Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Happier times
By Devonport Boy
December 26 2023
The words of Robert Burns will be sung in millions of households at midnight on December 31st but before that there is the small matter of two famousold rugby teams renewing their acquaintance atMattioli Woods Welford Road that afternoon, not that we need much re-acquainting; we’ve been close rivals for well over a century!
I know I’ve said it before but whilst the media make a great deal of local derbys, the Bath vs Tigers fixture has always been one that supporters of both teams (well, those of us of a certain age anyway!) regard as probably the most important of the season. For many of us these matches are a real yardstick of how good we are. There’ve been so many great matches over the years. The 47 -10 win at the Rec in the Premiership semi-final in 2015 is one that always crops up when reminiscing about these games, but arguably the 19-18 win on 11 November 22 was more important and could be regarded as something of a turning point. The noise at the Rec when Will Butt scored that try on around 81 minutes was simply incredible!
Enough of the history. What can we look forward to on Saturday? Bath go into this game at the top of the Premiership (it’s been a long time since we could say that) and are playing some of the most entertaining rugby that we’ve seen for years. The Cardiff game a couple of weeks ago was almost a case of “back to the future” – remember the days when the Bath mantra was “it doesn’t matter how many you score, we’ll score more”? Last week against Quins underlined the strength in depth across the current team. I spoke to a number of the visiting supporters before the match and they were all confident that (a) the Rec would be a swamp which would disintegrate almost immediately, (b) that Messrs Marler & co would dominate our pack, (c) that Danny Care and Marcus Smith would run rings around Ben Spencer and Finn Russell. That’ll be wrong on three out of three counts then!
The “stitching” together with some superb work by the ground staff has transformed the Rec pitch which now holds up early well even in atrocious weather. The pack can hold its own with anybody these days and dominate later in the game. At one point in the second half, Joe Marler (who as always had played his heart out) was in front of us with his hands on his knees, clearly knackered. Well, you have to deal with Beno Oban, Niall Annett and Thomas du Toit for 50 or so minutes and then Will Stuart, Tom Dunn and Juan Schoeman take their tracksuits off! That’s got to be demoralising. Finn and Ben both did their thing and did it well – what a partnership that’s developing into, although we could have done without the sight of Ben holding his hamstring late in the game. Hopefully it’s nothing serious. There were great performances all over the pitch, but how brilliant was it to see Joe Cokanasigarunning hard at and straight over defences? The sight of Joe and Will Muir in full flight alone are worth the trip to the Rec.
JvG has always maintained that making Bath hard to beat is a key priority, and that’s happening, with our losses being by small margins especially in comparison with previous seasons. But let’s not forget that one of those losses was to Tigers at the Rec a short while ago. Yes, the concession of a last minute scrum penalty following a dropped restart was an unlucky set of circumstances, but you make your own luck and it re-emphasised what most of us knew from years of watching – Tigers have got “dog” and will fight for the full 80 minutes. If we want to beat them at their home then we’ve got to do the same. Tigers come into this game in 8th place in the table on the back of a 29-10 defeat away at Exeter whilst we’re defending our position at the top of the Premiership. But it’s in the nature of these games over the years that table position means very little once the whistle goes. Leicester will fancy this one in front of a huge home crowd and they will come at us with all the ferocity of the Tigers of old. We’ll need to deal with that and make the most of every opportunity that comes our way. I think we’ll win, but it’s going to be close.
As other reviewers have said, it’s very difficult to predict JvG’s selections. I’ve got a feeling that he may rotate a number of players for this one. Some of those decisions may be injuries; I hope Ben’s OK but Alfie Barbearylooked in a lot of pain after he went off on Saturday. That said, I hope we maintain a strong core of experience and “grunt” for this one. I’ll leave it to some of our braver contributors to stick their necks out and try to predict the team!
It’s great as a supporter to come to the end of the year and be able to reflect on the season so far and the “train journey” from where we were at this time last year to the top of the Premiership and two wins from two in our pool in the Champions Cup. There’s a long way to go yet, but we now know that we can, and will, be competitive at the highest levels and that’s a fantastic feeling. We’re all very tribal as supporters but rugby is imbued with a generosity of spirit which means that particularly at his time of year we can also spare a thought for our fellow rugby supporters who no longer have a team to followand wish better days for them.
Happy New Year to Bath Rugby and all of us supporters. Not just for “Auld Land Syne” but for what’s to come!
COYB!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 15:23
Thanks for the preview Devonport Boy, a good read. I hope that we Tigers are a lot more switched than we were at Exeter. I watched your win v Quins and there’s a lot to admire about your defence this season. Congratulations on being on top of the pile again.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 16:03
Great bread DB thanks.
Full steam ahead please, whatever the team.
Hopefully, in terms of train journey, we will be travelling First Class at the season's end!
Meanwhile, let us hope the BBW can give us a second weekend of celebration!
PG
Full steam ahead please, whatever the team.
Hopefully, in terms of train journey, we will be travelling First Class at the season's end!
Meanwhile, let us hope the BBW can give us a second weekend of celebration!
PG
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 17:43
Was unaware that Devonport Boy was a baker as well as a preview writer, so many skills on this site.
I've had a stab at a team, not a particular strength but its open for discussion clearly!
1 Thomas du Toit
2 John Stewart
3 Johannes Jonker
4 Charlie Ewels
5 Quinn Roux
6 GJ van Velze ©
7 Chris Cloete
8 Jaco Coetzee
09 Ben Spencer
10 Orlando Bailey
11 Will Muir
12 Will Butt
13 Ollie Lawrence
14 Matt Gallagher
15 Tom de Glanville
16 Tom Dunn
17 Juan Schoeman
18 Will Stuart
19 Elliot Stooke
20 Miles Reid
21 Tom Carr Smith
22 Finn Russell
23 Cam Redpath
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
I've had a stab at a team, not a particular strength but its open for discussion clearly!
1 Thomas du Toit
2 John Stewart
3 Johannes Jonker
4 Charlie Ewels
5 Quinn Roux
6 GJ van Velze ©
7 Chris Cloete
8 Jaco Coetzee
09 Ben Spencer
10 Orlando Bailey
11 Will Muir
12 Will Butt
13 Ollie Lawrence
14 Matt Gallagher
15 Tom de Glanville
16 Tom Dunn
17 Juan Schoeman
18 Will Stuart
19 Elliot Stooke
20 Miles Reid
21 Tom Carr Smith
22 Finn Russell
23 Cam Redpath
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 18:37
Very very tough side to predict, and I imagine a very tough game for JVG. This is the game to rotate when looking at upcoming fixtures especially being away.
However with tigers performing well below par this is a chance to get a really good away win. I think either way there are a few players for this game that for differing reasons need to be in the starting team - Stooke, Coetzee, Bailey, Muir, Cokanasiga
Underhill also not wearing a boot today so take of that what you will
My team
1. Schoeman
2. Dunn
3. TDT
4. Roux
5. Stooke
6. Van Velze
7. Bayliss (If not Cloete)
8. Coetzee
9. TCS
10. Bailey
11. Muir
12. Ojomoh
13. Redpath
14. Cokanasiga
15. TDG
16. Stewart
17. Cordwell
18. Griffin
19. Ewels
20. Richards
21. Spencer
22. Butt
23. Barbs
However with tigers performing well below par this is a chance to get a really good away win. I think either way there are a few players for this game that for differing reasons need to be in the starting team - Stooke, Coetzee, Bailey, Muir, Cokanasiga
Underhill also not wearing a boot today so take of that what you will
My team
1. Schoeman
2. Dunn
3. TDT
4. Roux
5. Stooke
6. Van Velze
7. Bayliss (If not Cloete)
8. Coetzee
9. TCS
10. Bailey
11. Muir
12. Ojomoh
13. Redpath
14. Cokanasiga
15. TDG
16. Stewart
17. Cordwell
18. Griffin
19. Ewels
20. Richards
21. Spencer
22. Butt
23. Barbs
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 19:02
Oddschecker has Bath favourites at 1/2ish and Tigers at 2/1ish. This may change when selections are announced. Feels odd but justified to be favourites for an away fixture at Welford Rd. COYB!
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 19:05
I have absolutely no idea what kind of 23 they will go with.
Below is a bit of a hybrid of what I would do and what I think they may do.
Schoeman
Stewart
Stuart
Roux
Stooke
Gj vv
Cloete
Coetzee
Schreuder
Russell
Muir
Redpath
Lawrence
Coko
Tdg
Bench: annett, du toit, griffin, mcnally, TCS, bailey, richards.
Give beno, dunn, ewels, reid, alfie, spencer a rest with a view to winning against glos and in Europe a week later. All played a hell of a lot of rugby in the last 2-3 months. 6:2 bench split.
I would personally rest and rotate slightly less than that and go with something v strong- have 1 or 2 of those guys I have down for a rest at least on the bench. Love loaded benches !
Stewart in as rumour he will be in 23 and if so would rather he started and we have a solid bench option.
Would be a massive bonus if underhill was available- would throw him into the xv if fully fit. Sounds like bayliss may be more like mid Jan.
Below is a bit of a hybrid of what I would do and what I think they may do.
Schoeman
Stewart
Stuart
Roux
Stooke
Gj vv
Cloete
Coetzee
Schreuder
Russell
Muir
Redpath
Lawrence
Coko
Tdg
Bench: annett, du toit, griffin, mcnally, TCS, bailey, richards.
Give beno, dunn, ewels, reid, alfie, spencer a rest with a view to winning against glos and in Europe a week later. All played a hell of a lot of rugby in the last 2-3 months. 6:2 bench split.
I would personally rest and rotate slightly less than that and go with something v strong- have 1 or 2 of those guys I have down for a rest at least on the bench. Love loaded benches !
Stewart in as rumour he will be in 23 and if so would rather he started and we have a solid bench option.
Would be a massive bonus if underhill was available- would throw him into the xv if fully fit. Sounds like bayliss may be more like mid Jan.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 19:57
I’d like to see Russell, Spencer, Barbeary, Coetzee, Coko, Stooke, Lawrence and Muir given a rest so they’re refreshed for our next 2 home games.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 20:09
Got to feel that this is one of Cloete’s last chance at both competition for the Backrow and contract long-term. Just seems as though him and Tonks will just be unnecessary.
It is tough for Cloete as he’s probably painted a bad picture now for refs so more likely to get on the wrong side of 50/50 calls. I don’t think coaches will mind those calls against him as he’s going for it, it’s the sprinting out the line to allow a try or missing a tackle on a 9 that you would just expect better.
It is tough for Cloete as he’s probably painted a bad picture now for refs so more likely to get on the wrong side of 50/50 calls. I don’t think coaches will mind those calls against him as he’s going for it, it’s the sprinting out the line to allow a try or missing a tackle on a 9 that you would just expect better.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 20:24
Quote:HK890
Got to feel that this is one of Cloete’s last chance at both competition for the Backrow and contract long-term. Just seems as though him and Tonks will just be unnecessary.
It is tough for Cloete as he’s probably painted a bad picture now for refs so more likely to get on the wrong side of 50/50 calls. I don’t think coaches will mind those calls against him as he’s going for it, it’s the sprinting out the line to allow a try or missing a tackle on a 9 that you would just expect better.
I think we have to remember he is nearly 33, he may just have lost a bit of pace so is compensating by going early. He may need to rethink his game.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 20:57
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:HK890
Got to feel that this is one of Cloete’s last chance at both competition for the Backrow and contract long-term. Just seems as though him and Tonks will just be unnecessary.
It is tough for Cloete as he’s probably painted a bad picture now for refs so more likely to get on the wrong side of 50/50 calls. I don’t think coaches will mind those calls against him as he’s going for it, it’s the sprinting out the line to allow a try or missing a tackle on a 9 that you would just expect better.
I think we have to remember he is nearly 33, he may just have lost a bit of pace so is compensating by going early. He may need to rethink his game.
Agreed he has lost the pace, however it was only 2021 when he won the turnover king award. Can see Bayliss quickly overtaking him once fit, he was one of our best hecklers last season miles ahead of Cloete.
Fustrating as having a Will Evans type player available even if not first choice can be vital for some games. Probably one of the only JVG transfers to have not worked.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: makeitagem (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 21:01
Quote:Clarkey3k
Oddschecker has Bath favourites at 1/2ish and Tigers at 2/1ish. This may change when selections are announced. Feels odd but justified to be favourites for an away fixture at Welford Rd. COYB!
Leicester are favourites @ 8/13, Bath 15/8.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 21:23
Quote:HK890
Agreed he has lost the pace, however it was only 2021 when he won the turnover king award. Can see Bayliss quickly overtaking him once fit, he was one of our best hecklers last season miles ahead of Cloete.
The ability to debate loudly in midfield is yes another skill brought to the club by JvG, his attention to detail is excellent.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 21:48
Quote:makeitagemQuote:Clarkey3k
Oddschecker has Bath favourites at 1/2ish and Tigers at 2/1ish. This may change when selections are announced. Feels odd but justified to be favourites for an away fixture at Welford Rd. COYB!
Leicester are favourites @ 8/13, Bath 15/8.
So they are, I'll get my coat...
Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 26/12/2023 22:47
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:HK890
Agreed he has lost the pace, however it was only 2021 when he won the turnover king award. Can see Bayliss quickly overtaking him once fit, he was one of our best hecklers last season miles ahead of Cloete.
The ability to debate loudly in midfield is yes another skill brought to the club by JvG, his attention to detail is excellent.
This made me chuckle
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 11:02
Me also!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 11:06
I'm still thinking full rotation with the senior players given the week off at home.
