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Much as I always want Bath to win, there is something in me that thinks a) we deserve to be bottom for all the rubbish we've played most of the season and b) it might not be a bad thing to stick the league table up in the dressing room and training ground as a constant reminder of what we must never be again

Great review, as always. "Diamond's geezers"

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Much as I always want Bath to win, there is something in me that thinks a) we deserve to be bottom for all the rubbish we've played most of the season and b) it might not be a bad thing to stick the league table up in the dressing room and training ground as a constant reminder of what we must never be again
Great review, as always. "Diamond's geezers"

Whatever your motivation Gaz if we win on Saturday we don’t deserve to be bottom. The table doesn’t lie. And if a view of last years table as a motivational tool is ever used a reason to lose a game I despair.
I think it’s thank you Mr 59 you just failed your management interview.

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Much as I always want Bath to win, there is something in me that thinks a) we deserve to be bottom for all the rubbish we've played most of the season and b) it might not be a bad thing to stick the league table up in the dressing room and training ground as a constant reminder of what we must never be again
Great review, as always. "Diamond's geezers"

Whatever your motivation Gaz if we win on Saturday we don’t deserve to be bottom. The table doesn’t lie. And if a view of last years table as a motivational tool is ever used a reason to lose a game I despair.
I think it’s thank you Mr 59 you just failed your management interview.

I think that Gaz may have had his tongue firmly in his cheek.

Notwithstanding that, the bottom 3 are a country mile from the rest, to see Bath on 33 and Wasps in 9th on 60 points is pretty crazy. It's certainly been an 'orrible annus.

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I doubt Worcester will worry about positions 11,12 or 13. They at least have some silverware!

If I'm honest I find it desperate that the club are writing to individual supporters to garner support. I'm finding myself supporting the players yet utterly disillusioned by the top tier. I'm finding it difficult to separate and compartmentalise my anger.

How some players respond will be telling.


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I doubt Worcester will worry about positions 11,12 or 13. They at least have some silverware!
If I'm honest I find it desperate that the club are writing to individual supporters to garner support. I'm finding myself supporting the players yet utterly disillusioned by the top tier. I'm finding it difficult to separate and compartmentalise my anger.

How some players respond will be telling.

+1

The way the club is being run and the total lack of ambition makes me care very little if we finish bottom or not.

We should care, finishing 11th or 12th won't hide anything but finishing bottom would always be remembered not least by nearby rivals and the press who will mention it when short of something to write.

Agree B4B
There have been only 4 clubs ever present since leagues began in 1988- Bath, Gloucester, Leicester and Wasps.

We all know Leicester were saved two seasons ago by Saracens punishment relegation.
Wasps escaped in 2012 because Sam Vesty showboated on his way to a try allowing Varndell to catch him and secure Wasps a vital bonus point for survival.
We do not want Gloucester to be able to say in future that it was only Covid ringfencing that kept us u, leaving them the only club not "saved by the bell.".

PG

I really want to win and am contemplating going to the game............I am convinced we will win!

That is a hell of a team put out by Bath and it really ought to play well even if it is for only the last game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I really want to win and am contemplating going to the game............I am convinced we will win!
That is a hell of a team put out by Bath and it really ought to play well even if it is for only the last game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love the passion BSJ but how how many times have we seen the team go out in the first half play like demons only to concede points through inept defending and getting beaten on the fringes.

It's not the players, it's not the effort nor the application its the fundamental humungous holes in coaching and direction in areas like at the line out and in defence that repeatedly cost us and has led to some embarrassing defeats this season.

That why I'm disappointed in the shuffling of the individuals involved sideways in moves to retain position and the complete lack of "courage of his own convictions" by the owner. (Assuming the Telegraph article is true).

Whatever the 'new structure' brings I will never understand why the significant investment in time by BC, TM and EG followed by the procurement and appointment of new coaches and added to that the specific player recruitment should be abandoned at the 11th hour when so many of the existing and new players had bought into that package for the next season.

That decision on the face of it seems both illogical and a personal reaction rather than a business decision to me.

Clearly this still hurts for me and I hope you go to the game BSJ and that we win convincingly but one last win will not erase what has been the most dreadful of seasons from my memory.


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SW

Its really not as bad as 2003 which was very scary........right up to the last 15 minutes.

I think the players are fed up with it as well...........surely they can stop large bulky hookers running through our line at will. As happened against Newcastle at home.

Let's get 21 - 0 up and then aim to play the game in their half............how difficult is that?

Would someone please remind me how i can pick up Saturdays game.

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A no nonsense interview from Diamond about Wuss in 2023.
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I would like us to do them on Saturday 'cos it'll be more difficult next season. Bookies have us winning, just [www.oddschecker.com]

As Bath embark on yet another long term rebuilding project I like Diamond's quote.

"I put out a remit to myself when I came here that to get them [Worcester] where I want them over the next twelve months, not the next three years – I don’t need to say it needs three years to turn this ship around, all that normal rubbish you hear from people who have got a job for three years."

It's a compelling comment, but Diamond talks an awful lot of excrement and generally ends up with very little to show for it.

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A no nonsense interview from Diamond about Wuss in 2023.
[www.rugbypass.com]

I would like us to do them on Saturday 'cos it'll be more difficult next season. Bookies have us winning, just [www.oddschecker.com]

As Bath embark on yet another long term rebuilding project I like Diamond's quote.

"I put out a remit to myself when I came here that to get them [Worcester] where I want them over the next twelve months, not the next three years – I don’t need to say it needs three years to turn this ship around, all that normal rubbish you hear from people who have got a job for three years."

Probably says that because he does make things happen in the short term. Give him a one year/18 month timeframe to get improvement and yep he's the man. If you want someone to build a bigger project, leave legacy beyond 3 to 5 years and No, No, No to the Diamond Geezer

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A no nonsense interview from Diamond about Wuss in 2023.
[www.rugbypass.com]

I would like us to do them on Saturday 'cos it'll be more difficult next season. Bookies have us winning, just [www.oddschecker.com]

As Bath embark on yet another long term rebuilding project I like Diamond's quote.

"I put out a remit to myself when I came here that to get them [Worcester] where I want them over the next twelve months, not the next three years – I don’t need to say it needs three years to turn this ship around, all that normal rubbish you hear from people who have got a job for three years."

Probably says that because he does make things happen in the short term. Give him a one year/18 month timeframe to get improvement and yep he's the man. If you want someone to build a bigger project, leave legacy beyond 3 to 5 years and No, No, No to the Diamond Geezer

Agreed, i'll bet that Bath wouldn't be where we are in the table if Diamond had been the boss for a couple of years. He is good at building solid mid table teams, historically with very limited budget.

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A no nonsense interview from Diamond about Wuss in 2023.
[www.rugbypass.com]

I would like us to do them on Saturday 'cos it'll be more difficult next season. Bookies have us winning, just [www.oddschecker.com]

As Bath embark on yet another long term rebuilding project I like Diamond's quote.

"I put out a remit to myself when I came here that to get them [Worcester] where I want them over the next twelve months, not the next three years – I don’t need to say it needs three years to turn this ship around, all that normal rubbish you hear from people who have got a job for three years."

Probably says that because he does make things happen in the short term. Give him a one year/18 month timeframe to get improvement and yep he's the man. If you want someone to build a bigger project, leave legacy beyond 3 to 5 years and No, No, No to the Diamond Geezer

Agreed, i'll bet that Bath wouldn't be where we are in the table if Diamond had been the boss for a couple of years. He is good at building solid mid table teams, historically with very limited budget.

Solid mid table is the aspiration for Bath though, so maybe we should have gone for Diamond a few years back.

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Agree B4B
There have been only 4 clubs ever present since leagues began in 1988- Bath, Gloucester, Leicester and Wasps.

We all know Leicester were saved two seasons ago by Saracens punishment relegation.
Wasps escaped in 2012 because Sam Vesty showboated on his way to a try allowing Varndell to catch him and secure Wasps a vital bonus point for survival.
We do not want Gloucester to be able to say in future that it was only Covid ringfencing that kept us u, leaving them the only club not "saved by the bell.".

PG

Also worth remembering (should the ‘edit’[worth]to[worst] happen and we finish bottom) that of those 4 ever present clubs only one has never won the competition and they don’t look like changing that this season. ;-)



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"should the worth happen"?

Freudian slip dcsh? Personally I hope our "worth" is better than that!

