NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Spencer: pivotal
By PG Tips
December 1 2021
Bath may need a miracle to come away from Franklin’s Gardens with any points on Saturday afternoon. After 9 Premiership rounds, Saints are within reach of the heavens in 4th, while Bath remain stuck in the purgatory of 13th place. In winning 5 out of 8, Saints have mixed efficient set piece and driving forward play with fluent attack well, most recently in a try bonus 20-36 triumph over Bristol at Ashton Gate. Bath, without a try bonus and only 15 scored so far, seem badly in need of a miracle.
Saints have endured mixed results over the past 5 seasons under DOR Chris Boyd, but are showing signs of the all-round game he planned on arrival from Wellington Hurricanes. Their game starts with the basics, founded on a big pack and the tactical control of Biggar at fly half. Once they gain the edge in territory or possession, their transition to attack is swift, aggressive and executed at speed, with plenty of support runners backing up any break. Danger men are Ribbans, Ratuniyarawa, Ludlam and Lawes up front (the latter in the form of his life as stand-in England Captain) and Mitchell, Procter, Furbank and Skosan in the backs. Visiting indiscipline is ruthlessly punished by Biggar’s reliable boot.
Of 3 defeats, 2 have come away from home, at Sale and Wasps, neither easy venues to snatch a result. More worrying for Saints was a heavy home defeat, conceding 7 tries to derby rivals Leicester Tigers. Two months ago they were also given a shock at home by London Irish who made hay with driving mauls exposing Saints vulnerability on retreat. The result was 2 yellow cards for the home team and 3 tries for Irish -1 a penalty try. Perhaps that offers Bath a glimmer of hope?
Whatever was said behind closed doors seemed to galvanise Bath last Friday night. In a performance of character and defensive grit they harassed Exeter into error, led for most of the game and, with a little more composure -and luck- could have scored twice more to seal the game. They did not largely because Chiefs’ replacements were stronger than Bath’s in the final ten minutes.
Supporters though remain sceptics, especially about the thin output so far revealed of the Griffith’s report. They want results as well as improvement – that is what professional sport is all about. Fans will look to Ben Spencer, pivotal in so much of Bath’s good play, and the returning internationals to lead the search for salvation.
An all-out, eighty plus minute effort from the whole 23 will be needed. Or perhaps Bath can belatedly discover a patron saint to deliver a miracle?
Possible Teams:
Bath Rugby: Boyce, Dunn, Stuart, Ewels (Capt.) McNally, Ellis, Underhill, Bayliss. Spencer, Bailey. Muir, Ojomoh, Joseph, Rokodoguni. De Glanville.
Replacements:, Du Toit, Cordwell, Rae, W Spencer, De Carpentier. Fox, Cipriani, McConnochie.
Northampton Saints: Waller, Fish, Hill, Ribbans, Moon, Lawes, Ludlam, Augustus. Mitchell, Biggar. Skosan, Dingwall, Procter, Freeman. Furbank.
Replacements: Matavesi, Iyugon, Carey, Ratuniyarawa, Wilkins. James, Hutchinson, Gillespie.
NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 08:22
Bookies have Saints at 6/19 for the win, Bath 18/5 this morning, it may change when teams are announced...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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My mind's been going places without me lately - Bushfire The B52's
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 08:29
Totally agree about Courtney Lawes. Form of his life and a VERY good captain.
Saints by 15.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Saints by 15.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 08:38
Quote:joethefanatic
Totally agree about Courtney Lawes. Form of his life and a VERY good captain.
Saints by 15.
Bookies [Paddy Power] have a 9 point spread...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 08:44
Quote:Clarkey3kQuote:joethefanatic
Totally agree about Courtney Lawes. Form of his life and a VERY good captain.
Saints by 15.
Bookies [Paddy Power] have a 9 point spread...
That does not feel like enough. Even 15 is conservative. Saints score very quickly once they get on top and get on top they will.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 08:51
They were right last week about the Exeter spread. I am taking heart from a much improved defensive performance last Friday but feel we will leave FG with nothing...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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My mind's been going places without me lately - Bushfire The B52's
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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My mind's been going places without me lately - Bushfire The B52's
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 10:06
I expect some valiant efforts but basically behind by more than a score for most of the game.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 10:16
I think 'travel in hope rather than expectation' just about covers it.
I have close family who are Saints STH including a keen grandson. Saints have had a rather poor couple of years but now revived. I have in the past decade or so always travelled up to FG and never ever had a Bath win (hope I am correct in this but that's how it fels). Even in the good old days of Borthwick n Grewcock etc.
So I await the usual 'commiserations' crowing...........
But in sport one just never knows and I expect Bath to at least keep the score within a reasonable range!
Edit: I was wrong. Bath won in 2016 and 2020. Two matches I wasn't able to attend so apologies.
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I have close family who are Saints STH including a keen grandson. Saints have had a rather poor couple of years but now revived. I have in the past decade or so always travelled up to FG and never ever had a Bath win (hope I am correct in this but that's how it fels). Even in the good old days of Borthwick n Grewcock etc.
So I await the usual 'commiserations' crowing...........
But in sport one just never knows and I expect Bath to at least keep the score within a reasonable range!
Edit: I was wrong. Bath won in 2016 and 2020. Two matches I wasn't able to attend so apologies.
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Murty7 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 10:25
It must be you Annie as the last 2 games without crowds at FG we have won.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 11:25
Injuries - [www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 11:26
Injury latest:
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Reid & Faletau definite to miss out this weekend. better news on possible January return for Redpath & Cokanasiga.
PG
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Reid & Faletau definite to miss out this weekend. better news on possible January return for Redpath & Cokanasiga.
PG
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 11:35
Quote:Discussing Reid’s latest injury, Bath head coach Neal Hatley said: “....He is still a bit sore and ginger.
No need to kick a man when he's down, Hats!
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 11:57
Quote:SJSQuote:Discussing Reid’s latest injury, Bath head coach Neal Hatley said: “....He is still a bit sore and ginger.
No need to kick a man when he's down, Hats!
Not even sure what that means, he can't be having a go at his hair colour surely! Good spot SJS.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 12:39
If we play like we did against Exeter we should lose by less than 20pts, not sure we’ll be good enough for a LBP though.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Awp (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 13:24
No mention of Baileys injury in the news report. Was having a scan yesterday on his shoulder. Wouldn’t be surprised if Cipriani started this weekend.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 15:20
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:SJSQuote:Discussing Reid’s latest injury, Bath head coach Neal Hatley said: “....He is still a bit sore and ginger.
No need to kick a man when he's down, Hats!
Not even sure what that means, he can't be having a go at his hair colour surely! Good spot SJS.
I think he probably meant Miles is moving gingerly, as in cautiously, but didn't express it very well!
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 16:12
Hatley has confirmed Cips starting this weekend.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2021 19:38
Quote:hasta
Hatley has confirmed Cips starting this weekend.
Thought Bailey was quality on Friday but no issue with a bit of mixing and matching this season, esp if he is carrying a knock.
Cips has no chance of running himself into any form without some game time. As hats says his season has been v interrupted.
Bailey definitely the answer for me going beyond this season.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: NGSB (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2021 08:59
Couple of points from The Gardens.
Every weekend is a match closer to Bath getting that first win of the season.
Saints, unfortunately, have a habit of under-estimating teams and don' t be too surprised if a couple of 'names' are rested with Europe just around the corner.
Might be a lot closer than you think.......safe travels
Every weekend is a match closer to Bath getting that first win of the season.
Saints, unfortunately, have a habit of under-estimating teams and don' t be too surprised if a couple of 'names' are rested with Europe just around the corner.
Might be a lot closer than you think.......safe travels
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2021 12:05
Quote:Aberavon Wizard
Couple of points from The Gardens.
Every weekend is a match closer to Bath getting that first win of the season.
Saints, unfortunately, have a habit of under-estimating teams and don' t be too surprised if a couple of 'names' are rested with Europe just around the corner.
Might be a lot closer than you think.......safe travels
I think it's significantly likely that Bath will write this game off and rest a lot of players ahead of the European games.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2021 15:22
Karl Dickson officiating - Well that is a lottery then.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2021 15:52
Quote:Ali1969
Karl Dickson officiating - Well that is a lottery then.
If only our chances were as good as winning the lottery
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2021 17:06
Quote:malcoQuote:Aberavon Wizard
Couple of points from The Gardens.
Every weekend is a match closer to Bath getting that first win of the season.
Saints, unfortunately, have a habit of under-estimating teams and don' t be too surprised if a couple of 'names' are rested with Europe just around the corner.
Might be a lot closer than you think.......safe travels
I think it's significantly likely that Bath will write this game off and rest a lot of players ahead of the European games.
I'd very much prefer we approached it the other way around.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 07:12
/quote]
I think it's significantly likely that Bath will write this game off and rest a lot of players ahead of the European games.[/quote]
I'd very much prefer we approached it the other way around.[/quote]
Agree Joe. Tough ask but getting something out of saints game far more likely than doing anything in europe
I think it's significantly likely that Bath will write this game off and rest a lot of players ahead of the European games.[/quote]
I'd very much prefer we approached it the other way around.[/quote]
Agree Joe. Tough ask but getting something out of saints game far more likely than doing anything in europe
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 07:18
Team largely picks itself - will be half decent with some consistency from last week.
