CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Richards: a place?
By PG Tips
October 4 2022
Bath will want to be cherry pickers when they host Gloucester at the Rec on Saturday. To fix discipline issues they need to be selective about when to contest the breakdown or push the offside line, but there must be no picking and choosing when to tackle. First up completion is a must if they are to stop the rot of first half routs. Sticking to the gameplan and all out effort must be non-negotiable too. The home crowd will expect a performance of conviction and credibility- and a win. The manner of that win will be merely the cherry on the cake.
Winning is easier said than done. Slow starts and inconsistent concentration in defence are not good omens. Gloucester put years of inconsistency behind them last season to play some fine rugby under George Skivington, only narrowly missing out on the playoffs. Their current 9th position is deceptive. So far they have played only 2 matches, a bye week and cancellation by Worcester accounting for the others. Their one defeat, by 2 points, came at Saracens where they scored 5 tries. These are not opponents to take lightly.
The Gloucester pack should be as physical and gnarly as tradition demands. Strong foundations start with Balmain and Singleton, supported by the likes of Alemanno and Clarke. In the back row they have a choice of heavy ball carriers in Tuisue, Ackermann or Morgan and scavengers Ludlow, Reid and Polledri. In a departure from tradition, their backline, on their day, can be both ambitious and swashbuckling. Hastings gets them firing well from fly half, their centres Atkinson and Harris carry hard to the line and any break can be finished off with pace by May, Rees-Zammit or Carerras.
Critics might well observe that against that threat the Bath squad would need to stand on tiptoe atop a cherrypicker to have any chance of victory. We have already seen though, that any side can win well this season as Newcastle showed last weekend, after a desperate Worcester had humbled them the week before. Some of the spirit shown by the Warriors could be available to Bath in the form of loanees Morozov, Lee-Warner, Hill and Lawrence. They could be desperate to play to forget for a moment the off-field woes at Sixways. This though is a team game and, whether match fit or not, van Graan faces a challenge in how he integrates them into the squad. The decision may be made for him by a mounting injury list. It would be no surprise to see at least one of the loan quartet on the bench at least. Van Graan and Ferreira want to effect a culture change. Could more fresh blood, albeit temporary, help grow that change?
Change looks likely in the back 5 selection due to injury and at centre to shore up the defence. I hope that a place can be found for Ewan Richards, now over a niggle and fit enough to be 24th man last weekend. His height, heft and pace is needed and when given a chance last season he showed he has the guts and character for the toughest scrap. Centre may be a trickier selection test. Would a Bailey/Francis 10/12 combo solidify the midfield or should van Graan take a punt on Ollie Lawrence slotting in after only a couple of training sessions?
Amid the desperate results, the opening fixtures have offered mild glows of hope. The scrum, maul and maul defence are much improved and last year’s second half capitulations have been replaced by late defiance. Bath must turn these glows into the full flame of an eighty-minute performance: full -on concentration, dominant defence, accuracy and ruthlessness. Only then can they pick off the Cherry and Whites.
Possible Teams:
Bath: Boyce, Dunn, Stuart, Attwood, Roux, Reid, Bayliss, Hill. Schreuder, Bailey.Hamer-Webb, Francis, Joseph, Cokanasiga. Gallagher.
Replacements: Schoeman, Annett, Coetzee, Etete, Richards. Green, Lawrence, McConnochie.
Gloucester: Rapava-Ruskin, Singleton, Balmain, Clarke, Alemanno, Ackermann, Reid, Tuisue. Meehan, Hastings. May, Atkinson, Harris, Rees-Zammit. Evans.
Replacements: Socino, Elrington, Ford-Robinson, Craig, Ludlow. Chapman, Twelvetrees, Carreras.
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Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 11:09
We simply must get out of the blocks and rip into Gloucester from the first whistle. We have to take the game to them, put them on the back foot and keep them there. 1-23, high intensity, full commitment, play on the edge for 80 minutes and not switch off for a second.
I doubt we can achieve that in all honesty, but that is what we need.
I doubt we can achieve that in all honesty, but that is what we need.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 11:15
You're trying to sneak 16 on again PGT!
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
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Date: 04/10/2022 11:38
Bookies have Glaws odds on, c1/2, Bath against at c2/1...
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Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 11:45
More injuries and no effective defence strategy, no spirit and low confidence can only lead to another heavy defeat.
Glos by 30 pts.
Glos by 30 pts.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 11:51
Even in defeat, if we keep Glos to under 25 points, I'd consider it a big improvement.
Their driving maul is lethal, so I don't hold much hope if we're on the back foot and giving away penalties, but if it's 4 Attwood 5 Roux 6 Richards, we might nullify it a little. If someone can work out a way of getting B Spencer fit, I'd maybe upgrade my state of optimism from 'non-existent' to 'the faintest of glimmers'.
In fact, I'd just like to go in at half time in touch, which is a testament to how low my expectations have sunk.
Their driving maul is lethal, so I don't hold much hope if we're on the back foot and giving away penalties, but if it's 4 Attwood 5 Roux 6 Richards, we might nullify it a little. If someone can work out a way of getting B Spencer fit, I'd maybe upgrade my state of optimism from 'non-existent' to 'the faintest of glimmers'.
In fact, I'd just like to go in at half time in touch, which is a testament to how low my expectations have sunk.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 11:57
Hard to tell on TV but our defence on Saturday seemed narrow and easy to get around. Glos will surely try to emulate what Irish did and we should prepare accordingly. It seemed as though it only took one dummy runner on a line to suck in the outside backs.
We missed a few tackles too.
We need to be on parity at HT, we can't be chasing these wide margins every game.
Defence.
We missed a few tackles too.
We need to be on parity at HT, we can't be chasing these wide margins every game.
Defence.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 12:03
During both our home games I attended the defence, if you can call it that, was easy to get around and our tackling was pathetic. Our defence coach hasn’t made any positive impact and mostly the players seem to be wandering around.
It’s not a matter of will Glocs get a TBP it’s just how long in the first half will it take them to get it.
It’s not a matter of will Glocs get a TBP it’s just how long in the first half will it take them to get it.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 12:05
Good job your football team are top of the Prem or I'd worry about you!
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: nigewing (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 13:55
I will be there with 4 Glaws supporting mates who will be expecting another mauling by them as last season at Castle Grim. My brother, who only sees Bath lose, is coming along so I will attend in hope that our 23 perform as well as the local pubs look after their beers 🤞
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 15:54
Quote:OutsideBath
During both our home games I attended the defence, if you can call it that, was easy to get around and our tackling was pathetic. Our defence coach hasn’t made any positive impact and mostly the players seem to be wandering around.
It’s not a matter of will Glocs get a TBP it’s just how long in the first half will it take them to get it.
+1
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 16:38
I can't think of much that would be worse for squad morale than including Hill over Ellis or Lawrence over Butt. Whether they are better players is neither here nor there. It just feels incredibly disrespectful to parachute them in over a/ a player who has fought hard to get back from an operated shoulder, and b/ a player who just never seems to be given an opportunity.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: Griff (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 16:47
Last year we gave away penalties and Glaws kicked to the corner and scored. Open play our defence is very poor and to many missed tackles, however our maul and red zone defence has been much better this season. I expect Glaws to win but if we actually defende in the wide channels coming away with an LBP would be an achievement
"It's all right, Andy! It's just bolognaise!"
"It's all right, Andy! It's just bolognaise!"
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 17:37
I take your point, Opti, but one thing worse for squad morale would be another embarrassing defeat by +50 points to one of our nearest and dearest rivals. We're at such a low that if picking Lawrence gives us a better chance of getting a decent result (even a brave defeat would be an uptick), I'm all for it.
Appreciate there's a balancing act between, say, short and long-term benefits, and whether picking a fully motivated Butt is better than a newly arrived Larence, but I'd give anything for a half-ok day on the scoreboard and clearly JvG, a man who is reputedly very good at the management soft skills, thinks we need some fresh impetus. Despite the start he's made, I trust him to get it right.
(...cue 13-53 on Saturday with Lawrence going off injured after 7 minutes and us having a 6-2 bench).
Appreciate there's a balancing act between, say, short and long-term benefits, and whether picking a fully motivated Butt is better than a newly arrived Larence, but I'd give anything for a half-ok day on the scoreboard and clearly JvG, a man who is reputedly very good at the management soft skills, thinks we need some fresh impetus. Despite the start he's made, I trust him to get it right.
(...cue 13-53 on Saturday with Lawrence going off injured after 7 minutes and us having a 6-2 bench).
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 17:43
Quote:nigewing
I will be there with 4 Glaws supporting mates who will be expecting another mauling by them as last season at Castle Grim. My brother, who only sees Bath lose, is coming along so I will attend in hope that our 23 perform as well as the local pubs look after their beers 🤞
That’s brave, I hope you don’t mind being laughed at all afternoon!
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 17:49
From recent experience try very hard not to give penalties and easy entries into your 22 away as their maul is very, very good indeed. They weren't great at getting their backs involved despite their quality there so not feeding them with loose kicked ball is good too!
That said in the warm up at ours they were running lots of drills using the centres; Atkinson and 36 to put in huge miss two passes to Thorley and LRZ out wide on the touchlines. Our midfield defence jamming in seemed to stop that but in the warm-up it was making me nervous (despite the accuracy being a bit hit and miss)
Best of luck
That said in the warm up at ours they were running lots of drills using the centres; Atkinson and 36 to put in huge miss two passes to Thorley and LRZ out wide on the touchlines. Our midfield defence jamming in seemed to stop that but in the warm-up it was making me nervous (despite the accuracy being a bit hit and miss)
Best of luck
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: Shorty Shorty iiv (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 19:21
Quote:Optimist
I can't think of much that would be worse for squad morale than including Hill over Ellis or Lawrence over Butt. Whether they are better players is neither here nor there. It just feels incredibly disrespectful to parachute them in over a/ a player who has fought hard to get back from an operated shoulder, and b/ a player who just never seems to be given an opportunity.
Not totally dismissing your points but at the end of day these are professional sportsman, if they are not deemed to be as good as someone else, however long they’ve been at the club, they need to use that disappointment to drive them to be better. The likes of Ellis have been around long enough to know how the games works.
Let’s face it, we’re not winning, we need to find a way to win, if that’s with loaners then so be it.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 19:51
Quote:Optimist
I can't think of much that would be worse for squad morale than including Hill over Ellis or Lawrence over Butt. Whether they are better players is neither here nor there. It just feels incredibly disrespectful to parachute them in over a/ a player who has fought hard to get back from an operated shoulder, and b/ a player who just never seems to be given an opportunity.
Entirely agree.
I can think of one thing worse though.
Parachuting the Worcester players in, fracturing morale in the squad, and then still getting stuffed by 50 points.
No improvement in the result and massive deterioration in morale would be the worst double whammy of all.
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Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: Shorty Shorty iiv (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 20:15
We have a multitude of potentially season ending injuries, we’ve secured 4 very good players on loan to help fill these positions and push for our first win, should there really be much more to this story?? Are we creating our own drama here?!
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 20:50
Quote:Optimist
I can't think of much that would be worse for squad morale than including Hill over Ellis or Lawrence over Butt. Whether they are better players is neither here nor there. It just feels incredibly disrespectful to parachute them in over a/ a player who has fought hard to get back from an operated shoulder, and b/ a player who just never seems to be given an opportunity.
True. Interestingly you can actually pinpoint Bath's decline to the moment to the club parachuted Rhys Webb in over Chris Cook and Max Green (the former of which had his fair share of injuries and the latter just never seemed to be given an opportunity) and morale 'fractured'.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 00:07
Quote:The BearQuote:Optimist
I can't think of much that would be worse for squad morale than including Hill over Ellis or Lawrence over Butt. Whether they are better players is neither here nor there. It just feels incredibly disrespectful to parachute them in over a/ a player who has fought hard to get back from an operated shoulder, and b/ a player who just never seems to be given an opportunity.
True. Interestingly you can actually pinpoint Bath's decline to the moment to the club parachuted Rhys Webb in over Chris Cook and Max Green (the former of which had his fair share of injuries and the latter just never seemed to be given an opportunity) and morale 'fractured'.
Our decline goes back a lot further than that. 1997 and the onset of professionalism, to be precise. We didn't adapt, others did and our exceptionalism prevented us from seeing it.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 00:36
Rhys Webb joined Bath less than two and a half years ago. I think that's a little recent for decline, which has basically been since Owen Farrell took Anthony Watson out in the prem final.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 09:26
Personally the decline possibly starts with the Burgess affair. Parachuting in someone who is better than you gives you another push to improve. If the player clearly isn’t better then that is as you say demoralising. With the number of injuries I don’t know that parachuting even applies to all except maybe Lawrence and with rotation opportunities will still exist for those good enough to take them.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 09:41
I've said this elsewhere. I think the decline became deep rooted in the lead up to the drugs scandal and the exposure of that showed the depths that it had sunk to. Complete breakdown in discipline and unity, factionalised players, young players being led in the wrong direction and toxic behaviour from a group of senior players, all apparently without any influence from the coaching team. I don't think the club has ever recovered from the fallout of that. It has never managed to rebuild trust and unity and the club has never repaired the damage done to its reputation.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 10:27
Quote:hasta
decline ... has basically been since Owen Farrell took Anthony Watson out in the prem final.
That was certainly a sliding doors moment. Win that final (I still think that was perfectly possible if Ant hadn't been concussed while they scored their first try and/or Farrell had got the red-card he deserved) and who knows how things would have panned out for Ford(s) and Bath.
That remains the peak of the post HC/professional era, and there is little but misery and decline ever since.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 10:34
Quote:OptimistQuote:hasta
decline ... has basically been since Owen Farrell took Anthony Watson out in the prem final.
That was certainly a sliding doors moment. Win that final (I still think that was perfectly possible if Ant hadn't been concussed while they scored their first try and/or Farrell had got the red-card he deserved) and who knows how things would have panned out for Ford(s) and Bath.