Harris
TdG
Hennassey
Ojomoh
Butt
Bailey
Schroeder
TdT
Annett
Griffin
McNally
Roux
V Velze
Cloete
Coetzee
Summerfield
Stewart
Jonker
Tonks
Merrigan
TCS
Warboys
Wright
adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
Harris
TdG
Hennassey
Ojomoh
Butt
Bailey
Schroeder
TdT
Annett
Griffin
McNally
Roux
V Velze
Cloete
Coetzee
Summerfield
Stewart
Jonker
Tonks
Merrigan
TCS
Warboys
Wright
adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 12:02
Quote:copester
I'm still thinking full rotation with the senior players given the week off at home.
Harris
TdG
Hennassey
Ojomoh
Butt
Bailey
Schroeder
TdT
Annett
Griffin
McNally
Roux
V Velze
Cloete
Coetzee
Summerfield
Stewart
Jonker
Tonks
Merrigan
TCS
Warboys
Wright
Wow, thats a B team (at best) and contains quite a few who are (IMO) not up to Prem standard. For example Worboys is playing in Nat 1 for Chinnor? Similarly Louie Hennessey isn't there yet. I don't see how getting a battering would do anyone any good, the players or Bath (given the current momentum).
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 13:05
Losing at Leicester whilst resting the first team won't define our season but losing at home to Gloucester with a tired squad could. We put 60 past Saracens last season, 2 weeks later they were premiership champions. JvG is clearly prioritising Europe, a competition he admits to love.
adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
adopted player, 24/25 Hame Faiva. 23/24 Ted Hill. 22/23 Cam Redpath. 21/22 Max Clark. 20/21 Henry Thomas. 19/20 Max Wright. 18/19 Cooper Vuna.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 13:49
I think JvG will rest some key players however one thing is for sure as he has shown this season whichever 23 he puts out will be competitive - he will want point/s from this game.
Tigers are a better side than their table positions suggests but like Sale and Chiefs you know what you are going to get albeit I do think this season it has been more about us imposing our game on opposition rather than worrying how to stop them - which is a key shift in mentality and has a lot to do with Finn and his leadership as much as anything,
Tigers are a better side than their table positions suggests but like Sale and Chiefs you know what you are going to get albeit I do think this season it has been more about us imposing our game on opposition rather than worrying how to stop them - which is a key shift in mentality and has a lot to do with Finn and his leadership as much as anything,
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 13:49
I would be really surprised if he is prioritising Europe.
We have pretty much zero chance of winning it.
We have a decent chance of winning the prem (or at least making play offs).
I can live with 5-10 changes with some rotation of the xv and some rested completely.
Any more and I will be disappointed personally.
I think the aim should be to plot through the next 3 weeks aiming to win all 3 games, I think the squad is too good to effectively throw one of those games.
We have pretty much zero chance of winning it.
We have a decent chance of winning the prem (or at least making play offs).
I can live with 5-10 changes with some rotation of the xv and some rested completely.
Any more and I will be disappointed personally.
I think the aim should be to plot through the next 3 weeks aiming to win all 3 games, I think the squad is too good to effectively throw one of those games.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 13:54
Quote:copester
Losing at Leicester whilst resting the first team won't define our season but losing at home to Gloucester with a tired squad could. We put 60 past Saracens last season, 2 weeks later they were premiership champions. JvG is clearly prioritising Europe, a competition he admits to love.
I get your point but think that is too extreme. Agree with others above there will be a bit of rotation but not anything like this number of non-prem / non senior players. Certainly wouldn't object to the likes of Hame Faiva getting game time, Butt, TDG, Griffin, McConnochie, van Velze (i.e. senior and experienced guys who haven't had many minutes this season.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 14:09
Would be good to get an injury update from the club in the next few days.
Seems uncertainty over when any of the below will be fit or not for tigers:
Underhill
Barbeary
Bayliss ( sounds a few weeks away still)
Spencer
Rmc
Availability of those over the coming weeks will have e a big impact on selections this weekend. For example if spencer is out then really don't like the idea of no finn either. If underhill and barbeary out then may need to play reid even though I think he could probably do with a rest.
Seems uncertainty over when any of the below will be fit or not for tigers:
Underhill
Barbeary
Bayliss ( sounds a few weeks away still)
Spencer
Rmc
Availability of those over the coming weeks will have e a big impact on selections this weekend. For example if spencer is out then really don't like the idea of no finn either. If underhill and barbeary out then may need to play reid even though I think he could probably do with a rest.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 15:57
The glorious thing about this season is not really caring very much who starts, because every player and combo is, as a minimum, interesting to see. I’m really looking forward to seeing Bailey start, for example, because it will be fascinating to see whether there’s a Finn effect.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 17:14
Quote:charlieboa
I think the aim should be to plot through the next 3 weeks aiming to win all 3 games, I think the squad is too good to effectively throw one of those games.
We lost at home to a second string Tigers, so a win away would seem unlikely. I wouldn't be that unhappy with full rotation away to Tigers to improve our chances of winning both the next 2 home games.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 17:56
I think that lacks ambition personally but I completely accept i am in the minority in thinking 1st has a chance against 8th and that winning away one week and winning at home the next (against 9th) is possible.
Having seen us lose prob 17 out of about 18 of my
trips to Welford Rd over the last 35 years I don't for a second underestimate the task but am buoyed by how close we came away to sale with 12 changes.
I do get that is safer to try and bank the 2 home wins - heaven forbid glos or racing upset the applecart though otherwise we have may have 'thrown' a game and acidentally lost 1 or 2!
I would make 5-10 changes to the 1st xv and rest 3- 4 completely.
I think they may make more like 10 changes and rest 5-6 " completely which becomes too big an ask to sneak a win.
Having seen us lose prob 17 out of about 18 of my
trips to Welford Rd over the last 35 years I don't for a second underestimate the task but am buoyed by how close we came away to sale with 12 changes.
I do get that is safer to try and bank the 2 home wins - heaven forbid glos or racing upset the applecart though otherwise we have may have 'thrown' a game and acidentally lost 1 or 2!
I would make 5-10 changes to the 1st xv and rest 3- 4 completely.
I think they may make more like 10 changes and rest 5-6 " completely which becomes too big an ask to sneak a win.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/12/2023 18:08
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:charlieboa
I think the aim should be to plot through the next 3 weeks aiming to win all 3 games, I think the squad is too good to effectively throw one of those games.
We lost at home to a second string Tigers, so a win away would seem unlikely. I wouldn't be that unhappy with full rotation away to Tigers to improve our chances of winning both the next 2 home games.
Have you watched Tigers recently ? They have been absolutely abysmal. We took a second choice side to sale and did well I would expect that same side to beat tigers. No matter the squad we take I think a win is a must.
Not sure either competition should be favoured yet. We have the chance for rotation of players who need a rest whilst also having a shot of a win. To then set us up to qualify top of our group.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 08:33
I hope it’s not a complete rotation that some have suggested. JvG can love Europe all he likes but we’re as good as through to the next round due to the daft format so a home semi in the Premiership has to be on the radar.
It’s hard to tell who needs it from here as we don’t know what the conditioning reports are and who is carrying a niggle that would benefit from a week off but it should be feasible to work out who could sit either one or two of the next three to get a break without overly weakening us for a Leicester trip that will still be tough even if they’re not in top form.
For example if Stewart starts I’d give him some reliable props either side and Ewels to run the line out so he has the best chance to succeed.
Bit of a stab in the dark but maybe something like this with a mix of full and partial rest
Schoeman
Stewart
du Toit
Ewels
Roux
van Velze
Cloete
Coetzee
Spencer
Bailey
de Glanville
Redpath
Ojomoh
Butt
Gallagher
Annett
Cordwell
Griffin
Stooke
Richards
Schreuder
Harris
Reid
It’s hard to tell who needs it from here as we don’t know what the conditioning reports are and who is carrying a niggle that would benefit from a week off but it should be feasible to work out who could sit either one or two of the next three to get a break without overly weakening us for a Leicester trip that will still be tough even if they’re not in top form.
For example if Stewart starts I’d give him some reliable props either side and Ewels to run the line out so he has the best chance to succeed.
Bit of a stab in the dark but maybe something like this with a mix of full and partial rest
Schoeman
Stewart
du Toit
Ewels
Roux
van Velze
Cloete
Coetzee
Spencer
Bailey
de Glanville
Redpath
Ojomoh
Butt
Gallagher
Annett
Cordwell
Griffin
Stooke
Richards
Schreuder
Harris
Reid
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 09:04
I personally think JVG knows 100% the threat of Tigers pack and will not send a team like "Lambs to the Slaughter" - I am sure he is aware a heavy defeat will undo all the hard work he and his coaches have been building and may go something like:
Schoeman
Faiva
Stuart
Stooke/Roux
McNally
GVV (C)
Cloete
Coetzee
Schreuder
Bailey
Goss
Max O
Butt
TDG
Owen
Stewart
Cordwell
Griffin
Stooke/Roux
Merigan
Richards
TCS
Harris
All I know is that we will be competitive.
Schoeman
Faiva
Stuart
Stooke/Roux
McNally
GVV (C)
Cloete
Coetzee
Schreuder
Bailey
Goss
Max O
Butt
TDG
Owen
Stewart
Cordwell
Griffin
Stooke/Roux
Merigan
Richards
TCS
Harris
All I know is that we will be competitive.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 09:15
Quote:charlieboa
I would be really surprised if he is prioritising Europe.
We have pretty much zero chance of winning it.
We have a decent chance of winning the prem (or at least making play offs).
I can live with 5-10 changes with some rotation of the xv and some rested completely.
Any more and I will be disappointed personally.
I think the aim should be to plot through the next 3 weeks aiming to win all 3 games, I think the squad is too good to effectively throw one of those games.
With JVG picking 2 fully loaded squads for Europe when in previous league games at least one big name was rotated. That is where my assessment of prioritising Europe came from.
I imagine that would be a topic raised at the initial stage of recruiting the likes of Russell and Du Toit.
That said, personally I agree that we could get something at Welford Road with say 5/6 changes
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 09:57
Quote:charlieboa
I would be really surprised if he is prioritising Europe.
We have pretty much zero chance of winning it.
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I think there’s more to ‘prioritising Europe’ than whether we can realistically win it or not. Learning to win in Europe requires us to get into a knockout game or two.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 10:17
Quote:OptimistQuote:charlieboa
I would be really surprised if he is prioritising Europe.
We have pretty much zero chance of winning it.
.
I think there’s more to ‘prioritising Europe’ than whether we can realistically win it or not. Learning to win in Europe requires us to get into a knockout game or two.
Not sure that prioritising Europe can be inferred from a strong side at Cardiff can it? More inclined to think he will go strong at home whatever the game to make the Rec a fortress. Early days!
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Posted by: RalphAllen (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 11:10
Quote:OptimistQuote:charlieboa
I would be really surprised if he is prioritising Europe.
We have pretty much zero chance of winning it.
.
I think there’s more to ‘prioritising Europe’ than whether we can realistically win it or not. Learning to win in Europe requires us to get into a knockout game or two.
JvG has said repeatedly that he 'loves' the Champions Cup. So he will go all out for a win v Racing, with Bruce's blessing. Not least because it will moreorless guarantee a sell-out home tie in the Round of 16 (and beyond?). That extra revenue is gold dust in a shortened domestic league. No brainer.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 15:51
Tigers fan in peace. We were truly abysmal last week and only one or two players were above average. However before that we had won 5 on the bounce and we can only hope that last week was just a blip. Also our injury list seems longer every week but I am hopeful that being at home with a good crowd will get the players juices flowing. Safe journey to anyone travelling up.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 16:03
A20 thank you for your kind message - looking forward to my annual trip to your wonderful stadium - I appreciate you had a bad result and performance last weekend, however facing the Tigers on their own patch is always the ultimate test and I am sure your team will rise to the magnificent support they have.
I would imagine as the tone on this thread suggests we will be much changed but we all hope competitive - however as you are only too aware of these blocks of games give no rest as we have a huge derby next weekend followed by Racing, Toulouse and oh yes another massive derby after that.
Hears hoping for a great game between arguably two of the greats in English rugby.
I would imagine as the tone on this thread suggests we will be much changed but we all hope competitive - however as you are only too aware of these blocks of games give no rest as we have a huge derby next weekend followed by Racing, Toulouse and oh yes another massive derby after that.
Hears hoping for a great game between arguably two of the greats in English rugby.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 16:30
Quote:A2O
Tigers fan in peace. We were truly abysmal last week and only one or two players were above average. However before that we had won 5 on the bounce and we can only hope that last week was just a blip. Also our injury list seems longer every week but I am hopeful that being at home with a good crowd will get the players juices flowing. Safe journey to anyone travelling up.
Thanks a20.
Care to have a stab at your 23 for Sunday?
You can't be any worse than us lot ! This week we are especially clueless with some going for v little change from the quins game right through to rotation of all 15 starters. I am hoping we are somewhere in the middle and give ourselves a good chance of at least being competitive
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 17:48
This was posted on our offy,
Shillcock
Steward
Scott/Cokanasiga
Kelly
Brown/Kata
Pollard
Whiteley
Whitcombe
Montoya
Heyes
Martin
Chessum
Liebenberg
Cracknell
Wiese
Theobald-Thomas
Van Wyk
Cole
Wells
Ilione
Powell/JvP
Wilkinson
Kata/Cokanasiga/Simmons
as a squad I guess it's not far away from who we have fit. Ben Youngs limped off, no idea of his fitness, Tommy Reffel has missed a game, not sure if he's fit either. I think Jack van Poortvleit is close to returning, could make the bench?
