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Quick note, the game against Sarries isn't until 4th October! No reason not to go fully loaded for both games.

Mr Friv, we actually don’t play Sarries until 4th October - a break of 12 days from the Glos game - so team selection could be our strongest in both games.

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Quick note, the game against Sarries isn't until 4th October! No reason not to go fully loaded for both games.

Noted and in the process of updating

Gloucester were shocking in the week... But this makes me more nervous...

Good preview Mr Friv. One question though, is Rhys Powlesland a wierd autocorrect or a nickname I am wholly ignorant about?

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Weird autocorrect I'm obviously in need of a lie down from the lofty position of 3rd given the bloopers

Want to dream but brain keeps reminding me of previous seasons ..... please Bath this time.

If everyone is fit what team to you go for? Sure there may be an element of horses for courses but i think my squad would be as per below but some really tough calls esp in the second row and back row.

Watson
Roko
JJ
Redpath
RMc
Rhys
Spencer

Obano
Dunn
Stuart
Mcnally
Ewels
Ellis
Underhill
Faletau

Bench: boyce, walker, judge, stooke, bayliss, chudley, matavesi, tdg

Exceptionally tough on some players, for example w spencer, mercer, reid.

Lack of injuries currently does mean we are spoilt for choice in a few positions.

Ineresting to see if we get a sight of coko before the end of the season.

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Gloucester were shocking in the week... But this makes me more nervous...

Exactly this - potential Banana Skin as per Wasps at home ! Sincerely hope NOT

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Bayliss or Ellis is a tricky one. Really like Ellis's attitude and he brings good physicality which could be important against Polledri but with the new rules then I think you need 2 mobile flankers like Bayliss and Underhill to prevent turnovers and penalties.

Have to say our 2nd Rows are seriously playing since lockdown - thought Charlie was exceptional against Sale, McNally always gives 120% (may be time to give him a rest) - Thought Will Spencer was really impressive when he came on and Stooke as he has for the past 2 or 3 seasons for me has been outstanding. I thought the only ones which is understandable looked rusty were Batty and Thomas.

Again I would throw Mike Williams into the mix - he offers a counter to Polledri and is a real enforcer when it comes to the tight.

I would not be surprised to see Underhill, TF or ZM, Williams/Ellis - for me that is a better balance than playing 2 opensides and an 8 and I felt this showed on Sunday when Josh suffered his head knock - we appeared a lot better balanced with the arrival of Ellis...It also improves our Lineout with Williams or Ellis.

We need the same aggressive defence as shown at Sale - we cannot afford to give Cipriani or that Glos backline an inch of room to use their pace.

If all fit I would go for a team such as:

Watson
Roko
JJ
Josh M
RM

RP
BS

Obano
Dunn
Stuart
Ewels
Spencer
Williams/Ellis
Zach M
Underhill

Reps - Boyce, Walker, Judge/Schuman, Stooke, Toby F, Chudley, Joe C (if fit), Tom De G

Pick the best team and then worry about the next match after this one

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Pick the best team and then worry about the next match after this one

Agreed - a bird in the hand and all that. And trying to pre-guess what sort of Sarries team we will be facing is impossible.

Absolutely no reason not to with what i think are 9 and then 12 day turnarounds?

Hopefully gives time for watson to get back and any minor knocks we receive in glos match to clear up.

Hoping sarries win at the weekend!

Not sure whether to go all dynamic and fast in the back row and back line to counter their running threat or to stick to our strengths of a mostly beef based approach.

Yeah im wrong again! Club announced pilot scheme for a 1000 supporters to attend

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Yeah im wrong again! Club announced pilot scheme for a 1000 supporters to attend

Any chance you could amend it to predict a big Gloucester win?

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Bayliss or Ellis is a tricky one. Really like Ellis's attitude and he brings good physicality which could be important against Polledri but with the new rules then I think you need 2 mobile flankers like Bayliss and Underhill to prevent turnovers and penalties.

Bayliss clashed heads with TF in a double tackle early in the Sale game and left the field, I would be surprised if he is fit to play on Tuesday next...

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Not sure whether to go all dynamic and fast in the back row and back line to counter their running threat or to stick to our strengths of a mostly beef based approach.

Sometimes need to be pragmatic and consider the opposition but personally prefer when squads are selected on own terms. I would initially pick a massive pack and see how we get on in terms of trying to grind them into the dirt (and hope we react better than against wasps if it isn't happening for whatever reason).

I loved it when the AB's picked barrett at 6-absolute admission they were worried by England's power.

Add Reid to that list - he has shown in the games he has played that he is very comfortable at this level already.

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Good call Clarkey. I forget what the return to play protocols are but given our back row options are: Faletau, Mercer, Underhill, Ellis, Reid and Williams then it seems foolish to rush him back if unsure.

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[Sometimes need to be pragmatic and consider the opposition but personally prefer when squads are selected on own terms

Amen to that. Or, as you youngsters say, +1

The children of those youngsters will be saying "make it so".

Why .... will they be trekkies?

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Good call Clarkey. I forget what the return to play protocols are but given our back row options are: Faletau, Mercer, Underhill, Ellis, Reid and Williams then it seems foolish to rush him back if unsure.

Guess with a 9 day turnaround his chances are improved but agree it would be crazy to take any risks, esp when you consider the options available.

Shows the progress of bayliss over the last year or so that many of us would have him in the 23 over the likes of williams, ellis, mercer. Reid looks to the manner born esp when you think he was out for several mths with his acl.

Squads named monday i assume?

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Not sure whether to go all dynamic and fast in the back row and back line to counter their running threat or to stick to our strengths of a mostly beef based approach.

Based on game stats, I would go Faletau to start to keep the beefy pressure and tight aggressive defence with Mercer on bench to come on with 20 to go with opposition tiring, especially if one or two tries needed for bonus point or simply to win the game

By the way, that is such a great picture at the top of page. Would love to know, in the words of TV game, what happened next

a) receiver went into contact and we lost ball in turnover

b) receiver not expecting pass and dropped ball

or

c) receiver glides through gap

or none above!

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By the way, that is such a great picture at the top of page. Would love to know, in the words of TV game, what happened next
a) receiver went into contact and we lost ball in turnover

b) receiver not expecting pass and dropped ball

or

c) receiver glides through gap

or none above!

Knocked on in contact. We win scrum penalty. Rhys kicks to corner. 5 points from Dunny at the back of the maul.

Love that Rokobilly, maybe that is our strategy. However, now you have highlighted it will be penalised for intentional knock-ons.

Looks like an imminent interception to me!

Maybe it's a no-look catch by Josh?

Often with you on the ever-the-contrarian outlook Opti but that would be some magic sleight of hand and body to catch a ball like that my friend!

Don't think it was a particularly good move as i think it was against Bristol and that didn't go well !

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For some reason I had planned to watch it on Sunday afternoon.

Even with the wonders of on demand TV I think Im going to be disappointed.

If I get lucky I won't post any spoilers .

Chron hinting Cokanasiga might even be back for the Glaws game.

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Would be an exciting option to have back in the mix! I would be tempted to throw him in if they are confident in his fitness (sure we will have a good option on the bench to cover him).

