Bath Squad 2023/24


Finn Russell
By CoochieCoo
June 5 2023

The Bath Squad for next season 2023/24. Please let me know on the thread of any omissions or errors. This is best viewed on the desktop version as the formatting goes awry on the mobile version.

Age is at 1 September 2023  
         
EQP 55

67.9

 %  
Total 81      
FORWARDS   28  
         
Nat Pos Age Player Contract Start and length
         
IT HK 29 Hame Faiva Nov 22 undisclosed length
ENG HK 30 Tom Dunn Ext Dec 2022
IRE HK 32 Niall Annett Ext Feb2024 to 2025
ENG PRL 24 Arthur Cordwell Academy Promotion Jun 2021
ENG PRL 28 Beno Obano Ext Apr 2022 to 2023/24
SA PRL 31 Juan Schoeman Signed June 2020 leaving 2023/24
SA PRL 32 Francois van Wyk  Signed April 2024 to 2006/7
WAL PRT 22 Archie Griffin  Ext Jan 2024 to 2027
ENG PRT 24 Kieren Verden Academy Promotion Jun 2021 leaving 2023/24
ENG PRT 27 Will Stuart Ext signed Jan 2024 to 2026 
SA PRT 29 Johannes Jonker Signed Jun 2021 leaving 2023/24
SA PRT 29 Thomas Du Toit Signed Mar 2023
SA LK/BR 35 GJ van Velze August 2023 retiring after 2023/24
ENG LK 21 Ewan Richards Ext May 2022 (long term reported)
ENG LK 28 Charlie Ewels Ext Jan 2024 to 2027
IRE LK 29 Ross Molony Signed Apr 2024 to 2026-7
ENG LK 30 Elliott Stooke Nov 2023 for current season
IRE LK 32 Quinn Roux Ext April 2023
ENG LK 33 Josh McNally Signed 2019 leaving 2023/34
SA LK/BR 30 Jacques du Plessis Signed March 2024 rest of 23/24 option for 24/25
ENG BR 21 Ethan Staddon Ext April 2024 to 2025
ENG BR 22 Alfie Barbeary Ext Dec 2022
ENG BR 24 Ted Hill Ext Dec 2022
ENG BR 25 Miles Reid Ext February 2024 to 2027
ENG BR 26 Josh Bayliss Ext March 2024 to 2027
SA BR 27 Jaco Coetzee Ext March 2024 to 2025
ENG BR 27 Sam Underhill Ext Apr 2024 to 2026
SA BR 32 Chris Cloete Ext Dec 2022 retiring after 2023/24
         
BACKS     18  
         
Nat Pos  Age Player Contract Start and length if known
         
SA SH 20 Neil le Roux Signed February 2024 short term rehabilitation 
ENG SH 21 Tom Carr-Smith Signed Jun 2020
ENG SH 31 Ben Spencer Ext Dec 2022
SA SH 33 Louis Schreuder Ext Feb 2025 to 2025
ENG FH 21 Orlando Bailey Apr 2024 to 2026
SCO FH 30 Finn Russell Dec 2022 three year contract 
SCO CE 23 Cameron Redpath Ext Jan 2024 to 2027
ENG CE 22 Max Ojomoh Ext Jan 2024 to 2027
ENG CE 23 Ollie Lawrence October 2022 two year contract
ENG CE 23 Will Butt Academy Promotion June 2021
ENG CE 26 Max Wright Jan 2020 leaving 2023/24
ENG WG 25 Joe Cokanasiga Ext Apr 2024 to 2027
ENG WG 27 Will Muir Ext Jan 2024 to 2027
WAL WG 27 Regan Grace Signed Apr 2024 to 24/25 & option to 2026
ENG WG 31 Ruaridh McConnochie Ext May 2024 to 2024/25
ENG FB 23 Tom de Glanville Ext March 2024 to 2026
ENG FB 26 Matt Gallagher Signed Mar 2022 leaving 2024 season
SA  FB 27 Brendon Owen Signed Nov 2023
         
