A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Underhill: licence to..?
By PG Tips
November 22 2021
Both sides will grapple with identity issues when Bath host Exeter Chiefs at The Rec on Friday night. The Chiefs will be disappointed to have won only half their Premiership fixtures a third of the way through the season. After two defeats in the Premiership Cup they will be desperate to return to winning ways they are used to. At least they have the consolation of standing 4th in the table. Bath, meanwhile, winless and 17 points adrift of their visitors seem to have lost their way. The omens for Friday’s result look extremely gloomy.
Chiefs have stuck to the identity that has served them well for 6 years. This season’s law changes and referee interpretations have blunted the power of that simple keep-ball game plan. While they can no longer rely on their rugged forward drives for the majority of their tries, dominant forward power remains a winner. Their challenge is to adapt their plan to maximise the constant pressure they know they can exert and expand their range of scoring options. With 7 international backs and a raft of promising youngsters a few tweaks to their attacking game should bring more scores, more wins, with identity mostly intact.
Bath by contrast appear still to be in search of an identity. The stated strategy of three seasons ago- build a dominant pack, aggressive defence and winning kicking game, then develop an expansive attack, may not have been abandoned. It has however regressed. Fluent, creative attack is more evident but without a stable platform of possession and let down by a porous defence, is not enough in isolation.
This weekend concludes the “review period” announced by CEO Tarquin McDonald at the end of last month. The Ed Griffiths report, it’s findings and implementations of it’s recommendations cannot come soon enough. Just over a decade ago Ed was the architect of “something special happening at Saracens”. 9 trophies in 13 years resulted from the revival his review initiated. Fans will hope he can have a similar effect at Bath, but after years of “rebuilding” are impatient to see improvement now. Whatever changes arise from his review, surely a clear playing identity must be the foundation for revival?
This match should see the return of internationals and perhaps some of the injured of both clubs. That could mean Hill, Skinner, Tshunzia, Simmonds, Slade and Hogg for Exeter. For Bath Stuart, Ewels, Underhill, Bayliss could make welcome returns. The injury list remains long though and there will be anxious waits for news on Boyce, Coetzee, Ben Spencer and De Glanville.
Bath stand 0-0-7 in Premiership results. If they are to win this Friday they may need a miraculous 007 style intervention to save their world from implosion. Who will be the hero of the hour? Let us hope he has the ruthlessness of Daniel Craig and the insouciance of Sean Connery. Bath will certainly need the resourcefulness, resilience and, above all luck of the famed secret agent.
Possible Teams:
Bath Rugby: Schoeman, Du Toit, Stuart, McNally (Capt.), Ewels, Ellis, Underhill, Bayliss. Fox, Bailey. Muir, Ojomoh, Clark, McConnochie. De Glanville.
Replacements:, Boyce, Dunn, Rae, W Spencer, Reid. Green, Cipriani, Joseph.
Exeter Chiefs: Hepburn, Yeandle (Capt), Williams, Hill, Tshiunza, Kirsten, Armand, S Simmonds. Maunder, J Simmonds. Nowell, Devoto, Slade, O’Flaherty. Hogg.
Replacements: Moon, Innard,Keast, S Skinner, Capstick. Hidalgo-Clyne, Walsh,Whitton.
A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 10:12
As ever hitting the salient points hard PG!
You would hope that the likes of Stuart, Ewels, Underhill and Bayliss could spread some of the international culture and philosophy that brought success at the weekend.
Malco stating elsewhere that they have all been of to the beach, no details but the above certainly haven't.
I'd say if we do take a pounding that won't be the reason, I don't see a win but isn't there a point when professional pride takes over? I see a loss but I don't think there will be a lack of effort and am hoping for a far better performance.
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Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
You would hope that the likes of Stuart, Ewels, Underhill and Bayliss could spread some of the international culture and philosophy that brought success at the weekend.
Malco stating elsewhere that they have all been of to the beach, no details but the above certainly haven't.
I'd say if we do take a pounding that won't be the reason, I don't see a win but isn't there a point when professional pride takes over? I see a loss but I don't think there will be a lack of effort and am hoping for a far better performance.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 10:34
Let's be honest, most of us are fully expecting the Exeter score to be the wrong side of 50 with those two lineups
Even a losing bonus point looks a forlorn, desperate hope
Like sw, I will, at this stage, settle for a much improved overall performance with far fewer avoidable errors, some evidence of high end skill in scoring more than one try and a lot of honest, defensive endeavour and cohesion for the full 80+
In short, something to give the paying fans something to cheer and those of us not at the Rec something of hope to hang onto for the future
Even a losing bonus point looks a forlorn, desperate hope
Like sw, I will, at this stage, settle for a much improved overall performance with far fewer avoidable errors, some evidence of high end skill in scoring more than one try and a lot of honest, defensive endeavour and cohesion for the full 80+
In short, something to give the paying fans something to cheer and those of us not at the Rec something of hope to hang onto for the future
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 10:36
You've got them a bit overstocked in the 2nd row and light in the backs PG! Add Hogg and delete Lonsdale? I'd start Reid over Underhill (looked a bit jaded Saturday) and Green over Fox (Fox hasn't done enough for me).
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 10:48
Wonder if Spencer (Ben) might be back? I think I saw him doing the warm up at Welford Road. He’s the one player who ‘could’ take us from zeroes to heroes.
I’m not saying his inclusion will make us world beaters, but we’ve certainly missed his skill, experience and organisational/motivational qualities. With him in the team, likely only a 40 point loss…
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I’m not saying his inclusion will make us world beaters, but we’ve certainly missed his skill, experience and organisational/motivational qualities. With him in the team, likely only a 40 point loss…
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 10:55
So I have Shadders-thanks. Corrected now.
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathIron (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 10:57
I think you need to add in Ewels also 😉
Excellent summary again.
Excellent summary again.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 11:00
PG I know we are struggling but could we start with 15. I think we’re missing a second row.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 11:08
Glad to see you are all so alert!
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 13:19
Hoping Ben spencer is available. Sounded like he wasnt a million miles off the leic game 3 weeks ago.
Would defo have rested underhill but came off after about 55 mins?
Have no issue playing stuart, ewels, bayliss given lack of minutes over recent weeks.
Hard to have any real positivity about this, just hope we are slightly less leaky in defence, show some spirit and look to play a bit in possession.
Would defo have rested underhill but came off after about 55 mins?
Have no issue playing stuart, ewels, bayliss given lack of minutes over recent weeks.
Hard to have any real positivity about this, just hope we are slightly less leaky in defence, show some spirit and look to play a bit in possession.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 13:26
Surely Slade and Hogg will be getting a rest?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 16:59
Be surprised if they played hill ans slade
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 20:36
An odd point but I wonder what impact (if any) the Chiefs meeting to decide on whether to change their branding will have? I believe it's this week and if they chose to change nothing you get the feeling the papers might give that some coverage. Ofc it could help unite them in an "us against the World" type way but equally being the "villains" can get old pretty quick for the team involved as Saracens know only to well.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 20:51
Another “identity” issue OM - a synthetic one.
It could be a distraction - more likely will unify as you suggest.
PG
It could be a distraction - more likely will unify as you suggest.
PG
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 21:00
Nothing synthetic about the issue PG.
I doubt the players care too much. After the NCAI statement this is only going one way. If Exeter choose not to do anything about it (and I suspect they won't) I think the Prem/RFU might.
I doubt the players care too much. After the NCAI statement this is only going one way. If Exeter choose not to do anything about it (and I suspect they won't) I think the Prem/RFU might.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2021 21:22
hasta
The identity is synthetic - the issue real.
Should have made that clear.
PG
The identity is synthetic - the issue real.
Should have made that clear.
PG
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2021 09:50
Underhill should be rested for this one, he has worked v hard in the AI's and we will need him fresh and firing for the HC matches next month. Bath c 4/1, Chiefs are 2/7 for the win. Damage limitation is the priority...
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2021 10:09
Quote:Clarkey3k
we will need him fresh and firing for the HC matches next month.
...so that we can crush Leinster at their place before finishing off with a triumph over la Rochelle! The Saints and Gloucester prem games would be my priority.
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2021 12:07
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Clarkey3k
we will need him fresh and firing for the HC matches next month.
...so that we can crush Leinster at their place before finishing off with a triumph over la Rochelle! The Saints and Gloucester prem games would be my priority.
That's not going to happen BM53 as you well know but he would make a difference in either or both of those matches and help limit the damage we will sustain...
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2021 12:20
I'd rather target the remote possibility of a win at home to a misfiring Exeter, than the infinitesimal odds of getting anything from Saints/Leinster/La Rochelle.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2021 13:26
Quote:Optimist
I'd rather target the remote possibility of a win at home to a misfiring Exeter, than the infinitesimal odds of getting anything from Saints/Leinster/La Rochelle.
Me too
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 10:02
The game is still 50/50 right up until the first whistle. I would imagine especially given the injuries to our power players such as Beno and Jaco they will be concentrating on a power based destruction of our pack - I am sure they will be picking a very heavy front 5 with Dave Ewers charging down the 9/10 channel.
Let us hope the coaches are prepared for the challenge and in turn the team is prepared.
That is my positive take. I cannot think of anything else like OB stated in another post - I have kind of lost interest now but I will be there shouting and cheering. I just pray it is not embarrassing again for all of us and none of the players suffer any serious injuries.
Let us hope the coaches are prepared for the challenge and in turn the team is prepared.
