is hoped that Francois Louw will have recovered from his HIA and Elliott Stooke from the leg injury he suffered against Quins.
Whoever Bath field they have a “sixteenth man” in the heavy Rec pitch. Pat Lam has already sent the fur flying, describing it as a “mud pool” and Bath will want to test the Bears’ aptitude for big snorkelling by pinning them in “the deep end” with tactical kicking and driven mauls.
With Obano and Stuart to feature, McNally, Stooke and Mercer in the form they showed against Quins, Bath should gain plenty of possession and go forward to delight the home crowd. Signs of renewed attacking ambition were evident in that match too – with Bath unlucky to gain only one try from the lineout move which sent Ruaridh McConnochie over the whitewash early on. Josh Matavesi is showing a nice mix of power, guile and trickery while Ruaridh will want to add to his try tally to remind Eddie Jones that he deserves another trip to Japan this summer. Perhaps the biggest cheers though will be for appearances from the bench. Lewis Boyce deserves a raucous one for his man of the match shift in both tight and loose last week. If Rhys Webb is here short term only, then he should be involved as soon as possible and should receive a rousing welcome. His passing should help create more space for Ruaridh and Roko out wide and his breaks could catch the bears napping.
Bath may not be matching their ambitions for sparkling rugby yet, but are learning the habit of winning tight games – a valuable trait in emotion charged derbies. Another derby loss would be hard for the Rec faithful to bear. Bath must harness the excitement of this week’s signings and the momentum of the last three rounds to get their own claws firmly into their opponents flesh. It is time to send the Bears back to Bristol with sore heads.
Possible Teams:
Bath:
Obano, Walker, Judge, Stooke, McNally, Louw (Capt.), Faletau, Mercer. Chudley, Priestland, McConnochie, Matavesi, Willison, Rokodoguni. Homer
Replacements: Boyce, Doughty, Stuart, Garvey, Ellis.Webb, Burns, Redpath.
Bristol Bears:
Woolmore, Capon, Thiede,Attwood, Joyce, Vui, , Thomas Hughes. Randall, Sheedy. Purdy, Bedlow, O’Connor, Morahan. Piutau.
Repacements: Malton, Thomas, Afoa, Hamilton, Heenan. Uren, Lloyd, Leiua
BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2020 10:53
Well looking at those possible teams on a player for player comparison there are only 2 or 3 max I would take from Bristol over our 23
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2020 10:58
I would throw Webb in at the deep end to test Randall in defence bit of a mismatch there! Redpath from the bench, Matevesi created some great offloads v Quins he deserves to be retained.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2020 10:59
Is luatua injured? Big loss for them if so.
Lastest England Training squad includes:
Tom Dunn (Bath Rugby)
Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby)
Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby)
Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby)
So, looks as though Obano and Stuart are back with Bath, which is obviously huge news for Sunday.
(Just noticed that Walker is covering himself from the bench on that team list PG!)
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Lastest England Training squad includes:
Tom Dunn (Bath Rugby)
Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby)
Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby)
Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby)
So, looks as though Obano and Stuart are back with Bath, which is obviously huge news for Sunday.
(Just noticed that Walker is covering himself from the bench on that team list PG!)
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2020 17:54
I would love to know how they take Webb and weave him into the team at short notice whilst not upsetting recent progress.
A lot to talk about especially with 9 being such a pivotal position. To watch from the sidelines at Farleigh this week would be fascinating.
A lot to talk about especially with 9 being such a pivotal position. To watch from the sidelines at Farleigh this week would be fascinating.
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2020 20:20
Quote:BathMatt53
(Just noticed that Walker is covering himself from the bench on that team list PG!)
Well spotted!
The Doughty Doughty will deputise!
PG
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2020 22:43
Quote:B4thB4ck
I would love to know how they take Webb and weave him into the team at short notice whilst not upsetting recent progress.
A lot to talk about especially with 9 being such a pivotal position. To watch from the sidelines at Farleigh this week would be fascinating.
Agree! One or both of Chudley and Cook will be feeling pretty dejected.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2020 06:36
Sir for Sunday - he of the Bath red card, Ian Tempest.
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Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2020 09:25
Well we know Mr Tempest spends all his time looking at the set piece, neither of which he understands, and effectively never polices the off side line, as evidenced last week on TV. So you will see a scrum half trying to pass the ball around a defender and their centres shaking hands with ours.
He is one ref who certainly has not improved since he started on the Prem list, and should be running the line at best like a certain Roy Maybank, who used to let mayhem flow in front of him.
He maybe to our advantage but, as he has 'history' with Bath, I very much doubt we will get much out of him. Makes this game even harder for us.
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He is one ref who certainly has not improved since he started on the Prem list, and should be running the line at best like a certain Roy Maybank, who used to let mayhem flow in front of him.
He maybe to our advantage but, as he has 'history' with Bath, I very much doubt we will get much out of him. Makes this game even harder for us.
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2020 09:34
Quote:OptimistQuote:B4thB4ck
I would love to know how they take Webb and weave him into the team at short notice whilst not upsetting recent progress.
A lot to talk about especially with 9 being such a pivotal position. To watch from the sidelines at Farleigh this week would be fascinating.
Agree! One or both of Chudley and Cook will be feeling pretty dejected.
If they are and show it then I would hope they can find another club. Or if their reaction is "jeez I've got to really step up my game just to get on the bench so what can I learn from this guy" then it will be positives all round
Like life, it isn't the set backs that define but how you respond
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Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2020 09:47
Very well said Gaz. Hopefully someone like Cookie will view it as chance to learn from someone who knows what is required of a top class 9 and has the experience of actually doing it. No doubt Meserrs Green and Fox will be detailed to spend time with Webby as well. It is a very good opportunity for them to learn from someone who has done it all and is still playing at the highest level.
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2020 09:54
Agree BoB, Fox and Green have the chance to learn from 2 very experienced but also quite different 9's in Webb and Spencer. Cooke and Chudley realise its no longer one or the other for the scrum half position and I hope they take the Gaz position and compete. I've got time for Chudley but Cooke's issues appear to be in his head, can that be learnt?
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2020 13:48
Hoops slippers and all!
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2020 14:00
Bristol expecting Luatua to be fit and ready. He's class
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2020 14:56
That Hoops interview could be played every gameweek of the year pretty much...
The smile on your face let's me know that you need me
There's a truth in your eyes saying you'll never leave me
The touch of your hand says you'll catch me wherever I fall
You say it best
When you say nothing at all...
We should play pre-match interview bingo next week I think? I'm going for 'heading in the right direction' and 'worked hard on the training pitch'.
He must hate having to turn up and do them when there isn't much to say when he could actually be prepping for the game.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
The smile on your face let's me know that you need me
There's a truth in your eyes saying you'll never leave me
The touch of your hand says you'll catch me wherever I fall
You say it best
When you say nothing at all...
We should play pre-match interview bingo next week I think? I'm going for 'heading in the right direction' and 'worked hard on the training pitch'.
He must hate having to turn up and do them when there isn't much to say when he could actually be prepping for the game.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 10:32
Particularly if we get a result against Bristol, I think we can safely assume that next week there will be a raft of media articles on how 'Stuart Hooper is quietly revitalizing long-dormant giant of the game Bath Rugby'.
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 11:17
And 'quiet evolution' is associated with the Introverted Thinker personality type - fits Hooper perfectly and explains any 'discomfort' with media interviews, not feeling comfortable in the 'spotlight'
Leadership traits typically include:
Analytical
Research-based practice
Focused
Strong sense of structure and order
Personally composed
Steady progress
High standards
Reflective
Succinct in communications
More comfortable working on own or in small, close-knit team
Of course these are all positive attributes though there is a dysfunctional aspect for each quality when things go wrong
But Eddie Jones by way of contrast ...
Leadership traits typically include:
Analytical
Research-based practice
Focused
Strong sense of structure and order
Personally composed
Steady progress
High standards
Reflective
Succinct in communications
More comfortable working on own or in small, close-knit team
Of course these are all positive attributes though there is a dysfunctional aspect for each quality when things go wrong
But Eddie Jones by way of contrast ...
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 11:26
Scroll down the link here for some classic Bath v Bristol derby games including the famous Twickenham final
I was there and had forgotten the Barnes missed goal (!) was the last kick of the game. Happy days
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
I was there and had forgotten the Barnes missed goal (!) was the last kick of the game. Happy days
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:02
Team Up. Webb starts!
BATH RUGBY SIDE TO FACE BRISTOL BEARS:
15. Tom Homer
14. Semesa Rokoduguni
13. Jackson Willison
12. Josh Matavesi
11. Ruaridh McConnochie
10. Rhys Priestland
9. Rhys Webb
1. Lewis Boyce
2. Jack Walker
3. Will Stuart
4. Josh McNally
5. Elliott Stooke
6. Mike Williams
7. Francois Louw (C)
8. Taulupe Faletau
Replacements
16. Tom Doughty, 17. Beno Obano, 18. Christian Judge, 19. Tom Ellis, 20. Josh Bayliss, 21. Chris Cook, 22. Freddie Burns, 23. Max Wright
PG
BATH RUGBY SIDE TO FACE BRISTOL BEARS:
15. Tom Homer
14. Semesa Rokoduguni
13. Jackson Willison
12. Josh Matavesi
11. Ruaridh McConnochie
10. Rhys Priestland
9. Rhys Webb
1. Lewis Boyce
2. Jack Walker
3. Will Stuart
4. Josh McNally
5. Elliott Stooke
6. Mike Williams
7. Francois Louw (C)
8. Taulupe Faletau
Replacements
16. Tom Doughty, 17. Beno Obano, 18. Christian Judge, 19. Tom Ellis, 20. Josh Bayliss, 21. Chris Cook, 22. Freddie Burns, 23. Max Wright
PG
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Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:03
Adopted Players: All of the little blighters!!!