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Team Up. Obano starts:

Beno Obano will start his first game in just over seven months when Bath Rugby take on Worcester Warriors in the final game of the Gallagher Premiership season.

The England international returned to action last time out in the win over London Irish following an ACL injury and makes his seventh appearance of the campaign.

Obano alongside hooker Tom Dunn and tighthead Will Stuart were a key, powerful trio during the club’s run to the play-offs in the 2019/20 season, and they will be backed up by Breakthrough Player of the Year Ewan Richards and captain Charlie Ewels.

Taulupe Faletau will make it 72 and out at Sixways from Number 8 with Jaco Coetzee and Sam Underhill completing the back row.

Having played 16 times in the Premiership this term, Max Ojomoh is back in the centre while fellow Academy graduate Orlando Bailey, who has featured 18 times in the league, remains at fly-half.

The young duo have experience and leaders around them in Ben Spencer and Jonathan Joseph while there is an abundance of tries in the back three.

Joe Cokanasiga has five tries in seven Premiership matches while on the other wing, Will Muir (eight tries) will be looking to cement his position as the club’s top try scorer this season. Tom de Glanville (also five tries) is set for Premiership appearance number 20 in 2020/21.

Among the replacements, front-row three Jacques du Toit, Valeriy Morozov and Ma’afu Fia will bid farewell to Bath while Max Green is back from his short-term loan spell at Bristol Bears.

Bath Rugby team to play Worcester Warriors

15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Will Muir, 10 Orlando Bailey, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Ewan Richards, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Jaco Coetzee, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Taulupe Faletau

Replacements

16 Jacques du Toit, 17 Valeriy Morozov, 18 Ma’afu Fia, 19 Mike Williams, 20 Miles Reid, 21 Max Green, 22 Danny Cipriani, 23 Gabriel Hamer-Webb

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Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.

Shame no space for Watson (or maybe he is not quite ready?).
Roko got his send off at the Rec a couple of weeks ago, but would have been good to see him get a go too.

PG

Looking forward to seeing the impact of Richards and Coetzee, two key players for next season.

On paper and if match fitness were assured you would expect a strong side like that to soundly beat Worcester Warriors.

Problem is this is the ‘ season of the phantom coaches’ !
Who would have thought that we would see Bailey and Ojomoh as established backs with OB touring with England this summer.

I expect a win but how many times have we sent out strong sides to see them crumble like an England batting collapse!

What’s the expression… live in hope but .,.,,?


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Shame no space for Watson (or maybe he is not quite ready?).
Roko got his send off at the Rec a couple of weeks ago, but would have been good to see him get a go too.

PG

Probably not a great idea to play on a plastic pitch as your first game back. So not risked sensible choice IMHO.

As things stand our first choice 23 next season could be:

De Glanville
Cokanasiga
Joseph
Redpath
McConnochie
Bailey
Spencer
Coetzee
Underhill
Cloete
Attwood
Ewels
Stuart
Dunn
Obano

Annett, Boyce, Rae, McNally, Bayliss, Schreuder, Ojomoh, Muir.

Still with the likes of Schoeman, Will Spencer, Williams, Richards, Reid, Francis and Gallagher waiting to step up.

With better luck with injuries a good coaching set up and some stability that is definitely a top half of the table team, at worst.

It's time to look forward and draw a line under this season.

Are Atwood and Ewells our best locks? Sort of think McNally and Atwood better.

Key for me is who is captain, I think JvG will come out with some surprises!

I also reckon JPF’s opinion will affect selection quite a bit.
That might hurt Joe C.


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As things stand our first choice 23 next season could be:
De Glanville
Cokanasiga
Joseph
Redpath
McConnochie
Bailey
Spencer
Coetzee
Underhill
Cloete
Attwood
Ewels
Stuart
Dunn
Obano

Annett, Boyce, Rae, McNally, Bayliss, Schreuder, Ojomoh, Muir.

Still with the likes of Schoeman, Will Spencer, Williams, Richards, Reid, Francis and Gallagher waiting to step up.

With better luck with injuries a good coaching set up and some stability that is definitely a top half of the table team, at worst.

It's time to look forward and draw a line under this season.

Agree entirely with all of that malco

The theme for next years recruitment seems to be depth, imo.

Dunn, Annett
McNally, Attwood
Underhill, Cloete
Spencer, Schreuder
TdG, Gallagher
With the risk of both Redpath and Ojomoh being away for internationals we have added Francis.

So whilst none of the signings bring much excitement they should in theory provide much greater stability throughout the season. They are all experienced player over 30 who know what they are doing when the pressure comes on.

What is Bath are trying to achieve at Blindside Flanker? Reid and Bayliss have almost 50/50 splits at 6 and 7. Making them effective 6.5s depending on who else is fit and available. Ellis and Staddon are the only out and out 6s in the squad. Big men who are line out options. Williams would fit mould as well but due to the lack of resources he is required in the second row. Richards has stated a preference to play in the backrow because he doesn't have the heft could be the best of the lot. Simply not enough spots to squeeze Reid and Bayliss into the 23.

Given that we have committed to playing a lighter No.8, something I have no problem with if he still gets over the gainline. Having a large 6 would be my preference as it does have its uses when it comes to set piece, in particular when it comes to mauls, attack and defence.

GUI fair assessment, thing is we don’t really know, other than his intention to attack fro turnover ball, what JvGs plan will be.

You mention ‘heft’ as a criteria, I think there is another aspect to this and that is speed.
In Baylis and Richards we have two of the fastest forwards in the Premiership.

That is a point of difference that I would expect a coach like JvG to exploit.
Isn’t Richards a 6?


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Turnover ball and the Cloete/Underhill pairing could mirror the Kamikaze twins quite nicely. Is that the plan or is Cloete the back up 7 for when Underhill is on England duty as I predict. Time will tell! I do however like it when teams can seamlessly transfer from one player to another without any change in style.

Richards I think will continue to flirt between 4 and 6 for Bath and will settle on a position when he settles on a weight.

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Turnover ball and the Cloete/Underhill pairing could mirror the Kamikaze twins quite nicely. Is that the plan or is Cloete the back up 7 for when Underhill is on England duty as I predict. Time will tell! I do however like it when teams can seamlessly transfer from one player to another without any change in style.
Richards I think will continue to flirt between 4 and 6 for Bath and will settle on a position when he settles on a weight.

Cloete and Underhill have different skill sets. Underhill is primarily a tackler, Cloete is primarily a jackler. Bath have been missing a specialist jackler since Louw retired. I'm convinced the plan is to play them together. Underhill to make the tackle and Cloete to be first man in to make the turnover.

I quite like the sound of 6) richards 7) cloete 8) underhill

Sam has done well at 8 when asked this season and has become a v effective carrier.

Richards provides some bulk and a lineout option.

Cloete an absolute menace at the breakdown which I agree is a skill we have really lacked since flo.

Think 8 position is wide open- plenty of options but arguably no out and out specialist in the senior squad (coetzee, white, bayliss all played a lot elsewhere)

Underhill is our best 7 and his key skill is his speed to the carrier to make the tackle before they get over the gain line.

I don't see the point of playing our best 7 at 8 to accommodate a promising young 5.5.

Coetzee is a monster carrier. He is what we need at 8. He will give us the go forward from the base that we only saw this season when Hughes played.

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I quite like the sound of 6) richards 7) cloete 8) underhill
Sam has done well at 8 when asked this season and has become a v effective carrier.

Richards provides some bulk and a lineout option.

Cloete an absolute menace at the breakdown which I agree is a skill we have really lacked since flo.

Think 8 position is wide open- plenty of options but arguably no out and out specialist in the senior squad (coetzee, white, bayliss all played a lot elsewhere)

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Turnover ball and the Cloete/Underhill pairing could mirror the Kamikaze twins quite nicely. Is that the plan or is Cloete the back up 7 for when Underhill is on England duty as I predict. Time will tell! I do however like it when teams can seamlessly transfer from one player to another without any change in style.
Richards I think will continue to flirt between 4 and 6 for Bath and will settle on a position when he settles on a weight.

Cloete and Underhill have different skill sets. Underhill is primarily a tackler, Cloete is primarily a jackler. Bath have been missing a specialist jackler since Louw retired. I'm convinced the plan is to play them together. Underhill to make the tackle and Cloete to be first man in to make the turnover.

I'm not so sure about that, I agree that that is how Underhill operated with Tipuric, Cracknel and Lydiate at Ospreys but Cloete's biggest skill is the speed with which he gets over the ball having made his own tackles.

