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FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

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Date: 28/02/2023 11:54

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 13:04

Going to need more than teeth ! (Sm100)

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 13:09

Great write up.

Feels like we are back at the Sarries away-type scenario - everyone expects a walloping, so why not step away from the 'difficult to beat' mantra and allow some of the younger backs like MoJo, Butt and Bailey the chance to express themselves.

Am sure Ben Spencer would appreciate more of a creative brief, and maybe Cloete from the start would give us a fighting chance at the breakdown.

Keeping the ball in hand a bit more would also save us from a bit less embarrassment when it comes to lineouts.

What is there to lose?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 14:55

I anticipate there will be plenty of wailing and gnashing of teeth as we concede over 4 tries and score only one of our own.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 15:02

Quote:
nick holder
I anticipate there will be plenty of wailing and gnashing of teeth as we concede over 4 tries and score only one of our own.

The throat is too sore and the teeth too chipped for that after the last few seasons of being a Bath supporter. The most that I can manage after a Bath game now is lame resignation, half hearted shrug of the shoulders and a soft sigh.

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 17:14

Quote:
nick holder
I anticipate there will be plenty of wailing and gnashing of teeth as we concede over 4 tries and score only one of our own.

After the last couple of weeks I really couldn't care less anymore and certainly won't be wasting any energy on this match.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 17:15

Counting no chickens here, many a slip and all that, will await the teams before making any rash predictions.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 17:40

Bookies have Tigers 1/6 and Bath 6/1 for the win. That says it all to me [www.oddschecker.com]

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 17:51

I think this is one where we're going to be looking at the performance rather than the result. A LBP would be a good outcome.

... IMHO, of course.

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 18:09

Great post as ever

Love the optimism with the 5/3 split but don’t see it happening anytime soon. Think Ojomoh deserves another start looked lively when playing at 12 and don’t see an issue there.

Reid has to start for me recently been a level above Bayliss and just so good everywhere. My predicted bench is

Annett, Morosov, Rae, Van Velze, Coetzee, Schreuder, Francis, Bayliss

Not what I want but seems like the way.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Daktari (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 18:36

Noooo! we are mahoosive underdogs , you beat us last time out and we are missing all our England international plus Kelly,Porter, Cronin, Leatigaga, MuriMurivalu, Saumaki, and a whole host of other injuries. We are having to play Dad`s Army at the back.. You are favourites, ignore the bookies smiling smiley

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Widcombe boy (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 18:50

Quote:
daktari
Noooo! we are mahoosive underdogs , you beat us last time out and we are missing all our England international plus Kelly,Porter, Cronin, Leatigaga, MuriMurivalu, Saumaki, and a whole host of other injuries. We are having to play Dad`s Army at the back.. You are favourites, ignore the bookies

Have you seen any of our recent games Daktari? We are woeful….

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 19:14

Quote:
daktari
Noooo! we are mahoosive underdogs , you beat us last time out and we are missing all our England international plus Kelly,Porter, Cronin, Leatigaga, MuriMurivalu, Saumaki, and a whole host of other injuries. We are having to play Dad`s Army at the back.. You are favourites, ignore the bookies

Are you sure your name isn't Clarence?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: bathonian80 (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 19:20

Us missing a million players against Tigers at the Rec earlier in the season seemed to do the trick back then.

Play a 3rd string side again and see what happens.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 21:55

Quote:
daktari
Noooo! we are mahoosive underdogs , you beat us last time out and we are missing all our England international plus Kelly,Porter, Cronin, Leatigaga, MuriMurivalu, Saumaki, and a whole host of other injuries. We are having to play Dad`s Army at the back.. You are favourites, ignore the bookies

LOL

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)

Date: 28/02/2023 22:26

Find some teeth indeed ! Ours disappeared in the space of a week, as toothless as Shane Mc Gowan once was. Our incisors had no bite, our molars incapable of crushing a grape and no wisdom whatsoever. Come on JVG, we won't be crowned champions this season, that's a bridge too far, but implant some confidence and show some bite.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 07:21

Think I would go with below (not that selection tends to impact the tripe served up):

Beno, dunn, stuart, mcnally, flw, hill, underhill, reid, spencer , bailey, rmc, redpath, mojo, tdg, gallagher

Bench: morozov, annett, rae, attwood, richards, coetzee, schreuder, mojo

I personally would do 5:3 but it won't suddenly happen away to leic

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 10:13

Dicksons the ref for the game.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: copester (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 10:35

Quote:
charlieboa
Think I would go with below (not that selection tends to impact the tripe served up):
Beno, dunn, stuart, mcnally, flw, hill, underhill, reid, spencer , bailey, rmc, redpath, mojo, tdg, gallagher

Bench: morozov, annett, rae, attwood, richards, coetzee, schreuder, mojo

I personally would do 5:3 but it won't suddenly happen away to leic

I would mix it up, cant do any worse,

Obano, Annett, Stuart, Richards, FLW, Hill, Cloete, Underhill, Green, Bailey, Joseph Redpath, Ojomoh, Butt Gallagher.
Morozov, Dunn, Jonker, McNally, Reid Spencer, TDG, Barbeary/Bayliss

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 10:50

Quote:
Francis Allen
Find some teeth indeed ! Ours disappeared in the space of a week, as toothless as Shane Mc Gowan once was. Our incisors had no bite, our molars incapable of crushing a grape and no wisdom whatsoever. Come on JVG, we won't be crowned champions this season, that's a bridge too far, but implant some confidence and show some bite.

ARGHHHH............The pain !!

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 11:04

Quote:
tigerburnie
Dicksons the ref for the game.

Ah well gives Bath fans someone to blame for the defeat.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 11:09

Quote:
Francis Allen
Find some teeth indeed ! Ours disappeared in the space of a week, as toothless as Shane Mc Gowan once was. Our incisors had no bite, our molars incapable of crushing a grape and no wisdom whatsoever. Come on JVG, we won't be crowned champions this season, that's a bridge too far, but implant some confidence and show some bite.

Gold star for this amalgam of puns FA!

PG

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 11:27

Quote:
charlieboa
Think I would go with below (not that selection tends to impact the tripe served up):
Beno, dunn, stuart, mcnally, flw, hill, underhill, reid, spencer , bailey, rmc, redpath, mojo, tdg, gallagher

Bench: morozov, annett, rae, attwood, richards, coetzee, schreuder, mojo

I personally would do 5:3 but it won't suddenly happen away to leic

Double Mojo there, at 13 and on the bench!

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 14:14

Quote:
Dorset Boy
Quote:
charlieboa
Think I would go with below (not that selection tends to impact the tripe served up):
Beno, dunn, stuart, mcnally, flw, hill, underhill, reid, spencer , bailey, rmc, redpath, mojo, tdg, gallagher

Bench: morozov, annett, rae, attwood, richards, coetzee, schreuder, mojo

I personally would do 5:3 but it won't suddenly happen away to leic

Double Mojo there, at 13 and on the bench!

He can do it all!

Fair point, maybe jj on bench....or butt

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Deckchair (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 16:53

It's written in the stars. Bath to win.
By foul means or fair, lady luck, blind blue ref or the dicing sporting Gods. We will win.
Dream it here first. Shake and roll them bones.
Glory be.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 18:06

Interesting to see when they introduce barbeary.

Took part in all aspects of training last week so will have done 2 full weeks by this game if all goes well.