Shillcock
Steward
Scott/Cokanasiga
Kelly
Brown/Kata
Pollard
Whiteley
Whitcombe
Montoya
Heyes
Martin
Chessum
Liebenberg
Cracknell
Wiese
Theobald-Thomas
Van Wyk
Cole
Wells
Ilione
Powell/JvP
Wilkinson
Kata/Cokanasiga/Simmons
as a squad I guess it's not far away from who we have fit. Ben Youngs limped off, no idea of his fitness, Tommy Reffel has missed a game, not sure if he's fit either. I think Jack van Poortvleit is close to returning, could make the bench?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)
Date: 28/12/2023 18:41
Quote:Difficult to predict our 23 as don’t know who is fit. Can see it being a close game so hope Pollard has got his kicking boots on.charlieboaQuote:A2O
Tigers fan in peace. We were truly abysmal last week and only one or two players were above average. However before that we had won 5 on the bounce and we can only hope that last week was just a blip. Also our injury list seems longer every week but I am hopeful that being at home with a good crowd will get the players juices flowing. Safe journey to anyone travelling up.
Thanks a20.
Care to have a stab at your 23 for Sunday?
You can't be any worse than us lot ! This week we are especially clueless with some going for v little change from the quins game right through to rotation of all 15 starters. I am hoping we are somewhere in the middle and give ourselves a good chance of at least being competitive
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 08:38
As A20 & Burnie have said v. difficult to select a squad due to injury list which is mainly based around our hookers, centres/wingers & scrum halves!
Injured list after Exeter game
Cam Henderson - out for the season
Centres/Wings
Scott
Porter
OHC
Simmons
Bassett
Hooker
Clare
Dolly
Vanes
Scrum half
JVP
Youngs
Reffell
Cronin
If none of the above are back available I would have a guess at
Brown
Steward
Kelly
Kata
Watson
Pollard
Whitely
Van Wyk
Montoya
Heyes
Chessum
Martin
Liebenberg
Ilione
Wiese
FTT
Whitcombe
Cole
Wells
Hatherell
Powell/Edwards
Shillcock
Cokanasiga
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Injured list after Exeter game
Cam Henderson - out for the season
Centres/Wings
Scott
Porter
OHC
Simmons
Bassett
Hooker
Clare
Dolly
Vanes
Scrum half
JVP
Youngs
Reffell
Cronin
If none of the above are back available I would have a guess at
Brown
Steward
Kelly
Kata
Watson
Pollard
Whitely
Van Wyk
Montoya
Heyes
Chessum
Martin
Liebenberg
Ilione
Wiese
FTT
Whitcombe
Cole
Wells
Hatherell
Powell/Edwards
Shillcock
Cokanasiga
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 09:17
That's still a strong tigers 23 despite the injury list.
Shame about cam henderson- been v impressed every time I have seen him.
We know hill & staddon are out but question marks as to whether the below have new injuries/ are still out- of the mix:
Underhill
Barbeary
Bayliss
Spencer
Mcconnachie
Could really do with one of those backrowers being fit as ideally would give reid a rest.
Shame about cam henderson- been v impressed every time I have seen him.
We know hill & staddon are out but question marks as to whether the below have new injuries/ are still out- of the mix:
Underhill
Barbeary
Bayliss
Spencer
Mcconnachie
Could really do with one of those backrowers being fit as ideally would give reid a rest.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 09:46
Even with a few less games being played now, all the teams still seem to be having players injured, what is worrying is that if the proposed reduction in squad sizes if enforced by the RFU, will we see more injuries due to either players taking the field carrying an injury, or inexperienced players taking the field and not being physically able to play at the current physical level of intensity?
We have hundreds of players taking the game to court over long term concussion injuries, yet we still see players failing HIA assessments, I wonder if the current obsession with size and physicality over skill is making the game unsustainable?
We have hundreds of players taking the game to court over long term concussion injuries, yet we still see players failing HIA assessments, I wonder if the current obsession with size and physicality over skill is making the game unsustainable?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 10:23
Quote:tigerburnie
We have hundreds of players taking the game to court over long term concussion injuries, yet we still see players failing HIA assessments, I wonder if the current obsession with size and physicality over skill is making the game unsustainable?
Whilst this is correct TB I think the point is that the tolerance for concussion injuries is considerably lower. Many impacts previously would have simply been ignored and the player exposed to second, third forth injuries without any kind of medical intervention.
The whole point of the HIA protocols is to make players and coaches aware of the dangers.
The point about squad size reduction is a very valid one mind.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:02
Team is Up seems we’ve gone with the fairly heavily rotated side. However still looks strong and should be able to do a job some important players still there. Harris and TDG in the team now that’s fun
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:05
Tigers
15 Freddie Steward [78]
14 Harry Simmons [35]
13 Dan Kelly [69]
12 Solomone Kata [8]
11 Mike Brown [17]
10 Handré Pollard [21]
9 Tom Whiteley [18]
1 James Cronin [23]
2 Julián Montoya (c) [48]
3 Joe Heyes [133]
4 George Martin [70]
5 Ollie Chessum [49] *
6 Matt Rogerson [11]
7 Tommy Reffell [106]
8 Jasper Wiese [67]
REPLACEMENTS
16 Finn Theobold-Thomas [3]
17 Francois van Wyk [42]
18 Will Hurd [34]
19 Harry Wells [186]
20 Kyle Hatherell [9]
21 Olly Cracknell [30]
22 Joe Powell [7]
23 Jamie Shillcock [14]
15 Freddie Steward [78]
14 Harry Simmons [35]
13 Dan Kelly [69]
12 Solomone Kata [8]
11 Mike Brown [17]
10 Handré Pollard [21]
9 Tom Whiteley [18]
1 James Cronin [23]
2 Julián Montoya (c) [48]
3 Joe Heyes [133]
4 George Martin [70]
5 Ollie Chessum [49] *
6 Matt Rogerson [11]
7 Tommy Reffell [106]
8 Jasper Wiese [67]
REPLACEMENTS
16 Finn Theobold-Thomas [3]
17 Francois van Wyk [42]
18 Will Hurd [34]
19 Harry Wells [186]
20 Kyle Hatherell [9]
21 Olly Cracknell [30]
22 Joe Powell [7]
23 Jamie Shillcock [14]
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:15
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:20
Can only hope with Karl Dickson reffing that Cloete and McNally have learnt from their previous games and don’t give away a shed load of penalties. I admit to being slightly worried that it may be one rotation too far to be truly competitive and oddly it’s not the youngsters that worry me.
I will watch anyway with fingers firmly crossed.
I will watch anyway with fingers firmly crossed.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:21
That's going to be a huge test, two FBs on the wings, Sam Harris at 15 but then Orlando Bailey starts with Schreuder. That didn't go brilliantly last time.
Loads of trust being handed out there, Bailey our main kicker.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:26
Tigers away and Karl Dickson.............
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:27
Tigers stronger than I expected, Tommy Reffell a huge boost to our back row, Cronin back a boost to the front row, Leibenburg and Cole get a much needed rest. Fancy a home win now
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:28
As with sale feels like 2- 3 too many rested to give us a realistic chance.
I find it strange personally as think that 23 would have a great chance next week at home to glos but the mantra is clearly win your home games and maybe sneak a few away.
Won't be many better chances to have beaten tigers but you never know- if a second team beats them then hats off! Sure they will be very motivated to prove they are up to the task.
If we sneak a lbp and then beat glos and racing then job done I guess.
Considering we are resting /missing beno, dunn, stooke, ewels, hill, bayliss, alfie, underhill, spencer, russell, cam, lawrence, muir, coko that's still left us with a decent 23. Benefits of small injury list which the rotation has no doubt helped with.
Excited to see Harris at 15 but do find it frustrating they blood these guys (him, stewart, TCS, hennessey) in a second string away from home. Maybe long term it will serve them well.
I find it strange personally as think that 23 would have a great chance next week at home to glos but the mantra is clearly win your home games and maybe sneak a few away.
Won't be many better chances to have beaten tigers but you never know- if a second team beats them then hats off! Sure they will be very motivated to prove they are up to the task.
If we sneak a lbp and then beat glos and racing then job done I guess.
Considering we are resting /missing beno, dunn, stooke, ewels, hill, bayliss, alfie, underhill, spencer, russell, cam, lawrence, muir, coko that's still left us with a decent 23. Benefits of small injury list which the rotation has no doubt helped with.
Excited to see Harris at 15 but do find it frustrating they blood these guys (him, stewart, TCS, hennessey) in a second string away from home. Maybe long term it will serve them well.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:33
Quote:tigerburnie
Tigers stronger than I expected, Tommy Reffell a huge boost to our back row, Cronin back a boost to the front row, Leibenburg and Cole get a much needed rest. Fancy a home win now
Refell a big bonus agreed.
You are right to be confident despite having some injury issues and resting a few.
If you lose at home to this bath team I would say that would be considered a serious low point.
Probably only 2-3 max of our first xv that would make a cup final xv (arguably stuart tho tdt would have something to say, maybe roux but stooke preferred by many, one of Gallagher or tdg at 15, not on the wing!). Easy to make an argument that's 100% second team.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:38
Quote:charlieboa
As with sale feels like 2- 3 too many rested to give us a realistic chance.
I find it strange personally as think that 23 would have a great chance next week at home to glos but the mantra is clearly win your home games and maybe sneak a few away.
Won't be many better chances to have beaten tigers but you never know- if a second team beats them then hats off! Sure they will be very motivated to prove they are up to the task.
If we sneak a lbp and then beat glos and racing then job done I guess.
Considering we are resting /missing beno, dunn, stooke, ewels, hill, bayliss, alfie, underhill, spencer, russell, cam, lawrence, muir, coko that's still left us with a decent 23. Benefits of small injury list which the rotation has no doubt helped with.
Excited to see Harris at 15 but do find it frustrating they blood these guys (him, stewart, TCS, hennessey) in a second string away from home. Maybe long term it will serve them well.
Agree it is frustrating to not see them against Glos but then again they’ve arguably had their introductions with the big boys off the bench earlier in the season. Now it’s just go do it for 80 minutes. Whilst it looks initially very weak I still think it could end up being closer than some expect.
- Expect us to dominate scrum time especially off the bench
- Coetzee been immense and will give front foot ball
- Bailey who possibly has sorted kicking out and had weeks of Russell’s help
- Centre combination that started the season very well
- TDG and Gallagher will help out Harris at 15 and together can rotate
- TDT/Richards/Reid all give some experience and hopefully calm in the team.
For me the result in this game isn’t as important. It’s how this decision looks in a months time. Like it did with sale and we look back and see that we’ve been able to go at teams with little change and win all those games.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:40
Quote:charlieboa
Excited to see Harris at 15 but do find it frustrating they blood these guys (him, stewart, TCS, hennessey) in a second string away from home. Maybe long term it will serve them well.
Agree CB 4 full backs in that squad and no respite from the bench. Thing is though that the club are in a great position and these guys have to be tested against the best, so I sort of get it, very much deep end stuff though.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: ilovebathtime (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:44
Quote:TG Kesmo
Can only hope with Karl Dickson reffing that Cloete and McNally have learnt from their previous games and don’t give away a shed load of penalties. I admit to being slightly worried that it may be one rotation too far to be truly competitive and oddly it’s not the youngsters that worry me.
I will watch anyway with fingers firmly crossed.
I agree that it's not the youngsters that are the worry, and that we have rotated too many to get a result.
The proof of whether this has been a good strategy will be whether we make the top 2 or not at the end of the season and how far we get in Europe. We obviously need to rotate players, but I feel that we could do it in a different way and beat both Leicester and Gloucester.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:46
Agree with all those comments hk890 and SW.
It's a v exciting 23 in many ways, I just passionately hate losing to Leicester and felt they were there for the taking!!
It's a v exciting 23 in many ways, I just passionately hate losing to Leicester and felt they were there for the taking!!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:48
Pretty much the team I was expecting given the next block of matches 2 local derbies and 2 galacticos of the French game - I am confident we will be combative and competitive - would have liked to see young Griffin given a go ahead of Jonker but maybe he was not available or it was felt Jonker has more experience.
Starting 8 is pretty strong considering there is 7 changes from the starting 8 last week - half backs as expected both wings are equally adaptive and have the speed for the wing and are both safe under the high ball but most importantly will provide Sam Harris with plenty of advice and support. The one thing which may work in our favour and should worry the Tigers team is the amount of pace and power in our backline - all of whom at one time or another have played on the wing and have huge amounts of pace - Lee Blackett I think see's enormous talent in Harris and he appears well ahead of Worboys in coaches thinking.
I am not too despondent with the 23 and will be travelling up to Welford Road confident in our ability to mix it and be competitive - the one person I am truly concerned about is the Official and that is for both sides.
I will be looking forward to a fully fit Jaco Coetzee against Wiese that will be tasty.
Starting 8 is pretty strong considering there is 7 changes from the starting 8 last week - half backs as expected both wings are equally adaptive and have the speed for the wing and are both safe under the high ball but most importantly will provide Sam Harris with plenty of advice and support. The one thing which may work in our favour and should worry the Tigers team is the amount of pace and power in our backline - all of whom at one time or another have played on the wing and have huge amounts of pace - Lee Blackett I think see's enormous talent in Harris and he appears well ahead of Worboys in coaches thinking.
I am not too despondent with the 23 and will be travelling up to Welford Road confident in our ability to mix it and be competitive - the one person I am truly concerned about is the Official and that is for both sides.