That is my positive take. I cannot think of anything else like OB stated in another post - I have kind of lost interest now but I will be there shouting and cheering. I just pray it is not embarrassing again for all of us and none of the players suffer any serious injuries.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 11:33
My hope for the game is that Exeter actually play some rugby, it doesn't rain and Bath lose by less than 20pts. If we actually found a way to win I think I'd need a lie down all weekend and I suspect the club would arrange an open top parade to celebrate given the low bar for success being set right now.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 11:51
Quote:OutsideBath
My hope for the game is that Exeter actually play some rugby, it doesn't rain and Bath lose by less than 20pts. If we actually found a way to win I think I'd need a lie down all weekend and I suspect the club would arrange an open top parade to celebrate given the low bar for success being set right now.
The only thing I can help you with OB is the weather, cold, windy but probably dry, no current booking with these though
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 13:19
I am afeard of a 50 - 0 defeat
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 13:52
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
I am afeard of a 50 - 0 defeat
Bit harsh , 50 - 3 more realistic !
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 14:09
Quote:Old Bath TubQuote:Bath Supporter Jack
I am afeard of a 50 - 0 defeat
Bit harsh , 50 - 3 more realistic !
With a decent pack I expect defeat but I also expect a few tries, its not attack we fail at its defence. There are clear signs Williams knows what he is doing and Bailey, Mojo, Muir and TDG are dangerous with the ball, they just don't get enough!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Awp (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 18:44
Hopefully it stays dry (will be staying on the sofa in the warm if it looks like it will rain) and I also hope there isn’t too much of that annoying chanting.
A competitive game would be nice, however not expecting too much!
A competitive game would be nice, however not expecting too much!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 19:32
[www.metoffice.gov.uk] - 'rain' in the morning, dry and cold in the evening (so far)
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 20:32
Ref: Matthew Carley
Asst Refs: Greg Macdonald & Gareth Holsgrove
TMO: Stuart Terheege
Citing Officer: Paul Hull
Asst Refs: Greg Macdonald & Gareth Holsgrove
TMO: Stuart Terheege
Citing Officer: Paul Hull
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 21:37
Carley? Jesus wept
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 22:44
Injuries update - [www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2021 22:56
Quote:hasta
Carley? Jesus wept
In fairness, it could have been Tempest…
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 07:31
Quote:Rawce
Injuries update - [www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Interesting. Expecting a team along the below lines based on that. Think they will go for experience:
Tdg
Rmc
JJ
Clark
Muir
Cips
Spencer
Boyce
Du toit
Stuart
Mcnally
Ewels
Ellis
Underhill
Bayliss
Bench: schoeman, dunn, rae, spencer, reid, fox, bailey, mojo/roko
I personally would go for bailey and mojo but could understand taking them out the firing line.
With coetzee out long term could seriously do with faletau back as an option I think. Appreciate he is moving on but I don't think merigan is ready (but would like to see him get a handful more games this season so he is next season)
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 07:41
[www.bathrugby.com]
Sounds like clark and schoeman may be struggling. Cordwell and mojo/jj in I guess with roko in the 23 ...
Good to see that redpath and coko will prob be available early in the new year. Redpath is class and coko was working his way slowly into some decent form.
Sounds like clark and schoeman may be struggling. Cordwell and mojo/jj in I guess with roko in the 23 ...
Good to see that redpath and coko will prob be available early in the new year. Redpath is class and coko was working his way slowly into some decent form.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 08:06
Clark definitely out for a few weeks so will probably go with mojo . I hope Spencer W has found his stride he was obviously not match sharp last outing…
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 08:45
Quote:charlieboa
I guess with roko in the 23...
I would select GHW personally. This would be a good game for Butt as well IMO, particularly if they play Hendrickson.
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 09:05
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:charlieboa
I guess with roko in the 23...
I would select GHW personally. This would be a good game for Butt as well IMO, particularly if they play Hendrickson.
I agree but have my doubts they will go that way.....
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 09:19
Gulp - Matthew Carley - Ouch whilst he has improved a hell of a lot he is very officious and technical - if we do not get it right at set piece (which we haven't all season) we are going to be in a lot of trouble - same with the tackle height - Carley is a man who brandishes the red card quickly and decisively.
At the end of the day as with Tempest it is our responsibility to take the officials out of the equation - again something we have failed to do all season.
God I just hope for an improvement and no serious injuries.
At the end of the day as with Tempest it is our responsibility to take the officials out of the equation - again something we have failed to do all season.
God I just hope for an improvement and no serious injuries.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 09:25
That's some very nice clear communication re. injuries. Of course, being a 'fan' I'm going to find a way to complain, and wonder whether they might have sprung Spencer on Exeter as more of a surprise. But actually, it seems like a model piece of clarity, tailored with the reality that injuries don't always behave the way that press officers need them to.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 09:26
Quote:hasta
Carley? Jesus wept
To be fair he's a decent ref now and finally seems to be able to relate to the players. His first few times at the Rec he was awful and not ready to ref at the top level, but now he's one of the better refs in the PL.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 09:28
Quote:Ali1969
Gulp - Matthew Carley
I don't really have much view on referees - they all do a decent job in impossible circumstances. But my entirely unresearched, possible unfounded sense is that Carley is one whose default is to favour the team that is higher up the table ..... which doesn't really bode well in this (or any other match).
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 09:33
Quote:OptimistQuote:Ali1969
Gulp - Matthew Carley
I don't really have much view on referees - they all do a decent job in impossible circumstances. But my entirely unresearched, possible unfounded sense is that Carley is one whose default is to favour the team that is higher up the table ..... which doesn't really bode well in this (or any other match).
Isn't it more of a case of, like many refs actually, 50/50 decisions seem to go the way of the team that is on top at scrum/breakdown etc and invariably that tends to be the team higher up the table?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 09:38
Is the injury update the first outcome from the Griffiths report? I know we've done an update like this every now and then in the past, but never with consistency and rarely with the level of detail provided in this one. Wonder if Ed has suggested that, given what we're going through, clearer communication with fans needs to be a priority. If so, I'm a fan, but it might be nothing to do with EG.
The updates are, on the whole, good news and, whilst they're going to rest a few of their internationals, I bet even Underhill will start for us. Having Spencer back is massive. Not that injuries/call ups are an excuse for P7 L7, but we've no excuses given the team we're able to put out tomorrow. I don't expect us to win but I, at least, expect to put up a fight, not be bent in half at every scrum, win our line outs and look like we know what we're doing in the backs. Oh, and if that doesn't work, Spencer can just box kick all night.
The updates are, on the whole, good news and, whilst they're going to rest a few of their internationals, I bet even Underhill will start for us. Having Spencer back is massive. Not that injuries/call ups are an excuse for P7 L7, but we've no excuses given the team we're able to put out tomorrow. I don't expect us to win but I, at least, expect to put up a fight, not be bent in half at every scrum, win our line outs and look like we know what we're doing in the backs. Oh, and if that doesn't work, Spencer can just box kick all night.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 10:35
Carley is a very pedantic ref. He does not lend to good games of rugby.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 10:59
I think he has become one of the best referees in Europe. He has his own way, but he makes clear what he wants from the players and is absolutely consistent.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 11:19
Quote:hasta
Carley is a very pedantic ref. He does not lend to good games of rugby.
Bath v Exeter is unlikely to produce a good game of rugby so having Carley should have little impact on that.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 11:20
I tend towards malco's view. I reckon he has improved immensely. It is the job of our players to get on top and as pundits have commented "paint the right picture" for the ref
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 11:22
I compare him to Luke Pearce. Pearce speeds the game up at ruck and scrum. Carley does not. He has improved yes, but has no feel for the game.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 11:53
We won't win a game this side of Christmas.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 12:02
Team's Up:
Bath Rugby team to face Exeter Chiefs
15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Will Muir, 10 Orlando Bailey, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Lewis Boyce, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss
Bath Rugby team to face Exeter Chiefs
15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Will Muir, 10 Orlando Bailey, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Lewis Boyce, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 12:05
Replacements
16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Arthur Cordwell, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Tom Ellis, 21 Joe Simpson, 22 Danny Cipriani, 23 Ruaridh McConnochie
16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Arthur Cordwell, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Tom Ellis, 21 Joe Simpson, 22 Danny Cipriani, 23 Ruaridh McConnochie
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 12:09
If Cipriani doesn't start now, at home, against the best team in the division, refreshed after a week off, what is the point of him being here at all?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 12:17
Quote:malco
If Cipriani doesn't start now, at home, against the best team in the division, refreshed after a week off, what is the point of him being here at all?
I said months ago that if Bailey is starting regularly by the middle of the season then Cipriani will have fulfilled a big part of his remit. I'm not entirely sure Cipriani would agree with that, but I'm happy to look at it in that positive way.
And .... insert usual team announcement reaction: 'blimey, that's a great looking side on paper'.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 12:23
Quote:Optimist
And .... insert usual team announcement reaction: 'blimey, that's a great looking side on paper'.
Like this one. Bookies have Exe by 10 which seems optimistic from a Bath perspective.
15 Stuart Hogg
14 Jack Nowell
13 Henry Slade
12 Ian Whitten
11 Tom O’Flaherty
10 Harvey Skinner
9 Jack Maunder
1 Alec Hepburn
2 Jack Yeandle
3 Josh Iosefa-Scott
4 Sam Skinner
5 Sean Lonsdale
6 Dave Ewers
7 Jannes Kirsten
8 Sam Simmonds
16 Jack Innard
17 Ben Moon
18 Harry Williams
19 Don Armand
20 Richard Capstick
21 Sam Maunder
22 Joe Simmonds
23. Tom Hendrickson
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 12:30
Quote:OptimistQuote:malco
If Cipriani doesn't start now, at home, against the best team in the division, refreshed after a week off, what is the point of him being here at all?