We have so many backrowers and so little to play for now other than the glory of coming second from bottom there seems no point taking any even slight risks

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: ollyshep (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 19:19

Quote:
charlieboa
Interesting to see when they introduce barbeary.
Took part in all aspects of training last week so will have done 2 full weeks by this game if all goes well.

We have so many backrowers and so little to play for now other than the glory of coming second from bottom there seems no point taking any even slight risks

I was in the hospitality on Friday evening for the Bristol game and he did an interview. He said hes ready to play now so i expect him to be on the bench on the weekend. Also Charlie Ewels was interviewed and he is back fully training with his expected return by of March. Watch this space.....

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 01/03/2023 19:47

Thanks for the info.

Would be fascinating to see if Charlie makes a difference to the lineout. Can't get much worse.

Assuming there is no cap issues with either playing this season. Hatley denied there was any cap issue in playing barbeary as soon as he is ready in the rugby paper.

I imagine willimas going having not played helped

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)

Date: 02/03/2023 15:53

Quote:
charlieboa
Would be fascinating to see if Charlie makes a difference to the lineout. Can't get much worse

With the benefit of hindsight, I'd have hooked Charteris, and installed Ewels as lineout coach for his period of rehab.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 02/03/2023 16:01

Given what George Ford has been doing for Sale's attack, it would baffle me if Ewels hasn't been doing some of this. Which doesn't bode well.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 02/03/2023 17:09

Sure he has had plenty of input but rehab is a serious business so must not have been able to have same level of input as charteris etc?

Also v different chipping in from the sideline to being in amongst it playing and training.

Interested to see how it plays out, as I say feels like he has nothing to lose. Comes back and improves, he is the messiah and we all know why he is so highly rated now...doesn't improve as everyone can go back to the seeming default of ' I don't understand why all the coaches love him'.. or 'it must be the lighters and hookers fault'

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 09:37

After the last two dreadful performances I can’t be bothered to think about this game. That’s where loss of hope eventuality leads.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 09:48

We'll probably deliver the performance of the season on Sunday. Or not. But I thought this Tweet from someone called Aaron Walsh was interesting - it's Bath all over:

"Inconsistent teams rely on external stimuli to perform, and if it is not there, the standards drop. Consistent teams drive the standards from within. They focus on themselves, have clear performance expectations, and create an edge around the commitment to those realities."

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 09:51

Quote:
Optimist
We'll probably deliver the performance of the season on Sunday. Or not. But I thought this Tweet from someone called Aaron Walsh was interesting - it's Bath all over:
"Inconsistent teams rely on external stimuli to perform, and if it is not there, the standards drop. Consistent teams drive the standards from within. They focus on themselves, have clear performance expectations, and create an edge around the commitment to those realities."

What language is this Aaron Walsh using then?

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 10:04

Quote:
Bath Hammer
After the last two dreadful performances I can’t be bothered to think about this game. That’s where loss of hope eventuality leads.

Well think about it we must! That's what this thread is about. Looking forward to seeing the match day squad as so much was wrong about the tactics and performances of the last 2 games, Farleigh would have been a busy place this week, you would hope. Hope as BH alludes to, is all some of us have at the moment, I bought my tickets for Leicester and Northampton before the last 2 games so I go to them in hope rather than any positive expectation.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 10:04

Quote:
Bath Hammer
After the last two dreadful performances I can’t be bothered to think about this game. That’s where loss of hope eventuality leads.

When there is no hope there is at least no disappointment so look on the bright side BH.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 10:11

Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
Bath Hammer
After the last two dreadful performances I can’t be bothered to think about this game. That’s where loss of hope eventuality leads.

When there is no hope there is at least no disappointment so look on the bright side BH.

Very wise OB, I'll remember that on the way home tomorrow.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Tiggs (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 10:42

Quote:
Optimist
We'll probably deliver the performance of the season on Sunday.

I hope that you do, as the match is on Saturday.
Is that where you have been going wrong all season, you are using last years calendar ?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 11:09

Quote:
Clarkey3k
Bookies have Tigers 1/6 and Bath 6/1 for the win. That says it all to me [www.oddschecker.com]

I have a horrible feeling those odds could well equate to the tries scored

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 11:51

Just got to hope that the analysis and coaching produce an effective gameplan so that the players can believe in it and run out with some sort of confidence. Welford Road is a horrible place for the opposition - like being back in the Middle Ages with the atmosphere (not that I remember that far back). Only been once and 'never again'. Hostility matches 'The Shed'!

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:01

Team Up! Nine Changes!

Head of Rugby Johann van Graan has made nine changes for Bath Rugby’s trip to Leicester Tigers in Round 19 of the Gallagher Premiership.

There are three alterations to the backline which started against Bristol Bears. Ruaridh McConnochie, Jonathan Joseph and Orlando Bailey are all recalled with Ben Spencer, Cameron Redpath, Matt Gallagher and Tom de Glanville continuing their starting roles.

The pack sees Tom Dunn and Will Stuart return to the front row alongside Beno Obano. The trio have only lined up five times from the beginning of a game together since the 2020 Premiership semi-final.

A fresh second row sees Josh McNally and GJ van Velze pair up while Fergus Lee-Warner lines up at blindside flanker for the first time in a Bath shirt. Number 8 Jaco Coetzee is selected from the outset and Sam Underhill retains the seven jersey.

On the bench, Alfie Barbeary is set for his first Bath appearance. The 22-year-old joined the Blue, Black and White on a long-term deal in November and has been working hard with the medical team to rehabilitate his hamstring since.

Bath Rugby: 15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Ruaridh McConnochie, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Cameron Redpath, 11 Matt Gallagher, 10 Orlando Bailey, 9 Ben Spencer ©; 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Josh McNally, 5 GJ van Velze, 6 Fergus Lee-Warner, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Jaco Coetzee

Impact players: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Juan Schoeman, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Miles Reid, 20 Alfie Barbeary, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Max Ojomoh, 23 Chris Cloete

P G Tips

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:02

Hopefully we will see what Alfie Barbeary can offer.
PG

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:03

I mean. It looks like a decent team sheet, but who knows.

Still hate the 6-2. It's marginally better with Mojo who can at least cover both center and wing (and I guess theoretically 10).

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:06

I had considered not using my ticket for the match - but team sheet has given me that (normally misplaced) optimism. Looking forward to seeing how both our No8s go.... and the front row has no excuses.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:06

As a 23 I’m pretty happy

Pack is a little odd not sure what on earth Reid has done to be dropped but the lineout clearly a focus point with FLW at 6.

Backline is very good Bailey finally at 10, just got to go for it

Strange to see 3 backrowers on the bench but so so exciting to see Barbeary.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:07

STARTING XV
15 Mike Brown [2]
14 Harry Potter [59]
13 Matt Scott [60]
12 Jimmy Gopperth [11]
11 Harry Simmons [31]
10 Handré Pollard [7]
9 Ben Youngs [296]
1 Tom West [3]
2 Julián Montoya (c) [36]
3 Joe Heyes [116]
4 George Martin [51]
5 Cameron Henderson [29]
6 Hanro Liebenberg [77]
7 Tommy Reffell [93]
8 Jasper Wiese [53]

REPLACEMENTS
16 Charlie Clare [71]
17 Francois van Wyk [28]
18 Will Hurd [21]
19 Harry Wells [173]
20 Olly Cracknell [17]
21 Tom Whiteley [1]
22 Charlie Atkinson [12]
23 Guy Porter [54]

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:15

Two decent sides and it should be a good old fashioned battle like it always is, think the home fans will see us to a win, but it looks like it could be a close one.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH

Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:19

Quote:
gaz59
Quote:
Clarkey3k
Bookies have Tigers 1/6 and Bath 6/1 for the win. That says it all to me [www.oddschecker.com]

I have a horrible feeling those odds could well equate to the tries scored

Odds today Tigers 1/5, Bath still 6/1 despite our strong selection. That Tigers team has a number of names I don't recognise so I'm a little more hopeful for the BB&W.