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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:04
Presumably Zach is crocked - hope not for too long
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:05
15. Charles Piutau; 14. Luke Morahan, 13. Piers O’Conor, 12. Sam Bedlow, 11. Alapati Leiua; 10. Callum Sheedy, 9. Andy Uren; 1. Yann Thomas, 2. Shaun Malton, 3. Lewis Thiede, 4. Ed Holmes, 5. Joe Joyce, 6. Chris Vui, 7. Steven Luatua (c), 8. Jordan Crane.
Replacements: 16. Will Capon, 17. Jake Woolmore, 18. Max Lahiff, 19. Nathan Hughes, 20. Luke Hamilton, 21. Harry Randall, 22. Ian Madigan, 23. Mat Protheroe.
Unavailable: Harry Thacker (neck), Jordan Lay (knee), James Lay (leg), John Afoa (calf), Aly Muldowney (head), Dave Attwood (shoulder), Siale Piutau (knee), Luke Daniels (shoulder), Will Hurrell (head), Charlie Powell (ankle), Henry Purdy (hamstring).
Replacements: 16. Will Capon, 17. Jake Woolmore, 18. Max Lahiff, 19. Nathan Hughes, 20. Luke Hamilton, 21. Harry Randall, 22. Ian Madigan, 23. Mat Protheroe.
Unavailable: Harry Thacker (neck), Jordan Lay (knee), James Lay (leg), John Afoa (calf), Aly Muldowney (head), Dave Attwood (shoulder), Siale Piutau (knee), Luke Daniels (shoulder), Will Hurrell (head), Charlie Powell (ankle), Henry Purdy (hamstring).
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:07
I assume Zach gets a rest, Faletau will be away next two weeks.
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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:11
Quote:hasta
I assume Zach gets a rest, Faletau will be away next two weeks.
if so great - to be able to rest quality players because of the size, availability and quality of the squad isn't something we have been able to do for many a year
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Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:12
Strong bench options from both teams, though Bristol might shade it in a few positions. Going to be a fascinating one to watch unfold.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:17
Big names missing for them - Thacker, Afoa, Attwood, Purdy.
The weather conditions are certainly going to be to our advantage. By no means impossible for us to be second in the table by Sunday evening.
Is Chudley injured by the way?
The weather conditions are certainly going to be to our advantage. By no means impossible for us to be second in the table by Sunday evening.
Is Chudley injured by the way?
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Posted by: BathDonkey (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:26
Love the Welsh spine at 8, 9, 10. Makes sense. Hughes on the bench is good news too.
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:31
2 in-form teams, Nathan Hughes coming off the bench could be interesting although given the weather conditions and in the past he has not been so effective in those conditions probably explains why he is not starting - Crane is much more of a grafter and in my opinion highly underrated.
Hope we keep the belief and play to our strengths, if we do and Tempest keeps his cool in what I am sure will be a fiery encounter I am sure we can cheer our boys home...I take it Chudley must be injured because surely given the forecast and ground underfoot this game is made for him
Hope we keep the belief and play to our strengths, if we do and Tempest keeps his cool in what I am sure will be a fiery encounter I am sure we can cheer our boys home...I take it Chudley must be injured because surely given the forecast and ground underfoot this game is made for him
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:31
Quote:BathDonkey
Love the Welsh spine at 8, 9, 10. Makes sense. Hughes on the bench is good news too.
Yes that might be the reason Zach is rested, I wouldn't want to be Andy Uren! Really looking forward to this game!
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Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:38
Personally I would of benched Faletau for Ellis and started Zach as he is in such a rich vein of form. Or is he carrying a knock and we need to rest him up for the annual Exeter Rinsing?
Glad to see Matavesi and Willison together again and also hope Roko is getting back to form.
Got to keep young Uren under control and also Harry Randall, both of whom are real threats. Aimless and miss directed kicking will be run back by Piatau and his fellow backs Monahan and Leiua. They are keeping Hughes back but I believe our pack could get on top of their eight if we play to the top of our form. During this time, we must build a score and take every point on offer, (and not loose the ball in trying to build rolling mauls from lineouts), especially as Bristol have proved their fitness and always finish strong.
It is going to be tight but I am predicting a Bath win by under 5. That may be the kiss of death but we really do need another win to set us up for the Exeter game where we will be sorely tested.
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
Glad to see Matavesi and Willison together again and also hope Roko is getting back to form.
Got to keep young Uren under control and also Harry Randall, both of whom are real threats. Aimless and miss directed kicking will be run back by Piatau and his fellow backs Monahan and Leiua. They are keeping Hughes back but I believe our pack could get on top of their eight if we play to the top of our form. During this time, we must build a score and take every point on offer, (and not loose the ball in trying to build rolling mauls from lineouts), especially as Bristol have proved their fitness and always finish strong.
It is going to be tight but I am predicting a Bath win by under 5. That may be the kiss of death but we really do need another win to set us up for the Exeter game where we will be sorely tested.
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:42
Excellent lineup - very pleased with that.
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Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 12:59
Looking at our selection, allowing for the absentees due to international call ups and injuries, it seems nearly our best side, apart from back up nine. I like Ali think the conditions, and being against 2 fast running scrum halves, are made for Chudders. If he is not hurt and he didn't start last week, makes me think he is considered behind Cook and to me that is madness. I wonder if this is going to be our future, with Chudders maybe leaving. Great shame if it is.
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 13:27
For once, I think, I will be starting the match from the sofa and not behind it. That's a measure of my belief and excitement and probably Webb starting is the trigger for that. Hope it lasts to final whistle!
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 13:32
Our n/a teams this year have been weaker than for many seasons, and having to rely on players who aren't actually injured, but just aren't available for selection. Still carrying a few threats in the backs, but struggling to win much ball. Am I missing anyone?
Thomas, Dunn, Catt
Ewels, ano
Mercer, Reid, ano
Green, ano
Atkins, JJ, Clark, Watson, Coka
Thomas, Dunn, Catt
Ewels, ano
Mercer, Reid, ano
Green, ano
Atkins, JJ, Clark, Watson, Coka
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 14:10
My only change would be Obano to start and Boyce to bench in an otherwise very strong Bath XV, I hope the Welsh 8, 9, 10 combo works well and Webb buys RP a bit more time and has a snipe or two of his own to keep them guessing. When I read the Bristol team some of their names meant nothing to me e.g #12 Bedlow and their entire front row; which boosted my confidence in the man to man match up. I know their back three can be v dangerous if we kick loosely to them but our sticky pitch might not suit their side stepping, running game so well. If RP can keep Bris in their own half and our defence hold firm I fancy us to win as do the bookies - Oddschecker Bath v Bristol
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Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 14:17
It may be better to have Obano and Judge at 65 mins to avoid the lottery of scrum penalties at 78 minutes handing the match to the opposition!
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 14:38
43-16 in Bristol at the start of the season could we (Bath Rugby) possibly reverse that at home and us score 7 tries?
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 15:30
Optimist, you can add Underhill to your team, he's pretty decent
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 18:05
Was in Bath today for work, I don't think it stopped raining all day and at times it was very heavy.
With talk of the pitch and bad weather this winter, is it ever possible to cover the pitch in the same way they do using a type of tent for frost and ice? It would have kept a huge amount of water off the surface.
Should be a cracking game but the pitch is going to be like porridge.
With talk of the pitch and bad weather this winter, is it ever possible to cover the pitch in the same way they do using a type of tent for frost and ice? It would have kept a huge amount of water off the surface.
Should be a cracking game but the pitch is going to be like porridge.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 18:28
Our 8,9,10 will be well used to stodgey pitches.
Average rainfall in S Wales 97 inches. Average rainfall in Bath 30 inches.
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Average rainfall in S Wales 97 inches. Average rainfall in Bath 30 inches.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 18:44
Quote:shipwrecked
Our 8,9,10 will be well used to stodgey pitches.
Average rainfall in S Wales 97 inches. Average rainfall in Bath 30 inches.
When was the last time any of those three played in south Wales?
Apart from millennium stadium with roof closed?
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 19:00
Ermm... most of their playing careers!
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 19:14
The Bristol prawn sandwich brigade who are all teary about their players having to get muddy at the Rec need to take a look at the Kingsholm pitch - need a snorkel for that.
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 22:55
Quote:shipwrecked
Ermm... most of their playing careers!
Really
Rhys Webb was in south France
Faletau and Priestland have been with Bath for a while but they know the boggy areas of the Rec more than anyone
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/02/2020 23:41
Quote:gaz59Quote:shipwrecked
Ermm... most of their playing careers!
Really
Rhys Webb was in south France
Faletau and Priestland have been with Bath for a while but they know the boggy areas of the Rec more than anyone
Silly discussion, I'm saying they all learnt at club level on some muddy pitches in Wales. Talupe Faletau, 2009–19, Newport Gwent Dragons, Rhys Priestland 2007-2015 Scarlets, Rhys Webb 2007-2018 Ospreys.
But if you believe Faletau and Priestland learn't to cope with mud at the Rec I guess I'm wrong.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/02/2020 23:40
So here is an example of how Sarries could yet decide the Premiership whilst getting relegated and it directly affects the top 4 positions. With the league so close this season it could have a big affect.