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Yeah im wrong again! Club announced pilot scheme for a 1000 supporters to attend

Managed to get tickets. COYB!!

I will be away this week, which is the best bookmakers site to watch the game.?

If you are a STH Fordem (or know one) you may be able to get a match pass?

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Big Joe is back!

BATH RUGBY SIDE TO FACE GLOUCESTER RUGBY
15. Anthony Watson, 14. Semesa Rokoduguni, 13. Jonathan Joseph, 12. Josh Matavesi, 11. Ruaridh McConnochie, 10. Rhys Priestland, 9. Ben Spencer; 1. Beno Obano, 2. Tom Dunn, 3. Will Stuart, 4. Elliott Stooke, 5. Charlie Ewels, 6. Tom Ellis, 7. Sam Underhill, 8. Taulupe Faletau

REPLACEMENTS
16. Jack Walker, 17. Lewis Boyce, 18. Christian Judge, 19. Josh McNally, 20. Miles Reid, 21. Will Chudley, 22. Cameron Redpath, 23. Joe Cokanasiga

GLOUCESTER
15. Matt Banahan, 14. Ollie Thorley, 13. Chris Harris, 12. Billy Twelvetrees, 11. Jonny May, 10. Lloyd Evans, 9. Willi Heinz; 1. Val Rapava-Ruskin, 2. Jack Singleton, 3. Fraser Balmain, 4. Ed Slater, 5. Matias Alemanno, 6. Jake Polledri, 7. Lewis Ludlow ©, 8. Ruan Ackermann

REPLACEMENTS
16. Henry Walker, 17. Corne Fourie, 18. Jack Stanley, 19. Ed Slater, 20. Jordy Reid, 21. Joe Simpson, 22. Tom Seabrook, 23. Louis Rees-Zammit.

No Cips for them, and Banners at full-back - Rhys may be looking forward to moving him around a bit!

Keep Polledri quiet and stop the ball from getting to their three quick wingers and it’s ours.

Swap Joe for Roko and that would be my 1st choice starting 15. Looking fwd to it

That's a strong side with a decent bench, no 10s on the bench for either team! I just hope Banners doesn't have to stop Joe C at full pelt.


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Happy with that. Welcome back Joe! There's an incentive for Roko to score a few!
Surprised at no Mercer, but it looks like he's regarded primarily as an 8 and behind Ellis at 6. Or maybe he's just injured?

The team on the Gloucs website is different from the one above, which probably makes life easier for Ed Slater as he was both on the pitch and on the bench...

Matt Banahan, 14. Ollie Thorley, 13. Chris Harris, 12. Billy Twelvetrees, 11. Jonny May, 10. Lloyd Evans, 9. Willi Heinz; 1. Val Rapava-Ruskin, 2. Jack Singleton, 3. Fraser Balmain, 4. Matt Garvey, 5. Matias Alemanno, 6. Jake Polledri, 7. Lewis Ludlow ©, 8. Ruan Ackermann

So, Garvey and Banners start against Stooke and Underhill (who played for Gloucs as a kid before Ospreys)

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Didn't realise there were two Ed Slaters playing 4 and 19 for Glos!

Starting to worry about Zach. By one account he had to be persuaded to stay this season by the other players - is he another 'maverick' player/character who may not fit Hooper's straitlace? Or can someone 'reassure' me that he is injured?

I think that Hoops has about 35 players fit who are all pretty interchangeable and that for this game Ellis and TF are the beef to keep control of Polledri and Ackerman. Reid is more versatile than Zach, for me is an 8 pure and simple. Not sure there is anything sinister about it.

In relation to Will Spencer I'm sure he is just off trying to get is nose back into nose shape after the other week.

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Maybe they think Zac is better suited to the surface at Allianz Park and that they will rest TF next week?

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I think that Hoops has about 35 players fit who are all pretty interchangeable and that for this game Ellis and TF are the beef to keep control of Polledri and Ackerman. Reid is more versatile than Zach, for me is an 8 pure and simple. Not sure there is anything sinister about it.
In relation to Will Spencer I'm sure he is just off trying to get is nose back into nose shape after the other week.

Ellis also adds the line out dimension, I sort of get where Opti is coming from though!


Tyler Offiah
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I don't think it was 'persuaded to stay' as much as it was 'persuaded to take a significant pay-cut'.

The vast majority on this board support project Hooper so if that results in Zach moving on because he doesn’t fit in the game plan then there can’t be any complaints.

Hopefully it’s just a sensible tactical decision for this match or a player health decision.

Fellow backrow star Zach Mercer, 23, also looks set to extend his time at Bath having originally refused to take a 25 percent pay cut.

The Daily Mail reported some of his team mates turned up at Mercer’s house to convince him to stay at the club long term and have been successful in doing so.

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Fellow backrow star Zach Mercer, 23, also looks set to extend his time at Bath having originally refused to take a 25 percent pay cut.
The Daily Mail reported some of his team mates turned up at Mercer’s house to convince him to stay at the club long term and have been successful in doing so.

Bet they broke lockdown to do that! Mercer would be nuts to fall out with Hooper at this point in the clubs development!


Tyler Offiah
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I think it was in July, so back when we were allowed/being encouraged to go out!

I'm not convinced it would have been purely about the 25% pay cut.

is Zac injured? or is he turning into another Freddie Burns, throwing his toys out when not picked? problem is hooper never tells us about player injuries so we don't know.
another problem for Zac is that Eddie looks to have moved on. so many other young backrowers coming onto the market.

I think the problem for Zac is that he's starting to falli between 3 stools. Hes not big enough for a carrying 8, he's not a jackallimg 7 and he's not an "unseen work" 6. The problem is working out how to use him effectively and he's a lot like Tom Croft in this regard. I wonder how he'd go at 12?

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Tom Ellis has had a relatively light workload so far this season, and it could be that this is very much a horses for courses back-row - as others have said above, to do with countering the physicality of Polledri. But if Zach's fit, I can't imagine he'd be happy to not be on the bench.

How do we know Zach's unhappy?

Sure, he didn't want to take a pay cut/perhaps wanted more opportunities so made hard work of renegotiating. But then he signed his contract, fully in the knowledge that the Lions No 8 was at the club and that there were more versatile back rowers who could fill the bench slots.

More likely, Faletau has found some form in a team that keeps winning so is getting picked and Zach hasn't had his best few games so is working hard off the field to try and win back the shirt. Start of next season the 8 shirt is Zach's for the first 6-8 weeks so he'll get plenty of rugby.

It'd be a helluva shame to lose him, but if he chose to leave because of the above stated situation then I'd be inclined to say 'good riddance'. But, again, there's no evidence he's unhappy let alone going anywhere, let alone to inside centre!



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Lot of 2+2 = 3.14159265 on 'ere this eve.

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Starting to worry about Zach. By one account he had to be persuaded to stay this season by the other players - is he another 'maverick' player/character who may not fit Hooper's straitlace? Or can someone 'reassure' me that he is injured?

Bath failing to retain Zach Mercer would be crazy, he's a superb player and leader. He's been topping the charts with meters made and defenders beaten. If the club are serious about having home grown talent at the heart of the team why would you let a player as good as Zach go? Surely retaining him must take priority over a superstar, even someone as good as Taulupe Faletau.
To my mind he's a player to build the team around.