You never know, I would never completely write off a tesm along the below lines: tdg, rmc, jj, mojo, muir, cips, spencer, boyce, dunn, stuart, mcnally, ewels, ellis, underhill, bayliss.
Absentees are felt a but I'm terms of depth.maybe cordwell, du toit, rae, spencer, rdc, fox, bailey, roko.
I personally would have richards on the bench and have him in the 23 most weeks with a view to next season
You never know, I would never completely write off a tesm along the below lines: tdg, rmc, jj, mojo, muir, cips, spencer, boyce, dunn, stuart, mcnally, ewels, ellis, underhill, bayliss.
Absentees are felt a but I'm terms of depth.maybe cordwell, du toit, rae, spencer, rdc, fox, bailey, roko.
I personally would have richards on the bench and have him in the 23 most weeks with a view to next season
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:10
Team Up. Butt starts.
Bath Rugby team to play Northampton Saints
15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Will Butt, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Will Muir, 10 Danny Cipriani, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Lewis Boyce, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss
Replacements
16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Will Vaughan, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Mike Williams, 20 Richard de Carpentier, 21 Ewan Richards, 22 Ollie Fox, 23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
Bath Rugby team to play Northampton Saints
15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Will Butt, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Will Muir, 10 Danny Cipriani, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Lewis Boyce, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss
Replacements
16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Will Vaughan, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Mike Williams, 20 Richard de Carpentier, 21 Ewan Richards, 22 Ollie Fox, 23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:10
Can't cut and paste the team as they insist on making it a jpg, so here's the unavailable XV instead - Joe C as emergency no8 and Redpath filling in at 9.
Beno Obano, Tom Doughty, Juan Schoeman
Taulupe Faletau, Ethan Staddon
Miles Reid, Jaco Coetzee, Joe Cokanasiga
Cameron Redpath, Orlando Bailey
Tian Schoeman, Max Clark
Jonathan Joseph, Ruaridh McConnochie, Anthony Watson
Beno Obano, Tom Doughty, Juan Schoeman
Taulupe Faletau, Ethan Staddon
Miles Reid, Jaco Coetzee, Joe Cokanasiga
Cameron Redpath, Orlando Bailey
Tian Schoeman, Max Clark
Jonathan Joseph, Ruaridh McConnochie, Anthony Watson
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:12
What's happened to Will Spencer now ?
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:24
That doesn't look like the worst front 5 we've put out all season.
Concerned about the drop off of the front row though.
Having Richards and Williams in should provide some needed ballast if required at 2nd row and I thought Chippy has done well when he's played.
I guess if Cips gets clattered/dies of old age, it's TDG to 10 and Muir or Gabe to 15?
Concerned about the drop off of the front row though.
Having Richards and Williams in should provide some needed ballast if required at 2nd row and I thought Chippy has done well when he's played.
I guess if Cips gets clattered/dies of old age, it's TDG to 10 and Muir or Gabe to 15?
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:24
Happy that Butt is getting an opportunity around some genuine 'first teamers' in the backs. Cippers needs to show that he's still got premiership rugby in him. Bench doesn't look strong enough, but good to see Richards included - I've got high hopes for him.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Saint Maul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:25
Northampton Saints team:
15 George Furbank
14 Tommy Freeman
13 Fraser Dingwall
12 Rory Hutchinson
11 Courtnall Skosan
10 Dan Biggar
9 Alex Mitchell
1 Alex Waller
2 Sam Matavesi
3 Ehren Painter
4 David Ribbans
5 Alex Moon
6 Karl Wilkins
7 Lewis Ludlam (c)
8 Juarno Augustus
Replacements:
16 James Fish
17 Nick Auterac
18 Paul Hill
19 Api Ratuniyarawa
20 Alex Coles
21 Tom James
22 Tom Litchfield
23 Ollie Sleightholme
You'll need to be on your game. We are virtually first choice - Lawes and Proctor are missing.
15 George Furbank
14 Tommy Freeman
13 Fraser Dingwall
12 Rory Hutchinson
11 Courtnall Skosan
10 Dan Biggar
9 Alex Mitchell
1 Alex Waller
2 Sam Matavesi
3 Ehren Painter
4 David Ribbans
5 Alex Moon
6 Karl Wilkins
7 Lewis Ludlam (c)
8 Juarno Augustus
Replacements:
16 James Fish
17 Nick Auterac
18 Paul Hill
19 Api Ratuniyarawa
20 Alex Coles
21 Tom James
22 Tom Litchfield
23 Ollie Sleightholme
You'll need to be on your game. We are virtually first choice - Lawes and Proctor are missing.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:26
I suppose with a combination of Dickson on the whistle and Williams playing, it's only a question of time as to when we're red carded.
Anyone want to hazard a guess at the number of cards overall? I'm going with one red (for us), plus a yellow apiece.
Anyone want to hazard a guess at the number of cards overall? I'm going with one red (for us), plus a yellow apiece.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:52
Quote:SJS
That doesn't look like the worst front 5 we've put out all season.
Concerned about the drop off of the front row though.
Having Richards and Williams in should provide some needed ballast if required at 2nd row and I thought Chippy has done well when he's played.
I guess if Cips gets clattered/dies of old age, it's TDG to 10 and Muir or Gabe to 15?
Yep.....or ben spencer to 10 with fox at 9 possibly
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:53
Quote:Optimist
What's happened to Will Spencer now?
Guess it's either
1) injured yet again. Infuriating
2) coaches don't think it's important to get any time into one of our only 3 frontline locks. Odd
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:54
Richards in the 23 is good news.
Down to the bare bones in the backs!
Down to the bare bones in the backs!
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: redmix (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 12:59
Quote:charlieboa
Down to the bare bones in the backs!
Bit harsh on Danny Cipriani, he's not that old
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 13:01
Quote:He's been pushed from 4th choice lock, to 4th choice lock.Optimist
What's happened to Will Spencer now?
Hardly a revelation
RAEBURN SHIELD
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 13:07
Quote:Which TylerQuote:He's been pushed from 4th choice lock, to 4th choice lock.Optimist
What's happened to Will Spencer now?
Hardly a revelation
Behind mcnally, ewels and williams?
He is a much better lock than williams imho and needs some game time. Bizarre he didn't come on last week to bolster the scrum given he is an excellent scrummager.
I would say I trust hoops when it comes to second rows....but I don't....
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 13:10
Williams in to cover 6 as well as lock? Bit surprised that Richards is in ahead of Spencer but who knows what the thought process is anymore.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 13:15
I would have richards covering 6. Spencer over williams at the lock option for me but each to their own.
I seem to find myself disagreeing with many many selection decisions but they are the experts
I seem to find myself disagreeing with many many selection decisions but they are the experts
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 13:45
I seriously hope Spencer doesn’t decide to go on a box-kicking fest all afternoon. I’d rather see us give it a lash. Cipriani could put Will Butt on some nice hard lines, and if he can hold on to the ball he ought to do some damage.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 13:49
I predict we are going to come second.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 14:43
Quote:malco
I predict we are going to come second.
I'm sure the team appreciate your support.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 14:56
One of these days we'll click. There are still too many good players in that team not to come good at some point ... he says, wearily, hopefully, against all odds'ly.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 15:06
Quote:hemingtonQuote:malco
I predict we are going to come second.
I'm sure the team appreciate your support.
If you have a look at the Prediction league you'll see that everybody else if if the same opinion.
There is optimism, there is pessimism and there is realism.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 15:13
Will you feel better for getting it right or wrong?
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 15:23
Quote:Clarkey3k
Bookies have Saints at 6/19 for the win, Bath 18/5 this morning, it may change when teams are announced...
Now 1/4 for Saints and 4/1 for Bath; points spread out to 11...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 15:27
Please remember folks, don’t post any streams of the match on this thread. Not because it’s illegal, mostly because there’s a risk I might see the game.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 15:28
Quote:hemington
Will you feel better for getting it right or wrong?
I want Bath to win. Every match. I'm realistic enough to know when this is not likely to happen. I want the necessary changes to be made to the club as quickly as possible, so that this no longer remains a continually recurring matter.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 15:31
Quote:Murty7
It must be you Annie as the last 2 games without crowds at FG we have won.
This BBC preview states we have "done the double over Saints in each of the last 4 campaigns" [www.bbc.co.uk]
I didn't think that was the case & I would be delighted if we can maintain this record. Just can't see it tbh...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 15:33
You haven't answered my question. Bath lose and you feel exonerated. Bath win and you accept that you got it wrong. Which would you prefer? Sounds like you want us to lose so changes will be made.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 15:48
Why does McConnochie not start these days? No slight against Roko or Muir but McConnochie is more accomplished on his day.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 16:12
Quote:The Bear
Why does McConnochie not start these days? No slight against Roko or Muir but McConnochie is more accomplished on his day.
I think he has another knock- v injury interrupted season so far.