That remains the peak of the post HC/professional era, and there is little but misery and decline ever since.
+1
Things could have been so different had we won that final, however we didn't and are now out of our depth in the PL.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 10:43
I thought this thread was about the game this weekend?
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 10:54
Back to the game then (via the topic of new arrivals), I think that including a couple of the new players on the bench would be more likely, if only for the sheer practicality of learning calls etc.
Bath's instagram has a post saying 'you might see some new faces in BBW this Saturday', including photos of all except Hill (who is possibly the player people are most excited to see)?
I guess we also don't know the physical state of various players. Ellis, for example, having played Wednesday/Saturday after a long lay-off, could be a bit shot.
Bath's instagram has a post saying 'you might see some new faces in BBW this Saturday', including photos of all except Hill (who is possibly the player people are most excited to see)?
I guess we also don't know the physical state of various players. Ellis, for example, having played Wednesday/Saturday after a long lay-off, could be a bit shot.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 11:17
Yes I think that OL will be involved. JVG seems very excited about him.
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Asked why he has signed 23-year-old Lawrence - who is just on the periphery of Eddie Jones’ England squad with less than a year to the Rugby World Cup - initially van Graan answered with two words - “Gain line.”
He continued: “He is an international standard player. Ollie is somebody who wants to achieve, somebody who is exceptional both sides of the ball, somebody who offers a poach threat, has good feet, a good hand off, good balance and somebody I really enjoyed talking to when I spoke to him.”
He added: “I think the composition of the squad is going to take time and he adds something different to the centres we currently have. I am going to add people who I think can make a difference and for now for the short term I think he can make a difference.”
SomersetLive understands Bath have had Lawrence on their wanted list for some time, having tried to sign the 23-year-old on a permanent deal a couple of years ago, well before before van Graan arrived at the club from Munster.
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Asked why he has signed 23-year-old Lawrence - who is just on the periphery of Eddie Jones’ England squad with less than a year to the Rugby World Cup - initially van Graan answered with two words - “Gain line.”
He continued: “He is an international standard player. Ollie is somebody who wants to achieve, somebody who is exceptional both sides of the ball, somebody who offers a poach threat, has good feet, a good hand off, good balance and somebody I really enjoyed talking to when I spoke to him.”
He added: “I think the composition of the squad is going to take time and he adds something different to the centres we currently have. I am going to add people who I think can make a difference and for now for the short term I think he can make a difference.”
SomersetLive understands Bath have had Lawrence on their wanted list for some time, having tried to sign the 23-year-old on a permanent deal a couple of years ago, well before before van Graan arrived at the club from Munster.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 11:20
Quote:Optimist
Back to the game then (via the topic of new arrivals), I think that including a couple of the new players on the bench would be more likely, if only for the sheer practicality of learning calls etc.
Bath's instagram has a post saying 'you might see some new faces in BBW this Saturday', including photos of all except Hill (who is possibly the player people are most excited to see)?
I guess we also don't know the physical state of various players. Ellis, for example, having played Wednesday/Saturday after a long lay-off, could be a bit shot.
Think Hill may be coming back from a knock?
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 11:23
Quote:charlieboa
Think Hill may be coming back from a knock?
Hammy.
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Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 11:48
Quote:BathMatt53
Yes I think that OL will be involved. JVG seems very excited about him.
What's he like defending?
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 11:54
Quote:charlieboa
Think Hill may be coming back from a knock?
Would be peak Bath for him to be injured for the full term of his loan spell!!
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Posted by: Enu (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 12:46
As I understand it, due to the winding up of WRFC Payers Ltd today, all players are now free agents. If any of the Worc players had contract offers for post the 'notice' period I'd expect them to be actioned very soon and any players who was to go on loan told not to by their new club. I can't believe that OL and TH would not have new contracts lined up - even if they were to be overseas.
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 13:06
They may become free agents but they will want to hear from Diamond before signing elsewhere. He will have an idea if there is any chance of incoming funds that could re float the club?
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Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 21:08
Just saw on Twitter (Miles Reads) account that Oddballs sorted out the boys with some kit. All smiles at Bath at the moment looking at that picture. Someone needs to tell those lads to knuckle down or ship out. Bottom of the league.....again!
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Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 21:14
Not sure looking miserable would improve our fortunes. Kit them out in hair shirts perhaps?
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Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 22:07
Quote:Bath Blues
Just saw on Twitter (Miles Reads) account that Oddballs sorted out the boys with some kit. All smiles at Bath at the moment looking at that picture. Someone needs to tell those lads to knuckle down or ship out. Bottom of the league.....again!
Just out of interest how do you think that situation would look for a successful (on the pitch)side?
If it was as simple as telling them to look miserable in photos and not do anything rugby related and look like you were enjoying it they would have tried it already.
Anything that raises team moral is usually regarded as positive but hey you want misery try reading up on eeyore.
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Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 12:00
Quote:Bath Blues
Just saw on Twitter (Miles Reads) account that Oddballs sorted out the boys with some kit. All smiles at Bath at the moment looking at that picture. Someone needs to tell those lads to knuckle down or ship out. Bottom of the league.....again!
Smiling and wearing new kit? Disgusting. Sack the lot of them
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 12:25
Quote:theredseatQuote:Bath Blues
Just saw on Twitter (Miles Reads) account that Oddballs sorted out the boys with some kit. All smiles at Bath at the moment looking at that picture. Someone needs to tell those lads to knuckle down or ship out. Bottom of the league.....again!
Smiling and wearing new kit? Disgusting. Sack the lot of them
..and for charity too, disgusting.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
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Posted by: BathIron (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 19:16
I found the barbed comments from George Skivington re Bath taking 4 Worcester players on loan a tad unnecessary. I'm sure we would have preferred to use the extended squad but we've been hit with pretty extraordinary long-term injuries - Ewels, Obano, Underhill, McNally, Van Velze, Cloete, Coetzee, Muir (and who knows on Spencer x 2, Redpath de Glanville).
These guys will be seriously motivated and may help kick-start our campaign.
These guys will be seriously motivated and may help kick-start our campaign.
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 22:03
What did Skivington say, BI?
PG
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Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 00:02
Happy with the squad he's got trusts them and would rather give them opportunities than use loanees. Might have been quoted out of context as sounded like a bit of a dig although would go down well with his own players. Mind you, Glos in far less need of new bodies right now-not sure what their injury situation is but it's a squad/club on the rise. Now he's set out his stance means he'd look a bit hypocritical should he deviate from that. Some good players now seeking new clubs.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 07:48
I think skivington is saying the right things from a glos perspective.
They are in a completely different space to us and have the luxury of backing a squad going well with relatively few major injuries in comparison.
If they get loads of injuries in next few months and the wuss guys add real value for us I guess in private he may feel differently.
Really interested to see our squad today. Could see Lawrence start and Fergus on the bench feasibly.
They are in a completely different space to us and have the luxury of backing a squad going well with relatively few major injuries in comparison.
If they get loads of injuries in next few months and the wuss guys add real value for us I guess in private he may feel differently.
Really interested to see our squad today. Could see Lawrence start and Fergus on the bench feasibly.
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Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 10:26
This is what he said
“I really like this group we have got and if I keep them all in the building I will,” he said following a start to the season where his team have played just two Premiership matches so far due to a bye week and the cancellation of last weekend’s game with Worcester.
“We all get the chance, we all get to look at the players who are out there and that sort of thing and all the clubs will have the same agents ringing them saying listen, so and so is on offer. But from my point of view I like the squad we have got, I like backing young players like you see with Harry Taylor and Cam Jordan and these lads.
Theres nothing wrong with it in my opinion.
“I really like this group we have got and if I keep them all in the building I will,” he said following a start to the season where his team have played just two Premiership matches so far due to a bye week and the cancellation of last weekend’s game with Worcester.
“We all get the chance, we all get to look at the players who are out there and that sort of thing and all the clubs will have the same agents ringing them saying listen, so and so is on offer. But from my point of view I like the squad we have got, I like backing young players like you see with Harry Taylor and Cam Jordan and these lads.
Theres nothing wrong with it in my opinion.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 11:57
Pretty hard to make any comment about Bath right now that doesn't fall under one or more of:
- barbed
- patronising
- schadenfreude
- perplexed
- despairing
- glass empty
- who?
- barbed
- patronising
- schadenfreude
- perplexed
- despairing
- glass empty
- who?
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:00
Team up. Lawrence starts:
Bath Rugby team to play Gloucester
15 Matt Gallagher, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 12 Cameron Redpath, 11 Gabriel Hamer-Webb, 10 Piers Francis, 9 Louis Schreuder; 1 Juan Schoeman, 2 Tom Dunn ©, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Dave Attwood, 5 Quinn Roux, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Miles Reid, 8 Nahum Merigan
Impact players
16 Niall Annett, 17 Arthur Cordwell, 18 Aranos Coetzee, 19 Ewan Richards, 20 Richard de Carpentier, 21 Max Green, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Will Butt
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
Bath Rugby team to play Gloucester
15 Matt Gallagher, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 12 Cameron Redpath, 11 Gabriel Hamer-Webb, 10 Piers Francis, 9 Louis Schreuder; 1 Juan Schoeman, 2 Tom Dunn ©, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Dave Attwood, 5 Quinn Roux, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Miles Reid, 8 Nahum Merigan
Impact players
16 Niall Annett, 17 Arthur Cordwell, 18 Aranos Coetzee, 19 Ewan Richards, 20 Richard de Carpentier, 21 Max Green, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Will Butt
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:04
Ctrl C, Ctrl X
Good-looking side that.
Good-looking side that.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:09
Summed up by the two words: go forward.
Big pack stuffed with ball carriers and Lawrence and JCok should ask questions of Hastings. Almost feels like we’ve torn it up and gone back to square one. Of course, injuries dictating a lot of who plays, but that team feels like it’s been picked with a different, more confrontational game plan in mind.
Like last week, Spencer at 9 and we’ve got a slim hope. Without him, I can’t see anything other than a solid Glos win. Still, I’ll watch this week as interested to see what Roux, Ellis, Merigan and Lawrence bring.
Big pack stuffed with ball carriers and Lawrence and JCok should ask questions of Hastings. Almost feels like we’ve torn it up and gone back to square one. Of course, injuries dictating a lot of who plays, but that team feels like it’s been picked with a different, more confrontational game plan in mind.
Like last week, Spencer at 9 and we’ve got a slim hope. Without him, I can’t see anything other than a solid Glos win. Still, I’ll watch this week as interested to see what Roux, Ellis, Merigan and Lawrence bring.
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Posted by: Griff (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:14
Quote:woodpecker
This is what he said
“I really like this group we have got and if I keep them all in the building I will,” he said following a start to the season where his team have played just two Premiership matches so far due to a bye week and the cancellation of last weekend’s game with Worcester.
“We all get the chance, we all get to look at the players who are out there and that sort of thing and all the clubs will have the same agents ringing them saying listen, so and so is on offer. But from my point of view I like the squad we have got, I like backing young players like you see with Harry Taylor and Cam Jordan and these lads.
Theres nothing wrong with it in my opinion.
I wonder what the George Skivington of season 20/21 would have done when Glaws finished 11th and some Glaws fans were calling for him to be sacked!! I would like to think after 2 full seasons of recruitment he's happy with his player group!
"It's all right, Andy! It's just bolognaise!"
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:15
Looks a good side...........
Just got to make sure they have their laces done up at KO instead of doing them up at half time..!!
Just got to make sure they have their laces done up at KO instead of doing them up at half time..!!
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Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:16
Shepherds crook for JJ, Ojomoh , Boyce and Bayliss......... or are there yet more injuries?
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adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:20
Seems like quite a strong side, haven't been impressed by Merigan in the past but seemed like he had a good game against Gloucester in the cup game last week.
I'm still concerned by the churn. Rae, Boyce, Bayliss, JJ, Ojomoh, White all dropped.
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I'm still concerned by the churn. Rae, Boyce, Bayliss, JJ, Ojomoh, White all dropped.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:23
Quote:copester
Shepherds crook for JJ, Ojomoh , Boyce and Bayliss......... or are there yet more injuries?
Ojomoh is clear 2nd choice to Redpath. Lawrence has apparantly been looking amazing already in his time at Farleigh so that's the right decision for me. COYB!
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:27
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:copester
Shepherds crook for JJ, Ojomoh , Boyce and Bayliss......... or are there yet more injuries?
Ojomoh is clear 2nd choice to Redpath. Lawrence has apparently been looking amazing already in his time at Farleigh so that's the right decision for me. COYB!
If we are keen to sign him beyond the month loan, then making him feel very welcome from the get-go makes a lot of sense
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:27
Gloucester Team News
15. Lloyd Evans
14. Louis Rees-Zammit
13. Giorgi Kveseladze
12. Mark Atkinson
11. Santiago Carreras
10. Adam Hastings
9. Ben Meehan
1. Val Rapava-Ruskin
2. Santiago Socino
3. Fraser Balmain
4. Freddie Clarke
5. Matias Alemanno
6. Ruan Ackermann
7. Lewis Ludlow
8. Albert Tuisue
16. Jack Singleton
17. Ciaran Knight
18. Jamal Ford-Robinson
19. Cam Jordan
20. Jordy Reid
21. Charlie Chapman
22. Jack Reeves
23. Jonny May
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
15. Lloyd Evans
14. Louis Rees-Zammit
13. Giorgi Kveseladze
12. Mark Atkinson
11. Santiago Carreras
10. Adam Hastings
9. Ben Meehan
1. Val Rapava-Ruskin
2. Santiago Socino
3. Fraser Balmain
4. Freddie Clarke
5. Matias Alemanno
6. Ruan Ackermann
7. Lewis Ludlow
8. Albert Tuisue
16. Jack Singleton
17. Ciaran Knight
18. Jamal Ford-Robinson
19. Cam Jordan
20. Jordy Reid
21. Charlie Chapman
22. Jack Reeves
23. Jonny May
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:30
Sorry to put a downer on it but we just have too many good players missing and we have no right to expect anything good to come of a game against a very strong and well organised Gloucester team that is missing very few.