Hasta's right far too much jumping to conclusions. Opti just pointed out he wasn't on the bench.


Tyler Offiah
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What started as a Bath v Gloucester thread seems to have turned in to a Zach Mercer one!

He will get plenty of opportunities to play in the months ahead ...... and be able to learn off of Toby.
Seems everybody wins!

I agree hamptonite.

No idea if he is injured but if not then i think the others have just earnt the jerseys since restart whilst zac has been a bit hit and miss.

I agree that zac is more of an out and out 8 whereas bayliss and reid look more adaptable playing across the positions which marks them out as great bench options.

Zac is class and is a major asset but so too are faletau, underhill, ellis, reid, and bayliss. It has been an extremely rare luxury for us to most fit for most games since restart...has often been last 4 standing make the 23 in the past.

Hopefully we can keep them all happy, will certainly all get plenty of game time.

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Lot of 2+2 = 3.14159265 on 'ere this eve.

I am sure it will go full 'circle' soon....

What goes around, comes around....

Pi in the sky....

Or for this game Cameron Redpath divided by Sam Underhill.


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How do we know Zach's unhappy?

We don’t. Or I certainly don’t. Nothing more than a bit of speculation mixed with a sprig of hypothesis and a pinch of conjecture.

There will be more concrete things to talk about this time tomorrow.

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Or for this game Cameron Redpath divided by Sam Underhill.

Best thing I’ve read on the internet today

Great team and bench. Redpath, Cokosigna to come on later is useful. Strong front row to come on and McNally. Strength and depth, bar fly half but great.
Love Mercer, gives something different and young still.
Wouldn't mind know what has happened. Ellis good line out option, full of energy and disrupting fast ball.

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Or for this game Cameron Redpath divided by Sam Underhill.

Best thing I’ve read on the internet today

Crikey - took me longer than the prize cryptic crossword to get that.

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Or for this game Cameron Redpath divided by Sam Underhill.

Very smart. I'm guessing your degree wasn't an arts subject

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Personally not too worried about Zach's omission, good for him rest prior to what could be a huge workload ahead when internationals and Lions comes begging, think it is about getting the balance of the team and back row right, not always about getting all the star players on the pitch at the same time, if that makes sense.

On a different note I see the Tigers have signed an Argentine fly half, not even mentioned on our radar which I find strange unless Hoops really has laid specific requirements to suit his game plan.

It seems that a conspiracy theory or sinister rumour starts to spread as soon as a highly rated player is left out. We have a lot of highly rated players, particularly in the back row, and they can’t all play in every match & we wouldn’t want them to. Maybe in the medium term we might have to lose one but there’s no reason to think it will be Zac more than any of the others. Also, a lot depends on current form & how a particular player has been in training. In Hooper we trust

"a conspiracy theory or sinister rumour"

Amazing how these things escalate!

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On a different note I see the Tigers have signed an Argentine fly half, not even mentioned on our radar which I find strange unless Hoops really has laid specific requirements to suit his game plan.

Joaquin Diaz Bonilla will be 32 during next season, not sure that's really what we should be looking for.

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On a different note I see the Tigers have signed an Argentine fly half, not even mentioned on our radar which I find strange unless Hoops really has laid specific requirements to suit his game plan.

I'd say one of the key requirements for our signing at 10, is that the player is also capable/happy playing at 12 and/or 15 - which makes Willemse and Miotto interesting options.

If Bailey is to develop into our first-choice 10 in 2-3 seasons' time, then our Priestland replacement has to be able to play in the same team as Bailey, rather than being a one or other selection.

Slightly off thread but I would have thought we want a 25 - 28 year old....................who is mentioned in international selection but never quite gets in the squad who as Opti says above is a bit of a Mike Catt/Alex Goode character, ie can play 10, 15, 12 .

Has Alex Goode been the most unrecognised player of his generation?

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On a different note I see the Tigers have signed an Argentine fly half, not even mentioned on our radar which I find strange unless Hoops really has laid specific requirements to suit his game plan.

I'd say one of the key requirements for our signing at 10, is that the player is also capable/happy playing at 12 and/or 15 - which makes Willemse and Miotto interesting options.

If Bailey is to develop into our first-choice 10 in 2-3 seasons' time, then our Priestland replacement has to be able to play in the same team as Bailey, rather than being a one or other selection.

Bonilla is also a level down from what we are seeking and will be back up option for Ford not a starting 10 in big games

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Slightly off thread but I would have thought we want a 25 - 28 year old....................who is mentioned in international selection but never quite gets in the squad who as Opti says above is a bit of a Mike Catt/Alex Goode character, ie can play 10, 15, 12 .
Has Alex Goode been the most unrecognised player of his generation?

I think Alex Goode is widely recognised as being one of the very best club players since professionalism. However he is one of those who just didn't quite cut it at international level having been given his opportunities, and subsequently discarded.

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Slightly off thread but I would have thought we want a 25 - 28 year old....................who is mentioned in international selection but never quite gets in the squad who as Opti says above is a bit of a Mike Catt/Alex Goode character, ie can play 10, 15, 12 .
Has Alex Goode been the most unrecognised player of his generation?

I think Alex Goode is widely recognised as being one of the very best club players since professionalism. However he is one of those who just didn't quite cut it at international level having been given his opportunities, and subsequently discarded.

I know that has often been said of Goode though the odd thing is that many of his spectacular performances, like away against Leinster in a Euro QF, have been in games that have been close to the intensity of internationals

Could it be something other than he can't cut it at the highest level of the game. The players around him, the coaching maybe?

I was quite surprised to discover he had 21 caps.

Darren Stevens is 44 years old, and in county cricket he just keeps on getting better, not just as a batsman, but particularly as a bowler - but nobody ever suggests he should, or should have, played International cricket. Sometimes you just get these sportspeople who, at a certain level, get better and better with age, until they are outstanding . Maybe Alex Goode is a bit like that.

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Strangely as cycled down the alley behind my house just now I went past Cips

Dodgy in defence...

Ballsout must be loving this.

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Rhys missing kicks is not good news!

Evans is a live wire seems to be all over the park!

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Can somebody tell me what the hell is happening??

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Sports bars in Leon all closed so reliant on Whatsapp & COML.
Can somebody tell me what the hell is happening??

PG

The first half was poor from Bath, and that’s an understatement .

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Glaws forwards matching ours, Rhys off target, Matavesi sluggish at 12, no space for our back 3 to run into. Need to play a territory game and not lose our cool and force it. Be patient and play percentages. 4pts required, 5 would be fab...

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Cameron on for Matevesi PG and still 3-13 Rhys has just missed a third pen. Tipping down as well!

Boyce on for Obano

Big Joe on but will he get the ball?

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Joe C on for Roko

This is awful.

Banahan scores!

Oh dear. This isn't very good. Game over with the try from Banahan

3-20 mountain to climb

Reid on for Ellis

Dunn try

Dunn scores from a maul

Why oh why do we persist in a strategy that clearly isn’t working, have the wingers actually touched the ball ? And Dunny scores !! Good kick from Rhys

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Rhys gets the conversion 10-20

This is truly painful and shows our huge shortcomings, most importantly it reiterates our inability to deal with teams who stop our pack/gameplan A.

