Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
By Devonport Boy
November 29 2023
How’s that for a historical fixture? Hold on, I hear you cry – Exeter Chiefs only won promotion to the Premiership in 2010. However, a delve into Bath Rugby’s history shows that the first game played at The Rec took place on 6th October 1894, with the opponents being Exeter. The Chronicle at the time reported “It was after 4 ere the game commenced before a fairly large crowd of spectators considering the sixpenny gate”. That’s 2.5p for those of you considerably younger than I am. Clearly the cost of tickets raised a few eyebrows in those days too!
If you take the M5, there’s about 98 miles between The Rec and Sandy Park. It’s a bit less if you follow the line of the old Roman Fosse Way, but it’s still too far in my view to be described as a “local derby”. It is however a mouth watering fixture between two West Country teams currently flying high in the Premiership, both of whom can play an attractive, flowing brand of rugby mixed with a pragmatic power-based game when necessary.
A much-rotated Bath Rugby lost narrowly away to Premiership leaders Sale in the last round. Exeter, fielding a starting lineup unchanged from the one point win against Gloucester, worked hard to overturn a 14-8 half time deficit to run out 14-20 winners at Kingston Park against a Newcastle side who are arguably playing better rugby than their zero wins from seven games played so far would suggest. That win lifted Exeter above Bath into third position in the table, but who will take most from last weekend?
A win’s a win and Exeter head coach Ali Hepher was rightly upbeat about it in his post-match interview With BBC Radio Devon, whilst acknowledging that there were elements of the game that needed working on. It’s probably fair to say that Exeter’s pack came up with the goods to turn the game around and JvG and his coaching team will be alive to that. Many of us felt that when Exeter came to the Rec on 26th March 23 at the back end of last season, they underestimated Bath and paid the price with a 36-19 loss. They won’t do that again.
Remember those days when it felt as if you could write the score from a trip to the
A J Bell before the game had happened? It’s a sign of the changing times at Bath that instead of being happy to come away with a losing bonus point, we could be forgiven for feeling a bit disappointed that the boys couldn’t quite get over the line for the win and bring home the four points. I think we all knew that with a huge home game this week and the start of the European campaign rapidly approaching, JvG would opt for some squad rotation, but I for one didn’t see quite that many changes with key players across the squad either being rested or starting from the bench.
Sale were almost fully “locked and loaded” and on past experience it should have been a fairly straightforward game for them. Except it wasn’t! Some commentators have compared this game unfavourably with the high scoring match taking place at Franklins Gardens but that’s not completely fair. Our game was absorbing but for different reasons. Having gone into half time with a slender but deserved 4 point lead, the boys in BB&W defended with real dog against a Sale side who threw everything including the kitchen sink at them. A huge tackle count and a number of critical turnovers by the likes of Will Butt kept the lead until George Ford kicked what would prove to be the winning penalty in the 73rd minute. You can’t give the likes of George Ford, or Henry Slade for that matter, kickable penalties at critical moments. So no, some things didn’t go quite to plan. The set pieces at the scrum and the lineout will have needed some work this week, but I’ll still take that. Not so much the score, but that performance by a rotated team who came very close to ending Sale’s run of wins at home says positive things about the coaching and the spirit in the Squad, so in the expectation that we’ll see the return of many of the players rested for Sale, I’m feeling good about this one.
The weather looks good for Saturday, currently predicted to be dry and cold. The newly relaid pitch which held up well in the game against the Bears has had another couple of weeks to bed down, so all in all I’m hoping for another game in which Finn can unleash our increasingly dangerous looking back division. Of course, that very much depends on whether we can establish parity, or even better, dominance against a very strong Exeter pack. The Chiefs will put us under pressure at times but on the basis of the evidence of last week at Sale, our defence coaches are giving the team the tools to deal with it.
Heading to the Rec with the expectation of a win rather than travelling in hope is a new feeling for many supporters and brings back fond memories for the slightly older ones amongst us. The score in 1894 was 22-0 to Bath. I don’t think it will be quite that, but with the Rec in full voice behind the team I think we’ll do it.
Last week showed how difficult it is to predict team selection, but I’d expect us to be as close to full strength as possible for this one. We’ll miss Fergus Lee-Warner, but maybe we’ll see the return of Elliott Stooke at some point. My guess (without knowing who may have picked up an injury last week) is something like this, but I recognise there’s plenty of room for debate about who should play, which is a great position to be in!
De Glanville, Cokonasiga, Lawrence, Ojomoh, Muir, Russell, Spencer, Obano, Dunn, Stuart, McNally, Ewels, Reid, Underhill, Barbeary.
Replacements: Annett, Schoeman, du Toit, Stooke, Coetzee, Gallagher, Redpath, Schreuder.
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Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2023 14:14
If there was a COML rugby title competition, this would win it by miles! 
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2023 15:49
According to Bank of England coverter 6d is worth about £2.60 now. Sounds like a bloomin' bargain.
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2023 16:06
Will the dumnonii be wearing woad I wonder?
And will they travel up the Fosse Way to get here?
PG
And will they travel up the Fosse Way to get here?
PG
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: Devonport Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 29/11/2023 16:39
Good question PG! I don’t know the answer I’m afraid. I’m a proud Devonian but I grew up the far west border territory where only the width of the Tamar separated us from those who put the jam on first. Exeter was always a bit of a mystery!
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 07:27
I will have my weekly stab at getting the 23 wildly wrong.
Think I would go:
Tdg, coko, lawrence, redpath, muir, finn, spencer
Beno, dunn, stuart, mcnally, ewels, reid, underhill, coetzee
Bench: schoeman , annett, griffin, stooke, barbeary, TCS, bailey, mojo
11 changes to starting xv.