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:20

Quote:
HK890
As a 23 I’m pretty happy
Pack is a little odd not sure what on earth Reid has done to be dropped but the lineout clearly a focus point with FLW at 6.

Backline is very good Bailey finally at 10, just got to go for it

Strange to see 3 backrowers on the bench but so so exciting to see Barbeary.

Pack selected on the basis of mass for this one I suspect which doesn't sound a bad idea. Quick ball please, give it a proper go and the rest I don't care about at this stage.

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: redmix (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:23

for me that's the best balance in the back row in a starting lineup for a long time. Agree Reid hasn't done anything wrong, but continually picking a back row of players who are 6.5s hasn't worked.
10-12-13 also looks a good balance.
I don't know much about GJvV, any observations?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:29

I'm not happy about Van Velze starting at lock and I simply don't understand why we need three specialist back rows on the bench. Surely last week proved this point? Other than that this looks like a strong selection and there's no excuse for them not putting in a competitive performance. Very much hoping that we finally get to see Jaco Coetzee showing what he is capable of.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:29

[quote HK890]As a 23 I’m pretty happy

We are always happy when we see the 23 on paper, we are just disappointed when that 23 is sh*t on the pitch. Not expecting anything different this week. Hoping for less that 6 lost line out on our own throws, which would be progress!

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: copester (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 12:47

Van Velze is a good leader, I watched him close up at the pre season game at Coventry and he was the go too voice at stoppages etc. As other have said we have lacked leadership especially at set piece etc. This could be a factor of his selection.

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 13:14

Copster spot on that was my thinking personally think Van Velze is their to provide some much needed leadership and assistance for Spencer to allow him to focus on his game, which clearly has been missing in the last weeks.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 13:30

Apart from being wrong, stupid, facile and ineffective, splitting the bench 6-2 is pretty much the equivalent of ringing up Tigers' coaching team, and saying, 'I've just emailed you a copy of our gameplan - can you confirm you've got it, thanks?'

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 13:47

Quote:
hasta
I mean. It looks like a decent team sheet, but who knows.
Still hate the 6-2. It's marginally better with Mojo who can at least cover both center and wing (and I guess theoretically 10).

True but he can only cover one of those. Two down and we are over to a 9 or forward out in the wider backs

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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 13:48

Quote:
Optimist
Apart from being wrong, stupid, facile and ineffective, splitting the bench 6-2 is pretty much the equivalent of ringing up Tigers' coaching team, and saying, 'I've just emailed you a copy of our gameplan - can you confirm you've got it, thanks?'

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Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 13:49

Quote:
Optimist
Apart from being wrong, stupid, facile and ineffective, splitting the bench 6-2 is pretty much the equivalent of ringing up Tigers' coaching team, and saying, 'I've just emailed you a copy of our gameplan - can you confirm you've got it, thanks?'

this would be the case if we were hoping to win, but given the objective is to lose by less than last year, focus on defence (even the backs) and reduce tries conceded it probably doesnt matter.

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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 13:51

Quote:
woodpecker
Quote:
Optimist
Apart from being wrong, stupid, facile and ineffective, splitting the bench 6-2 is pretty much the equivalent of ringing up Tigers' coaching team, and saying, 'I've just emailed you a copy of our gameplan - can you confirm you've got it, thanks?'

this would be the case if we were hoping to win, but given the objective is to lose by less than last year, focus on defence (even the backs) and reduce tries conceded it probably doesnt matter.

Are we really travelling up there with just the wild aspiration of a LBP?

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Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 14:12

Yes.

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 15:18

Quote:
Optimist
Apart from being wrong, stupid, facile and ineffective, splitting the bench 6-2 is pretty much the equivalent of ringing up Tigers' coaching team, and saying, 'I've just emailed you a copy of our gameplan - can you confirm you've got it, thanks?'

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Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 15:18

Quote:
Optimist
Apart from being wrong, stupid, facile and ineffective, splitting the bench 6-2 is pretty much the equivalent of ringing up Tigers' coaching team, and saying, 'I've just emailed you a copy of our gameplan - can you confirm you've got it, thanks?'

There was I thinking our gameplan was a bit rubbish but, in fact, it was all because JvG has picked a 6:2 split for nearly every game... If he'd have held off that extra back-row forward we'd be playing champagne rugby now winking smiley

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 15:49

That is a good Bath team (as ever) but, unfortunately, that's an even better-looking Tigers side. Reffell being available is a real bonus for them, and West is a very canny signing. Still, I like the look of our squad, and does JJ's inclusion mean we're going to play a bit wider, or am I just dreaming of 2014?

It's a big ask, but I am interested to see if Barbeary can convert the pressure we create (usually without results) into points. He is a try machine, with a unique ability to get over from 3-5 yards, so perhaps he's the individual who lifts us out of this mess with 1/2/3 pick-and-go tries a game?

We're not short of carriers now – but we'll need to score +4 tries to stand any chance at Welford Road. I've no problem with all +4 of them being from c3m out. But I do have a problem if we keep trying to score tries from that range with zero success. Einstein's definition of insanity neatly describes our pick-and-go strategy for the most part thus far this season. Maybe Barbeary turns our insanely repetitive efforts into 5-pointers? If he does, and we win, I'll happily carry on being the most boring side in the league. I admit, it's a big IF...

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Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 16:04

Running out of excuses JVG

I very much hope we're not 4 from 20 after this...

COYB

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Posted by: bathonian80 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 19:41

Slightly better than being 1 from 22 in Europe pool stages tbf.

What a sorry state Tarquin has allowed this club to sink to.

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Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 20:35

Van Velze could be rugby’s answer to General Patton and I’m not sure it’s worth him starting while Ewan Richards plays for Taunton Titans

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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 21:26

Quote:
theredseat
Van Velze could be rugby’s answer to General Patton and I’m not sure it’s worth him starting while Ewan Richards plays for Taunton Titans

Why would you invest game time in your best young player from last season when he could be playing some third tier stuff....

Start the 35 year old.

I get the logic if it was a do or die game where you felt his knowledge and leadership may be the difference. Sadly all we are playing for is second from bottom when there is no relegation anyway.

All a bit desperate and embarassing imho but if he helps us win (and it may do) and it starts our inevitable march to glory in 2043 then happy days.

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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 21:29

Quote:
redmix
for me that's the best balance in the back row in a starting lineup for a long time. Agree Reid hasn't done anything wrong, but continually picking a back row of players who are 6.5s hasn't worked.

Agree, reid and bayliss have been fantastic but that looks a backrow with nice balance and skills mix if they fire

Sub hill in at 6 and similar scenario.

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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 21:33

Quote:
Optimist
Apart from being wrong, stupid, facile and ineffective, splitting the bench 6-2 is pretty much the equivalent of ringing up Tigers' coaching team, and saying, 'I've just emailed you a copy of our gameplan - can you confirm you've got it, thanks?'

You will be eating our words when we get 3 backrow injuries and no injuries in the backs.

Imagine cloete and reid can look up in the air at the ball and chase with the best if them so could perform the role of a bath outside back.

All joking aside that's a good team, it's a 23 that should have every chance of a win. I almost preferred it when we had loads of injuries and a ready made excuse.

