STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Jones: no experiment?
By PG Tips
November 11 2020
This week sees the beginning of the Autumn Nations Cup, replacing the Autumn Internationals. The tournament is a move to generate TV revenue to offset the financial crisis Covid 19 has brought. This temporary competition follows closely after the recently completed 6 Nations, with the same protagonists joined by Fiji and Georgia. While it may lack the appeal of visits by the southern hemisphere giants, there will be a tournament winner and possibly selection experiments to generate interest.
The tournament format gives each participating nation four fixtures, so avoiding additional international fixture congestion. There will be two pools of four countries in the tournament. Each team will play the teams in their group once by the end of the third weekend. Based on the group rankings coming into the final weekend, each team will face the team ranked in the same position in the opposite pool. This means the teams who come first in Group A and Group B will compete for first place, the teams who come second will compete for third place and so on. The Pools are:
Group A Group B
England France
Ireland Scotland
Wales Italy
Georgia Fiji
At first glance, Group A is the tougher Group. Georgia, recently humbled by Scotland look to be the whipping boys, even if their scrummaging may test opponents, while 6 Nations evidence would suggest that England and Ireland will fight it out for leadership of the Group. Wales though cannot be written off. They very nearly snatched their Twickenham 6 Nations match from England’s grasp and will have home advantage against England this time. Having lost 5 games in a row, Wayne Pivac clearly has work to do to return them to winning ways, not helped by injury absences – particularly in the back row where Moriarty and Navidi have been sorely missed. For Ireland the loss of Ringrose threatens to blunt their attack and there are concerns over the form of veteran halfbacks Murray and Sexton. They will though be implacable competitors who cannot be taken lightly. England would appear to be in a strong position, if Eddie Jones can get the balance of his selection right and if they can adapt tactics mid game as they clearly failed to do in the first half against Italy. Much will depend on Jones’ selection approach. Will he experiment, as many commentators are urging him to do? Not for the first time, he is giving off mixed messages. He won’t, he says be “experimenting” but “sometimes we might have a longer-term view of what is down the track to ensure we get our selection balance right." He has even spoken of fielding 9 forwards, using a “hybrid player” to spring a surprise. His squad included 8 uncapped players when named a few weeks ago, plus a further 5 with fewer than 5 caps, so some blooding of new players seems likely. England’s opener, against Georgia would seem the ideal opportunity to give several of these their first start.
Group B offers France the chance to build further towards their home World Cup in 2023. Unlucky to lose out to England in the 6 Nations, due to their indiscipline against Scotland and Ireland’s late resistance in Paris, their form suggests should be favourites to take the group. Antoine Dupont, 6 Nations Player of the Year, and Gregory Alldritt, their outstanding forward give them a controlling and exciting core, ably assisted by Romain Ntamack. Unfortunately, the deal Les Bleus have with their clubs means that no player can play more than 3 times this autumn. Their style may remain unchanged, their Shaun Edwards defence as strong, but will replacement personnel strengthen or weaken their cause? Scotland’s last 3 6 Nations matches saw them on a rising curve, but their progress may now be hampered by loss of their first two choices of flyhalf. They have the capable Duncan Weir to step into the breach, but can he produce the occasional magic moment, like Russell or Hastings? In his absence a lot of responsibility will rest on the shoulders of captain Stuart Hogg and scrum halves Price and Horne. Playing both France and Fiji at home, they may be praying for wind and gales to blunt their opponents running and handling games. Italy, putting their trust in youth, have shown some flair in recent defeats and in Jake Polledri have one of the standout forwards of the 6 nations. If they can continue recent improvements, they should perform better than Georgia and head off calls for their relegation from the 6 Nations. They will look to build confidence through performance in preparation for that tournament. Hosting Fiji in late November, they will fancy their chances. The Fijians could be the surprise package, given their athleticism and zest for the running game, but much depends on who is available to them and whether they can cope with the demands of a wet European winter.