I said months ago that if Bailey is starting regularly by the middle of the season then Cipriani will have fulfilled a big part of his remit. I'm not entirely sure Cipriani would agree with that, but I'm happy to look at it in that positive way.
And .... insert usual team announcement reaction: 'blimey, that's a great looking side on paper'.
If he was commanding attention after consistently turning in brilliant displays of commanding rugby I would agree with you.
He isn't. He is showing himself to be a talented and utterly committed young player who, handled well, can be a great asset in the future.
Quite simply he is the best we have, but it's hard to think of another Premiership team that would be playing him at the moment.
That is a damning indictment of our situation.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 13:01
Anyone know who the BT Sport pundits are going to be for tomorrow nights game? I would love it to be someone who has the guts to talk honestly about Bath and the review (is Austin up for it?). Maybe fly in Cheika for 30 mins before the game, or Steve Diamond is in the area?
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 13:02
Quote:malco
If he was commanding attention after consistently turning in brilliant displays of commanding rugby I would agree with you.
He isn't. He is showing himself to be a talented and utterly committed young player who, handled well, can be a great asset in the future.
Quite simply he is the best we have, but it's hard to think of another Premiership team that would be playing him at the moment.
That is a damning indictment of our situation.
Given what is around him - a beaten back, a rookie 9 who the coaches have only picked under duress/default, and an ever-changing cast outside him, I'd say it's a minor miracle that he's been able to play any rugby at all. I'm not saying that's down to Cipriani's influence, but I disagree that no other Prem team would play him. when you consider his performances in context.
The selection of Bailey isn't in to me a 'damning indictment'. Pretty much everything else about our situation is, however, a damning indictment of our coaching and senior management set-up.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 13:09
Quote:BathMatt53
Anyone know who the BT Sport pundits are going to be for tomorrow nights game? I would love it to be someone who has the guts to talk honestly about Bath and the review (is Austin up for it?). Maybe fly in Cheika for 30 mins before the game, or Steve Diamond is in the area?
Kay has generally been of the opinion that a defence coach is needed so he may approve. As you say oz would have had the whole lot moved out and replaced.....
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 13:15
Quote:Bath Blues
We won't win a game this side of Christmas.
Bigger question will we win against Worcester after Christmas! I'm not so sure TBH.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 13:35
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:Bath Blues
We won't win a game this side of Christmas.
Bigger question will we win against Worcester after Christmas! I'm not so sure TBH.
Doesn't matter, we will be into the next 30 day chapter then SW. Like groundhog day (month).
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 13:59
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:shipwreckedQuote:Bath Blues
We won't win a game this side of Christmas.
Bigger question will we win against Worcester after Christmas! I'm not so sure TBH.
Doesn't matter, we will be into the next 30 day chapter then SW. Like groundhog day (month).
Oh yes, I forgot that bit, do you still remember the previous 30 days then or is it a full reset? If its the later I think I'll leave myself a note, for personal preservation reasons. There is a name for repeated self inflicted pain isn't there?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 16:06
Really wasn't expecting Slade or Hogg to play.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 16:41
Quote:malco
If Cipriani doesn't start now, at home, against the best team in the division, refreshed after a week off, what is the point of him being here at all?
He's on the bench because he is one of 'the finishers'
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 16:45
Quote:by
Really wasn't expecting Slade or Hogg to play.
They will be an absolute high after their respective successes. And given the level they have been playing at for their countries, Friday evening at the Rec will be a walk in the park for them. They may well run amok.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 17:01
I’m looking forward to watching a set of quality players provide a team performance that is greater than the sum of it parts.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 17:21
Quote:dcsh
I’m looking forward to watching a set of quality players provide a team performance that is greater than the sum of it parts.
+1
Long time since I’ve seen Exeter play, but I am hopeful they’ve changed their style and are playing a more expansive game.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 17:46
I think many are giving the club an easy ride, look at the team sheet it is full of good players, yet we are quite happily expecting a 10+ beating and accepting it. The players should be good enough to beat an Exeter side who are not playing well, injuries cannot be used as an excuse, so if we do lose it is down to the poor management/coaching of the club.
I was not going to renew my season ticket until they signed Cipriani, I thought it may be worth just one last chance to see him play, but they are not even doing that - how must he feel? That we go into every home game expecting to get beaten is a novel experience and after an exhaustive investigation the club decides we only need a new defence coach?
I was not going to renew my season ticket until they signed Cipriani, I thought it may be worth just one last chance to see him play, but they are not even doing that - how must he feel? That we go into every home game expecting to get beaten is a novel experience and after an exhaustive investigation the club decides we only need a new defence coach?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 18:25
Quote:gaz59Quote:malco
If Cipriani doesn't start now, at home, against the best team in the division, refreshed after a week off, what is the point of him being here at all?
He's on the bench because he is one of 'the finishers'
He's on the bench because he is finished.
Supposed global superstar, saviour of Bath Rugby, being paid a vast salary to play second fiddle to an academy player.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 19:03
No one’s accepting it. Everyone’s saying everyone (other than Williams, maybe) should be sacked.
Just when we needed Exeter to rest Slade and Hogg, they throw them straight in and welcome back Ewers.
We’re toast. Hooper should be too after a +40 point thrashing at home “under the Friday night lights”.
Just when we needed Exeter to rest Slade and Hogg, they throw them straight in and welcome back Ewers.
We’re toast. Hooper should be too after a +40 point thrashing at home “under the Friday night lights”.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 19:58
I said 50 - 0 because we will be 14 - 0 down and will kick for the corner, instead of taking the easy 3 points on offer and will throw in not straight, knock on, or just simply lose the line out.........
Compared to what Slade and Hogg have been used to for the past three weeks this will be a slow motion walk in the park.
As Opti says "on paper"...........
Had lunch today with a Leicester supporter (he paid!). He said he feels our pain as they have of course come bottom for the last two years.
In my game the easiest way to win awards is to have a really rubbish year the year before..........I wonder if this is all part of a clever ruse...........and we win the league next year.
Compared to what Slade and Hogg have been used to for the past three weeks this will be a slow motion walk in the park.
As Opti says "on paper"...........
Had lunch today with a Leicester supporter (he paid!). He said he feels our pain as they have of course come bottom for the last two years.
In my game the easiest way to win awards is to have a really rubbish year the year before..........I wonder if this is all part of a clever ruse...........and we win the league next year.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Barnoid (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 21:32
Perhaps I’m naïve, but I thought we were reasonably competitive in our last prem game away to a team in better form than Exeter, with fewer of our 1st choice players available than we have now.
(I appreciate that we got humped in the cup in the meantime but that might as well have been the a-league, as far as I’m concerned.)
I’m travelling in hope that we build on that performance.
(I appreciate that we got humped in the cup in the meantime but that might as well have been the a-league, as far as I’m concerned.)
I’m travelling in hope that we build on that performance.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 21:39
Steady on with that positivity Barnold, won't land well round these parts.
I am 95% in the ' we will get utterly pumped ' camp and 5% in the ' we weren't awful last league game and Exeter aren't in great nick so maybe we can run them close ' camp....
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I am 95% in the ' we will get utterly pumped ' camp and 5% in the ' we weren't awful last league game and Exeter aren't in great nick so maybe we can run them close ' camp....
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: sirtidychris (IP Logged)
Date: 25/11/2021 22:36
Why does every team we play seem to put out thier strongest side, we are soo pants now I'd hope we would be rest your best players team but noooo apparently everyone wants to give us a royal kicking
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 02:01
Quote:sirtidychris
Why does every team we play seem to put out thier strongest side, we are soo pants now I'd hope we would be rest your best players team but noooo apparently everyone wants to give us a royal kicking
Cos we're a guaranteed 5 points if they do and they have to keep pace with all the other teams that do it.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 06:37
I really hope for the sake of their careers and self worth that fox and green are pleading with their agents to find an escape route.
Absolutely wasted 2-3 years of their careers with us.
Absolutely wasted 2-3 years of their careers with us.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 08:05
Hello. I can’t make tonight’s game (for Covid avoidance reasons, not because of how we are playing) and I am letting a workmate have my Season Ticket for tonight only. Is there a one game digital pass I can hand over or do I just pass on my overall ST QR code? Sorry, normally I’m the one offering the tech advice - I think I’ve hit the age where it’s all downhill and large button phones from here on in.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 09:10
As expected (Baxter is no fool) that is a big pack and with the likes of Williams , Moon and Armand on the bench I think we know where this is going especially with the crash merchant that is Whitten in the centres (he is a better player than just a crash merchant - but he is a power player) to bring the ball back against the grain and into the backrow.
Like to know the odds on Simmonds, Kirsten and Ewers each scoring tonight - weather prediction appears to suit a heavy Exeter pack and with that backrow Orlando Bailey better have extra shoulder protection in place because they will be coming down his channel and Sam Underhill cannot tackle all 3 at the same time.
Like to know the odds on Simmonds, Kirsten and Ewers each scoring tonight - weather prediction appears to suit a heavy Exeter pack and with that backrow Orlando Bailey better have extra shoulder protection in place because they will be coming down his channel and Sam Underhill cannot tackle all 3 at the same time.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 09:53
Williams v cordwell off the bench isn't a great match up.