I'm also not sure we will see typical 6, 7 and 8 roles on the pitch all the time.




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Turnover ball and the Cloete/Underhill pairing could mirror the Kamikaze twins quite nicely. Is that the plan or is Cloete the back up 7 for when Underhill is on England duty as I predict. Time will tell! I do however like it when teams can seamlessly transfer from one player to another without any change in style.
Richards I think will continue to flirt between 4 and 6 for Bath and will settle on a position when he settles on a weight.

Cloete and Underhill have different skill sets. Underhill is primarily a tackler, Cloete is primarily a jackler. Bath have been missing a specialist jackler since Louw retired. I'm convinced the plan is to play them together. Underhill to make the tackle and Cloete to be first man in to make the turnover.

Miles Reid seems a good jackler, could be good for him to learn more from Cloete

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Underhill is our best 7 and his key skill is his speed to the carrier to make the tackle before they get over the gain line.
I don't see the point of playing our best 7 at 8 to accommodate a promising young 5.5.

Coetzee is a monster carrier. He is what we need at 8. He will give us the go forward from the base that we only saw this season when Hughes played.

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I quite like the sound of 6) richards 7) cloete 8) underhill
Sam has done well at 8 when asked this season and has become a v effective carrier.

Richards provides some bulk and a lineout option.

Cloete an absolute menace at the breakdown which I agree is a skill we have really lacked since flo.

Think 8 position is wide open- plenty of options but arguably no out and out specialist in the senior squad (coetzee, white, bayliss all played a lot elsewhere)

No reason you have to pack down in same positions on own feed vs opposition feed I guess.

I do feel like we need to start having some correlation between performance and selection. Richards has done enough to at least be in the 23 most weeks. Personally feel he could be an absolute top drawer 6.

Sure you are right on coetzee (and hope you are)- as I say 8 is wide open for someone to claim the shirt. My only point of reference is him playing on hard tracks a few seasons ago.

I think cloete is a shrewd move- we offer v little threat at the breakdown. Must play a part in out horrendous defensive record.

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I think cloete is a shrewd move- we offer v little threat at the breakdown. Must play a part in out horrendous defensive record.

I think that is the key CB, defence, JP Ferreira will be key and JvG will focus on that first and foremost and select accordingly. Conceding 720 points amounts to conceding over 100 tries.


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Good luck Bath. Tough season but I hope you can finish it in style

Thanks OM.

PG

That’s some serious jacking, like a super fast limpet!

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Turnover ball and the Cloete/Underhill pairing could mirror the Kamikaze twins quite nicely. Is that the plan or is Cloete the back up 7 for when Underhill is on England duty as I predict. Time will tell! I do however like it when teams can seamlessly transfer from one player to another without any change in style.
Richards I think will continue to flirt between 4 and 6 for Bath and will settle on a position when he settles on a weight.

Cloete and Underhill have different skill sets. Underhill is primarily a tackler, Cloete is primarily a jackler. Bath have been missing a specialist jackler since Louw retired. I'm convinced the plan is to play them together. Underhill to make the tackle and Cloete to be first man in to make the turnover.

I'm not so sure about that, I agree that that is how Underhill operated with Tipuric, Cracknel and Lydiate at Ospreys but Cloete's biggest skill is the speed with which he gets over the ball having made his own tackles.

I'm also not sure we will see typical 6, 7 and 8 roles on the pitch all the time.

I do like these pre match threads where we discuss how to fit all our great players in to the team. Unfortunately this season the post match threads conclude they aren't that great after all!

Seriously though, that is a good team on paper and I agree they have lacked direction. Personally I think they have lacked leadership on the pitch, both things can be corrected next season.

Agree its a good squad for today, lots of quality and that's a pack that really should be able to at least hold its own-4 eng internationals in the front 5 (plus a future one imho)

The big win from this season is at look at that team and see richards, bailey and mojo as strengths.

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Sin bin for Ted Hill, 2nd try for Will Muir ! 7- 12

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Penalty Worcester 10-12

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What a difference a functioning front row makes. Shame about those two lost lineouts. Been watching Coetzee closely and he has been making hard yards but looks absolutely knackered. Very interested to see what actually having a preseason and a run free of injury could do for him. Suspect Reid to be on shortly.

Muir is a ridiculous player and the value for money compared to VDM and Watson is striking!

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Great try for Will Stuart 10 - 19 !

Probably from 28m out, but could be halfway by the time he is telling the story later!!

Completely agree about Muir he would be my first choice every week. Strong in both defence and attack.


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Try for Worcester 17 - 19

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Bonus point try Tom Dunn ! 17 - 27 missed conversion.

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Try Worcester 24 - 27

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Oh dear another Worcester try 31 - 27

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Ewells....................is he worth picking?

I'm really tired of Charlie Ewels.

Richards scores but ruled out for foul play in the lead up , shoulder to head from Charlie Ewels yellow card will he ever learn , will he be captain next season ?

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Our lineout attack isn't any good. Our lineout defence isn't any good. He gets way too many cards.

How many games has Ewels cost us ?

Desperate affairs require desperate measures.
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Oh dear oh dear charge down try for Worcester, 36 - 27

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I'm really tired of Charlie Ewels.

I can't believe he's done it again. After the first pen at 2 mins I'd have hoped he'd have reined it in a bit.

How many matches has be done this to us? You would have thought after the red on the biggest stage he'd have reflected on why he keeps giving penalties away, but sadly not.

I can't see him keeping the captain's shirt, let alone starting next season at the moment. What he offers simply isn't enough to counter the constant penalties.

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How many games has Ewels cost us ?

Whilst he should never be in the starting lineup, one player does not cost a team the game.

He's cost us this one!

Comes back on, can't hold onto the ball. Like I don't really want to pick on one guy, but it's exhausting watching him.

Wouldn't have Ewels in my match day squad. Should move him on this summer. Hopeless.

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He's cost us this one!

Not bothering to watch, but I disagree. It’s a team game and not won or lost by a single player.

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Comes back on, can't hold onto the ball. Like I don't really want to pick on one guy, but it's exhausting watching him.

I suppose we are somewhat beholden to him owing to the seeming dearth of second-row recruitment this season. We can only hope that Atwood's return means Ewels is not automatic first choice.

And thus ends Bath's worse season in professional rugby. Not with a bang but with a whimper.

Warriors have shown us how to play!

PG

Dunn adds to Bath's stupidity when he isn’t even on the pitch!
Conceded 40 points yet again for the 14th time this season


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Bath have lost the second half 33 - 8............says it all

Garbage. What a rotten taste to end the season.

And a Hat Trick from Shillcock 43 - 27 Blown it ! ………..again

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Warriors have shown us how to play!
PG

Every other team in the league has shown us how to play, Bath are comfortably the worst team in the league. Not surprising though, when a low bar for success is set, poor performance and failure is inevitable.

Dreadful.

JvG and Maddog have their work cut out.

Conceded 43 points. To Worcester. Shameful.

What an embarrassment.

Professional rugby club, don't make me laugh, more professional clubs in league one.

Been a Bath fan all my life but this season hurt like nothing I've experienced as a fan before. Big changes needed, people should be made an example of and sacked. It's Pro sport not a charity, if you are not up to the job then go.

Who is Shillcock?

He is a non-star probably not massively paid very effective elusive rugby player.

We don't need star signings we just need a bunch of players like him and the number 6 with the red scrum cap.

Very effective dynamic players

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He's cost us this one!

Not bothering to watch, but I disagree. It’s a team game and not won or lost by a single player.

Disagreeing without seeing it? Yeah that is how to make informed opinions. Had you bothered to watch you would see prior to Ewels being sent off for a reckless tackle (again) Bath would have scored and Worcester probably wouldn’t have had the come back they did. This was the point I thought here we go again. Then again I didn’t have the benefit of your insight, having actually watched the game.

Desperate affairs require desperate measures.
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Final indignity - bottom of the pack.

Over 40 points shipped- tick (14th time this season- wow!)
Stupidity from Ewels - tick
No leadership or spirit- tick
Look unfit second half - tick

Is jvg , jpf and mad dog in enough to turn it around!? We are in a serious hole.

We deserve to finish bottom, congrats to wuss for avoiding that fate.

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Conceded 43 points. To Worcester. Shameful.