Hoping for the best, expecting the worst.
Hoping for the best, expecting the worst.
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Posted by: ollyshep (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:31
i dont see why everyone raves about Ellis? yes he works really hard but he gets physically dominated every game.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:40
Quote:ollyshep
i dont see why everyone raves about Ellis? yes he works really hard but he gets physically dominated every game.
I don't see that personally.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:53
I don’t see that either. I think we get physically dominated when he’s not playing. Ellis at 6 gives our back row the crucial element of balance.
I’m increasingly convinced you can’t play Reid and Bayliss in the same back row. They’re very good young players, but in the Prem you need more weight in the XV across 6,7,8. Same with White, Cloete and Underhill. These guys are, for me, pretty much all 7s.
Hence, I think it’s interesting we’ve gone with a big 6 and a carrying 8. As I said above, feels like going back to basics and I’m hoping that, for the first time in a long time, behind Roux and Attwood, the back row get on the front foot and don’t get physically dominated.
I’m increasingly convinced you can’t play Reid and Bayliss in the same back row. They’re very good young players, but in the Prem you need more weight in the XV across 6,7,8. Same with White, Cloete and Underhill. These guys are, for me, pretty much all 7s.
Hence, I think it’s interesting we’ve gone with a big 6 and a carrying 8. As I said above, feels like going back to basics and I’m hoping that, for the first time in a long time, behind Roux and Attwood, the back row get on the front foot and don’t get physically dominated.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 12:55
Ellis is ridiculously powerful. He hits rucks hard, his maul defence is excellent and he provides a really good lineout option.
It's his mobility that I think holds him back. He looks like a second row playing in the backrow to me rather than a natural flanker.
It's his mobility that I think holds him back. He looks like a second row playing in the backrow to me rather than a natural flanker.
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 13:08
That does look like a team prepared for a confrontational approach & I expect will be an improvement on the first half last Saturday.
With all the changes I cannot see them winning though.
If we are to lose consistently and play limited rugby, I wonder how long it will take for fans to get as disenchanted with this coahing team as with the last?
PG
With all the changes I cannot see them winning though.
If we are to lose consistently and play limited rugby, I wonder how long it will take for fans to get as disenchanted with this coahing team as with the last?
PG
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 13:10
Quote:Optimist
Ctrl C, Ctrl X
Good-looking side that.
Pedant alert - Ctrl V?
I do think that at some stage JvG will begin to make a difference. Seeing players in training and in matches is very different and this is still early days in terms of imposing his vision.
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 13:20
Don't have a problem with Ellis's power and attitude - his tendency to lose discipline and give away dumb penalties has been what has made me tear my hair out.
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 13:26
I take it we still have issues at TH Prop to see A Coetzee still here or hopefully we have kept him for the season.
We are struggling at present no doubt about it and this selection tells you that we are looking for a kick and confrontational battle - once crumb of comfort I do see is that Chris Harris is missing from their lineup - Harris is massively under rated IMHO his defensive capabilities are up there with the best so maybe just maybe if we can get parity and no reason with that front 5 that we won't we might be able to get some success.
We need to really get behind the boys tomorrow and cheer them and in particular give Ollie Lawrence a welcome to remember.
We are struggling at present no doubt about it and this selection tells you that we are looking for a kick and confrontational battle - once crumb of comfort I do see is that Chris Harris is missing from their lineup - Harris is massively under rated IMHO his defensive capabilities are up there with the best so maybe just maybe if we can get parity and no reason with that front 5 that we won't we might be able to get some success.
We need to really get behind the boys tomorrow and cheer them and in particular give Ollie Lawrence a welcome to remember.
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Posted by: BiggusDickus (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 13:28
Surprised to see Stuart paying as a senior player he has been hopeless this season and was very poor against LI. He has not looked interested once the first scores against Bath invariably are scored.
I would like to have seen Coetzee starting with an other on the bench as Will has been playing and acting like a big shot Billy without firing any big shots.
Our game plan must be sending runners all day at Hastings who is a boy band show pony that could not tackle a bale of hay. Run over the top of him and generate quick ball then launch Lawrence et al at them.
We miss de Glanvilles lines of running and gliding pace but Gallagher has been very good to date and Orlando has been struggling this season so hopefully Francis will step up and I think that we will give them a game and may be sneak a win.
Come On My Lovers
I would like to have seen Coetzee starting with an other on the bench as Will has been playing and acting like a big shot Billy without firing any big shots.
Our game plan must be sending runners all day at Hastings who is a boy band show pony that could not tackle a bale of hay. Run over the top of him and generate quick ball then launch Lawrence et al at them.
We miss de Glanvilles lines of running and gliding pace but Gallagher has been very good to date and Orlando has been struggling this season so hopefully Francis will step up and I think that we will give them a game and may be sneak a win.
Come On My Lovers
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 13:38
Quote:Ali1969
once crumb of comfort I do see is that Chris Harris is missing from their lineup - Harris is massively under rated IMHO
.... does a British & Irish Lions cap not make a player 'rated' these days?
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 13:45
Quote:P G Tips
That does look like a team prepared for a confrontational approach & I expect will be an improvement on the first half last Saturday.
With all the changes I cannot see them winning though.
If we are to lose consistently and play limited rugby, I wonder how long it will take for fans to get as disenchanted with this coahing team as with the last?
PG
Confrontational ???.......Never ! How many cards from Tom Foley as Sir ?
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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 13:46
I am surprised about the number of negative comments about the selection this week. As a club we are 0 from 5. Could you imagine the uproar if we picked the same side as last week? JvG and his team are, I imagine looking for some combinations to spark a win and they need time to work out who can perform where and it what context. Understanding what he has at his disposal will take time and with no relegation this year he can have as much time as he needs to work it out, provided we see some green shoots. I particularly like our centre combination who have played together before and are apparently best mates.
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Posted by: Griff (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 14:20
Quote:nick holder
I am surprised about the number of negative comments about the selection this week. As a club we are 0 from 5. Could you imagine the uproar if we picked the same side as last week? JvG and his team are, I imagine looking for some combinations to spark a win and they need time to work out who can perform where and it what context. Understanding what he has at his disposal will take time and with no relegation this year he can have as much time as he needs to work it out, provided we see some green shoots. I particularly lie our centre combination who have played together before and are apparently best mates.
+1 Stop talking sense Nick you'll get a reputation
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 14:22
Quote:nick holder
Could you imagine the uproar if we picked the same side as last week?
Agree with that. If certain combinations really click, and they can be consistently picked, then great. But mostly we need a system that players can slot into, with full use of the squad to guard against further attrition.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 14:23
Quote:Old Bath TubQuote:P G Tips
That does look like a team prepared for a confrontational approach & I expect will be an improvement on the first half last Saturday.
With all the changes I cannot see them winning though.
If we are to lose consistently and play limited rugby, I wonder how long it will take for fans to get as disenchanted with this coahing team as with the last?
PG
Confrontational ???.......Never ! How many cards from Tom Foley as Sir ?
Sums up our season to have one of the worst refs on the PL for this game.
Glos stronger on paper and stronger in coaching setup. We will obviously all be there doing our bit, but Glos by 30.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 14:28
Here's the team we should be cheering out:
Obano
Dunn
Stuart
Ewels
Attwood
Cloete
Underhill
Coetzee
Spencer
Bailey
Muir
Redpath
Joseph
Cokanasiga
De Glanville
Annett, Boyce, Rae, McNally, Bayliss, Schreuder, Francis, McConnochie
I think we could reasonably expect this team to beat Gloucester at the Rec.
We won't see anything like this team for the whole season.
Obano
Dunn
Stuart
Ewels
Attwood
Cloete
Underhill
Coetzee
Spencer
Bailey
Muir
Redpath
Joseph
Cokanasiga
De Glanville
Annett, Boyce, Rae, McNally, Bayliss, Schreuder, Francis, McConnochie
I think we could reasonably expect this team to beat Gloucester at the Rec.
We won't see anything like this team for the whole season.
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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 14:58
Not sure what your point is Malco - I very much doubt any team will see their 'first' team all season
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 14:59
Its v rare for any club to have more than about 15 of their first choice 23 available isn't it?
Possibly about 14 of that 23 you name are available - some not picked I assume and I would argue that coetzee is better than rae and roux is better than at least 1 of the 3 locks named.
Do agree though that we are missing too many of our better , most influential players to expect a result tomorrow given woeful form.
Bit bemused by comments about ellis' lack of power - he is extremely powerful and exceptional in defensive and offensive mauls. Could do with adding to his carrying game and some indiscipline has crept in last few seasons. Would have richards at 6 myself
Backline looks better balanced with 2 big carriers.
Big opportunity for merigan, possibly cos last specialist 8 still standing but all the same he can carry and can prove he can do a job for us.
Fantastic to richards back in the 23- quality player to have back in the mix.
Possibly about 14 of that 23 you name are available - some not picked I assume and I would argue that coetzee is better than rae and roux is better than at least 1 of the 3 locks named.
Do agree though that we are missing too many of our better , most influential players to expect a result tomorrow given woeful form.
Bit bemused by comments about ellis' lack of power - he is extremely powerful and exceptional in defensive and offensive mauls. Could do with adding to his carrying game and some indiscipline has crept in last few seasons. Would have richards at 6 myself
Backline looks better balanced with 2 big carriers.
Big opportunity for merigan, possibly cos last specialist 8 still standing but all the same he can carry and can prove he can do a job for us.
Fantastic to richards back in the 23- quality player to have back in the mix.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 15:02
Quote:Malco
Here's the team we should be cheering out
Malco I get that its disappointing that players get injured in rugby and Bath players more than most, but I really don't understand your obsession with listing all those unavailable - seemingly every other day.
The simple fact is that even when most of those were available we didn't win much, as everyone keeps saying its not about the individual players anyway (how often so we start off by saying 'on paper...').
Those players aren't available. We need to get behind those who are.
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 15:09
I guess Lawrence is injured then, with your ideal 23, Malco? ;-)
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 15:14
In all honestly, I wouldn't be certain that our best 23 could beat Gloucester.
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 15:22
Quote:OptimistQuote:Ali1969
once crumb of comfort I do see is that Chris Harris is missing from their lineup - Harris is massively under rated IMHO
.... does a British & Irish Lions cap not make a player 'rated' these days?
Opti it does - however his name is rarely mentioned compared to others in the Glos side and indeed the Premiership as a whole.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 15:28
Quote:hemington
Not sure what your point is Malco - I very much doubt any team will see their 'first' team all season
Gloucester, tomorrow, are really only missing Chris Harris.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 15:29
Quote:hemington
Not sure what your point is Malco - I very much doubt any team will see their 'first' team all season
That's just not true. Three or four missing would be considered bad luck in normal times.
Gloucester, tomorrow, are really only missing Chris Harris.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 15:31
Quote:B4thB4ck
I guess Lawrence is injured then, with your ideal 23, Malco? ;-)
He's not our player. If all our players were fit he wouldn't be here. Don't get me wrong, I hope we can sign him. I think he's a better player than Joseph at this stage of his career. But he should be starting for Worcester tomorrow.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 15:45
Quote:MalcoQuote:hemington
Not sure what your point is Malco - I very much doubt any team will see their 'first' team all season
Gloucester, tomorrow, are really only missing Chris Harris.
Just sounds like a case of 'get your excuses in early' to me. That Bath team, all professional first team players bar Nahum Merigan, should be capable of competing in the Premiership.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 16:07
Quote:MalcoQuote:hemington
Not sure what your point is Malco - I very much doubt any team will see their 'first' team all season
Gloucester, tomorrow, are really only missing Chris Harris.
I have no idea what glos first 23 would look like but certainly seem to have less injuries than us.
Twelvetrees/thorley/Morgan available but not picked?
To matts point seems little point week after week bemoaning our injury list. It implies bad luck, we are hard done to and that the squad we put out is beaten before the whistle blows.
It can't be bad luck game after game, season after season, and other clubs manage to sneak wins whilst having injury crisis' so it shouldn't be impossible. Problem is no matter what squad we put out we are cr*p at rugby.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 16:08
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:MalcoQuote:hemington
Not sure what your point is Malco - I very much doubt any team will see their 'first' team all season
Gloucester, tomorrow, are really only missing Chris Harris.
Just sounds like a case of 'get your excuses in early' to me. That Bath team, all professional first team players bar Nahum Merigan, should be capable of competing in the Premiership.
I'm really bored of hearing that. What sports team in any major sport in the world would be expected to win without half its best players?
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 16:16
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:MalcoQuote:hemington
Not sure what your point is Malco - I very much doubt any team will see their 'first' team all season
Gloucester, tomorrow, are really only missing Chris Harris.
Just sounds like a case of 'get your excuses in early' to me. That Bath team, all professional first team players bar Nahum Merigan, should be capable of competing in the Premiership.
They should be capable, but the simple fact is they are not. Everything about the playing side of the club is championship level and that’s something we as fans have to accept.
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 16:19
Maybe players get injured throwing themselves into contact because we have been a poor team that plays under a lot of pressure, then we become a poor team also because we have so many injuries. This is why I am prepared to give JvG more time to break the cycle.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 17:00
Quote:Malco
I'm really bored of hearing that. What sports team in any major sport in the world would be expected to win without half its best players?
Sarries etc. do perfectly well without about a dozen internationals during the various competitions, they don't sit there having a whine about it - they crack on with what they have (and do a pretty good job). It's just pointless moaning, there is nothing that we as fans can do about it other than support the team on the pitch.