If we are out of the game with 20 to go I hope they have him those minutes. One of many who has barely played any rugby matches over the last 18m so can't expect him to improve without getting a chance.
If we are out of the game with 20 to go I hope they have him those minutes. One of many who has barely played any rugby matches over the last 18m so can't expect him to improve without getting a chance.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: bathwickboy (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 12:35
Just so much negativity on this board at the moment! I think the term 'supporter' is totally misplaced with some of the posts , and some posters seem to appear on a more than regular basis spouting nothing but constant criticism about every aspect of the club and its playing staff. I thought that the moderators had banned the main culprit, but it seems there are others who are in waiting to take over the hollow title of 'Mr. Negative'.
I am as disappointed as most on here about our results this season and of course we should be looking to find ways to improve, but not everything about the club is rotten from the top down as some would have us believe.
We are clearly lacking in confidence and tactical areas of our game need to be improved and developed. The club has started that process.
If I was a player preparing for tonights game, I sincerely hope that he doesn't glance at this board to see what so called supporters are saying, it is hardly motivational in any sense of the word, in fact it is a thoroughly depressing read in many aspects.
It is very easy to be a supporter when things are going well but it is testing when we are going through such a bad patch.
Will I watch tonight expecting a home win, I don't think so. Will I watch tonight expecting an improved performance, lots of effort for the cause....absolutely 100%. Win or lose, I am fully expecting the harbingers of doom to be back on the board tomorrow finding something to moan about but not in a constructive way. Such is life!!!
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I am as disappointed as most on here about our results this season and of course we should be looking to find ways to improve, but not everything about the club is rotten from the top down as some would have us believe.
We are clearly lacking in confidence and tactical areas of our game need to be improved and developed. The club has started that process.
If I was a player preparing for tonights game, I sincerely hope that he doesn't glance at this board to see what so called supporters are saying, it is hardly motivational in any sense of the word, in fact it is a thoroughly depressing read in many aspects.
It is very easy to be a supporter when things are going well but it is testing when we are going through such a bad patch.
Will I watch tonight expecting a home win, I don't think so. Will I watch tonight expecting an improved performance, lots of effort for the cause....absolutely 100%. Win or lose, I am fully expecting the harbingers of doom to be back on the board tomorrow finding something to moan about but not in a constructive way. Such is life!!!
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 13:36
The posters on this board, many of whom have supported this team for (many) decades have seen 1 win in 15 Premiership games and right royal stuffings in many of them. Most, if not all, care very deeply for the club. Watching it driven to the (record breaking) lows of this season is bound to illicit a lot of negativity, some would say realism. What a ridiculous post to suggest that they aren't supporters because they are upset about the club consistently losing badly...
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 13:40
Quote:BathMatt53
The posters on this board, many of whom have supported this team for (many) decades have seen 1 win in 15 Premiership games and right royal stuffings in many of them. Most, if not all, care very deeply for the club. Watching it driven to the (record breaking) lows of this season is bound to illicit a lot of negativity, some would say realism. What a ridiculous post to suggest that they aren't supporters because they are upset about the club consistently losing badly...
Exactly this !
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: bathwickboy (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 13:47
Yes, I have supported this club since the 60's when a man woman and a dog comprised the crowd, but I think my key word was 'supported'. You have every right to question but to constantly vilify and talk down every action by the club is not 'supporting' in my view. If the cap fits, wear it!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 14:31
Quote:bathwickboy
Yes, I have supported this club since the 60's when a man woman and a dog comprised the crowd, but I think my key word was 'supported'. You have every right to question but to constantly vilify and talk down every action by the club is not 'supporting' in my view. If the cap fits, wear it!
If you read this board regularly you will know the BathMatt53 is a regular supporter of the Bath rugby, not prone to negativity in any way unlike others who I agree are overly pessimistic and critical.
Those people get challenged regularly and get a gentle spanking when they get rude.
The point being made is that with the club at its lowest ebb in terms of position and morale for years. (You can probably tell us the last time that was given your longevity) criticism of the club is no longer just negative opinion it is simply a statement of fact.
By all means pick up the regular negative posters, several members do but let me assure to use your vernacular "the hat doesn't fit" this particular poster.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 14:41
Quote:shipwrecked
By all means pick up the regular negative posters, several members do but let me assure to use your vernacular "the hat doesn't fit" this particular poster.
Thanks Mum.
(p.s. can I have some money so I can go out with my mates?)
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: bathwickboy (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 14:53
If you read my original post, I did not mention any names and in fact was not thinking of BathMatt53. He seemed to assume that I was having a dig at him, I was not. I do not doubt his support for the club and have not made any assertions to the contrary. We ALL want the club to do well, but I could trawl back over many comments written by posters on here, that contain nothing but criticism. Enough said?
I cannot remember a time when we had such a poor set of results but I do remember the days when you would expect a good drubbing at the hands of sides such as London Welsh, Bristol and Llanelli!
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I cannot remember a time when we had such a poor set of results but I do remember the days when you would expect a good drubbing at the hands of sides such as London Welsh, Bristol and Llanelli!
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 14:58
Well I am giving the Rec a miss tonight, for the first time in ages. There are a few reasons but the team performance to date is a factor. Apart from that the weather, parking, Christmas crowds and my family from London visiting are the major factors.
Yes even optimists like me are frustrated and cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel yet but hopefully the team will give something to smile about in front of the telly and a roaring fire!
Yes even optimists like me are frustrated and cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel yet but hopefully the team will give something to smile about in front of the telly and a roaring fire!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 15:04
Quote:bathwickboy
If you read my original post, I did not mention any names and in fact was not thinking of BathMatt53. He seemed to assume that I was having a dig at him, I was not.
I didn't actually. Until now...sniff.
Let's face it, we are just all a bit hacked off and venting our spleens aren't we. Pretty sure most people inside the club are hacked off too.
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 15:20
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:shipwrecked
By all means pick up the regular negative posters, several members do but let me assure to use your vernacular "the hat doesn't fit" this particular poster.
Thanks Mum.
(p.s. can I have some money so I can go out with my mates?)
Certainly not! As punishment I'm sending down the rec to watch Bath play Exeter ....... that will teach you!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 15:30
Quote:bathwickboy
If you read my original post, I did not mention any names and in fact was not thinking of BathMatt53. He seemed to assume that I was having a dig at him, I was not. I do not doubt his support for the club and have not made any assertions to the contrary. We ALL want the club to do well, but I could trawl back over many comments written by posters on here, that contain nothing but criticism. Enough said?
I cannot remember a time when we had such a poor set of results but I do remember the days when you would expect a good drubbing at the hands of sides such as London Welsh, Bristol and Llanelli!
I might have just reacted a bit hastily BWB, it was just given there are so many detractors out there I didn't want you think our Mathew was one of them!
You are spot on to support the club, lets all hope for a change in fortune soon!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 15:54
Can't decide whether to watch the match tonight or another episode of Hell-bound. Both are horror shows, just not sure which will be the scarier
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 16:50
Team selection chat with Hooper, for anyone who doesn’t get this from the club as a member.
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I’ve been looking at the weather forecast and my ski clothing to weigh up how much I want to sit out in ‘feels like’ minus 3, but having looked at our team again I think I’m going to do it!
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I’ve been looking at the weather forecast and my ski clothing to weigh up how much I want to sit out in ‘feels like’ minus 3, but having looked at our team again I think I’m going to do it!
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 19:39
It wouldn't surprise me if we won tonight, sport is just like that sometimes.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 19:41
Quote:gaz59
Can't decide whether to watch the match tonight or another episode of Hell-bound. Both are horror shows, just not sure which will be the scarier
OK, have plucked up the courage to watch the scarier prog and got BT sport on now! Sweepstake on when Exeter get past 40 anyone?
68 minutes for me
First Exeter try? 6 minutes
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 19:57
How’s that a penalty to them when they were lying offside preventing Spencer getting to the ball?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:04
Gonna consign the last three criticisms against Carley to the draft bin because I just sound bitter and one eyed. But wow, great scrum. Everyone fired up. Dunny on song. I love to see it.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:06
Beautiful ugly try there!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:07
Good start. Fairly ugly game so far, but hard work.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:15
Reid off with a painful looking shoulder.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:30
Great effort Bath, but repeat that possession stat next half and we'll lose. Need to go again harder and faster.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:32
Come on people, we are scrapping, we are fronting up. It’s very ugly and backs against the wall, but we are at least fighting for everything.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: ilovebathtime (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:43
So much fight from our players in that half and mostly smart too. Need to really back it up though as remember thinking the same away at Bristol
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:49
Can someone get in touch with whoever owns the balls Mum,and get her to call him home for tea?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:50
Damn! Too late!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 20:56
Destroy them in s scrum next scrum chiefs go to ground and it's a penalty to chiefs. Mad
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 21:11
Hogg YC for push on TdeG and deliberate knock on YC both not given and still playing!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 21:32
I mean, good effort, but tough to argue we deserve that. No ball carriers. No energy or pace from the bench.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 21:32
Close but ultimately not good enough. Exe try with 3 mins left then a pen on 80mins ends it. 16-23 and another L.
Big in defence, some good signs but Exe too good even when they haven't played well.