So the draw, as well as recent form, favours France to win, but whoever they face in the first -place playoff- England, Ireland or Wales will have had a tougher route to the final. Often, the team forged in fire emerges victorious. Outcomes may eventually rest on how individual coaches view the tournament: as an aim in itself, a competition to win, or a chance to experiment with new faces? Stick or twist in gambling parlance. Some may choose to twist, others will have the choice forced upon them by injury and availability.
And what is Bath’s interest? For some the Nations Cup, as with the Autumn Internationals, is a distraction from the Premiership and a drain on resources, losing key players to international rugby when they would prefer to see them in Blue, Black and White. The impact on Bath this autumn is heavy, 8 in England’s squad and one with Wales. Of the England contingent, Dunn and Obano are newcomers and Cokanasiga has been out for a year. The Georgia game would seem a good time to give them all a game. Ewels has been talked up by Matt Proudfoot as a leader, so may get a chance to captain that team, even if only in the event of Farrell being substituted. Whoever is chosen, fans will hope for rotation so that some are released to play for the club- assuming RFU Covid management regulations permit.
Whoever plays, whatever the outcomes, let us enjoy the return of regular rugby, hope for an exciting tournament and that Bath’s contingent acquit themselves well, gain valuable experience and return uninjured to take their part in the Premiership season.
Possible England Squad v Georgia:
Genge, Dunn, Stuart, Ewels, Itoje, Willis, Curry, Vunipola. Robson, Farrell. Cokanasiga, Lawrence, Marchant, Thorley. Daly.
Replacements: George, Marler, Sinckler, Hill, Earl. Youngs, Umaga, Malins.
STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 09:53
I think Daly is still not available.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 09:57
cb2
According to RFU:
[www.englandrugby.com]
Elliot Daly and Joe Marler return after injuries, while Alex Mitchell has also joined up with the squad after taking part in some of England’s training camps in October.
PG
According to RFU:
[www.englandrugby.com]
Elliot Daly and Joe Marler return after injuries, while Alex Mitchell has also joined up with the squad after taking part in some of England’s training camps in October.
PG
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 10:22
France having the perfect excuse for rotating may well help them in the World Cup long-run, but handicaps them a bit for this tournament.
Given how much Eddie talks up his innovative approach to rugby, one would hope that 'hoofing it up in the air' is booted into touch. It's great to have some International rugby on, but now, more than ever, there's a need - possible even a duty - to ensure that the game is entertaining.
Given how much Eddie talks up his innovative approach to rugby, one would hope that 'hoofing it up in the air' is booted into touch. It's great to have some International rugby on, but now, more than ever, there's a need - possible even a duty - to ensure that the game is entertaining.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 10:27
Quote:Optimist
France having the perfect excuse for rotating may well help them in the World Cup long-run, but handicaps them a bit for this tournament.
Given how much Eddie talks up his innovative approach to rugby, one would hope that 'hoofing it up in the air' is booted into touch. It's great to have some International rugby on, but now, more than ever, there's a need - possible even a duty - to ensure that the game is entertaining.
Hope so Opti, I'd have like to see if the the 'hoofing it' laws worked. (50:22) At least it would stop the ping pong!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 10:30
I would play Hill (7), Earl (8) and Willis (6) vs Georgia. What an exciting back row combination that would be. I would also bring Stuart, Dunn and Obano on from the bench as a threesome who know each others game. Of course Eddie won't do any of those things but it would be great to watch.
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 10:31
"great to watch" you say? I don't think you understand Eddie's mandate!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 10:35
Also from BBC:
"Ulster fly-half Billy Burns is in line to make his debut from the bench."
The one that got away? According to their Headmaster at Beechen cliff, the more talented and better player of the Burns brothers.
PG
"Ulster fly-half Billy Burns is in line to make his debut from the bench."
The one that got away? According to their Headmaster at Beechen cliff, the more talented and better player of the Burns brothers.
PG
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 10:43
Quote:P G Tips
The one that got away? PG
Add him to the list of all the others who people on this site think are the one that got away...!