I agree, for me he is in the first xv whenever he is available and in any kind of form.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 16:12
Quote:The Bear
Why does McConnochie not start these days? No slight against Roko or Muir but McConnochie is more accomplished on his day.
And the best option for a switch to fullback if our 15 is injured...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 17:29
Quote:Saint Maul
Northampton Saints team:
15 George Furbank
14 Tommy Freeman
13 Fraser Dingwall
12 Rory Hutchinson
11 Courtnall Skosan
10 Dan Biggar
9 Alex Mitchell
1 Alex Waller
2 Sam Matavesi
3 Ehren Painter
4 David Ribbans
5 Alex Moon
6 Karl Wilkins
7 Lewis Ludlam (c)
8 Juarno Augustus
Replacements:
16 James Fish
17 Nick Auterac
18 Paul Hill
19 Api Ratuniyarawa
20 Alex Coles
21 Tom James
22 Tom Litchfield
23 Ollie Sleightholme
You'll need to be on your game. We are virtually first choice - Lawes and Proctor are missing.
We will be on our game... that's the problem.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 17:51
Quote:hemington
You haven't answered my question. Bath lose and you feel exonerated. Bath win and you accept that you got it wrong. Which would you prefer? Sounds like you want us to lose so changes will be made.
I want us to win.
I'd be very chuffed indeed to be posting on Monday that I clearly don't have the beginnings of a clue.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 17:52
Quote:I’ll take that as we seem to be 13th at the moment!! ;-)malco
I predict we are going to come second.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 17:54
Quote:hemington
You haven't answered my question. Bath lose and you feel exonerated. Bath win and you accept that you got it wrong. Which would you prefer? Sounds like you want us to lose so changes will be made.
Pointless to want Bath to lose to force change though isn’t it. We’ve lost every game this season and no sign of any change.
All the pressure on Saints as anything less than 5pts for them will be seen as failure. Maybe Bath can force them to make mistakes in their pursuit of the TBP.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 17:59
Quote:It would be easier to agree with selections if they were winning I think, when they lose it is easy to think that a different player could have done better…charlieboa
I would have richards covering 6. Spencer over williams at the lock option for me but each to their own.
I seem to find myself disagreeing with many many selection decisions but they are the experts
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 19:03
Quote:Thank you Malco - I'm very pleased to her that (genuinely). Let's hope we can all discuss the clue on Monday!!malcoQuote:hemington
You haven't answered my question. Bath lose and you feel exonerated. Bath win and you accept that you got it wrong. Which would you prefer? Sounds like you want us to lose so changes will be made.
I want us to win.
I'd be very chuffed indeed to be posting on Monday that I clearly don't have the beginnings of a clue.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2021 23:41
Need to keep Ribbans quiet. But share the concerns when the front row gets switched.
I truly hope that Malco is indeed clueless, but somehow I doubt it.
I truly hope that Malco is indeed clueless, but somehow I doubt it.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 14:56
Apparently McNally out during the warm up ...... the good news just keeps on coming in.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:02
Saints try in first 2 minutes ...... maybe we need a defence coach.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:14
2nd try ... tempted to stop listening. This is going to be painful.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:19
Bath try from a 5m lineout ...... 14-5.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:26
Cips crocked and off.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:28
Try 19-5.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:28
And a 3rd Saints try ...... good review guys. No real changes needed.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:29
21-5
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:31
Ben Spencer off and injured.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:31
Spencer off now .... not sure this could get any worse.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:32
I am going to watch Exeter and Sarries slog it out ... this is too much to bear.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:33
Going well then ! Still , time to come back. 
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:37
Oh Mike Williams ... Yellow for a high tackle
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:37
Williams binned high tackle.
Wtf
Wtf
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:40
Quote:Never In Doubt
I am going to watch Exeter and Sarries slog it out ... this is too much to bear.
Been watching , first time I’ve seen a double march back for answering back, Billy V , surprised not a yellow ! Well done Luke Pearce .
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:42
Yes - saw that but had the sound off. Now turned the sound on and following Bath on twitter .... the radio is just too depressing. Exeter look very up for it.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:43
And try nr 4
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:43
26-5
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:44
4th try .... massacre on track.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:44
28-5
Sounds very one sided.
Sounds very one sided.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:45
Quote:Never In Doubt
4th try .... massacre on track.
It's ok, a defence coach will fix it all. Teflon Stu will sort it
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:45
Maybe we need a review of the review.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:47
Maybe we just need leadership.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:48
Try Bath. Boycie
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:48
Boyce with a try when we have 14 on the pitch
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:50
Tdg convert on target.
HT 28-12
HT 28-12
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:51
Maybe Saints will ease off in the second half with the game already won with a TBP.
Does anyone think we might need a defence coach?
Does anyone think we might need a defence coach?
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:54
Good to see williams waltz back into the 23 having learnt from his repetitive mistakes....erm....
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:56
Odd - but then again kind of obvious - how bad teams seem to have more back luck. Both half backs (inc our best player) injured in first 20.
We’ve been shocking, mind. They’re scoring at will. And Williams could easily have seen another red. Idiotic.
The only thing that makes me think the coaching team can survive this drubbing is the fact they’ve survived until now! It’s truly embarrassing.
We’ve been shocking, mind. They’re scoring at will. And Williams could easily have seen another red. Idiotic.
The only thing that makes me think the coaching team can survive this drubbing is the fact they’ve survived until now! It’s truly embarrassing.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:57
It looks like rather than a defence coach we need a coach to keep players on the field of play before the game and during the game! Losing two half backs once is unfortunate but twice is careless!
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 15:57
Sadly, a defence coach is only a part of what’s needed and I’m sure BC is aware of this. 
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:01
Quote:Old Bath Tub
Sadly, a defence coach is only a part of what’s needed and I’m sure BC is aware of this.
He’s obviously not aware otherwise he would have done something about it by now.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:05
Well Wuss are on track for a bonus point win at home to Wasps so Bruce only needs to look at the table after 9 matches to come to the conclusion that we are so far off the pace that only big action will be good enough
Its a bit like those long hard climbs on the Tour de France where the class top riders break away towards the top, the peloton are furiously trying to get back to their tails and there's a lone, desperate, struggling rider way back down the hill out of depth and dropped off the pace right from the start
Its a bit like those long hard climbs on the Tour de France where the class top riders break away towards the top, the peloton are furiously trying to get back to their tails and there's a lone, desperate, struggling rider way back down the hill out of depth and dropped off the pace right from the start
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:10
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:Old Bath Tub
Sadly, a defence coach is only a part of what’s needed and I’m sure BC is aware of this.
He’s obviously not aware otherwise he would have done something about it by now.
Maybe when Bath have lost 12 on the trot this season he might do something ? Personally I can’t see a win at all !
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"AN OUNCE OF ACTION IS WORTH A TON OF THEORY"
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:11
Williams injured. Head hit. But no yellow, pen only
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:17
Try Bath
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:17
Can we get a try bonus?
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:18
Saints yellow card for repeated pens. Try.. Stuart
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:21
Saints try
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:24
Deliberate knock on for Saints. Should be down to 13 but no yellow though. Pen only
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:39
Quote:gaz59
Its a bit like those long hard climbs on the Tour de France where the class top riders break away towards the top, the peloton are furiously trying to get back to their tails and there's a lone, desperate, struggling rider way back down the hill out of depth and dropped off the pace right from the start
Except we are sat at the side of the road whilst Hoops and Tarqs discuss who will fix the puncture.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:41
38-19.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:41
Saints try
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:43
If there is a Tdf metaphor then we are in the broom wagon.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:49
Cipriani off after 20 anonymous minutes. Spencer injured again. Williams yellow card. 40 points conceded.
It's like a recurring nightmare.
It's like a recurring nightmare.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:50
Who went to 10 when Cips went off?
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:51
Quote:Dorset Boy
Who went to 10 when Cips went off?
Max O
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:55
Quote:supermarinemattQuote:Dorset Boy
Who went to 10 when Cips went off?
Max O
Seriously?
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:56
Quote:Dorset BoyQuote:supermarinemattQuote:Dorset Boy
Who went to 10 when Cips went off?
Max O
Seriously?
Yep
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:57
Says Hamer-Webb on the BBC sport site: OB was not on the starting list? (I am not watching the game)
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:58
40-19. Not sure there was anything good you can take away from that game
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 16:59
Quote:Mike the Taxi
Says Hamer-Webb on the BBC sport site: OB was not on the starting list? (I am not watching the game)
He replaced Cips. Ojomo went into 10.
Had Fox and GHW as the only 2 back replacements
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:00
Quote:CoochieCoo
Can we get a try bonus?
No we can’t, but all is not lost we were only beaten by 21pts so the management team will be popping the champagne.
Would be nice if BC looked at the League table and took decisive action.
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Maeght (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:01
Quote:Dorset BoyQuote:supermarinemattQuote:Dorset Boy
Who went to 10 when Cips went off?
Max O
Seriously?
Who else?
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:02
Sounded like underhill, mojo and tdg put in good performances in adversity.
Not much else positive at all based on the radio commentary.
I guess only conceding 6 tries is quite good this season. Maybe we don't need that defensive coach....