Big in defence, some good signs but Exe too good even when they haven't played well.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 21:34
Whatever anyone says about improvement, we still lost - and remain losers.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Long Term (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 21:40
Quote:Enlighteningdannyf2
Whatever anyone says about improvement, we still lost - and remain losers.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 21:45
Quote:Long TermQuote:Enlighteningdannyf2
Whatever anyone says about improvement, we still lost - and remain losers.
Let me enlighten you some more. Our next 3:
Away to Saints
Away to Leinster
La Rochelle
Wanna bet against 13 losses on the trot? Lucky for some
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Jon Chess (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 21:58
Simply the worst series of results in our history. Exeter were there for the taking but we could not manage it.
Jon Chess
Jon Chess
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Long Term (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 22:02
Quote:When we do make sure to point it out!!dannyf2Quote:Long TermQuote:Enlighteningdannyf2
Whatever anyone says about improvement, we still lost - and remain losers.
Let me enlighten you some more. Our next 3:
Away to Saints
Away to Leinster
La Rochelle
Wanna bet against 13 losses on the trot? Lucky for some
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 22:07
Ultimately we lost that game when we ran out of loosehead props. Will Vaughan at this stage of his career simply can not be expected to hold up the Exeter scrum five yards from his own line. The scrum went backwards, Ellis had to stay down to give Vaughan everything he'd got and Cipriani at guard somehow couldn't even get a hand on Simmonds running down the 10 channel. Bloody depressing really. Reid was excellent, typical that he joined the injury list. Hooper looked like he was trying not to cry at the end.
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 22:10
A much better performance in terms of committment and defence, but as ever big decisions go against the side a the bottom:
Hogg -deffo yellow for the deliberate trip (and he has a lot of form for that) and got away with a deliberate knock on when Ojo should have pinned his ears back.
Penultimate scrum - that wasn't a penalty, it was just a great scrum from Exe that folded us in two.
Few other dodgy scrum penalties, but then refs do guess.
Confidence (or lack of it) is such a big factor in elite sport, and the difference between winning and coming second.
Fundamentally we failed to take the chances we had, and Exe's forward's replacement were stronger.
How many thought we'd get a losing BP tonight and only concede 2 tries?
Hogg -deffo yellow for the deliberate trip (and he has a lot of form for that) and got away with a deliberate knock on when Ojo should have pinned his ears back.
Penultimate scrum - that wasn't a penalty, it was just a great scrum from Exe that folded us in two.
Few other dodgy scrum penalties, but then refs do guess.
Confidence (or lack of it) is such a big factor in elite sport, and the difference between winning and coming second.
Fundamentally we failed to take the chances we had, and Exe's forward's replacement were stronger.
How many thought we'd get a losing BP tonight and only concede 2 tries?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Jimmer1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 22:13
Sadly, was only going to end one way. Heroic and desparate defence only gets you so far...our half back replacements, particularly Simpson, were awful.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: bathstigg (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 22:13
Bath gave 110% effort tonight but it's bare bones obvious that this coaching set up and personnel won't turn it around. Interesting to see Conor o'Shea as a guest on BT.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 22:17
0-8 in the Premiership. Who keeps their job after that?
Tarquin and Hooper out.
Tarquin and Hooper out.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 22:22
Quote:malco
Ultimately we lost that game when we ran out of loosehead props. Will Vaughan at this stage of his career simply can not be expected to hold up the Exeter scrum five yards from his own line. The scrum went backwards, Ellis had to stay down to give Vaughan everything he'd got and Cipriani at guard somehow couldn't even get a hand on Simmonds running down the 10 channel. Bloody depressing really. Reid was excellent, typical that he joined the injury list. Hooper looked like he was trying not to cry at the end.
Summed it up for me
Gutted for the players and the coaches. That was an epic performance. Way above what I was expecting right up to the 75th minute but there was so much inevitability about the next 5
Had we been mid table then a LBP in that game context would have been a reasonably good indicator that we could be vying for top 4 come the run in
But we're not and it so painfully just shows how far off we actually are from where we want to be
A new defence coach and some extra hours for the psycho and physio team won't change that one bit
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 22:54
Exeter bench was always likely to be a big factor and so it proved. Fair comment re lack of ball carriers but we blew 2 good try-scoring opportunities and that lack of confidence /self-belief did mean there was a sense of inevitability about the defeat. People I stand with on the terrace were pretty positive about the performance, as was I. Some very committed defence which is something. Underhill was my pick but lots of decent performances. I don't think we're anything like as bad as some posters on here think but each to their own. When you're in a rut it's hard to break out of it and we won't win our next 2 games, but there are some winnable home games coming up so I won't despair just yet.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 23:03
0-8
Hooper it's time to be a man and stand down. It's a too big a job for you, no shame in admitting that. Not sure who can replace him but this is embarrassing now.
Hooper it's time to be a man and stand down. It's a too big a job for you, no shame in admitting that. Not sure who can replace him but this is embarrassing now.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 23:05
Quote:gaz59Quote:gaz59
Can't decide whether to watch the match tonight or another episode of Hell-bound. Both are horror shows, just not sure which will be the scarier
OK, have plucked up the courage to watch the scarier prog and got BT sport on now! Sweepstake on when Exeter get past 40 anyone?
68 minutes for me
First Exeter try? 6 minutes
Uh.. um... forgive me .... er .... sh$t ... forgive me ... um ..... uh .... forgive me
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 23:22
Not a big fan of finding positives in defeat, but there were some tonight.
Thought the players were excellent and clearly gave everything so well done to them. The team almost looked coherent at times.
The Rec actually had some atmosphere and for the first time this season we had things to cheer and get excited about.
It didn’t rain and it wasn’t that cold.
Only negative was small sections of Exeter fans showing their ignorance by wailing which I thought was going to be stopped. Clearly some of them aren’t too bright.
Thought the players were excellent and clearly gave everything so well done to them. The team almost looked coherent at times.
The Rec actually had some atmosphere and for the first time this season we had things to cheer and get excited about.
It didn’t rain and it wasn’t that cold.
Only negative was small sections of Exeter fans showing their ignorance by wailing which I thought was going to be stopped. Clearly some of them aren’t too bright.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2021 23:28
Tom R makes some good and fair points.
Tonight showed we are not as bad as some would claim.
We though need some hard ball carriers, a discipline reset and a renewed fixus in the front 5 - either personnel or coaching.
PG
PS. I would like a good second look at Hogg’s actions in the TdeG incident.
Tonight showed we are not as bad as some would claim.
We though need some hard ball carriers, a discipline reset and a renewed fixus in the front 5 - either personnel or coaching.
PG
PS. I would like a good second look at Hogg’s actions in the TdeG incident.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 00:19
Already knowing the result & that it was a surprisingly close game I settled down to watch it & did see some good endeavour but I knew it was going to end in yet another defeat & couldn’t drum up any enthusiasm. We are expected to be satisfied because we weren’t as bad as we expected, in fact quite a lot better but Exeter are not what they were, let’s be honest, & playing as we did I doubt there are many, if any, teams we would have beaten. Had there been a massive reset following the review I might have experienced some optimism but the likelihood of scraping along the bottom has little appeal.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 00:21
Well done Bath. The better team performance over 80 for me and lots of positive signs especially the commitment and team-work in defence. Feel for Ojomo who had a great game but could have walked his try in. Spencer back makes a huge difference for me and Bailey looked excellent all game including composed kicking from out wide. Great to see glimpses of the old Roko too.
The big take-away for me is a reminder of the quality that you have in that Bath team and so much of it younger players.
The big take-away for me is a reminder of the quality that you have in that Bath team and so much of it younger players.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 00:36
Maybe more coaches will help but it still concerns me that the coaching misses the obvious or is so rigid in thought that it can't contemplate different ways.
Take Cipriani - we all know what his defence is like. He doesn't need to defend the 10 channel at a scrum. The result probably would have been the same but it's that it doesn't seem to register.
Same with the seeming unawareness at certain kickoffs....
Take Cipriani - we all know what his defence is like. He doesn't need to defend the 10 channel at a scrum. The result probably would have been the same but it's that it doesn't seem to register.
Same with the seeming unawareness at certain kickoffs....
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 01:36
Good point The Bear. Maybe rotated Muir or Roko in?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 02:39
Just watched the game. We did not play badly for large chunks of the game and showed a vast improvement in energy but we showed no improvement whatsoever in any kind of rugby intelligence. Four points down, last play of the game and we try a speculative offload out of the tackle instead of just recycling the ball. I became very, very vocal at that point - Alexa (the USA version) is learning a lot of British swear words this season. I hope Miles Reid is OK but it did not look good and it was very noticeable how our forward energy levels dropped when he went off.
Austin's deconstruction of our defensive structure was both illuminating and depressing and Lol's antipathy to anything Bath continues to grate.
Carley fine, Exeter bang average and we still lost.
My MotM - OB2. A shining light on a dark night. I hope we can keep him but I'm not holding my breath. Fingers crossed his shoulder is OK.
It really is not beyond the bounds of possibility that we will not win a game this season.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Austin's deconstruction of our defensive structure was both illuminating and depressing and Lol's antipathy to anything Bath continues to grate.
Carley fine, Exeter bang average and we still lost.
My MotM - OB2. A shining light on a dark night. I hope we can keep him but I'm not holding my breath. Fingers crossed his shoulder is OK.
It really is not beyond the bounds of possibility that we will not win a game this season.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 02:41
Quote:OldMarovian
Good point The Bear. Maybe rotated Muir or Roko in?