Gloucester have hardly played this season hence the almost total lack of injuries I would guess. Unfortunately I'm sure they will get their fair share over the course of the season, as they did with Polledri, May etc previously.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 17:05
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Malco
I'm really bored of hearing that. What sports team in any major sport in the world would be expected to win without half its best players?
Sarries etc. do perfectly well without about a dozen internationals during the various competitions, they don't sit there having a whine about it - they crack on with what they have (and do a pretty good job). It's just pointless moaning, there is nothing that we as fans can do about it other than support the team on the pitch.
Gloucester have hardly played this season hence the almost total lack of injuries I would guess. Unfortunately I'm sure they will get their fair share over the course of the season, as they did with Polledri, May etc previously.
A very good point regarding Sarries, they have a good coaching setup that ensures any players coming in fit seamlessly into their structure. They also recruit very well.
Bath don’t seem to be able to get the coaching setup right or find a way to recruit well.
We’ll see this tomorrow with our defending, the players will appear to have never met before.
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 17:41
Quote:MalcoQuote:BathMatt53Quote:MalcoQuote:hemington
Not sure what your point is Malco - I very much doubt any team will see their 'first' team all season
Gloucester, tomorrow, are really only missing Chris Harris.
Just sounds like a case of 'get your excuses in early' to me. That Bath team, all professional first team players bar Nahum Merigan, should be capable of competing in the Premiership.
I'm really bored of hearing that. What sports team in any major sport in the world would be expected to win without half its best players?
I am certainly not expecting a win and probably wouldn't even with a fully fit first choice 15. To get top half of the prem you only need to win 3 or 4 away matches if your home results are solid. Glaws away wouldn't come into that category
It is the performance that is so crucial and why last week was so disappointing. If our defence is as narrow and disjointed as it was in first half last week the likes of LRZ will crucify us out wide
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 17:46
Quote:gaz59
To get top half of the prem you only need to win 3 or 4 away matches if your home results are solid. Glaws away wouldn't come into that category
How about Glos at home?
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Posted by: ollyshep (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 19:22
I agree with your points about Ellis good in lineout defence and his work rate. I disagree with his physicality, for a big man he punches less of his size than peter stringer. He can not carry the ball with any sort of power nor make dominate tackles. He use to make 1-2 big hits a game and now he is very negative in the tackles. Not sure if thats to do with injures or confidence.
I hope he proves me wrong tomorrow and plays out of his skin.
I hope he proves me wrong tomorrow and plays out of his skin.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 21:53
Have a feeling that Francis, Redpath, Lawrence is going to click tomorrow, and forwards are going to go at it from the off. It’s time.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 23:00
Quote:Optimist
Have a feeling that Francis, Redpath, Lawrence is going to click tomorrow, and forwards are going to go at it from the off. It’s time.
That would certainly have the element of surprise.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 07:46
Quote:ollyshep
I agree with your points about Ellis good in lineout defence and his work rate. I disagree with his physicality, for a big man he punches less of his size than peter stringer. He can not carry the ball with any sort of power nor make dominate tackles. He use to make 1-2 big hits a game and now he is very negative in the tackles. Not sure if thats to do with injures or confidence.
I hope he proves me wrong tomorrow and plays out of his skin.
Agree that carrying and dominant tackles are his work ons.
Maul is definitely a strength and a key part of jvgs game. Lots of unseen good work there.
He was renowned for his explosive power when younger with some fairly absurd stats to back it up. Moved from lock where he partnered ewels for eng u20 but at 6ft 4 always a bit on the short side.
Totally agree he has plenty to prove as gone off the boil, been injured alot and slid well down the pecking order. Fingers crossed he goes well, he will need to to keep a backrow spot as we have so many options to come back in. Richards will be pushing him for a start next week I think.
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Posted by: Rob (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 07:55
A few points. On the face of it I'm glad to see Lawrence in the side. We just need a few players who can get over the gain line. However I'm guessing this could be having an effect amongst the squad. Players like JJ and Ojomo who have been through pre season and are well versed in Bath tactics, dropped like a stone. That is very hard to manage without JVG becoming unpopular/ losing the changing room.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think JJ deserves to be in the squad and Ojomo hasn't been good enough in defence but an opportunistic signing jumping ahead of you after being in the club for less than a week is going to put some folks noses out!
As for injuries. It's been like this for 6 or so seasons now. I'm wondering if we should get in an exorcist in?! Or spray holey water over the whole of Farleigh and the Rec. It feels like more than just bad luck but on the face of it Bath seem to be doing nothing wrong.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think JJ deserves to be in the squad and Ojomo hasn't been good enough in defence but an opportunistic signing jumping ahead of you after being in the club for less than a week is going to put some folks noses out!
As for injuries. It's been like this for 6 or so seasons now. I'm wondering if we should get in an exorcist in?! Or spray holey water over the whole of Farleigh and the Rec. It feels like more than just bad luck but on the face of it Bath seem to be doing nothing wrong.
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Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 08:55
Bath will be 25+ down at half time.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 09:01
I’m just hoping we don’t get any more serious injuries today.
If we can also keep Glos to less than 50 pts it will be a good day for Bath
If we can also keep Glos to less than 50 pts it will be a good day for Bath
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Posted by: Griff (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 09:41
Quote:Rob
A few points. On the face of it I'm glad to see Lawrence in the side. We just need a few players who can get over the gain line. However I'm guessing this could be having an effect amongst the squad. Players like JJ and Ojomo who have been through pre season and are well versed in Bath tactics, dropped like a stone. That is very hard to manage without JVG becoming unpopular/ losing the changing room.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think JJ deserves to be in the squad and Ojomo hasn't been good enough in defence but an opportunistic signing jumping ahead of you after being in the club for less than a week is going to put some folks noses out!
JJ was being released Ed Griffiths stepped in late in the day and got him to resign. Pure speculation but maybe JJ was being released to free space for a big direct running centre, which is something JvG likes, but that couldn't happen because of JJ staying
Agree Max and Mojo have been through preseason etc. but if they are not executing their game which JvG expects of them, then they will be in the firing line to be dropped. Plus if players do become petulant and don't like their noses being put out of joint as they don't like what JvG is doing then that will tell JvG everything he needs to know about their characters and whether he wants them in the squad.
Not a direct comparison, but back on the 1997 Lions Tour the players agreed that if you missed out on a test place it was your responsibility to congratulate the player taking your position and use that disappointment to raise your game. Same applies here for me if players are disappointed they are dropped use that as motivation to shove it back down JvG throat he made the wrong decision.BY doing that it lifts competition and raises the standard of the team
As for injuries. It's been like this for 6 or so seasons now. I'm wondering if we should get in an exorcist in?! Or spray holey water over the whole of Farleigh and the Rec. It feels like more than just bad luck but on the face of it Bath seem to be doing nothing wrong.
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Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 09:54
All those who played in the first half of the Irish game could have expected to be dropped. Ojomo is still learning and needs to be managed carefully. JJ knows he should be doing better. Noses will be put out of joint but that's life in sport, it should make you more determined to fight back. Playing Lawrence today is a risk. His job at Worcester has gone, his agent will be very busy securing a new job for him so mentally he may be in turmoil. My worry is that if he is on the point of signing for another club he may just go through the motions today, anxious to avoid injury. Conversely if his future is unassured he will be determined to show of what he can do.
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Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 10:10
I get the feeling JVG has been in Lawrence's ear already . I wouldn't be surprised if a few big names fall off he train at the end of the season, JJ, Stuart, W Spencer, Ellis, Boyce etc.
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adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 10:17
Quote:copester
I get the feeling JVG has been in Lawrence's ear already . I wouldn't be surprised if a few big names fall off he train at the end of the season, JJ, Stuart, W Spencer, Ellis, Boyce etc.
Well the train has broken down so something radical needs to happen.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 10:28
Quote:copester
I get the feeling JVG has been in Lawrence's ear already . I wouldn't be surprised if a few big names fall off he train at the end of the season, JJ, Stuart, W Spencer, Ellis, Boyce etc.
Stakes are massive for the players this season.
May be 2 less prem clubs by next season so c100 less spots for prem contracts.
Imagine a large number of our players are off contract.
Would expect conversations are already happening about Lawrence staying well beyond the next month if jvg likes what he sees and what he offers.
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 11:03
Pleased to see Merigan at #8 and I really hope he goes well today. His carries and tackling impressed me when he played Gloucester in the PRC a couple of weeks ago. Butt behind Lawrence seems a sensible call and I hope he goes well too. It feels like JJ's best days for us and England were in the M Ford era. Those were some days...
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Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Posted by: Murty7 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 11:49
Don't think Lawrence can be an injury replacement as we haven't (yet) lost a centre so must be within the cap. Hopefully we can keep him for the season
The view on here appears to be why would anyone sign for Bath. I think high on players agendas now will be financial stability of the club and with Bruce at the helm we score highly for that.
Maybe the future is brighter for Bath than some on here think..
The view on here appears to be why would anyone sign for Bath. I think high on players agendas now will be financial stability of the club and with Bruce at the helm we score highly for that.
Maybe the future is brighter for Bath than some on here think..
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 13:05
Quote:Murty7
Don't think Lawrence can be an injury replacement as we haven't (yet) lost a centre so must be within the cap. Hopefully we can keep him for the season
The view on here appears to be why would anyone sign for Bath. I think high on players agendas now will be financial stability of the club and with Bruce at the helm we score highly for that.
Maybe the future is brighter for Bath than some on here think..
Good point. I'm reliably informed Bruce was one of 2 or 3 other owners who voted for a return to a £6.4m cap so he must be comfortable about his future investment in Bath Rugby...
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Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 15:01
Whatever happens the Rec looks magnificent. Good luck!
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Date: 08/10/2022 15:16
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Posted by: Murty7 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 15:53
How was that not red
Redpath still upright with swingingarm direct to the chin Foley didn't loo, properly . If that had been a forward on the scrum half definitely a red.
Redpath still upright with swingingarm direct to the chin Foley didn't loo, properly . If that had been a forward on the scrum half definitely a red.
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Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 16:13
Lineout practice went well this week as did the kick chase.
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Posted by: manrow (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 16:18
Well done Dunn, about time Bath scored!
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Posted by: Woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 16:27
Bath aren’t that bad
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 16:41
Quote:Woodpecker
Bath aren’t that bad
Sometimes we are, especially at lineouts but there's hope in this performance...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Posted by: manrow (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 16:48
5 minutes to go, come on Bath, final piush for a win against Glaws!!
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Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 17:04
Hard lines Bath but plenty of positives to pick out of that performance. Do you think you can find cap to keep Lawrence? Coka with great impact too. Dunn his usual full-hearted performance.
Bring on next weekend
Bring on next weekend
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Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 17:08
To get that close without a functioning line out was unbelievable. Bailey needs kicking practice he has got the yips
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 17:18
Another loss but feel much better after that. I now see how by New Year, perhaps, JvG might have turned the ailing, off course tanker that is Bath Rugby around.
Front 5 were good. Ellis and Reid everywhere and physical. Lawrence heavily involved and a threat. Back 3 were excellent. JCok is like a new man these last few weeks. GH-W looks lively, just need to give him the ball more. Gallagher is a brilliant and smart player.
Problems were lineout (which I thought we’d fixed) and defence, which was so soft. Our game plan and game management in second half were much better too. Foley was ok… just a shame he attended to the stricken Atkinson rather than looking at Glos slowing our ball under the posts 5m out.
Hate losing. But an encouraging performance with a bit of grit and pride.
Front 5 were good. Ellis and Reid everywhere and physical. Lawrence heavily involved and a threat. Back 3 were excellent. JCok is like a new man these last few weeks. GH-W looks lively, just need to give him the ball more. Gallagher is a brilliant and smart player.
Problems were lineout (which I thought we’d fixed) and defence, which was so soft. Our game plan and game management in second half were much better too. Foley was ok… just a shame he attended to the stricken Atkinson rather than looking at Glos slowing our ball under the posts 5m out.
Hate losing. But an encouraging performance with a bit of grit and pride.
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Posted by: Hamptonite (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 17:48
Bailey needs some serious kicking tuition particularly following his second effort but I guess that problem isn’t so serious if Spencer is playing!
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Posted by: ChippenhamRoman (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 18:00
Lineouts, OMG! What was it, 7 or 8 of our own lost.
Basics.
J
Basics.
J
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Posted by: BathIron (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 18:37
Disappointing to lose but apparently three times more passes, almost triple the number of carries and gaining 510m to Gloucester's 183 - that has to give hope.
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Posted by: Woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 18:47
At least they looked like they’ve met before, even Olly Lawrence who they hadn’t
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 18:47
Quote:Hamptonite
Bailey needs some serious kicking tuition particularly following his second effort but I guess that problem isn’t so serious if Spencer is playing!
We have had Jon Callard on our staff for a few weeks now, not sure why OB was so off today but it was costly as were our 2nd half lineout errors...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Posted by: Rokobilly (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 18:53
Very frustrating. Gloucester had to do almost nothing for their 21 points and we shot ourselves in the feet time and again when we had chances to win the match.
Credit to Gloucester's defence though. They were tough and disciplined. They would have stopped more adept attacks than outs with that performance.
On the plus side, we didnt get hammered and I hope we sign Lawrence full time ASAP.
Credit to Gloucester's defence though. They were tough and disciplined. They would have stopped more adept attacks than outs with that performance.
On the plus side, we didnt get hammered and I hope we sign Lawrence full time ASAP.
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Posted by: Woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 18:53
Quote:Clarkey3kQuote:Hamptonite
Bailey needs some serious kicking tuition particularly following his second effort but I guess that problem isn’t so serious if Spencer is playing!
We have had Jon Callard on our staff for a few weeks now, not sure why OB was so off today but it was costly as were our 2nd half lineout errors...
There’s a general view that when a new kicking coach comes on board, things get worse before they improve
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 19:02
Yep, the stats being so in our favour feels a bit double edged. Great to have that much possession and territory… maddening we didn’t win as a result. Losing has become an entrenched habit and it’s breeding (or it’s being caused by) an enormous lack of confidence, especially in the opening quarter. We don’t get going until the 45th minute.