Give tdt a rest as been pretty much ever present in the squad ( and prob the only player used every week) Needs looking after as a key player.
Would keep coetzees run at 8 going and continue to manage barbeary
Reward griffin for a decent showing off bench and make sure he has the bulk of stooke to help him. Think stooke has been training with us 2 was now so hopefully up to speed and been playing regularly at montpellier so must be in good nick. Assume roux still out.
Give TCS another go off the bench.
Tempting to also keep gjvv/ richards/ cloete/ butt involved from last week but can't please everyone!
Think I would go:
Tdg, coko, lawrence, redpath, muir, finn, spencer
Beno, dunn, stuart, mcnally, ewels, reid, underhill, coetzee
Bench: schoeman , annett, griffin, stooke, barbeary, TCS, bailey, mojo
11 changes to starting xv.
Give tdt a rest as been pretty much ever present in the squad ( and prob the only player used every week) Needs looking after as a key player.
Would keep coetzees run at 8 going and continue to manage barbeary
Reward griffin for a decent showing off bench and make sure he has the bulk of stooke to help him. Think stooke has been training with us 2 was now so hopefully up to speed and been playing regularly at montpellier so must be in good nick. Assume roux still out.
Give TCS another go off the bench.
Tempting to also keep gjvv/ richards/ cloete/ butt involved from last week but can't please everyone!
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 08:59
Wonder if with Cloete back fit, we go back to a 6-2 split on the bench?
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 09:07
Exeter will obviously target the weakness of our scrum and lineout, not sure what the coaches can do to counter this.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 09:21
Exeter have some monster porps, so although TdT probably due a rest, having him come on at tighthead in the second half could be really helpful.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 09:22
Across the league are we really THAT weak on scrum and lineout?
Of course, games v Sale and Leicester were decided by (questionable...) scrum penalties against us and our lineout has been far from perfect. But both have felt better than in recent seasons, although that could just be because we've won more games than in recent seasons.
Obviously, we'd like to be more consistent in the lineout and more dominant in the scrum, but I'd be interested to know where we are relative to other teams.
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Of course, games v Sale and Leicester were decided by (questionable...) scrum penalties against us and our lineout has been far from perfect. But both have felt better than in recent seasons, although that could just be because we've won more games than in recent seasons.
Obviously, we'd like to be more consistent in the lineout and more dominant in the scrum, but I'd be interested to know where we are relative to other teams.
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 09:29
Echo those calls for another 9 to be given a shot. Schreuder offers very little and is 33 - give TCS a shot...drop off can't be any more noticeable than it already is!
Hoping we go strong in this one but got a niggly feeling JvG is going to rotate Finn this week.
Hoping we go strong in this one but got a niggly feeling JvG is going to rotate Finn this week.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 09:33
In Orlando we trust.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: BucksBBandW (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 10:26
Interesting comments from Ugo Monye on the BBC Weekly pod this week, saying that he thinks Bath are one of only 2-3 teams in the Premiership who are real contenders. His words, Bath 'have everything', set piece, kicking game, defence, score tries. Not sure we would all completely agree with him on 'ere, but how long is it since a pundit could say that without getting laughed at.
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 10:53
Quote:Dorset Boy
Exeter have some monster porps, so although TdT probably due a rest, having him come on at tighthead in the second half could be really helpful.
Agree but next week its ulster and potentially kitschoff?
I would prioritise exeter over that personally and consider resting him from the euro games.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 10:55
Quote:dr.bath1865
Across the league are we really THAT weak on scrum and lineout?
Of course, games v Sale and Leicester were decided by (questionable...) scrum penalties against us and our lineout has been far from perfect. But both have felt better than in recent seasons, although that could just be because we've won more games than in recent seasons.
Obviously, we'd like to be more consistent in the lineout and more dominant in the scrum, but I'd be interested to know where we are relative to other teams.
I think the rugby paper had a table at weekend.
From memory we are 10th in lineout and 8th in scrum (or other way round).
Lineout is prsemubaly based on clean wins on own throw/ steals.
Scrum based on winning your own ball , against the head, getting a pen/conceding a pen.
The ranking seems to back up our feeling set piece is a major concern.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 11:14
Crumbs. Remarkable we're fourth given those stats!
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 11:42
Quote:dr.bath1865
Crumbs. Remarkable we're fourth given those stats!
Tbf it wouldn't take much to change position as all quite banked up together.
Encouraging really we can have a misfiring set piece and be top 4 as you say
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 11:44
Quote:dr.bath1865
Crumbs. Remarkable we're fourth given those stats!
Exactly, just think how good we could be if the set piece didn’t let us down every week. The backs must be really frustrated.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2023 12:50
Quote:dr.bath1865
Crumbs. Remarkable we're fourth given those stats!
It helps that we've stopped doing 'Big Box, Little Box' when trying to catch the ball! Better ball retention & less knock-ons!
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 12:02
Team Up. Stooke starts:
Starting XV: 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Elliott Stooke, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer, 10 Finn Russell, 11 Will Muir, 12 Cameron Redpath, 13 Max Ojomoh, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Matt Gallagher
Replacements: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Juan Schoeman, 18 Archie Griffin, 19 GJ van Velze, 20 Jaco Coetzee, 21 Tom Carr-Smith, 22 Sam Harris, 23 Will Butt
P G Tips
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Starting XV: 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Elliott Stooke, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Ben Spencer, 10 Finn Russell, 11 Will Muir, 12 Cameron Redpath, 13 Max Ojomoh, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 15 Matt Gallagher
Replacements: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Juan Schoeman, 18 Archie Griffin, 19 GJ van Velze, 20 Jaco Coetzee, 21 Tom Carr-Smith, 22 Sam Harris, 23 Will Butt
P G Tips
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 12:05
So no TdT or Lawrence - otherwise looks full strength. Will Butt selected over TdG on bench?