Tonight Saints are 3rd they should be 4th.
At the end of the game today with the score at 21-27 with the last kick of the game Saracens had a kickable penalty. Had they taken it they would have denied Saints a losing bonus point. They didn't even attempt it and kicked the ball out to end the game. Had they kicked it Bristol would be third tonight instead of 4th.
Would Sarries have done that if they were in the top 4?
So much for Saracens assuring us that they would maintain the integrity of the Premiership.
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Tonight Saints are 3rd they should be 4th.
At the end of the game today with the score at 21-27 with the last kick of the game Saracens had a kickable penalty. Had they taken it they would have denied Saints a losing bonus point. They didn't even attempt it and kicked the ball out to end the game. Had they kicked it Bristol would be third tonight instead of 4th.
Would Sarries have done that if they were in the top 4?
So much for Saracens assuring us that they would maintain the integrity of the Premiership.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 08:41
I would have thought winning away at Saints in a feisty game would have demonstrated Saracens commitment to the league. They could have played their kids and got humped by 50 points.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 09:29
One change to Bath lineup.
Chudley replaces Cook as replacement 9 - news release from club.
No resin given for change.
PG
Chudley replaces Cook as replacement 9 - news release from club.
No resin given for change.
PG
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 09:32
OK, BG so why only do that partially, in a close league 1 point could decide the title or qualification. It could even affect Bath.
In addition it was a very different Sarries, throwing the ball around, some of it good to watch but they seemed to be experimenting. Their attitude was quite defiant as well.
I'll put up with it but is it right?
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In addition it was a very different Sarries, throwing the ball around, some of it good to watch but they seemed to be experimenting. Their attitude was quite defiant as well.
I'll put up with it but is it right?
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 10:27
Quote:shipwrecked
OK, BG so why only do that partially, in a close league 1 point could decide the title or qualification. It could even affect Bath.
In addition it was a very different Sarries, throwing the ball around, some of it good to watch but they seemed to be experimenting. Their attitude was quite defiant as well.
I'll put up with it but is it right?
Completely agree. Sarries and their misdemeanors have impossibly distorted the league outcome this year. But nothing can be done to neutralise the impact. Any attempt will simply make different winners and losers than doing nothing. Like you say all other clubs just have to accept it but it sure ain't right
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 11:02
Bath Rugby have made one change to the matchday squad the club announced to face Bristol Bears on Friday with Will Chudley coming in for Chris Cook at replacement scrum half.
The club have not revealed yet why the change has been made.
New signing Rhys Webb will start at number nine as was announced when the teams came out.
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The club have not revealed yet why the change has been made.
New signing Rhys Webb will start at number nine as was announced when the teams came out.
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 11:10
Looking forward to this one, weather bright and sunny, is it the same at the Rec?
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 11:43
Quote:shipwrecked
Looking forward to this one, weather bright and sunny, is it the same at the Rec?
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 12:01
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Very excited about this one - can’t wait.
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 12:10
Quote:BathMatt53
‘John Kettlety is a weather man, and so is Clarkey3K’
Very excited about this one - can’t wait.
Me too, thank goodness Radradra isn't playing....... oops sorry Matt!
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 15:33
Quote:shipwrecked
OK, BG so why only do that partially, in a close league 1 point could decide the title or qualification. It could even affect Bath.
In addition it was a very different Sarries, throwing the ball around, some of it good to watch but they seemed to be experimenting. Their attitude was quite defiant as well.
I'll put up with it but is it right?
Oh for goodness sake, only Sarries know why they declined the final kick but I suspect it had nothing to do with love for Saints or even in offending you. Maybe their kicker was damaged, maybe they feared missing the kick and having Saints run it back.
The PRL screwed over this season when they relegated Sarries mid season. They could have given the 35 point penalty and given another one for next season but they didn’t. I’m just pleased that Sarries haven’t completely given up.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 15:44
HT
6 v 12
6 v 12
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 15:48
Bath need to keep their heads second half and play structured rugby second half. If we try and compete at Harlem globetrotters style rugby we’ll lose this. Bristol’s set piece is poor and their discipline is poor. Keep it tight, kick for the corners and grind out the win.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 15:49
Bris have looked far more dangerous than us. Yet again we get in good positions and then cough up the ball. Scrumming in front of the posts for over 3 mins in the yellow card period then giving away a pen is just criminal.
A couple of very good breaks though. Webb is always a threat and wants to run, haven't seen one box kick yet (i think)
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A couple of very good breaks though. Webb is always a threat and wants to run, haven't seen one box kick yet (i think)
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 15:56
Not confident at all. Bristol defence in fairness is pretty impressive and their ability to move the ball wide and then back inside does seem to expose our line
Can't see us winning by just keeping it tight and we sure do need to score next
But golly doesn't Webb look good. If only we had someone like that for next season
Can't see us winning by just keeping it tight and we sure do need to score next
But golly doesn't Webb look good. If only we had someone like that for next season
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:01
Yes, agree with that Gaz, Webb worries the opposition. As you say next score pretty vital, but Britol's pack doesn't look on top of it in line out or scrum, I suspect/hope they will tire.
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:01
6 or 7 times Bristol offside in the red zone, seems a theme.
First Bristol try looked forward but no good angle on replay shown. Second try was very, very good.
Big second half needed to turn this around, and we've not overturned a half time deficit yet this season.....
First Bristol try looked forward but no good angle on replay shown. Second try was very, very good.
Big second half needed to turn this around, and we've not overturned a half time deficit yet this season.....
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Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:14
Keep it simple Bath. That last line out move was ridiculous given what had gone before.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:29
Won't be winning this with Bris 3rd try. 19-6 with 17mins left. Poor mistake trying to off load letting them have easy, easy yards
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:30
Bristol offside permanently in midfield, causes winning try.
Hooker steps across to his side at every line which is illegal.
We've had enough territory and possession to have won this but unable to convert any half chances, coupled with cynical defence in the red zone by Bristol.
Hooker steps across to his side at every line which is illegal.
We've had enough territory and possession to have won this but unable to convert any half chances, coupled with cynical defence in the red zone by Bristol.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:30
FFS Bath. 6 19 down against the run of play. Bristol off side at pretty much every single breakdown but The ref not interested.
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Posted by: Ian E (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:30
Bristol constantly offside and getting away with it that last try was from Bristol offside
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:37
Chiclet score under the posts. 6 point game again. Cmon Bath !!!!
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Posted by: ken_jnr (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:43
Freddie Burns special.
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:44
And that's why Freddie isn't the regular 10
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:49
So many over the shoulder tackles missed by Tempest in those final 7 minutes.
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Posted by: ken_jnr (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:51
Only watched the second half. Wish I hadn’t bothered.
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Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:53
Bath lose 19 13. Very impressive Bristol defence but once again no real attacking structure from Bath. Once again Burns demonstrates zero empathy for the game when kicking the ball away when Bath attacking in the Bristol 22 with 5 mins to go. He’s had his time here and needs to move on. Well played Bris, defended well and took their chances.
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Posted by: Brisman (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:53
Quote:Thanks for the 9 points this season lads, I’m off to celebrate with a couple of prawn sandwich’s and a glass of Pinot!BathMatt53
The Bristol prawn sandwich brigade who are all teary about their players having to get muddy at the Rec need to take a look at the Kingsholm pitch - need a snorkel for that.
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:54
Not quite sure how Bristol won that. Allowed to be offside permanently, both in midfield and constantly on their line. Hooker always stepping across to his side of the line. Lots of seatbelt type tackles ignored. Tempest isn't up to standard.
That said, Bristol tackled their hearts out, Luatua and Piatau were excellent, and they took the 3 opportunities they had, we didn't take the 10-15 we had.
That said, Bristol tackled their hearts out, Luatua and Piatau were excellent, and they took the 3 opportunities they had, we didn't take the 10-15 we had.
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:56
Bris seemingly offside the whole game and making over 200 tackles, but we never looked like scoring. We had a few nice breaks, but on the whole it wasn't very good.
Frustrating game but our possession, possession, cough it up is starting to get old now
Frustrating game but our possession, possession, cough it up is starting to get old now
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Posted by: FourSticks (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 16:57
Well, for everyone moaning about Bath's lack of bonus points, at least we've now doubled our tally this season.
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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 17:04
Quote:Classy post.BrismanQuote:Thanks for the 9 points this season lads, I’m off to celebrate with a couple of prawn sandwich’s and a glass of Pinot!BathMatt53
The Bristol prawn sandwich brigade who are all teary about their players having to get muddy at the Rec need to take a look at the Kingsholm pitch - need a snorkel for that.
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Posted by: ken_jnr (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 17:13
From what I saw, Bristol defended really well but our attack didn’t ask many difficult questions again. We shouldn’t underestimate the Bristol effort but when did Bath put on a show that made it look like they were having quality coaching input from our attack coach?
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Posted by: Brisman (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 17:20
Quote:I thought so!hemingtonQuote:Classy post.BrismanQuote:Thanks for the 9 points this season lads, I’m off to celebrate with a couple of prawn sandwich’s and a glass of Pinot!BathMatt53
The Bristol prawn sandwich brigade who are all teary about their players having to get muddy at the Rec need to take a look at the Kingsholm pitch - need a snorkel for that.
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Posted by: memnoch (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 17:21
IMHO although he is a great player I think it was a mistake to play Rhys Webb today.
Twice you had overlaps and he went the wrong way.
Our line out was awful but he failed to take a few balls cleanly on yours.
You looked better with Chudley.