ACADEMY   35  
         
Nat Pos  Age Player Contract Start and length if known
         
ENG HK 19 Max Pearce Scholar Aug 2022
ENG HK 19 Kepu Tuipulotu Senior Academy Apr 2024
ENG HK 20 Jasper Spandler Signed June 2021
ENG HK 21 John Stewart Ext Mar 2024 to end of 2025 season
ENG PRL/PRT 20 Mikey Summerfield Signed Jul 2023
SA PRL 19 Scott Kirk Scholar Aug 2022
WAL PRL 18 Ioan Emanuel Senior Acacademy May 2023
ENG PRT 18 Billy Sela Senior Acacademy May 2023
ENG LK 18 Rory Cameron Senior Acacademy May 2023
ENG LK 20 Josh Dingley Signed June 2021
ENG LK 19 Harvey Cuckson Signed Dec 2022
ENG LK 19 Eddie Erskine Scholar Aug 2022
ENG LK 19 Daniel Marais Signed Jan 2023
ENG LK/BR 19 Jack Bennett Senior Academy May 2023
ENG LK/BR 19 Will Jeanes Sen Academy Jun 2022
ENG BR 18 George Timmins Senior Academy May 2023
ENG BR 19 Connor Treacy Senior Academy Apr 2024
ENG BR 19 Abdul-Khalik Akenzua Al Kareem Sen Academy Jun 2022
ENG BR 19 Arthur Green Sen Academy Jun 2022
ENG BR 20 Guy Pepper Signed April 2024 to 2026-7
ENG BR 20 Mackenzie Graham Signed June 2021 
WAL BR 21 Thompson Cowan Signed Sep 2021 two year deal
WAL SH 19 Ieuan Davies Sen Academy May 2023
ENG FH 18 Raff Weston Senior Acacademy May 2023
ENG FH 20 Sam Harris Ext Feb 2024 to 2026
ENG CE 18 James Short Senior Acacademy May 2023
WAL CE 19 Louie Hennessey Joined Acad Jun 2022
ENG CE 19 Will Parry Sen Academy Jun 2022
ENG CE/WG 19 Charlie Griffin Senior Academy Apr 2024
WAL FB 19 Jack Woods Senior Academy Apr 2024
IRE FB 20 Ciaran Donoghue Sen Academy Jun 2022
ENG FB 21 Austin Emens Sen Academy Apr 2024 for 2024/25
ENG WG 18 Tyler Offiah Senior Academy Apr 2024
ENG WG 19 Byron Lloyd-Gilmour Scholar August 2022
ENG WG/FB 20 Luke Graham Joined Jan 2023

Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 20th May)
Posted by: Comeonmylovers.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 08:19

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Edited 37 time(s). Last edit at 2024:06:11:19:53:42 by CoochieCoo.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 10:00

These young lads are confirmed CC (and very well done to them all).

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 10:20

22 senior forwards, 16 senior backs, and 5-6 viable Academy players. Thin at 9, loosehead, lock. Overstacked at backrow. Much as I'd like to see Arundell and Pearson here, I can't really believe that those positions are the priority.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 11:04

I think this is right

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 11:16

Interesting that there's so much depth at lock from the academy. Given FLW off after the RWC it feels like there must be a signing coming there.

As before, Pearson doesn't feel a priority. I absolutely think Arundell would work for us though, we lack pure gas and of our three wingers one of them is almost always injured at some point - plus it feels like good succession planning for RMac.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 12:46

Quote:
BathMatt53
These young lads are confirmed CC (and very well done to them all).
[www.bathrugby.com]

Thanks BM53 I am on duty at Lacock so will have a look later on.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 19:18

I'd be tempted to label Josh Bayliss as BR/WG!

... IMHO, of course.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: BucksBBandW (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 19:41

Quote:
hasta
Interesting that there's so much depth at lock from the academy. Given FLW off after the RWC it feels like there must be a signing coming there.
As before, Pearson doesn't feel a priority. I absolutely think Arundell would work for us though, we lack pure gas and of our three wingers one of them is almost always injured at some point - plus it feels like good succession planning for RMac.
Agree with all of that, hasta. Arundell, pacy, brings something different to the rest of the back three, supporter, makes a lot of sense. Given the whole back row have re-committed over the past season, that looks a really secure unit and lots of quality in there. Can we justify splashing out on Pearson? Surely if we're going to spend whatever's left of the cap on a forward, the priority is for another lock.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 20:40

Quote:
BucksBBandW
Quote:
hasta
Interesting that there's so much depth at lock from the academy. Given FLW off after the RWC it feels like there must be a signing coming there.
As before, Pearson doesn't feel a priority. I absolutely think Arundell would work for us though, we lack pure gas and of our three wingers one of them is almost always injured at some point - plus it feels like good succession planning for RMac.
Agree with all of that, hasta. Arundell, pacy, brings something different to the rest of the back three, supporter, makes a lot of sense. Given the whole back row have re-committed over the past season, that looks a really secure unit and lots of quality in there. Can we justify splashing out on Pearson? Surely if we're going to spend whatever's left of the cap on a forward, the priority is for another lock.