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 12:07
Chiefs;
15 Tommy Wyatt
14 Olly Woodburn
13 Henry Slade
12 Joe Hawkins
11 Ben Hammersley
10 Harvey Skinner
9 Stu Townsend
1 Nika Abuladze
2 Jack Yeandle
3 Josh Iosefa-Scott
4 Dafydd Jenkins (c)
5 Lewis Pearson
6 Ethan Roots
7 Jacques Vermeulen
8 Greg Fisilau
Replacements:
16 Max Norey
17 Alec Hepburn
18 Ehren Painter
19 Rusi Tuima
20 Aidon Davis
21 Niall Armstrong
22 Ollie Devoto
23 Rory O’Loughlin
15 Tommy Wyatt
14 Olly Woodburn
13 Henry Slade
12 Joe Hawkins
11 Ben Hammersley
10 Harvey Skinner
9 Stu Townsend
1 Nika Abuladze
2 Jack Yeandle
3 Josh Iosefa-Scott
4 Dafydd Jenkins (c)
5 Lewis Pearson
6 Ethan Roots
7 Jacques Vermeulen
8 Greg Fisilau
Replacements:
16 Max Norey
17 Alec Hepburn
18 Ehren Painter
19 Rusi Tuima
20 Aidon Davis
21 Niall Armstrong
22 Ollie Devoto
23 Rory O’Loughlin
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 12:09
Shame no Lawrence, but nice to see him get a rest and be properly managed off the back of a long WC. Mojo has been on great form, mind, so not the end of the world.
Other than that, great squad. Good to see some youth on the bench, and the XV is very strong. Weather looks good, so hopefully Spencer and Finn can boss it and it'd be lovely to go well up front, with Stooke storming about the place.
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Other than that, great squad. Good to see some youth on the bench, and the XV is very strong. Weather looks good, so hopefully Spencer and Finn can boss it and it'd be lovely to go well up front, with Stooke storming about the place.
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 12:13
Really like that squad- sensible to rest tdt and assume lawrence in need of a decent break.
Love that they keep trusting the likes of griffin, TCS and harris. They will only get better by playing in high profile games.
Exeter will cause us some problems in the last 25 with painter and tuima off the bench- big boys who are strong scrummagers.
Love that they keep trusting the likes of griffin, TCS and harris. They will only get better by playing in high profile games.
Exeter will cause us some problems in the last 25 with painter and tuima off the bench- big boys who are strong scrummagers.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 12:58
Match Officials
Referee: Tom Foley
Assistant Referees: John Meredith & Jonathan Healy
TMO: Dean Richards
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Referee: Tom Foley
Assistant Referees: John Meredith & Jonathan Healy
TMO: Dean Richards
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 13:22
Must be a reason they have swapped 12 and 13 around, I'd suggest it's to counter Joe Hawkins who is coming on in leaps and bounds!
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 13:30
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:dr.bath1865
Crumbs. Remarkable we're fourth given those stats!
Exactly, just think how good we could be if the set piece didn’t let us down every week. The backs must be really frustrated.
Does it really? From what I've seen there have been a couple of lineouts in the red zone that have been lost but nothing else of real significance. And a couple of critical scrum pens that were given against us that actually might just as easily gone our way
To me, it is more about stronger cohesiveness that will come in time rather than area for real concern
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Not Manichean (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 14:00
Thank heavens that we're underdogs again! COYC!
I think that this could be the match of the weekend. Enjoy the game and here's to an entertaining afternoon with no injuries or cards.
I think that this could be the match of the weekend. Enjoy the game and here's to an entertaining afternoon with no injuries or cards.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum
Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 14:24
Quote:shipwrecked
Must be a reason they have swapped 12 and 13 around, I'd suggest it's to counter Joe Hawkins who is coming on in leaps and bounds!
I think it's more because Redpath is an out-and-out 12, with Mojo having more pace. JVG said he'd come on hugely defensively so he was now 'trusted' (his words I think) to play 13.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 14:48
Quote:charlieboa
sensible to rest tdt and assume lawrence in need of a decent break.
Love that they keep trusting the likes of griffin, TCS and harris. They will only get better by playing in high profile game.
100% with you on this.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 14:59
Agree with the resting of Lawrence... but given how this season there are only maybe a dozen home games, I'd be lying if I didn't say I want to see a box office player like him (and TDT to a lesser extent) playing in as many of them as possible. Obviously, as I'd like us to win our home games, but more just to see a real rugby talent in person.
Anyhoo, guess I'd prefer to see Lawrence playing at Twickenham in June than tomorrow on the Rec.
In JvG we trust!
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Anyhoo, guess I'd prefer to see Lawrence playing at Twickenham in June than tomorrow on the Rec.
In JvG we trust!
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 15:23
5-3 split on both benches, some proper carrying forwards, Sam Harris could easily get some proper game time. Could be a high scoring belter of a thriller.
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 19:07
Great report....team selection looks fine.......I'd like to see Mr Lawrence every game........but then I am greedy
In JVG we trust
In JVG we trust
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 19:28
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
Great report....team selection looks fine.......I'd like to see Mr Lawrence every game........but then I am greedy
In JVG we trust
Personally I'm a bit concerned that we are resting TDT given the strength of the Chief's pack.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 20:56
I like our back row. The right shaped pegs in the right holes.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/12/2023 21:58
A bit of a digression but as an old fogie I don't do much on social media but today on twitter I posted a reply on a Bath fan thread saying how great it was to see Stooke back in the BBW. And the big man liked my reply. Might seem a bit weird for an old guy like me but I felt so chuffed that he made the time and effort to do that. Top banana
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 11:06
I personally will be saving my biggest cheer today for Stookie and fingers crossed for a big Home win.