Our defence was superb, not sure we were offside quite as often as some of you thought, first half I believe you guys gave away more pens.
Good luck for the rest of the season, a Bristol Bath final would be awesome.
Twice you had overlaps and he went the wrong way.
Our line out was awful but he failed to take a few balls cleanly on yours.
You looked better with Chudley.
Our defence was superb, not sure we were offside quite as often as some of you thought, first half I believe you guys gave away more pens.
Good luck for the rest of the season, a Bristol Bath final would be awesome.
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Date: 01/03/2020 17:21
GG lads and lasses
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 17:42
We lost primarily because of poor decisions by Flouw as Captain to kick for the corner rather than take 3pts and start again in both halves. Bris were 3rd and going well, we were 5th and on the up so today was a day for pragmatism in front of the posts. Webb looked good for most of the match and will benefit us in the short term. Well played Bris, sad to lose our home record today but it was entirely self inflicted imho. Stooke my Bath MOTM this week, outstanding once again, Piutau for Bris, I can now see why he is paid so well...
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 17:57
Bristol deserves winners IMO, Bath had the chances and didn’t take them. Bristol much more clinical and made better decisions.
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Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 17:59
Out muscled, out thought, out played. If Bristol were offside so often, or didn't throw in straight, why the hell didn't we do the same. Play the referee. By the way, whoever gave away the 10 yard penalty for back chat should be severely reprimanded and fined.
Until we can get a driving maul set up properly, and when it stops, start quickly without reconstructing the Eifel Tower, forget them. We were toothless up front and in the backs. By the way as said before infinitum, if we had taken the penalty points on offer and not tried to do a driving maul off the line outs, plus the scrum penalty in front of the posts, we could have won. However, we didn't deserve to win as we did not show the wit to do so.
Must say Tempest was atrocious as usual it is not an excuse. Why didn't we play him like Bristol did? The number of times they got men on our side of the mauls was incredible. Even allowing for the poor reffing, we were b awful and never at the races. In the last 10 minutes, it was obvious who was the fitter team too, we were out on our feet and Bristol were still running and tackling.
Great game by Stooke as usual and my how I wish we forget about signing a 10, and throw as much money as it takes to keep Webb. Real class. Mind you, he must have wondered what sort of team he has joined, even if temporarily.
If we don't front up more, like next week, Exeter's scoreboard will be in meltdown racking up the numbers.
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Until we can get a driving maul set up properly, and when it stops, start quickly without reconstructing the Eifel Tower, forget them. We were toothless up front and in the backs. By the way as said before infinitum, if we had taken the penalty points on offer and not tried to do a driving maul off the line outs, plus the scrum penalty in front of the posts, we could have won. However, we didn't deserve to win as we did not show the wit to do so.
Must say Tempest was atrocious as usual it is not an excuse. Why didn't we play him like Bristol did? The number of times they got men on our side of the mauls was incredible. Even allowing for the poor reffing, we were b awful and never at the races. In the last 10 minutes, it was obvious who was the fitter team too, we were out on our feet and Bristol were still running and tackling.
Great game by Stooke as usual and my how I wish we forget about signing a 10, and throw as much money as it takes to keep Webb. Real class. Mind you, he must have wondered what sort of team he has joined, even if temporarily.
If we don't front up more, like next week, Exeter's scoreboard will be in meltdown racking up the numbers.
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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 18:11
Think you will find it was Stooke who gave away the 10 metres for back chat!
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Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 18:21
It was your favourite Stooke who coughed up the 10 bob.
Chuff all in attack as per usual, bizarre decisions to not take the three twice only to give away penalties cost us. We had no penetration until the last two minutes of the game. I’m assuming Dempsey’s salary doesn’t count towards the cap this season as we’ve not used him 12 games in?
Yes, I know full well he’s a coach.
Chuff all in attack as per usual, bizarre decisions to not take the three twice only to give away penalties cost us. We had no penetration until the last two minutes of the game. I’m assuming Dempsey’s salary doesn’t count towards the cap this season as we’ve not used him 12 games in?
Yes, I know full well he’s a coach.
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 18:21
Hoops says before the game we are title contenders, anyone go along with that ! ........sadly not me !
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Adopted Player 2023/24 Tom Carr-Smith
Adopted Player 2024/25 Max Ojomoh
"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS
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Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies
Adopted Player 2020/21 Cam Redpath
Adopted Player 2021/22 Darren Atkins
Adopted Player 2022/23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
Adopted Player 2023/24 Tom Carr-Smith
Adopted Player 2024/25 Max Ojomoh
"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 18:23
Title contenders for least return on investment maybe.
Yes, I’m bitter.
Yes, I’m bitter.
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 18:29
Dempsey’s been doing the gardening at Farleigh !
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Adopted Player 2021/22 Darren Atkins
Adopted Player 2022/23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
Adopted Player 2023/24 Tom Carr-Smith
Adopted Player 2024/25 Max Ojomoh
"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS
Adopted Player 2018/19 Ross Batty
Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies
Adopted Player 2020/21 Cam Redpath
Adopted Player 2021/22 Darren Atkins
Adopted Player 2022/23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
Adopted Player 2023/24 Tom Carr-Smith
Adopted Player 2024/25 Max Ojomoh
"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 18:35
Quote:Clarkey3k
We lost primarily because of poor decisions by Flouw as Captain to kick for the corner rather than take 3pts and start again in both halves
This. We spent 3 mins scrummaging after the yellow card only to give away a pen under their posts. Kick the 3 and start again Vs 14 men.
Then the over complicated line out which ended up with us touch was shocking. The line out was fairly good, so do what we had been and go from there.
Poor day at the office
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Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 18:40
Kick. The. Points.
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Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 19:05
As has been noted, Bristol were so much sharper and incisive with half the possession Bath had. The repeated attempts to catch and drive... brainless given we never looked like scoring from any of them. Kick the 3 or scrum- I wanted the latter especially when they were down to 14. Stooke's back chat-it was only a free kick so not much harm done! Last observation--I know TF is coming back from a long break (no tasteless pun intended) but right now Zac offers so much more IMHO.
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Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 19:06
I think you will find that series of scrums was more like 8-9 minutes.
Rarely did we break their line and, when we did., it was in isolation. The one time Priestland did break through he had Chuddes in support who scored with ease. Where were the rest of the team?
I think you will find Obano made more yards with ball on hand than most of our backs. Why?
Their first try was woeful Bath marking and non existent tackling.
What does Dempsey do all day? Or is he the gardiner at Farleigh Towers as suggested?
The Bath players should know how much they are abusing the loyalty of their fans. I met a guy before the game who has flown in from Luxembourg, via Amsterdam, just for this game and I know of another guy who missed his return flight to Brussels where he works tonight, and will have to fly out at 6.30 tomorrow morning. We expect much more than there is on offer at present, and expect guys to be able to pass and not be physically intimidated by a Bristol side who won the contacts with ease, committing no more than 2 or 3 at the most to rucks and mauls. This was meant to be a local Derby with all its history and traditional warfare and bragging rights. Unfortunately this seems to have little motivational effect on our present group of players.
Rant over. I am angry that we have lost at home and Bristol have done the double over us for he first time in donkey's years.
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
Rarely did we break their line and, when we did., it was in isolation. The one time Priestland did break through he had Chuddes in support who scored with ease. Where were the rest of the team?
I think you will find Obano made more yards with ball on hand than most of our backs. Why?
Their first try was woeful Bath marking and non existent tackling.
What does Dempsey do all day? Or is he the gardiner at Farleigh Towers as suggested?
The Bath players should know how much they are abusing the loyalty of their fans. I met a guy before the game who has flown in from Luxembourg, via Amsterdam, just for this game and I know of another guy who missed his return flight to Brussels where he works tonight, and will have to fly out at 6.30 tomorrow morning. We expect much more than there is on offer at present, and expect guys to be able to pass and not be physically intimidated by a Bristol side who won the contacts with ease, committing no more than 2 or 3 at the most to rucks and mauls. This was meant to be a local Derby with all its history and traditional warfare and bragging rights. Unfortunately this seems to have little motivational effect on our present group of players.
Rant over. I am angry that we have lost at home and Bristol have done the double over us for he first time in donkey's years.
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
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Posted by: sirtidychris (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 19:12
Less than 7 point loss against a good team isn't the end if the world especially with underhill Watson Joseph ewels Mercer big Joe etc missing. Main difference for me was the backline which looked liked it hadnt gelled as well as Bristol, given the constant changing if personell it's not a surprise really. If we can actually get a 9-15 playing regularly together then more chance it will click.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 19:13
Not worth getting angry about BoB - disappointed and as confused as the rest of us sure, but it’s only a game of rugby.
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Posted by: westglos (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 19:24
Quote:BathMatt53
The Bristol prawn sandwich brigade who are all teary about their players having to get muddy at the Rec need to take a look at the Kingsholm pitch - need a snorkel for that.
I think you'll find that the Kingsholm pitch has been a far better surface than the Rec this season, as it's a hybrid, installed before the start of the 18/19 deason.
Friday night's game was probably a marginal call as the pitch had been covered with a inflated tent in the run-up, and we've had well publicised biblical proportions of rain hereabouts.