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 10:53
Well, given that he is just about the perfect profile of the 10 we currently need, I'd say that he would be quite close to the top of that list BM! Weirdly, he never gets talked about in the same way as Freddie does/did in relation to Bath Rugby.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 11:08
Quote:Optimist
Well, given that he is just about the perfect profile of the 10 we currently need, I'd say that he would be quite close to the top of that list BM! Weirdly, he never gets talked about in the same way as Freddie does/did in relation to Bath Rugby.
I've seen him in Pro 14 games, not flashy just gets on with it. He done well at Ulster.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 13:04
No good to us if he is going to warm an International bench.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 13:50
How come residency?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: bardofavon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 13:56
irish grandparent through father.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 13:59
Not 'Rabbie', then?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: 9215 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/11/2020 22:53
Good preview, thanks, though I’d like to point out that the teams who come second will compete for third place
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/11/2020 07:25
I think Wales again have the old debate about their 10. They have a coach who likes to play an open game, they have some exciting outside backs and then they have a slightly conservative 10. Wasn't it an opportunity to give a start to Sheedy or someone else?
This is a serious underperforming side. Which on paper contains quite a few members of the next Lions Squad.
Wales: Leigh Halfpenny; Liam Williams, Jonathan Davies, Owen Watkin, Josh Adams; Dan Biggar, Gareth Davies; Rhys Carre, Ryan Elias, Tomas Francis, Will Rowlands, Alun Wyn Jones (capt), Shane Lewis-Hughes, Justin Tipuric, Taulupe Faletau.
This is a serious underperforming side. Which on paper contains quite a few members of the next Lions Squad.
Wales: Leigh Halfpenny; Liam Williams, Jonathan Davies, Owen Watkin, Josh Adams; Dan Biggar, Gareth Davies; Rhys Carre, Ryan Elias, Tomas Francis, Will Rowlands, Alun Wyn Jones (capt), Shane Lewis-Hughes, Justin Tipuric, Taulupe Faletau.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 12/11/2020 08:42
Possibly Sheedy but if you want full on attacking rugby its hard to ignore Jarrod Evans at Cardiff as their 10. Wales are underperforming I agree the big problem might be defence, they seem to have lost physical commitment. Odd that its happened so fast!
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/11/2020 09:02
Is it a case of England circa 2004, when the guys all get a bit old and the next generation are not quite up to it? For Tipuric read Moody, who was never good enough to start in the gun team but later became a focal part of the side. Faletau has lost an edge, North is on the bench and Halfpenny will struggle to make the next World Cup. Wyn Jones is continuing to perform but is he at the same level as he was a few years ago?
It is all a bit confused at the moment.
It is all a bit confused at the moment.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 12/11/2020 09:24
'For Tipuric read Moody' .... you lost me at that part.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 12/11/2020 11:05
England vs Georgia:
15. Elliot Daly (Saracens, 43 caps)
14. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 51 caps)
13. Ollie Lawrence (Worcester Warriors, 1 cap)
12. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 30 caps)
11. Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 57 caps)
10. Owen Farrell (c) (Saracens, 83 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 100 caps)
1. Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 19 caps)
2. Jamie George (Saracens, 50 caps)
3. Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 4 caps)
4. Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 16 caps)
5. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 65 caps)
6. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 39 caps)
7. Jack Willis (Wasps, uncapped)
8. Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 52 caps)
FINISHERS
16. Tom Dunn, (Bath Rugby, 1 cap)
17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 60 caps)
18. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, 36 caps)
19. Ben Earl (Bristol Bears, 4 caps)
20. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 24 caps)
21. Dan Robson (Wasps, 3 caps)
22. Max Malins (Bristol Bears, uncapped)
23. Joe Marchant (Harlequins, 3 caps)
15. Elliot Daly (Saracens, 43 caps)
14. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 51 caps)
13. Ollie Lawrence (Worcester Warriors, 1 cap)
12. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 30 caps)
11. Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 57 caps)
10. Owen Farrell (c) (Saracens, 83 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 100 caps)
1. Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 19 caps)
2. Jamie George (Saracens, 50 caps)
3. Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 4 caps)
4. Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 16 caps)
5. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 65 caps)
6. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 39 caps)
7. Jack Willis (Wasps, uncapped)
8. Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 52 caps)
FINISHERS
16. Tom Dunn, (Bath Rugby, 1 cap)
17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 60 caps)
18. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, 36 caps)
19. Ben Earl (Bristol Bears, 4 caps)
20. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 24 caps)
21. Dan Robson (Wasps, 3 caps)
22. Max Malins (Bristol Bears, uncapped)
23. Joe Marchant (Harlequins, 3 caps)
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 12/11/2020 11:19
Quote:9215
Good preview, thanks, though I’d like to point out that the teams who come second will compete for third place
Quite right 9215- thanks for pointing that out. Actually I took a direct (cut & paste) quote from World Rugby's website:
[www.world.rugby]
PG
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: 9215 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/11/2020 11:30
Fair enough, I’m more than happy to blame them!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 12/11/2020 11:43
Now edited and corrected.