None taken

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Over 40 points shipped- tick (14th time this season- wow!)
Stupidity from Ewels - tick
No leadership or spirit- tick
Look unfit second half - tick

Is jvg , jpf and mad dog in enough to turn it around!? We are in a serious hole.

We deserve to finish bottom, congrats to wuss for avoiding that fate.

The fitness aspect is simply embarrassing, plenty of time to rest and get fit yet we get stuffed basically, how hard is it to coach fitness?

I'm still concerned even about next season, despite everything we are still a coach short in my view and I'm interested to see someone convince me that the same forwards coach in charge of a relegation season will suddenly turn this all around next.


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What coaching role do you feel we are lacking out of interest SW?

At the game today and congratulations to Warriors they certainly wanted it more than us and have shown this season that they are already slowly turning things around.

Our players just wanted the season to end in about October.

Find it amazing how certain people are quick to pick on one player who is a proven talent and has led his team through the worst season in history but not one mention for the coaching, DoR and management of the club.

Utter nonsense IMHO that Ewels carries the brutal assassination which truly lies at the management of the club - he like all the other players are frustrated beyond belief and at his wits end not knowing what the hell is going on at their club - but it is amazing how quickly people are to single out a scapegoat.

Bath are absolutely shocking - their defence is non existent and yes Ewels has been on the wrong end of some decisions this season but he has been there week in week out trying his heart out like others to turn this ship around yet he cops a bucket load of abuse and nothing mentioned about the lack of a defence coach or the total shambles in the club management.

Have a think please - we are all fed up, annoyed, frustrated and heartbroken with what has happened this season but to try and blame one player is pitiful to say the least.

Ewels isn't the problem, I agree Ali but the way he is playing is a clear symptom of the problem

I'm not heartbroken - I reserve that emotion for far more important things but I am very angry, frustrated and now feel that retaining Hatley and Hooper will hold us back next season

The club has a defence coach. Apparently. And I think you'll find that the total shambles off club management has received an awful lot of stick.

The frustration with Ewels is that yellow card is so avoidable and such a repeat offence that it seems like he's incapable of learning. As I said, it's exhausting. Hatley and Charteris will still be here next season and it's very difficult to understand why.

My frustration with the Ewels card is he keeps doing it. Red for England multiple yellows for Bath that can't be blamed on Bath's

However the reason we lost is the same as all season no structure to any part of our game and performance levels failing off in the last 30 mins. Whether it is fitness or the effort being put in by the players to stay in the game without a structure I don't know.

The players must take some responsibility for this season and the pack of structure with which we play as the coaches3must be trying to put something in place.

Confidence is completely shot will be interesting to see what new coaching team can do.

Read that we were playing for Euro Disney Cup place. If that's true and we have 3 blank weekends when all other Prem clubs are playing in Europe will this mean a significant reduction in ST prices, which would be an administrative headache, or have I been misinformed?

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He's cost us this one!

Not bothering to watch, but I disagree. It’s a team game and not won or lost by a single player.

Disagreeing without seeing it? Yeah that is how to make informed opinions. Had you bothered to watch you would see prior to Ewels being sent off for a reckless tackle (again) Bath would have scored and Worcester probably wouldn’t have had the come back they did. This was the point I thought here we go again. Then again I didn’t have the benefit of your insight, having actually watched the game.

You are missing the point I am making. Rugby is a team game and cannot be won or lost by a single player, whether I watched the game or not wouldn’t change my opinion.

As for Ewels, is he a liability?most definitely yes. Would I have him in the match day squad? definitely not.

So I guess we do have a similar opinion on Ewels.

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Read that we were playing for Euro Disney Cup place. If that's true and we have 3 blank weekends when all other Prem clubs are playing in Europe will this mean a significant reduction in ST prices, which would be an administrative headache, or have I been misinformed?

Misinformed, we'll be in the little cup

I wonder if Ewels will come good at some point and this is all part of his development. This might be unfair, but he reminds me of a young Martin Johnson and the unnecessary penalties that Jono used to give away that had tries scratched off for England. Granted there will be countless other players that have given away mind dead pens and never achieved the heights of Johnson…

Hatley says “ Our discipline let them back into the game. “

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I've had enough of ewels. Last week's yellow cost us a couple of tries in the time he was off. This week 2 conceded and 1 chalked off. The issues are obviously bigger than 1 player and no-one is denying that, but to see the club captain make the same mistake week after week and yet still get picked is to be honest ridiculous

Assuming all fit I would start with JMc and Atters next season.

Hmmm, rugby tickets are solely a discretionary spend. When the price of day-to-day essentials is skyrocketing I don't think Bath can afford to be that bad again. Hopefully something better playing-wise can be offered next season.

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Read that we were playing for Euro Disney Cup place. If that's true and we have 3 blank weekends when all other Prem clubs are playing in Europe will this mean a significant reduction in ST prices, which would be an administrative headache, or have I been misinformed?

Misinformed, we'll be in the little cup

Shame, we don’t deserve to be in any European competition.

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nothing mentioned about the lack of a defence coach or the total shambles in the club management.

Hi Ali, clearly you have some kind of filter applied to the site and have missed 90% of the posts this season. I’d have like to have borrowed it at certain points.

I remember the heady days of being in 12th for a week. Glorious times. We are a relegation team who got given a lifeline like Tigers. Sadly I don’t see a turnaround like they achieved. Things have got so low that I’m just switching off and making myself numb to it all.

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Read that we were playing for Euro Disney Cup place. If that's true and we have 3 blank weekends when all other Prem clubs are playing in Europe will this mean a significant reduction in ST prices, which would be an administrative headache, or have I been misinformed?

Misinformed, we'll be in the little cup

Cheers. Was surprised but article still on Bath News Now site, suggesting we were battling with Worcester for 'last Euro Challenge Cup place'...

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Read that we were playing for Euro Disney Cup place. If that's true and we have 3 blank weekends when all other Prem clubs are playing in Europe will this mean a significant reduction in ST prices, which would be an administrative headache, or have I been misinformed?

Misinformed, we'll be in the little cup

Shame, we don’t deserve to be in any European competition.

We came second in Eurovision OB, some of the lads must know a tune or two!


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So another dreadful performance with not a hint of improvement visible. Another poor game from Elwells, maybe he is trying too hard & how long will our head coach last under the new regime?

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Read that we were playing for Euro Disney Cup place. If that's true and we have 3 blank weekends when all other Prem clubs are playing in Europe will this mean a significant reduction in ST prices, which would be an administrative headache, or have I been misinformed?

Misinformed, we'll be in the little cup

Shame, we don’t deserve to be in any European competition.

We came second in Eurovision OB, some of the lads must know a tune or two!

Good point SW, reckon there must be a decent singer in the squad!

As for Europe I’d like to see it far more exclusive with sides as bad as Bath being excluded.

Won’t happen, but top 4in champions cup, next 6 in challenge cup, the rest get nothing. Team finishing bottom no TV revenue.

As for Bath we have a different and hopefully more competent coaching setup for next season, however with those most responsible still around JvG has been given a hospital pass. Maybe we will scrape 8th place, but not that confident.

Also still waiting for the promised exciting announcement on player signing for next season.

60 league points difference between Leicester and Bath ! I’m lost for words

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Hatley: "To be 19-10 going in, you just couldn't see them coming back into the game."

My word, has he even been watching Bath this season? Astonishing comment. It would have been a travesty if Worcester had finished bottom given how we have been miles behind every other club this season.

THE WORST.
Remember this feeling.
Never again.

Hatley:

“It's horrific, not just for me but the players and the club. We're so much better than that but you get what you deserve in the game and the season”

Honest assessment, the table never lies and Bath are the worst team in the league. Do disagree with his statement that we’re so much better having sat through the dross at home games this season. We really aren’t better than that.

Worcester fan here. Couldn't understand the way Cokanasiga was used today : was barely put in space 1 on 1 vs our winger or used off first phase to run over our fly half/centres, who aren't the biggest. All the best for next season.

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Who is Shillcock?
He is a non-star probably not massively paid very effective elusive rugby player.

We don't need star signings we just need a bunch of players like him and the number 6 with the red scrum cap.

Very effective dynamic players

Shilly is a home-grown academy product. Was a 10 all through his early career until he got a bit stuck behind the Hougaard/Weir combo and shifted to 15.

Kyle Hatherell we picked up from Jersey in 2021. He’s an EQP Saffer, and has been a bit of a secret weapon.

Credit to your travelling contingent today, a fair number hung around for the after -match jollies. And kept in reasonable humour considering.