Still, I liked a lot of stuff today. The attitude. The game plan. New players (Lawrence, Roux, Annett, Gallagher) really stepping up. There is some hope - just a shame it’s Sarries away next week!
Still, I liked a lot of stuff today. The attitude. The game plan. New players (Lawrence, Roux, Annett, Gallagher) really stepping up. There is some hope - just a shame it’s Sarries away next week!
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 19:32
Quote:WoodpeckerQuote:Clarkey3kQuote:Hamptonite
Bailey needs some serious kicking tuition particularly following his second effort but I guess that problem isn’t so serious if Spencer is playing!
We have had Jon Callard on our staff for a few weeks now, not sure why OB was so off today but it was costly as were our 2nd half lineout errors...
There’s a general view that when a new kicking coach comes on board, things get worse before they improve
Yes, can understand why that would be. Personally though, when it comes to kicking I am of the view that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Much like, say a bowler in cricket, styles are individual and you should do whatever suits you best. I hope JC will prove me completely wrong.
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 19:51
Lots of positives. Lawrence made a huge impact. Gallagher, Roux, and Coetzee all looking like great signings.
However we still lost, despite looking very dominant in that second half - Where was our maul defence in the first half??
Its a home loss as well.. that's 5 losses now, 3 home defeats and we've probably only played 2 teams who'll be in the top half of the table.
However we still lost, despite looking very dominant in that second half - Where was our maul defence in the first half??
Its a home loss as well.. that's 5 losses now, 3 home defeats and we've probably only played 2 teams who'll be in the top half of the table.
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 20:25
Quote:copester
I get the feeling JVG has been in Lawrence's ear already . I wouldn't be surprised if a few big names fall off he train at the end of the season, JJ, Stuart, W Spencer, Ellis, Boyce etc.
Ellis must have read COML recently. He looked like a man trying to prove his detractors wrong.
PG
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Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 20:54
Quote:Woodpecker
There’s a general view that when a new kicking coach comes on board, things get worse before they improve
Does your new kicking coach moonlight as my chiropractor?
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 21:01
Well we didn’t ship 50 pts so that has to be a plus.
Still no sign of any coherent attack and OB really is a poor kicker. Would like to see Lawrence signed permanently.
Slightly improved performance, but we really do have a long way to progress to being a mediocre team.
Still no sign of any coherent attack and OB really is a poor kicker. Would like to see Lawrence signed permanently.
Slightly improved performance, but we really do have a long way to progress to being a mediocre team.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 21:05
That was a good performance and the result could easily have been different. Cokanasiga is getting better every time he plays. Lawrence showed what we have been missing at 13. We must do everything we can to keep him. Very worrying to see Francis, Schreuder and Green all get injured. If Ben Spencer isn't ready next week then we could be in a real hole. Ellis, Attwood, Dunn and Reed were all excellent.
Shame the lineout was a letdown, that cost us badly. It looked more like a communication and timing problem than a case of misfiring hookers.
Shame the lineout was a letdown, that cost us badly. It looked more like a communication and timing problem than a case of misfiring hookers.
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Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 21:48
Quote:OutsideBath
Well we didn’t ship 50 pts so that has to be a plus.
Still no sign of any coherent attack and OB really is a poor kicker. Would like to see Lawrence signed permanently.
Slightly improved performance, but we really do have a long way to progress to being a mediocre team.
He’s not a poor kicker. He missed two kicks, one of which was right on the touch line, and the other not far from it. Most Premiership kickers struggle right on the touch lines.
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Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 21:56
[quote P G Tips][quote copester]I get the feeling JVG has been in Lawrence's ear already . I wouldn't be surprised if a few big names fall off he train at the end of the season, JJ, Stuart, W Spencer, Ellis, Boyce etc.[/quote]
Ellis must have read COML recently. He looked like a man trying to prove his detractors wrong.
Certainly no personal detraction from me meant just a assessment that JVG will change up the squad to his taste. Thought Ellis played well. If we don't keep Lawrence, today has proved a direct 13 such as Butt is needed outside Redpath
Ellis must have read COML recently. He looked like a man trying to prove his detractors wrong.
Certainly no personal detraction from me meant just a assessment that JVG will change up the squad to his taste. Thought Ellis played well. If we don't keep Lawrence, today has proved a direct 13 such as Butt is needed outside Redpath
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 22:54
Quote:SJSQuote:OutsideBath
Well we didn’t ship 50 pts so that has to be a plus.
Still no sign of any coherent attack and OB really is a poor kicker. Would like to see Lawrence signed permanently.
Slightly improved performance, but we really do have a long way to progress to being a mediocre team.
He’s not a poor kicker. He missed two kicks, one of which was right on the touch line, and the other not far from it. Most Premiership kickers struggle right on the touch lines.
Disagree, he should have comfortably made both of them and in fact looked to have scuffed the second.
As a side issue Foley proved himself to be one of the worst refs in the PL. Doesn’t understand the meaning of offside and made a number of poor decisions that he should have got right affecting both teams.
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Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 23:18
Can stomach a loss when the attitude is like it was in the 2nd half. We stepped up.
Shame not to win but we were toothless in the first half again. Gloucester trying to over play - they should've kept it simpler and they'd have been well up.
What happened to the line out!?
Their 9 should've been red carded.
Their 3elrd try was obstruction - he lays a hand on his team mate, who is in front of him. Clear contact.
Thought Merigan was excellent today. A proper ball carrying 8.
Shame not to win but we were toothless in the first half again. Gloucester trying to over play - they should've kept it simpler and they'd have been well up.
What happened to the line out!?
Their 9 should've been red carded.
Their 3elrd try was obstruction - he lays a hand on his team mate, who is in front of him. Clear contact.
Thought Merigan was excellent today. A proper ball carrying 8.
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 23:42
OB kicked for goal very well last year. This year he's been significantly off his game. I don't know if he's changed something since Callard joined and needs time.
What the hell is going on with our lineout and how Charteris is still around I have zero idea.
What the hell is going on with our lineout and how Charteris is still around I have zero idea.
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Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 00:02
You don't win games if you.lose that many lineouts. I guess it's nice it's something new rather than the same old problems but the fear at each lineout was palpable.
Need to take our chances better - no try from the backs despite all the pressure - but you could see the JvG gameplay somewhat.
Lawrence was great, as was JoCo in attack (his tackling really is poor). The pack recovered in the 2nd half.
But still nothing in the win column...
Need to take our chances better - no try from the backs despite all the pressure - but you could see the JvG gameplay somewhat.
Lawrence was great, as was JoCo in attack (his tackling really is poor). The pack recovered in the 2nd half.
But still nothing in the win column...
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Posted by: nigewing (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 00:28
We did not clear our lines in a simple low risk way in first half resulting in penalties when we had possession. Result? Soft Glaws tries. Dumb by us.
We played all the rugby but not in the right parts of the pitch.
So we lost despite being the more positive side. Shame. We are still a bottom 4 side, as Glaws have been for 20 years apart from the odd blip.
Glaws meanwhile turned up with no intention of playing rugby apart from expecting us to make all the mistakes & gift them points. That just about worked for them but they are so boring & one dimensional. Did LRZ play today? Who?
Exactly. They are never going to be top 6 😱
We played all the rugby but not in the right parts of the pitch.
So we lost despite being the more positive side. Shame. We are still a bottom 4 side, as Glaws have been for 20 years apart from the odd blip.
Glaws meanwhile turned up with no intention of playing rugby apart from expecting us to make all the mistakes & gift them points. That just about worked for them but they are so boring & one dimensional. Did LRZ play today? Who?
Exactly. They are never going to be top 6 😱
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 01:40
Just watched the game. Forget the result, that was vastly encouraging. We competed well, we looked like we knew what we were trying to and we (mostly) played as a team. With a touch more clarity and confidence we would have won and that performance should help with both those things. A clear movement up from a very low baseline, admittedly.
With a huge nod to Tom Ellis, who I thought was immense, my man of the match on any other day would have been Joe Cokanasiga and if he's going to play like that from now on, he'll be man of the match more often than not. But.
My MOTM - Ollie Lawrence. Showed in one game exactly what we've missing for 3 years. I hope we can keep him.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
With a huge nod to Tom Ellis, who I thought was immense, my man of the match on any other day would have been Joe Cokanasiga and if he's going to play like that from now on, he'll be man of the match more often than not. But.
My MOTM - Ollie Lawrence. Showed in one game exactly what we've missing for 3 years. I hope we can keep him.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 07:14
Quote:joethefanatic
Just watched the game. Forget the result, that was vastly encouraging. We competed well, we looked like we knew what we were trying to and we (mostly) played as a team. With a touch more clarity and confidence we would have won and that performance should help with both those things. A clear movement up from a very low baseline, admittedly.
With a huge nod to Tom Ellis, who I thought was immense, my man of the match on any other day would have been Joe Cokanasiga and if he's going to play like that from now on, he'll be man of the match more often than not. But.
My MOTM - Ollie Lawrence. Showed in one game exactly what we've missing for 3 years. I hope we can keep him.
Exactly this, plus for me Matt Gallagher is a really good acquisition!
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Posted by: Rokobilly (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 08:05
JVG post game comments suggesting the situation with the Worcester loanees is very fluid and he's not sure if any if them will be with us by next weekend. He did say he's sure he wants Lawrence to stay though. Fingers crossed a deal can be worked out, although I'm sure salary cap etc means it won't be straightforward.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 08:39
Quote:joethefanatic
Just watched the game. Forget the result, that was vastly encouraging. We competed well, we looked like we knew what we were trying to and we (mostly) played as a team. With a touch more clarity and confidence we would have won and that performance should help with both those things. A clear movement up from a very low baseline, admittedly.
With a huge nod to Tom Ellis, who I thought was immense, my man of the match on any other day would have been Joe Cokanasiga and if he's going to play like that from now on, he'll be man of the match more often than not. But.
My MOTM - Ollie Lawrence. Showed in one game exactly what we've missing for 3 years. I hope we can keep him.
Highlights the deficiencies of our squad when the MOM is a player that’s just arrived and will be gone in a week or so.
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Posted by: Widcombe boy (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 09:23
But it also shows that JVG agrees with you OB. Wouldn’t surprise me if he tried to sign De Allende when they were both leaving Munster
Widcombe Garçon
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:joethefanatic
Just watched the game. Forget the result, that was vastly encouraging. We competed well, we looked like we knew what we were trying to and we (mostly) played as a team. With a touch more clarity and confidence we would have won and that performance should help with both those things. A clear movement up from a very low baseline, admittedly.
With a huge nod to Tom Ellis, who I thought was immense, my man of the match on any other day would have been Joe Cokanasiga and if he's going to play like that from now on, he'll be man of the match more often than not. But.
My MOTM - Ollie Lawrence. Showed in one game exactly what we've missing for 3 years. I hope we can keep him.
Highlights the deficiencies of our squad when the MOM is a player that’s just arrived and will be gone in a week or so.
Widcombe Garçon
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 09:25
Quote:Rokobilly
JVG post game comments suggesting the situation with the Worcester loanees is very fluid and he's not sure if any if them will be with us by next weekend. He did say he's sure he wants Lawrence to stay though. Fingers crossed a deal can be worked out, although I'm sure salary cap etc means it won't be straightforward.
In the chronicle it said Sale and Stade Francais are also pursuing Lawrence.
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Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 09:39
Could not go yesterday so watched in the evening. Looking at the Rec just before the start I was really disappointed to have missed the game, then I watched it and although we got closer to Gloucester than looked likely in the first half, we still lost and it was so tedious to watch one off players hopefully throwing themselves at an organised defence, without any attacking guile.
Now all of this would be fine if I felt it was a question of finding a way back, get the forwards in the fight, winning ball and then let the backs score the tries, but I get the feeling that this is not where the coaches want us to go and my season ticket will quickly become too expensive if the only attacking option is the driving maul. The bright spot of course was Lawrence, but he has not been coached by Bath.
Now all of this would be fine if I felt it was a question of finding a way back, get the forwards in the fight, winning ball and then let the backs score the tries, but I get the feeling that this is not where the coaches want us to go and my season ticket will quickly become too expensive if the only attacking option is the driving maul. The bright spot of course was Lawrence, but he has not been coached by Bath.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 09:46
Quote:warrenball
we still lost and it was so tedious to watch one off players hopefully throwing themselves at an organised defence, without any attacking guile.
Not unlike Bristol, who are also not getting good results. It frustrated me hugely that we resorted to kicking away possession in decent field positions. I get the aim of the kick tennis but boy if there is anything to turn me off rugby that's it.
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 10:04
Agree. South Africa style. Faf box kicks everything. Compete in the air. Force knock ons. Win penalties at the scrums and get 3pts or maul tries. It’s not for me.
However… we just need a win, however it comes, so I’m willing to sacrifice every bit of style for a W. I think we have enough talent, and Maddock coaching the backs, to believe we do have something exciting to offer as/when/if we have a firmer foundation. JCok, GHW and Gallagher were great yesterday - I’d love to see what they outside a line out that functions, in a bit more space, with a bit more confidence.
However… we just need a win, however it comes, so I’m willing to sacrifice every bit of style for a W. I think we have enough talent, and Maddock coaching the backs, to believe we do have something exciting to offer as/when/if we have a firmer foundation. JCok, GHW and Gallagher were great yesterday - I’d love to see what they outside a line out that functions, in a bit more space, with a bit more confidence.