PG
PG
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 10:47
In my ignorance, how can I get Amazon Prime? I only have access to BT Sport at present and I thought I read somewhere that these Autumn Internationals were going to be shown on terrestrial TV.
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni
Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano
Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 10:57
BoB
Drop down to “Internationals on TV” thread for answers.
PG
Drop down to “Internationals on TV” thread for answers.
PG
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 11:49
Tipuric is a player who did not get in ahead of Warbuton and Lydiate. He was not good enough to get into their top side, when they were the best in Europe. Moody was not good enough to get into the side in place of Back and Hill. When these guys moved on, both players suddenly became starters even though their own game had not moved on so much. Corry is a similar example of a player who was good enough for an average England XV but not good enough for one of the great English sides.
The current Welsh sides is going through the same problems which we faced after 2004. In the 2007 6N, our front 5 was: T Payne (Wasps), G Chuter (Leicester), J White (Leicester), M Corry (Leicester), T Palmer (Wasps). That was very different from 2003.
The replacements in that game were: L Mears (Bath), S Turner (Sale Sharks), L Deacon (Leicester), M Lund (Sale Sharks), S Perry (Bristol), S Geraghty (London Irish), J Noon (Newcastle).
The current Welsh sides is going through the same problems which we faced after 2004. In the 2007 6N, our front 5 was: T Payne (Wasps), G Chuter (Leicester), J White (Leicester), M Corry (Leicester), T Palmer (Wasps). That was very different from 2003.
The replacements in that game were: L Mears (Bath), S Turner (Sale Sharks), L Deacon (Leicester), M Lund (Sale Sharks), S Perry (Bristol), S Geraghty (London Irish), J Noon (Newcastle).
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 15:01
You can get 7:2 on wales beating Ireland, they arent that bad are they?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 16:16
Quote:woodpecker
You can get 7:2 on wales beating Ireland, they arent that bad are they?
Defensively they have been pretty poor, still got dangerous backs though but Halfpenny should be replaced by Liam Williams I reckon.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 16:34
Quote:cb2
In the 2007 6N, our front 5 was: T Payne (Wasps), G Chuter (Leicester), J White (Leicester), M Corry (Leicester), T Palmer (Wasps). That was very different from 2003.
The replacements in that game were: L Mears (Bath), S Turner (Sale Sharks), L Deacon (Leicester), M Lund (Sale Sharks), S Perry (Bristol), S Geraghty (London Irish), J Noon (Newcastle).
Good grief! That is a very interesting observation. I still maintain that Tipuric is an absolutely fantastic rugby player.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 16:58
[www.bbc.co.uk]
France v Fiji: Autumn Nations Cup match cancelled after Covid-19 cases unfortunately. Hope they are all OK.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
France v Fiji: Autumn Nations Cup match cancelled after Covid-19 cases unfortunately. Hope they are all OK.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 19:35
Billy Burns gets his chance as Sexton's hamster get a twinge!
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 19:35
Ire 13 v 3 Wal
Sexton off hamstring on 27 mins replaced by B Burns
Sexton off hamstring on 27 mins replaced by B Burns
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 20:14
Ridiculous number of penalties in this game!