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 19:34
Sure thing BathMatt but it really does hurt to lose at home to Briz when we should have won with all that possession
Though before end of season if I was offered 5th place and one point off 4th and only 5 points off 2nd I would happily have taken it
Rhys Webb will only get better for us and with the likes of Watson, Underhill and JJ to return I'm still quietly confident of beating Saints to 4th place. I was though before the game toying with the idea of buying a couple of final tickets but today has thankfully erased that silly thought
Though before end of season if I was offered 5th place and one point off 4th and only 5 points off 2nd I would happily have taken it
Rhys Webb will only get better for us and with the likes of Watson, Underhill and JJ to return I'm still quietly confident of beating Saints to 4th place. I was though before the game toying with the idea of buying a couple of final tickets but today has thankfully erased that silly thought
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 19:35
A frustrating game. We did a lot right and were on top up front, but we made bad decisions in the red zone and refused to gamble a touch and go for the try scoring play. I get it - patience, ‘do an exeter’, grind them down... but just for once give it to Roko one on one 5m out please!
Must say, their All Blacks were a class apart and likely won it for them. Although Stooke was my MotM. Mighty shift from first minute to last.
I’m not that down. With the players we have to come back, we should get better as the season progresses and the ground firms. Webb looked good but needs time to gel with line out, 8 and 10, obviously.
I also think that another (better?) ref would have given us more of a chance by speeding up the breakdown for both sides. Considering our possession, Tempest’s indifference to bodies on the wrong side slowed us all day. Same for when they had the ball. It almost ruined the spectacle, as attack was subdued by defence, and whilst I’m not sure we’d have scored more tries with quicker ball, I’d have liked to have seen Webb given clean ball.
Fair play to Bristol. They’re potentially the only team in the league who could upset Exeter on a sunny day at HQ. So we lost to a good side. Still 5th, mind.
Must say, their All Blacks were a class apart and likely won it for them. Although Stooke was my MotM. Mighty shift from first minute to last.
I’m not that down. With the players we have to come back, we should get better as the season progresses and the ground firms. Webb looked good but needs time to gel with line out, 8 and 10, obviously.
I also think that another (better?) ref would have given us more of a chance by speeding up the breakdown for both sides. Considering our possession, Tempest’s indifference to bodies on the wrong side slowed us all day. Same for when they had the ball. It almost ruined the spectacle, as attack was subdued by defence, and whilst I’m not sure we’d have scored more tries with quicker ball, I’d have liked to have seen Webb given clean ball.
Fair play to Bristol. They’re potentially the only team in the league who could upset Exeter on a sunny day at HQ. So we lost to a good side. Still 5th, mind.
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Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 19:54
Outplayed by Bristol and were lucky to get LBP. Referee was dreadful, but he was the same for both sides. Back to reality after a few close wins, am not looking forward to Exeter unless we can improve considerably in all areas. Very disappointing, difficult to find many positives from that performance.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 20:44
Oh my, that was a painful watch. I wonder if Rhys Webb made it a condition of signing that he start that game, because you’d be hard pushed to think of another reason for that decision. Faletau is rusty as hell. Roko is still brilliant, but not the player he was. McNally desperately needs a rest. Priestland was the usual curate’s egg. Fred’s first pass was the first one all day to put a player (Wright) on to a soft shoulder rather than the brick walls that RP favours, but then Freddie made a horrible decision to chip into the Premiership’s smallest dead-ball area - the reason he might be great, and the reason he doesn’t get picked all in 2 plays. Then again Priestland’s play by numbers cross-kick with penalty advantage was pitiful, and contrasted badly with Sheedy’s heads-up spontaneity for their second. I just can’t imagine another Premiership 10 having so little interest in the ball when we were coshing them stupid before half time. It’s not like Bristol we’re actually that great. But boy did we seem determined to get Piutau into the game.
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Posted by: mat1 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 20:50
Try getting a ref link radio I have for years thought tempest was awful but actually listening to him hes really up there if players ignore him that's Downton them he had a great game
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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 20:53
If only people would pay a bit more attention to their predictive text!
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 20:55
Quote:BathMatt53
Not worth getting angry about BoB - disappointed and as confused as the rest of us sure, but it’s only a game of rugby.
+1
Dead season now thanks to Sarries so not worth getting too emotional about, although I do hate losing at anything.
Positives: we had a lot of possession.
Negatives: everything else so take your pick
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Posted by: sid the seagull (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 21:28
Can anyone explain why Rhys’s tap and go early in the first half which would have ended in a walk in for Rokoduguni was called back by the dullard with the whistle so that he could then award us a penalty?
SQUAWK
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Posted by: Bs7 Bears (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 21:30
Quote:Beergoggles
Bath need to keep their heads second half and play structured rugby second half. If we try and compete at Harlem globetrotters style rugby we’ll lose this. Bristol’s set piece is poor and their discipline is poor. Keep it tight, kick for the corners and grind out the win.
That aged well.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 21:33
Quote:sid the seagull
Can anyone explain why Rhys’s tap and go early in the first half which would have ended in a walk in for Rokoduguni was called back by the dullard with the whistle so that he could then award us a penalty?
SQUAWK
Looked to me like Webb didn’t take the tap from the right place?
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 21:34
He ran off behind the ref’s back. Was never going to be allowed. Personally, I think refs should never, ever stop quick taps. After all, they can always check with TMO after the event.
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 21:38
Quote:sid the seagull
Can anyone explain why Rhys’s tap and go early in the first half which would have ended in a walk in for Rokoduguni was called back by the dullard with the whistle so that he could then award us a penalty?
SQUAWK
Because he took the tap from the wrong spot, I believe was the explanation from Tempest
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Posted by: Danchinho (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 22:04
Thought we played a lot better than recently. Priestland was defo playing at a level higher than he does normally, he was constantly committing defenders.
We just seem to be particularly bad at manipulating the opposite back line into giving space on the edge, our wingers always have to do it on their own, they're so rarely played into space by a ball they can run onto.
Still, some of our performances have been turgid even in victory and at least we showed some enterprise today. Weren't as good as Bristol but Bristol have the air of a better run club generally, they look to be moving in the right direction and have been longer than Bath of late. Hopefully we can catch up. Lam is clearly very good though. And experienced.
I'd say that was a good defeat if such a thing can be said. At least we had a go.
Observation, I can't see any evidence of Dempsey having any influence at all. Either he's no good or he's not allowed to put what he knows best into play for other reasons.
I probably don't know what i'm talking about.
We just seem to be particularly bad at manipulating the opposite back line into giving space on the edge, our wingers always have to do it on their own, they're so rarely played into space by a ball they can run onto.
Still, some of our performances have been turgid even in victory and at least we showed some enterprise today. Weren't as good as Bristol but Bristol have the air of a better run club generally, they look to be moving in the right direction and have been longer than Bath of late. Hopefully we can catch up. Lam is clearly very good though. And experienced.
I'd say that was a good defeat if such a thing can be said. At least we had a go.
Observation, I can't see any evidence of Dempsey having any influence at all. Either he's no good or he's not allowed to put what he knows best into play for other reasons.
I probably don't know what i'm talking about.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 22:18
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Posted by: bathstigg (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 22:41
I think we missed the energy Zach Mercer injects into our attack but he can't play every game. The extra 10 metres given away for back chat was a free kick and not a penalty. A few players hobbled off so will be interesting to see if Redpath is debuted next week. The table is still tight so we could still make the playoffs if we cut out the silly errors.
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 22:49
I also consider that scoring to be over generous. It is true that Roko did have a couple of runs but both petered out disappointingly. He seems a shadow of his former self. Both Faletau & Louw were pretty average. Stooke played well but after an excellent attacking run late on he failed to spot the support runner & it came to nothing? I thought that overall it was a pretty poor performance. Apart from that prolonged spell in the first half when it was criminal not to score I can’t remember us threatening their line. By contrast they scored 3 tries from open play & could have had another. Our attacking play was so disappointing after that purple patch against Quins.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2020 23:18
Someone needs to tell our lineout jumpers that throwing the ball vaguely in the direction of the guy with a beard wearing a 9 on his back isn't the best way to win a game. Also bounce passes to your 9 just don't work.
On that showing Mercer should be first pick every time, I hope Faletau plays like that next week.
Piatau won that game for them. Close your ears now Matt, they are going to be lethal when Radradra joins them next year!
Our backs need to calm down when out wide rather than getting turned over or throwing the ball away. We should have won.
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On that showing Mercer should be first pick every time, I hope Faletau plays like that next week.
Piatau won that game for them. Close your ears now Matt, they are going to be lethal when Radradra joins them next year!
Our backs need to calm down when out wide rather than getting turned over or throwing the ball away. We should have won.
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 00:33
Quote:warrenball
Outplayed by Bristol and were lucky to get LBP. Referee was dreadful, but he was the same for both sides. Back to reality after a few close wins, am not looking forward to Exeter unless we can improve considerably in all areas. Very disappointing, difficult to find many positives from that performance.
I agree. It is amazing to think that if freddie hadn’t messed up his chip when we were looking like scoring we could have won the game despite being outplayed fairly comprehensively for most of the match. The only compensating factor is that Bristol stretched the rules to the limit & beyond to stop us. One day we might beat them but we said that about Exeter.
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 00:42
Quote:mat1
Try getting a ref link radio I have for years thought tempest was awful but actually listening to him hes really up there if players ignore him that's Downton them he had a great game
Can you edit your post & add punctuation mat 1 because I can’t tell whether you are praising the ref or criticising him?