I will be looking forward to a fully fit Jaco Coetzee against Wiese that will be tasty.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:49
Heavy rotation but still a strong team. Let's go boys!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:49
Looks a sensible selection to me That's a heavy pack who will have to front up against a smarting tigers pack. Looks like a selection to put the ball in the air more than recently. Should be a good game.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 12:57
Quote:Ali
both wings are equally adaptive and have the speed for the wing and are both safe under the high ball but most importantly will provide Sam Harris with plenty of advice and support. The one thing which may work in our favour and should worry the Tigers team is the amount of pace and power in our backline - all of whom at one time or another have played on the wing and have huge amounts of pace - Lee Blackett I think see's enormous talent in Harris and he appears well ahead of Worboys in coaches thinking.
Sam Harris will not let the side down in any way, very good hands but defensively he is not only shrewd but fast as well. Pollard will kick to test him he may well get a shock when we run it back at him.
Interesting that Lee Blackett rates him highly, is that from background knowledge of just your opinion?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 13:07
Being brutally honest, if Worboys were gonna kick on he would have by now. Feels like he might be moving on.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 13:17
Glos look fully loaded to me away to quins (may be wrong). Good news for us in terms of next week arguably tho they will have 8 day turnaround.
Sale look fully loaded away to saints.
We certainly seem to be the outlier in terms of naming second teams for away games but agree with ilovecider that oif it gets us top 2 in prem and knock outs of champions cup it's worked.
My worry is we end up 4th having 'thrown' a handful of away games and our reward is losing an away semi.
Saying that if we had a fully fit, fresh squad then we could beat anyone home or away.
Sale look fully loaded away to saints.
We certainly seem to be the outlier in terms of naming second teams for away games but agree with ilovecider that oif it gets us top 2 in prem and knock outs of champions cup it's worked.
My worry is we end up 4th having 'thrown' a handful of away games and our reward is losing an away semi.
Saying that if we had a fully fit, fresh squad then we could beat anyone home or away.
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Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 13:25
Let's face it this is an age old rivalry, current form would favour the side sitting in top spot, but this is Welford Road, not quite yet the fortress it used to be, but the home crowd do lift the mis firing Tigers, could be exactly what we all want, an exciting game of rugby.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 13:30
Quote:charlieboa
Agree with all those comments hk890 and SW.
It's a v exciting 23 in many ways, I just passionately hate losing to Leicester and felt they were there for the taking!!
We lost at home to a weaker lineup to what Tigers have selected this time. Probably weren’t going to win anyway so I like the idea of a major squad rotation, although I wouldn’t have had Cloete and McNally in the team after their recent disastrous performances.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: abendanon-anon-anon (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 13:36
All for rotation, but as others have said, bit too far this time. Would like to have been more confident of staying top for New Year, but fingers crossed. Whole squad must be confident given recent results, so hopefully that will give them a boost, having been selected to play in this historic fixture
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 14:18
I'm also in the it feels like too much rotation camp, so can see us getting nothing from the match except experience for the youngsters.
However, both sides will have to suffer the worst ref around.
However, both sides will have to suffer the worst ref around.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 14:23
Quote:Ali1969
Pretty much the team I was expecting
Indeed Ali!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 14:23
Important not to give away too many penalties as Pollard just doesn't miss, although we have a couple of penalty magnets in the team so that might not go too well.
Could well be we get nothing from this game, but if we then go on to beat Gloucester and Racing it will be worth it.
Could well be we get nothing from this game, but if we then go on to beat Gloucester and Racing it will be worth it.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 14:39
Quote:P G TipsQuote:Ali1969
Pretty much the team I was expecting
Indeed Ali!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 14:39
Quote:OutsideBath
Important not to give away too many penalties as Pollard just doesn't miss, although we have a couple of penalty magnets in the team so that might not go too well.
Could well be we get nothing from this game, but if we then go on to beat Gloucester and Racing it will be worth it.
It didnt go well last time at tigers in March (48-27) too many penalties (13) and down to 13 at one stage Josh McNally and Tom Dunn getting the wrong side of Mr Carley . I would hope for a losing bonus point but head says a similar score line …agree with rotation…..give others a chance !
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 14:56
Our heavily rotated side won away in Paris, you just never know, which is why this is the best game to both play or watch, if the RFU would get their act together.
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 18:34
Expecting a loss, as is normal when visiting welford road. Excited to watch the game though.
All the pressure will be on tigers, let’s hope that some of our boys are chomping at the bit to put their best foot forward and show what they can do.
All the pressure will be on tigers, let’s hope that some of our boys are chomping at the bit to put their best foot forward and show what they can do.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 19:20
Remember when Sarries brought their second team to the Rec and caused a big stir last season? Let's go one better. Nothing to lose!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 21:43
Would be interesting to compare this 23 with a (first-choice) Bath 23 from, say, 2 seasons ago. You’d back this year’s lot, right? May be a stretch to take Tigers away this time, but I think it will be well worth watching, and you wouldn’t say that if we’d sent a 2nd XV 2 years ago.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 21:50
It's generally been last men standing for about the last 3 seasons.
Nice to be able to proactively rotate!
Nice to be able to proactively rotate!
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 22:34
On TNT on Sunday.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 23:07
Post team announcements, oddschecker have Tigers at 2/9 and Bath at 17/4 for the win. Game over then. I wonder what the points difference forecast is?
Seems it's an 11 point spread so no LBP for us either 😕
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Seems it's an 11 point spread so no LBP for us either 😕
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 23:34
Quote:OutsideBath
We lost at home to a weaker lineup to what Tigers have selected this time. Probably weren’t going to win anyway so I like the idea of a major squad rotation, although I wouldn’t have had Cloete and McNally in the team after their recent disastrous performances.
Apologies for mentioning the round ball game but West Ham went away to Liverpool in the Carabou cup with a heavily rotated team & lost 5-1, though the odds were that they would loose anyway. However, they then beat Man U & Arsenal & are 6th in the table so worked well in my view!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 23:36
I hope we get at least a bonus point.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 29/12/2023 23:56
Quote:Bath HammerQuote:OutsideBath
We lost at home to a weaker lineup to what Tigers have selected this time. Probably weren’t going to win anyway so I like the idea of a major squad rotation, although I wouldn’t have had Cloete and McNally in the team after their recent disastrous performances.
Apologies for mentioning the round ball game but West Ham went away to Liverpool in the Carabou cup with a heavily rotated team & lost 5-1, though the odds were that they would loose anyway. However, they then beat Man U & Arsenal & are 6th in the table so worked well in my view!
What was that BH? West Ham beat Arsenal, weren't they top of the table? I've got a feeling there might be some Arsenal supporters on this forum so I'd not tell anyone else if I were you.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 08:03
Quote:Clarkey3k
Post team announcements, oddschecker have Tigers at 2/9 and Bath at 17/4 for the win. Game over then. I wonder what the points difference forecast is?
Seems it's an 11 point spread so no LBP for us either 😕
11 point spread seems fair and I personally think anything less than a 15 point defeat is a great effort from a second team away to leic.
Whilst I would have put about 3 stronger players in that 23 to make a LBP (aven sneaking a win) realistic there are various things I like about the selection on reflection.
Whole squad remains invested and engaged.
Jvg and staff are trusting the squad
We give ourselves a great chance of wins against glos and racing
Our best young players (stewart/ richards/ tcs/ hennessey/ harris) are getting some games
Rotation should mean if we get to the play offs the squad will be fresh (risk if we don't get there!)
Rotation will be under advice and guidance from the medical and S&C staff so hopefully help with injuries
Last season leic away was carnage for us- 4 injuries so not risking big players against an ultra physical team I get
Our pack is actually v v experienced and v v big so would like to think we won't get dominated
Maybe Harris will appreciate having 2 fullbacks supporting him with pollard pulling the strings for leic
Gutted as fully loaded I would be v confident of a rare Welford Rd win and shame we don't get to see some amazing match ups like beno vs heyes, ewels against 2 eng locks, alfie vs wiese (tho as excited by coetzee currently), finn vs pollard etc.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 09:18
Quote:Dont forget Tigers are missing a number of starters so you have hopecharlieboaQuote:Clarkey3k
Post team announcements, oddschecker have Tigers at 2/9 and Bath at 17/4 for the win. Game over then. I wonder what the points difference forecast is?
Seems it's an 11 point spread so no LBP for us either 😕
11 point spread seems fair and I personally think anything less than a 15 point defeat is a great effort from a second team away to leic.
Whilst I would have put about 3 stronger players in that 23 to make a LBP (aven sneaking a win) realistic there are various things I like about the selection on reflection.
Whole squad remains invested and engaged.
Jvg and staff are trusting the squad
We give ourselves a great chance of wins against glos and racing
Our best young players (stewart/ richards/ tcs/ hennessey/ harris) are getting some games
Rotation should mean if we get to the play offs the squad will be fresh (risk if we don't get there!)
Rotation will be under advice and guidance from the medical and S&C staff so hopefully help with injuries
Last season leic away was carnage for us- 4 injuries so not risking big players against an ultra physical team I get
Our pack is actually v v experienced and v v big so would like to think we won't get dominated
Maybe Harris will appreciate having 2 fullbacks supporting him with pollard pulling the strings for leic
Gutted as fully loaded I would be v confident of a rare Welford Rd win and shame we don't get to see some amazing match ups like beno vs heyes, ewels against 2 eng locks, alfie vs wiese (tho as excited by coetzee currently), finn vs pollard etc.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 09:57
Fingers crossed A20.
It's a fixture that deserves a good, close game.
For me it remains the premier rivalry in the English game- spot the man who hasn't moved on from the 90s!
It's a fixture that deserves a good, close game.
For me it remains the premier rivalry in the English game- spot the man who hasn't moved on from the 90s!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 11:30
Charleboa, they were great times, I remember coming down and waking to see the rec under snow, by ko the snow had gone and parts were actually underwater. Seeing Jon Hall against Deano in identical brown soaked kits was amazing. I’m pretty sure the game only went ahead as it was on the tv
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 12:28
Quote:Stopsy
Charleboa, they were great times, I remember coming down and waking to see the rec under snow, by ko the snow had gone and parts were actually underwater. Seeing Jon Hall against Deano in identical brown soaked kits was amazing. I’m pretty sure the game only went ahead as it was on the tv
Proper rugby stopsy!
I started watching bath in 1984 so basked in glory for 15 years and it's been rather brutal ever since- I was rather spoilt.
I have probably been to Welford Rd about 15-20 times and seen us win once! Week after the rwc final in 03- what a week that was!!
Enjoy the game tomorrow- hope we haven't ruined it with our selection but think/hope that 23 can still be vaguely competitive, at least for spells of the game!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 12:34
Just a bit of a shame that this rotation, whilst fully understandable, occurs at the time of a Tigers v Bath game. Hopefully the confidence in the squad will have rubber off onto the players coming in. Go Bath.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 13:12
Everyone understands the need for rotation but my thoughts are if Saints away taught us anything it was to rest either Finn or Spencer, not both at the same time. The drop off in quality is just too great imv.
Would've also liked to see TCS starting at WR. Be a great test to see where he's at. I'm sorry but I just don't see what Schreuder offers...reminds me of Allinson/Youngs.
Still, a decent side. LBP would do me.
Would've also liked to see TCS starting at WR. Be a great test to see where he's at. I'm sorry but I just don't see what Schreuder offers...reminds me of Allinson/Youngs.
Still, a decent side. LBP would do me.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 13:19
Agree with all that barfboy.
I would add 12 in there as well I.e. the drop off from spencer/ finn/ redpath to schreuder/ bailey/ butt is too big I think.
Actually quite like the rest of the team tho bit odd to rest both frontline hookers at the same time (assuming they are fit).
Would love to have seen finn play and give landy a go next week in a loaded starting xv. Poor bloke gets to play 2 seasons in a terrible team and does really well, then gets rewarded by only playing in second teams away from home.
I would add 12 in there as well I.e. the drop off from spencer/ finn/ redpath to schreuder/ bailey/ butt is too big I think.
Actually quite like the rest of the team tho bit odd to rest both frontline hookers at the same time (assuming they are fit).
Would love to have seen finn play and give landy a go next week in a loaded starting xv. Poor bloke gets to play 2 seasons in a terrible team and does really well, then gets rewarded by only playing in second teams away from home.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 13:46
Quote:charlieboa
I would add 12 in there as well I.e. the drop off from spencer/ finn/ redpath to schreuder/ bailey/ butt is too big I think.
That's true. I would think Gallagher must be due a rest week, so perhaps Redpath (played less rugby than Finn?) in at 12 with Butt on the wing might have been a better option...he's played there before if my memory serves me correctly ; )
Regardless, I think we've proved this season that whatever team we put out will be no pushover - even at WR.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: nigewing (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 15:01
Comments from Quins game were that both Finn & Ben S were cautiously stretching when they came off which makes them a risk.
Also i assume Sam Harris will be back up goal kicker?
Also i assume Sam Harris will be back up goal kicker?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/12/2023 21:59
With results today it looks as if 2 points isn’t a bad outcome by any means tomorrow.
12 points from our next 3 prem games (Tigers A, Glos H, Bris A) puts us top of the league/tied with saints before 6N I predict. Saints have got Exeter Away then Falcons at Home
Good chance we now go big for Toulouse away and hope to see a rotated side and top the group.
On a side note excited to see Brendan Owen could be a good pick up as I imagine very cheap and we’re in need of back 3 players even if he mainly plays 15
12 points from our next 3 prem games (Tigers A, Glos H, Bris A) puts us top of the league/tied with saints before 6N I predict. Saints have got Exeter Away then Falcons at Home
Good chance we now go big for Toulouse away and hope to see a rotated side and top the group.