Live in hope of being pleasantly surprised....

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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)

Date: 03/03/2023 22:22

Teamsheet is a bit like your neighbour’s untrustworthy dog. Looks ever so pretty and friendly, but at the back of your mind, you know for every 3 times you stroke it, you’ll get bitten at least once, probably twice.

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:04

Blimey, we win a scrum pen , kick to touch and win the lineout! However turnover to Leics

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:13

try BATH not converted

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:15

Pen to tigers, kick to corner. Now a pen coming. Kick again

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:15

Another pen to Tigers line out option

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:18

Another pen conceded, Potter try to Tigers. Converted so now 7-5. Lead lasted about 4 mins

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:22

Yellow card Dunn right on our line

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:23

was always going to be the case, we gave away 5 pens on their last attack. I fear the worst now and a tigers blitz coming

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:24

Tigers try

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:25

and yet another pen, and another try! this is awful again. And now another card, god we are so poor

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:25

Another try for Tigers. Another yellow for McNally and we’re down to 13.

We looked ok for 7 minutes. But we’re so poor. We’re going to have to do a ‘Sale away’ to make this even anything half respectable.

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:26

We are unwatchable as we are so, so poor. It's embarrassing just how inept we are at playing rugby

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:26

I reckon Tigers are more likely to do a "Bears"

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:28

Another Tigers try. All started from our own lineout with a terrible over throw

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:29

we probably trained well

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:30

Josh McNally has been so poor since his return from injury.

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:30

Utterly pathetic. You can just see how much any opposition love playing us. Tigers fizzing and we’re a complete shambles.

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:35

so a try to them every 10 mins, we could concede 7 or 8 here

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:36

we get a pen and kick it, I guess when two down in pack best thing to do

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:37

Are our forwards the least fit in the league? It’s either that or their desire that prevents them from getting around the corner to get on side in defence. Useless.

…nice try from Spencer.

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:37

A bit of fortune allowing Spencer to scoop it up and score

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:39

Great opportunism from Spencer. I also suspect how easily he cruised around Youngs is the final nail in his England career.

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:41

We just give away penalties like they are going out of fashion.

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:41

Tigers try. The BP for them

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:42

Another try conceded. Second phase after a tap penalty. So soft.

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:43

HT ... Thankfully

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Posted by: by (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:44

Completely outmuscled.

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:45

I assume Tigers fan are enjoying it, like we would be, but it’s not really a contest. Despite the tries etc, I’d feel a tad short changed if the opposition turned up and played like this, with this little discipline and fight. Not really a spectacle - more a training run and an embarrassment for the league given there’s no relegation, which is all we deserve.

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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:49

More kick tennis in the first 5 minutes of this game than there was in the whole match last night

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:49

so yet again, we like the 23 selected, whom yet again fail to get any of the basics right for more than five minutes. I know he has only been here for 3/4 of the season but JvG is not getting anything more out of this squad than anyone before him. I honestly think he should get rid of him, with a better squad we have got worse. there must be someone there who can inspire these guys to play with some passion.

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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:52

Bring in Dimes!

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Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:52

Munster fans reckon they are a heck of a lot better under Rowntree

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:53

Munster are better, agree sack JvG and get Dimes, great call

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Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:53

This is bullshit.

No wonder kids in Bath are starting to support Bristol.

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:54

Will we win …………….a game before the end of the season ? (Sm56)

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:55

Something is very wrong at the club. It doesn't matter which 23 we select it's all the same. We have, on paper, a very strong squad and match day side. Either the players are not as good as we all think and just can't grasp the coaching and what's being asked of them. Or the whole coaching set up is not very good and cannot communicate or inspire the players

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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:55

Will we win a line out even!

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Posted by: Gaughers (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:55

What we doing playing the 35 year old Van Velze. I've liked a lot of JVG's signings but all of our lock options are not good enough.

Attwood - Mr. Plod. Good if you're going just run at him.
McNally - totally out of form since his injury
Roux - Injured
Spencer - Not up to the level and Injured
Richards - playing for Taunton
Etete - God knows, hasn't played a minute.
Lee-Warner - the only decent player and he's off to Japan/France
Ellis - we loaned him out to Sarries
Williams - we gave him away to Ex

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:57

It is staggering how we don’t seem to improve AT ALL from week to week, despite our squad being stronger and our injury list shorter than for many years.

It’s not like we’re being cut apart by brilliant rugby, either. Opposition just know they’re going to walk all over us by doing the basics, and so much of our downfall is of our own making. Line out errors. Complete lack of discipline. Short of fitness. No confidence.

I simply don’t understand it. I don’t see how a group of professional players and coaches can keep turning in sh1te like this.

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 15:58

I actually think Van Velze has done ok!

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:03

Try McNally. Barbeary has changed everything.

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Posted by: by (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:06

Coetzee failed his HIA, that guy has had the worst luck with injury.

Another nasty looking KO for Underhill.

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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:07

Give Barbeary time. I’m sure we can bring him down to our level

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Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:07

Not over yet though

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Posted by: Alphonse the Dog (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:07

Fingers crossed for Sam.

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:09

Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Will we win …………….a game before the end of the season ?

No chance, have you seen our fixture list

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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:11

Quote:
Gaughers
What we doing playing the 35 year old Van Velze. I've liked a lot of JVG's signings but all of our lock options are not good enough.
Attwood - Mr. Plod. Good if you're going just run at him.
McNally - totally out of form since his injury
Roux - Injured
Spencer - Not up to the level and Injured
Richards - playing for Taunton
Etete - God knows, hasn't played a minute.
Lee-Warner - the only decent player and he's off to Japan/France
Ellis - we loaned him out to Sarries
Williams - we gave him away to Ex

Once again, with a few exceptions it’s not the players - it’s the coaching. It’s no better under JvG. The only thing that did improve was the defence under JPF & that is not going well today. It seems ridiculous but JvG as to go through the revolving door.

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:13

Barbeary off injured after 9 minutes. You couldn’t make it up.

There’s your 3 back rowers on the bench called into action

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:13

And Barbeary off with an injury

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:16

our fitness guru is more if a jinx! or are they being rushed back too soon. Coetzee has not completed one game where he has not been subbed due to injury. 6 appearances in two seasons

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023:03:04:16:17:00 by nick holder.

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:17

Quote:

Once again, with a few exceptions it’s not the players - it’s the coaching. It’s no better under JvG. The only thing that did improve was the defence under JPF & that is not going well today. It seems ridiculous but JvG as to go through the revolving door.[/quote

JvG is going back to SA at the end of the season………………for a long holiday.

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:18

do you think our new chairman , and tarquin have the balls to sack him?

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:20

Quote:
nick holder
do you think our new chairman , and tarquin have the balls to sack him?

Nope. They'll give him next season and hope Finn Russell is the answer to paper over all the cracks

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:21

I wonder what would happen if you switched the 10s?

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Posted by: Alphonse the Dog (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:25

Fingers crossed for Stuart

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Posted by: Alphonse the Dog (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:26

And Alfie

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Posted by: Giffer (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:28

Maybe we should look into durability when we make a signing in future, just a thought.

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:30

This is really encouraging……………….me not to renew my season tickets. (Sm23)

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:31

Aren’t the injuries just to do with the fact that we get physically dominated every single game? Hence, probability is we’re on the back foot and higher chance we get knocks on the head and bangs on the knee etc are higher?

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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:33

Tigers ofgside at 3 consecutive rucks in red zone but Dickson fails to penalise.