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Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 11:09
I got stuck in endless Bath traffic from family day out, going through (big mistake route) Queen Square etc. just as you and yours were trudging back to Charlotte Street presumably. Wanted initially to wind down window and ask if 'you' had won. But from the weary long suffering expressions, decided not to. However, it turns out it was a great deal less ghastly than expected. Better to travel in hope than to arrive with yet another disappointment I suppose. At least the Glaws crowing won't be quite so loud.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 11:11
Quote:byQuote:Rokobilly
JVG post game comments suggesting the situation with the Worcester loanees is very fluid and he's not sure if any if them will be with us by next weekend. He did say he's sure he wants Lawrence to stay though. Fingers crossed a deal can be worked out, although I'm sure salary cap etc means it won't be straightforward.
In the chronicle it said Sale and Stade Francais are also pursuing Lawrence.
Ah well it was good to have him for a couple of games, no brainer for him to choose Sale or Stade instead of Bath.
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Posted by: Widcombe boy (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 11:28
Quote:Telegraph reporting that we are close to signing him until end of season or longer 🤞🇪🇪OutsideBathQuote:byQuote:Rokobilly
JVG post game comments suggesting the situation with the Worcester loanees is very fluid and he's not sure if any if them will be with us by next weekend. He did say he's sure he wants Lawrence to stay though. Fingers crossed a deal can be worked out, although I'm sure salary cap etc means it won't be straightforward.
In the chronicle it said Sale and Stade Francais are also pursuing Lawrence.
Ah well it was good to have him for a couple of games, no brainer for him to choose Sale or Stade instead of Bath.
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Posted by: Colonel1960 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 11:41
[quote BathMatt53][quote warrenball] we still lost and it was so tedious to watch one off players hopefully throwing themselves at an organised defence, without any attacking guile.[/quote]
Not unlike Bristol, who are also not getting good results.
Lol, always one eh... If you look hard enough at the table you'll see 3 wins in the Bris W column, to your zero, nil, nothing, nada, zip nowt, none :-)
Not unlike Bristol, who are also not getting good results.
Lol, always one eh... If you look hard enough at the table you'll see 3 wins in the Bris W column, to your zero, nil, nothing, nada, zip nowt, none :-)
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 11:45
Was 100% better performance yesterday and finally showing signs of the squad knowing what they are about.
We are struggling at 10 but that is not surprising someone said Billy Searle was at the Rec yesterday.
Glos looked relieved at the final whistle and I am not surprised it is not many teams who cause them as many problems as we did yesterday and dominate metres gained with their much vaunted back line.
Injuries are still a huge worry. Gloucester mate text me last night to say he thought they were lucky to win. I really cannot argue with that on another day.
We are struggling at 10 but that is not surprising someone said Billy Searle was at the Rec yesterday.
Glos looked relieved at the final whistle and I am not surprised it is not many teams who cause them as many problems as we did yesterday and dominate metres gained with their much vaunted back line.
Injuries are still a huge worry. Gloucester mate text me last night to say he thought they were lucky to win. I really cannot argue with that on another day.
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 11:55
I get it’s your view, OB - that no one wants to play for the basement boys - and boy do you purport it often, but as a man who clearly knows a bit about rugby, you’ve surely got to see one or two arguments to the contrary.
A few off the top of my head include the chance to build something from scratch might excite a pro, and, as others have said, Bruce’s wallet means we’re a safer financial bet than most clubs. For Lawrence, being closer to Worc than Paris and the promise of first XV rugby, rather than being behind Manu at Sale, say, might be interesting.
I know, I know, we’re not the hottest ticket in town, but there are reasons, and for some more than others, why the Bath challenge might the right fit right now. It’s also a good test of JvG, to see if he can sell it, man to man, to his players. By all accounts, that's one of his strengths. Hopefully, he tells Lawrence he wants to build the back line around him, that we’ve been missing a guy like him, that the 12/13 shirt is his if he wants it.
A few off the top of my head include the chance to build something from scratch might excite a pro, and, as others have said, Bruce’s wallet means we’re a safer financial bet than most clubs. For Lawrence, being closer to Worc than Paris and the promise of first XV rugby, rather than being behind Manu at Sale, say, might be interesting.
I know, I know, we’re not the hottest ticket in town, but there are reasons, and for some more than others, why the Bath challenge might the right fit right now. It’s also a good test of JvG, to see if he can sell it, man to man, to his players. By all accounts, that's one of his strengths. Hopefully, he tells Lawrence he wants to build the back line around him, that we’ve been missing a guy like him, that the 12/13 shirt is his if he wants it.
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Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 12:06
Think you are right Dr Bath, will be a good test of how outside players see coming too Bath, if we cannot sell the club to Lawrence after he has seen and tasted playing for Bath then we are going to continue our problems of getting top players to sign for us.
I cannot believe the club can so limited in outlook to be happy with the options at 10?
I cannot believe the club can so limited in outlook to be happy with the options at 10?
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 12:17
Lawrence will also have his eye on an England spot at this stage of his career.
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Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 12:25
Can someone tell me why:
a) third Glos try wasn't chalked off for blocking - was this even picked up/looked at? Seemed to me like Meehan prevents Reid from attempting tackle. Just watched highlights and still of that opinion.
b) their last yellow didn't wasn't a penalty try as well - is it because we were short?
Bar the lineout, it was an encouraging performance. However, I felt the same after the Bristol game and we failed - quite spectacularly - to build on the promise shown there.
Sarries away next. Has been 50+ the past few years IIRC, so keeping it under 30 would be some achievement for us.
a) third Glos try wasn't chalked off for blocking - was this even picked up/looked at? Seemed to me like Meehan prevents Reid from attempting tackle. Just watched highlights and still of that opinion.
b) their last yellow didn't wasn't a penalty try as well - is it because we were short?
Bar the lineout, it was an encouraging performance. However, I felt the same after the Bristol game and we failed - quite spectacularly - to build on the promise shown there.
Sarries away next. Has been 50+ the past few years IIRC, so keeping it under 30 would be some achievement for us.
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Posted by: BBWBaaBaa (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 12:31
Quote:
OutsideBath
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Rokobilly
JVG post game comments suggesting the situation with the Worcester loanees is very fluid and he's not sure if any if them will be with us by next weekend. He did say he's sure he wants Lawrence to stay though. Fingers crossed a deal can be worked out, although I'm sure salary cap etc means it won't be straightforward.
In the chronicle it said Sale and Stade Francais are also pursuing Lawrence.
Ah well it was good to have him for a couple of games, no brainer for him to choose Sale or Stade instead of Bath.
Telegraph reporting that we are close to signing him until end of season or longer 🤞🇪🇪
And that repeated miserable attitude from Mr OB, is why I have to take regular breaks from this forum. I am not one eyed, or viewing through Rose-Tinted glasses, but the performance on Saturday did seem better. When times are tough look for small positives please
Mr OB, I don't know what your preferred tipple is, but I would gladly buy you one to see a smile, if that is possible.
Onwards and upwards!
OutsideBath
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Rokobilly
JVG post game comments suggesting the situation with the Worcester loanees is very fluid and he's not sure if any if them will be with us by next weekend. He did say he's sure he wants Lawrence to stay though. Fingers crossed a deal can be worked out, although I'm sure salary cap etc means it won't be straightforward.
In the chronicle it said Sale and Stade Francais are also pursuing Lawrence.
Ah well it was good to have him for a couple of games, no brainer for him to choose Sale or Stade instead of Bath.
Telegraph reporting that we are close to signing him until end of season or longer 🤞🇪🇪
And that repeated miserable attitude from Mr OB, is why I have to take regular breaks from this forum. I am not one eyed, or viewing through Rose-Tinted glasses, but the performance on Saturday did seem better. When times are tough look for small positives please
Mr OB, I don't know what your preferred tipple is, but I would gladly buy you one to see a smile, if that is possible.
Onwards and upwards!
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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 13:15
I am surprised by the level of positivity on here TBH, but I guess part of that is the expectation is so low, given so far we have conceded at TBP in each game and as a club we are 0 from 6. With so much possession any other side would have won comfortably.
We are never going to win a game when so many line outs are lost, I reckon 6 in the first half alone. What is the point in winning a penalty from tackling, kicking to touch are turning the ball over, just totally inept for professional players.
I see many on here thought Roux had a good game, from what I saw he gave away two penalties on the first two breakdowns he was involved in which cost us 14 points, so I am not sure how good he really was.
I am sure reality will hit home next week when we play Sarries away, who certainly know how to use that much possession to maximum effect, they out 50 on Tigers so can easily put 60+ again on us.
We still look a very very poor side who struggle even to execute the basics.
We are never going to win a game when so many line outs are lost, I reckon 6 in the first half alone. What is the point in winning a penalty from tackling, kicking to touch are turning the ball over, just totally inept for professional players.
I see many on here thought Roux had a good game, from what I saw he gave away two penalties on the first two breakdowns he was involved in which cost us 14 points, so I am not sure how good he really was.
I am sure reality will hit home next week when we play Sarries away, who certainly know how to use that much possession to maximum effect, they out 50 on Tigers so can easily put 60+ again on us.
We still look a very very poor side who struggle even to execute the basics.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 13:59
Quote:Barfboy
b) their last yellow didn't wasn't a penalty try as well - is it because we were short?
We all thought that if it was a yellow card then it had to be a penalty try as well given where the infringement took place and it seemed certain Bath would have scored a try otherwise.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 14:24
Really enjoyed the match and felt like all the players could look each other, supporters, coaches in the eye after the game, and that feels important right now. Ellis outstanding in that respect - back from long-term injury but looked like he’d run through a brick-wall and then get a bit angry with the pieces too.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 15:15
[quote Colonel1960][quote BathMatt53][quote warrenball] we still lost and it was so tedious to watch one off players hopefully throwing themselves at an organised defence, without any attacking guile.[/quote]
Not unlike Bristol, who are also not getting good results.
Lol, always one eh... If you look hard enough at the table you'll see 3 wins in the Bris W column, to your zero, nil, nothing, nada, zip nowt, none :-)[/quote]
Always one looking to take offence you mean? OK you obviously think that Bristol are a) playing good rugby or b) getting the results that you hoped for? I watched the Bristol game and the bash crash up the middle when you had loads of guys out wide screaming for the ball is exactly how we have watched Bath play for the last season +. It was a shame because thats not the Bristol that I enjoyed watching in past seasons. Yes, Bristol are less poor than Bath if thats what you want to hear, you are 100% correct...but both are a country mile away from challenging anyone half decent at the moment.
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Not unlike Bristol, who are also not getting good results.
Lol, always one eh... If you look hard enough at the table you'll see 3 wins in the Bris W column, to your zero, nil, nothing, nada, zip nowt, none :-)[/quote]
Always one looking to take offence you mean? OK you obviously think that Bristol are a) playing good rugby or b) getting the results that you hoped for? I watched the Bristol game and the bash crash up the middle when you had loads of guys out wide screaming for the ball is exactly how we have watched Bath play for the last season +. It was a shame because thats not the Bristol that I enjoyed watching in past seasons. Yes, Bristol are less poor than Bath if thats what you want to hear, you are 100% correct...but both are a country mile away from challenging anyone half decent at the moment.
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 18:48
I just liked the fact that for the last 5 minutes (?) we were playing to win the match.......
Recently it has been playing to get a losing a bonus point or a try bonus point or even worse nothing at all.
We must stop conceding penalties for hanging on when we make a break........better to let them have the ball surely.
As said above (Nick Holder) we have the ball and attach on about the half way line. Concede penalty, they kick for the corner, win the lineout, maul.......try. Didn't we talk about that all week at Farleigh?
In that case...........or indeed every case, better to let them have the ball...........and remember to go 3 paces less and stick with support and support get there quicker
Recently it has been playing to get a losing a bonus point or a try bonus point or even worse nothing at all.
We must stop conceding penalties for hanging on when we make a break........better to let them have the ball surely.
As said above (Nick Holder) we have the ball and attach on about the half way line. Concede penalty, they kick for the corner, win the lineout, maul.......try. Didn't we talk about that all week at Farleigh?
In that case...........or indeed every case, better to let them have the ball...........and remember to go 3 paces less and stick with support and support get there quicker
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 19:19
I am not expecting JvG, if successful, being able to make a material difference until the second half of the season. We need to be patient with him but if this was a season when we were a normal team then I would be livid at losing when the opposition had 3 yellow cards.
Please keep Lawrence and Gallagher looks a big plus.
Please keep Lawrence and Gallagher looks a big plus.
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Posted by: Treebeard (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 19:46
Great game. Good effort by Bath. But... losing 4 (? ) own lineouts in first half and 2 (?) in second half. Didn't really deserve to win. Luke Charteris - back to the drawing board. JC made hard yards - play him at 12 off first phase occasionally? Hope we can keep Lawrence. Dave Attwood put in a big shift and looked like he really has committed to Bath - again.
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 20:01
I haven't seen the game yet so can anyone expand on the lost lineouts? Was it good competition from Glos or a series of mistakes in our throws and lifts?
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 20:14
Quote:B4thB4ck
I haven't seen the game yet so can anyone expand on the lost lineouts? Was it good competition from Glos or a series of mistakes in our throws and lifts?
Seemed to be miss throws rather than Glos competing, although they did steal a couple by reading where the throw was going.
Was just a bad day at the office for our lineout.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 20:29
Watched the game this afternoon.
Have to sat that I thought we were really poor again personally though its all relative- better than the sale game which was comically inept.
At least some positives this week but crikey when we are pleased losing to an undercooked glos at home when they have had 3 men sin binned its not great. That is the reality of how low we have sunk i guess.
Good to see our maul functioning in attack. Backrow all had a few good moments. Lawrence looked bright and encouraging rumours of him staying for the season. With him and coko looking like he actually enjoys rugby again we now have a few carrying threats.
I won't bother on the negatives as too many to list. Damage limitation next week.
Have to sat that I thought we were really poor again personally though its all relative- better than the sale game which was comically inept.
At least some positives this week but crikey when we are pleased losing to an undercooked glos at home when they have had 3 men sin binned its not great. That is the reality of how low we have sunk i guess.