I will also be showing appreciation for Tom Foley an official from our great city who has received vile abuse following the RWC. Here is hoping he has a warm reception in his home City and has a good game.
Going to be a cold one hope all wrap up well and have safe travels.
Come on Bath
I will also be showing appreciation for Tom Foley an official from our great city who has received vile abuse following the RWC. Here is hoping he has a warm reception in his home City and has a good game.
Going to be a cold one hope all wrap up well and have safe travels.
Come on Bath
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 11:13
Quote:gaz59
A bit of a digression but as an old fogie I don't do much on social media but today on twitter I posted a reply on a Bath fan thread saying how great it was to see Stooke back in the BBW. And the big man liked my reply. Might seem a bit weird for an old guy like me but I felt so chuffed that he made the time and effort to do that. Top banana
What you are describing Gaz is what people become addicted to.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 12:31
Quote:Ali1969
I personally will be saving my biggest cheer today for Stookie and fingers crossed for a big Home win.
I will also be showing appreciation for Tom Foley an official from our great city who has received vile abuse following the RWC. Here is hoping he has a warm reception in his home City and has a good game.
Going to be a cold one hope all wrap up well and have safe travels.
Come on Bath
We never have much luck with Foley, always on the wrong side of his decisions.
As an aside Bath is an absolute nightmare today due to the bloody Xmas market!!
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 13:17
Only memory I have of Foley is his officiating of Butt’s last minute winner v Tigers last year. Preceding the try, I’m sure he gave us a scrum penalty (potentially won by Cordwell), which Gallagher then thumped 55m into the corner by the weir.
I’d take the same today.
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I’d take the same today.
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: JK7 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 15:13
Foley must be on our side now, having had a couple of chunks taken out of his leg by Woodburn. C'mon Tom.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 15:43
Slade seems to doing a 'one man band' job for Exe!
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: JK7 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:17
Very frustrating this. Feels like we should be comfortably ahead but we've allowed two very soft tries to keep it close.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: 9215 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:23
Great bit of tactical post-hitting there
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: JK7 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:26
That's more like it! Well deserved breathing space.
Canny from Barbeary.
Canny from Barbeary.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: JK7 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:30
Loving this. So much confidence everywhere.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:35
6 tries!? Against the mighty Exe!?
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Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:39
Sam Underhill MoM.
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:42
Importantly set piece making some progress as well. I thought Will Stuart looked impressive as well. Very good all round performance from the entire 23.
What I really like is when we have a poor 10-15 minutes we don't let it get to us anymore.
What I really like is when we have a poor 10-15 minutes we don't let it get to us anymore.
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Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:44
Bonus point win v Exe!! Well done, Bath!
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:45
So clinical when Stu Townsend was in the bin - 21 points.
Had the handling been better in the first half it would have been close to 60.
41-24 FT
5 points for Bath, zilch for Exeter.
Generally a very good performance, front row, both starters and subs were rock solid.
And Tom Foley was very good too.
Had the handling been better in the first half it would have been close to 60.
41-24 FT
5 points for Bath, zilch for Exeter.
Generally a very good performance, front row, both starters and subs were rock solid.
And Tom Foley was very good too.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 16:54
I think we have to agree re rotation, JvG knows more than us!
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Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 17:12
Also our scrum was rock solid and won 2 pens. Great team game I thoroughly enjoyed it.
A very canny effort to turn the screw during the yellow card.
A very canny effort to turn the screw during the yellow card.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 17:24
Quote:Dorset Boy
And Tom Foley was very good too.
He was fine but I have no idea how exeter kept 15 men on the pitch til 60 mins.
Must have been a record for pens conceded in own 22 before a card! At minimum should have come a few mins earlier for the pen when they were scrambling within 10 yds of their line.
They were really smart exeter but not that smart!
I text a mate when Townsend went to the bin saying 'jugular time' and blimey we put them away- impressive!
A few wobbles at lineout but set piece generally v good against a team who have solid basics - thought exeter didn't do much wrong and it was still comfortable.
No fresh injuries from what I saw?
Thought underhill and barbeary were stand out with spencer and the centres not far behind. Hats of to front row- rock solid.
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 17:39
Quite amazing scoreline given how much we can still improve and the players injured/rotated. Hell of a squad we’re building.
Exciting to think about how good we might be if ever full strength (I know a rarity in our league) and Finn has had months rather than weeks with Blackett to shape our attack. For now, enjoy the win, the six try hammering-ish of a rival, and the fact we’re joint top.
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Exciting to think about how good we might be if ever full strength (I know a rarity in our league) and Finn has had months rather than weeks with Blackett to shape our attack. For now, enjoy the win, the six try hammering-ish of a rival, and the fact we’re joint top.
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 17:40
CharlieBoa - I do agree that the yellow should have come a few minutes earlier for cynically killing the ball on their line following one of our breaks, but tbf, that was really the only question over Foley's performance in my mind.
Light years beyond what Dickson is capable of.
Light years beyond what Dickson is capable of.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 17:45
Quote:Dorset Boy
CharlieBoa - I do agree that the yellow should have come a few minutes earlier for cynically killing the ball on their line following one of our breaks, but tbf, that was really the only question over Foley's performance in my mind.
Light years beyond what Dickson is capable of.