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 01:40
We had the possession, we had the field position and we didn't score. That seems to me to be a theme for the season so far. So, kick the penalties, take drop goals once the oppo defensive line is set and then receive the kick off and go again. We are not Exeter and there's no point pretending we are. But drop goals count 3 every time and we don't get many try bonus points anyway.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 07:33
Still smarting from that defeat, but if nothing else I really enjoyed watching Luatua and Piutia play, both magnificent players.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 07:58
Interesting stats on the game
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If you just looked at those and not the game / score you would never imagine that Bath would have lost that. 70:30 territory and possession, same turnovers, similar defenders beaten, Bath 100 more metres run.
Just goes to show the importance of being smart enough to unpick defences or counter attack quickly.
Mike Williams and TF didn’t have great stats in defence, particularly missed tackles and conceded turnovers.
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If you just looked at those and not the game / score you would never imagine that Bath would have lost that. 70:30 territory and possession, same turnovers, similar defenders beaten, Bath 100 more metres run.
Just goes to show the importance of being smart enough to unpick defences or counter attack quickly.
Mike Williams and TF didn’t have great stats in defence, particularly missed tackles and conceded turnovers.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 08:05
I don’t know about Luatua but Piutau is a phenomenen, unlike anything we have produced in these islands, almost impossible to stop with a great rugby brain.
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 08:15
It’s amazing how quickly things change. Lose a home game & then have to face Exeter a week after they have lost at home makes dropping out of the top 6 a likelihood.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 08:23
Interesting stats as you say Matt Piatau and Morahan stand out in attack by a long way. As you say Faletau does seem to be off form and perhaps being selected on reputation. He was more active around the fringes but then was too easily neutralised, losing the ball 5 yards from the line after a long period of pressure was a huge disappointment.
We really have to adopt the Johnny Wilkinson approach of every time we get into their 22 coming away with at least some points.
Two games in a row we have repeatedly failed to get over the line from 5 yards out. Needs looking at.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
We really have to adopt the Johnny Wilkinson approach of every time we get into their 22 coming away with at least some points.
Two games in a row we have repeatedly failed to get over the line from 5 yards out. Needs looking at.
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 08:27
Quote:mat1
Try getting a ref link radio I have for years thought tempest was awful but actually listening to him hes really up there if players ignore him that's Downton them he had a great game
I listened on RefLink and yes- at times he had rapport with the players. However, not once did I hear him explain why he was so lax on crooked line out throws or head/neck tackles or offside. I did hear him call "offside lines please" repeatedly fort several minutes before actually penalising the offside in our first half siege of their line.
I do not agree that by listening to RefLink you could conclude he had a great game!
PG
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Posted by: Dan Wiley (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 08:35
What was the stat about the number of games briz have gone without a clean sheet (no tries)? 70?
The depressing thing for me was how much we had the ball compared to what we did with it. If say we could have had it 80 min and still not scored, except we did, but even that is rather unimpressive given the above.
The depressing thing for me was how much we had the ball compared to what we did with it. If say we could have had it 80 min and still not scored, except we did, but even that is rather unimpressive given the above.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 08:40
It seems to me that it is impossible for referees to police offside at the line-out for example, he has to look at the throw and the jumpers so by definition has his back to the three-quarters. Nowadays there are enough eyes on the game to find a solution surely.
I personally don't like the chat to the refs from other players nor the use of first names. Too familiar to be objective.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
I personally don't like the chat to the refs from other players nor the use of first names. Too familiar to be objective.
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 08:47
It's more reffing the back feet at the breakdown at the offside line, the number of Bristol players with their feet on or over the line when we were hammering away in their 22. That's an easy line to officiate with 2 TJs.
Then why the Bristol hooker wasn't called to account for taking 2 steps to their side before throwing in, not to mention a few badly ignored crooked throws, is frustrating.
The coaches should be pleased we dominated territory & possession, but furious that we didn't convert all that into scores. That has to be a failing of coaching and game management by players.
Then why the Bristol hooker wasn't called to account for taking 2 steps to their side before throwing in, not to mention a few badly ignored crooked throws, is frustrating.
The coaches should be pleased we dominated territory & possession, but furious that we didn't convert all that into scores. That has to be a failing of coaching and game management by players.
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Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 08:58
I am not sure if Roko has ever really come back from his injury. That extra spring and gas does not seem to be there at the moment. He gives it his all but needs to recover his form.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 09:04
Quote:cb2
I am not sure if Roko has ever really come back from his injury. That extra spring and gas does not seem to be there at the moment. He gives it his all but needs to recover his form.
Trouble is, it doesn't feel like a 'form' issue. He's an in-form player occupying a body that's suddenly aged by a few years.
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 09:08
I went to the Rec really hopeful of a win on what was a glorious day, Oh well. What I felt was this game absolutely sums us up as a team at the moment.
We have a good set of forwards who deliver mountainous amounts of possession and territory but we are absolutely toothless.
What became apparent to me when the announcement of Rhys Webb joining and going straight into the starting lineup was a positive one in that Hoops and the management clearly do recognise we are desperately lacking in the attack department and until this is rectified we are seriously not going to be challenging anything. We really do have an issue at the 9,10,12 in relation to creation, distribution and vision.
Bristol proved how easy it was to contain us with a good defence and our current attack and then cut us apart with their counter attacking play. I do not know the stats throughout the season but I bet we are bottom of the table when it comes to points scored when opposition are down to 14 - last season it was an average of 7 points scored whilst an opposition had someone in the sin bin...
We just look clueless in attack and even when faced with 14 on the field at present we do not appear to have the ability, aptitude, hunger or vision to take advantage....
Still did not understand the initial decision of preferring Cook to Chudley and can only assume he was suffering from a virus or under the weather but did think he looked sharp and worked better with the forwards when he came on.
The positive is that we doubled our bonus point tally for the season and Hoops if not already aware now is that he has a hell of a lot of work to do....We are at best a mid table side - a bit like the Leicester of old - big monstrous pack and a 10 that kicks his goal but the game has moved on and it appears we have gone back at the moment.
Before being accused of being a doom monger or similar there are lots of positives this season but this game really highlighted our negatives and how easy we are to contain if your defence is watertight, we can rectify this and clearly we have some class backline players but it wont be easy I would add it is very unfair to believe Demps is solely responsible but he clearly needs help.
We have a good set of forwards who deliver mountainous amounts of possession and territory but we are absolutely toothless.
What became apparent to me when the announcement of Rhys Webb joining and going straight into the starting lineup was a positive one in that Hoops and the management clearly do recognise we are desperately lacking in the attack department and until this is rectified we are seriously not going to be challenging anything. We really do have an issue at the 9,10,12 in relation to creation, distribution and vision.
Bristol proved how easy it was to contain us with a good defence and our current attack and then cut us apart with their counter attacking play. I do not know the stats throughout the season but I bet we are bottom of the table when it comes to points scored when opposition are down to 14 - last season it was an average of 7 points scored whilst an opposition had someone in the sin bin...
We just look clueless in attack and even when faced with 14 on the field at present we do not appear to have the ability, aptitude, hunger or vision to take advantage....
Still did not understand the initial decision of preferring Cook to Chudley and can only assume he was suffering from a virus or under the weather but did think he looked sharp and worked better with the forwards when he came on.
The positive is that we doubled our bonus point tally for the season and Hoops if not already aware now is that he has a hell of a lot of work to do....We are at best a mid table side - a bit like the Leicester of old - big monstrous pack and a 10 that kicks his goal but the game has moved on and it appears we have gone back at the moment.
Before being accused of being a doom monger or similar there are lots of positives this season but this game really highlighted our negatives and how easy we are to contain if your defence is watertight, we can rectify this and clearly we have some class backline players but it wont be easy I would add it is very unfair to believe Demps is solely responsible but he clearly needs help.
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 09:26
Poor Roko - like all wingers - is running on the most sodden parts of the Rec.
At one point yesterday he got the ball in space in front of the West Stand and I was reminded of the Tigers semi in the sun. That day he skinned Goneva, chipped the full back and Eastmond scored. Yesterday he went up the line but looked like he was treading water... because he was. Ugo noted that a chip ahead might've led to a try for Webb.
I know, I know, it's the same pitch for all 30 players and it's not an excuse for all our ills, but runners like Roko and Homer just don't look sure of their footing and so we're rarely seeing their skills. Bring on Spring!
At one point yesterday he got the ball in space in front of the West Stand and I was reminded of the Tigers semi in the sun. That day he skinned Goneva, chipped the full back and Eastmond scored. Yesterday he went up the line but looked like he was treading water... because he was. Ugo noted that a chip ahead might've led to a try for Webb.
I know, I know, it's the same pitch for all 30 players and it's not an excuse for all our ills, but runners like Roko and Homer just don't look sure of their footing and so we're rarely seeing their skills. Bring on Spring!
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 10:26
Roko seems to be more a confidence issue than a footing one to me. He isn’t running and stepping people like he used to either home or away - many more chips forward or cutting back into the pack.
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 10:31
Don't you think the two are in some way linked, Matt?
Like a kicker who can't trust his standing foot, a winger who can't trust his stepping foot will be limited and lacking in confidence.
Like a kicker who can't trust his standing foot, a winger who can't trust his stepping foot will be limited and lacking in confidence.
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Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 10:32
Is he playing to orders? Seasons past, once put into space like he was on the wing yesterday , he would go hell for leather for the line and carry defenders over it with him. Now, probably lost a little speed, his confidence seems shot to pieces. It is certainly a difficult one to resolve but one that needs addressing smartish.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 10:57
Quote:dr.bath1865
Don't you think the two are in some way linked, Matt?
Like a kicker who can't trust his standing foot, a winger who can't trust his stepping foot will be limited and lacking in confidence.
Its seems to be on all pitches to me - grass, desso and plastic.