It was Sam Simmonds with a run up from 5m. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Muir, Roko and Cipriani together.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 06:18
Exeter misfired but in fairness we made them misfire through the intensity of our defence. Hooper’s face at the end said it all though - that was the nearest thing we have to a winnable game in the 30-day grace period and we lost. Just don’t know where a win is coming from now. We won’t field a stronger starting XV than that.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 07:12
My normal llst of infuriatingly stupid things we did was much shorter than it has been.
Cips kicking the ball away to give them 10 yds
Not bringing on spencer (for ewels) with vaughan to give our 5th choice a fighting chance at scrum time
Mojo giving up a soft pen through laziness
Simpson being a negative impact sub- what on earth must fox and green think
As I say far fewer gripes than usual
Cips kicking the ball away to give them 10 yds
Not bringing on spencer (for ewels) with vaughan to give our 5th choice a fighting chance at scrum time
Mojo giving up a soft pen through laziness
Simpson being a negative impact sub- what on earth must fox and green think
As I say far fewer gripes than usual
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 07:27
Frustrating as felt before game and certainly during game that we were catching Exeter at a good time- they look at a bit of a low ebb. Never an easy task to turn over a team with that quality and experience but certainly a missed opp.
I agree that we lack a bit of composure, lack ball carriers, and we're outgunned from the bench which tbf is partially due to availability stil being v poor.
Having listed negatives about I certainly felt there were some positives.
Whether you want hoops/hats out or not that kind of performance and attitude from the players suggest they haven't lost the dressing room
We must keep this level of focus on set piece and defence- they are the fundamentals that give you a chance in games and we're much better. Keep prioritising them in training.
Bailey is starting to look class- that was a beautifully balanced performance. Lots of solid basics plus a few lovely touches like quick drop out and dinks over the top. Goalkicking looked v solid.
Spencer is absolutely excellent- pleasure to see hik back. need to sort out the options behind him as drop off is insane
Dunn looked far more at it to me
I will undoubtedly be called naive but I don't feel like our position can't be turned around by getting a bloody good extra coach in and getting recruitment spot on in the summer. Neither of those things will be easy though and let's face it the pressure on hoops/hats isn't going away as don't see us winning a game til christmas/new year period at best. If they go then fine by me.
I just feel like the review has happened, decisions have been made.....don't really see the fun in continually seeing everything through a glass half empty lens. I am philosophical about rugby these days- had an amazing 15 yrs and then a mediocre 20 years, it is there to be enjoyed rather than to make you miserable. I certainly enjoyed elements of last night and the atmosphere looked good.
I agree that we lack a bit of composure, lack ball carriers, and we're outgunned from the bench which tbf is partially due to availability stil being v poor.
Having listed negatives about I certainly felt there were some positives.
Whether you want hoops/hats out or not that kind of performance and attitude from the players suggest they haven't lost the dressing room
We must keep this level of focus on set piece and defence- they are the fundamentals that give you a chance in games and we're much better. Keep prioritising them in training.
Bailey is starting to look class- that was a beautifully balanced performance. Lots of solid basics plus a few lovely touches like quick drop out and dinks over the top. Goalkicking looked v solid.
Spencer is absolutely excellent- pleasure to see hik back. need to sort out the options behind him as drop off is insane
Dunn looked far more at it to me
I will undoubtedly be called naive but I don't feel like our position can't be turned around by getting a bloody good extra coach in and getting recruitment spot on in the summer. Neither of those things will be easy though and let's face it the pressure on hoops/hats isn't going away as don't see us winning a game til christmas/new year period at best. If they go then fine by me.
I just feel like the review has happened, decisions have been made.....don't really see the fun in continually seeing everything through a glass half empty lens. I am philosophical about rugby these days- had an amazing 15 yrs and then a mediocre 20 years, it is there to be enjoyed rather than to make you miserable. I certainly enjoyed elements of last night and the atmosphere looked good.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 08:28
Our main ball carriers are Faletau, Coetzee and Obano.
Having all three injured gives us a real problem.
Dunn and Stuart should be part of that group and have always been effective carriers in the past but for some reason this seems to have almost completely disappeared from their game this season.
Underhill seems to carry more for England than he does for Bath, but most of his carrying seems to be done from running lines at pace rather than making hard yards from the breakdown.
I think carrying is something Ellis should be focusing on with coaches. If he was able to add it more to his game he would become a really serious proposition at 6.
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Having all three injured gives us a real problem.
Dunn and Stuart should be part of that group and have always been effective carriers in the past but for some reason this seems to have almost completely disappeared from their game this season.
Underhill seems to carry more for England than he does for Bath, but most of his carrying seems to be done from running lines at pace rather than making hard yards from the breakdown.
I think carrying is something Ellis should be focusing on with coaches. If he was able to add it more to his game he would become a really serious proposition at 6.
Quote:charlieboa
Frustrating as felt before game and certainly during game that we were catching Exeter at a good time- they look at a bit of a low ebb. Never an easy task to turn over a team with that quality and experience but certainly a missed opp.
I agree that we lack a bit of composure, lack ball carriers, and we're outgunned from the bench which tbf is partially due to availability stil being v poor.
Having listed negatives about I certainly felt there were some positives.
Whether you want hoops/hats out or not that kind of performance and attitude from the players suggest they haven't lost the dressing room
We must keep this level of focus on set piece and defence- they are the fundamentals that give you a chance in games and we're much better. Keep prioritising them in training.
Bailey is starting to look class- that was a beautifully balanced performance. Lots of solid basics plus a few lovely touches like quick drop out and dinks over the top. Goalkicking looked v solid.
Spencer is absolutely excellent- pleasure to see hik back. need to sort out the options behind him as drop off is insane
Dunn looked far more at it to me
I will undoubtedly be called naive but I don't feel like our position can't be turned around by getting a bloody good extra coach in and getting recruitment spot on in the summer. Neither of those things will be easy though and let's face it the pressure on hoops/hats isn't going away as don't see us winning a game til christmas/new year period at best. If they go then fine by me.
I just feel like the review has happened, decisions have been made.....don't really see the fun in continually seeing everything through a glass half empty lens. I am philosophical about rugby these days- had an amazing 15 yrs and then a mediocre 20 years, it is there to be enjoyed rather than to make you miserable. I certainly enjoyed elements of last night and the atmosphere looked good.
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 08:44
Agree malco. Missing a key combo of players there.
I think underhill defo has the ability to make hard yds if we wanted to use him that way- currently head and shoulders above many players but big ask for him to do everything.
Ellis should be able to carry in heavy traffic- big guy, pretty athletic but tends not to do the role. Lawes is a good example of someone who has added that to their game over time.
I think coetzee is 100% the man they identified to fill that role but awful luck so far.
Thought slight return to form for dunn last night. Stuart has all the attributes to be a v effective carrier- if he has any designs on getting ahead of sinckler he needs to improve there.
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I think underhill defo has the ability to make hard yds if we wanted to use him that way- currently head and shoulders above many players but big ask for him to do everything.
Ellis should be able to carry in heavy traffic- big guy, pretty athletic but tends not to do the role. Lawes is a good example of someone who has added that to their game over time.
I think coetzee is 100% the man they identified to fill that role but awful luck so far.
Thought slight return to form for dunn last night. Stuart has all the attributes to be a v effective carrier- if he has any designs on getting ahead of sinckler he needs to improve there.
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 09:17
Never like losing, but at least it looked like we wanted it today.
Still not good enough, Cipriani doesn't look to be half the player we thought he still was.
Rather have Rhys or Freddie.
Still not good enough, Cipriani doesn't look to be half the player we thought he still was.
Rather have Rhys or Freddie.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 09:49
For the first time this season the game was almost enjoyable and the stadium was alive. As ever the players gave their all and looked knackered at the end, possibly deserved more but once Exeter got scrum dominance the result was inevitable.
On the big screen it certainly looked like Hogg deliberately changed direction to trip TDG in the first half, did the TMO review the incident?
On the big screen it certainly looked like Hogg deliberately changed direction to trip TDG in the first half, did the TMO review the incident?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 09:50
Quote:OutsideBath
For the first time this season the game was almost enjoyable and the stadium was alive. As ever the players gave their all and looked knackered at the end, possibly deserved more but once Exeter got scrum dominance the result was inevitable.
On the big screen it certainly looked like Hogg deliberately changed direction to trip TDG in the first half, did the TMO review the incident?
He knew what he was doing but just about subtle enough to get away with it. Commentators felt he was lucky.
Glad you took some pleasure from the game, I did as well despite the disappointment
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 09:56
Quote:charlieboaQuote:OutsideBath
For the first time this season the game was almost enjoyable and the stadium was alive. As ever the players gave their all and looked knackered at the end, possibly deserved more but once Exeter got scrum dominance the result was inevitable.
On the big screen it certainly looked like Hogg deliberately changed direction to trip TDG in the first half, did the TMO review the incident?
He knew what he was doing but just about subtle enough to get away with it. Commentators felt he was lucky.
Glad you took some pleasure from the game, I did as well despite the disappointment
Despite my critical posts about the coaching setup when I get to the Rec I do everything I can to enjoy the game and support the players. The fact I've got no voice this morning suggests I had a pretty good time.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 09:56
Long drive home last night gave me time to think about the match. Obviously plenty of effort from the players, good defence, but given the number of good players in the team and against an Exeter team who seemed out of sorts and lacking confidence we should have done much better.