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Worcester fan here. Couldn't understand the way Cokanasiga was used today : was barely put in space 1 on 1 vs our winger or used off first phase to run over our fly half/centres, who aren't the biggest. All the best for next season.

Encouraging that other teams fans can see the blindingly obvious as well that seems to escape our coaches.

A really good example of a player absolutely not being used in sensible ways.

Congrats today, would have been a travesty if we had finished above you after you nearly beat us with 14 for the whole game at the rec as well.

Hmmmm.

I am already wondering how long before the next proven successful Coach tries and fails to change the culture. Is then given an ultimatum or 'gives up'.

If the Owner repeats the same mistakes and backs certain individuals whatever the consequences, what is the point?

These individuals then continue to protect their own 'empires' refusing to take advice, accept that they could be wrong, and generally have absolutely no idea how to manage a team of rabbits, let alone competitive sportsmen, we will see another season like the last.

I am ashamed to be a Bath supporter currently.
Embarrassed at the consoling puzzled sympathy of other Prem sides supporters of yet another embarrassing result, and even more of the comments that "they just gave up".


But as long as there are muppets prepared to spend many hundreds buying their season tickets, not much point in commenting, let alone complaining coz some of you reading this will still 'vote for them'.

Totally lost for words. Some suggest had there been relegation we’d never have ended bottom. That in itself is an insult to fans. Does that mean we’d see more effort if there was more jeopardy? The players have taken the p*** all season. There will still be mugs who will renew season tickets giving it ‘blue, black and white til I die’ .........as if loyalty is on any players agenda so why should fans?
To put it another way, if you were a regular theatre goer, paying 50/60 quid per sub standard performance how long before you cut your losses?

Just because I buy a season ticket doesn't make me a muppet. I'm perfectly capable of seeing that we're poor. Most of the time the teams I support lose. Tell the vast majority of sports fans that they're muppets because they support losing sides (The vast majority regardless of the sport because there's usually only one winner). I understand why lots of posters on here don't watch Bath live anymore and respect their stance, but to criticise those that do... Strange!

Blimey, another one having a pop at those who actually go and watch their team... Comparing watching a sports team to going to the theatre doesn't work because as a fan you probably have a sense of loyalty/commitment, however deluded and misguided. I wouldn't keep going to even a great theatre performance because it might get a bit dull after a while(!) but your point ignores the fact that you go as a customer, just as you do when shopping or eating in a restaurant. You go where you get vfm, obviously. As a fan you go because you support a side, which is equally obvious.

Should do the honourable thing and drop down a league to let Ealing up. We are woeful and the club's management have allowed this to continue, unforgivable.

Not interested in what the players have to say, their attitude is poor and many of them are not fit to wear the shirt. Overpaid and over hyped. The coaching staff are not good enough or have lost control.

Season ticket holders should not renew until just before the deadline, let the club sweat on it. Shocking just shocking, can't believe how bad we our.

Just watched the game. We lost to manifestly the better and more committed side and deservedly finished bottom of the Premiership. It's probably for the best as, this way, no one can have any delusions at all about just how bad we've been this year and just how much needs to change.

But the Tigs have shown it can be done. Lets hope Johann van Graan is our Steve Borthwick.

My MotM - Horse. A shining light in the darkness in this match and all season. God knows where we'd have been without him.

... IMHO, of course.

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Season ticket holders should not renew until just before the deadline, let the club sweat on it. Shocking just shocking, can't believe how bad we our.

What good would that do. Are the club going to try something different because there are not enough ST holders. If you don't want to support the team - don't - find another one.

Interesting stat I saw on Twitter... Bath have been ahead in 8 league games at half time this season and we’ve lost all of them.

Only one stat but sums up our lack of fitness, discipline, want/desire. Pathetic, even more so when compared to the majority of other sides in the Prem who are producing some scintillating rugby.

Embarrassed today. We’re lucky we’re not down this morning and likely heading for some sort of administration. Roll on July 1st and the freshest of starts.

This situation is very tragic for a once great club. The club are painfully aware of our frustrations. The reasons for this failure seem to be in the process of being addressed and to call fellow supporters muppets for buying STs is unacceptable.

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Season ticket holders should not renew until just before the deadline, let the club sweat on it. Shocking just shocking, can't believe how bad we our.

What good would that do. Are the club going to try something different because there are not enough ST holders. If you don't want to support the team - don't - find another one.

Only way to force change, fans should stay away. The club culture is rotten to the core. Has been for years. How dare you say find another club, blue black and white is in my blood.

I'm hurting now as should every true fan of this club living on past glories, It's decomposing before our eyes nothing will change if people keep burying their heads in the sand, keep handing over cash and tell each other to find another club if you don't like failure and losing. Like that is an option.

Hooper should walk if he had any honour left.



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As much as I understand the anger and frustration of the performance of players, coaches and owners as individuals and collectively, the season has now gone. The stats are stacked with reasons to be disappointed with the season and we will forever have the ignominy of finishing last.

Next season reasons to be optimistic:
New coaching team
Returning from injury
Young stars
Salary cap reduction

No relegation again next year whilst we continue to rebuild. Perhaps for some it is too soon to move on from this game/season, but what else can possibly be said that helps now. Let’s start looking forward to next season with some hope of improvements. It can be done but the club needs fans to help.

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Season ticket holders should not renew until just before the deadline, let the club sweat on it. Shocking just shocking, can't believe how bad we our.

What good would that do. Are the club going to try something different because there are not enough ST holders. If you don't want to support the team - don't - find another one.

Only way to force change, fans should stay away. The club culture is rotten to the core. Has been for years. How dare you say find another club, blue black and white is in my blood.
I'm hurting now as should every true fan of this club living on past glories, It's decomposing before our eyes nothing will change if people keep burying their heads in the sand, keep handing over cash and tell each other to find another club if you don't like failure and losing. Like that is an option.
Hooper should walk if he had any honour left.

First of all if you're going to get indignant about someone suggesting you find another club perhaps respect that those with the view 'Through thick and thin' might be equally indignant that they're seen as part of the problem. I'm sure we're all pretty fed up with how rubbish we've been for ages, culminating in the most pathetic of seasons but each to their own. Some will turn away for several very good reasons, others, myself included, can't. I think I'd renew anyway, but obviously the idea that fans will boycott the club en masse to exact change is pie in the sky. It won't happen.

Positive from the season: it has finished (for Bath).

Enjoy your summer and see you all again in September!

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BOB will be happy because the player he always criticised so heavily has now become the bruising enforcer at lock that puts it about on the pitch 😂

Having spoken to a number of people many from within the club and some from other clubs it is clear the news in relation to the organisation shuffle was a clear surprise to many.

So we played Worcester yesterday, a club with a clear and defined plan in place and a club which has done all the business it feels is required and we were royally beaten - simple.

The players preparing for that match - they have endured a season where they literally have been pulled from pillar to post - then Ed G comes in and clearly is very vocal about the changes he sees are imperative to implement for next season and sells the players a welcome vision given what they have experienced over the past 12 months or more - speaking with a language of positivity - something these players have not heard of for a long time.

Then and it appears that some only knew when we all knew that ED G had gone and Taqruin & Hooper had effectively won the power battle.

So these players have gone from being sold an exciting new dawn to a realisation that they were about to re-enter hell with the same regime responsible for creating that hell still very much in positions of power. Yes JVG is coming in with his team but if they ousted a Chairman ousting a Director of Rugby/Head Coach is no problem - so for a few seconds put yourself in their position and then ask - is it any wonder we lost on Saturday.

As for Charlie Ewels - this is a driven, committed and passionate young man at the peak of his profession - captaining a club he genuinely cares about - yes he is going to strive and attempt to lead by example - the problem is as the situation got worse the need to strive to excel got greater and he has crossed the line recently and he and his side have paid a heavy price - but you have to understand just how frustrated, angry and disappointed he and the rest of the players really are.

The first thing JVG will need to do is try and build up that confidence that has taken battering after battering and focus the players minds on rugby not the club which appears to want to self destruct and is unable to focus on a new beginning with certain individuals obsessed with their own empires - yes use some of the experiences of this year and swing them round to a positive and motivational direction.

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Just because I buy a season ticket doesn't make me a muppet. I'm perfectly capable of seeing that we're poor. Most of the time the teams I support lose. Tell the vast majority of sports fans that they're muppets because they support losing sides (The vast majority regardless of the sport because there's usually only one winner). I understand why lots of posters on here don't watch Bath live anymore and respect their stance, but to criticise those that do... Strange!