Not much else positive at all based on the radio commentary.
I guess only conceding 6 tries is quite good this season. Maybe we don't need that defensive coach....
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Jon Chess (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:02
Another match, another defeat. Long season indeed
Jon Chess
Jon Chess
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:03
Quote:supermarinematt
40-19. Not sure there was anything good you can take away from that game
And Hoops might have said…………we scored 3 times, what more do you want ?
But what did he say ?
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Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:04
Quote:supermarinemattQuote:Mike the Taxi
Says Hamer-Webb on the BBC sport site: OB was not on the starting list? (I am not watching the game)
He replaced Cips. Ojomo went into 10.
Had Fox and GHW as the only 2 back replacements
I am becoming more convinced I need to visit Specsavers!
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Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:05
IT SO VERY DIFFICULT, IN FACT IMPOSSIBLE, TO ADD A POSITIVE COMMENT.
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Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:05
"I'll just check the Bath score"
*turns on phone*
"ah, yes, sounds about right"
*turns off phone, gets on with life*
*turns on phone*
"ah, yes, sounds about right"
*turns off phone, gets on with life*
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:08
Quote:Tom de Glanville would have been the other option, with one of the wings going to full back.MaeghtQuote:Dorset BoyQuote:supermarinemattQuote:Dorset Boy
Who went to 10 when Cips went off?
Max O
Seriously?
Who else?
Underhill had a good game, some good carries and breaks plus big tackles.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:12:04:17:10:34 by dcsh.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:10
It's reaching the point where, by not facing up to the seriousness of the situation, the coaching team and management leave the impression that they actually aren't bothered.
We need a post match interview where there is some real honesty and recognition of the depth of the hole the team is in.
Instead of "the players haven't done what we told them to do, we trained well, we'll take the positives and go again next week".
We need a post match interview where there is some real honesty and recognition of the depth of the hole the team is in.
Instead of "the players haven't done what we told them to do, we trained well, we'll take the positives and go again next week".
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:11
I'm very tired
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:13
We finished the game with a back line of 9. Fox, 10. Ojomoh, 11. Muir, 12 Butt, 13 Rokoduguni, 14 Hamer-Webb, 15 De Glanville
I'm sorry, there are some talented young players in there, but any coach who thinks that this is a back line that is competitive in Premiership rugby really needs to be shown the door.
I'm sorry, there are some talented young players in there, but any coach who thinks that this is a back line that is competitive in Premiership rugby really needs to be shown the door.
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:14
Quote:Old Bath TubQuote:supermarinematt
40-19. Not sure there was anything good you can take away from that game
And Hoops might have said…………we scored 3 times, what more do you want ?
But what did he say ?
Don't know, turned it off but I'm going to guess something like:
"Trained well in the week, we'll learn from that for the next game.
However, it's individual mistakes and the players need to look at themselves. Individual mistakes cost us."
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Posted by: Maeght (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:15
Quote:dcshQuote:Tom de Glanville would have been the other option, with one of the wings going to full back.MaeghtQuote:Dorset BoyQuote:supermarinemattQuote:Dorset Boy
Who went to 10 when Cips went off?
Max O
Seriously?
Who else?
Underhill had a good game, some good carries and breaks plus big tackles.
Maybe. TdG is a top player at fullback though and hasn't played fly half for a while so not necessarily a more obvious choice than Ojomoh. Don't think Muir or Roko have played fullback - GHW maybe. Mojo played quite well there apparently.
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Posted by: Maeght (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:16
Quote:malco
We finished the game with a back line of 9. Fox, 10. Ojomoh, 11. Muir, 12 Butt, 13 Rokoduguni, 14 Hamer-Webb, 15 De Glanville
I'm sorry, there are some talented young players in there, but any coach who thinks that this is a back line that is competitive in Premiership rugby really needs to be shown the door.
I'd think that would be a fair comment if that was a selected starting line up from a near full squad but who else was available and not selected?
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:17
Quote:Behind a dominant pack they might have a good chance, behind a scrum going backwards they have little hope.malco
We finished the game with a back line of 9. Fox, 10. Ojomoh, 11. Muir, 12 Butt, 13 Rokoduguni, 14 Hamer-Webb, 15 De Glanville
I'm sorry, there are some talented young players in there, but any coach who thinks that this is a back line that is competitive in Premiership rugby really needs to be shown the door.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:18
Quote:malco
It's reaching the point where, by not facing up to the seriousness of the situation, the coaching team and management leave the impression that they actually aren't bothered.
We need a post match interview where there is some real honesty and recognition of the depth of the hole the team is in.
Instead of "the players haven't done what we told them to do, we trained well, we'll take the positives and go again next week".
Personally I don’t care what they say in post match interviews, I’m only ever interested in actions.
As there is no relegation I’m really not convinced the management are that bothered about our situation.
The fact the much vaunted report seems to have been kicked into the long grass with no actions makes you wonder if it was done to appease the fans rather than to identify and fix problems.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:19
Quote:MaeghtQuote:malco
We finished the game with a back line of 9. Fox, 10. Ojomoh, 11. Muir, 12 Butt, 13 Rokoduguni, 14 Hamer-Webb, 15 De Glanville
I'm sorry, there are some talented young players in there, but any coach who thinks that this is a back line that is competitive in Premiership rugby really needs to be shown the door.
I'd think that would be a fair comment if that was a selected starting line up from a near full squad but who else was available and not selected?
If we had not wasted a vast amount of cap on Cipriani we might have been able to invest in a couple of decent players to improve the squad strength.
The problem is as much about acquisition and retention of players as anything else.
Have a look at the other Premiership teams that played this weekend and spot the number of ex Bath players turning in strong performances for other clubs.
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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:19
I guess we must just be saving ourselves for a big assault on the European Cup!
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Posted by: Maeght (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:21
Quote:malcoQuote:MaeghtQuote:malco
We finished the game with a back line of 9. Fox, 10. Ojomoh, 11. Muir, 12 Butt, 13 Rokoduguni, 14 Hamer-Webb, 15 De Glanville
I'm sorry, there are some talented young players in there, but any coach who thinks that this is a back line that is competitive in Premiership rugby really needs to be shown the door.
I'd think that would be a fair comment if that was a selected starting line up from a near full squad but who else was available and not selected?
If we had not wasted a vast amount of cap on Cipriani we might have been able to invest in a couple of decent players to improve the squad strength.
The problem is as much about acquisition and retention of players as anything else.
Have a look at the other Premiership teams that played this weekend and spot the number of ex Bath players turning in strong performances for other clubs.
Sure, our squad depth isn't good enough. The Cipriani signing was a mystery to me.
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:24
Quote:Haha I fear for the score board operator next week! They won’t get a break!hantssabre
I guess we must just be saving ourselves for a big assault on the European Cup!
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:24
Quote:Kidney StoneQuote:gaz59
Its a bit like those long hard climbs on the Tour de France where the class top riders break away towards the top, the peloton are furiously trying to get back to their tails and there's a lone, desperate, struggling rider way back down the hill out of depth and dropped off the pace right from the start
Except we are sat at the side of the road whilst Hoops and Tarqs discuss who will fix the puncture.
I doubt if either know how !
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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:25
Stuart Barnes was suggesting the other day in The Times that with no relegation, the team finishing bottom should start next season on -12 or -14 as an incentive to not finish bottom. At this rate we wouldn’t get into positive points next season!
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Posted by: archie10 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:50
i seriously don't get Bath right now, never expected to win today, But what is BC and Bath's plan now? yes, right this season off, but losing and lack of confidence because habit forming, Is this part of a plan, try and develop young players this season with out relegation, i really don't get it now, what would it take for BC to make changes?
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Posted by: abendanon-anon-anon (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:50
Positives - we scored 3 tries
Negatives - they scored 6
Negatives - they scored 6
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 17:51
It's impossible to envisage us beating any team this season. The situation is absolutely dire & if we just think that adding a defensive coach is the answer they are in cloud cuckoo land. Yorkshire CCC have got rid of most of their administrators & coaches for entirely different reasons but if that were to happen to us would we be any worse off in the long run? Something seismic has to happen to make us competitive again!
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 18:04
Quote:Bath Hammer
It's impossible to envisage us beating any team this season. The situation is absolutely dire & if we just think that adding a defensive coach is the answer they are in cloud cuckoo land. Yorkshire CCC have got rid of most of their administrators & coaches for entirely different reasons but if that were to happen to us would we be any worse off in the long run? Something seismic has to happen to make us competitive again!
As much as we need a management clear out, we also need a hard nosed winner or two to come into the squad. We need leadership, someone who will get the players together lay it on the line.
Ewels didn't say one word to the ref on our yellow card. At least Ludlum spoke to the ref on their's and countless other times. He's not changing his mind, but at least it shows the rest of the group he'll go into bat for them.
So much wrong that I have no idea why we keep hearing there's a lot right ....
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 18:08
Quote:malcoQuote:MaeghtQuote:malco
We finished the game with a back line of 9. Fox, 10. Ojomoh, 11. Muir, 12 Butt, 13 Rokoduguni, 14 Hamer-Webb, 15 De Glanville
I'm sorry, there are some talented young players in there, but any coach who thinks that this is a back line that is competitive in Premiership rugby really needs to be shown the door.