I think we're also a tad light at loose head, especially if Beno is going to be away with England. I know du Toit can play both sides but, if you sign one of the world's top tight heads, do you really want to be scenario planning to play him somewhere else?

If the last few seasons have taught us anything, its that scrimping on the front row is a recipe for disaster.

... IMHO, of course.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: BucksBBandW (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2023 21:36

Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
BucksBBandW
Quote:
hasta
Interesting that there's so much depth at lock from the academy. Given FLW off after the RWC it feels like there must be a signing coming there.
As before, Pearson doesn't feel a priority. I absolutely think Arundell would work for us though, we lack pure gas and of our three wingers one of them is almost always injured at some point - plus it feels like good succession planning for RMac.
Agree with all of that, hasta. Arundell, pacy, brings something different to the rest of the back three, supporter, makes a lot of sense. Given the whole back row have re-committed over the past season, that looks a really secure unit and lots of quality in there. Can we justify splashing out on Pearson? Surely if we're going to spend whatever's left of the cap on a forward, the priority is for another lock.

I think we're also a tad light at loose head, especially if Beno is going to be away with England. I know du Toit can play both sides but, if you sign one of the world's top tight heads, do you really want to be scenario planning to play him somewhere else?

If the last few seasons have taught us anything, its that scrimping on the front row is a recipe for disaster.
Fair point. Beno's not had the bets of luck with injuries either. Cordwell could have some work to do this season.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2023 10:46

Quote:
joethefanatic
I think we're also a tad light at loose head, especially if Beno is going to be away with England. I know du Toit can play both sides but, if you sign one of the world's top tight heads, do you really want to be scenario planning to play him somewhere else?

If the last few seasons have taught us anything, it’s that scrimping on the front row is a recipe for disaster.

Agree it could be an issue. However one of the reasons TDT has such a high value is his ability to play both sides. And if Beno isn’t available then TDT is our second best looshead.

I know I would much rather go into a game with
1. TDT 3. Stuart
17. Schoeman 18. Jonker

Then
1. Schoeman 3. Stuart
17. Cordwell 18. TDT

I also don’t see any Looseheads available for a good price outside of Gigena

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2023 17:54

Seems all over at Irish...

I think we are light at loosehead (gigena/goodridge-clarke?)

Lock- retain gj vv or get munster chap or munga?

Scrum half'- think white is unlikely so relying on tcs/ lock to step up.

Wing- i do think arundell makes sense at right price

Otherwise squad looks v strong on paper and other than still being a bit overloaded at backrow pretty well balanced

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 21/06/2023 15:08

Piece in the DT about how squads will look next season. Charlie Morgans suggestion of Bath 23:

15. Matt Gallagher
14. Joe Cokanasiga
13. Ollie Lawrence
12. Cameron Redpath
11. Will Muir
10. Finn Russell+
9. Ben Spencer

1. Beno Obano
2. Tom Dunn
3. Thomas du Toit+
4. Charlie Ewels
5. Quinn Roux
6. Ted Hill
7. Sam Underhill
8. Josh Bayliss

Replacements
16. Niall Annett, 17. Juan Schoeman, 18. Will Stuart, 19. Fergus Lee-Warner, 20. Miles Reid, 21. Louis Schreuder, 22. Orlando Bailey, 23. Max Ojomoh

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: JK7 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/06/2023 19:08

It's been edited now but Charlie Morgan had Juan Schoeman as a replacement prop for Bristol earlier. Had to check I hadn't missed something.

Exeter stands out as looking a bit like a shadow of what they were until very recently. Could have a tricky season ahead.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 21/06/2023 21:25

Agree JK7. I think Slade and Hawkins will be vital for them this season. Slade because he's one of the last few from the double winners and is now a senior player and leader? and Hawkins because both his size and skills will mean an added dimension at 12 for Chiefs and an extra edge to their sometimes blunt attack.

I honestly think you've one of the stand-out squads. As Morgan says probably the team that has done the best out of the unfortunate situation. I'm fascinated to see how Russell goes and also if you get a return from Barbeary.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 4 July)
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2023 02:31

As ever injuries are the concern. Let’s hope that under the new regime they will be minimised but we know they will have an effect. We could be vulnerable at PLH & centre. I guess the days of ever larger squads are a thing of the past & we just have to cope.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 4 July)
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2023 09:30

Quote:
Bath Hammer
We could be vulnerable at PLH & centre. I guess the days of ever larger squads are a thing of the past & we just have to cope.