Tyler Offiah
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 20:35
Burns off (head knock) Conor Murray on converts penalty
22 v 9
22 v 9
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 20:56
FT
32 v 9
32 v 9
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 20:58
32-9 FT
Wales 6 straight defeats now. They were really poor at scrum and lineout. Some good defence on their line saved it from being close to 50.
Pivac needs to ditch his aged leader and a few others too, and inject some new younger blood, and perhaps find a front row worthy of the name from somewhere.
It's not as if Ireland played particularly well either.
Crazy number of penalties in the match though.
Wales 6 straight defeats now. They were really poor at scrum and lineout. Some good defence on their line saved it from being close to 50.
Pivac needs to ditch his aged leader and a few others too, and inject some new younger blood, and perhaps find a front row worthy of the name from somewhere.
It's not as if Ireland played particularly well either.
Crazy number of penalties in the match though.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13/11/2020 20:59
Final score Ireland 32 Wales 9
Never looked like crossing the line, Wales have problems up front, line out and scrum. You know they are in problems when Halfpenny gets all the points.
P.S. Sheedy can't defend.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:11:13:21:01:25 by shipwrecked.
Never looked like crossing the line, Wales have problems up front, line out and scrum. You know they are in problems when Halfpenny gets all the points.
P.S. Sheedy can't defend.
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 08:31
Quote:“ The sporting result of this match will be determined at a meeting on Monday with the designated tournament sub-com”BathMatt53
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54933133
France v Fiji: Autumn Nations Cup match cancelled after Covid-19 cases unfortunately. Hope they are all OK.
[www.autumnnationscup.com]
So they haven’t got firm rules in place for what happens if a match is cancelled due to COVID-19! And they are going to decide after the other matches in the round have taken place...
France getting the “win” and not missing out on a potential England v France final, probably would be right, but why not say that when the match was cancelled.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 09:09
The Ireland v Wales game was not a good watch. Too many penalties, no flow, player mistakes, poor camera work and TV production in general including annoying fake crowd noise.
Shame the France game is off, potentially better to watch.
Shame the France game is off, potentially better to watch.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 10:28
Quote:dcshQuote:“ The sporting result of this match will be determined at a meeting on Monday with the designated tournament sub-com”BathMatt53
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54933133
France v Fiji: Autumn Nations Cup match cancelled after Covid-19 cases unfortunately. Hope they are all OK.
[www.autumnnationscup.com]
So they haven’t got firm rules in place for what happens if a match is cancelled due to COVID-19! And they are going to decide after the other matches in the round have taken place...
France getting the “win” and not missing out on a potential England v France final, probably would be right, but why not say that when the match was cancelled.
Sounds a bit like they will be deciding who the want to go through!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 12:41
Sports organising body in corrupt decision making process shocker! 
NOT - why do so many governing bodies appear to leave themselves open to accusations of corruption?
NOT - why do so many governing bodies appear to leave themselves open to accusations of corruption?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 13:11
Very strong start by Italy against the Scots.
Scottish scrum utterly destroyed. Still lack that final cutting edge though.
Scottish scrum utterly destroyed. Still lack that final cutting edge though.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: 9215 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 13:18
Excellent Italian try there
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 14:38
Italy run out of steam yet again after a good 65 minutes.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 14:48
[www.bbc.co.uk] - The girls are doing well, against France
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 14:54
Cummings moonlighting for Scotland after leaving no. 10, last night?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 14:55
Quote:I just needed 1 more point from Scotland but no, they ruined my spread bet. On for a tidy little return after Ireland did the bizDorset Boy
Italy run out of steam yet again after a good 65 minutes.
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:08
Penalty - France 10-33 England
Emily Scarratt
Never in doubt.
Emily Scarratt maintains her 100% kicking record for the afternoon as England nudge even further ahead.
FT
Any chance our youngsters could have Emily Scarratt as a kicking coach?
Emily Scarratt
Never in doubt.
Emily Scarratt maintains her 100% kicking record for the afternoon as England nudge even further ahead.
FT
Any chance our youngsters could have Emily Scarratt as a kicking coach?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:22
Willis worth a shout, after all
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:26
Why does Farrell kick 15 m from the line? Very frustrating.