I'd think that would be a fair comment if that was a selected starting line up from a near full squad but who else was available and not selected?
If we had not wasted a vast amount of cap on Cipriani we might have been able to invest in a couple of decent players to improve the squad strength.
The problem is as much about acquisition and retention of players as anything else.
I'd stick with the original criticism Malco, its not about "acquisition and retention of players" but the organisation of players. To say we don't have strength in depth to finish games is true however, if you don't conceded 3 early tries then the score is vey different at 60 minutes.
Its not just about Cipriani and getting crocked with Spencer, you are spot on when you say its a nightmare, no side however good is going to cope with conceding 33 points a game.
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Posted by: ligger (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 18:18
So a good start to 30 days to turn things around from the review then, or whatever the exact wording was.
Should be able to pick that up again Leinster and La Rochelle though, shouldn't we....?
Should be able to pick that up again Leinster and La Rochelle though, shouldn't we....?
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 18:48
Quote:Old Bath TubQuote:Kidney StoneQuote:gaz59
Its a bit like those long hard climbs on the Tour de France where the class top riders break away towards the top, the peloton are furiously trying to get back to their tails and there's a lone, desperate, struggling rider way back down the hill out of depth and dropped off the pace right from the start
Except we are sat at the side of the road whilst Hoops and Tarqs discuss who will fix the puncture.
I doubt if either know how !
They’ve commissioned a report to decide if the tyre is flat or not and if it is flat to advise on how to fix the puncture.
Once the report is delivered though they’ll decide they don’t like the suggestions as they prefer to sit on the side of the road instead.
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 18:50
Quote:OutsideBath
The fact the much vaunted report seems to have been kicked into the long grass with no actions makes you wonder if it was done to appease the fans rather than to identify and fix problems.
If that was the intention OB, it has had the opposite effect, merely serving to disappoint, antagonise and mystify fans.
I can only hope that there is more in the report, yet to be revealed later this month. The invitation to the member's event on 14 Dec says: "we will share further detail of the review and focus the discussion with the panel on the review findings and actions arising."
Surely there has to be more, or this winless run will continue for a long while.
PG
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Posted by: Tomato Soup (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 18:56
Sorry to say that the downward trajectory has been set for a long time.
I am utterly depressed at how far we have fallen. We need a new set up and if BC can’t see it then he should step aside too.
As fans we deserve more than this. I won’t spend one penny of my money on Bath while Hooper remains.
I am utterly depressed at how far we have fallen. We need a new set up and if BC can’t see it then he should step aside too.
As fans we deserve more than this. I won’t spend one penny of my money on Bath while Hooper remains.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 19:04
Quote:P G TipsQuote:OutsideBath
The fact the much vaunted report seems to have been kicked into the long grass with no actions makes you wonder if it was done to appease the fans rather than to identify and fix problems.
If that was the intention OB, it has had the opposite effect, merely serving to disappoint, antagonise and mystify fans.
I can only hope that there is more in the report, yet to be revealed later this month. The invitation to the member's event on 14 Dec says: "we will share further detail of the review and focus the discussion with the panel on the review findings and actions arising."
Surely there has to be more, or this winless run will continue for a long while.
PG
There has to be more PG but isn't part of the problem that nothing seems to be happening?
We needed a defence coach ages ago. There seems to be a lack of urgency about all this.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 19:09
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:P G TipsQuote:OutsideBath
The fact the much vaunted report seems to have been kicked into the long grass with no actions makes you wonder if it was done to appease the fans rather than to identify and fix problems.
If that was the intention OB, it has had the opposite effect, merely serving to disappoint, antagonise and mystify fans.
I can only hope that there is more in the report, yet to be revealed later this month. The invitation to the member's event on 14 Dec says: "we will share further detail of the review and focus the discussion with the panel on the review findings and actions arising."
Surely there has to be more, or this winless run will continue for a long while.
PG
There has to be more PG but isn't part of the problem that nothing seems to be happening?
We needed a defence coach ages ago. There seems to be a lack of urgency about all this.
I suspect Hooper doesn’t actually want a defence coach so could be dragging his heals in the hope things will just get better.
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Posted by: recman (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 19:17
Hooper post game: "I've never known anything like it".
Neither have we, Stuart, neither have we.
Neither have we, Stuart, neither have we.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 19:20
Perhaps OB but if Malco's youtube post says Charteris doesn't know how to improve the team performance (I haven't watched it) then 'leg to stand on' comes to mind.
You have to do everything you can to improve things as repeated losses just damage player's morale.
Its almost like abusing some of the younger players, if you make even tiny improvements then at least you can see progress.
33 points game average is 4 converted tries and one unconverted. We are giving away a FREE bonus point to every team in the Prem. We are scoring tries, that true but we have to close up at the back.
Or is there something I'm missing here?
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Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
You have to do everything you can to improve things as repeated losses just damage player's morale.
Its almost like abusing some of the younger players, if you make even tiny improvements then at least you can see progress.
33 points game average is 4 converted tries and one unconverted. We are giving away a FREE bonus point to every team in the Prem. We are scoring tries, that true but we have to close up at the back.
Or is there something I'm missing here?
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 19:29
Of particular concern is our defence out wide. We can occasionally be relatively resilient through workrate, but we seem to concede on the wings (particularly in the 22) so easily - especially considering we never seem to score by spreading it wide when on attack in the 22, it's always rumble, rumble.
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 19:29
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:shipwreckedQuote:P G TipsQuote:OutsideBath
The fact the much vaunted report seems to have been kicked into the long grass with no actions makes you wonder if it was done to appease the fans rather than to identify and fix problems.
If that was the intention OB, it has had the opposite effect, merely serving to disappoint, antagonise and mystify fans.
I can only hope that there is more in the report, yet to be revealed later this month. The invitation to the member's event on 14 Dec says: "we will share further detail of the review and focus the discussion with the panel on the review findings and actions arising."
Surely there has to be more, or this winless run will continue for a long while.
PG
There has to be more PG but isn't part of the problem that nothing seems to be happening?
We needed a defence coach ages ago. There seems to be a lack of urgency about all this.
I suspect Hooper doesn’t actually want a defence coach so could be dragging his heals in the hope things will just get better.
There is no evidence to support this comment and he has said that he accepts the need.
More worrying to me is the loss of Josh M before the game and Ben so quickly into the game. Begs the question are the guys warming up properly? The Ben injury sounds worrying.
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Posted by: recrat (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 19:47
Surely there'll be some changes made now?
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 19:54
Quote:malco
Basically a frank admission from Charteris that the coaches have no idea how to improve the performance. [youtu.be]
He looked as if he was struggling to keep his emotions in check at the beginning of that- fair play to him for answering questions in that frame of mind.
Obviously coaches are not going to reveal information that opposition can use, but I agree, it did sound as if the coaching team have run out of ideas.
PG
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 20:12
Time for some fresh faces with fresh ideas ?
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 20:18
Quote:Old Bath Tub
Time for some fresh faces with fresh ideas ?
Yep, probably, but who? Players, coaches, management and how many and who will replace them? All ideas on a post card welcome!
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Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 20:35
I guess a good place to start is at the top, I don't know how many fruitless seasons of uninspiring rugby we need to tell us he is out of his depth. He may have made a lot of money in another commercial area, but he has been a total disaster in terms of on the pitch performance at running a rugby club.
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 20:39
Stuart says ‘he’s never known anything like it ‘ ! Here
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 20:41
Quote:warrenball
I guess a good place to start is at the top, I don't know how many fruitless seasons of uninspiring rugby we need to tell us he is out of his depth. He may have made a lot of money in another commercial area, but he has been a total disaster in terms of on the pitch performance at running a rugby club.
Ok WB who do you reckon is the best person to take over and is he/she willing?
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Posted by: recman (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 20:55
If you think us Bath fans have it bad, spare a thought in advance for the fans of the first team we beat this season (yes, I know that's a huge assumption). They will be utterly inconsolable.
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 20:57
Quote:CoochieCooQuote:Old Bath Tub
Time for some fresh faces with fresh ideas ?
Yep, probably, but who? Players, coaches, management and how many and who will replace them? All ideas on a post card welcome!
Perhaps BC should offer the CEO post to Ed Griffiths or like and let him have a free hand as I think the general consensus is that the current incumbent has failed ?
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 21:04
Quote:CoochieCooQuote:warrenball
I guess a good place to start is at the top, I don't know how many fruitless seasons of uninspiring rugby we need to tell us he is out of his depth. He may have made a lot of money in another commercial area, but he has been a total disaster in terms of on the pitch performance at running a rugby club.
Ok WB who do you reckon is the best person to take over and is he/she willing?
OK, its totally against my rugby philosophy but to put us back on track and as someone available right now for the next couple of years I'd go for Warren Gatland. I feel slightly ashamed now!
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He would have no problem getting the right players, (his son is actually quite tasty) and would install fitness and discipline across the board. Chances of it happening zero.............. but that is who I think could make us win again.