PG

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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:34

Tigers try

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:35

Pathetic defence both on kick chase then Bailey’s tackle on their hooker. To reiterate, pathetic.

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Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:37

Mike Brown breaks 27 tackles !! I need a very large drink (Sm129)

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Posted by: recman (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:37

One of the many malaises at Bath over the past decade has been their complete inability to get the bonus point try when they've had plenty of time. Is that going to be the case yet again today?

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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:38

Harsh on Bailey - who halted Brown, was then trapped at bottom of a ruck and got across somehow in cover to attempt the final tackle.

PG

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:38

And another try for Tigers being checked by tmo

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:38

Quote:
dr.bath1865
Aren’t the injuries just to do with the fact that we get physically dominated every single game? Hence, probability is we’re on the back foot and higher chance we get knocks on the head and bangs on the knee etc are higher?

Must have something to do with it

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:42

Redpath hauled down Brown.

Not harsh on Bailey at all imho. A 10 should stop a hooker from 10 yards out. And Bailey is old enough and has played enough rugby to have no excuses. Without focusing too much on him, as they’ve all been terrible, that missed tackle aside, Bailey has done nothing, and your 10 has to do something. Fact Spencer is now playing 10 speaks volumes.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:43

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charlieboa
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Optimist
Apart from being wrong, stupid, facile and ineffective, splitting the bench 6-2 is pretty much the equivalent of ringing up Tigers' coaching team, and saying, 'I've just emailed you a copy of our gameplan - can you confirm you've got it, thanks?'

You will be eating our words when we get 3 backrow injuries and no injuries in the backs.

Fair call Charlie - I now realise that JVG is a genius.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:44

This tigers try does stand this time

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:46

Just exhausting and miserable watching this team.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:47

Quote:
hasta
Just exhausting and miserable watching this team.

honestly did you really expect anything different?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:48

Bath try. Thats our BP try

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:49

Well that's a point we don't deserve.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:50

Quote:
supermarinematt
And Barbeary off with an injury

Why do we keep on signing injury prone players?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:52

We are doing our best to cheer you up.
Barbeary is a real talent, seems unlucky

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:56

FT 48-27

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Giffer (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:57

As one of the more stable clubs financially, it bamboozles me that we don't pay the money and go get the very best in class at club level backroom staff and coaching none of that counts towards the cap.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: by (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:58

Thoroughly depressing watch, made worse given that we've lost several more players to injury. If you were planning watching the replay save yourself the pain.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 16:58

Quote:
dr.bath1865
Redpath hauled down Brown.
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So Redpath was wearing 10 was he?

PG

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:01

Well even though I was hoping to be wrong, I did predict we would concede 6 tries, as we did, and w would get a LBP which we did.
We are just so poor!

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:02

Awful. Didn’t deserve the TBP and we did deserve all of the bad luck we got. Clueless, especially the first 40 when it was men versus boys.

Watching it was more blindingly obvious than ever to me that we’re trying to play an ultra conservative game plan without a functioning line out or a top class 10 who runs the game. Off the back of that, we get on the back foot and then our lack of fitness and discipline kills us. Confidence drops. Game over.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: West Wilts Wanderer (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:03

Quote:
dr.bath1865
Redpath hauled down Brown.

Incorrect, Bailey brought down Brown, Redpath missed the first tackle off the high ball

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:03

Well that was just awful. Leaving aside injuries, I despair at our total lack of ambition.

It seems that our entire game plan is forward trundle, kick, forward trundle and hope we get lucky. We are back to hoping we can stay in a game and then a miracle might tip the balance our way.

We have no attacking structure and no intent to use our backs. If you are a back then van Grann does not value you, you are just an irrelevance.

The constant 6-2 bench is just a concession that we are not interested in attack unless something miraculously comes from a kick chase or a one-off runner winning a collision and getting someone free. This sort of rugby died out a decade ago.

Why aren't we using the rest of the season trying to speed up delivery so that when Russell turns up we have something to work on.

This dreadful style of rugby isn't working so change it.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:04

Sure it was Redpath PG but I might well be wrong. Nothing personal.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Gaughers (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:04

What on earth was Bath's shape at the end? Spencer at 10, Bailey 12 and Mojo 13 but playing like a 12?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:07

For me Bath’s man of the match ? Fergus L Warner…………and he’s seen the light and going. ! (Sm19)

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:08

I wonder if the Head Coach might give some hint of that fact that large aspects of what he's trying to do aren't working and that we might change.

At least when Borthwick spent half a season rinsing Tigers he learned something. What have we learned about the squad? Why did we bother signing Etete? Why, omg why, did we persist with two absolute failures of coaches?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:09

What was the barbeary injury? Unclear on radio commentary....

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:10

Everyone expected Tigers to thrash us today so it’s not worth gnashing teeth over the inevitable result.

Wether we like it or not we have a Premiership quality squad with a Championship quality coaching setup.

Not sure when relegation returns, but we can guarantee Bath will be going down unless the club invests in a decent coaching setup.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: West Wilts Wanderer (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:11

Not sure how Russell is gonna solve our back line.... truly inept. Shame as I had hoped Maddock might get them firing.

Lineout still a shambles, Dunn well off in his current performance levels. Thought the back row went ok, in spite of all the changes. Shame our most effective and clearly fittest lock (FLW) is probably off at the end of the season.

Wasn't aware JJ was playing till 60 mins in, a good servant but stealing a wage at the mo.

I may be alone but I don't think JvG is a bad coach, Chatteris, Yes! I think we need to change a few old playing faces who have been around a bit too long and constantly underperform.

Hope Barbeary is ok, wrap him in cotton wool and get him ready for next season. And as others have said lets get some of our hungry youngsters involved, Richards, Staddon et al.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:17

I don't think we will often be able to name a 23 of that calibre (were similarly strong on paper against irish and bris)..... and we get thrashed.

It's very worrying. I personally am prepared to give jvg til this time next season to fully judge him.

He should have his own coaches if he wants anything to change , playing squad will largely by his choices, will have had 2 pre seasons and over 1.5 seasons in charge. Genuinely in no excuse territory then , esp with Bruce paying up to cap and coughing up silly money for finn.

I am not even asking the world by this time next year, just a team I am not embarrassed by more weeks than not would do.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:21

Quote:
charlieboa
What was the barbeary injury? Unclear on radio commentary....

Something just below or to the side of his right (?) knee, they tapped it up and he tried to jog on it but was in lots of pain…

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:26

Quote:
dcsh
Quote:
charlieboa
What was the barbeary injury? Unclear on radio commentary....
Something just below or to the side of his right (?) knee, they tapped it up and he tried to jog on it but was in lots of pain…

Thanks dcsh.

Thankfully sounds different to his hammy issues?

Fingers crossed its a minor knee tweak rather than anything serious.

Poor bloke, some guys get zero luck....we sign most of them. Let's hope his luck changes as he is a top player.

Lack of news on coko and roux is ominous

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:28

Quote:
Gaughers
What we doing playing the 35 year old Van Velze. I've liked a lot of JVG's signings but all of our lock options are not good enough.
Attwood - Mr. Plod. Good if you're going just run at him.
McNally - totally out of form since his injury
Roux - Injured
Spencer - Not up to the level and Injured
Richards - playing for Taunton
Etete - God knows, hasn't played a minute.
Lee-Warner - the only decent player and he's off to Japan/France
Ellis - we loaned him out to Sarries
Williams - we gave him away to Ex

Number one priority now in terms of recruitment- only ones I would be bothered about retaining above are richards (please play the bloke) and flw who is off by all accounts.