On a side note excited to see Brendan Owen could be a good pick up as I imagine very cheap and we’re in need of back 3 players even if he mainly plays 15
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 08:21
Quote:HK890
Good chance we now go big for Toulouse away and hope to see a rotated side and top the group.
15
Rotate against whom?
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 08:27
Quote:Bath HammerQuote:HK890
Good chance we now go big for Toulouse away and hope to see a rotated side and top the group.
15
Rotate against whom?
Guessing HK means we may now go strong against glos, racing and toulouse? And toulouse may heavily rotate?
If we lose to racing which is v possible and don't then give up on Europe we may have to go big against toulouse of course.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 09:35
Quote:charlieboaQuote:Bath HammerQuote:HK890
Good chance we now go big for Toulouse away and hope to see a rotated side and top the group.
15
Rotate against whom?
Guessing HK means we may now go strong against glos, racing and toulouse? And toulouse may heavily rotate?
If we lose to racing which is v possible and don't then give up on Europe we may have to go big against toulouse of course.
Yes I’m expecting Toulouse to rotate as they’ll have already qualified and will have a home semi. I expect us to beat Racing at home who are already out virtually. With games being spread out I think it would be a great test to see where we are
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 10:36
Quote:nigewing
Comments from Quins game were that both Finn & Ben S were cautiously stretching when they came off which makes them a risk.
Also i assume Sam Harris will be back up goal kicker?
If that's come from the Club then fair enough - silly to risk either for one game.
Also after Saints away, we started Russell with Spencer on bench vs Sale, which suggests - even with a rotated team - JvG knows how vital it is to have at least one of those in the match day squad.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 11:13
Woke up this morning in a bad mood. Can't travel to Leicester today due to recovering from operation then after a period of reflection I'm sort of glad I'm not going. My favourite pub in Leicester has closed, the game is on tv and I've saved a good amount of spondoolies. But for the sell out crowd going plus the loyal Bath supporters it does feel this "rotation" tactic is a big disappointment. I guess the Tigers fans will enjoy doing the double but I can't get the let down feeling that the travelling Bath fans will have that Bath didn't go fully loaded. Undoubtedly many other supporters would have been looking forward to seeing Finn and co. too. This safety first tactic that JVG is using does appear to have its merits and is acceptable to many on this Forum but it's going to bug me all day. I had the same moody feeling for the Sale away game. I give much appreciation to what JVG has done to make us a better team and ultimately if it ends this season in reward I will look back on today and admit it was correct, but, damn it! I'm still in a bad mood. How good it would be if the lads could pull something out of the hat, wow, that would change the mood.
ps. Watching the Gloucester side maybe that game would be ideal for rotation. But then, another sell out crowd would be disappointed.
Back to my jigsaw puzzle.
ps. Watching the Gloucester side maybe that game would be ideal for rotation. But then, another sell out crowd would be disappointed.
Back to my jigsaw puzzle.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 11:51
Sorry Francis hope your recovery is quick and the boys can give you a perfect get well present.
Just arrived at Leicester drizzle and windy, perfect Tigers weather I fear our pack will have to stand up to them today.
Still confident Come on Bath, will make New Years Eve much more bearable as we are staying with a good friend who happens to be an ex Leicester player - going to stadium early for our annual tour - always raises a few eyebrows there when I arrive with my Grest BB&W shirt on.
Just arrived at Leicester drizzle and windy, perfect Tigers weather I fear our pack will have to stand up to them today.
Still confident Come on Bath, will make New Years Eve much more bearable as we are staying with a good friend who happens to be an ex Leicester player - going to stadium early for our annual tour - always raises a few eyebrows there when I arrive with my Grest BB&W shirt on.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 12:19
Unless McNally got Crazy Glue for Xmas, and both he and Cloete got the RU Laws for Dummies, I fear the worst for today...
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Adopted Players: All of the little blighters!!!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 12:28
I accept players can’t play every game week in week out but am not in favour of the full rotation Bath have done for Sale (A) and Tigers (A)!
The academy players will develop better with First XV players alongside them and as Francis said it’s disappointing for the supporters for both teams.
But what’s the solution?
More mixed rotation but disappoint your home fans?
Scrap the playoffs, making Away wins more important but harmful to Player Welfare?
Hope Tigers turn up today and the game is not spoilt by the referee.
Francis: wishing you a speedy recovery! Which pub was it you visited?
The academy players will develop better with First XV players alongside them and as Francis said it’s disappointing for the supporters for both teams.
But what’s the solution?
More mixed rotation but disappoint your home fans?
Scrap the playoffs, making Away wins more important but harmful to Player Welfare?
Hope Tigers turn up today and the game is not spoilt by the referee.
Francis: wishing you a speedy recovery! Which pub was it you visited?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 12:30
It occurs to me that the rotation and home priority might be tied in ticket prices, why am I saying that, well it's just if you are charging £80 a ticket shouldn't fans expect:
a) To see the top players
b) To see a winning team
I sort of expect a bad start followed by a revival as the team beds in. I hope TCS gets a decent 40 minutes and shows what he is capable of.
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a) To see the top players
b) To see a winning team
I sort of expect a bad start followed by a revival as the team beds in. I hope TCS gets a decent 40 minutes and shows what he is capable of.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 13:47
Best wishes to you Francis for a speedy recovery. The Parcel Yard follows my favourite, the Swan & Rushes in not existing any more.
Safe travels to all
Safe travels to all
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 14:43
Miles Reid out.
19 year old Arthur Green on the bench.
Just what we needed..... sigh!
Go well Arthur!
19 year old Arthur Green on the bench.
Just what we needed..... sigh!
Go well Arthur!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 14:48
Thank you guys for best wishes. I've settled into my chair ready to raise my mood and hoping the new pacemaker I had for Xmas is up to the stress!!
Yes Stopsy, The Parcel Yard was a great place, became my favourite for post match chat with Leicester fans and right by the station. Always try and travel by train.
Yes Stopsy, The Parcel Yard was a great place, became my favourite for post match chat with Leicester fans and right by the station. Always try and travel by train.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:06
Steward’s shrewd but Louis’s shrewder!!!!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:26
Steward should be in the bin and it should have been a penalty try.
Thjen Dickson ignores 3 sets of hands in the ruck on their line by Tigers and lets then have the turnover.
And two tackles that targetted the knee early on.
Dickson just is incompetent.
Thjen Dickson ignores 3 sets of hands in the ruck on their line by Tigers and lets then have the turnover.
And two tackles that targetted the knee early on.
Dickson just is incompetent.
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Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:33
GJVV THICK AS CUSTARD!!!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:33
Let’s not get into blaming the ref for losing.
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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:35
Quote:OutsideBath
Let’s not get into blaming the ref for losing.
I think he’s an awful ref but has been so for both sides.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:36
Cannot buy a decision from Dickson
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:37
How have the officials concluded that is a yellow card? Tigers clearly knock on first. And it's a Tigers hand on the floor.
Another big Dickson error.
Another big Dickson error.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:37
How many mistakes can you make in a match for a referee?
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:40
So if the ball hasn't been lifted, one might argue, how is it possible to knock the ball out of his hands?!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:40
We’re compounding errors now. Very frustrating
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Posted by: SaintsAsh (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:41
Clearly the officials want my team (Saints) to stay top. Terrible officiating, everything going Tigers way.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:42
Getting beaten in contact, Wiese, Refell, Chessum.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:42
Not looking like a clever rotation selection now…
If we get thumped it could derail our momentum
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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:47
God the ref can’t even keep proper time. Is he always this poor?
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:48
Quote:Toast and Marmite
God the ref can’t even keep proper time. Is he always this poor?
Yes. He is not fit to ref national league, let alone this level. He is incompetent.
Bit of men against boys overall though.
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Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:49
Some very strange decisions.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:51
Quote:Stopsy
Some very strange decisions.
Both ways, not really biased just making mistakes all over the place.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: stephen4944 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:52
It was always going to be tough with the heavily rotated squad, but this reffing has really hurt us.
Even Healey suggesting the TDG tackle could have been a penalty try.
Then tigers hands in the ruck on their line missed.
Whilst refs don't often decide the result, he's certainly shifted the momentum in Tigers favour.
Even Healey suggesting the TDG tackle could have been a penalty try.
Then tigers hands in the ruck on their line missed.
Whilst refs don't often decide the result, he's certainly shifted the momentum in Tigers favour.
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Posted by: keithbar54 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:54
He really is the clown of the RFU feel sorry for you Bath supporters surely you should have had a penalty try with steward yellowed. Hopefully he stays away from sandy park.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:54
The margin is tough going at this stage. The blame at least can mostly place at Dickson's feet rather than our players
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:54
I’m sorry but we don’t have enough strength in depth to put out a rotated side and be competitive. Apart from a fortunate interception try, not really looked scoring again. Very disappointing and don’t fully understand the idea of putting out a team that you know has little chance of winning!
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 15:59
Quote:Dorset BoyQuote:Toast and Marmite
God the ref can’t even keep proper time. Is he always this poor?
Yes. He is not fit to ref national league, let alone this level. He is incompetent.
Well he’s ref for international games so those in power would clearly disagree with that assessment.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:00
Quote:hantssabre
Very disappointing and don’t fully understand the idea of putting out a team that you know has little chance of winning!
Its not about winning every game though, it's tactical. It's about getting in the top 4 at the end of the season, preferably with home advantage. No point in doing that if your best players are crocked or injured.
Bonus is the squad gets deeper.
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:01
Quote:stephen4944
It was always going to be tough with the heavily rotated squad, but this reffing has really hurt us.
Even Healey suggesting the TDG tackle could have been a penalty try.
Then tigers hands in the ruck on their line missed.
Whilst refs don't often decide the result, he's certainly shifted the momentum in Tigers favour.
One of the issues with Dickson is that his decisions directly influence the result. currently at least a 14 point, arguable a 21 point swing in Tigers favour due to his incompetence.
That said, I do not thing this Bath team has sufficient experience or power to win at Welford road. But boy is it frustrating when you see week after week after week Dickson getting things so wrong.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:04
Quick view from Welford Rd - Tigers power impressive but my god Dickson is appalling. Tom DG tearing down wing Steward last defender takes him round neck last defender 10m from line and Dickson does not consider Penalty try or yellow card . Bath again on Tigers line Katio hands in ruck clear as clear and he gives nothing . GVV clearly heard to say to Dickson “There are 2 teams out here Sir” take into that what you want . From where we are it looks like the Harris kick hit Montoya’s underarm on the way through which is what the touch judge said but Dickson chose again to ignore it.
Tigers good for their lead but no way should they be that far ahead imagine JVG will be apoplectic with his performance. To be fair even Tigers fans are bewildered.
Tigers good for their lead but no way should they be that far ahead imagine JVG will be apoplectic with his performance. To be fair even Tigers fans are bewildered.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:04
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:Dorset BoyQuote:Toast and Marmite
God the ref can’t even keep proper time. Is he always this poor?
Yes. He is not fit to ref national league, let alone this level. He is incompetent.
Well he’s ref for international games so those in power would clearly disagree with that assessment.
Perhaps if they were to review this game, they may have some misgivings on that.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: miller8 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:05
On the other hand hantssabre we know if we had put out our full strength team we’d win this but we have to let some games go if we are to be in the hunt at the end of the season. This game will be forgotten if we smash Glaws at the Rec…
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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:06
Jesus even Healey is incredulous at that decision
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:06
Dickson at it again
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:07
And another yellow that shouldn't have been -maul going down already. Apart from the knock on after the kick.
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Posted by: liquidmonkey (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:08
Dickson is completely incompetent
Desperate affairs require desperate measures.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:08
I'm not enjoying this but enjoying Healy having to hold back on laying into Dickson
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:09
How is this referee so highly thought of he is totally inept it is embarrassing even the home fans are shaking their heads.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:10
Quote:miller8
On the other hand hantssabre we know if we had put out our full strength team we’d win this but we have to let some games go if we are to be in the hunt at the end of the season. This game will be forgotten if we smash Glaws at the Rec…
Do we know our full strength team would win at Welford Road? Not convinced.
Personally I think the full rotation is a really good decision by JvG and shows excellent squad management.
Hopefully this decision will allow us to win both of our next 2 games.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:10
Shocking refereeing. Why aren’t hi is TJs intervening at all?
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:11
Just shown Kata's arm / shoulder to head of Bath player off the ball too.
Ignored again.
Ignored again.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: liquidmonkey (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:11
Dickson has made this unwatchable
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:12
Another Tigers knock on (by Pollard) ignored in front of him.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:14
Quote:liquidmonkey
Dickson has made this unwatchable
Yep. Very unlikely we would win with this team anyway but he has skewed it and ruined it as a spectacle
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:15
When you consider they beat us at the Rec with a very depleted team which of the two of us is the more likely to make the top 4?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:17
Making stupid decisions now
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:18
Rightly so we have to be careful of abusing officials however this man Dickson is an embarrassment and ruins games . I have just heard a female Tigers fan say this is just stupid you cannot be so biased it is ruining our day and game.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:19
Was it a long-ago rumour, or do match officials get reviewed after a game?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:21
Quote:Bath Hammer
When you consider they beat us at the Rec with a very depleted team which of the two of us is the more likely to make the top 4?
You’re reading too much into a game that the weather turned into an absolute lottery. Pretty sure Tigers would rather be in our table position than theirs.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:25
Quote:OutsideBathQuote:Dorset BoyQuote:Toast and Marmite
God the ref can’t even keep proper time. Is he always this poor?