The outcome of them long awaited report was that we needed a new defence coach, most would agree with that, but last night there seemed to be no cohesion, no thought out plan, just 15 players giving their all but effectively in attack playing like individuals and not a team. Missing some one running straight and hard at the defence, a couple of good chips from OB but we never really looked like scoring the later stages.
This is more than just the need for a new defence coach, it needs a completely new strategy for us to be able to put the opposition under pressure. As for most of the recent past we still have a soft underbelly.
I don't see anything changing with this current coaching staff in place, I used to enjoy watching Bath play but now I just come away feeling frustrated and fed up and I am sure the players must feel short changed by the club, it is their living, their careers are short and some of them must be looking elsewhere if nothing changes.
The outcome of them long awaited report was that we needed a new defence coach, most would agree with that, but last night there seemed to be no cohesion, no thought out plan, just 15 players giving their all but effectively in attack playing like individuals and not a team. Missing some one running straight and hard at the defence, a couple of good chips from OB but we never really looked like scoring the later stages.
This is more than just the need for a new defence coach, it needs a completely new strategy for us to be able to put the opposition under pressure. As for most of the recent past we still have a soft underbelly.
I don't see anything changing with this current coaching staff in place, I used to enjoy watching Bath play but now I just come away feeling frustrated and fed up and I am sure the players must feel short changed by the club, it is their living, their careers are short and some of them must be looking elsewhere if nothing changes.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 09:58
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:charlieboaQuote:OutsideBath
For the first time this season the game was almost enjoyable and the stadium was alive. As ever the players gave their all and looked knackered at the end, possibly deserved more but once Exeter got scrum dominance the result was inevitable.
On the big screen it certainly looked like Hogg deliberately changed direction to trip TDG in the first half, did the TMO review the incident?
He knew what he was doing but just about subtle enough to get away with it. Commentators felt he was lucky.
Glad you took some pleasure from the game, I did as well despite the disappointment
Despite my critical posts about the coaching setup when I get to the Rec I do everything I can to enjoy the game and support the players. The fact I've got no voice this morning suggests I had a pretty good time.
Nothing wrong with constructive criticism and as you say need to try and take some pleasure from some games otherwise what's the point
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: stephen4944 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 10:09
Quote:joethefanatic Lol's antipathy to anything Bath continues to grate.[/quote
I didn't see the post match analysis, but I was actually surprised by the lack of anti-Bath sentiment from Lol during the match. There were definitely at least 3 occasions he praised us or said we'd been unlucky with the ref. For him, that's a glowing review.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 10:12
I was staggered by lol occasionally not favouring the opposition. No idea what bath did to him but it clearly still burns.... must really dislike Exeter!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 10:35
Oh it's almost worth when Lol isn't criticising us, it's pity
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 10:45
OK there were some dim, avoidable penalties and Exeter were some way from their destructive best but overall it was a far better, stronger more cohesive performance.
So what was the difference from recent embarrassing efforts? The Spencer effect?
So what was the difference from recent embarrassing efforts? The Spencer effect?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 10:46
I have finally watched the game. Firstly well done boys those players played themselves into the ground for that shirt and deserve all the plaudits they got - didn't think Carley was an issue in the result TBH.
The problem is we lost the match haven given that amount of effort and commitment which is unsustainable and still we lost against a good team. I don't buy into the Chiefs weren't playing well it was more a case we did not allow then to play.
It was a shame that Chiefs bench as expected was too strong for us.
I will be honest even if we had won that game and probably we did enough to do so it does not for me change the fact at times we looked like Rabbits in headlights no cohesion or collective drive, think it was mentioned a few times on commentary we need direction.
I did note on Hoopers post match interview his left ear was bright red on fire - someone talking about him behind his back?
My honest conclusion the players were excellent last night but it highlighted how much a need a change in the coaching team and direction ASAP and my opinion on that subject has not diminished one bit - that was a game we definately should have won and the players effort deserved.
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The problem is we lost the match haven given that amount of effort and commitment which is unsustainable and still we lost against a good team. I don't buy into the Chiefs weren't playing well it was more a case we did not allow then to play.
It was a shame that Chiefs bench as expected was too strong for us.
I will be honest even if we had won that game and probably we did enough to do so it does not for me change the fact at times we looked like Rabbits in headlights no cohesion or collective drive, think it was mentioned a few times on commentary we need direction.
I did note on Hoopers post match interview his left ear was bright red on fire - someone talking about him behind his back?
My honest conclusion the players were excellent last night but it highlighted how much a need a change in the coaching team and direction ASAP and my opinion on that subject has not diminished one bit - that was a game we definately should have won and the players effort deserved.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:11:27:10:59:49 by Ali1969.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 11:28
I watched on TV but it was nice to emit a good helping of ‘yesssss’ and ‘get in’ and and a lot of clench-fist muttering of ‘c’mon, c’mon, c’mon’ rather than this season’s standard response of weary, resigned ‘oh ffs’. Feeling ‘involved’ is a pretty basic return on (emotional) investment though.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 11:29
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 11:51
I made it to the game. There are lots of comments on here about Exeter being mediocre. Hmm I think Bath found their defensive intensity and made them look a little average in attack.
Added to that I think that Exe are struggling to come to terms with no pre -latching of the entire pack and better insistence that they stay on their feet at rucks and hitting rucks at speed is a card waiting to happen. If only the refs would penalise coming in at the side of rucks that would get their forwards almost legal.
Spencer B. Seemed to be the factor that got Bath moving hopefully he can stay fit. I wasn’t convinced with the Cipriani signing, my commitment at the time was …meh. I have seen nothing to change that. Bailey head and shoulders above him on current performance level.
Added to that I think that Exe are struggling to come to terms with no pre -latching of the entire pack and better insistence that they stay on their feet at rucks and hitting rucks at speed is a card waiting to happen. If only the refs would penalise coming in at the side of rucks that would get their forwards almost legal.
Spencer B. Seemed to be the factor that got Bath moving hopefully he can stay fit. I wasn’t convinced with the Cipriani signing, my commitment at the time was …meh. I have seen nothing to change that. Bailey head and shoulders above him on current performance level.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Rampant (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 12:00
The boys gave everything they have last night and it was great to see that fight back in them
However there seems to be a lack of an effective player leadership group in the squad.
This is especially noticeable in the Backs.
An emergency call to the Ant Middleton for a training session is needed..
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
However there seems to be a lack of an effective player leadership group in the squad.
This is especially noticeable in the Backs.
An emergency call to the Ant Middleton for a training session is needed..
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 12:27
I do wish we would not give all these penalties away for holding on. Surely it has to be better to let them have the ball than let them kick and then win the lineout 40 - 50 yards further down the field.
I don't know the penalty count but guess it was 15 of which I suspect 6 - 7 were for holding as Dallaglio said more than 10 you probably lose the match, something I understand Clive Woodward also said.
I don't know the penalty count but guess it was 15 of which I suspect 6 - 7 were for holding as Dallaglio said more than 10 you probably lose the match, something I understand Clive Woodward also said.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 13:34
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
I don't know the penalty count but guess it was 15 of which I suspect 6 - 7 were for holding as Dallaglio said more than 10 you probably lose the match, something I understand Clive Woodward also said.
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Bath 17 penalties (of which Max O had 3), Exeter 8 pens.
Possession and territory fairly even. Bath had a better tackle %. Underhill made 17 tackles and missed 1.
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 13:59
Just watching it again, Max was in, Hogg was never getting there.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 14:04
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
I don't know the penalty count but guess it was 15 of which I suspect 6 - 7 were for holding as Dallaglio said more than 10 you probably lose the match, something I understand Clive Woodward also said.
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Bath 17 penalties (of which Max O had 3), Exeter 8 pens.
Possession and territory fairly even. Bath had a better tackle %. Underhill made 17 tackles and missed 1.
Thats a risk with young players like Mojo and Orlando, 3 penalties isn't brilliant but its only a problem if he doesn't learn from it. Mojo from all accounts is very attentive to details so I don't see it as a problem.
Malco pointed out that SU plays a different role when he plays for England, (as a ball carrier). I agree with that you don't go from made 2 missed 2, to made 17 missed 1 in a week.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 14:24
That Simmonds try at the end, everyone knew it was coming.....apart from the Bath players.
Shocking from Pro rugby players.
Hooper hire a defensive coach who watches the Premiership!!!!
Shocking from Pro rugby players.
Hooper hire a defensive coach who watches the Premiership!!!!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 15:00
What makes you think the Bath players didn't know it was coming?
There's a huge, huge difference between knowing that something is coming, and being able to do anything about it.
Is there any back in world rugby who you'd put money on to prevent Sam Underhill coming at pace off a stable/advancing platform?
A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything
RAEBURN SHIELD
There's a huge, huge difference between knowing that something is coming, and being able to do anything about it.
Is there any back in world rugby who you'd put money on to prevent Sam Underhill coming at pace off a stable/advancing platform?
RAEBURN SHIELD
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 16:15
I think they 100% knew it was coming. They cop a lot of criticism but ellis had to stay down to help our 5th choice loosehead try and hold an England International tighthead. I don't think any 10 would back themselves to stop simmonds from 5 yds out.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 17:44
Yeah Mojo had a poor game by his standards and, tbh probably cost us the result. I'm inclined to be more charitable to him than others. It's a learning point.
I remember about a decade ago Hooper played out of position at 6 against Glaws and had a shocker. I think after that he barely made another mistake the whole season. Good example to learn from.
The Simmonds try was not caused by the defence in that phase, it was the failure, twice, to clear our lines properly when we had the opportunity.