Jury out on ewels to an extent.

We need at least 2 or 3 new options in imho

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:29

There was a huge lot wrong today and there are persistent problems needing an urgent fix. Not least strength and conditioning (or maybe it is the physical make up of the players). Leicester played their usual confrontational game and we could not cope with the brutality.

That said - we got no luck today: 3 back row injuries in the space of - what? -10 or 12 minutes is pretty unlucky by any standards. That Bath still managed some attack after that is creditable. The observation by the commentator that "Bath got little of the rub of the green" (I think he was paraphrasing what one of the players was saying to the ref) had some merit. The 3 Leicester tries and 2 Bath yellow cards came in a period of pressure from an error by the ref penalising McConnochie when he had been tackled by a player on the ground. Then, in the 62nd minute, with Bath pressing, Tigers midfield was offside at 3 rucks in a row- within 10M of their line - no penalty to Bath, the pressure eventually bringing a penalty for Leicester. That is not consistent officiating.

I suspect that with another ref (or ref team) the result might have been closer.

PG

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:33

What I find so disheartening is every time we send a lineout 5-10m out it’s a try PLUS a yellow card.

It’s 2-3 times a game, no team anywhere can win 14-21 points down with 13 men! Then in desperation any one with fire gets injured to make up the deficit.

In my view Chatteris and Hatley are jointly responsible, it’s no coincidence that we keep the same coaches and have the same problems. Nothing has changed!

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:34

Well we don't have power, pace, a lineout, a maul, good discipline or acceptable goal-kicking, but other than that it's going great.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 17:54

JVG has won 4, drawn 1 and lost 15.

'hard to beat'...

I've seen enough to form an opinion.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 18:10

Not only will we finish bottom for the second season in a row, but this season we will be well adrift at the foot. I actually think that relegation would create the shake up needed for this.

Bath enjoy loyal support, pretty much unconditional, with almost all home games being a sellout. I am not sure that the recent offerings deserve that level of loyalty.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 18:25

Reaction from JvG. “It was an interesting game”

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 18:58

Wonder if history is repeating itself with regard to the latest incoming Coaching situation?

Why is Hooper anywhere near the team? Crazy management in any environment, let alone competitive professional sport.

As the lineouts have been farcically unsuccessful (amongst other things) for several seasons = why again?
I have a horrible sinking feeling that history is repeating itself on a repetitive roundabout?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 19:10

It’s sad but few of us are surprised at the result and many no longer care.

Once again the coaching appointments have proven to be disastrous. Blackadder, Hooper and now JvG. The common denominator for all of these is Tarquin, he simply has to go. Get someone in with fresh eyes to appoint the right DOR and HC. Failure to do this and we’ll be in the championship at the first opportunity.

No point attending the upcoming members event to hear Tarquin drone on for hours about how great things are going to be.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 19:55

JvG. Quote Today

“ We are steadily getting better, we’ve become tough to beat, I think every team acknowledges that now. “

I was watching a different team today then !

Are we still getting ‘ Epic , Elite Entertainment’ ? (Sm102)

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: plong (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 20:30

I switched off about halfway through the 1st half - ended up doing a jigsaw, which was more fulfilling!!!

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 20:56

So we missed a kick last week in the last 4 minutes to win the match........the team we were playing utterly annihalates Saints.

Quins have just thrashed the mighty Exeter who made more unforced errors in one match than I have seen them make in a season in the past.......

I think Spencer was faster today and even made some runs on his own.

JJ is not playing and is not worth having in the squad.

See the delightful and simple chip kick from Marcus Smith that led to a try simple but very, very effective

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Jonny Fantastic (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 20:58

I find it utterly demoralising seeing teams like Bristol and Quins rip teams up like they have done in this week's round (and others in previous rounds) and we can't replicate that. I have seen so many comments on here and on social media saying our problems are fully down to the coaching. Okay, our substandard coaching may be a factor to our performances, but at the end of the day it's down to the players on the pitch to deliver and at the moment, they aren't. It's high time up some of them shape up or get shipped out.

I can see there being some sort of a clear-out at the end of the season. To me, our problems stem with four key elements - poor discipline, poor quality at 10, a substandard pack with no depth and doesn't win the collisions (hence the injuries!), and a badly misfunctioning set piece (mostly the lineout). If you fix all of these issues, the attack will improve considerably I'm sure. JVG will probably want to complete his reset and start off next season with a clean state.

As hard as it is to say, we must keep the faith!

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 22:16

Quote:
Old Bath Tub
JvG. Quote Today
“ We are steadily getting better, we’ve become tough to beat, I think every team acknowledges that now. “

I was watching a different team today then !

Are we still getting ‘ Epic , Elite Entertainment’ ?

We need to be realistic that whatever a coach says after a defeat they are words that are unlikely to be what they are thinking. They are not going to throw individual players or assistant coaches under the bus. There should be harsh words in the week at Farleigh and that should go both ways in a healthy environment if the players feel that the tactics were wrong, but that is for the closed environment only.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Substitute (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 23:10

This is not a good team but, worse, this is not a disciplined team - they don't achieve the basic required.

They don't deserve a coach like JvG... Why treat them as professionals? They need a bo**ocking.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 23:12

Just watched the first 30 minutes. Then I just stopped caring. First time in 50 years. Nuff said.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 23:27

Quote:
Old Bath Tub
JvG. Quote Today
“ We are steadily getting better, we’ve become tough to beat, I think every team acknowledges that now. “

I was watching a different team today then !

Are we still getting ‘ Epic , Elite Entertainment’ ?

I think JvG has become delusional, the league table shows how hard we are to beat! Pretty much every team has found it quite easy.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 23:38

Quote:
joethefanatic
Just watched the first 30 minutes. Then I just stopped caring. First time in 50 years. Nuff said.

Does this mean you'll be referring to yourself from now on as joetheapathetic?!

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 23:41

Quote:
TomReagan
Quote:
joethefanatic
Just watched the first 30 minutes. Then I just stopped caring. First time in 50 years. Nuff said.
Does this mean you'll be referring to yourself from now on as joetheapathetic?!

Whatevs

But I just watched the Arsenal game smiling smiley

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 23:53

Quote:
shipwrecked
What I find so disheartening is every time we send a lineout 5-10m out it’s a try PLUS a yellow card.
It’s 2-3 times a game, no team anywhere can win 14-21 points down with 13 men! Then in desperation any one with fire gets injured to make up the deficit.

In my view Chatteris and Hatley are jointly responsible, it’s no coincidence that we keep the same coaches and have the same problems. Nothing has changed!

+ 1

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)

Date: 04/03/2023 23:59

Just back from a nice day out in Leicester, they are a happy bunch, quite sympathetic and baffled by our underperforming squad. Hardest thing for me today was the injuries, highlight FLW flattening the Leicester player for TBP. Very depressing reading the postings, understandably nothing positive to say, however I did feel there was more adventure shown today, not that it was successful but it did seem a improvement on the total dross of the last 2 home games. Unfortunately when it went wrong Leicester punished Bath every time.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 01:09

Charteris and Hatley should have been fired last season and should definitely be fired now. But jvg is in charge he has to say something different. I get that he doesn't want to throw people under the bus or overreact in a media situation and that's fine. But he's sounding delusional.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 01:53

Finally raised the energy to watch the rest of the match. We weren't hopeless, I suppose, just thoroughly second best in every facet of the game. And as soon as any pressure came on, we disintegrated into a rabble and that's been the story of the last 3 years. The malign legacy of the previous coaching regime hangs heavily over us. Who'd have thought it could have done that much damage?