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Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 11:14
I remember seeing Offiah at the Rec, when he was well past his best. Not a nice sight. Some players, like Ieuan, Umaga or Campo, can adapt their game to take in a loss of gas but others struggle. George North springs to mind, even at his young age.
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Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 11:14
I remember seeing Offiah at the Rec, when he was well past his best. Not a nice sight. Some players, like Ieuan, Umaga or Campo, can adapt their game to take in a loss of gas but others struggle. George North springs to mind, even at his young age.
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Posted by: bardofavon (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 12:19
A@#$%&performance. The usual inability to turn possession into points.
Zac worth more than Toby every time. Roko is on the wane, though strangely, given his injury was shoulder related, he has come back better in defence though has lost speed and footwork.
Zac worth more than Toby every time. Roko is on the wane, though strangely, given his injury was shoulder related, he has come back better in defence though has lost speed and footwork.
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 12:43
To be fair to Roko, before we all write him off, he made 97m this weekend from his 12 carries, 2nd only to Piutau's 137 from 16. So they both averaged just over 8m per carry.
As an aside, the moment I keep flashing back to in the match was when they were down to 14 and we had that series of 5m scrums on their line. We worked a move to the right and Webb put Matevasi short into contact when, as shown on BT, a ball out the back to Priestland would have given Homer or Roko a walk in. Small margins, we might still have lost, Webb is still learning to play in BB&W... but it felt like a big miss at the time and an even bigger miss now I've seen it on the TV. Ah well.
As an aside, the moment I keep flashing back to in the match was when they were down to 14 and we had that series of 5m scrums on their line. We worked a move to the right and Webb put Matevasi short into contact when, as shown on BT, a ball out the back to Priestland would have given Homer or Roko a walk in. Small margins, we might still have lost, Webb is still learning to play in BB&W... but it felt like a big miss at the time and an even bigger miss now I've seen it on the TV. Ah well.
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Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 13:15
I did not watch the game on television, so it may have been covered there but was there a pull given to Willison when he was trying to go through to back up Wright's break. Didn't see any obvious appeals from the Bath players but I am sure I saw him held back?
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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 13:19
We lost to a good side - no shame in that and with everything so close there will be many more of these types of games. Just like in the AI teams like Sale & Bristol , with none or very few International call ups do/did well. Let's see what full squads and drier pitches can bring.
Having said that I thought:
Why didn't we take 3 points when we had the opportunities?
Why did we keep kicking the ball back to their back 3 when they were so good and our lineouts were as good if not better than theirs. Kick it out and challenge at the lineout.
Roko had some great runs and looked a bit like his old self unfortunately each one died a death - could be confidence, could be mud but I would say he is getting better week by week
Ref was playing a long time before calling a turnover. Several times Flo had jackled the ball fairly and was never given the penalty.
A better game than the first one. We could have won that with a bit more grunt/thought/luck/decisions going our way
Having said that I thought:
Why didn't we take 3 points when we had the opportunities?
Why did we keep kicking the ball back to their back 3 when they were so good and our lineouts were as good if not better than theirs. Kick it out and challenge at the lineout.
Roko had some great runs and looked a bit like his old self unfortunately each one died a death - could be confidence, could be mud but I would say he is getting better week by week
Ref was playing a long time before calling a turnover. Several times Flo had jackled the ball fairly and was never given the penalty.
A better game than the first one. We could have won that with a bit more grunt/thought/luck/decisions going our way
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 13:38
+1 Hemington
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Posted by: ShortyinBurnham (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 15:34
Also why did we not get a penalty try when our maul was heading to the try line, and the only reason it stopped was because it was pulled down? We were given another penalty, and I think that was when the yellow card was given.
Thought that was the exact scenario when penalty tries are supposed to be awarded, or have I got that wrong?
Thought that was the exact scenario when penalty tries are supposed to be awarded, or have I got that wrong?
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 16:47
Lots of 'whys' but given that Bath didn't score when they were so dominant and had such good field position so many times I don't think they really deserved a different result. The worry for Bris in the playoffs is that if Exeter has 70% possession and territory against them they won't be so profligate.
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Posted by: Hercules Spoons (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 17:17
Quote:Dorset Boy
It's more reffing the back feet at the breakdown at the offside line, the number of Bristol players with their feet on or over the line when we were hammering away in their 22. That's an easy line to officiate with 2 TJs.
Then why the Bristol hooker wasn't called to account for taking 2 steps to their side before throwing in, not to mention a few badly ignored crooked throws, is frustrating.
The coaches should be pleased we dominated territory & possession, but furious that we didn't convert all that into scores. That has to be a failing of coaching and game management by players.
Regarding the hooker moving to the side: why didn’t the referee call Bath to account for closing the gap? That’s why he was doing it.
Some of you on this thread are somewhat unfair on your coaches and players, it’s not as if you were thumped, you gained aLBP and you have some excellent players to come back from International duty and injury
I think you should do something about your playing surface if you want to optimise the likes of Joseph and Watson though
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 17:37
Quote:Hercules Spoons
I think you should do something about your playing surface if you want to optimise the likes of Joseph and Watson though
What can they do? They can't lay plastic or hybrid because the Rec is used for other things over the summer. Laying more grass would be a waste of time because its just the rain and the water table.
The only thing they can do (and are doing) is trying to get the new stadium in place ASAP.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 17:39
I blame the management, it's entirely their fault that it's done nothing but rain all winter... 
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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 17:41
I blame SIM
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 17:59
Quote:hemington
Why didn't we take 3 points when we had the opportunities?
More to the point, why didn't we take 7 points when we had the opportunities.
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 19:17
Quote:OptimistQuote:hemington
Why didn't we take 3 points when we had the opportunities?
More to the point, why didn't we take 7 points when we had the opportunities.
Yes, why when we have this much vaunted all consuming game built around our pack ...........
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 20:16
WRT the pitch:
Hasn't it been reported that the drainage system they put in a few years back has been damaged, but they intend relaying the pitch this summer.
Obviously there's nothing that can be done this season.
Hasn't it been reported that the drainage system they put in a few years back has been damaged, but they intend relaying the pitch this summer.
Obviously there's nothing that can be done this season.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 20:49
Yes I remember them saying something like that DB but if next winter is the same as this I can’t see it making much difference? Grass and 16 big men resetting 10 mins of scrums = mud.
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Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 21:15
My recollection was that the underground drainage has silted up (earlier than expected).
The plan is to relay the drainage over the summer.
The current drainage has been in situ for what? 10 years? So relaying it should return the pitch quality to where it was a few years ago (AKA, much better than not has been this year). But ultimately, there's only so much you can do when pitch height, and water table are essentially the same
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The plan is to relay the drainage over the summer.
The current drainage has been in situ for what? 10 years? So relaying it should return the pitch quality to where it was a few years ago (AKA, much better than not has been this year). But ultimately, there's only so much you can do when pitch height, and water table are essentially the same
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 21:29
Quote:Which Tyler
My recollection was that the underground drainage has silted up (earlier than expected).
The plan is to relay the drainage over the summer.
The current drainage has been in situ for what? 10 years? So rekayin git should return the pitch quality to where it was a few years ago (AKA, much better than not has been this year). But ultimately, there's no ly so much you can do when pitch height, and water table are essentially the same
In fact clearing the silt when the water table is super high could be counter productive and lead to mini springs dotted around the pitch. Could be interesting.
The sooner we get the stadium agreed the better.
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Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2020 21:53
I don’t get the criticism of Roko. Thought he and Stooke were head and shoulders the best players for Bath yesterday and, in very sticky conditions, that he was very close to getting his mojo back.
It’s also telling that it felt like playing Falateau and Williams was a step down from playing Mercer and Ellis. We have a very solid platform and a good team spirit, just need to settle on a pattern of play to unlock defences ... which is what I though Dempsey came into do.
It’s also telling that it felt like playing Falateau and Williams was a step down from playing Mercer and Ellis. We have a very solid platform and a good team spirit, just need to settle on a pattern of play to unlock defences ... which is what I though Dempsey came into do.
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Posted by: Rinkadink (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 00:33
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Hercules Spoons
I think you should do something about your playing surface if you want to optimise the likes of Joseph and Watson though
What can they do? They can't lay plastic or hybrid because the Rec is used for other things over the summer.
Say Desso is installed; what would that prevent happening in the summer?
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 06:32
Quote:RinkadinkQuote:BathMatt53Quote:Hercules Spoons
I think you should do something about your playing surface if you want to optimise the likes of Joseph and Watson though
What can they do? They can't lay plastic or hybrid because the Rec is used for other things over the summer.
Say Desso is installed; what would that prevent happening in the summer?
You would have half a cricket pitch on grass, half on desso. Isn’t desso basically threading plastic fibres into the surface, I’m not sure how that would stop the water logging anyway without raising it but I’m not a groundsman. Either way, the club have said that it’s not possible under the current set-up., the best they can do it re-lay the grass with the better subsurface and hope it helps.
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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 07:09
What cricket is played on the Rec over summer theses days? Certainly isn’t County cricket
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 07:12
Ask Tarquin why he can’t do it - I don’t know.
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 07:58
I was told recently that Somerset 2nds play cricket on the Rec but no idea if that is correct.
I think to get the Desso pitch right it would mean raising the height and you obviously can't do that whilst we are committed to a temporary stand and re seeding where the east stand lies to a level surface.
The Desso surface would be laid only after any heavy construction work is complete.
I think to get the Desso pitch right it would mean raising the height and you obviously can't do that whilst we are committed to a temporary stand and re seeding where the east stand lies to a level surface.