Agreed.
If a fan as one eyed as me is only moaning about one thing its a minor miracle
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 17:56
Anyone else get Cooper/Elvis vibes from the Spencer try?
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Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 17:56
I hardly noticed the ref - which means that he played a blinder.
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Posted by: Rokobilly (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 17:57
Enjoyable day out in the Dyson Stand. I thought at one stage we were going to get robbed as we left so many scores out there and Exeter were clinical every time they got near the 22.
The first two Exe tries were soft. First phase lineout moves through the middle. They will be on the big screen in Mondays debrief.
Other than that, lived it. Great to Stookey back. Spencer was excellent as per. Back row brilliant. Ewels deserves praise too - going about his business with real intent and no fuss. Loved Redpath's feet and Finn's passing..
We should have scored 60 but 40 will do.
Happy days.
The first two Exe tries were soft. First phase lineout moves through the middle. They will be on the big screen in Mondays debrief.
Other than that, lived it. Great to Stookey back. Spencer was excellent as per. Back row brilliant. Ewels deserves praise too - going about his business with real intent and no fuss. Loved Redpath's feet and Finn's passing..
We should have scored 60 but 40 will do.
Happy days.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:03
Redpaths feet great but mojo stepped someone in a phone box around the 14 min mark. Beautiful!
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:05
Quote:hasta
Anyone else get Cooper/Elvis vibes from the Spencer try?
Loved that try, clever from Spencer and Russell who took the defence and put them on totally the wrong foot as Spencer went blind. If Borthwick doesn't give him a go then you have to think BS must have damaged SB's tomato plants or something.
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:11
Just wondering how the game might have gone had Finn scored the pen instead of hitting the post and we scored from the subsequent scrum
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Posted by: Susanne (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:17
Quote:gaz59
Just wondering how the game might have gone had Finn scored the pen instead of hitting the post and we scored from the subsequent scrum
I was bemoaning his chilled (lackadaisical) attitude to kicking after that miss but maybe it was deliberate
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:27
Stooke excellent. Calmly dominated almost all of the restarts. Great to have him back.
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:40
The scrum was the best it's been all season. Barbeary's best game.
The joy of Finn is he attracts attention - which benefits Spencer in particular so much.
I watched Sam Harris specifically after he came on, really solid in defence and clearly intelligent on the pitch. It's not just giving the younger guys experience. It's giving them experience in a confident team.
JvG has been here less than 18 months. Yes he's had a little fortune and yes he's been well funded. But what a joy it is too watch Bath with expectation again.
The joy of Finn is he attracts attention - which benefits Spencer in particular so much.
I watched Sam Harris specifically after he came on, really solid in defence and clearly intelligent on the pitch. It's not just giving the younger guys experience. It's giving them experience in a confident team.
JvG has been here less than 18 months. Yes he's had a little fortune and yes he's been well funded. But what a joy it is too watch Bath with expectation again.
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:44
Agreed. May rugby in December. I’m pleased with that!
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:44
Quote:SusanneQuote:gaz59
Just wondering how the game might have gone had Finn scored the pen instead of hitting the post and we scored from the subsequent scrum
I was bemoaning his chilled (lackadaisical) attitude to kicking after that miss but maybe it was deliberate
You know, I really wouldn't put it past him
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:48
Quote:dr.bath1865
Stooke excellent. Calmly dominated almost all of the restarts. Great to have him back.
There is a big case for him as MoM. Nothing flash but everything he did in scrum, lineout and general play was very assured, strong and no errors
Will always be happy to see his name on the team sheet
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:51
Miles Reid too. When everyone's eyes are caught by Underhill and Barbeary, Reid is working
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Posted by: Rokobilly (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:52
Quote:gaz59Quote:SusanneQuote:gaz59
Just wondering how the game might have gone had Finn scored the pen instead of hitting the post and we scored from the subsequent scrum
I was bemoaning his chilled (lackadaisical) attitude to kicking after that miss but maybe it was deliberate
You know, I really wouldn't put it past him
Not sure if it was the queuebusters of Tribute, but Finn kicked that right in front of me and Underhill and co were looking very keen stood next to him. I had a feeling it might come back into play.
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Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 18:54
Really impressed with scrum. Exe fans I watched game with expected their sub props to do damage but didn't happen. Line out pretty good too. Breakdown first half excellent. Backs bit of a curate's egg but so much slicker than in seasons past. Passes fizzed out and good lines and dummy runners - great fun to watch. Defensively good as Exe looked sharp at times, albeit Townshend's try was soft as he was clearly twice released from tackles. My MOM probably Ben Spencer. OB, secretly agree with you re Xmas markets ; '60 sheds of sh1te' as a mate calls it but you sound like a real Scrooge for saying it!!
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 19:00
Quote:dr.bath1865
Stooke excellent. Calmly dominated almost all of the restarts. Great to have him back.
Very appropriate to be the Bath player to field the first kick off. Welcome back Stookey.
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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 19:13
I actually thought Finn had a mixed game. Line and goal kicking not great. Missed some tackles. Exe were really quick to get out of the line and shut him down when he drifted out the back.
But.
There’s few players in world rugby who I would rather have in the team because of his attitude. That strut, the carefree nature, the confidence/arrogance. I feel it’s infecting those around him and so whilst he’s not quite at his best individually, others are playing up as a result of him simply being there. Mojo and Redpath bursting with smiles and energy. Griffen and Harris off the bench and fitting right in. Spencer tapping quick pens and going from 80m to make himself tries. It’s not all Finn- but as I’ve said elsewhere his attitude is the opposite of Priestland’s “weight of Bath on his shoulders” approach, and it’s cranking every other player up a notch or two.