The big question is - Is it our players or our coaches?

I'd somehow we can turn this around then it will be one of our greatest get out of jail cadss... Can not see it though players have that aehll shocked look again.

Come on Bath

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Dunn try .. again. Game on .... Shows what I know!

Try Bath

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This is truly painful and shows our huge shortcomings, most importantly it reiterates our inability to deal with teams who stop our pack/gameplan A.
The big question is - Is it our players or our coaches?

I'd somehow we can turn this around then it will be one of our greatest get out of jail cadss... Can not see it though players have that aehll shocked look again.

Come on Bath

Exactly this, never been a plan B , backs struggle for decent ball , coaching issue for me seems players not allowed to change plan on the hoof ?

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"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS

Glaws 5 metre line out and we pinch the ball Spencer kick well down field finds touch

Bath try but not sure

Try Bath

Good lord, 6 and a half minutes to go and suddenly we are chasing the 4 try BP!

Turnaround !!

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"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS

24-20 6 mins

Never in Doubt!!!

GET IN!!!!!!!

What a comeback !!!

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"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
FRIEDRICH ENGELS

Bonus try after all that!!

Spencer fed by Joe C get BP try

RP converts


31 v 20

Never say die! 1.5 mins never in doubt! Dunn MotM

Yes!! We can Dream!!

FT

31 v 20

WHAT AN ABSOLUTE COMEBACK! GREAT SPIRIT!

FT 31-20

2nd in table??

Faletau's best game since the restart, I'd say. Lots of quiet grunty donkey work.

60 mins 3-20
80 mins 31-20

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Incredible! What a come back, great mental strength.

That is one heck of a comeback. At 60mins we were done. Fantastic and shows how much as a group they have grown. Could easily have packed it in and coasted and lost by 30 to 3

Waiting for BO to comment on how Bath always choke and throw it away...

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Good to hear Joe C had a good return to play

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Waiting for BO to comment on how Bath always choke and throw it away...

He's probably whimpering in a corner, somewhere, having had his mantra disproved, once again

All credit to the coaches for the HT talk but bringing Cameron on for Josh was a good move.

Glaws must be wondering what happened to give a way a 17 point margin to lose by 11!

Bath best phase was just in double figures and they lost the ball under the new interpretation. Long phases bah humbug!

I love that we are now a side who are capable of coming back and pulling off a victory like that. We didn't panic, held our nerve and trusted. Delighted.

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60 mins 3-20
80 mins 31-20

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Wow !!!

Well done Bath, great win.

Gobsmacked
We could really do this...

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60 mins 3-20
80 mins 31-20

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Wow !!!

Forgive me Father Hooper, I lost the faith and turned the tele off at 3 - 20

Was listening to Radio bristol on the phone, took a call at 3-13 and 'forgot' to turn it back on again.

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Absolutely loving this post lockdown season!!!!

Well certainly didn't see that happening after 60 minutes!
Must be one of the biggest turnarounds.

Well done guys. Time we finally won at Allianz.

Also, how many bonus points is that post lockdown - 5? Just seems much more of a positive and confident vibe - I guess winning will do that for you.

Still, need to massively up their consistency for the next 3 games until they lift the cup

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Crikey that was stressful/fun. Faletau was huge. Underhill just everywhere. Dunn just being Tom Dunn. Well done to all XXIII.

Also the coaches clearly said the right things to turn that around and Redpath, McNally, Boyce and Reid made a huge difference from the bench.

On we march!

I have just picked myself up and have never been so happy to be wrong... Now if this does not breathe self belief into the team then I don't know what would.

Please please learn team give a better team a 17 pount advantage and there will be no way back.

What a result, well done boys. Come on BATH

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Faletau's best game since the restart, I'd say. Lots of quiet grunty donkey work.

Faletau was superb today. My man of the match, slightly in front of Underhill.

Very impressed with the comeback. The first hour was terrible but we showed some real killer instinct to press home the advantage when it came. A very different Bath vintage than we have had for some time. Don’t think we have the attacking game to overturn Exeter but no reason why we can’t beat anyone else in the top 5 now.

That sounds like the Bath of 30 years ago, always out scoring the oppos in the 2nd half.

Good commentary on the radio, knew what was going on.

Pundit Cooch was basically saying we need to switch to plan B much quicker, a better team than Glos would be too far ahead to catch in 20 mins.

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I have just picked myself up and have never been so happy to be wrong... Now if this does not breathe self belief into the team then I don't know what would.
What a result, well done boys. Come on BATH

It might also breathe some belief into us supporters . A different Bath has emerged from lockdown, Spencer magnificent and might be the missing link rather than another 10...

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Those of little faith and those with an agenda being flushed out with these results!! Enjoy these moments, lows and disappointments are always around the corner. Coming of my high horse I would like to say Never in Doubt!!

Someone coined the phrase ‘never in doubt ‘ for this great club....never has it been more appropriate than tonight... something deep inside told me that we would blow glaws away whilst hiding for the last 12 minutes because I couldn’t take it... 😀 Hoops has found the clock that used to make us tick!!

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Also, how many bonus points is that post lockdown - 5?

More than that, I think they've had one every game except Northampton!?!

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At 20-3 I didn’t think we would win but I had a feeling it was going to be close.

Spencer is a massive player for us, set up Dunny's first try forcing the forwards forward then letting him slip down the blind side. Love his direction he's a massive leader. Underhill's best game ever I think. Faletau OK but the youngsters were better and Cameron Redpath is deceptively quick.
Fantastic result.


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Spencer is a massive player for us, set up Dunny's first try forcing the forwards forward then letting him slip down the blind side. Love his direction he's a massive leader. Underhill's best game ever I think. Faletau OK but the youngsters were better and Cameron Redpath is deceptively quick.
Fantastic result.

Underhill carrying!

Let’s not forget Joe C’s break down the wing to let Ben S in for the BP try! Well I missed being at the Rec but didn’t miss the first 60 mins and getting soaked! Well done Bath



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Bath's 28 points in last 20 minutes beats Sale's 17 in 13 last night

Dunny, Spencer and Underhill all fighting it out for man of the match IMO. Unreal cameo from Boyce as well who has been a real asset since lockdown.

The offload off the floor in the wet to take out a defender and free Joe C from McNally was for me the play of the game. Him and Stuart work so hard and have been instrumental in binding the back, and the skillset from Josh to trust himself at such a key point in the game, fantastic.

I don’t want to smite Rhys too much as he fixed his kicking at goal brilliantly, but a dynamic ten will add something extra and afford JJ etc more of a range of plays to utilise which can only benefit them.

Credit to Watson as well, perfect under the high ball and a constant threat. And to Hooper who made a visible effort to go to Matavesi who’s substitution changed the game and give him a hug - team spirit tangible.

What a turnaround. Imagine if we could play that final 20 for the whole 80 minutes!

Annoying first 60 though. As usual, when we put in all the effort for the first 10 minutes but get no points we seem to retreat within ourselves. How May got away with that obvious trip I dunno and how Rapava-Ruskin can get a penalty near their line but 2 mins later Redpath’s exact same doesn’t count and they go over for a try is beyond me. Mind you, I wasn’t sure on one of our groundings, so I guess it all balances out in the end.