Yes. He is not fit to ref national league, let alone this level. He is incompetent.
Well he’s ref for international games so those in power would clearly disagree with that assessment.
Those in power have invested a fair bit of money and time in his pathway, so I'm not surprised he gets chances
I remember his learning to become a ref while still a player getting covered on TV close to 10 years ago, he's been officiating around this level for at least 5, and yet he seems to get worse every time I see him
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Barnoid (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:29
It's easy to get caught up in the performance of the officials and our rotated team but credit to Tigers. They can only play what's in front of them and so far are doing it well.
I also think Hame Faiva has looked decent around the park and at set piece time so far.
I also think Hame Faiva has looked decent around the park and at set piece time so far.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:30
We have under resourced the breakdown all game
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:30
Quote:Toast and MarmiteQuote:Bath Hammer
When you consider they beat us at the Rec with a very depleted team which of the two of us is the more likely to make the top 4?
You’re reading too much into a game that the weather turned into an absolute lottery. Pretty sure Tigers would rather be in our table position than theirs.
JvG has massively improved Bath, we are now fun to watch and we have a team to be proud of again. However IMO we are not a top 4 side yet.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:30
Sam Harris at 10, I think?
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:31
So Leicester don't have elbows that make contact with the ground past the ball then?!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:36
We look rudderless and are making really bad decisions
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: miller8 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:36
I think Leicester are in for a reality check in their next game. I think normality will be resumed next weekend for both these teams
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:39
Quote:Apologies for quoting myself but I meant to add that the effort has been much better this half tbf and we have been better defensively. Just frustrating when we attackToast and Marmite
We look rudderless and are making really bad decisions
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Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:40
Ewan Richards OUTSTANDING since coming on!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:41
And as if to prove my point another simple pass thrown into touch…
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:42
Good try from Hennessy
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:43
Hennessy try! Pleased for him.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:45
Its half the academy in the backs!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:48
Ojomoh showing some nice maturity at the end of this game after a difficult period earlier
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:49
First of all, congrats to Tigers on the win. We seem to have forgotten they were pretty depleted too so I am not sure whether our first choice would have beaten their first choice, but they have done the double over us. So well done.
My how the poor was the officiating from Dickson, however where was the TMO is all this if the mistakes he made were as obvious as we all think they were. In the matches on TV over the weekend there was constant chats between officials on the pitch and when needed the TMO was involved. Honestly why was Dickson not alerted to the many wrong decisions. I am by no men defending him but the officials are supposed to work as a team of four. I can't work out if they are afraid to call Dickson out or whether he thinks he never makes an error so does not consult. Not saying it affected the result but they certainly made it difficult to understand and follow.
I am amazed he is allowed to ref international matches but I can only hope the TMO and TJs get more involved than they have today.
My how the poor was the officiating from Dickson, however where was the TMO is all this if the mistakes he made were as obvious as we all think they were. In the matches on TV over the weekend there was constant chats between officials on the pitch and when needed the TMO was involved. Honestly why was Dickson not alerted to the many wrong decisions. I am by no men defending him but the officials are supposed to work as a team of four. I can't work out if they are afraid to call Dickson out or whether he thinks he never makes an error so does not consult. Not saying it affected the result but they certainly made it difficult to understand and follow.
I am amazed he is allowed to ref international matches but I can only hope the TMO and TJs get more involved than they have today.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:49
One real plus point is that our second line scrum has given Leicester absolutely nothing.
Also played right to the last.
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Also played right to the last.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:50
Mojo might get some stick and needs composure but the best of the two 12s on the pitch. Harris has blistering pace and played very well.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:51
3 penalties in red zone Dickson does not even think about yellow. Worst performance I have seen from an official in a long long time.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:52
Be in no doubt we were beaten comfortably, but this hasn't been an embarrassment
As much as some on here may dislike it, I'm sure JvG will travel back tonight comfortable in his decision
As much as some on here may dislike it, I'm sure JvG will travel back tonight comfortable in his decision
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: liquidmonkey (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:54
Quote:Absolutely dreadful refereeing. We’d probably still have lost but it would have been more of a contestAli1969
3 penalties in red zone Dickson does not even think about yellow. Worst performance I have seen from an official in a long long time.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:56
Quote:A.M 180
Be in no doubt we were beaten comfortably, but this hasn't been an embarrassment
As much as some on here may dislike it, I'm sure JvG will travel back tonight comfortable in his decision
Agree with this, lots of lessons learned in a baptism of fire. You would have thought against so few Premiership appearances in this team Tigers should have run away with it.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 16:57
Quote:liquidmonkeyQuote:Absolutely dreadful refereeing. We’d probably still have lost but it would have been more of a contestAli1969
3 penalties in red zone Dickson does not even think about yellow. Worst performance I have seen from an official in a long long time.
And more of a spectacle for everyone watching
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:00
Well done tigers, better by someway today, but hugely aided by Dickson who just stole any momentum away.
21+ point swing in any game due to officating is going to destroy one side, but don't think we would have come out on top anyway.
The kids stood up well in the second half but need some added composure, which might have come with Spencer or Russell in the squad. However they will have learnt a lotfrom today.
But honestly. the why is dickson allowed anywhere near this level. We can't all be stupid in spotting his incompetence in almost every game he takes charge of, (or sits as TMO for). His errors aren't even marginal, they're massive, and impact results regularly (not just Bath games btw).
21+ point swing in any game due to officating is going to destroy one side, but don't think we would have come out on top anyway.
The kids stood up well in the second half but need some added composure, which might have come with Spencer or Russell in the squad. However they will have learnt a lotfrom today.
But honestly. the why is dickson allowed anywhere near this level. We can't all be stupid in spotting his incompetence in almost every game he takes charge of, (or sits as TMO for). His errors aren't even marginal, they're massive, and impact results regularly (not just Bath games btw).
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:06
The highlight of that game was watching it with a 6 year old who kept shouting "Mr Twit, Mr Twit!" at the TV. Unlike (I suspect) much of Bath she was shouting it at George Martin rather than Karl Dickson.
I do think he gets too much stick but when you put in a performance like that it feels at least a little justified. That said Tigers played well and Baths rotation team put in a decent performance too.
I do think he gets too much stick but when you put in a performance like that it feels at least a little justified. That said Tigers played well and Baths rotation team put in a decent performance too.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:10
View from an Ex Leicester player “Referee without doubt ruined the game Dickson not up to standard but we all know that, he clearly has some significant dirt on someone important to keep being given these appointments . Believe Tigers would have won today by about 7 points but Dickson was utterly incompetent and Tigers were lucky not to have Kato sent off - am fully expecting a sighting and a considerable ban. Dickson not helped by Touch judges who may as well not have been here today, however Dickson has ruined what would have been a good Tigers today win when will the RFU realise this man is not good enough. Thought this young Bath side stood up pretty well considering the strength of the Tigers and the adversity they experienced with the officiating, honestly think Bath have a rosey future if they continue on their path - now you owe me a pint”
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: The Dorset Screw (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:24
Whilst it’s frustrating to lose any game given our current form, from what I heard on-line and from some of the comments on here, it wasn’t the embarrassment that many (including myself) predicted, especially given what would charitably be termed some “interesting officiating.”
With eight games to go, three points separate the top six, with three of the other top five teams yet to come to The Rec. Of the four remaining away games, two (Bristol and Newcastle) are very winnable on current form, so nil desperandum everyone. Disappointing today undoubtedly, but hopefully seen through the ‘end of season’ lens, not a disaster.
With eight games to go, three points separate the top six, with three of the other top five teams yet to come to The Rec. Of the four remaining away games, two (Bristol and Newcastle) are very winnable on current form, so nil desperandum everyone. Disappointing today undoubtedly, but hopefully seen through the ‘end of season’ lens, not a disaster.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:28
First game we haven’t take a point from this season. Feels like JVG’s calculation that we could/should have had a point from the game - and would have ended the day 2= - was a reasonable one.
Feel a bit for Bailey, in particular. He surely deserves a start in a fully-loaded XV.
Feel a bit for Bailey, in particular. He surely deserves a start in a fully-loaded XV.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:40
Performance was good enough for 2 points at least. Both Pen Try’s decisions were wrong (Coetzee and TDG). Have to look past that and still only 2 points off the top.
Some standout performances from Coetzee and Ojomoh. Schreduer Bailey TDG all had very nice moments in the game. Very long season and great to see so many academy players doing so well. Onto the next one and looking forward to seeing everyone back.
Some standout performances from Coetzee and Ojomoh. Schreduer Bailey TDG all had very nice moments in the game. Very long season and great to see so many academy players doing so well. Onto the next one and looking forward to seeing everyone back.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:44
I think Ojomoh displayed in this game why talk of his joining the England squad at present is somewhat premature.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:49
Quote:Optimist
First game we haven’t take a point from this season. Feels like JVG’s calculation that we could/should have had a point from the game - and would have ended the day 2= - was a reasonable one.
Feel a bit for Bailey, in particular. He surely deserves a start in a fully-loaded XV.
Agree, everything was always going backwards for him, Screuder doesn’t suit him as a 9 either. Stopped Kata a couple of times just needs to play off go forward ball.
Must be room for Richards in future games too surely?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:51
Quote:Bath Hammer
I think Ojomoh displayed in this game why talk of his joining the England squad at present is somewhat premature.
Rough diamond atm, definitely has talent but needs more game time under his belt
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:52
Ref not good today but so were we. It's so easy to blame the ref for making mistakes (and they try their best - if that isn't good enough it is not our place to abuse them) but how many missed tackles, dropped balls, overpasses and not even competing for high balls did we partake in.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:54
Quote:OutsideBath
Let’s not get into blaming the ref for losing.
We made too many errors to claim that.
However, if anybody in authority in Premiership Rugby or Premiership Refereees thinks that was an even handed, consistent or even half-way competent display by Dickson (and his supporting officials), then I shudder for the state of the game.
PG
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:55
Quote:Bath Hammer
I think Ojomoh displayed in this game why talk of his joining the England squad at present is somewhat premature.
Agree BH needs to be more composed rather than throw these massive speculative passes, he has all the skills mind.
Clive Woodward picked Steward at 12 for the 2027 RWC, I just don’t see it.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 17:57
There are few people in rugby more out of touch then Clive Woodward.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:04
Quote:P G TipsQuote:OutsideBath
Let’s not get into blaming the ref for losing.
We made too many errors to claim that.
However, if anybody in authority in Premiership Rugby or Premiership Refereees thinks that was an even handed, consistent or even half-way competent display by Dickson (and his supporting officials), then I shudder for the state of the game.
PG
Absolutely.
And sadly Dickson regularly puts in performances that are so far sub par so often if really beggars belief that he is anywhere near this league. His incompetence impacts results more than mistakes by players.
We didn't play well after the non-penalty try, and then forced it too much when Tigers were getting the subsequent decisions. Had we been 14-0 up and Tigers down to 14 for 10 minutes, who knows how the game may have panned out.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:04
Afraid I called this when I saw the officials and the team sheet but there were positives. Ewan Richards maybe ahead of McNally in the pecking order now he transformed the line out. We have a lot of pace in our back division. And the academy lads got some game time.
I would like to say that every ref makes mistakes and misses things - all you ask for in a ref is consistency even handed for both sides…mr Dickson just wasn’t.
I would like to say that every ref makes mistakes and misses things - all you ask for in a ref is consistency even handed for both sides…mr Dickson just wasn’t.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:10
Why didn't the TMO or Asst Refs call them?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:12
Both sides made too many errors, in particular the passing into touch on a narrow pitch. I was amazed at how long it took for the first scrum to be awarded given the conditions. A good performance from those representing Bath today but the selection was, to my mind, more to blame than the abysmal refereeing performance.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:16
Quote:Optimist
Feel a bit for Bailey, in particular. He surely deserves a start in a fully-loaded XV.
Having this conversation re Manu Vunpola on our site. It's hard being no2 to "the King" as when you tend to get your chances it's in a 2nd or 3rd team and people often judge what the no1 choice would have done but don't often consider that they rarely have to play in the 2nds team. Also if you do get your shot in the fully-loaded XV then any mistakes (even if they're ones the no1 choice might have made) will be magnified.
I think JVG made a good call. Good experience for the wider team, no injuries (I think) and a decent result against a pretty fully loaded Tigers. In the mean time the main XV got a bit of a rest.
Do you think Russell is on a limited games contract or is he just being carefully managed?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:30
The proof of the success of the approach will be in the results across the next four weeks. Win them all (or, at least, all bar Toulouse) and all will be well. And in the rest of the season we don't have to travel to Saints, Sarries, Tigers or Sale.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
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Date: 31/12/2023 18:31
Hope this works isn’t Austin bang on?
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:31
Interesting thought that OM - could a marquee player have a clause that stipulates a maximum number of appearances/ minutes per season/month? I can’t imagine that - but could be part of the player’s decision around the contract, their trust in the coach’s promise to not flog them to injury.
If anything, I feel that Russell would happily play every game. My memory is hazy, but didn’t he put in more minutes for Scotland in warm-ups/WC than was entirely necessary?
If anything, I feel that Russell would happily play every game. My memory is hazy, but didn’t he put in more minutes for Scotland in warm-ups/WC than was entirely necessary?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
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Date: 31/12/2023 18:40
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:42
Quote:CoochieCoo
Hope this works isn’t Austin bang on?
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
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Date: 31/12/2023 18:43
Quote:
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:45
Nor for me, CC.
What is it about?
PG
What is it about?