I renewed so I guess I must be a muppet!

However I do wish the club would move on those accountable for the demise, rather than play musical chairs.

JvG will have to be the messiah to get us away from the bottom of the table.

Whilst of course rugby is a team game it is played with 15 (23) individuals who are responsible for their own actions, fitness and motivation. Each player has to strive to get what they do to be as good as possible.

Ewells has let his team down again. Being yellow carded or worse red is like playing for the opposition you have deprived your team of a component of the team.

I will not accept the apologists who say he is trying hard and trying harder and therefore it is OK.

If this was the Extra B 4th team I would be no less forgiving. A million years ago I was captain of a Club and an international rower, think fit as a butchers dog and stronger than a very strong man, asked me if you could play rugby, because he was bored of rowing. We put him in the 4th team. After 3 games a deputation came to see me and said great bloke, incredibly fit and strong, BUT, in his excitement and desperation to do well he kept conceding penalties and he was killing them. We did a load of coaching and training and he concluded that he would have to resign as he knew the negative impact he was having. Because he is such a great bloke he ran the touch and was water boy for the rest of the season.

Maybe that's a new role for Ewells

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I do not consider myself a muppet and I don't think it is very helpful to go round calling people such

Agreed we are supporters who have a great degree of concern for the situation and to call us muppets is very rude and as I said unacceptable.

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Season ticket holders should not renew until just before the deadline, let the club sweat on it. Shocking just shocking, can't believe how bad we our.

What good would that do. Are the club going to try something different because there are not enough ST holders. If you don't want to support the team - don't - find another one.

Interesting comment from the 1st cricket test - Aussie commentator- “the money in sport is from TV but the fun - what the players play for- is the crowd.”

A telling point IMHO.

PG

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Hmmmm.
I am already wondering how long before the next proven successful Coach tries and fails to change the culture. Is then given an ultimatum or 'gives up'.

If the Owner repeats the same mistakes and backs certain individuals whatever the consequences, what is the point?

These individuals then continue to protect their own 'empires' refusing to take advice, accept that they could be wrong, and generally have absolutely no idea how to manage a team of rabbits, let alone competitive sportsmen, we will see another season like the last.

I am ashamed to be a Bath supporter currently.
Embarrassed at the consoling puzzled sympathy of other Prem sides supporters of yet another embarrassing result, and even more of the comments that "they just gave up".


But as long as there are muppets prepared to spend many hundreds buying their season tickets, not much point in commenting, let alone complaining coz some of you reading this will still 'vote for them'.

I resent being referred to as a muppet for supporting my team. Yes, this season has been disastrous, yes I am angry, perplexed, bewildered at the state of the club but it is my team and I support them through thick & thin & even thinner.
As supporters we can only guess at what goes on in the offices at Farleigh; we all have an opinion gleaned from social media but very few, if any posters on COML actually know the truth. That something is very wrong in our club is obvious but what exactly it is and what is required to put it right , I do not know.
At least next season we start with a full set of experienced coaches and a new structure in the management of the rugby playing side of the club. I am looking forward to a fresh start and hoping that JvG will bring some new focus to the players.
I seem to remember that ever since I met you, way back in the day, you have never had a good word to say for the club. Why you ever had a ST is beyond me.

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But as long as there are muppets prepared to spend many hundreds buying their season tickets, not much point in commenting, let alone complaining coz some of you reading this will still 'vote for them'.

Those “muppets” Annie, turn out week in, week out, rain or shine, to try to cheer their team to victory.

I know from personal testimony of Bath players past & current that they appreciate, indeed take energy from, committed supporters.

It may not be much, but it IS a contribution!

PG

Luckily for you, you have a simple alternative.

You can always just go back to supporting Bristol again.

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Hmmmm.
I am already wondering how long before the next proven successful Coach tries and fails to change the culture. Is then given an ultimatum or 'gives up'.

If the Owner repeats the same mistakes and backs certain individuals whatever the consequences, what is the point?

These individuals then continue to protect their own 'empires' refusing to take advice, accept that they could be wrong, and generally have absolutely no idea how to manage a team of rabbits, let alone competitive sportsmen, we will see another season like the last.

I am ashamed to be a Bath supporter currently.
Embarrassed at the consoling puzzled sympathy of other Prem sides supporters of yet another embarrassing result, and even more of the comments that "they just gave up".


But as long as there are muppets prepared to spend many hundreds buying their season tickets, not much point in commenting, let alone complaining coz some of you reading this will still 'vote for them'.

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Dreadful.
JvG and Maddog have their work cut out.

Think you’re find that it’ll be JP Ferreira that might have the toughest job!

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Dreadful.
JvG and Maddog have their work cut out.

Think you’re find that it’ll be JP Ferreira that might have the toughest job!

+1


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Conceded 43 points. To Worcester. Shameful.

Sense of entitlement a bit dented?

Shameful?? Really??

You lost badly to the better team on the day.

Ah but it’s “shameful” because it was Worcester.

There are other far more sensible and measured comments on here from far more sensible and measured posters.

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Sense of entitlement a bit dented.

I don’t think it’s a sense of ‘entitlement’, but there is a sense of expectation when you look at our teamsheet, and you consider that Worcester, too, are at the foot of the table, and an overwhelming sense of frustration that our teamsheet is never matched by performance.

In many ways there’s a sense of envy that Worcester are so much better coached and get so much more from a much less (theoretically) star-studded line up.

If the league were ‘indexed’ on some sort of (theoretical) quality of player vs performance algorithm we would be bottom by a hundred miles, and Worcester would be miles ahead of Bath..

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Conceded 43 points. To Worcester. Shameful.

Sense of entitlement a bit dented?

Shameful?? Really??

You lost badly to the better team on the day.

Ah but it’s “shameful” because it was Worcester.

There are other far more sensible and measured comments on here from far more sensible and measured posters.

You make a fair point Teflon.

‘Conceded 43 points to the team 12th in the table’ is fairer.

Watching yesterday I couldnt believe just how woeful our lineout and lineout drive is.

What worries me is we already have a lineout coach….and we are keeping them..

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I do not consider myself a muppet and I don't think it is very helpful to go round calling people such

Exactly ! I renewed x2 at the first opportunity……….so I must be a 1st class Muppet !

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ED G had gone and Tarquin & Hooper had effectively won the power battle

This is the fundamental reason why Bath will not become a title challenging side. The 2 most responsible for Bath’s demise are still at the club and refuse to accept any responsibility.

Any incoming DOR/HC will be prevented from doing what is necessary by those that hold the real power.

What odds JvG doesn’t last beyond next season?

Player quality index eh! Perhaps the issue is the players aren’t as good as they think they are. I didn’t see any star studded squad yesterday.

Bath have never really been a big side in the professional era. Saying lose to Worcester is shameful is somewhat arrogant.

Losing to Worcester is not shameful. Conceding 43 points to Worcester (particularly when you're 19-10 up at halftime and completely in control) is shameful.

And yes, to be clear, it is specifically because it's Worcester and we allowed them to score 9.5% of their total season points in 4.1% of their games. Which is well well outside standard deviation and is, in fact, shameful.



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Maybe you aren’t as big as you think you are hasta?

Let’s be fair only one of the teams playing yesterday has won anything this season and we did that bringing a scratch side to the wreck and turning you over.

A bit more respect for the opposition is due.

As I said, losing isn't shameful. Losing by that much is.

Enjoy your trophy. Congrats on the win.

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Maybe you aren’t as big as you think you are hasta?
Let’s be fair only one of the teams playing yesterday has won anything this season and we did that bringing a scratch side to the wreck and turning you over.

A bit more respect for the opposition is due.

That's the Rec. A bit more respect for our ground please. Not state of the art like Sixways for reasons we all know about, but with all due respect I wouldn't swap with you.

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Maybe you aren’t as big as you think you are hasta?
Let’s be fair only one of the teams playing yesterday has won anything this season and we did that bringing a scratch side to the wreck and turning you over.

A bit more respect for the opposition is due.

That's the Rec. A bit more respect for our ground please. Not state of the art like Sixways for reasons we all know about, but with all due respect I wouldn't swap with you.

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Maybe you aren’t as big as you think you are hasta?
Let’s be fair only one of the teams playing yesterday has won anything this season and we did that bringing a scratch side to the wreck and turning you over.