Fair play to Ballsout for sitting out this one early doors - our performance was doing his Victor Meldrew impression for him.

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Thanks Matt & others for suggestions. Got waylaid by other pilgrims wanting to be sociable so had to sneak looks at COML to keep informed.

Great comeback! COYB!

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outstanding. I have to admit I gave up at half time. my advice to colleagues on this board is don't post during a game. you look foolish.
some massive performances from Dunny, Spencer, Sam, and yes Toby. is he now finally delivering for us after 4 years?

Well B*gger me, we actually played with a Plan 'A' and a Plan 'B'. I need a lie down.

What a result that was. The improved team spirit is tangible and like Dunny said it's clear they have all worked really hard over lockdown. Even if we lose next week to Sarries and don't make the top 4 the improvement in Hoops first season is monumental. What I like is the fact he thinks on his feet and can change things during a match. The prev few coaches seemed to have predetermined substitutions that they stuck to. Hoops isn't afraid to change his plans mid game. Dunn and Stuart played the whole 80 which is now quite rare and he changed Matevesi early. Selection seems to vary depending on the opposition but in a good way. We don't appear to worry about what they will do to us but pick the team to score points against them. Tonight was a team without Thomas, Batty, Will Spencer, Mercer, DeGlanville, Hamer-Webb to name a few.
I really believe we can beat Sarries and get 2nd or 3rd. We knwo we can beat Sale, Wasps or Bristol then it would be chiefs in the final. Then who knows they could have just been beaten up in Euro final after a hard game against Toulose this week. SO YES WE CAN DREAM AND I ALREADY AM.

Just one thing. Hatley is the coach. Not Hooper.

Hatley might have learnt a trick or two from EJ when it comes to subs.

Am I believing what I am seeing? Bath start as usual at beginning of season, cannot put a few phases together, falling off/missing tackles, letting Glaws score simple moves, giving away soft penalties and losing out on 50/50 balls. Down 3-20 with 15 mins to go. Me shouting at tele lots of abuse and wondering how we can be so bad!

Then I go to the loo and grad yet another drink to drown my expectations. Return to see Dunner get over, and Rhys convert a very difficult kick, after missing much simpler ones earlier. Then another Dunner effort after some wonderful rumbustious tackling and scrapping for the ball, which is very unbath like previously. Then more fight, excellent handling by Mcnally to put big Joe clear who produced top class pass for the supporting Spencer, Then conversion. Did the BB and W do that? Am I dreaming? I hope this dream continues and I never have to disbelieve again.

Very well done Bath. Men of the match for me, Dunner, Underhill (that tackle felt painful just watching from my living room), and Spencer. Watson and Faletau both were very good as well and Stuart put in a huge 80 minute shift. Keep it up lads, now for Sarries where I don't think we have won at Allianz stadium, and I might have dreams of beating the Chiefs in the final.

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Wow just watched it on catch up. Nearly gave up after the Banners try but decided to give it another minute. So glad I did. Excellent spirit and control from the BBW. Unfortunately too buzzed to go to bed now. I bet Ballsout is buzzing too

Well, I went back to bed at 3 points to 20 or whatever. Pleasant surprise when I finally got up and switch on this morning!!!

Love this comment from the Offy.

'Tom Dunn crashed over twice within five minutes taking his season tally up to seven. His first score saw him peel off the maul beautifully and dive over, the second a classic pick and go with strong intent. '
Peeling, beautifully, off the maul is something that I need to see - hurry up with the highlights Gallaghers, please.

OBinFiji

Hee hee!

We were very, very lucky. We made a lot of it ourselves but better sides will not let us back in. I thought we looked like we believed our own hype for 60 minutes. But we pulled it around and that is a huge plus for the development of the team. Plus it was Glaws, which is always sweet.

My MOTM - Ben Spencer (again). I pray he doesn't get injured.

... IMHO, of course.

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i also believe Glos started to tire more than us. There were several players with cramp and their rush defence got very ragged. Mind you they were offside for most of the game but many teams are these days and no doubt others accuse bath of this as well. Lucky that Spencer's knock on wasn't seen.

Great stuff and I think Hats and the other coaches deserve more praise than they are getting.

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I think Hats and the other coaches deserve more praise than they are getting.

Agree - Charteris for me has been brilliant, our lineout looks so slick these days.

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Its really worth watching that last try again, the McNally offload, Joe C's fend then a perfect pass of the wrong hand shows our confidence to just go for it, then Spencer's finish. Just always in the right place at the right time!

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What a game and what a great Bath team performance. How things have changed! Bath now a real team with everyone playing for each other, they never give up and keep going to the full 80 minutes (28 points in the last 20!) they are fit and they even think for themselves and game change the plan to suit the conditions and need. Forwards are mighty, new signings influential and pivotal, youngsters impressing, the squad strong and deep - hats off to Hooper and Hatley and all the players, they have produced a team to be proud of following and who are exciting to watch. They may not be producing high quality rugby finesse yet, but they sure keep the sofa bouncing and the cheers roaring.
For the first time in many seasons Bath can hold their heads high and fear no team. It's a good feeling. Shame we are unable to share it with them at the Rec.

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This is truly painful and shows our huge shortcomings, most importantly it reiterates our inability to deal with teams who stop our pack/gameplan A.
The big question is - Is it our players or our coaches?

Not a brilliant first 60 minutes but these things sometimes happen even to the best teams. What a relief , though, that the blame game merchants can’t get stuck in again

Ooooh, thank you Gallagher Premiership for putting the full game on so soon afterwards.
Now then, just to fast-forward the first 60 minutes.......

OBinFiji

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proud and happy fan. Even if we come up short against a fully loaded Sarries and dont make top 4, its been a brilliant few weeks. long may it continue.

Agree with this, if we had lost last night it would have been, "same old story" if we lose against Sarries given their recent success its with heads held high. Thing is, a win is very much on the cards still.


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Oh the fickleness of us fans - the team and coaches go from dire and dreadful to wonderful and amazing within 20 minutes. I include myself in this, having spent the first 60 minutes endlessly shouting 'FFS' at the tele to spending the half hour after the final whistle reminiscing and eulogising about how the never say die team spirit of the 80's and 90's is well and truly back.

Not wishing to be a Jonah in any way but for the first 60 minutes I was thinking if RP is here to kick penalties and conversions...............and he doesn't what is he good for.

On the other hand Twelvetrees had a 62% success ratio going into last night and I think made all his kicks.

The Gloucester flyhalf was electric and he is number 2 to Cipriani..........

The more you watch that last try the more you have to give credit to Joe C, its his footwork that beats Lloyd Evans then he batts away Singleton to put Spencer in. All after RP went to the wrong side and Watson corrected it.


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The more you watch that last try the more you have to give credit to Joe C, its his footwork that beats Lloyd Evans then he batts away Singleton to put Spencer in. All after RP went to the wrong side and Watson corrected it.