A guy like Stooke, a loud personality, team man, must love the new setup. Pretty awesome for him, with Wasps bust, he’s been to France and now back working with Blackett and Finn at Bath. Happy days.
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But.
There’s few players in world rugby who I would rather have in the team because of his attitude. That strut, the carefree nature, the confidence/arrogance. I feel it’s infecting those around him and so whilst he’s not quite at his best individually, others are playing up as a result of him simply being there. Mojo and Redpath bursting with smiles and energy. Griffen and Harris off the bench and fitting right in. Spencer tapping quick pens and going from 80m to make himself tries. It’s not all Finn- but as I’ve said elsewhere his attitude is the opposite of Priestland’s “weight of Bath on his shoulders” approach, and it’s cranking every other player up a notch or two.
A guy like Stooke, a loud personality, team man, must love the new setup. Pretty awesome for him, with Wasps bust, he’s been to France and now back working with Blackett and Finn at Bath. Happy days.
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 19:15
Stooke was indeed excellent. He looks a little leaner and fitter than before.
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Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 19:43
My God, it was cold, sat home now in the warmth reflecting on a satisfying afternoon, Bath were excellent outperforming a good Exeter team on a lovely pitch on one of those gorgeously wonderful dry winter days. Post match drinks never tasted so good. So pleased to see Elliott Stooke back in the blue, black and white. It doesn't get much better.
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 19:57
To me Finn brings much more than his rugby. He influences players and they play a level or two above their norm. There is no doubt that players like Max, Cam, Joe, and Will are benefitting from his game learning and achieving.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 19:59
Quote:Thats very true Hasta, in the England games he was sometimes exposed at full back facing a 2 on 1, he nearly always made the right decision, he waits inside forcing the pass then either hits the passer ruining the pass or is quick enough to tackle the man into touch. He's surprisingly strong as well.hasta
I watched Sam Harris specifically after he came on, really solid in defence and clearly intelligent on the pitch. It's not just giving the younger guys experience. It's giving them experience in a confident team.
He is a real challenger to Orlando, he can kick off the tee as well but isn't 100% reliable ..... yet.
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Posted by: Iane2103 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 20:39
A really good game - Bath players with smiles on their faces cracking jokes with one another it seemed. Elliot fitted right back in and a safe pair of hands. Underhill doing his thing dragging players of the line, making breaks and hard tackling. Russell all smiles no matter what. A great time to be a Bath supporter👍
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 20:43
Agree and all done without Ollie Lawrence who is on a beach somewhere!
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 20:53
Really impressed with the forwards today, looked solid for the whole game.
Obviously it’s easy to say this after a win, but the fun has come back watching Bath. Almost feels like Mike Ford’s 2015 team and it’s been a long time since we’ve got near to that.
Obviously it’s easy to say this after a win, but the fun has come back watching Bath. Almost feels like Mike Ford’s 2015 team and it’s been a long time since we’ve got near to that.
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 20:57
It's a good win without Ted Hill, without Ollie Lawrence, without FLW, without TdT. A really good performance, a really good sign.
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 21:36
Very happy with that performance. We've got a lot of players who are quietly going about their business very tidily. Ewels, Reid, Spencer, Ojomoh in particular. I do wonder how many will get a call up for the 6N. Underhill seems to have been rejuvenated after his England omission, playing like he has a point to prove.
As others have mentioned, how good is it to see young players managed properly. Gone are the days of them being chucked into the meat grinder to face a 60 point drilling.
Have to take your hat off to Baxter, rebuild seems to be going well. Thought Roots looked very good for them this afternoon, a real Baxter signing through and through. Looking forward to the return fixture.
As others have mentioned, how good is it to see young players managed properly. Gone are the days of them being chucked into the meat grinder to face a 60 point drilling.
Have to take your hat off to Baxter, rebuild seems to be going well. Thought Roots looked very good for them this afternoon, a real Baxter signing through and through. Looking forward to the return fixture.
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Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 22:14
We're definitely a different team these days... That period between 20-50 mins when we let Exeter back in; we'd have capitulated in the past. That we maintained the lead and even pulled away - without some of our more prominent leaders - is a credit to the team and the belief they have.
Stooke and Ewels looked like the partnership we could/should have had, the back row were immense and the backs definitely tried something more than hoofing the ball away.
Eagerly awaiting OM's 'Life of Brian'-esque critique of Underhill's performance: "What has Underhill ever done?"... ”Apart from the tackling"... "Okay apart from the tackling and the Jackalling at key moments"..."Okay, apart from the tackling and the Jackalling and the carrying and the work rate... What has Underhill ever done!?"
Stooke and Ewels looked like the partnership we could/should have had, the back row were immense and the backs definitely tried something more than hoofing the ball away.
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I do wonder how many will get a call up for the 6N. Underhill seems to have been rejuvenated after his England omission, playing like he has a point to prove.
Eagerly awaiting OM's 'Life of Brian'-esque critique of Underhill's performance: "What has Underhill ever done?"... ”Apart from the tackling"... "Okay apart from the tackling and the Jackalling at key moments"..."Okay, apart from the tackling and the Jackalling and the carrying and the work rate... What has Underhill ever done!?"
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Posted by: Rowancroft73 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 22:19
Hi Chiefs fan here,
This could be your year. I was going to say, about time , but I won’t!
In all seriousness, I was pleased that we stayed in the game for 60 mins but always felt that the last 20, irrespective of yellow card, would cost us given the relative bench strength.
Thought Redpath was superb and tho Finn’s reputation counts for a lot, it was enough despite him not having his best game. Ojomoh’s good isn’t he?!?!