PLH?

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 4 July)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2023 10:14

Quote:
shipwrecked
Quote:
Bath Hammer
We could be vulnerable at PLH & centre. I guess the days of ever larger squads are a thing of the past & we just have to cope.

PLH?
presumably
Prop - LooseHead

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 4 July)
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2023 10:23

Quote:
Which Tyler
Quote:
shipwrecked
Quote:
Bath Hammer
We could be vulnerable at PLH & centre. I guess the days of ever larger squads are a thing of the past & we just have to cope.

PLH?
presumably
Prop - LooseHead

Ok thanks, then to respond two points we have 6 fewer matches so more rest time for the front row which seems to be an area of attrition.
On the centre front to be honest I'd have no worries about putting Sam Harris at 13 or wing for that matter, he is super fast and a very crafty defender. On top of that the Offy actually lists him as a fly half, full back or centre. Perhaps someone else sees it like that as well?

Having said that I've never seen him play there.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2023 10:18

LI academy prop signed, plays both sides*
[www.bathrugby.com]


"both sides" in this case, seeming to mean 12xTHP, 1xLHP (that once, being against us in January 2023)
[all.rugby]

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2023 10:30

Quote:
Which Tyler
LI academy prop signed, plays both sides*
[www.bathrugby.com]


"both sides" in this case, seeming to mean 12xTHP, 1xLHP (that once, being against us in January 2023)
[all.rugby]

Does that mean much when he is so young WT? Not that I know anything about front rows but is it perhaps also a statement about versatility given TDT flexibility?

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: bathonian80 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2023 10:39

Very good signing

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2023 10:58

I've still not the slightest idea why some props are tight heads and some loose heads. Is it something to do with their ears? Perhaps they are asymmetric though it's clearly not visible. Any props on this board?

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2023 11:22

I (think that) I know the following about props:
1. Lefty-Loosie, Righty-Tighty
2. They get excited when I talk about feeding the ball into scrum, and I'm never 100% sure that they know it's just a phrase, and that they're not supposed to actually eat the damned thing.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2023 11:56

Quote:
shipwrecked
I've still not the slightest idea why some props are tight heads and some loose heads.

Just about where they practice (these days) due to the difference in technique at the scrum isn't it? Both would be expected to do the work around the field in the modern game. I wonder if its easier for a tighthead to cover loosehead than the other way around (i.e. the pure physical challenge of using both shoulders) although obviously someone like Beno isn't lacking in power anyway. Someone the size of Thomas du Toit can do whatever he likes I guess!

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2023 16:42

Am I right in saying that if a THP gets crocked in a game they have to be replaced like for like. Ie a LHP can’t play at TH unless he is familiar.
If so there must be a massive difference in technique between the sides!

I’d have thought any front row could cope.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2023 17:30

Quote:
bathonian80
Very good signing

Know much about him bathonian80?

Seems a low risk punt and probably a v decent player if involved in every round of u20s 6 nations last year.

Playing both sides a rare skill these days but as WT says sounds like he has largely played THP and as matt says largely where you practice that dictates where you end up.

Tdt seems an example of someone who can genuinely switch around- THP for sharks normally but LHP bench cover for boks at mo.

I remember flat's not enjoying trying to play THP and getting injured attempting it...

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: JK7 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2023 18:44

Quote:
shipwrecked
Am I right in saying that if a THP gets crocked in a game they have to be replaced like for like. Ie a LHP can’t play at TH unless he is familiar.
If so there must be a massive difference in technique between the sides!

I’d have thought any front row could cope.

Not sure I've seen that with props, Shipwrecked. Certainly seen it a few times where a prop is set to replace a hooker and the ref needs a bit of convincing that he isn't going to hurt himself. Nathan Catt once, I recall.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2023 12:21

On the Prop side discussion.

Most will have picked a side at a younger age and stuck with it. It may have just felt more comfortable or genuinely just got picked there. Just like why some locks only ever play 4 or 5 not both.

Each side has different roles in a scrum. Whether that be attacking or stabilising, preventing the wheel or going at the hooker. Certain skills complement each other hence why you see the longer a scrum plays together the more stable they become.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2023 12:45

Ok thanks so it seems there are no physical attributes that dictate tight or loose head. More habit.
So why are good tight heads more rare than loose heads?

Can you be too big for the front row? Most seem to be shorter in stature but is that just traditional?

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2023 15:08

You can be too tall sw - a strong squat player can bend an opponent with a long back.