PG
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:48
Quote:Optimist
Interesting thought that OM - could a marquee player have a clause that stipulates a maximum number of appearances/ minutes per season/month? I can’t imagine that - but could be part of the player’s decision around the contract, their trust in the coach’s promise to not flog them to injury.
If anything, I feel that Russell would happily play every game. My memory is hazy, but didn’t he put in more minutes for Scotland in warm-ups/WC than was entirely necessary?
There's so few games now, I just don't see it
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 18:50
I can take defeat reasonably well now I am older but find it tough to take a bad refs performance and, for some reason, losing to a team with Mike Brown in it.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
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Date: 31/12/2023 18:55
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 19:00
Quote:B4thB4ck
I can take defeat reasonably well now I am older but find it tough to take a bad refs performance and, for some reason, losing to a team with Mike Brown in it.
Totally agree with that, especially about Mike Brown……he could start a fight in an empty room !
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 19:14
Quote:No one is debating the high tackle even Mr Dickson gave a penalty. It’s the lack of review for yellow card and penalty try.
Especially when he reviewed his own decision of held up over the line for Leicester. Where is the consistency?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 19:21
Quote:TG KesmoQuote:No one is debating the high tackle even Mr Dickson gave a penalty. It’s the lack of review for yellow card and penalty try.
Especially when he reviewed his own decision of held up over the line for Leicester. Where is the consistency?
Austin in commentary said that it should have been more than just a pen.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 19:27
Quote:Old Bath TubQuote:B4thB4ck
I can take defeat reasonably well now I am older but find it tough to take a bad refs performance and, for some reason, losing to a team with Mike Brown in it.
Totally agree with that, especially about Mike Brown……he could start a fight in an empty room !
He could.
Equally annoying is the Tigers’ habit of scrapping when scored against at the end of a match.
They will no doubt claim that Cloete started it, but to be fair, he was in a headlock when Richards went over and was neck rolled every time he attempted a jackal.
PG
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 19:35
Not trying to start another fight but I thought Deglanville was going down before Stewart made contact. Certainly seen yellow cards for less.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 19:59
I know Bath were nowhere near full strength but bear in mind Tigers were without Cole, Liebenberg, JVP, Youngs, Hassell-Collins, Bassett, Claire, Henderson, Porter, Dolly from our 23.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 20:00
Quote:I have seen worse TBH but these things are always judged in the context of similar decisions in the same game of course.Stopsy
Not trying to start another fight but I thought Deglanville was going down before Stewart made contact. Certainly seen yellow cards for less.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 20:11
Tough one to take with Dickson having a very off day. Easily led by the crowd. Felt like tigers were allowed to get away with murder but Bath were under the microscope. Normally I think decisions even themselves out over time but didn’t think this was the case today. Don’t think we would win but the entertainment factor of a fair contest was definitely ruined.
Was hoping that our front 5 would impose themselves a bit more than they did today. McNally is becoming a real penalty magnet. Bailey should have switched up attack a bit, cross field kicks or small chips over the rushing defence wouldn’t have gone a miss. Didn’t feel as though we really started playing until the game was gone from us.
Good to see Richards get a go, and Hennessy. Both looked good off the bench.
Was hoping that our front 5 would impose themselves a bit more than they did today. McNally is becoming a real penalty magnet. Bailey should have switched up attack a bit, cross field kicks or small chips over the rushing defence wouldn’t have gone a miss. Didn’t feel as though we really started playing until the game was gone from us.
Good to see Richards get a go, and Hennessy. Both looked good off the bench.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 21:43
Well that was a shambles from the suicidal selection policy, to the men against boys performance, to the completely inept officiating.
Let's not kid ourselves, that could have got very ugly if tigers hadn't taken off most of their best players after 50 or so mins!
I understand the selection strategy, i understand you can only really judge it at the end of the season but so far we have basically 'thrown' 3 winnable away games and are 4th. How will we approach bris away, exeter away etc...
Fair play to leic , they were ultra physical- I thought even our second string would stand up better than that. Credit to leic for that.
Positives:
Don't think we got any injuries?
Completely fresh team next week if we want
First prem try for hennessey and well done for not letting the mighty Mike brown bully you at the end
Mojo a real mixed bag but some nice moments
Richards excellent off the bench- love that guy, give him more game time
Well done John Stewart for hitting your man at several lineouts.
Harris was brave and quick- will be a class act
Tdg is a player I love watching and thought he was a real threat today
Good spirit to literally fight til the end and get a few consolation tries
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Let's not kid ourselves, that could have got very ugly if tigers hadn't taken off most of their best players after 50 or so mins!
I understand the selection strategy, i understand you can only really judge it at the end of the season but so far we have basically 'thrown' 3 winnable away games and are 4th. How will we approach bris away, exeter away etc...
Fair play to leic , they were ultra physical- I thought even our second string would stand up better than that. Credit to leic for that.
Positives:
Don't think we got any injuries?
Completely fresh team next week if we want
First prem try for hennessey and well done for not letting the mighty Mike brown bully you at the end
Mojo a real mixed bag but some nice moments
Richards excellent off the bench- love that guy, give him more game time
Well done John Stewart for hitting your man at several lineouts.
Harris was brave and quick- will be a class act
Tdg is a player I love watching and thought he was a real threat today
Good spirit to literally fight til the end and get a few consolation tries
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 21:48
Quote:A2O
I know Bath were nowhere near full strength but bear in mind Tigers were without Cole, Liebenberg, JVP, Youngs, Hassell-Collins, Bassett, Claire, Henderson, Porter, Dolly from our 23.
Congrats on the win. Thought your guys really laid down a marker on the physicality- we never fired a shot or got any kind of foothold in the game. Completely outmuscled, was impressive as thought our pack would stand up to you better than that.
I think your win at the rec was more impressive- little bit like shooting fish in a barrell today sadly. Can only beat what is in front of you and can only thank you for subbing off your best players after 50 to allow the scoreline to flatter us!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 21:58
Quote:Optimist
Feel a bit for Bailey, in particular. He surely deserves a start in a fully-loaded XV.
Fascinated to see if he signs a new contract.
Personally feel our management of him has been appalling.
Throw him in at 19 to see if he sinks or swims.
Totally screw up his kicking with a new coach.
He otherwise swims and outperforms many of his seniors so we sign a marquee 10- I have no issue with that, finn is class and improves us hugely, no brainer.
Only play him in a second team in away games, or give him 2 mins when finn is tired.
Sub him off today.
I know others will totally disagree but I think he has been treated really shabbily.
Hopefully he is mature enough to realise he is still only 22 and learning off finn at bath is a good place to be.... but only if he gets a fair crack of the whip sometimes.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 22:13
Quote:charlieboaQuote:Optimist
Feel a bit for Bailey, in particular. He surely deserves a start in a fully-loaded XV.
Fascinated to see if he signs a new contract.
Personally feel our management of him has been appalling.
Throw him in at 19 to see if he sinks or swims.
Totally screw up his kicking with a new coach.
He otherwise swims and outperforms many of his seniors so we sign a marquee 10- I have no issue with that, finn is class and improves us hugely, no brainer.
Only play him in a second team in away games, or give him 2 mins when finn is tired.
Sub him off today.
I know others will totally disagree but I think he has been treated really shabbily.
Hopefully he is mature enough to realise he is still only 22 and learning off finn at bath is a good place to be.... but only if he gets a fair crack of the whip sometimes.
Where exactly is he going to go to be a starter? If he’s sensible he’ll be learning everything he can off Finn and working hard to improve.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 22:20
I think he would be silly to move OB and I don't think there are many clubs he would be a starter at currently as the prem is packed with good 10s.
Glos or bris may be a decent fit tbf....or exeter.
I hope he stays and learns off one of the best but I think we have treated him shabbily looking from the outside in. Put it this way I wouldn't blame him if he wanted a fresh start.
Harris is class but would ideally want him to stay as third choice 15 / third choice 10 for another season as long as he was getting some game time.
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Glos or bris may be a decent fit tbf....or exeter.
I hope he stays and learns off one of the best but I think we have treated him shabbily looking from the outside in. Put it this way I wouldn't blame him if he wanted a fresh start.
Harris is class but would ideally want him to stay as third choice 15 / third choice 10 for another season as long as he was getting some game time.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 23:06
Any idea what the issue was with miles reid?
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 31/12/2023 23:34
The yellow cards killed the game for us. The young guns rescued some respect from what could have turned into a horror story.
Struggle to understand the surprise at Dicksons performance. He is always poor, too interested in being the centre of attention. Utterly incompetent fool. He makes Carley look good.
On a positive, I thought Harris was good, TDG looked hungry and Richards looked powerful.
Struggle to understand the surprise at Dicksons performance. He is always poor, too interested in being the centre of attention. Utterly incompetent fool. He makes Carley look good.
On a positive, I thought Harris was good, TDG looked hungry and Richards looked powerful.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 00:08
Just watched the game. Pretty disappointed with that display to be honest. A second late in thought and deed in the forwards and no apparent desire to ability to play any actual rugby in the backs. You'd hope that it was just one of those days because, if we are *that* dependent on Finn Russell, then we have a problem. Losing at Welford Road is no disgrace but losing without even firing a shot is unforgivable. And strongly reminiscent of the not-too-recent past.
My MOTM - Sam Harris. Looked like he belonged. Shame most of his team mates didn't.
And a word for the ref. Dickson likes to let the game flow and to make quick decisions to keep things moving even if they are not strictly according to the Laws. He makes mistakes and they mostly even out. Mostly...
... IMHO, of course.
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My MOTM - Sam Harris. Looked like he belonged. Shame most of his team mates didn't.
And a word for the ref. Dickson likes to let the game flow and to make quick decisions to keep things moving even if they are not strictly according to the Laws. He makes mistakes and they mostly even out. Mostly...
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 00:38
I’m not sure Russell would have made a big difference we were soundly beaten up front by Weise, Chessum Martin and Reffell.
McNally has dropped off badly, GJVV fell foul of the ref (ball deviated to riches in flight)
TdT and Richards mad a difference but by then we just had a collectin of back players who were all strangers.
Big lesson JvG will have learned is he needs to sort out the lock situation and Harris is way older than he actually is. He is ridiculously fast and could play anywhere.
Really hope Bailey stays but I think his development has stalled, reminiscent of Adam Hastings but he turned out OK.
JvG is ruthless with the youngsters but he won’t turn his back on them. He may have been subbed but he actually had a decent game. He just has to stick it out. I think he can do that.
Problem might be that Harris overtakes him!
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McNally has dropped off badly, GJVV fell foul of the ref (ball deviated to riches in flight)
TdT and Richards mad a difference but by then we just had a collectin of back players who were all strangers.
Big lesson JvG will have learned is he needs to sort out the lock situation and Harris is way older than he actually is. He is ridiculously fast and could play anywhere.
Really hope Bailey stays but I think his development has stalled, reminiscent of Adam Hastings but he turned out OK.
JvG is ruthless with the youngsters but he won’t turn his back on them. He may have been subbed but he actually had a decent game. He just has to stick it out. I think he can do that.
Problem might be that Harris overtakes him!
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 07:38
Quote:joethefanatic
And strongly reminiscent of the not-too-recent past
This for me. Felt like I was watching a Bath team from the start of last season before we acquired Annett, Lawrence, Hill and now Finn for this one. The bookies had it right and I wasn't expecting any other outcome. I hope the rotation plan works and we beat Glaws/R92 at home before we probably send another "shadow" team to Toulouse.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 09:21
Quote:joethefanatic
Just watched the game. Pretty disappointed with that display to be honest. A second late in thought and deed in the forwards and no apparent desire to ability to play any actual rugby in the backs. You'd hope that it was just one of those days because, if we are *that* dependent on Finn Russell, then we have a problem. Losing at Welford Road is no disgrace but losing without even firing a shot is unforgivable. And strongly reminiscent of the not-too-recent past.
Yes, that match did take the gloss off where we are currently. I had hoped that the transformation that we have seen in the first team would have rubbed off on the whole squad. It seems we have quite a problem with strength in depth, or lack of it. We will need many of these players during the 6 Nations & whilst we are in the top 4 we have others breathing down our necks. Hopefully we”(( have enough to get into the top 4 but top 2 - I think not.
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 09:26
To me it was the experienced forwards that didn't turn up. Also I don't think there were that many scrums in the first half (I seem to recall the first one wasn't until about 30 mins) so we never got a chance to see whether our heavyweight pack could have worn their power players out a bit more.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Rampant (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 09:32
Nice to see Leicester's First team is only 13 points better than Bath's 2nd team 😉
Im glad JvG did what he did and I'd be more than happy for him to do it again. We've heard we have one of the biggest squads in the Prem, so we need to test the fringe players so we know who to keep.
Top 4 is the goal, but 2nd place is fine for me
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Im glad JvG did what he did and I'd be more than happy for him to do it again. We've heard we have one of the biggest squads in the Prem, so we need to test the fringe players so we know who to keep.