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 21:13
Quote:His quote seems to be in part about losing Cipriani and Spencer to injury early in the match, which you’d think Hooper should know about as it happened in the first match of the season!Old Bath Tub
Stuart says ‘he’s never known anything like it ‘ ! Here
It looked to me like Cipriani got a fist in the face from Bayliss as Josh was tackling the Saints No.8, possibly a broken nose? Certainly bleeding plenty.
Spencer seemed to get his knee caught in the turf as he made a tackle, he and the medics seemed to be concentrating on his groin/hips area before he left the field.
Hopefully both recover soon.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 21:22
Quote:dcsh
It looked to me like Cipriani got a fist in the face from Bayliss as Josh was tackling the Saints No.8, possibly a broken nose? Certainly bleeding plenty.
Reminiscent of Gavin Henson perhaps? Only jesting
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Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 21:30
I didn't watch but one comment from my Saints supporting family who were there said they were a were the rest of the crowd very irritated by the 'messing about' at line outs? Anyone care to clarify what she meant - was it a deliberate wind up tactic or couldn't Bath get themselves organised/ work out the hooker's signals? Anyway, it didn't work - did it?
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 21:35
Quote:Old Bath TubQuote:CoochieCooQuote:Old Bath Tub
Time for some fresh faces with fresh ideas ?
Yep, probably, but who? Players, coaches, management and how many and who will replace them? All ideas on a post card welcome!
Perhaps BC should offer the CEO post to Ed Griffiths or like and let him have a free hand as I think the general consensus is that the current incumbent has failed ?
Your original suggestion implied BC however Ed for Tarquin seems to be your current wish. Maybe, but as Ed has said on this esteemed board there is more right than bad so perhaps we need Tarquin to sort out the bad first?
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 21:43
This not meant to be appeasement (Annie) but I am astounded that anyone on 'ere thought it was going to be any better/different.
Saints have been in good form, they were playing at home, a Saints supporter further up the thread said that this was almost there best side.
We lose a player in the weakest part of our squad (second row) before the match we then lose our best player over the last 18 months in the first half, we then lose our "inspirational" new player a bit later.
They score 6 tries we score 3.
40 - 19...........I had it as 20 clear for Saints before the match.
Exeter beat Sarries by a bit less than they beat us.............Sarries beat us by 100's its a funny old world
Saints have been in good form, they were playing at home, a Saints supporter further up the thread said that this was almost there best side.
We lose a player in the weakest part of our squad (second row) before the match we then lose our best player over the last 18 months in the first half, we then lose our "inspirational" new player a bit later.
They score 6 tries we score 3.
40 - 19...........I had it as 20 clear for Saints before the match.
Exeter beat Sarries by a bit less than they beat us.............Sarries beat us by 100's its a funny old world
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Posted by: Dave248 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 21:52
There is no way any professional sports team go 9 straight losses without sacking the DOR and coaching set up. If, and it’s a big if the club do continue with Hooper, Hats etc then it’s basically an insult to the fans who spend their hard earned money week in week out supporting. There is nothing positive at all right now. Lowest of the low. You build for the future but that only works if things progress and they are not. I feel the only little bit of lift the players may get is if a new elite coaching set up come in and give them a rejuvenation boost. Confidence is just shot.
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 21:54
Quote:CoochieCooQuote:Old Bath TubQuote:CoochieCooQuote:Old Bath Tub
Time for some fresh faces with fresh ideas ?
Yep, probably, but who? Players, coaches, management and how many and who will replace them? All ideas on a post card welcome!
Perhaps BC should offer the CEO post to Ed Griffiths or like and let him have a free hand as I think the general consensus is that the current incumbent has failed ?
Your original suggestion implied BC however Ed for Tarquin seems to be your current wish. Maybe, but as Ed has said on this esteemed board there is more right than bad so perhaps we need Tarquin to sort out the bad first?
I really think it should be down to BC to sort out the club’s current predicament even if that includes TM.
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 22:05
Quote:Dave248
There is no way any professional sports team go 9 straight losses without sacking the DOR and coaching set up. If, and it’s a big if the club do continue with Hooper, Hats etc then it’s basically an insult to the fans who spend their hard earned money week in week out supporting. There is nothing positive at all right now. Lowest of the low. You build for the future but that only works if things progress and they are not. I feel the only little bit of lift the players may get is if a new elite coaching set up come in and give them a rejuvenation boost. Confidence is just shot.
Your abusive language has been edited. Please keep the abusive language off the board.
I agree with the sentiment and the current situation is not conducive to keeping the future fan base. I think that is obvious. This game was always going to be a hiding to nothing as predicted by most of us. So this is not a new angst. The question is whether to burn the lot with P45’s or build for the future by making the right changes that are required. Sack the lot and what do you put in place which is immediately available or sack the lot and let the players muddle through themselves? Not easy is it?
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 22:27
Quote:MaeghtQuote:malcoQuote:MaeghtQuote:malco
We finished the game with a back line of 9. Fox, 10. Ojomoh, 11. Muir, 12 Butt, 13 Rokoduguni, 14 Hamer-Webb, 15 De Glanville
I'm sorry, there are some talented young players in there, but any coach who thinks that this is a back line that is competitive in Premiership rugby really needs to be shown the door.
I'd think that would be a fair comment if that was a selected starting line up from a near full squad but who else was available and not selected?
If we had not wasted a vast amount of cap on Cipriani we might have been able to invest in a couple of decent players to improve the squad strength.
The problem is as much about acquisition and retention of players as anything else.
Have a look at the other Premiership teams that played this weekend and spot the number of ex Bath players turning in strong performances for other clubs.
Sure, our squad depth isn't good enough. The Cipriani signing was a mystery to me.
Tbf we went in to the game missing loads of backs and then lost our only two experienced backs early- that isn't easy.
I absolutely believe you should have depth and the knowledge within the squad as to how we play the game so people can step in with no big drop off. That's v different to expecting a 21 yr old centre to play 10 and roko to play centre. I would say mojo is probably 6th choice 10. There is no real catering for that scenario, its rank bad luck. Prob would have had worboys in the bench myself but I think spencer was cover for cips and we lost both. When things go wrong they really go wrong!
I can think of loads and loads and loads of things awfully managed at the club but depth of decent options in the backs (other than terrible treatment of players at 9) wouldn't be one of them for me.
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Posted by: JohnI (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 22:31
Quote:annie blackthorn
I didn't watch but one comment from my Saints supporting family who were there said they were a were the rest of the crowd very irritated by the 'messing about' at line outs? Anyone care to clarify what she meant - was it a deliberate wind up tactic or couldn't Bath get themselves organised/ work out the hooker's signals? Anyway, it didn't work - did it?
Dickson had told Bath to speed up their time in getting to the line out. The intention was clearly to slow the game down because of the pace that Saints generally play at. After 5or 6 times of warning the line out he gave a final warning and if I remember rightly then gave a free kick immediately after telling them 3 times to open the gap. (ref mic)
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 22:33
Quote:hasta
Of particular concern is our defence out wide. We can occasionally be relatively resilient through workrate, but we seem to concede on the wings (particularly in the 22) so easily - especially considering we never seem to score by spreading it wide when on attack in the 22, it's always rumble, rumble.
Completely agree with this.
Effort, attitude etc can get you a long way in defence but we have glaring system issues that may it incredibly easy for teams to make massive yardage wide. That is why I think someone who knows what they are doing could help a bit. We genuinely looks clueless in this area of the game tactically.
We cough up easy territory - takes oppositon 10 seconds to make 50 yds. It takes us 3 mins to make 3 yds.
Sounds like a defence coach will be appointed soon subject to the usual caveats from hoops about the global situation that only seems to impact our ability to get anything done.
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 22:37
Quote:Tomato Soup
Sorry to say that the downward trajectory has been set for a long time.
I am utterly depressed at how far we have fallen. We need a new set up and if BC can’t see it then he should step aside too.
As fans we deserve more than this. I won’t spend one penny of my money on Bath while Hooper remains.
If he does step aside, how long would Bath survive without his financial support?
PG
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 22:45
Quote:P G TipsQuote:Tomato Soup
Sorry to say that the downward trajectory has been set for a long time.
I am utterly depressed at how far we have fallen. We need a new set up and if BC can’t see it then he should step aside too.
As fans we deserve more than this. I won’t spend one penny of my money on Bath while Hooper remains.
If he does step aside, how long would Bath survive without his financial support?
PG
Exactly!
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 22:45
Quote:Especially if fans refuse to spend a penny of their own money on the club…P G TipsQuote:Tomato Soup
Sorry to say that the downward trajectory has been set for a long time.
I am utterly depressed at how far we have fallen. We need a new set up and if BC can’t see it then he should step aside too.
As fans we deserve more than this. I won’t spend one penny of my money on Bath while Hooper remains.
If he does step aside, how long would Bath survive without his financial support?
PG
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 22:50
Quote:P G TipsQuote:Tomato Soup
Sorry to say that the downward trajectory has been set for a long time.
I am utterly depressed at how far we have fallen. We need a new set up and if BC can’t see it then he should step aside too.
As fans we deserve more than this. I won’t spend one penny of my money on Bath while Hooper remains.