That said, Andrew Sheridan, at 6’4 1/2 was an incredibly effective prop who could play both sides.

Usually the tighthead is the heavier & sometimes taller of the pair. He is expected to be strong enough to bear the greater amount of force going through his upper body in the srum.

The loosehead may be shorter, has to be able to scrummage straight without using his outer arm to pull down on his opponent or twist his opponent inwards.

PG

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2023 17:45

Was he an incredible prop or did he destroy a powderpuff Australian scrum a couple of times and surf by on that reputation?

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2023 19:42

He did a good job on an All Black scrum too.

PG

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2023 08:50

A few weeks into pre season and things seem rather quiet with a couple of loose ends not clarified.
Has JJ left? By all reports he has but not confirmed?. GJ Van Velze looks by his social media to have left and again nothing from the club (although he has been removed from the website squad). In recent times the club imo have communicated well. I hope this will continue.

adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2023 11:26

The silence seems to coincide with summer break & Lewis moving on, though there may still be loose ends to tie!

PH

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2023 15:58

JJ now confirmed off.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2023 16:26

[www.bathrugby.com]

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2023 20:04

Finally it has been acknowledged, JJ has been a favourite of mine, sad to see him go but wish him well in France, be good to see him back in some capacity in English rugby if he sees coaching as a career.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2023 20:45

I loved JJ in his heyday, just a wonderful player. Best of luck and get paid!

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Susanne (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2023 12:56

Quote:
hasta
I loved JJ in his heyday, just a wonderful player. Best of luck and get paid!

+1

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: BucksBBandW (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2023 17:37

Quote:
Susanne
Quote:
hasta
I loved JJ in his heyday, just a wonderful player. Best of luck and get paid!

+1

Just wanted to add my +1 to this too. I do wonder if JJ going could leave us light at OC when Lawrence is on international duty or if he's injured.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2023 18:39

I just don't see how have 3 specialists in one backs position can ever be considered "too light"
I know it's been proposed repeatedly that "only" having 7 centres meant we were already light there, before JJ was off, but... it just doesn't make sense to me.
Especially in comparison to... every other position on the pitch (eg, we've got 6 centres and 5 back-3 players; but need more back-3 players every week).
We've more centres than we have flankers; and I know for sure which position I consider to have the higher attrition rates.


As an aside - weren't we supposed to be finalising the squad a couple of weeks ago? Might this news allow us to actually do so (and "know" we've still got some space under the cap to pick 1-2 others up post-RWC)

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 20/07/2023 22:46

The 3 specialists I assume WT are lawrence, butt and wright.

For me it's less than the number of options and more the quality of them but that is probably the reality of where the cap is.

I hope hennessey leapfrogs the others into being Lawrence's back up by the end of next season tbh.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: BucksBBandW (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2023 09:59

Quote:
charlieboa
The 3 specialists I assume WT are lawrence, butt and wright.
For me it's less than the number of options and more the quality of them but that is probably the reality of where the cap is.

I hope hennessey leapfrogs the others into being Lawrence's back up by the end of next season tbh.

Exactly - it's not so much that we're light on numbers there but light on quality understudies for Lawrence.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2023 11:17

Quality concerns are fair, but yeah, that's baked in from pre-existing contracts, and a reality of a salary-capped environment.
If you want your back-up to be the same quality as the starter, then you either need to be talking a position with a lot of rotation, or you have to grow your back-up yourself (and hope they don't look to move on if they remain the back-up for too long)

It really doesn't meant that we "should" spend JJ's salary on a 7th centre, ahead of a 4th lock or 6th flanker (for me).

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2023 12:28

We have 15 backrowers listed on the offy plus 2 more into the academy (timmins/bennett), plus the likes of richards/flw/dingley who are more backrowers than locks in my mind. The 8s like coetzee have played almost as much on the flank (bayliss prob more on flank than 8?).

Feels plenty to me even with flw going in Nov. Would love to see more of richards/staddon/dingley etc this season.

Loosehead prop would be my priority to be honest (gigena still not picked up?) if we have any cap, then lock, then wing possibly.

At hooker and 9 we feel a bit light but if they trust stewart/spandler and TCS/lock then good luck to them.

Feels like there is huge reliance on tdt being fit and available to cover both sides at prop which makes me nervous given the injury records of beno and stuart in recent times.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2023 13:09

If you count the academy kids as all being valid options, then yeah, we've got plenty (also if you're looking at 3 positions rather than 2, which I was doing to draw a better equivalence).