Not sure RP goes the wrong way. When he receives the ball he only has one Bath player to his left and he is 20m in front of him. Unless he wants to kick he has to go right and link with AW. However the work AW does to get to the left of 4 Glos defenders is critical and without then getting outside the defender we are looking at slow or turnover ball.

The other impressive small thing is how Dunn and Faletau expect him to edge the gainline so wait for this to happen before committing to the fast clear out.

Also well worth noting on this clip, how hard Dunn works to get back to RP and AW to be able to clear out. He must have been exhausted at this stage but these extra efforts make the try.



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The Gloucester flyhalf was electric and he is number 2 to Cipriani..........

Not sure he is any more. With Danny Cs Quins performance and ones like the performance last night I think that their trajectories may have crossed since the restart.

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Rhys' kicking has been pretty spectacular since lockdown, apart from the first half yesterday. The first half wasn't good, but even with that if he'd kicked the three penalties you'd normally expect him to, we'd have only been a point down at the break.

We clearly went out with a game plan to play a bit wider yesterday. The wind and our skill level didn't really allow that to be effective. So we changed the game plan, focussed and executed. Just great to see. Also it's clear from the player interviews that they got an absolute bollocking in the changing room at the half.

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Also it's clear from the player interviews that they got an absolute bollocking in the changing room at the half.

I know I should favour the cultured, reasonable, intelligent reprimand but I love it when they get a proper half time roasting!


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Certainly pulled that out of the hat!
Still really puzzled by our play away from the tight 5 for 60 mins of this match. Was just not good enough. Josh M wasn't having a good game which doesn't help but we so rarely seem to engineer a position where JJ has the ball and a line to attack the outside shoulder of his opposite 13. It's certainly not down to him. We just seemingly can't tighten the oppos 10, 12 & 13 to make this happen. Teams certainly do it to us but we can't seem to.

I love Watson but he's got to use these runs to draw defenders in and then PASS!

Faletau looked pretty good. Not marquee level but at least he looked like he belonged there. Maybe it's taking him longer than expected to get fully sharp and confident. Lots of quiet but effective stuff from him. Good for everyone if he continues improving.

Ben Spencer is our most influential player. By a mile.

Thought Reid looked very good. Think he's worth a look in ahead of Ellis unless it's because of line out options.

Underhill. A hobbit's name but the head and shoulders of an Orc (Azog in particular...). Good game from him. Thought he could have drifted to the right wing when he broke the line. Drawn the defender and played our winger in. Think it was RM by that stage.

Boycee! Really hard to stop when he picks and goes like that. He's practically horizontal for about 5 metres or so. Good in the scrum too.

McNally. Great offload. We really to be doing way more of these. Makes a world of difference.

Tough match next time out, even if it's a Saracens 2nd string. Coming back like that will help the Bath players mentality though. It's fine and well talking about it but they saw the results when their mindset changes ON THE PITCH and the result followed.

Rock on.

I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

Right, this is how I saw the game, now I’ve had a chance to calm down a bit. For me, it’s a lesson in the importance of momentum, and capitalising when it’s with you.

The first 10 minutes or so were all Bath; with a penalty on 9 minutes completely against the run of play.
We were confident, and playing reasonably well, kicking to the corner when we Glos were penalised. Glos only really had their hands on the ball for long enough to box kick before we applied pressure again. Plenty of pressure, but nothing much to show for it on the score board – but that’s okay, it’s the opening salvos, we're just waiting for it to click.

Minutes 10-20 and Glos played better, but we were still on top in terms of general play – then Harris scores his try, off first phase ball, in one of their few forays into our half. IIRC his try was the first time a Gloucester hand was on the ball inside our 22. IMO – that try was made by Twelvetrees – who sat Matavesi onto his heels, causing a slight disconnect between our centres, and then popped the ball to Evans who exploits that disconnect as Josh has been robbed of his momentum. Right off the training paddock.

From there, there was a definite swing in momentum. Glos confidence went up through the roof as they’d actually earned and achieved something. We looked back on 20 minutes of playing reasonably, but complacently; and saw ourselves 0-10 down on the score board. Our heads dropped, theirs came up. We started to kick more, choosing to go for the posts rather than corner, and trying to turn Banahan in the backfield, but generally finding May or Thorley.
Glos had the momentum for half an hour, but were never truly on top in terms of the play on the pitch – but we were ever more disheartened by the score board.

At 56 minutes, Polledri bursts through on a really intelligent line (that still should have been covered), before some beautiful hands from Harris puts Banahan over. Glos have had about 35 minutes of momentum; they’ve made hard work of it, never really building pressure, but have put some points on the board. Momentum is with Glos; we’re not playing badly, we’re just flat, frustrated… imprecise.
Hooper had noted in his mid-match interview that Bath were good in the first and final thirds of the pitch, but had more work to do in the middle third. Commentary team early on has mentioned that Glos are good at scoring long distance tries, but not really in the red zone. Astute.

A couple minutes later, we do that Bath/Exeter thing that we were failing at before the lockdown, but are much better at now – catch and drive from 10-12 metres out. Initially Glos have it covered, but our forward momentum sucks in their blind-side defender; Heinz isn’t paying attention (a SH? Appealing to the ref instead of watching the game? Never!); but Spencer and Dunn know exactly what’s happened, and peel off to score down the blind side. Thanks Glos - that was perfectly gift-wrapped.

Momentum now swings our way. I don’t think we’re particularly doing anything different, but the additions of Redpath, Boyce and McNally have tightened up what we’re doing – we’re concentrating again, working harder, executing better. It’s helped that Glos are starting to tire as well; quite possibly with a degree of complacency of their own after the Banahan try. I’ve not been paying much attention to them – have they been overplaying people over the last 6 weeks?

From there, there’s no looking back for Bath – we’ve swung the momentum, and we’re keeping it. Johnny is lucky to stay on the pitch with that trailing leg, but gifts us territory to do what we do. It’s still Plan A, we’re just doing it better than we had been (and Glos hadn't been letting us in their 22 since earning some confidence).
At 17-20, we’re right back in this, and momentum has put our foot on Glos’ throat. That belief and trust in our systems, and in each other, that assurance that it’s not over until it’s over - Never In Doubt – we’re building that nicely, not finished, but the foundations are looking strong.

Watson and Underhill make some ground up the field; and we’re back to the Bath/Exeter phase play within 5m of the line – complete with lots and lots of illegal-but-never-penalised pre-binding. We know what we’re doing, we’re comfortable with it now (unlike 12 months ago); and we’ll d it as many times as we need to to get across the whitewash. We do fluff our lines a couple of times, but react quickly and assuredly enough not to matter. Eventually it’s Boyce dotting it down; and suddenly, we’ve taken the lead and are chasing a TBP.

Poor restart from Bath, leading to a scrappy exchange of box kicks until Banahan puts the ball down Rhys’ throat. Rhys looks to kick to the corner, but sees a bunch of tired Gloucester players there, gives it to Ant who takes the ball left instead. McNally, Coka and Spencer combine brilliantly for the TBP.

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What a great report almost as enjoyable as the live version!!

Fantastic highlights reel................watched it three times now...................must stop and do some work!!

As you say SW last try was excellent with McNally showing very good skills.