Disappointed, but not surprised that Bath dominated the breakdown, but proud of our new team’s attitude and endeavour.
Chiefs 2.0 will take time but keep watching. We haven’t the cash your owner chucks around but it work before and 🤞it will again.
This could be your year. I was going to say, about time , but I won’t!
In all seriousness, I was pleased that we stayed in the game for 60 mins but always felt that the last 20, irrespective of yellow card, would cost us given the relative bench strength.
Thought Redpath was superb and tho Finn’s reputation counts for a lot, it was enough despite him not having his best game. Ojomoh’s good isn’t he?!?!
Disappointed, but not surprised that Bath dominated the breakdown, but proud of our new team’s attitude and endeavour.
Chiefs 2.0 will take time but keep watching. We haven’t the cash your owner chucks around but it work before and 🤞it will again.
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 22:25
Apart from our weird defensive lapses for both tries then I thought we were excellent.
Our attacking play showed real imagination and that is a sentence we never thought we would hear last year.
- The Redpath try included some passes that we would never have tried last year; both Reid and Ojo threw passes out the back of their hands.
- The Spencer try was so simple in execution but involved a great feint from Finn, who is so heavily marked that he makes space for others, and then the timing of the passes was superb between Spencer and Joe C.
- Barbeary gives that additional carrying threat that we have missed for years .
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Our attacking play showed real imagination and that is a sentence we never thought we would hear last year.
- The Redpath try included some passes that we would never have tried last year; both Reid and Ojo threw passes out the back of their hands.
- The Spencer try was so simple in execution but involved a great feint from Finn, who is so heavily marked that he makes space for others, and then the timing of the passes was superb between Spencer and Joe C.
- Barbeary gives that additional carrying threat that we have missed for years .
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Posted by: Currychef (IP Logged)
Date: 02/12/2023 22:43
Barbeary must be the next England number 8. His enthusiasm and passion was infectious.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 00:32
Just watched the game. Exeter are a good side and it was a very good game of rugby. But I never thought we'd lose and I could not have honestly said that at any time over the last 5 years. I haven't seen us play a full match with intelligence and control for a very long time but I saw it today. The last piece of the jigsaw is doing it over and over again consistently but that performance says to me that we are now genuine contenders to win the Prem. Which is a slightly unnerving feeling.
My MotM - Alfie. We haven't had carrying like that since Nathan but now its part of a complete team approach instead of just all we have to offer. It's also from a guy with a bubble perm, a *very* dodgy 'tache and a boatload of attitude which should really irritate the opposition going forward. I hope Borthwick wasn't watching.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
My MotM - Alfie. We haven't had carrying like that since Nathan but now its part of a complete team approach instead of just all we have to offer. It's also from a guy with a bubble perm, a *very* dodgy 'tache and a boatload of attitude which should really irritate the opposition going forward. I hope Borthwick wasn't watching.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 01:11
Like a hefty version of Bobby Ball.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 05:44
I was impressed with both teams.
Exeter look like they have nice balance to their game and are v savvy for a young team.
Defensively they were at times excellent inc in the maul where we were made to work incredibly hard for any success..
Hawkins and slade are nice to watch and Jenkins will be amazing.
The fact we comfortably won despite making a fair few mistakes/ not ramming home our advantage til last 20 is encouraging. Feels like someone may get a proper hammering if one day it all comes together.
I fear we may face lots of eng call ups (could make a not absurd case for about 10 players!) but hard to second guess england selection and at least less/no fixture clashes now.
Roll on ulster- kitschoff vs Thomas the tank!?
Next league games are quins home, leic away, glos home. Would be hopeful of getting something out of all those. Please don't send the seconds to leic, that is v winnable (would rather we rest several for Cardiff personally a fortnight before or take our chances without a few frontliners vs glos)
Exeter look like they have nice balance to their game and are v savvy for a young team.
Defensively they were at times excellent inc in the maul where we were made to work incredibly hard for any success..
Hawkins and slade are nice to watch and Jenkins will be amazing.
The fact we comfortably won despite making a fair few mistakes/ not ramming home our advantage til last 20 is encouraging. Feels like someone may get a proper hammering if one day it all comes together.
I fear we may face lots of eng call ups (could make a not absurd case for about 10 players!) but hard to second guess england selection and at least less/no fixture clashes now.
Roll on ulster- kitschoff vs Thomas the tank!?
Next league games are quins home, leic away, glos home. Would be hopeful of getting something out of all those. Please don't send the seconds to leic, that is v winnable (would rather we rest several for Cardiff personally a fortnight before or take our chances without a few frontliners vs glos)
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 06:00
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:Thats very true Hasta, in the England games he was sometimes exposed at full back facing a 2 on 1, he nearly always made the right decision, he waits inside forcing the pass then either hits the passer ruining the pass or is quick enough to tackle the man into touch. He's surprisingly strong as well.hasta
I watched Sam Harris specifically after he came on, really solid in defence and clearly intelligent on the pitch. It's not just giving the younger guys experience. It's giving them experience in a confident team.
He is a real challenger to Orlando, he can kick off the tee as well but isn't 100% reliable ..... yet.
He is v exciting, everytime I watch him I pray he gets some ball. Even in that cameo yest he looked classy.
Can play 10,12 and 15.
I would be v tempted to give him a few starts while we have a low injury count and confidence is high, whether that is at 15 or in the inside backs.
Probably 15 but think he would be fine at 10 between spencer and redpath with Ben goalkicking. I love landy so maybe 15 as landy deserves some chances with tailwinds after playing admirably in a backfoot , injury ravaged team for 2 years.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 07:15
Quote:charlieboa
.. Landy deserves some chances with tailwinds after playing admirably in a backfoot , injury ravaged team for 2 years.