Equally, centres jump from 6 to 9; and if you include non-specialists who can cover, then it's even more centres available.

Including academy kids, also brings the number of hookers up to 5, which is plenty - but realistically, it's 2 seniors and some academy kids (2 of whom are ready, I'll grant).
I will absolutely agree that we're short of hookers and scrum halves (and locks)

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: BucksBBandW (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2023 13:14

Fair point WT in the context of the cap. I agree, a lock would probably be better use of the money - someone with a bit of snarl about them, in the Attwood/Grewcock tradition, perhaps.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2023 13:17

Comfortable at prop WT?

Seems such a crucial position to me.

Lose tdt to call up/injury and leaves us with beno/schoeman and stuart/ jonker.

Still good but lose one more and the likes of cordwell and griffin come into play.

Half of me is excited by that and half of me thinks we need one more senior option if there is cap.

Very attritional position and key position to risk being slightly light....



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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2023 13:30

No, only madmen play prop

I'd like another, but for me it's not as high a priority at Hk, LK and SH - where we're into the academy / non-specialist with 1 single absence.

Again though, my point here is that I don't think we need to replace JJ with another centre - because we've got plenty.

If we take the theoretical that the internationals are away, and there 1 extra injury...
At centre, it means that we're playing 2 of Mojo, Francis, Butt.
At Prop it means we're playing 2 of Obano, Shoeman, Jonker.

At hooker it means we're into the academy
At scrum half it means we're into the academy
At Lock it means we're either playing a backrower or into the academy

When it comes to balancing a wider squad, I want a minimum of a match-day 23 + a spare bench full + extra cover for the internationals - for me, that's the minimum. We don't have that at 2, 4/5 and 9

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2023 13:34

Makes sense WT.

I can only assume they have huge trust in Stewart and TCS/lock, or that due to contract situations and cap we they just have to trust them.

Totally agree centre isn't a priority , I can think of 5 positions I would prioritise over centre personally

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 17:28

Squad to be confirmed on tik tok apparently

I think I will wait for the offy!

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: bathonian80 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 17:39

Tik Tok announcement. (Sm22)

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 17:42

Quote:
bathonian80
Tik Tok announcement. (Sm22)

Why funny?

If we want the game to grow it has to be through media fretted by youth. It’s a great idea.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: bathonian80 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 18:03

Cringeworthy decision.

Quote:
shipwrecked
Quote:
bathonian80
Tik Tok announcement. (Sm22)

Why funny?

If we want the game to grow it has to be through media fretted by youth. It’s a great idea.

Then by all means put it on Tiktok, AND elsewhere, at the same time.

To say nothing of the completely unwatchable video they did put up on Tiktok. 60 player photos cycled through in 10 seconds. Great.

It's like a bunch of adults trying to be cool and down with the kids.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 18:26

The squad is on the offy now.

PG

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 18:36

Quote:
shipwrecked
Quote:
bathonian80
Tik Tok announcement. (Sm22)

Why funny?

If we want the game to grow it has to be through media fretted by youth. It’s a great idea.
Yup, good to let the Chinese Government know these things first, huge untapped market…. ;-)

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 11 July)
Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 18:45

Guess that's that, no mention of G-J van Velze, I wonder what he's up to.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 18:48

Our version now checked and amended with the offy.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 19:10

I may well be reading too much into this but there are changes in designation on the iffy.

Sam Harris was FH, FB centre is now centre FH FB
Ewan Richards was SR BR is now SR
Will Butt was centre, wing now centre
Max Ojomoh and Cam Redpath dropped the FH tag and centre only.
Orlando Bailey dropped his FB tag.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: BathIron (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 20:11

This is a great squad mixing experience with new young talent.
Does anyone know how young Alfie Barbeary is progressing from his injury - It's been very quiet?

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 20:50

Let’s be honest, Mojo and Redpath were only FHs because we were short handed. The above list provides some clarity and I guess implies the squad is better depth balanced so we aren’t making do.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2023 21:04

Quote:
shipwrecked
I may well be reading too much into this but there are changes in designation on the iffy.
Sam Harris was FH, FB centre is now centre FH FB
Ewan Richards was SR BR is now SR
Will Butt was centre, wing now centre
Max Ojomoh and Cam Redpath dropped the FH tag and centre only.
Orlando Bailey dropped his FB tag.

SW
I think where a player covers more than one position, those positions are listed in alphabetical order.