Good to see our maul functioning in attack. Backrow all had a few good moments. Lawrence looked bright and encouraging rumours of him staying for the season. With him and coko looking like he actually enjoys rugby again we now have a few carrying threats.
I won't bother on the negatives as too many to list. Damage limitation next week.
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 22:07
Quote:Barfboy
Can someone tell me why:
a) third Glos try wasn't chalked off for blocking - was this even picked up/looked at? Seemed to me like Meehan prevents Reid from attempting tackle. Just watched highlights and still of that opinion.
b) their last yellow didn't wasn't a penalty try as well - is it because we were short? .
On a) Foley claimed that Meehan had not changed position so there was no obstruction.To be fair, although he pushed at Reid it was without much force so might not have prevented a truly determined tackle attempt. However, a similar incident in today's Northampton-Wasps match in which the obstructor dod not change position or line but did interfere with his arms was penalised - not consistent.
Have not seen replay of b) to comment.
I do think though that Foley could have been harder on Meehan for the high tackle on Redpath. The contact was with a deliberately swinging arm. Foley's reason for yellow was that Meehan was "the second tackler" - however, I did not see Redpath lowering enough to mitigate and Meehan certainly made no attempt to go lower, so another ref might well have shown him red.
PG
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Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 22:41
I felt that we played reasonably well, and had the LO functioned properly we could have won.
Atters, Reid, JC and Gallagher were the standouts for me.
Hell we miss Ben Spencer.
WIP
Atters, Reid, JC and Gallagher were the standouts for me.
Hell we miss Ben Spencer.
WIP
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2022 23:01
I thought the blocking call was fair, it really wasn't that substantial. On the YC/PT I don't know if they changed the interpretations since last season because that ABSOLUTELY was a Penalty Try - it happened to us multiple times last season. The ball was grounded inches short, only because of in the side. Should have been a PT.
I know we still lost, but gonna pick a positive or two. I thought there was no way in hell we were defending that last 5m lineout successfully, particularly against Glaws' maul. Bonus point for them, no point for us was odds on. It was great effort. I know that we didn't have that much incision, but that last phase we kept the ball without dropping it for 20+ phases - in fact I think we did that a couple of times. I know that's like a bare minimum, but it is a notable improvement on last season.
I really hope we keep Ollie Lawrence, he's exactly what we need. And, to be brutally honest, he showed what a busted flush JJ has become.
I know we still lost, but gonna pick a positive or two. I thought there was no way in hell we were defending that last 5m lineout successfully, particularly against Glaws' maul. Bonus point for them, no point for us was odds on. It was great effort. I know that we didn't have that much incision, but that last phase we kept the ball without dropping it for 20+ phases - in fact I think we did that a couple of times. I know that's like a bare minimum, but it is a notable improvement on last season.
I really hope we keep Ollie Lawrence, he's exactly what we need. And, to be brutally honest, he showed what a busted flush JJ has become.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 07:44
That's my kind of view hasta- we were poor but not as poor as many performances over the last year and there were at least a few positives.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 08:03
The failure of the lineout was quite a shock as it’s been decent this season up to now.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 08:16
Quote:OutsideBath
The failure of the lineout was quite a shock as it’s been decent this season up to now.
Indeed.
Couldn't quite believe what I was seeing.
Also happened consistently when both dunn and annett were on. Some were under/overthrows but think the whole thing was a shambles.
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Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 08:23
Quote:charlieboaQuote:OutsideBath
The failure of the lineout was quite a shock as it’s been decent this season up to now.
Indeed.
Couldn't quite believe what I was seeing.
Also happened consistently when both dunn and annett were on. Some were under/overthrows but think the whole thing was a shambles.
Collective yips.
It was weird because it wasn't like Gloucester were reading our calls and beating us to the jump - it just was functioning terribly. Players not being lifted, throws barely making the front let alone the jumper, overthrows.
The sense of lack of belief was palpable at every lineout. Don't recall ever seeing that in a professional rugby team.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 08:29
Quote:The BearQuote:charlieboaQuote:OutsideBath
The failure of the lineout was quite a shock as it’s been decent this season up to now.
Indeed.
Couldn't quite believe what I was seeing.
Also happened consistently when both dunn and annett were on. Some were under/overthrows but think the whole thing was a shambles.
Collective yips.
It was weird because it wasn't like Gloucester were reading our calls and beating us to the jump - it just was functioning terribly. Players not being lifted, throws barely making the front let alone the jumper, overthrows.
The sense of lack of belief was palpable at every lineout. Don't recall ever seeing that in a professional rugby team.
Haven't you been watching us for the last year?
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 09:15
Quote:charlieboa
I thought we were really poor again ....That is the reality of how low we have sunk i guess
Surprised to read this Charlie, given you generally tend to look for positives.
It's not as if the 'reality of how low we have sunk' is some overnight revelation. 3 weeks ago, we were 30 odd down at half time to Wasps. We sunk to the bottom some time ago, and that's a hard place to climb out of. I've become very negative and cynical this season as it kind of feels like the only realistic place to be, but being at the game on Saturday gave me some real hope.
I felt it was wrong to introduce Ollie Lawrence quite so quickly - it just felt a bit needy. But, he contributed massively and it just felt to me as though he might have galvanised Joe C into the most committed, proactive performance i've seen from him. Ellis and Reid, in particular just had a bit of fury about them that is exactly what is needed - as a team, there's no way we're going to just suddenly click into 5th gear and glide through any team. But being unpleasant and uncomfortable to play against is a good place to start.
It really is a shame that we're away to Sarries next week, because it's very likely to send us back to square 1 - not least because that plastic pitch may mean one or two players have to stand down.
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Posted by: WestonLurker (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 09:21
Quote:The BearQuote:charlieboaQuote:OutsideBath
The failure of the lineout was quite a shock as it’s been decent this season up to now.
Indeed.
Couldn't quite believe what I was seeing.
Also happened consistently when both dunn and annett were on. Some were under/overthrows but think the whole thing was a shambles.
Collective yips.
It was weird because it wasn't like Gloucester were reading our calls and beating us to the jump - it just was functioning terribly. Players not being lifted, throws barely making the front let alone the jumper, overthrows.
The sense of lack of belief was palpable at every lineout. Don't recall ever seeing that in a professional rugby team.
My recollection (bearing in mind I wasn't taking notes)...
The first two lineouts were caught fine, but they were to the front (Reid?) and somewhat conservative so the resulting ball wasn't particularly dynamic.
The next two were lost throwing to the middle / tail of the line. I'm not sure who the jumper was as they didn't get anywhere near the ball which dropped into the lap of the Gloucester players, who were not contesting, at the tail.
After this Gloucester did start contesting (well you would, wouldn't you) and won at least a couple, including at the front, by getting their man up earlier / in front.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 09:24
Quote:OptimistQuote:charlieboa
I thought we were really poor again ....That is the reality of how low we have sunk i guess
Surprised to read this Charlie, given you generally tend to look for positives.
It's not as if the 'reality of how low we have sunk' is some overnight revelation. 3 weeks ago, we were 30 odd down at half time to Wasps. We sunk to the bottom some time ago, and that's a hard place to climb out of. I've become very negative and cynical this season as it kind of feels like the only realistic place to be, but being at the game on Saturday gave me some real hope.
I felt it was wrong to introduce Ollie Lawrence quite so quickly - it just felt a bit needy. But, he contributed massively and it just felt to me as though he might have galvanised Joe C into the most committed, proactive performance i've seen from him. Ellis and Reid, in particular just had a bit of fury about them that is exactly what is needed - as a team, there's no way we're going to just suddenly click into 5th gear and glide through any team. But being unpleasant and uncomfortable to play against is a good place to start.
It really is a shame that we're away to Sarries next week, because it's very likely to send us back to square 1 - not least because that plastic pitch may mean one or two players have to stand down.
I think we have to be realistic about next week. In F1 terms, Salaries are not our race. Rest the players that need it, rotate the others, prioritize avoiding injuries. A TBP would be amazing, not shipping 50 would be a good result. Salaries are currently playing a game with which we are not familiar and we need to recognize that and plan accordingly.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: Murty7 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 09:27
My view is the root cause of the lineout issues was selection. When you have 2 big lumps in the 2nd row whose strengths are a long way from the line out you become predictable and that puts pressure on and allows the opposition to 'read' what you are doing and compete and in becomes worse at each lineout.
When your primary source of lineout possession is your openside jumping at 2 you have limited options.
It leaves you without a 100% banker throw.
When your primary source of lineout possession is your openside jumping at 2 you have limited options.
It leaves you without a 100% banker throw.
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 09:43
I though Joe C made some good runs at Irish, a willingness to carry for the team more, perhaps a sign of confidence in his body after so much injury and rehab.
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Posted by: Widcombe boy (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 09:54
Might have missed it but did we not throw to Ellis at all, as in the past has provided a good Lineout option
Widcombe Garçon
Widcombe Garçon
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 10:37
Opti- I think I was probably just expecting more having read comments etc which were broadly positive. If I had watched it live maybe I would have judged it more kindly.
As you say there was a few bright spots- I just think (as with bris) glos are a good but not great team, we were at home , it was only their third league game of the season, they had 3 men binned....I think to still lose is a major worry as you are wondering what needs to happen to win! Sale were down to 14 for 70 mins!
As you its a shame its sarries away next week- if it was Newcastle at home you would be thinking we had a chance of turning the corner (though we have managed to lose that fixture a few times in recent years!).
I do think jvg/jpf/mad dog will get there- I just think we look really clueless still a lot of the time and it's going to take a lot longer than u had hoped.....
As you say there was a few bright spots- I just think (as with bris) glos are a good but not great team, we were at home , it was only their third league game of the season, they had 3 men binned....I think to still lose is a major worry as you are wondering what needs to happen to win! Sale were down to 14 for 70 mins!
As you its a shame its sarries away next week- if it was Newcastle at home you would be thinking we had a chance of turning the corner (though we have managed to lose that fixture a few times in recent years!).
I do think jvg/jpf/mad dog will get there- I just think we look really clueless still a lot of the time and it's going to take a lot longer than u had hoped.....
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 11:08
Watching live and watching on TV are so different aren't they!
I guess my assessment was primarily based on the fact that I just really enjoyed being at the Rec, enjoyed the fact that all results were possible until the final whistle went, and enjoyed being able to metaphorically look the players in the eye afterwards. I was at the Sale game, and I can honestly say i've never had a more miserable game at the Rec - if i'd bumped into a player after that game, I just don't think i'd have wanted to talk to them.
I guess my assessment was primarily based on the fact that I just really enjoyed being at the Rec, enjoyed the fact that all results were possible until the final whistle went, and enjoyed being able to metaphorically look the players in the eye afterwards. I was at the Sale game, and I can honestly say i've never had a more miserable game at the Rec - if i'd bumped into a player after that game, I just don't think i'd have wanted to talk to them.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 11:11
Agreed, if I hadn't known result last 5 mins would definitely have been exciting.
I was at sale game- can't remember a worse performance in 40 years tbh
I was at sale game- can't remember a worse performance in 40 years tbh
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 11:44
Quote:charlieboaQuote:OutsideBath
The failure of the lineout was quite a shock as it’s been decent this season up to now.
Indeed.
Couldn't quite believe what I was seeing.
Also happened consistently when both dunn and annett were on. Some were under/overthrows but think the whole thing was a shambles.
It's far too simplistic to blame the hookers. On several occasions the Gloucester jumpers were in the air before the Bath ones on our throw. On other occasions the ball had gone before the jumper was in position. It wasn't overthrowing, it was timing. That is a fundamental error of the lifters and jumpers, not the thrower.
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 11:45
More bad news...
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Looks like Francis picked up a serious quad injury, and it appears that we've run out of the £400k injury dispensation to replace him.
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Looks like Francis picked up a serious quad injury, and it appears that we've run out of the £400k injury dispensation to replace him.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 11:49
Quote:by
More bad news...
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Looks like Francis picked up a serious quad injury, and it appears that we've run out of the £400k injury dispensation to replace him.
I'm more worried about 9 than 10. I think it's clear we will be without Spencer, Schreuder and Green this weekend.
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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 12:01
well we are nailed on to lose this one anyway, so why not just pick the prem cup side and focus on the next home game
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 12:04
Quote:MalcoQuote:charlieboaQuote:OutsideBath
The failure of the lineout was quite a shock as it’s been decent this season up to now.
Indeed.
Couldn't quite believe what I was seeing.
Also happened consistently when both dunn and annett were on. Some were under/overthrows but think the whole thing was a shambles.
It's far too simplistic to blame the hookers. On several occasions the Gloucester jumpers were in the air befre the Bath ones on our throw. On other occasions the ball had gone before the jumper was in position. It wasn't overthrowing, it was timing. That is a fundamental error of the lifters and jumpers, not the thrower.
Completely agree, was implying it wasn't just the hookers cos it was a shambles when both were on.
Tbf I think there were a few throwing errors but were the minority of the lost lineouts (one of dunns wouldn't have needed someone at the back about 9 ft tall to catch and the jumper was up)
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 12:06
Quote:MalcoQuote:by
More bad news...
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Looks like Francis picked up a serious quad injury, and it appears that we've run out of the £400k injury dispensation to replace him.
I'm more worried about 9 than 10. I think it's clear we will be without Spencer, Schreuder and Green this weekend.
Yeah those noises aren't positive on any of them which leaves us with TCS and lock.
At least we aren't playing someone good.... gulp.
I think Bailey at 10 with the options in the 23 of redpath and mojo would be fine.
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 12:13
Quote:by
More bad news...
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Looks like Francis picked up a serious quad injury, and it appears that we've run out of the £400k injury dispensation to replace him.
The point of injury was very noticeable but how do you get a quad injury from taking a kick off? A quad tear would be a bad injury but how is that possible?
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Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 12:24
At least it wasnt his head.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 15:36
Quote:gaz59Quote:by
More bad news...