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:29
Quote:shipwrecked
Why does Farrell kick 15 m from the line? Very frustrating.
And Billy wants to bully rather than picking good options.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:32
Will Stuart playing as if to the manor born!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:39
Think the Georgians are puffed already after 33 mins!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:40
I reckom Eddie plans to get another 78 minutes out of Jamie George and Ben Youngs.....
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:40
Excellent flopping on view!
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:41
I know winning is the most important but I think we've shown we can overpower the Georgians with our mauls...
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:46
JJ make a break and gets broken! Off injured!
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:47
JJ helps Daly over the line!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:48
Brilliant break by JJ but what happened after he passed the ball!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: BBWBaaBaa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:50
Cue - BoB blaming Eddie for JJ picking up an in-play injury!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:51
Quote:Dead leg maybe?CoochieCoo
Brilliant break by JJ but what happened after he passed the ball!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:52
Quote:shipwrecked
Why does Farrell kick 15 m from the line? Very frustrating.
Dreadful decision. Sort of thing where TV cuts to the coach banging his fist on his desk. But it’s Faz.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:52
Monsoon conditions at HQ!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 15:56
And in Bath! I've had to turn the lights on, at 3:30 pm!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:00
Think the tackle on JJ was after the ball had gone but was committed. JJ seemed to have flown over the tackler and landed badly. Hope is isn’t too serious.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:15
Matt Dawson on JJ
"England 26-0 Georgia
Matt Dawson
Former England scrum-half on BBC Radio 5 Live
What makes it so much more effective is having Joseph on the wing with the intelligence of a 13 is he knows where the weaknesses are. It must give him an advantage."
"England 26-0 Georgia
Matt Dawson
Former England scrum-half on BBC Radio 5 Live
What makes it so much more effective is having Joseph on the wing with the intelligence of a 13 is he knows where the weaknesses are. It must give him an advantage."
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:17
And
"Is it potentially a calf, or a hamstring or a muscle tear? It is a blow, not just for this week, as he is such a versatile player."
"Is it potentially a calf, or a hamstring or a muscle tear? It is a blow, not just for this week, as he is such a versatile player."
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:18
Great that Eddie taking the opportunity to learn more about Bill V, Maro, Youngs and George, and less about Willis, Dunn and Robson.
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:23
Quote:Optimist
Great that Eddie taking the opportunity to learn more about Bill V, Maro, Youngs and George, and less about Willis, Dunn and Robson.
I said earlier he wants 78 minutes out of all of them.
@#$%& stupid management.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:23
Jamie George gets his hat trick so time for Dunny?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:24
Just like getting good turnover ball and hoofing it away - so what if the conditions are bad, one day you may be chasing the game in similar conditions.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: hooter (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:27
Exeter 33 Georgia 0
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:27
Robson & Malins on.
Lawrence and Youngs off.
Still no sign to Tom Dunn.
Lawrence and Youngs off.
Still no sign to Tom Dunn.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:28
Quote:????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????hooter
Exeter 33 Georgia 0
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:30
Dunny!
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:30
Dunny on!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:30
Finally.
Ewels off too.
Ewels off too.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:40
I don't understand Slade at 12, had a below average game for me.
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:43
I'd have liked to see Farrell taken off and see how England cope then - would it be Malins or Slade to 10?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 16:55
I can sort of understand him keeping the Sarries players on - they might need the minutes long-term - but god Eddie and his indispensable lieutenant Faz are joyless at times. Faz is hopeless against 2nd rate opposition. Not questioning his value when the going gets tough but it was never going to get tough against a Div2 side.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 20:28
[www.somersetlive.co.uk] - Jones "JJ Back Spasm, back next week"
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14/11/2020 21:05
Quote:Mike the Taxi
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/other-sport/eddie-jones-eases-injury-fears-4702166 - Jones "JJ Back Spasm, back next week"
Thats a relief he landed badly after giving the scoring pass, bit like JJ of old!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2020 09:08
When Cipriani chipped through for the winning try against SA, Farrell had a strange look on his face. Now Farrell is trying the trick whenever he can.