There's a "cargo cult" quality to what we're doing. We *look* like we're playing rugby but, when you analyse it, it's all surface - the underlying structures that make it all hang together just don't seem to be there.

Poor teams are unlucky and have injuries and our injury record would be laughable, if it weren't so sad for the players involved. I hope Alfie is OK.

My MotM - Beno (again).

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 05:44

The most disappointing thing for me is that whilst we just couldn’t get a win we looked competitive in every match & a win seemed only a matter of time. The rugby was mostly dull & disjointed but we looked to have been growing a backbone. In the last 3 matches that has withered away. Although players were returning from injury & we were able to put out highly competitive teams our performances have deteriorated. Not only are we losing winnable matches, this time heavily, injuries are returning even to players who’ve just recovered. I have to ask what is going on? As a club we seem entirely dysfunctional & JvG is completely relaxed about it. Maybe it does no good but I would like to see a bit of frustration & anger. It is not a good time to be a Bath & West Ham supporter & if you follow all sports don’t look at Team Bath Netball’s results if you want cheering up!

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 06:57

Try supporting bath rugby, Southampton fc and my daughters u8s football team.

All bottom of the league (til yest)- grim season tho at least saints somehow won yest.

I am all for laying 90% of the blame at the last coaching regime and this coaching regime but jeeze these players don't show much mental fortitude do they!? Where is their pride to sort this out properly. Are the coaches really so bad that a 23 like we have named in the last 3 matches are on a hiding to nothing!? Not sure I buy that completely. I think there has to be an element of joint ownership.

What's the solution- I have no idea. Realistically I think hats and charteris are in big trouble and probably need to go. Elements of the game they look after are at best inconsistent, at worst consistently awful.

Recruitment will be important to get more players jvg wants here but when you are bottom with a star littered squad it's clearly not the silver bullet.

No idea if jvg remit is too big- evidence so far suggests it is.

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 07:21

Whilst good it's not a recurrence of the hammy issue it sounds like a potentially bad knee injury.

[www.somersetlive.co.uk]

Let's hope he is as lucky as coko who is only out for a month, tho he was able to play on with his for quite a while

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 07:23

Interesting that jvg points to bad luck with the leic final try

Obviously was a bit freakish but we were 41-20 down with 6 mins left so damage was firmly done and it was irrelevant

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 08:11

I said it last week but chron usually generous yo a fault so when players are getting 4s and 5s then they it's a massive worry

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Only one with a decent score looks set to leave in the summer.

Theme of lots of ill discipline as always- 2 yellows pretty good for us.

Bailey in 'looks short on confidence' shocker when his reward for his truly gutsy efforts last season is having to play second fiddle to a bang average francis , has all meaningful responsibility stripped from him, and they bring in a coach who shafts his goalkicking.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: WimborneBath (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 09:10

This thread makes for a dispiriting read. The woes of the performances, results and lack of anything to cling for a hope of revival is beyond sad. It is painful to imagine Bath in a lower division but nothing this season has suggested that this or next season will see a turnaround. If we have a clear out of players this summer without tackling the management and coaching, other players are unlikely to join Mr Russell.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: @Hydor18 (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 09:47

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Pathetic defence both on kick chase then Bailey’s tackle on their hooker. To reiterate, pathetic.

I was roundly put down by someone on Twitter the other day when I bemoaned the fact we give the opposition at least one soft try a game. I seriously wonder what I am watching if that’s not the case. Gifted tries are our party piece and I fully understand why JP Ferreira is bald.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 10:30

It pays to compare sometimes. Harlequins had had a run off 6 games without a win and were up against Exeter a side that have a record of scoring tries from rolling mauls 5m out. In the fist 10 minutes they faced Exeter in exactly that situation. They repelled that threat and went on to dominate the game.
To my mind we simply have to sort this out, too many times have we concede a score early on from that scenario but worse still is we have dropped to 14 the 13 on the pitch. There is no way back from that, confidence and morale are obliterated and defeat inevitable.

What is galling is that in between all this there are example of top class rugby by some of our best players, Lawrence, Hill, Underhill, TdG and Gallagher for example, even Ben Spencer showed us he hasn't lost it.

What I also find interesting in the comparison with Quins is Tabai Matson, when he was paired with Todd Blackadder things were improving and we can see what he has achieved in the long term.

I'm still of the belief that we need a DoR AND a head coach given one person win both roles has failed 3 times now. In addition there are some common denominators that need to change to effect a revival as previously mentioned.

One thing remains a mystery though, why do we get so many back row injuries and No 8? Coetzee, Faletau, Barberry, Underhill, Hill, Cloete, final thing is Chippy still with us?

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 11:07

The injuries yesterday were utterly absurd, summed up by poor Barbeary's attempt to play on. Is this a conditioning thing? Body positioning?

The game was over by the time McNally returned from the bin unfortunately. I'll admit to being in the stadium and completely missing him being sent off. Dunn's however was pretty clear though - how many times has this guy done this now. Do they not realise that giving up 5/7 points but staying up at 15 might be a better outcome than losing a man and inevitably giving up the 5/7 points.

We had a good period in the second half, but this is a team and supporter base who have been devoid of belief for 2 years now. The comeback against an old foe in their house was never on.

How the hell does anyone change this

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 11:20

McNally was carded after the try was scored for the team being persistently outside in defence, but he personally had been responsible for at least three if not four of the penalty offenses

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 11:57

Agree that McNally card was a team offence one but Leicester had 4 or possibly 5 offsides in rapid succession when we were attacking and no card.. All we can ever ask for with a referee is consistency it was Dickson and it was absent.
I stopped watching at that point because if the referee isn’t consistent then the game is pointless also it is very bad for my blood pressure.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Pulteney (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 12:14

Unfortunately we didn’t have any drive left in our side with Hill, Lawrence and Coko missing.

Like many other supporters I can see quite a few changes this summer……

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 13:27

Tigers fan in peace. To me it looked like Bath were a team low on confidence and with a number of players returning after injuries. Add to that a number of disruptions during the game playing against a team who are just beginning to find some form and you have a recipe for a struggle.
Although we had a few missing the spine of our team Pollard, Wiese, Montoya and Martin were all playing which helped us. Good luck for the rest of the season and hope you injured players aren’t too serious.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 14:55

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WimborneBath
This thread makes for a dispiriting read. The woes of the performances, results and lack of anything to cling for a hope of revival is beyond sad. It is painful to imagine Bath in a lower division but nothing this season has suggested that this or next season will see a turnaround. If we have a clear out of players this summer without tackling the management and coaching, other players are unlikely to join Mr Russell.

I don’t think enticing decent players in the current climate is a major problem as it has become a buyers’ market. Players will be mostly concerned about their livelihood & are always optimistic that things will improve.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: redmix (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 21:53

I am obviously in the minority on this board, but I quite enjoyed that match. I did NOT enjoy Bath losing, I never do. But I thought the performance was miles ahead of the last 2 games. Leicester away is one we don't win very often, so I had low expectations for the result.