A bit more respect for the opposition is due.

That's the Rec. A bit more respect for our ground please. Not state of the art like Sixways for reasons we all know about, but with all due respect I wouldn't swap with you.

+1

You couldn’t pay me enough to go there, give me a day/night in Bath anytime.

Outside Bath………

Do you have an Outside Toilet as well?

To be fair I really like Worcester and it's my home county but the ground's a bit too far outside it. A bit like Sandy Park-I love the city of Exeter but don't go for these out of town stadia, that's all, but it's a bit rich coming on a forum taking offence and calling for 'respect' and in the same post having a very unsubtle dig!

Yes we have several [outside toilets] and we need all of them to accommodate 14,000 spectators. My first visit to Sixways yesterday and was delighted to find that I could sit virtually anywhere I liked, change my vantage point as I liked, because the place was half empty. This prompted me to check attendance figures out of interest but Worcester website had "tbc". Are the attendance figure so embarrassing that the previous home match report [April 30th] also showed attendance "tbc"? I do have a life so I didn't investigate any further but just to re-enforce the point that any club only really exists meaningfully in terms of the numbers of supporters/members/spectators etc that it attracts. 'nuff said or as Harry Hill used to say "respect due".



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The snobbery and entitlement is insane. You must have cramp in your eyeballs looking down your noses.

We don’t have the best ground or the biggest attendance but we don’t look down on others.

Bath do have a star studded squad, and I do get the "shameful" comment. For a team with so many stars to so underperform it can only be down to poor coaching and/ or off-field shenanigans.
We have been there with both for many years. We were last well coached in the days of Brain and Keast, we are desperately hoping that Dimes can bring this. The early signs are good, but it is too early to say.

I think that you guys have plenty to be optimistic about as pointed out earlier in the thread. You have a new and proven DOR coming in (may not be the title but that is what he is). Off-field I have no idea about with you guys, but from our experience it is so important to get right.

Every season a surprise team struggles, and this season it was you. I am confident that you will be back challenging next year.
Every season we are one of the familiar faces at the foot of the table and I hope we can put that right. I think that we finally have the right DOR.

Incidentally, you have a fab signing in Niall. Always gives 100%, great darts, regularly plays 80 mins for us and has a track record of getting selected ahead of more feted teammates.

I would be interested in your thoughts on Valeiry?

Thought Muir was fantastic for you guys yesterday, and you were killing us in the scrum - that is the first thing we need to fix for next year. See you then.

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The snobbery and entitlement is insane. You must have cramp in your eyeballs looking down your noses.
We don’t have the best ground or the biggest attendance but we don’t look down on others.

A poster, not unreasonably said it was shameful you scored so many points against us. It was a bottom of the table clash many of us thought we'd lose but it was the size of the defeat that was commented upon. Against Sarries or Tigers we'd have seen conceding only 40+ points a success. As to your ground, it's clearly a modern, very well-designed stadium unlike ours so I don't know why you're doing all that Uriah Heep stuff about how you're humble and we're snobbish. You got some stick back because you had a dig at our ground. Pass it off as snobbery if you like but go on another club's site and be provocative you can expect a few replies.
Offa, cheers for the encouraging post, albeit few on here share your optimism!

I don’t think it was me being provocative. The comments are specific about it being shameful to concede so many points to Worcester. I didn’t say we were humble, I did say some of you lot are snobs, which to me seems the case. You then get all sniffy because I said the Rec is a wreck….which is true.

But anyway have a lovely summer, better luck next term.

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I don’t think it was me being provocative. The comments are specific about it being shameful to concede so many points to Worcester. I didn’t say we were humble, I did say some of you lot are snobs, which to me seems the case. You then get all sniffy because I said the Rec is a wreck….which is true.
But anyway have a lovely summer, better luck next term.

Thanks for another very unprovocative post. It's not luck that we've been lacking. Most Bath fans know how bad we are, we don't have any delusions of grandeur. Everyone knows why our ground hasn't been developed. Even if it doesn't happen I, like many, can put up with that for the location. As I said, no snobbery in the posts you got, just fans who are understandably unlikely to be too tolerant of someone having a dig, even if you don't think saying our ground is a 'wreck' is provocative. Anyway, have a lovely summer yourself.

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I don’t think it was me being provocative. The comments are specific about it being shameful to concede so many points to Worcester. I didn’t say we were humble, I did say some of you lot are snobs, which to me seems the case. You then get all sniffy because I said the Rec is a wreck….which is true.
But anyway have a lovely summer, better luck next term.

This is a Bath forum, if we want to emphasise a point on our own pages at how disappointed we are then I suggest you leave us to it. No need to stir up an argument or use insults based on false assumptions.

At half time I thought, finally a bit of fight and the players showing pride they didn't want to finish bottom. Full time told the story of the season. The season now over they only way is up. Looking back about how cr@p this season has been will only make my blood boil. Next season is a clean slate and a fresh start. It's time to get behind JvG, JP, Maddog, Hats and next seasons squad

I Still have reservations that TM & SH are still around, seems in the press, the pundits and some supporters Ed G leaving is a blessing and we've dodge a bullet. Time will tell on that one!

As for being a muppet, if I am to be labelled one of those, I'd like to be Fozzie Bear please. As this muppet has renewed and will continue to support the club he has since he was 6 years old and as long as I have air in my lungs and can afford to watch Bath Rugby I will do so. It's about the game and the match but also about those fellow "muppets" I sit with and the banter and the laughs we have.

"It's all right, Andy! It's just bolognaise!"

Firstly, I’m Worcester supporter, secondly love the Rec or maybe it’s the location.
Some of my best rugby days have been at bath & night after.

Finishing last must be hard to take, but believe it could be the best thing for bath.
Imagine if you had finished 12th or 11th or maybe even 9th…. Bath are better than that, but would the change happen if you hadn’t finished last.
Something isn’t right, is it the player, coaching or injuries? No doubt a mix of all, but finishing last will make the change happen.

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At half time I thought, finally a bit of fight and the players showing pride they didn't want to finish bottom. Full time told the story of the season. The season now over they only way is up. Looking back about how cr@p this season has been will only make my blood boil. Next season is a clean slate and a fresh start. It's time to get behind JvG, JP, Maddog, Hats and next seasons squad
I Still have reservations that TM & SH are still around, seems in the press, the pundits and some supporters Ed G leaving is a blessing and we've dodge a bullet. Time will tell on that one!

As for being a muppet, if I am to be labelled one of those, I'd like to be Fozzie Bear please. As this muppet has renewed and will continue to support the club he has since he was 6 years old and as long as I have air in my lungs and can afford to watch Bath Rugby I will do so. It's about the game and the match but also about those fellow "muppets" I sit with and the banter and the laughs we have.

I shall change my user name to Kermit.

... IMHO, of course.

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At half time I thought, finally a bit of fight and the players showing pride they didn't want to finish bottom. Full time told the story of the season. The season now over they only way is up. Looking back about how cr@p this season has been will only make my blood boil. Next season is a clean slate and a fresh start. It's time to get behind JvG, JP, Maddog, Hats and next seasons squad
I Still have reservations that TM & SH are still around, seems in the press, the pundits and some supporters Ed G leaving is a blessing and we've dodge a bullet. Time will tell on that one!

As for being a muppet, if I am to be labelled one of those, I'd like to be Fozzie Bear please. As this muppet has renewed and will continue to support the club he has since he was 6 years old and as long as I have air in my lungs and can afford to watch Bath Rugby I will do so. It's about the game and the match but also about those fellow "muppets" I sit with and the banter and the laughs we have.

I shall change my user name to Kermit.

Maybe all of us "Muppets" on the forum should change append our username with our chosen Muppet as well!!

"It's all right, Andy! It's just bolognaise!"

I see myself as Statler or Waldorf.

The first step to recovery is accepting the problem. As BFC supporters we are muppets for putting up with this pantomime for so long.

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At half time I thought, finally a bit of fight and the players showing pride they didn't want to finish bottom. Full time told the story of the season. The season now over they only way is up. Looking back about how cr@p this season has been will only make my blood boil. Next season is a clean slate and a fresh start. It's time to get behind JvG, JP, Maddog, Hats and next seasons squad
I Still have reservations that TM & SH are still around, seems in the press, the pundits and some supporters Ed G leaving is a blessing and we've dodge a bullet. Time will tell on that one!