Also, what has happened to May? He has millions of credits in the bank but his current game is littered with errors.
Also, what has happened to May? He has millions of credits in the bank but his current game is littered with errors.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2020 09:58
Quote:cb2
When Cipriani chipped through for the winning try against SA, Farrell had a strange look on his face. Now Farrell is trying the trick whenever he can.
When Faz tried that chip through for Daly, it was the sort of moment that would have head coaches throwing their coffee cup and banging the desk. He's great in a dog-fight, but I hate that mentality that that's what you have to gear absolutely everything around.
Quote:cb2
what has happened to May? He has millions of credits in the bank but his current game is littered with errors.
Ingesting and then having to regurgitate this sort of garbage probably doesn't help: 'England wing Jonny May says head coach Eddie Jones has set them the "exciting" challenge of becoming the best team to have ever played'
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2020 11:49
Was that Georgia's best side? If it was, then Italy are still a long way ahead of them.
A "guest" side in the 6N would be a better option. If the clubs would agree to it, then a side made up of all the best players who play their club rugby in Europe. It will never happen, due to funding and politics, but it would be fun to watch.
Piutau, Gopperth, Polledri, Vakatawa, Imhoff, De Klerk. They might win the thing.
A "guest" side in the 6N would be a better option. If the clubs would agree to it, then a side made up of all the best players who play their club rugby in Europe. It will never happen, due to funding and politics, but it would be fun to watch.
Piutau, Gopperth, Polledri, Vakatawa, Imhoff, De Klerk. They might win the thing.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: bardofavon (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2020 11:51
i'm glad it's not just me that thinks jonny may has lost the plot. i haven't seen him play a decent game since lockdown 1 ended.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2020 12:24
Sexton and Henshaw will both miss this coming Saturday's match against England.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2020 12:58
'A "guest" side in the 6N would be a better option'
Imagine if you gave Aussies, Kiwis etc a way of playing their club rugby in Europe, whilst also playing in the 6Ns!! Not quite the same as representing your country in a Test match, but it would, well.... stir things up a bit!
Imagine if you gave Aussies, Kiwis etc a way of playing their club rugby in Europe, whilst also playing in the 6Ns!! Not quite the same as representing your country in a Test match, but it would, well.... stir things up a bit!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2020 11:13
Georgia are nowhere near ready and Italy have lost their last 22 matches in the 6N. They've had some pretty good coaches in the past but still no cigar. It seems like they improve each year but the opposition improves as well. For how long is their place in the 6N guaranteed?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2020 12:25
Should be a play-off between bottom side of 6Ns and top of the 2nd tier comp, whatever that is, to compete in following year's 6N.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2020 12:38
So that would be relegation then Opti if there was a second tier competition of course, I thought you were moving towards ring fencing? Anyway, first thing would be to set up the second tier competition!
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2020 12:46
Quote:shipwrecked
So that would be relegation then Opti if there was a second tier competition of course, I thought you were moving towards ring fencing? Anyway, first thing would be to set up the second tier competition!
There is a second tier competition already isn't there, that features Georgia, Romania, Spain etc
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2020 13:00
'I thought you were moving towards ring fencing?'
Yes - reluctantly - for the Premiership. Not for 6Ns.
Yes - reluctantly - for the Premiership. Not for 6Ns.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2020 13:13
Quote:Optimist
'I thought you were moving towards ring fencing?'
Yes - reluctantly - for the Premiership. Not for 6Ns.
I actually agree with you, I'm a bit surprised there isn't a second tier tournament, but if its not supported in the country then its a money/TV issue. Who would that competition involve Georgia, Spain, Germany ?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2020 14:43
There is a Tier 2 Competition:
Georgia, Portugal, Spain, Russia , Belgium, Romania.
There are other divisions below those teams.
PG
Georgia, Portugal, Spain, Russia , Belgium, Romania.
There are other divisions below those teams.
PG
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2020 16:13
For more detail, I could not find any definitive detail on official sites (uncertainty due to Covid perhaps?) but here is Wikipedia's take:
[en.wikipedia.org]
PG
[en.wikipedia.org]
PG
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2020 16:30
Who knew that Andy Robinson was coaching Romania?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2020 15:49
Duncan Weir’s hair. Discuss.