If he does step aside, how long would Bath survive without his financial support?
PG
Depends. If Dyson decides he wants the club ....
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Posted by: Tomato Soup (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2021 23:33
We managed without BC. before he came and put all the prices up, signed up BT Sport and put them before the fans.
Clubs are capped on wages, we are usually one of the best supported, we may not have star players like Talupe Falatau or Watson anymore but we hardly see them anyway.
We will have to be a proper family and community club again and not a plaything for the ultra wealthy.
I would rather this than be where we are today. Can you tell me one aspect of the club that is better than when he took over?
Training facilities perhaps but where has that got us!
Clubs are capped on wages, we are usually one of the best supported, we may not have star players like Talupe Falatau or Watson anymore but we hardly see them anyway.
We will have to be a proper family and community club again and not a plaything for the ultra wealthy.
I would rather this than be where we are today. Can you tell me one aspect of the club that is better than when he took over?
Training facilities perhaps but where has that got us!
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Posted by: Danchinho (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 00:40
Think we should offer the DoR role to Guy Mercer now.
Has all the credentials; likeable bloke, was captain, etc.
I probably don't know what i'm talking about.
Has all the credentials; likeable bloke, was captain, etc.
I probably don't know what i'm talking about.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 01:23
Just watched the game. They say that poor teams are unlucky. We are a very poor team. We didn't give up and, considering we played for most of the match without a real 9 or a 10, we didn't do badly. But we looked inaccurate, disorganized and lacking in any real ideas. The table isn't lying and I think it is entirely possible we won't win a game this season.
The inconsistency in refereeing is just exasperating.
My MotM - Sam Underhill. Yet another titanic shift in a losing cause.
Finally, can we keep spoilers for other games off the match thread, please. There's a whole other thread for that.
... IMHO, of course.
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The inconsistency in refereeing is just exasperating.
My MotM - Sam Underhill. Yet another titanic shift in a losing cause.
Finally, can we keep spoilers for other games off the match thread, please. There's a whole other thread for that.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 06:20
Quote:Danchinho
Think we should offer the DoR role to Guy Mercer now.
Has all the credentials; likeable bloke, was captain, etc.
What's he been up to the last 3-4 years.
His brother is an interesting bloke- good book about his rugby career inc playing in the French leagues.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 06:53
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Hats off to the likes of underhill, bayliss, mojo and tdg. Showing real leadership at a horrid time.
Richards hasn't gone missing either when he has played.
I think it's becoming v clear who we should have as a leadership group that we need to retain and build next season around.
I wish I has faith in this being recognised. Tends to be a big name becomes available and they get the shirt back straight away.
Hats off to the likes of underhill, bayliss, mojo and tdg. Showing real leadership at a horrid time.
Richards hasn't gone missing either when he has played.
I think it's becoming v clear who we should have as a leadership group that we need to retain and build next season around.
I wish I has faith in this being recognised. Tends to be a big name becomes available and they get the shirt back straight away.
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Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 07:19
I'm actually quite encouraged that we haven't rushed out to get a defensive coach who might help a bit but it could just be papering over the cracks. We're not nearly there, we're a mile off being a force and are now getting sympathy from supporters of other clubs!
I hope Bruce takes time to get the right guy in at the top and give him carte blanche to pick his own defensive coach and coaching team. Conor O'Shea would be my guy. Vastly experienced in being a winning Premiership coach and also experiencing troubles in Italy. He also has massive experience with Academy structures. Give him a 5 year contract.
I hope Bruce takes time to get the right guy in at the top and give him carte blanche to pick his own defensive coach and coaching team. Conor O'Shea would be my guy. Vastly experienced in being a winning Premiership coach and also experiencing troubles in Italy. He also has massive experience with Academy structures. Give him a 5 year contract.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 08:10
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' we are close to getting someone in' as defence coach.
Whilst I tend to agree about changes at the top of the rugby structure and oshea being a decent option I just don't see it.
The review has happened, the recommendation is a new defence coach. Sounds like they may be on board fairly soon. You don't give a dor/head coach control over appointing a new defence coach with a view to potentially sacking they themselves in the next few months.
Whether we like it or not I think hoops and hats have at least til the end of the season now personally....
' we are close to getting someone in' as defence coach.
Whilst I tend to agree about changes at the top of the rugby structure and oshea being a decent option I just don't see it.
The review has happened, the recommendation is a new defence coach. Sounds like they may be on board fairly soon. You don't give a dor/head coach control over appointing a new defence coach with a view to potentially sacking they themselves in the next few months.
Whether we like it or not I think hoops and hats have at least til the end of the season now personally....
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 08:42
Getting a defence coach is just tinkering around the edges. We are guaranteed to finish bottom this season (although I do believe we will win a game), but if Hooper stays we will finish bottom next season as well.
My biggest concern is the high probability that our young players get fed up with losing and leave.
My biggest concern is the high probability that our young players get fed up with losing and leave.
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Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 09:02
The best thing for this club right now is that relegation is brought back in this season.
The club is a shambles. I don't blame the players I blame the club officials and coaches who have allowed the rot to continue.
As fans we see it, no need for overpaid reviews by businessmen.
Hooper has to go, it's embarrassing that he is still there.
Always been a proud bath fan win or lose, but this current situation is beginning to really test my patience.
The club is a shambles. I don't blame the players I blame the club officials and coaches who have allowed the rot to continue.
As fans we see it, no need for overpaid reviews by businessmen.
Hooper has to go, it's embarrassing that he is still there.
Always been a proud bath fan win or lose, but this current situation is beginning to really test my patience.
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Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 09:04
O'Shea made Irish competitive, he won with Quins and he knows Premiership rugby better than almost anyone. I could see him as DOR bringing in his own guys next season. I just can't see the logic of bringing in a long term defensive coach who may be surplus to requirements next season. It must surely be as a short term role until the end of the season. Someone young and dynamic who is trying to make their name in the coaching profession.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 09:10
Quote:OutsideBath
My biggest concern is the high probability that our young players get fed up with losing and leave.
That is my biggest concern- if anyone like bayliss/reid/ bailey/ mojo/ tdg are announced as leaving in the next few months then the 'project' is dead and that has to trigger a belated overhaul of the whole thing.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 09:13
Quote:cb2
O'Shea made Irish competitive, he won with Quins and he knows Premiership rugby better than almost anyone. I could see him as DOR bringing in his own guys next season. I just can't see the logic of bringing in a long term defensive coach who may be surplus to requirements next season. It must surely be as a short term role until the end of the season. Someone young and dynamic who is trying to make their name in the coaching profession.
Oshea is certainly a good fit but he did sound rather happy in his rfu role building into rwc 2023.
I think the length of contract for the defensive coach will tell us a lot, its a good point cb2. Til the end of the season and it could be a stay of execution for hoops and hats. Longer and v odd decision unless they are nailing their colours to the mast of hoops and hats into next season.
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 09:56
Quote:While I take some of your points and certainly share your frustration with the current situation, Bath was not a self sustaining club before Bruce. Andrew Brownsword supported the club financially from the start of the professional era to the tune of millions of pounds. While both European competitors were won during this time, the Big Cup was with a team still in place from the Golden Era and the Little Cup was against Worcester! The club was accused of not being ambitious or investing sufficiently across the board to compete…Tomato Soup
We managed without BC. before he came and put all the prices up, signed up BT Sport and put them before the fans.
Clubs are capped on wages, we are usually one of the best supported, we may not have star players like Talupe Falatau or Watson anymore but we hardly see them anyway.
We will have to be a proper family and community club again and not a plaything for the ultra wealthy.
I would rather this than be where we are today. Can you tell me one aspect of the club that is better than when he took over?
Training facilities perhaps but where has that got us!
If you are talking about the amateur era, then I’m sure we would all love that level of success again, but winning in the professional era takes lots of money which has to come from fans, sponsors, TV or owners.
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Posted by: NGSB (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 09:58
Fair play to the group of Bath fans sat just behind us in the Carlsberg Stand at The Gardens yesterday. They may have had one or two ciders too many but they kept cheering on their team and were never offensive in any way.
Scrappy game which was probably only going to finish one way but you kept going, albeit excruciatingly slowly at times and the likes of Underhill never gave up. Some strange refereeing in the second half which confused most watchers irrespective of their allegiances.
Scrappy game which was probably only going to finish one way but you kept going, albeit excruciatingly slowly at times and the likes of Underhill never gave up. Some strange refereeing in the second half which confused most watchers irrespective of their allegiances.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 10:33
To be fair DCSH almost none of the Prem clubs are self sustaining and arguably Bath aren't either, just indebted to an individual rather than a group or organisation.
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Posted by: Rampant (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 10:47
With a 6/2 split on the bench it was always going to go one of two ways.
Unfortunately the other way involves a rock solid defence which we do not have.
Its very clear what the issues are and it doesn't lie with the players
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Unfortunately the other way involves a rock solid defence which we do not have.
Its very clear what the issues are and it doesn't lie with the players
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
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Posted by: nigewing (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 10:48
Quote:charlieboaQuote:OutsideBath
My biggest concern is the high probability that our young players get fed up with losing and leave.