PG

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2023 06:52

Quote:
P G Tips
Quote:
shipwrecked
I may well be reading too much into this but there are changes in designation on the iffy.
Sam Harris was FH, FB centre is now centre FH FB
Ewan Richards was SR BR is now SR
Will Butt was centre, wing now centre
Max Ojomoh and Cam Redpath dropped the FH tag and centre only.
Orlando Bailey dropped his FB tag.

SW
I think where a player covers more than one position, those positions are listed in alphabetical order.

PG

Think that's right pgt.

Flw in the article is listed as lock but backrow/lock on profile.

Squad looks good. 4 senior locks Inc flw who is leaving in Nov still feels light to me but would be good if richards is making the 23 often and cuckson gets the odd game.

Definitely areas were we are having to trust academy/academy grads but I don't have an issue with that. Do worry a bit about depth at prop- 3 class operators and not much beyond (and 2 have pretty bad injury records over recent times).

Tbf schoeman and cordwell have improved alot, I think griffin has a lot of potential and hoping the new coaches work their magic with jonker who on paper should be a solid back up

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2023 11:01

Quote:
P G Tips
Quote:
shipwrecked
I may well be reading too much into this but there are changes in designation on the iffy.
Sam Harris was FH, FB centre is now centre FH FB
Ewan Richards was SR BR is now SR
Will Butt was centre, wing now centre
Max Ojomoh and Cam Redpath dropped the FH tag and centre only.
Orlando Bailey dropped his FB tag.

SW
I think where a player covers more than one position, those positions are listed in alphabetical order.

PG

Perhaps I’m reading too much into this but there does seem to be more specificity of positions for players.
I just though that having had a season to see players in action JVG had decided on roles.
I saw Richards as a BR rather than lock but perhaps he has more bulk now.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2023 12:55

Could be based on need with richards SW?

Jvg may feel he needs him as a lock for the squad balance and richards may buy into it when looking at the relative competition for places at lock vs backrow?

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: FiveSticks (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2023 11:52

According to twitter, sorry, X !!?!?!, Ruaridh McConnochie has returned to Bath from the Scotland camp with an Achilles injury. No details of severity, but an Achilles would indicate a lengthy layoff.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2023 20:05

Finally had a chance to loos at this properly.
Good to see the academy graduates this year: Stewart, Richards, Merigan, Carr-Smith, Worboys and Goss.
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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: Rampant (IP Logged)
Date: 01/08/2023 08:21

I may have missed it, but when I read the Finn Russell interview in The Scotsman yesterday, he mentioned that he had a 3year contract at Bath.

Quote:
Scotsman
Russell, who has signed a deal to join Bath next season after five years in Paris with Racing 92, added: “I’ve got three years at Bath so that will take me not far away from the next World Cup and then I’ll see at that time.”

I remember the club not specifying length of contract when they announced his signing, so wondered if this was new news?

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/08/2023 08:35

Wasn't announced by the club Rampant but ties up wh earlier interviews where finn suggested it was a 3 year deal.

Makes sense as this pre season/season start impacted by rwc so 2 full seasons after to make his mark.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 01/08/2023 16:46

Quote:
Rampant
I may have missed it, but when I read the Finn Russell interview in The Scotsman yesterday, he mentioned that he had a 3year contract at Bath.
Quote:
Scotsman
Russell, who has signed a deal to join Bath next season after five years in Paris with Racing 92, added: “I’ve got three years at Bath so that will take me not far away from the next World Cup and then I’ll see at that time.”

I remember the club not specifying length of contract when they announced his signing, so wondered if this was new news?

It was announced on 18 Dec 2022 on this site and Ruck

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 05/08/2023 05:59

Just having a look at who's still unsigned from LIrish, and I see that Will Goodrick-Clarke is still a free-agent.
If we haven't already allocated JJ's space in the cap, might we find room for a 4th LHP?
Wouldn't even be coming to be 4th choice.

Josh Basham's the other name that stands out as unattached, but I think we're okay there.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 05/08/2023 10:07

I have been banging the goodrick-clark drum for a while.

Was in the England mix a few years ago and I really think we are a LH prop light.

Beno, schoeman, wg-c, cordwell would be a really strong set of options with tdt able to cover also if needed.

I think gigena still hasn't been picked up either?

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 26 July)
Posted by: Maeght (IP Logged)
Date: 05/08/2023 19:52

Quote:
charlieboa
I have been banging the goodrick-clark drum for a while.
Was in the England mix a few years ago and I really think we are a LH prop light.

Beno, schoeman, wg-c, cordwell would be a really strong set of options with tdt able to cover also if needed.

I think gigena still hasn't been picked up either?