Aaah he’s growing it for charity fair enough
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Aaah he’s growing it for charity fair enough
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Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2020 11:11
Another comment about DW, he appeared to hit more rucks than the Bath backrow did on Saturday, which was entertaining, if odd.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2020 18:11
[www.bbc.co.uk] - AW and LCD Back in Squad
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2020 18:16
Quote:Mike the Taxi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/55048325 - AW and LCD Back in Squad
So Joe C, Thorley and May are the wingers Lets hope JJ continues on the wing, can't see Joe C playing if Eddie was watching at the weekend!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2020 19:45
When I watched the game on Saturday I started to wonder if Joe C was one of those NFL chappies I’ve read about.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 11:30
'Eddie Jones has recalled a squad of 35 players to England's training base in Teddington'
Joe C needs that like a hole in the head. A week of getting to know his team-mates, not travelling up and down the M4, and preparing for hopefully getting another 80 minutes under his belt for Bath on Saturday, would - I imagine - do him a lot more good.
Joe C needs that like a hole in the head. A week of getting to know his team-mates, not travelling up and down the M4, and preparing for hopefully getting another 80 minutes under his belt for Bath on Saturday, would - I imagine - do him a lot more good.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 12:03
On paper England should win easily against Wales, if Joe C comes up against Louis Rees-Zammit, Johnny McNicoll or Liam Williams on Saturdays showing he'll get crushed. Rees-Zammit is electric and keeps improving.
Sadly I doubt the back will get much ball, I'm expecting an Exeter like tactic from the lineout, following an ariel bombardment!
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Sadly I doubt the back will get much ball, I'm expecting an Exeter like tactic from the lineout, following an ariel bombardment!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 12:13
I checked on Saturday and if I put £100 on England I could win £12.50
If that was a building society that would be great.......but it isn't.
If that was a building society that would be great.......but it isn't.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 14:51
We know England will kick the ball until it goes flat. It's a fairly safe bet that Wales will also have decided that they're unlikely to win by going through phases or trying to skip through us, so the only way to play England is to keep on kicking it too. It's admirable that England are so hard to score against, but it's also going to make the match an absolute bore.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 15:02
Quote:shipwrecked
I'm expecting ..... an ariel bombardment!
They're going to be dropping soap powder on us from a great height?
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 15:03
Wales are 6-1 which is the same as the bet I took on Bristol beating Wasps at the weekend (a plan which came unstuck in the last 2 mins of the match).
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 15:10
Quote:OptimistQuote:shipwrecked
I'm expecting ..... an ariel bombardment!
They're going to be dropping soap powder on us from a great height?
Its inevitable in these Covid times that the players need to be in a bubble I'm afraid!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 16:10
Quote:OptimistQuote:shipwrecked
I'm expecting ..... an ariel bombardment!
They're going to be dropping soap powder on us from a great height?
A Tempest of it!
PG
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 16:24
Very erudite PGT. But Shipwrecked is clearly the 'font' of all knowledge.
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 16:35
Quote:BathMatt53
Wales are 6-1 which is the same as the bet I took on Bristol beating Wasps at the weekend (a plan which came unstuck in the last 2 mins of the match).
Bath is also 6-1
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2020 16:35
Quote:Optimist
Very erudite PGT. But Shipwrecked is clearly the 'font' of all knowledge.
Well they were shipwrecked after all!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2020 20:00
France will be without scrum-half Antoine Dupont, Charles Ollivon and Virimi Vakatawa because they are limited to three autumn internationals.
That is a massive loss for them and a boost for Englands chances of winning this meaningless trophy!
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That is a massive loss for them and a boost for Englands chances of winning this meaningless trophy!
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2020 18:24
Wales v Italy was looking a bit fraught up til a few minutes ago
Re: STICK OR TWIST? AUTUMN NATIONS CUP
Posted by: singletonamos50 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/12/2020 13:18
I think Daly is still not available.
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