That is my biggest concern- if anyone like bayliss/reid/ bailey/ mojo/ tdg are announced as leaving in the next few months then the 'project' is dead and that has to trigger a belated overhaul of the whole thing.
If I was one of the young ex academy players my CV would be up to date and widely distributed
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 10:49
OK another thumping loss and same rhetoric from the DoR, next week away to Ireland.
Actually nice game as even if we were performing no one would expect us to get anything from there.
I do have an issue about Max O going to 10. Last season Hooper actually listed our 10's to the Premiership rugby as being Rhys P, Josh M and Tom De G and left Orlando Bailey off the list!
Hooper also stated several times Tom De G would cover 10 if required, yesterday when required Max O had to fill in? Please someone explain?
Like others I have given up at the moment, my passion and love for the club will not diminish but I cannot be bothered to listen to the current management treating fans like idiots and taking liberties with our famous club.
We will continue under this leadership to head to the precipice and has shown we will continue to pick up speed until something changes. I can see us 2forfeiting matches soon to add to the embarrassment but the one element which won't change is our CEO and DoR failing to take any responsibility for anything.
In relation to our young players I am pretty sure Bayliss will be subject to one of the Scottish clubs interest and I am sure he will go North to fulfill his International ambition. As stated our young players who are really playing well for their ages will be being sounded by clubs who will progress their journey towards International recognition.
Players gave everything again but like the previous week that won't win games no one likes a brave loser - because you are a loser. An Aussie mate said to me a few months ago "We don't celebrate second!"
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Actually nice game as even if we were performing no one would expect us to get anything from there.
I do have an issue about Max O going to 10. Last season Hooper actually listed our 10's to the Premiership rugby as being Rhys P, Josh M and Tom De G and left Orlando Bailey off the list!
Hooper also stated several times Tom De G would cover 10 if required, yesterday when required Max O had to fill in? Please someone explain?
Like others I have given up at the moment, my passion and love for the club will not diminish but I cannot be bothered to listen to the current management treating fans like idiots and taking liberties with our famous club.
We will continue under this leadership to head to the precipice and has shown we will continue to pick up speed until something changes. I can see us 2forfeiting matches soon to add to the embarrassment but the one element which won't change is our CEO and DoR failing to take any responsibility for anything.
In relation to our young players I am pretty sure Bayliss will be subject to one of the Scottish clubs interest and I am sure he will go North to fulfill his International ambition. As stated our young players who are really playing well for their ages will be being sounded by clubs who will progress their journey towards International recognition.
Players gave everything again but like the previous week that won't win games no one likes a brave loser - because you are a loser. An Aussie mate said to me a few months ago "We don't celebrate second!"
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 10:54
The result fully met my expectations
Until there is some significant action in key leadership positions we will continue to bump along the bottom of the table
Until there is some significant action in key leadership positions we will continue to bump along the bottom of the table
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: seatonian (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 11:42
By now any self respecting manager,director or CEO would have fallen on his sword and resigned. I am sorry that SH does not feel that he is not fulfilling his role as DOR and stepped down. There may not be a suitable replacement immediately available but an experienced hard nosed man manager could be lined up to take over asap. The coaches with the addition of a defence coach could carry on pro tem. A new DOR could then decide the make up of his team and which players he might wish to bring in and let go with next season in mind. Recruitment and retention of players has been abysmal as evidenced by Stooke being released and not replaced. You simply cannot operate with three front line second rows who need to operate behind a couple of under powered props who have been brought in. Confidence of the players at this stage must be pretty low and I am fearful that we will lose a host of very promising young who will be disillusioned and look elsewhere to progress their careers. Decisive changes would I am sure be very helpful with this in mind. Finally Bath are lucky to have such a loyal fan base and who by their willingness to buy tickets could be considered as financial stakeholders and whose views should be considered . Without the fans there is no club.
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Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 12:18
The problem that I have with the suggestions for who could be approached to come and "rescue" Bath is that who would want to under the present regime? Sure I don't need to name the list of distinguished achieving Coaches who have come and gone ................................
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 12:31
Quote:Yeah absolutely, the point was that if fans refuses to give the club a penny of their money, dislike the broadcast deal and also wants the owner gone, then the club performance is unlikely to improve…BathMatt53
To be fair DCSH almost none of the Prem clubs are self sustaining and arguably Bath aren't either, just indebted to an individual rather than a group or organisation.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 13:29
That of course is a more than fair point!
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 17:32
Quote:annie blackthorn
The problem that I have with the suggestions for who could be approached to come and "rescue" Bath is that who would want to under the present regime? Sure I don't need to name the list of distinguished achieving Coaches who have come and gone ................................
That Annie, is the one big fear for all BBW fans that actually we have scanned the globe and what we've got is the best we could get
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Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2021 23:08
I haven’t seen the Saints game yet, but what seems to me to be a running theme is we always seem a season or two behind the leaders in terms of tactics. We pioneered the ‘diamond’ with MF but ever since then we’ve been playing catch up: when Sarries did maul and kick, we did it two seasons later; last season we tried an Exe ‘stick it up your jumper’ and it didn’t come off.
Now all the other teams such as Tigers and Saints have adapted from a forwards focussed to an all court game and once again we’re left behind, only able to trundle them odd score in from 5m or reliant on individual skill.
For all the talk of developing ‘the Bath way’ we seem consistently behind the pace of development. Most teams have scored against us by fast rucked ball and coming round the corner a couple of phases. Once the attack has shifted from the ruck we seem unable to compete definitively - and I know that’s why we’re supposedly getting a defensive coach - but I seem to remember in the second half of last season we were fairly defensively strong.
I don’t see any teams doing anything hugely innovative, but we still seem unable to deal with teams that make yards out wide. Is it just a lack of defensive nous?
Now all the other teams such as Tigers and Saints have adapted from a forwards focussed to an all court game and once again we’re left behind, only able to trundle them odd score in from 5m or reliant on individual skill.
For all the talk of developing ‘the Bath way’ we seem consistently behind the pace of development. Most teams have scored against us by fast rucked ball and coming round the corner a couple of phases. Once the attack has shifted from the ruck we seem unable to compete definitively - and I know that’s why we’re supposedly getting a defensive coach - but I seem to remember in the second half of last season we were fairly defensively strong.
I don’t see any teams doing anything hugely innovative, but we still seem unable to deal with teams that make yards out wide. Is it just a lack of defensive nous?
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: nigewing (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2021 10:16
Quote:gaz59Quote:annie blackthorn
The problem that I have with the suggestions for who could be approached to come and "rescue" Bath is that who would want to under the present regime? Sure I don't need to name the list of distinguished achieving Coaches who have come and gone ................................
That Annie, is the one big fear for all BBW fans that actually we have scanned the globe and what we've got is the best we could get
In business there are those who like a challenge where they take on something that is failing and where they can make a huge difference (often quickly) & get great satisfaction from doing so. That’s the character Bath need right now.
Other jobs entail taking over successful businesses and making small incremental changes (“polishing ball bearings “), maybe McCall’s successor at Salaries.
I fall into the former category, played rugby at a very lowly level & have never coached a team !!
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2021 11:01
Re post above this :
Better write to Tarquin McDonald, CEO Bath Rugby and see if he would consider you! LOL!
Better write to Tarquin McDonald, CEO Bath Rugby and see if he would consider you! LOL!
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: nigewing (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2021 11:12
Done Annie.
I have listed you as a referee (for a reference, not to officiate a match).
I have listed you as a referee (for a reference, not to officiate a match).
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2021 16:48
Now i'm sure it must be a trick of the camera angle but in this photo I can count 10 Bath players watching the Saints player diving through a tackle from an 11th Bath player to score with no other Saints player in shot
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Now I am a long way from being a rugby coach at any level but something tells me that shouldn't happen
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Now I am a long way from being a rugby coach at any level but something tells me that shouldn't happen
Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2021 18:14
Just watched the game, I think that's our worst performance yet... The effort was there but we looked an absolute shambles. They got to the outside of our defence with ease, even from slow ball, and when they did Bath had no one covering. I don't even think Saints played well.
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Posted by: Smyler (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2021 20:52
Quote:gaz59
Now i'm sure it must be a trick of the camera angle but in this photo I can count 10 Bath players watching the Saints player diving through a tackle from an 11th Bath player to score with no other Saints player in shot
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Now I am a long way from being a rugby coach at any level but something tells me that shouldn't happen
It's actually 11. There is an otherwise unaccounted for leg with a Bath sock on in the background behind Rokoduguni
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2021 21:06
Is that fair? The shot is across the pitch diagonally, Mitchel broke the line. Its not as though all those players were responsible. Its here at 2mins 40secs I think.
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Re: NEEDING A MIRACLE? NORTHAMPTON SAINTS v BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 07/12/2021 10:20
Just started watching the highlights and that is some U13s level defence by Williams and Muir out on the left in the first few seconds. Don't think i'll bother with the rest.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/12/2021 10:35
Quote:Optimist
Just started watching the highlights and that is some U13s level defence by Williams and Muir out on the left in the first few seconds. Don't think i'll bother with the rest.
My u13s would be pretty insulted by that Opti
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