Great seeing JC back..........he is like recruiting another player

Interesting with TF getting better and better each match it shows that at this level the fitness and match fitness required to play at this level.

Immense last twenty. I feel really great about this iteration of Bath, regardless of how the season ends. Great to see a bit of 'dog' about them.

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I like turtles.

It’s amazing McNally’s offload to JC was our only offload of the game and how devastating it was! Glaws had 3 offloads all game.

Which Tyler a future in Sports journalism beckons. Really enjoyed that.

Personally thought we were dead and buried at 3-20 down and Glaws playing well. The Bath 23 thought otherwise, and I was out of my chair a few times and then toasted them with a bourbon.

I'm loving watching this team play and evolve.

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Personally thought we were dead and buried at 3-20 down and Glaws playing well. The Bath 23 thought otherwise, and I was out of my chair a few times and then toasted them with a bourbon.

I love a chocolate biscuit as well! Still trying to remove a curry stain from my shirt when Dunny peeled of the back of the maul!


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McNally. Great offload. We really to be doing way more of these. Makes a world of difference.

From the stats, I think that was our only offload all game!

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As I said above, it was and Glaws had 3 all game!

Underhill tried one first half but dropped it.

Off loads are devastating when performed well.............something we clearly need to more off

Seems to put to bed the notion that the squad is divided, we wouldn't have mounted that sort of comeback without the squad being fully together.

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Personally thought we were dead and buried at 3-20 down and Glaws playing well. The Bath 23 thought otherwise, and I was out of my chair a few times and then toasted them with a bourbon.

I love a chocolate biscuit as well! Still trying to remove a curry stain from my shirt when Dunny peeled of the back of the maul!

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Not wishing to be a Jonah in any way but for the first 60 minutes I was thinking if RP is here to kick penalties and conversions...............and he doesn't what is he good for.
On the other hand Twelvetrees had a 62% success ratio going into last night and I think made all his kicks.

The Gloucester flyhalf was electric and he is number 2 to Cipriani..........

What is the point you are making? If it is that we need an additional quality no.10 the club are in agreement. As for Priestland missing a few kicks, he is not a robot.

Amazing last quarter. Not good for the nerves but elated at the finish.

Yes a team performance but Dunn was just exemplary, as was Spencer.

Thought the first half showed signs of fatigue in particular Elliott and Beno, but a lot of rugby has been played.

Thought JM made a big difference and Redpath brings that speed threat.

But Lewis Boyce, wtf! He has to be the most transformed player since lockdown. When he arrived I was not sure. Now he is consistently good.

We are back to having 3 first class front rows. Bring on Sarries

Bath Hammer

There are some people on this board who think that RP walks on water...............

He is not a robot and he is fallible............it showed however in the first 60 minutes that we could not get the ball to our strong wingers going forward and he was not getting his kicks - Plan A.

Then when we scored suddenly he could kick everything from everywhere, as compared to the three easy kicks he missed

On the Sarries game, we play them on the 4th Oct so why would they play a weakened side when the final is 12 days later on the 16th Oct. Am I missing something?


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On the Sarries game, we play them on the 4th Oct so why would they play a weakened side when the final is 12 days later on the 16th Oct. Am I missing something?

I thought that, They will be mindful of injuries but they will want to keep players match fit. Our record on plastic pitches isnt great but hopefully momentum and desire that the boys have shown since lockdown will be enough.
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On the Sarries game, we play them on the 4th Oct so why would they play a weakened side when the final is 12 days later on the 16th Oct. Am I missing something?

I thought that, They will be mindful of injuries but they will want to keep players match fit. Our record on plastic pitches isnt great but hopefully momentum and desire that the boys have shown since lockdown will be enough.

I think the intensity of a HC S/F will be much higher than a regular GP fixture plus travel hassle to France etc would take a greater toll on their frontline squad which would be a marginal gain for us come 04/10...

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Fixture wise it doesn’t fall well for us from a Sarries perspective:

Sat 26th Racing - First Team
Weds 30th Worcester - Squad Players
Sun 4th Bath - First Team? Squad players played 4 days before and last game for the first team before the final?

Let's just go there and beat them!

It does seem to be rather unfortunate, that from memory, our competitors for a top four place played the weakened Saracens team

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There are some people on this board who think that RP walks on water...............

He is not a robot and he is fallible............it showed however in the first 60 minutes that we could not get the ball to our strong wingers going forward and he was not getting his kicks - Plan A.

Then when we scored suddenly he could kick everything from everywhere, as compared to the three easy kicks he missed

I don't believe people on this board think Rhys walks on water it's more of a case that he is pretty much all that we have at the moment and the coaching team have done well to develop a successful style of play that matches his strengths. I think a lot of criticism of Rhys stems from an unrealistic expectation that we should have got a 'world class' fly-half from somewhere( please provide the name of one who is available that you know the club hasn't approached if you know one).



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Let's just go there and beat them!
It does seem to be rather unfortunate, that from memory, our competitors for a top four place played the weakened Saracens team

To be fair Bath played quite a few weakened teams (such as Tigers 2nd Team, Saints rotated team) - that's just the way it is. As noted above, if Bath get a win then they deserve to go through and it would be a great boost before the playoffs.

[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]

Yes that is a fair comment.

After the other night I am on such a high that I think we can beat anybody.................perhaps I need to come back to Planet Reality!

We possibly will BSJ but let's enjoy the thrill of seeing us win again, regularly even if a bit wobbly at times. Our skill levels under pressure need attention, eg our offloading and passing game, but hopefully the confidence of winning will be reflected in better performances in the future.

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an unrealistic expectation that we should have got a 'world class' fly-half from somewhere( please provide the name of one who is available that you know the club hasn't approached if you know one).

I don't think the concern is whether the Club have identified the need for a world-class fly-half or whether the Club have approached any number of candidates. The concern is (or has been) why none of those candidates seems to be interested in coming to Bath.

With the events/results of the last month, however, I'd be very surprised if we remain an unattractive option. Evidence now favours the theory that Hooper is holding out for the perfect fit.

With respect to Rhys missing some "easy" kicks at goal...

The BT commentary team mentioned a swirling wind several times, and all the missed kicks (3 from Rhys and 1 from Twelvetrees) were towards the club house end, whereas both kickers nailed the ones at the other end. Sometimes the conditions don't help the kicker and whilst some may want to use the misses as another reason to have a downer on Rhys, I really don't think form or ability were anything to do with those missed kicks.

It will be a real test playing against their first team but remember, we have have had very tight games with them before & occasionally beaten them plus they have lost one or two players including the influential Farrell for this match. Also, home advantage is not significant without supporters present. However, if we only get one point we could qualify because it’s not certain that all the other results will go in favour of our 3 rivals. I would be surprised if we were to beat a full strength Exeter in the play offs but these things do happen. A lesser match but I remember when as hot favourites we lost to Hooper’s Leeds Tykes in 2005!

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an unrealistic expectation that we should have got a 'world class' fly-half from somewhere( please provide the name of one who is available that you know the club hasn't approached if you know one).

I don't think the concern is whether the Club have identified the need for a world-class fly-half or whether the Club have approached any number of candidates. The concern is (or has been) why none of those candidates seems to be interested in coming to Bath.