As for being a muppet, if I am to be labelled one of those, I'd
like to be Fozzie Bear please. As this muppet has renewed and will continue to support the club he has since he was 6 years old and as long as I have air in my lungs and can afford to watch Bath Rugby I will do so. It's about the game and the match but also about those fellow "muppets" I sit with and the banter and the laughs we have.

I’m afraid I don’t agree that “the only way is up”. It is true that getting any worse would be hard but we are capable of standing still & tetaining SH on board makes that more likely in my view. Hooper will be remote from first team rugby & TM has always been divorced from it but for me Hatley’s continuing presence is an issue.

Neiljk

It is shameful to concede so many points from the comfortable position we were in at half time. We lost the second half 33 - 8 which is shameful give we seemed to be in a comfortable position.

It is shameful against any team, including Worcester.

The table tells a story. We were the worst team, Falcons and Worcs hardly better. Worcs had the highest points against and worst points diff.

On the subject of the table, congrats to Tigers for topping the table and in my eyes winning the title (I am not alone in not liking the play offs I think).

I saw a stat that said we were leading in 8 games in the prem this year and we lost all 8

Is that correct?

If so, it does suggest where JvG needs to start

IMHO the game hinged on the Ewels yellow card , it gave Wuss relief from not conceeding another try and then the wherewithall to make Bath pay which they did in some measure. The sum of the parts has often been quoted in Worcester case and it is certainly true for the current Bath team.
I am not getting into the silly argy bargy about grounds. I would be happy if I lived in Bath to go to the Rec but am equally pleased to be able to drive 5 miles to a pre-paid parking space behind the West stand and drive back home after the game.
We both look forward to next season, as Offa has said you have a well respected hooker in Niall Annett who will always recieve a good reception at Sixways. Also console yourself that you have six players in the England training squad, Falcons have five , Wuss have one, and that only just - the table dosn't lie

Cheers Rollo for that, have to say that Bath and Worcester have some similarities at 10, Finn Smith and Orlando Bailey young talents and at 15 Tom de Glanville and Jamie Shillcock. Also some talented centres when not injured with Seb Atkinson and Max Ojomoh. (not forgetting Ollie Lawrence). I also rate Hearle. I think several of those are borderline England players.

Only you know why they aren't further up the table but at least your lot won something!


Tyler Offiah
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Can I take ‘Animal’ ?

Since it was my response to the ‘shameful” comment that kicked off a little “handbags”, allow me to add to the stadium debate, since my first comment had nothing to do whatsoever with stadiums (or the lack of one).

I’ve been to The Rec many times, have always enjoyed the visit, and always tried, by getting in early, to stand in the corner with the weir directly behind. Got wet a few times, didn’t mind, had the right clothes. Huge benefit of having the city a few yards away, great for eating and drinking, and for B&B weekends, less good for getting back to Lansdown park & ride.

Different jobbie at Wuss, modern stadium with covered seating and on-site parking. Outside the City, (not even actually within City boundary, it’s in Wychavon District).

Chalk and cheese, completely fatuous to try scoring stadium points.

All unimportant, what matters to you and us is that our respective managements get us out of the shite we’re both in, and for that we’ll just have to wait and see.

I like Cookie Monster, but as I no longer have a ST i don't qualify as a muppet and it would be unprofessional to take him in those circumstances.

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I like Cookie Monster, but as I no longer have a ST i don't qualify as a muppet and it would be unprofessional to take him in those circumstances.

Point of order, Mr Chairman! Surely the Cookie Monster was Sesame Street?

... IMHO, of course.

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IMHO the game hinged on the Ewels yellow card , it gave Wuss relief from not conceeding another try and then the wherewithall to make Bath pay which they did in some measure. The sum of the parts has often been quoted in Worcester case and it is certainly true for the current Bath team.
I am not getting into the silly argy bargy about grounds. I would be happy if I lived in Bath to go to the Rec but am equally pleased to be able to drive 5 miles to a pre-paid parking space behind the West stand and drive back home after the game.
We both look forward to next season, as Offa has said you have a well respected hooker in Niall Annett who will always recieve a good reception at Sixways. Also console yourself that you have six players in the England training squad, Falcons have five , Wuss have one, and that only just - the table dosn't lie

Tbf, the incredulity at the number of Bath players in the England training squad is shared on 'ere.

... IMHO, of course.

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I like Cookie Monster, but as I no longer have a ST i don't qualify as a muppet and it would be unprofessional to take him in those circumstances.

Point of order, Mr Chairman! Surely the Cookie Monster was Sesame Street?

Hmm maybe you're right, but did he ever appear on the muppets and even if he didn't is he technically a muppet?

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I like Cookie Monster, but as I no longer have a ST i don't qualify as a muppet and it would be unprofessional to take him in those circumstances.

Point of order, Mr Chairman! Surely the Cookie Monster was Sesame Street?

Hmm maybe you're right, but did he ever appear on the muppets and even if he didn't is he technically a muppet?

I think you're right that he's technically a muppet but he definitely wasn't a Muppet. I think the mods are going to have to rule on this crucial distinction.

OMG, apologies, I'm wrong. Ernie, Bert, Cookie Monster, The Count, Grover, and two Anything Muppets appear in Episode 518 of The Muppet Show. And Kermit appears frequently in SS.

Your choice is sound, Woody.

... IMHO, of course.

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I like Cookie Monster, but as I no longer have a ST i don't qualify as a muppet and it would be unprofessional to take him in those circumstances.

Point of order, Mr Chairman! Surely the Cookie Monster was Sesame Street?

Hmm maybe you're right, but did he ever appear on the muppets and even if he didn't is he technically a muppet?

I think you're right that he's technically a muppet but he definitely wasn't a Muppet. I think the mods are going to have to rule on this crucial distinction.

OMG, apologies, I'm wrong. Ernie, Bert, Cookie Monster, The Count, Grover, and two Anything Muppets appear in Episode 518 of The Muppet Show. And Kermit appears frequently in SS.

Your choice is sound, Woody.

Its almost making me buy a ST

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I like Cookie Monster, but as I no longer have a ST i don't qualify as a muppet and it would be unprofessional to take him in those circumstances.

Point of order, Mr Chairman! Surely the Cookie Monster was Sesame Street?

Hmm maybe you're right, but did he ever appear on the muppets and even if he didn't is he technically a muppet?

I think you're right that he's technically a muppet but he definitely wasn't a Muppet. I think the mods are going to have to rule on this crucial distinction.

OMG, apologies, I'm wrong. Ernie, Bert, Cookie Monster, The Count, Grover, and two Anything Muppets appear in Episode 518 of The Muppet Show. And Kermit appears frequently in SS.

Your choice is sound, Woody.

Its almost making me buy a ST

Ah! I am unmasked as the Bath Rugby comms dept with a cunning plan to boost ST sales. Curses, foiled again!

... IMHO, of course.

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Not sure about this muppet stuff, mind you the Swedish Chef was rumoured to be doubling as defence coach this reason which might account for why 90% of the side didn’t know what to do!

Looks like Stuart Hoopers Viking orientation classes are cancelled now with JPF’s appointment!


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I like Cookie Monster, but as I no longer have a ST i don't qualify as a muppet and it would be unprofessional to take him in those circumstances.

Point of order, Mr Chairman! Surely the Cookie Monster was Sesame Street?

Indeed and if he's going to break the rules at least woodpecker should keep his avian theme by being Big Bird

Next season already has a very obvious bottom club for me with rumours that Falcons have had £1M shaved off their already under-cap budget. I think that's a cut too far and can see them having a pretty grim time.

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I like Cookie Monster, but as I no longer have a ST i don't qualify as a muppet and it would be unprofessional to take him in those circumstances.

Point of order, Mr Chairman! Surely the Cookie Monster was Sesame Street?

Indeed and if he's going to break the rules at least woodpecker should keep his avian theme by being Big Bird .

Which was, of course, the moniker of another huge favourite in these 'ere parts.

... IMHO, of course.

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"It's time to play some rugby
It's time to score some tries
It's time to get discouraged
At the Muppet Show tonight"

... IMHO, of course.

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All Sesame Street puppets are Muppets but not everyone who lives on Sesame Street is a puppet and not all Muppets live on Sesame Street.

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All Sesame Street puppets are Muppets but not everyone who lives on Sesame Street is a puppet and not all Muppets live on Sesame Street.

Ah, set theory. I remember it... poorly.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

All season ticket holders are Muppets.................but not all Muppets are season ticket holders...............is that how it works!