I remember about a decade ago Hooper played out of position at 6 against Glaws and had a shocker. I think after that he barely made another mistake the whole season. Good example to learn from.
The Simmonds try was not caused by the defence in that phase, it was the failure, twice, to clear our lines properly when we had the opportunity.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 17:47
Quote:hasta
Yeah Mojo had a poor game by his standards and, tbh probably cost us the result. I'm inclined to be more charitable to him than others. It's a learning point.
I remember about a decade ago Hooper played out of position at 6 against Glaws and had a shocker. I think after that he barely made another mistake the whole season. Good example to learn from.
The Simmonds try was not caused by the defence in that phase, it was the failure, twice, to clear our lines properly when we had the opportunity.
It was primarily caused by being mangled in the previous scrum.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2021 18:07
Yes that was one of the two previous opportunities to clear our lines.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 28/11/2021 09:35
Parsons Choice really..............stay locked down trying to stop the scrum moving towards the line knowing that Simmonds would pick up and the only hope was he would drop it, we would pick up and clear to touch, (a scrum to us would only have had the same consequence - see technical point thread) OR don't commit to the scrum see it moving forward at pace and see Simmonds score a pushover try.
As some on posted above don't get into that situation in the first place!
As some on posted above don't get into that situation in the first place!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 28/11/2021 09:58
For what it's worth, I thought Carley reffed the game well.
He did err though on the Hogg/De Glanville incident - definite push and should have been a penalty.
PG
He did err though on the Hogg/De Glanville incident - definite push and should have been a penalty.
PG
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/11/2021 10:07
Quote:P G Tips
For what it's worth, I thought Carley reffed the game well.
He did err though on the Hogg/De Glanville incident - definite push and should have been a penalty.
PG
Completely agree on Carley's reffing overall [for what little I know about it!] but if it was a penalty then surely it had to be a yellow card given the position and situation?
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 28/11/2021 10:19
Yes gaz
Logical consequence.
PG
Logical consequence.
PG
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 28/11/2021 11:16
Hogg was v clever- just subtle enough to sow the seed of doubt for the officials to not want to penalise and then have to card as you say.
Generally I thought carley was fine and is much improved
Generally I thought carley was fine and is much improved
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 28/11/2021 13:00
Hogg is an excellent professional
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 28/11/2021 13:14
Carley didn't get many big decisions clearly wrong but lots of little penalties went against us and not Exeter. Yet another problem with being seen as a losing team.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/11/2021 14:22
We experienced way worse than Carley who has improved dramatically. My main beef with all refs is not policing the offside line (which closes down all the space to actually play rugby instead of just collisions) and as seen repeatedly Friday night ignoring in at the side of rucks. This enables more to be illegally added to the ruck and slows down the oppo’s ball.
There is no need to change the laws just implement them
There is no need to change the laws just implement them
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 28/11/2021 14:56
Spot on TGK- that was Nigel Owens' parting shot too.
PG
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Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 07:24
Quote:Never In Doubt
Yet another problem with being seen as a losing team.
I don't buy that referees are biased against certain teams but agree that favouring a dominant/"better" team is a pretty well know thing. I thought Carley had a good game and even the Hogg incident I think he actually referred it and the TMO said nothing to see so it wasn't really his poor call.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 09:33
Quote:OldMarovianQuote:Never In Doubt
Yet another problem with being seen as a losing team.
I don't buy that referees are biased against certain teams but agree that favouring a dominant/"better" team is a pretty well know thing. I thought Carley had a good game and even the Hogg incident I think he actually referred it and the TMO said nothing to see so it wasn't really his poor call.
Not sure that NID meant a specific team, more as you described the dominant team at that phase of the game OM.
The double penalty ruling penalty plus card, is too severe for some of the infringements.
My personal feeling is that reds are too frequently used, an (technical) early red actually ruins the game often being a deciding factor, as a spectator I lose interest. I'd like to see a double yellow, 20 mins, and an introduction of an orange card to indicate that.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 09:44
Current ref practise does seem to benefit the (perceived) dominant team.
Examples - team A throws crooked into lineout, forcing opponents to jump across if they are to compete. Team B penalised. Team A kicks 40M downfield and repeats the process (this was picked up by Ben Kay in Quins v L Irish match on saturday). Team A gains reward (indeed double reward) for infringing while Team B is denied a principle of the game (Fair & open competition for the ball.)
Similar has happened frequently this season at the scrum- the side who wheeled the scrum (now no longer permitted and a penalisable offence) are actually awarded the penalty.
PG
Examples - team A throws crooked into lineout, forcing opponents to jump across if they are to compete. Team B penalised. Team A kicks 40M downfield and repeats the process (this was picked up by Ben Kay in Quins v L Irish match on saturday). Team A gains reward (indeed double reward) for infringing while Team B is denied a principle of the game (Fair & open competition for the ball.)
Similar has happened frequently this season at the scrum- the side who wheeled the scrum (now no longer permitted and a penalisable offence) are actually awarded the penalty.
PG
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 12:05
Absolutely not saying that refs are biased against specific teams just that underdogs are seen as more likely to infringe as they are the weaker team and may also be more likely to stretch the rules.
At the moment that is definitely us. Had we been higher up the table and viewed as equal to Exeter then I don't think the penalty count would have been 17-8 against us.
It is very much a sub-conscious issue.
At the moment that is definitely us. Had we been higher up the table and viewed as equal to Exeter then I don't think the penalty count would have been 17-8 against us.
It is very much a sub-conscious issue.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 14:06
Quote:Never In Doubt
Absolutely not saying that refs are biased against specific teams just that underdogs are seen as more likely to infringe as they are the weaker team and may also be more likely to stretch the rules.
At the moment that is definitely us. Had we been higher up the table and viewed as equal to Exeter then I don't think the penalty count would have been 17-8 against us.
It is very much a sub-conscious issue.
My perception is the penalty count was largely against us because our scrum was destroyed in the second half leading to a penalty for every scrum
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 15:06
I agree in the last 20 minutes but the only penalty given away by our replacements was 1 by Ellis. We lost because we don't have the depth in our pack and if we fix that the 50/50 penalties should go our way.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 16:27
Quote:TG Kesmo
We experienced way worse than Carley who has improved dramatically. My main beef with all refs is not policing the offside line (which closes down all the space to actually play rugby instead of just collisions) and as seen repeatedly Friday night ignoring in at the side of rucks. This enables more to be illegally added to the ruck and slows down the oppo’s ball.
There is no need to change the laws just implement them
Exeter seem to really push the boundaries at the ruck by having the tackler contest and try to disrupt the ruck so long as they fall on the right side. Once they get the attackers off balance other guys join in. I don't know how they get away with it.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 16:41
The two 'killer' avoidable penalties were McNally not releasing straight from the kick-off in the second half and Mojo lazy running.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 17:10
A real shame for him hasta and with that and the try he tried to pass that he could have run in that's quite a swing in points. Tbf he had a very strong game otherwise and looks a cracking young player.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: ShortyinBurnham (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 18:08
Quote:charlieboa
My normal llst of infuriatingly stupid things we did was much shorter than it has been.
Cips kicking the ball away to give them 10 yds
Not bringing on spencer (for ewels) with vaughan to give our 5th choice a fighting chance at scrum time
Mojo giving up a soft pen through laziness
Simpson being a negative impact sub- what on earth must fox and green think
As I say far fewer gripes than usual
What really annoyed me about the 10 yds for Cips kicking the ball away, was that Exeter had been doing the whole match with nothing done about it. Even their No. 4 did it straight after half time, and yet nothing. But as soon as Exeter flap their arms and complain, we get marched back 10.
Either penalise teams for it every time, or not at all, but be consistent!
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 20:19
Quote:OldMarovian
A real shame for him hasta and with that and the try he tried to pass that he could have run in that's quite a swing in points. Tbf he had a very strong game otherwise and looks a cracking young player.
I'm sure he will look at that try blown and realise either his pass was a fraction too late or, far better, a quick show and go and it was an easy walk in. But so easy to shout out from the comfort of my sofa
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 21:42
Quote:gaz59Quote:OldMarovian
A real shame for him hasta and with that and the try he tried to pass that he could have run in that's quite a swing in points. Tbf he had a very strong game otherwise and looks a cracking young player.
I'm sure he will look at that try blown and realise either his pass was a fraction too late or, far better, a quick show and go and it was an easy walk in. But so easy to shout out from the comfort of my sofa
Yeah I would have expected hogg to go for the tackle on mojo rather than gamble on an intercept so not surprised he felt the offload was the best option.
Not sure he did too much wrong in the moment without the benefit of hindsight as you say.
Made a couple of errors but as a 21 yr old playing in a losing team every week his performances are standing up well.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2021 22:48
Mojo is great. He definitely made two mistakes and we shouldn't pretend those didn't happen, but he's still a fantastic prospect.
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2021 09:36
Quote:hasta
Mojo is great. He definitely made two mistakes and we shouldn't pretend those didn't happen, but he's still a fantastic prospect.
Yep and far better to make those kind of mistakes now and learn from them
Re: A QUESTION OF IDENTITY. BATH v EXETER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2021 09:51
Quote:gaz59Quote:hasta
Mojo is great. He definitely made two mistakes and we shouldn't pretend those didn't happen, but he's still a fantastic prospect.
Yep and far better to make those kind of mistakes now and learn from them
Far better to not make them at all!!*
(* said in jest. He's a fantastic player and is massively in credit across the season).
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