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Looks like Francis picked up a serious quad injury, and it appears that we've run out of the £400k injury dispensation to replace him.
The point of injury was very noticeable but how do you get a quad injury from taking a kick off? A quad tear would be a bad injury but how is that possible?
I imagine he'd been injured earlier and was carrying it. The kick would have stretched it.
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 15:45
Two Bath players feature in The Times team of the week, my adoptee Jo Co and Will Stuart. JoCo I can understand but am a bit baffled by Stuart's inclusion. He was outstanding 2-3 seasons ago with his close quarter work from 5m but has been a passenger for a while now imho. For an England regular he doesn't impact a game in the way guys like Cole, Genge, Marler or Sinckler. Am I missing something?
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
Family . Community . Nation - [sdp.org.uk]
My mind's been going places without me lately - Bushfire The B52's
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
Family . Community . Nation - [sdp.org.uk]
My mind's been going places without me lately - Bushfire The B52's
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 16:54
That's a bit harsh on Stuart IMHO Clarkey. I would agree he was not fully firing for us last season but he did well in Australia and, having returned early from his post tour break has done OK for us. I suspect though that as he is now a "known quantity" defences are primed for him- especially with our current very basic gameplan.
PG
PG
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 17:07
I have been a bit underwhelmed by stuart but only cos I judge him by very very high standards as he is class and has all the raw attributes.
He should be dominating games and a few years ago he would often have his opponents on toast (accept it's a combined effort at scrumtime). Tbf he took sale apart when he came on.
He is doing fine for us but would love to see a little bit more personally in terms of his influence on team mates and games.
He should be dominating games and a few years ago he would often have his opponents on toast (accept it's a combined effort at scrumtime). Tbf he took sale apart when he came on.
He is doing fine for us but would love to see a little bit more personally in terms of his influence on team mates and games.
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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 17:39
I reckon it takes about 4/5 games before a returning class player really gets going. Whether this is just upping the gears, getting match fit or confidence if returning from a major injury I don't know. Coko has about that number of weeks and is starting to tear up trees. Stuart only had 2/3 games and I'd say he was better this week than last. Give him a couple more games and then judge him.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 17:58
Quote:hemington
Stuart only had 2/3 games and I'd say he was better this week than last. Give him a couple more games and then judge him.
Sadly after a couple more games he'll be off with England.
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Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 18:59
Quote:Clarkey3k
Two Bath players feature in The Times team of the week, my adoptee Jo Co and Will Stuart. JoCo I can understand but am a bit baffled by Stuart's inclusion. He was outstanding 2-3 seasons ago with his close quarter work from 5m but has been a passenger for a while now imho. For an England regular he doesn't impact a game in the way guys like Cole, Genge, Marler or Sinckler. Am I missing something?
This is more or less my view too, I'm afraid. I don't see Stuart in the same league as the other 4 listed and tbh, I struggle to understand why he's a starter for England.
Ditto Ewels when compared with Itoje, Launchbury, Lawes.
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Posted by: BiggusDickus (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 19:39
In total agreement Barfboy as leading internationalists at other clubs all seem to be real driving forces and look like top international players regardless of the opposition. I have said on here previously that Stuart and Ewell's don't even stand out in a struggling Bath team let alone stand out on the pitch regardless of who we are playing. There is no chance he was the best TH playing over the weekend.
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 20:37
I don’t know. Stuart had a pretty decent tour in Australia and he was excellent last season.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2022 21:06
Agree largely with barfboy- when you look at our 'top players' influence on games and on players around them it's not obviously hugely positive to the extent it should be.
We seem to have had a lot of the same characters among our leadership group- thoughtful, quiet, get on with their own game. Beno, stuart, ewels, mcnally, underhill, faletau etc.
We seem to have had a lot of the same characters among our leadership group- thoughtful, quiet, get on with their own game. Beno, stuart, ewels, mcnally, underhill, faletau etc.
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 08:09
On a different note I was pleased and relieved to see The Rugby Paper report Rec attendance on Saturday at c13.1k. A good sign...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
Family . Community . Nation - [sdp.org.uk]
My mind's been going places without me lately - Bushfire The B52's
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
Family . Community . Nation - [sdp.org.uk]
My mind's been going places without me lately - Bushfire The B52's
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 09:19
Quote:by
I don’t know. Stuart had a pretty decent tour in Australia and he was excellent last season.
Hmm. Define 'excellent'. He's obviously a top prop (who isn't even close to his prime tbf), it's just I don't ever recall seeing him influence a game in the way I have with those four. Maybe these barnstorming performances will start to appear in the coming years, or perhaps I'm too easily influenced by BT Sport pundits and their ability to fawn over one player for 80mins. I also get the 'benefit' of watching Stuart live most weeks.
It's the same with Ewels. He's played 30 games for England and is captain of a Prem rugby club (just), so obviously a good player held in high regard by his peers. I have just never seen a performance from him where I've thought 'wow'.
Bar Underhill (when fit), who was our last international player we could really say pulls up metaphorical trees for club and country? Probably going back to JJ, Ford, Watson in 2014/15 and that was only really for a season.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 09:41
Is this a demeanor thing with Stuart? He can amble about sometimes, a bit like Sinckler. No fuss, no screaming in faces, maybe people want to see that.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 10:20
Quote:Barfboy
Bar Underhill (when fit), who was our last international player we could really say pulls up metaphorical trees for club and country? Probably going back to JJ, Ford, Watson in 2014/15 and that was only really for a season.
I think this is the key part. These are obviously quality players but we couldn't extract the best from them in a way that, say, Sarries could from their assembled stars. I don't think Premiership form is a good barometer of international quality but, either way, there are players of immense talents that we don't get anything like the best from.
Some like Stuart are playing perfectly well, though not dominant, and are in the top tier of their position. Some you can see their appeal and potential (JoCo) and then some, like JJ, have just fallen off a cliff performance-wise and that's not changed in a long-time.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 10:55
Quote:OutsideBath
Ah well it was good to have him for a couple of games, no brainer for him to choose Sale or Stade instead of Bath.
Turns out there are one or two half-decent players who fancy a crack at the challenge of playing for Bath, eh, OB?
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 11:31
Quote:dr.bath1865Quote:OutsideBath
Ah well it was good to have him for a couple of games, no brainer for him to choose Sale or Stade instead of Bath.
Turns out there are one or two half-decent players who fancy a crack at the challenge of playing for Bath, eh, OB?
Well that’s certainly a surprise for me, not sure why Lawrence signed but after his performance last weekend I’m delighted.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 13:24
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:dr.bath1865Quote:OutsideBath
Ah well it was good to have him for a couple of games, no brainer for him to choose Sale or Stade instead of Bath.
Turns out there are one or two half-decent players who fancy a crack at the challenge of playing for Bath, eh, OB?
Well that’s certainly a surprise for me, not sure why Lawrence signed but after his performance last weekend I’m delighted.
We don't know if Sale made him an offer or if that was just agent talk or media speculation.
Assuming they did make an offer...
Would you prefer to live in Bath or Manchester?
Would you prefer to be first choice 13, playing alongside your best mate and with a load of your closest friends, or sit on a bench week in, week out?
Which of these options would be most likely to help you further your international ambitions?
It's not that hard to understand really.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 14:25
Just to save indignant Sale fans/Mancunians the trouble there are plenty of people who would choose Manchester over Bath. It's a lively city with great countryside not too far away. I love Bath, but plenty of people would find it a bit genteel and 'chocolate box'.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 14:47
Who's his best mate? Redpath?
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 14:47
Quote:Yes.woodpecker
Who's his best mate? Redpath?
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 16:10
Quote:Malco
Would you prefer to live in Bath or Manchester?
If I was 23 years old, its no contest. Manchester is a great city for young people. Bath is a great City for blue rinsers and tourists. Boring as hell for a person of that age, even the students stay in their oldfield park homes and party.
Quote:Malco
Would you prefer to be first choice 13, playing alongside your best mate and with a load of your closest friends, or sit on a bench week in, week out?
I don't think that he would be on the bench much at any Premiership club given his quality.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 16:13
In fairness, Sale aren't exactly short of centre options - Manu's hamstrings notwithstanding. Would be an odd signing for them.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 16:38
Manu likely off next season post-RWC you'd think?
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 16:59
Quote:hasta
Manu likely off next season post-RWC you'd think?
I'd say that was a certainty.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2022 09:07
I guess a place of financial stability is pretty appealing right now.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2022 09:23
Quote:The BearQuote:Barfboy
Bar Underhill (when fit), who was our last international player we could really say pulls up metaphorical trees for club and country? Probably going back to JJ, Ford, Watson in 2014/15 and that was only really for a season.
I think this is the key part. These are obviously quality players but we couldn't extract the best from them in a way that, say, Sarries could from their assembled stars. I don't think Premiership form is a good barometer of international quality but, either way, there are players of immense talents that we don't get anything like the best from.
Some like Stuart are playing perfectly well, though not dominant, and are in the top tier of their position. Some you can see their appeal and potential (JoCo) and then some, like JJ, have just fallen off a cliff performance-wise and that's not changed in a long-time.
Yes - absolutely. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not suggesting Will Stuart saves his best for England, isn't passionate, holds back for Bath etc etc. I just wish we'd see the kind of performances from our England boys that justifies why EJ constantly picks/plays them.
Eddie has a helluva pool of players to choose from, so they're doing something right to be top of the class. Perhaps an upturn in fortune will see these players producing more dominant performances. Feels like it's coming but I won't hold my breath this weekend (although saying that you can still stand out in a losing team)!
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2022 09:35
I cant think of any barnstorming performances from Ewels for England, Stuart, possibly a bit but i couldnt place when/where.
I always found JCs recent selection by England odd, but he seems to coming back to form.
Underhill no debate
I always found JCs recent selection by England odd, but he seems to coming back to form.
Underhill no debate
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2022 17:32
Quote:TomReagan
Just to save indignant Sale fans/Mancunians the trouble there are plenty of people who would choose Manchester over Bath. It's a lively city with great countryside not too far away. I love Bath, but plenty of people would find it a bit genteel and 'chocolate box'.
Is it compulsory for Bath players to live in Bath?
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2022 17:47
Quote:joethefanaticQuote:TomReagan
Just to save indignant Sale fans/Mancunians the trouble there are plenty of people who would choose Manchester over Bath. It's a lively city with great countryside not too far away. I love Bath, but plenty of people would find it a bit genteel and 'chocolate box'.
Is it compulsory for Bath players to live in Bath?
No but Malco asked the question 'Would you prefer to live in Bath or Manchester?'.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 13/10/2022 00:38
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:joethefanaticQuote:TomReagan
Just to save indignant Sale fans/Mancunians the trouble there are plenty of people who would choose Manchester over Bath. It's a lively city with great countryside not too far away. I love Bath, but plenty of people would find it a bit genteel and 'chocolate box'.
Is it compulsory for Bath players to live in Bath?
No but Malco asked the question 'Would you prefer to live in Bath or Manchester?'.
True although the reasons given for living in Manchester would transfer to Bristol, I'd have thought
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/10/2022 08:00
Quote:joethefanaticQuote:BathMatt53Quote:joethefanaticQuote:TomReagan
Just to save indignant Sale fans/Mancunians the trouble there are plenty of people who would choose Manchester over Bath. It's a lively city with great countryside not too far away. I love Bath, but plenty of people would find it a bit genteel and 'chocolate box'.
Is it compulsory for Bath players to live in Bath?
No but Malco asked the question 'Would you prefer to live in Bath or Manchester?'.
True although the reasons given for living in Manchester would transfer to Bristol, I'd have thought
If only Bristol had a rugby team...
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/10/2022 12:25
The comment came as a result of it being suggested that Bath could attract a player wanted by Sale because Bath is a better city to live in-I wasn't compiling my 'Top 10' cities! I merely noted that Manchester has a lot of appeal. A friend of mine had to relocate to York recently and hated it. He's since moved to Liverpool and loves it there. Tenuously linked jtf, but whilst I recognise it's a case of each to their own, perhaps you could explain why so many people live in Nebraska when the USA has so many lovely regions to live in?!
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 13/10/2022 13:56
Travelled through Nebraska a few years back, there’s absolutely no reason to stop.
I have a similar view of Manchester.
I have a similar view of Manchester.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/10/2022 14:01
Quote:OutsideBath
Travelled through Nebraska a few years back, there’s absolutely no reason to stop.
I have a similar view of Manchester.
Have you been to Manchester recently or is this just blind prejudice? It's a great night out with some fabulous bars, restaurants and clubs.
[www.goingout.co.uk]
But then I seriously doubt that you are part of their target demographic.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 13/10/2022 14:05
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:OutsideBath
Travelled through Nebraska a few years back, there’s absolutely no reason to stop.
I have a similar view of Manchester.
Have you been to Manchester recently or is this just blind prejudice? It's a great night out with some fabulous bars, restaurants and clubs.
[www.goingout.co.uk]
But then I seriously doubt that you are part of their target demographic.
It has been a little while, but I thought it was a dump, much preferred Liverpool which is a fantastic city. You’re right though I’m probably not going to go to a nightclub again.
Re: CHERRYPICKERS? BATH v GLOUCESTER. TEAM UP!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 13/10/2022 18:14
Quote:TomReagan
The comment came as a result of it being suggested that Bath could attract a player wanted by Sale because Bath is a better city to live in-I wasn't compiling my 'Top 10' cities! I merely noted that Manchester has a lot of appeal. A friend of mine had to relocate to York recently and hated it. He's since moved to Liverpool and loves it there. Tenuously linked jtf, but whilst I recognise it's a case of each to their own, perhaps you could explain why so many people live in Nebraska when the USA has so many lovely regions to live in?!
I once drove from Kansas City to Lincoln, Nebraska in the autumn (it sounds far but its actually only about 4 hours!). It was the very definition of "bleak". But the people at either end were absolutely lovely.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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