Absolutely this.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 08:23
Quote:TomReagan
Like a hefty version of Bobby Ball.
You'd hope Barbeary's nickname is "Scouse".
... IMHO, of course.
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 10:14
Quote:charlieboa
I was impressed with both teams.
Exeter look like they have nice balance to their game and are v savvy for a young team.
Defensively they were at times excellent inc in the maul where we were made to work incredibly hard for any success..
Hawkins and slade are nice to watch and Jenkins will be amazing.
Agree with this is Exeter in rebuild mode, we saw yesterday some outstanding back rows, Underhill the best of them but Barbeary was close behind and Miles Reid does much of the work to allow SU and AB to excel but I was seriously impressed by Ethan Roots. Was good at Ospreys but better at Exeter, shame he is a Kiwi.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 10:48
Quote:Dorset Boy
Stooke was indeed excellent. He looks a little leaner and fitter than before.
Shame he is only with us on a medical joker contract and seems we have Snyman lined up for the beefy second row. Would be very happy to retain him for next year
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 10:57
Elliott Stooke has just turned 30 so still has much to offer and I would like that to be with Bath Rugby. I would imagine he is on the radar of a few clubs for next season.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 11:02
Agree FA, sure we are v open to trying to keep him.
If we are offloading 2nd rows then mcnally (34 by next season), roux (recently turned 33), and gj vv (36 by next season?) may be at more risk if off contract.
Wouldn't write them off based on age but not great injury records in recent times which doesn't often reverse in your mid 30s ( catty and other notable exceptions)...and stooke is a few years younger at 30 and a great option at 4,5 and 6.
If we are offloading 2nd rows then mcnally (34 by next season), roux (recently turned 33), and gj vv (36 by next season?) may be at more risk if off contract.
Wouldn't write them off based on age but not great injury records in recent times which doesn't often reverse in your mid 30s ( catty and other notable exceptions)...and stooke is a few years younger at 30 and a great option at 4,5 and 6.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 11:36
My son in law, who has been a season ticket holder for 3 or 4 years says that is the best he has seen from Bath at the Rec in that time.
Hard to disagree.
PG
Hard to disagree.
PG
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 12:01
Looking at the Butt try that was a miracle piece of work by Gallagher to pick up the fading ball at full stretch and put the kick in. Brilliantly picked up off the floor then finished by Muir and Butt. Not possible without a knock on a year ago. Quality handling.
Worth checking out Joe C, full credit to him for leaving his wing to track the opposite wing but if he is going to do that should he be jogging over there? I just wish he was more dynamic and positive. I don't get it.
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Worth checking out Joe C, full credit to him for leaving his wing to track the opposite wing but if he is going to do that should he be jogging over there? I just wish he was more dynamic and positive. I don't get it.
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: clalan (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 13:30
Just dropping in to say well done on your win, took you till we were down to 14 to make us stop being a thorn in your side, great exploitation on the yellow card, not sure a few years back you would of capitalised on the advantage so smoothly.
We will get better and I hope we can reverse this on your visit to us ( one can dream lol ).
All the best in Europe, and your players can stay fit.
We will get better and I hope we can reverse this on your visit to us ( one can dream lol ).
All the best in Europe, and your players can stay fit.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 18:47
Quote:shipwrecked
Looking at the Butt try that was a miracle piece of work by Gallagher to pick up the fading ball at full stretch and put the kick in. Brilliantly picked up off the floor then finished by Muir and Butt. Not possible without a knock on a year ago. Quality handling.
That and the Max Ojomoh pass out wide in the build up to the Redpath try was just sublime brilliance
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: bathonian80 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/12/2023 22:53
The scoreline massively flattered Chiefs, and that was without our two best players. We were totally dominant and left a few more tries out there.
If we cut out our habit of shooting ourselves in the foot we'll do very well this season.
If we cut out our habit of shooting ourselves in the foot we'll do very well this season.
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2023 08:16
Quote:bathonian80
The scoreline massively flattered Chiefs, and that was without our two best players. We were totally dominant and left a few more tries out there.
If we cut out our habit of shooting ourselves in the foot we'll do very well this season.
I would have said 3 best player BO: du Toit, Ted Hill and Ollie L would be in my first 15. I watched it back and agree that Exeter didn't show much, what they got was Bath switching off and the score difference could have been greater. Excellent to get another win though.
4 points between 1st and 6th after 8 games is crazy, what a competitive prem season thus far for nearly all teams - bar Gloucester who look awful and Newcastle who are massively out of their depth in this league. Sadly Alex Codling looked a broken man in his interview at the end of this weeks game.
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2023 08:46
Its clear to me that everyone on 'ere are overrating Underhill, Barbeary, Spencer and Stooke.
They really are not England standard and on no account should Steve Borthwick consider them for England, he really does need to look elsewhere
They really are not England standard and on no account should Steve Borthwick consider them for England, he really does need to look elsewhere
Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2023 09:21
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
Its clear to me that everyone on 'ere are overrating Underhill, Barbeary, Spencer and Stooke.
They really are not England standard and on no account should Steve Borthwick consider them for England, he really does need to look elsewhere
Agree BSJ, all total rubbish they will have to stay in Bath and we will be charitable and give them games...
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Re: Aquae Sulis vs Isca Dumnoniorum. Team Up! Stooke Returns
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 04/12/2023 09:24
I'm reminded of a clip from star wars: OB1 to stormtroopers Steve Borthwick "these are not the droids forwards you are looking for" ............ "Go on about your business"
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