We had bad luck, Leicester had the rub of the green. What cost us was the utter brain dead stupidity of getting carded under our posts to go down to 14 and then the pressure it put on the rest of the team caused further infringements taking us down to 13. This is not the fault of the coaches, it is absolutely the fault of the players concerned. It's been said above, but it is the same players making the same stupid mistakes. The coaches pick them, largely because there is no one else available, but the coaches do not tell them to be idiots on the pitch. Our problem is not the coaches, it is (some of) the players and for a variety of reasons. If it really is a buyers market at the moment, JvG needs to make it clear that they all are playing for next year's contract. Keep being an idiot on the pitch and you need get your agent looking for a new gig for you. I don't care if they go off and become better players elsewhere, they need to perform for the BB&W to warrant wearing the shirt.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 22:18

We won 5 games out of 24 last season in what was generally regarded as our nadir. This year we’re in line to finish with 4/20 (and if anyone can find an argument for winning any of our remaining games, then please pass me your cup) …ie worse.

How is it possible to surpass your nadir?

If I was captain of this team, I’d say, stuff the coaches. Let’s own this. I’ll see you at Lambridge tomorrow morning at 7. Let’s see who wants it.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)

Date: 05/03/2023 22:40

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If I was captain of this team, I’d say, stuff the coaches. Let’s own this. I’ll see you at Lambridge tomorrow morning at 7. Let’s see who wants it.

No decent coach, would have any problem with this...

The players need to take some ownership. Coaches can prepare you for the 80, but they cannot tell you how to react on the field. And, being harsh, a lot of these brain-dead on-field decisions are cultural rather than coached. No way is JvG's team teaching or instructing them to give away dumb penalties and yellow cards 5 metres from the line...

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Shorty Shorty iiv (IP Logged)

Date: 06/03/2023 03:34

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If I was captain of this team, I’d say, stuff the coaches. Let’s own this. I’ll see you at Lambridge tomorrow morning at 7. Let’s see who wants it.

No decent coach, would have any problem with this...

The players need to take some ownership. Coaches can prepare you for the 80, but they cannot tell you how to react on the field. And, being harsh, a lot of these brain-dead on-field decisions are cultural rather than coached. No way is JvG's team teaching or instructing them to give away dumb penalties and yellow cards 5 metres from the line...

Bang on... +1

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 06/03/2023 06:51

Agreed, there is absolutely shared culpability between players and coaches- lots of the inexplicable moments of madness from individual players isn't coached.

It is a buyers market and I agree that players need to perform in bb&w. If they do that they should keep their place (doesn't happen enough), if they aren't rectifying issues and mistakes then maybe we have to be harsher.

I can see a few coaches going and a big chunk of the playing squad going- then we can see how much the rot has set in or if jvg can turn it around

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)

Date: 06/03/2023 08:42

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Optimist
This year we’re in line to finish with 4/20 (and if anyone can find an argument for winning any of our remaining games, then please pass me your cup) …ie worse.

We play saints this week who got absolutely battered by a Bristol side who didn’t look special against us bar Semi. Couldn’t have a better time to play them, worst defence in the league and missing big players.

Realistically I’d say that’s our only chance of a win unless Sarries put out a young side last game of the season.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)

Date: 06/03/2023 09:04

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I can see a few coaches going and a big chunk of the playing squad going

In other words, this season is nothing to do with 'becoming harder to beat', it's just another season in the waiting room, while next season will be another transition season of bedding in a new coaching set up and squad.

I should think Tom Ellis will have to be removed from Sarries and put on a train to Bath by security.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Date: 06/03/2023 09:17

I have to say it was a good day up at Welford Rd - not the result but actually those who were there will agree it was the best we had started a game for a long time.

I am not going to sugar coat the result - I would say though a lot of what JVG said post match was right - Tigers did their damage when Dunn AGAIN stupidly got sin binned and then McNally - you cannot play at this level with 13 players and when you are playing a side like Tigers you cannot afford to have your Hooker and main Lineout jumper off the field.

Once Tigers had that buffer of points there was only ever going to be one result - we did battle but the hill was so steep to climb that we left ourselves open to be picked off and Tigers did that effectively.

Karl Dickson - I am not going to harp on about him again - but god he let Tigers get away with a lot - there was a period where Tigers were consistently offside - he gave penalty after penalty but no card - Bath infringed and out came the card - and that was the opinion of the Tigers supporter sat behind me!!

What is hugely worrying for me is the amount of serious injuries to key players we are picking up - I am not sure when our luck is going to change - but I think it is incredulous to suggest our Medics, Strength and Conditioning staff are sub standard - it is just unbelievable bad luck.

Finally I would say we are improving - I know it is hard to see and many will be laughing at this post but we do look dangerous and our defence is so much better - hard to say that having just conceded 48 points I know but you have to understand at least 24 of those points were when we were down to 14 or even 13 - if you look at the game when we were both at full strength - it was actually 27-24 to Bath!!! obviously Tigers would have scored some points but I am certain they would not have run in 24 if we had 15 on the pitch - it would have been a much closer game.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)

Date: 06/03/2023 09:30

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I can see a few coaches going and a big chunk of the playing squad going

In other words, this season is nothing to do with 'becoming harder to beat', it's just another season in the waiting room, while next season will be another transition season of bedding in a new coaching set up and squad.

I should think Tom Ellis will have to be removed from Sarries and put on a train to Bath by security.

I would have a different slant on it- it is then jvg's set up and playing squad so any excuses evaporate.

He will have had 2 pre seasons and over a year in charge. We have to improve dramatically next season and that would only require lower mid table mediocrity and winning nearly as many games as we lose.

I don't think many expect miracles now sadly but soke kind of trending in the right direction to give us hope is the absolute minimum

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)

Date: 06/03/2023 09:43

I'm not really in the mood to be positive Charlie!! So, while i'm all doom and gloom it's beholden to remind ourselves that the most significant signing of all won't even arrive until 8 October at the earliest.

Presumably Russell will have a few days here and there in Bath across the summer?

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Date: 06/03/2023 13:36

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JvG. Quote Today
“ We are steadily getting better, we’ve become tough to beat, I think every team acknowledges that now. “

I was watching a different team today then !

Are we still getting ‘ Epic , Elite Entertainment’ ?

We need to be realistic that whatever a coach says after a defeat they are words that are unlikely to be what they are thinking. They are not going to throw individual players or assistant coaches under the bus. There should be harsh words in the week at Farleigh and that should go both ways in a healthy environment if the players feel that the tactics were wrong, but that is for the closed environment only.

I think supporters just want the coach/manager to be straightforward and honest about the performance. Apart from Gary Neville , strong assessments from Erik ten Hag Here

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Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Date: 06/03/2023 14:14

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I can see a few coaches going and a big chunk of the playing squad going

In other words, this season is nothing to do with 'becoming harder to beat', it's just another season in the waiting room, while next season will be another transition season of bedding in a new coaching set up and squad.

I should think Tom Ellis will have to be removed from Sarries and put on a train to Bath by security.

If I were Tom Ellis I'd refuse to come back to Bath and try and accelerate signing permanently for Sarries.

Re: FIND SOME TEETH! LEICESTER TIGERS v BATH. TEAM UP!

Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)

Date: 07/03/2023 13:24

I actually watched the full game last evening, after previously only listening on Radio Brizzle live. I have to say that my opinion has tempered a little. There were many side story positives.

Spencer was a different player than his performance against Bears, fast ball was refreshing to see.

FLW was very good, as good as I have seen him play in the BBW, and Alfie’s short cameo demonstrated exactly what has been missing since Hughes departed. If fit, I predict that he can make as big a difference as FR.

TDG had a very strong game also, but as others have said, it was the YCs that killed us.

Cloete did well when he came on.

We were incredibly unfortunate with injuries, the last try was a freak that was almost impossible to cater for.

Keeping the faith, ……

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