Gigena has signed for Pau apparently.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 18 August)
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2023 11:15

Offy has just announced GJ van Velze for one more season:
[www.bathrugby.com]

PG

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 18 August)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2023 12:19

Great news.

If we had cap for goodrick-clark and the eng u18 hooker I would say our recruitment and retention has been superb given the salary cap situation.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 18 August)
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2023 12:48

Quote:
charlieboa
Great news.
If we had cap for goodrick-clark and the eng u18 hooker I would say our recruitment and retention has been superb given the salary cap situation.


WGC is off to Ealing last I heard and then Tuipolotu the Hooker is going Saracens. Think we will be fine at hooker Stewart been promoted to first team and spandler had a very good season last year with Uni.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 18 August)
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2023 12:58

Quote:
HK890
Quote:
charlieboa
Great news.
If we had cap for goodrick-clark and the eng u18 hooker I would say our recruitment and retention has been superb given the salary cap situation.


WGC is off to Ealing last I heard and then Tuipolotu the Hooker is going Saracens. Think we will be fine at hooker Stewart been promoted to first team and spandler had a very good season last year with Uni.

That's a shame, think we are light at lhp personally (totally appreciate cap means depth has to suffer in some areas of the squad).

Agree we are OK at hooker as long as Stewart has learnt to hit a barn door with his throwing. Combine the best bits of Stewart and spandler and you have a potential star. Sarries need is great.... only the 2 hookers in the eng squad- given tuilpolutu age I guess he will come into the mix when George retires maybe

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 18 August)
Posted by: Gaughers (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2023 17:34

On the official squad release it looks like Stewart is no longer on an academy contract

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 18 August)
Posted by: Gaughers (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2023 17:34

On the official squad release it looks like Stewart is no longer on an academy contract

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 18 August)
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2023 16:11

[www.somersetlive.co.uk] - The Cavalry are Coming!?

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 18 August)
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2023 19:51

Quote:
Mike the Taxi
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/other-sport/bath-rugby-set-announce-another-8763872 - The Cavalry are Coming!?

A "key figure at Rodney Parade since 2020," is not the most ringing of endorsements smiling smiley

... IMHO, of course.

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 4th April)
Posted by: Reccing Ball (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2024 17:02

Is there any way to reveal any more of the last column

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 4th April)
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2024 19:06

Quote:
Reccing Ball
Is there any way to reveal any more of the last column

Use the desk top version (link at the foot of the page)

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 13th May)
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2024 15:36

@CC, Jacque/s du Plessis appears twice in your list of forwards at the top of this thread...

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 13th May)
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2024 18:28

Thanks now corrected. Waiting for club final announcements for the new 24/25 squad

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 13th May)
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2024 18:28

Thanks now corrected. Waiting for club final announcements for the new 24/25 squad

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 20th May)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 25/06/2024 23:16

I'm pretty sure this is right (for now) for next term.
If anyone spots any errors, please let me know.
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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 20th May)
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2024 12:04

We are still looking at an enormous drop-off (not so much in quality, as in experience/confidence) from first-choice to second-choice half-backs ....

It just feels as though OB and Carr-Smith not getting game-time is a self-fulfilling and self-perpetuating situation that will bite us at some point.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 20th May)
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2024 12:46

Ojomoh's name spelled wrong WT!

Pack looks very strong. Backs look less so, particularly during international windows where we'll be missing Finn, Cam, Ollie and possibly Spenny. One more injury and we'd be in trouble.

That being said, I'm super excited to see more Sam Harris next season.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 20th May)
Posted by: boozeboozebooze (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2024 13:15

Loosehead is the only area where I feel we're a little vulnerable.

Replacing Schoeman with Van Wyk feels like a bit of a downgrade, and I think cements TdT as our 2nd choice LHP (even though he's far more effective at tighthead), would love Cordwell to kick on and move up the pecking order.

Griffin held his own last season, so I'm comfortable with him being relied on more and rotated with Stuart and TdT for the 3/18 shirt.

Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 20th May)
Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2024 13:55

Quote:
hasta
Ojomoh's name spelled wrong WT!

D'OH!

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Re: Bath Squad 2023/24 (updated 20th May)
Posted by: 9215 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2024 22:54

Quote:
hasta
Pack looks very strong. Backs look less so, particularly during international windows where we'll be missing Finn, Cam, Ollie and possibly Spenny. One more injury and we'd be in trouble.

How many prem games are we going to playing in international windows though? Feels like it shouldn’t be many, if any at all, with 10 teams and no RWC.

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