The Desso surface would be laid only after any heavy construction work is complete.
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 08:22
From the BBC today:-
'Last month was the wettest February in the UK since records began in 1862, according to the Met Office.'
'Last month was the wettest February in the UK since records began in 1862, according to the Met Office.'
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Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 08:44
I've watched Somerset 2nds a few times at Bath cricket club recently but pretty sure they haven't played at the Rec for a while
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 08:47
Not sure I recall any cricket played on the Rec last summer?
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 09:05
Watched the TV coverage last night of the game and Bristol were miles offside particularly in the build up to their second try, but you have to say that they adapted to the officials brilliantly. Did laugh at Mark Durden-Smith's comments to Luatua in relation to running 70metres to vigorously thank the referee following the final whistle.
Wry smile on Luatua face and both Flatman and Durden-Smith when inference was made that was due to referees favourable officiating for them. We cannot just blame the officials though and I hope we now recognise how toothless our attack really is and work on improving it instead of believing our pack will just bully the opposition into submission. It hurts me to say I am glad Bristol won, never thought I would say that but they are the ones who showed the real attacking intent and deserved to win. God I feel awful saying that, next I will be praising Glos.
Wry smile on Luatua face and both Flatman and Durden-Smith when inference was made that was due to referees favourable officiating for them. We cannot just blame the officials though and I hope we now recognise how toothless our attack really is and work on improving it instead of believing our pack will just bully the opposition into submission. It hurts me to say I am glad Bristol won, never thought I would say that but they are the ones who showed the real attacking intent and deserved to win. God I feel awful saying that, next I will be praising Glos.
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Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 10:33
As I said, and many times before, why, if the ref is interpreting the laws in a certain way, can we not adapt and do the same? Play the ref and, if it makes him happy, adapt accordingly. This has been a problem at Bath for many a season but we never seem to be able to change our ways. We just moan that the ref missed something or got it wrong. Wake up Bath players and coaches.
Not withstanding Mr Tempest's performance, Bristol certainly played the better rugby and knew how they wanted to attack and had the skills and confidence to execute their game. Can anyone remember when Bath ran a meaningful attack from inside their 20 metre line like Bristol did on at least 3 occasions? It stretched our defence and led to at least 1 of their tries.
We apparently had enough ball, even if it was slow and badly presented, but could not open up their defensive line, apart from the odd individual burst with no backing up. Them not committing more than 2/3 players to a tackle /ruck/maul meant they were able to maintain their line. We, with leadership from the attack coach, have got to solve this problem or we will not win anything meaningful.
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Not withstanding Mr Tempest's performance, Bristol certainly played the better rugby and knew how they wanted to attack and had the skills and confidence to execute their game. Can anyone remember when Bath ran a meaningful attack from inside their 20 metre line like Bristol did on at least 3 occasions? It stretched our defence and led to at least 1 of their tries.
We apparently had enough ball, even if it was slow and badly presented, but could not open up their defensive line, apart from the odd individual burst with no backing up. Them not committing more than 2/3 players to a tackle /ruck/maul meant they were able to maintain their line. We, with leadership from the attack coach, have got to solve this problem or we will not win anything meaningful.
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Posted by: Jim H (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 10:36
Quote:dr.bath1865
As an aside, the moment I keep flashing back to in the match was when they were down to 14 and we had that series of 5m scrums on their line. We worked a move to the right and Webb put Matevasi short into contact when, as shown on BT, a ball out the back to Priestland would have given Homer or Roko a walk in. Small margins, we might still have lost, Webb is still learning to play in BB&W... but it felt like a big miss at the time and an even bigger miss now I've seen it on the TV. Ah well.
To pick up on this, a while back Pat Lam was talking about this sort of situation. In the fist two seasons PL had Bristol playing rather wreckless run everything rugby. It was nerve wracking as a fan, but he explained that playing heads up, risky rugby was mentally difficult to do as it went against the players previous thinking.
This looks like a case in point, Bath's players didn't appear (from a Bris point of view) to be used to playing a open, risky, game so fall back on the "easy" safe option. So good chances are missed as the players aren't looking/thinking for them.
Good luck for the rest of the season.
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Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 10:56
I think if you have spent a lot of time trying to install discipline into your players so as not to give away silly penalties you rely completely on the ref to hold up his end of the bargain.. Bath were failed on Sunday. The ref repeatedly saying “off side line please” as he did is not reffing it is coaching.
It is very hard to say to your side ok guys forget what we trained let’s cheat. The captain has to be more interactive with the ref ours hardly appeared to speak to him.
It is very hard to say to your side ok guys forget what we trained let’s cheat. The captain has to be more interactive with the ref ours hardly appeared to speak to him.
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 11:18
There was one point when a Bris player went absolutely flying off his feet into a ruck. A Bath player complained about it and Tempest said 'yeah I know it was illegal but it didn't affect play'. I know players are always doing something dodgy at rucks, but this was so blatant and dangerous. Ridiculous refereeing. Bris were also so often offside, and the sidesteps from the hooker were ridiculous. There should have been a second yellow card for persistent infringement in the red zone.
And despite all of that, we lost that ourselves. Blunt, simplistic attack, over-forcing offloads and poor decision making.
And despite all of that, we lost that ourselves. Blunt, simplistic attack, over-forcing offloads and poor decision making.
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Posted by: Hercules Spoons (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 13:34
Bristol offside?
Perhaps Andy Robinson had more influence than we thought.
Perhaps Andy Robinson had more influence than we thought.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 15:05
Good one?
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 15:13
I wondered why if the hooker was taking two steps towards his side we did not take one collective step away and make it even more obvious to the officials that he was standing in a line with his players? It must have been obvious to the touch judge, are they not allowed to call a dodgy throw?
I was opposite the ruck, TG, where the Bristol player flew in off his feet, clear and obvious penalty, it has nothing to do with affecting play it is potentially dangerous.
But in the end teams do not lose games because of referees, we have more than enough chances to put Bristol away
I was opposite the ruck, TG, where the Bristol player flew in off his feet, clear and obvious penalty, it has nothing to do with affecting play it is potentially dangerous.
But in the end teams do not lose games because of referees, we have more than enough chances to put Bristol away
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Trawling (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 21:20
Here's a thing and I speak as a referee, sometimes they do.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 22:17
(Trawling is Matt Carley)
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2020 22:49
Quote:hasta
(Trawling is Matt Carley)
I don't know if this is deeply ironic (and I'm not getting it) or its actually true.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2020 08:57
Oh it was a joke. A grrrrreat one.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Dan Wiley (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2020 09:32
"Here's a thing and I speak as a referee, sometimes they do."
As does the weather, you need to play to both.
As does the weather, you need to play to both.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Rinkadink (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2020 19:01
Quote:Yes, Desso has plastic in the underlay. The surface of a Desso pitch consists of grass though which is why it's really the best of both and pretty much what you describe in your last sentence. It would likely help a lot, even with the poor drainage.BathMatt53Quote:RinkadinkQuote:BathMatt53Quote:Hercules Spoons
I think you should do something about your playing surface if you want to optimise the likes of Joseph and Watson though
What can they do? They can't lay plastic or hybrid because the Rec is used for other things over the summer.
Say Desso is installed; what would that prevent happening in the summer?
You would have half a cricket pitch on grass, half on desso. Isn’t desso basically threading plastic fibres into the surface, I’m not sure how that would stop the water logging anyway without raising it but I’m not a groundsman. Either way, the club have said that it’s not possible under the current set-up., the best they can do it re-lay the grass with the better subsurface and hope it helps.
Not seeing the problem of having a section of the cricket surface being desso? Seems it's not played anyway according to this thread?
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2020 19:35
Does a rugby field *have* to be flat? Maybe a slight camber from the mid-line to the touch lines would help drainage. And Luke Charteris would come into his own in a big way! 
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2020 19:44
No they don't have to be flat, I'm sure many of us have played on pitches with their lowest part being a muddy wet corner impossible to escape from!
It's a clever idea Joe but it might upset the groundsman. I suspect they will go for drainage though!
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
It's a clever idea Joe but it might upset the groundsman. I suspect they will go for drainage though!
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2020 20:48
The Rec isn't flat at the moment is it. Slopes towards the Sports Centre corner I think.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2020 21:03
Quote:Dorset Boy
The Rec isn't flat at the moment is it. Slopes towards the Sports Centre corner I think.
AKA "the deep end"?
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:03:04:21:03:52 by joethefanatic.
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2020 21:23
I always thought it was called 'The Bell End'?
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2020 09:09
I can still recall seeing Victor Ubogu scoring two tries against Quins to win a Cup game at the 'deep end' in the corner with the West Stand. Happy Days when we played great rugby and won things.
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2020 09:13
Quote:Bathovalballer
Happy Days when we played great rugby and won things.
You are right BOB, the playing field didn't appear to be level in those good old days did it...
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2020 15:26
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2020 15:27
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Bathovalballer
Happy Days when we played great rugby and won things.
You are right BOB, the playing field didn't appear to be level in those good old days did it...
Its OK Matt, I though it was a very well crafted comment!
Re: BEWARE THE BEAR; BATH v BRISTOL. TEAM UP!
Posted by: elegia (IP Logged)
Date: 06/03/2020 13:51
have to say this is lovely reading for a bris supporter
it's just like when we lost to you in the 90's when you were always offside etc
(see andy robinson comment above)
it's just like when we lost to you in the 90's when you were always offside etc
(see andy robinson comment above)
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