With the events/results of the last month, however, I'd be very surprised if we remain an unattractive option. Evidence now favours the theory that Hooper is holding out for the perfect fit.

I agree Opti, you can't account for wives but I think Hooper has both a style of 10 and a player attitude he is looking for. The fact he is prepared to wait shows conviction, I quite like that.


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Thing is we are not..................or probably should not be looking for a "world class" flyhalf. I would have thought we should be looking just half a notch below that level so there is no risk of them going off and playing international rugby and they would be "content" to be a very, very good squad player who can also help bring OB on.

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Thing is we are not..................or probably should not be looking for a "world class" flyhalf. I would have thought we should be looking just half a notch below that level so there is no risk of them going off and playing international rugby and they would be "content" to be a very, very good squad player who can also help bring OB on.

I think we should be looking for a world-class 10. The fact is (volte face incoming) that Priestland is a very good fly-half who has played a lot of Int rugby .... in other words he is 'half a notch below' world-class. I think it's also clear that Priestland's limitations are the last shackle holding us back from being genuine contenders at the top of the GP and into the HC knock-out stages.

But, after 'world-class', the next most important attribute will be the ability to also play at 12 or 15 so as to leave a pathway clear for Bailey to graduate into the role over the course of the next 2-3 seasons.

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Wow, what a performance! The lads staged a magnificent comeback against Gloucs. I couldn't have been more proud with their performances since the restart - top of the league! I'm starting to think that I should have shown a bit more faith / patience , I apologise.

Very magnanimous of you Ballsout (ahem). You are right though, great comeback and an excellent couple of months of results.

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It will be a real test playing against their first team but remember, we have have had very tight games with them before & occasionally beaten them plus they have lost one or two players including the influential Farrell for this match. Also, home advantage is not significant without supporters present. However, if we only get one point we could qualify because it’s not certain that all the other results will go in favour of our 3 rivals. I would be surprised if we were to beat a full strength Exeter in the play offs but these things do happen. A lesser match but I remember when as hot favourites we lost to Hooper’s Leeds Tykes in 2005!

God I remember being furious after that Leeds game. Wasn't Balshaw their captain (until he got injured after 20 mins)?

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Let's just go there and beat them!
It does seem to be rather unfortunate, that from memory, our competitors for a top four place played the weakened Saracens team

From memory Briz went to Alliance to face a strong Saracens line up and it didn't go too well for them

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It will be a real test playing against their first team but remember, we have have had very tight games with them before & occasionally beaten them plus they have lost one or two players including the influential Farrell for this match. Also, home advantage is not significant without supporters present. However, if we only get one point we could qualify because it’s not certain that all the other results will go in favour of our 3 rivals. I would be surprised if we were to beat a full strength Exeter in the play offs but these things do happen. A lesser match but I remember when as hot favourites we lost to Hooper’s Leeds Tykes in 2005!

God I remember being furious after that Leeds game. Wasn't Balshaw their captain (until he got injured after 20 mins)?

We spent the entire game crabbing from wing to wing and back. If only we could have rotated the pitch 90 degrees

Have just watched the last 20 minutes again and yes, of course Spencer is class but Redpath's contributions were massively significant. Another great signing

But, if opposition teams have worked out one thing about us, it is don't kick aimlessly back to Watson

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But, if opposition teams have worked out one thing about us, it is don't kick aimlessly back to Watson

Ruck saying that Racing want him for the 2021 / 22 season.

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I can't believe that one of the best paid players wouldn't have extended longer than a season therefore putting 25% of his salary out of the cap?

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But, if opposition teams have worked out one thing about us, it is don't kick aimlessly back to Watson

Ruck saying that Racing want him for the 2021 / 22 season.

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I can't believe that one of the best paid players wouldn't have extended longer than a season therefore putting 25% of his salary out of the cap?

Crikey, we have 3 in that 'best out of contract' XV. If true that has to be top priority for the club to get new contracts signed

In a way that might not be so bad BathMatt

OK a monumental task to come away with a win but any result is a great benchmark of where we are to seriously compete for the top next season

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But, if opposition teams have worked out one thing about us, it is don't kick aimlessly back to Watson

Ruck saying that Racing want him for the 2021 / 22 season.

[www.ruck.co.uk]

I can't believe that one of the best paid players wouldn't have extended longer than a season therefore putting 25% of his salary out of the cap?

Crikey, we have 3 in that 'best out of contract' XV. If true that has to be top priority for the club to get new contracts signed

Mountain of salt on that article. Firstly as people have said, it seems like contract extensions were signed for everyone. Second if they left to go to France, say bye bye to England money.

Agreed Hasta

[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]

Are any English clubs able to make huge offers at the moment? I’d be surprised as they all say they are losing £1m a month. If the French clubs are making huge offers how can they afford it? Are their sugar daddies richer than ours. I’d assume French clubs are losing similar amounts.

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Are any English clubs able to make huge offers at the moment? I’d be surprised as they all say they are losing £1m a month. If the French clubs are making huge offers how can they afford it? Are their sugar daddies richer than ours. I’d assume French clubs are losing similar amounts.

Racing are losing Zebo, Vakatawa etc. so assume they have a few quid in the pot.

English clubs couldn't compete as he couldn't be a marquee and it would cost them 25% more inside the cap than it would have costed Bath.

[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]

Exactly Eastbath - doesn't really suit gossip and rumour clickbait sites - but all that is right out of the window right for quite a long time to come.

TBH my comment was prompted by an article in the Times online this morning where the English clubs are saying “help” to the government as without crowds it’s unsustainable.
In the comments section the majority of responses were for the government not to support clubs with taxpayers money.
Clubs sources of income/savings are players wages, owners pockets, TV, supporters, loans or er CVC?
Whatever has happened to them?

Anthony did one of those Bath tv interviews recently and looked in a happy mood, answering funny questions.
Someone who's looking to move on doesn't do those actions.
He mentioned his partner as well, and his Bath life.
When George Ford left, he never waited after the game, just went straight home, never spoke.
People act differently when they want to leave.

Marginally lateral thought ... but anyone else wonder whether Tier 1 Unions should be not paying players to represent their country for foreseeable future?

It's one thing when a professional loses some or all of their salary. But no player is ever guaranteed an international appearance and so, one assumes, mortgages/lifestyles etc are not predicated on future earnings from internationals. It would save the RFU, for example, around £0.5m per match ... money which could be spent on supporting other sectors of the game.

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It would save the RFU, for example, around £0.5m per match ... money which could be spent on supporting other sectors of the game.

Or more likely the salaries of a large number of top management to sit around and discuss how they can save money. £23k a game, now £15k or whatever it is now does seem a lot - if Eddie is reading this I would be happy to get the old boots on again for free.

[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]

Just seen the offy report with the title, Dunn and dusted

Very good

Yes I wish I could think of those sorts of things..................I just get to "Bath Time"

I don't get it, we haven't got a player called Dusted? Doesn't make sense!


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Didn't he used to play for Leicester and England?

OBinFiji

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Didn't he used to play for Leicester and England?
OBinFiji

Oh yeah, the bald guy!


Tyler Offiah
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Have we ever had a "Miller" play for us?

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Very good Joe, smart thinking!


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