Top 4 is the goal, but 2nd place is fine for me
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 09:37
Quote:No games during the 6N, albeit a few players might need playing time managed afterwards. I think it's hard to assess strength in depth when you put a side like this together for one game. Integrate 4 or 5 of any of those players into the side that beat Quins and I don't think there would be an issue, the 9-10 axis excepted. Do agree that Bailey needs to be given more game time for that reason amongst others.Bath HammerQuote:Yes, that match did take the gloss off where we are currently. I had hoped that the transformation that we have seen in the first team would have rubbed off on the whole squad. It seems we have quite a problem with strength in depth, or lack of it. We will need many of these players during the 6 Nations & whilst we are in the top 4 we have others breathing down our necks. Hopefully we”(( have enough to get into the top 4 but top 2 - I think not.joethefanatic
Just watched the game. Pretty disappointed with that display to be honest. A second late in thought and deed in the forwards and no apparent desire to ability to play any actual rugby in the backs. You'd hope that it was just one of those days because, if we are *that* dependent on Finn Russell, then we have a problem. Losing at Welford Road is no disgrace but losing without even firing a shot is unforgivable. And strongly reminiscent of the not-too-recent past.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 09:59
I don't really have any concerns about our strength in depth to be honest- it's just selection suicide to play a complete second choice pack away at Tigers (3rd choice in faiva, and don't think gjvv or cloete would make my second team either, so basically a combo of second and third stringers against a leic pack with several internationals!).
The one element of selection that confused me was if you are effectively throwing a game why risk crucial players in stuart and tdt!? Thank god they came through fine.
I said a defeat by less than 20 would be a good achievement with that 23. The negative of that is that if leic had kept their best players on after 50 mins and kept their foot to the peddle it realistically would have been more than 20. On the positive the young guys plus tdt did well off the bench. Was really proud of their efforts to get the scoreboard respectable.
The one element of selection that confused me was if you are effectively throwing a game why risk crucial players in stuart and tdt!? Thank god they came through fine.
I said a defeat by less than 20 would be a good achievement with that 23. The negative of that is that if leic had kept their best players on after 50 mins and kept their foot to the peddle it realistically would have been more than 20. On the positive the young guys plus tdt did well off the bench. Was really proud of their efforts to get the scoreboard respectable.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 10:07
I don’t think we can have it both ways on this game - saying that we don’t have enough strength in depth whilst calling that our 2nd/3rd team. If that was genuinely a 2nd team, then it absolutely did prove that we’ve got good strength in depth. The great thing is that our ‘1st’ team is setting a way higher bar this year.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 10:16
I think my point is if we had a combo of front line/ second choices/third choices we should be competitive in all games.
We chose to have basically 2 or 3 frontline players in a 23.
Our depth I think is perfectly fine- that was just way too big a challenge that jvg set that group. I think its the first time they have misjudged a selection. As I say why risk some premier players in a 23 that had next to no chance of getting anything from the game. Always looked a muddled selection to me.
We have bris, exeter, quins, Newcastle away still- v interested to see what we do there. You can't keep naming heavily rotated teams in an 18 game season and expect to get top 2. We are close though, only 1 point off, so going v well so far, the fact we are talking about top 2 as realistic is a delightful position! I do think we will need to win at least of those away games though which feels v achievable tbh.
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We chose to have basically 2 or 3 frontline players in a 23.
Our depth I think is perfectly fine- that was just way too big a challenge that jvg set that group. I think its the first time they have misjudged a selection. As I say why risk some premier players in a 23 that had next to no chance of getting anything from the game. Always looked a muddled selection to me.
We have bris, exeter, quins, Newcastle away still- v interested to see what we do there. You can't keep naming heavily rotated teams in an 18 game season and expect to get top 2. We are close though, only 1 point off, so going v well so far, the fact we are talking about top 2 as realistic is a delightful position! I do think we will need to win at least of those away games though which feels v achievable tbh.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 10:32
I'm not so sure CB. Doesn't it depend on whether the squad limits are applied. )35 plus additional u20s/academy players allowed.)
If so it's a wake up call for everyone.
Sorry but to suddenly state yesterdays performance was reminiscent of a return to recent failing is just not considering the bigger picture.
These young players have been exposed to a premiership battle, some have come out well others have work to do but it has to be remembered that our best players will fresh and vital for the next home match.
It's unrealistic to think we can win every game, all we need is to have our best team fit and qualified for the end of season finals.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
If so it's a wake up call for everyone.
Sorry but to suddenly state yesterdays performance was reminiscent of a return to recent failing is just not considering the bigger picture.
These young players have been exposed to a premiership battle, some have come out well others have work to do but it has to be remembered that our best players will fresh and vital for the next home match.
It's unrealistic to think we can win every game, all we need is to have our best team fit and qualified for the end of season finals.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 10:36
As I know the score I have no intention of watching the game. What the result does suggest to me is our squad players aren’t as good as we’d like and the drop off in certain positions is huge, 9&10 for example.
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Posted by: Widcombe boy (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 10:46
Disappointed but understand the need to rest a lot of players, before two important home games. I think that JVG has the players on board and gives the very young players interested. Maybe worth giving Orlando some extra minutes at 12 &10.
Leicester’s forwards were very good and were fired up after their loss last week, and won the physical battle.
One thing I did notice was that we challenged virtually every Leicester Lineout. Presumably part of the game plan but left us vulnerable to the maul.
I really hope that we come back firing for the next few games and fingers crossed Miles Read is ok, he’s so important to us with Hill out.
Dickson well it’s been covered just not good at all, surely his reviews make poor reading….
Widcombe Garçon
Leicester’s forwards were very good and were fired up after their loss last week, and won the physical battle.
One thing I did notice was that we challenged virtually every Leicester Lineout. Presumably part of the game plan but left us vulnerable to the maul.
I really hope that we come back firing for the next few games and fingers crossed Miles Read is ok, he’s so important to us with Hill out.
Dickson well it’s been covered just not good at all, surely his reviews make poor reading….
Widcombe Garçon
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 10:47
Quote:OutsideBath
As I know the score I have no intention of watching the game. What the result does suggest to me is our squad players aren’t as good as we’d like and the drop off in certain positions is huge, 9&10 for example.
I don't get that, how can you comment on the quality of squad players if you don't watch them play.
Did you do the same for the Fulham v Arsenal game knowing the result?
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 11:00
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:OutsideBath
As I know the score I have no intention of watching the game. What the result does suggest to me is our squad players aren’t as good as we’d like and the drop off in certain positions is huge, 9&10 for example.
I don't get that, how can you comment on the quality of squad players if you don't watch them play.
Did you do the same for the Fulham v Arsenal game knowing the result?
Don’t get me started on Arsenal recent results prove they are hopeless, starting with the substandard goalkeeper.
As for Bath surely if the squad players were at the level we’d like they might have beaten a depleted Tigers? Remember how Saracens used to be? It didn’t matter who they put out there would be a good performance.
Don’t get me wrong, I am delighted at the progress Bath have made under JvG, but we aren’t strong enough across the whole squad yet.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 11:11
Quote:shipwrecked
I'm not so sure CB. Doesn't it depend on whether the squad limits are applied. )35 plus additional u20s/academy players allowed.)
If so it's a wake up call for everyone.
Sorry but to suddenly state yesterdays performance was reminiscent of a return to recent failing is just not considering the bigger picture.
These young players have been exposed to a premiership battle, some have come out well others have work to do but it has to be remembered that our best players will fresh and vital for the next home match.
It's unrealistic to think we can win every game, all we need is to have our best team fit and qualified for the end of season finals.
Happy NY SW!
Assume you are referring to someone else in terms of saying its reminiscent of a return to recent failings- have seen a few saying that but I don't agree personally.
I don't think that's the case, I simply think if you name a 23 made up of 2nd and third choice players away to leic you will lose badly.
I certainly see value in playing the young guys who did brilliantly. I have always said with 2 or 3 more frontline players in that 23 I felt we had a chance of a LBP and/or a 4 try BP. Felt like we gave ourselves zero chance of anything.
We could have put stewart, richards, TCS, harris , hennessey into a really loaded 23 next week and beat glos imho.
As you say we won't win every game but I think at minimum you should select a squad with a chance of getting 1 or 2 pts from a game. The only silver lining for me was the guts shown from some young lads which I agree will stand us and them in good stead.
I know I am bring a bit illogical at times but I am a rugbh man of 40 years, brought up on bath vs Leicester rivalry. It just never felt right but I admit I am a dinosaur and if we finish top 2 alls well that's ends well.
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Posted by: Quel Carreleur (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 11:15
Quote:How many of them? For that matter, how many matches have we got during the 6N, whilst we have others breathing down our necks (hint, it's a very round number)Bath Hammer
We will need many of these players during the 6 Nations & whilst we are in the top 4 we have others breathing down our necks.
RAEBURN SHIELD
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Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 11:36
I thought this season was the first with no (Premiership) matches in the 6 Nations window?
Players still might be unavailable for some fixtures due to being called into camp and the mandated rest after ofc.
Players still might be unavailable for some fixtures due to being called into camp and the mandated rest after ofc.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 11:39
One thing i would say is let's reward the guys who stood up yesterday.
For me that's ensuring the likes of richards, harris, tdg get another go in the next 4 weeks. Maybe Stewart and hennessey but they are further behind in their development I think.
Harris at fb with tdg on the wing is a combo that excites me!
Any news on miles reid? Fingers crossed
For me that's ensuring the likes of richards, harris, tdg get another go in the next 4 weeks. Maybe Stewart and hennessey but they are further behind in their development I think.
Harris at fb with tdg on the wing is a combo that excites me!
Any news on miles reid? Fingers crossed
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 11:55
One reason for the heavy rotation could be injury/illness.
The commentators certainly mentioned illness (perhaps the reason for Reid's late withdrawal?) and we know that Sam Underhill had been absent with a leg injury for two weeks. Barbeary looked in pain when he left the field v Quins. Possibly some other forwards were carrying knocks and JvG did not wish to risk them?
Spencer also had an issue - cramp or hamstring?
PG
The commentators certainly mentioned illness (perhaps the reason for Reid's late withdrawal?) and we know that Sam Underhill had been absent with a leg injury for two weeks. Barbeary looked in pain when he left the field v Quins. Possibly some other forwards were carrying knocks and JvG did not wish to risk them?
Spencer also had an issue - cramp or hamstring?
PG
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Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 11:59
Think it was Lee Blackett that said pre match it had always been the intention from the beginning of the season to rotate heavily for yesterday’s match.
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:06
Quote:Optimist
I don’t think we can have it both ways on this game - saying that we don’t have enough strength in depth whilst calling that our 2nd/3rd team. If that was genuinely a 2nd team, then it absolutely did prove that we’ve got good strength in depth. The great thing is that our ‘1st’ team is setting a way higher bar this year.
Conversely our first team was beaten at home by their almost 2nd team!
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:09
Quote:tigersimon
Think it was Lee Blackett that said pre match it had always been the intention from the beginning of the season to rotate heavily for yesterday’s match.
Jvg has said similar in recent interviews- have a top level plan for the season but willing to tweak it as they go along.
That's where my slight gripe is- assumption at start of season was prob that leic would be going well and it would be v low percentage game to target.
In reality they were 8th, quite a few injuries, a few rested...gave us a decent chance Iof something i think.
Glos looked a bit of a shambles to me on Saturday and are in poor form with lots of players missing. I think we should have been aiming and giving ourselves a chance of 6 points from the 2 games.
Pgt- it's a really good and fair point. I endlessly speculate with no inside knowledge these days and in the absence of an update for a few weeks from the club I have no idea who is injured and/ or ill. Certainly feels in the backrow we prob had v few options. Fingers crossed miles just had a dicky belly or a mild case of man flu and comes back fresh next week.
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:12
Quote:Quel CarreleurQuote:How many of them? For that matter, how many matches have we got during the 6N, whilst we have others breathing down our necks (hint, it's a very round number)Bath Hammer
We will need many of these players during the 6 Nations & whilst we are in the top 4 we have others breathing down our necks.
It seems very few. My error!
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:18
Quote:OutsideBath
Don’t get me started on Arsenal recent results prove they are hopeless, starting with the substandard goalkeeper..
Arsenal are a very good side, make no mistake. However, for Arteta to say that they deserved to beat West Ham or Fulham is rubbish. Pretty football but currently they are ineffective in front of goal & changing goalkeepers seems a mistake, just like Man U, and does Arteta have to be so morose.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:20
Quote:charlieboaQuote:shipwrecked
I'm not so sure CB. Doesn't it depend on whether the squad limits are applied. )35 plus additional u20s/academy players allowed.)
If so it's a wake up call for everyone.
Sorry but to suddenly state yesterdays performance was reminiscent of a return to recent failing is just not considering the bigger picture.
These young players have been exposed to a premiership battle, some have come out well others have work to do but it has to be remembered that our best players will fresh and vital for the next home match.
It's unrealistic to think we can win every game, all we need is to have our best team fit and qualified for the end of season finals.
Happy NY SW!
Assume you are referring to someone else in terms of saying its reminiscent of a return to recent failings- have seen a few saying that but I don't agree personally.
I don't think that's the case, I simply think if you name a 23 made up of 2nd and third choice players away to leic you will lose badly.
I certainly see value in playing the young guys who did brilliantly. I have always said with 2 or 3 more frontline players in that 23 I felt we had a chance of a LBP and/or a 4 try BP. Felt like we gave ourselves zero chance of anything.
We could have put stewart, richards, TCS, harris , hennessey into a really loaded 23 next week and beat glos imho.
As you say we won't win every game but I think at minimum you should select a squad with a chance of getting 1 or 2 pts from a game. The only silver lining for me was the guts shown from some young lads which I agree will stand us and them in good stead.
I know I am bring a bit illogical at times but I am a rugbh man of 40 years, brought up on bath vs Leicester rivalry. It just never felt right but I admit I am a dinosaur and if we finish top 2 alls well that's ends well.
And a Happy New Tear to you CB, yes it was just a general response as you say and not directed in your direction re past performances.
You are right when you say we should be collected the bonus points of course but looking at how JvG managed the game I got the feeling that he was throwing talented ore into the crucible to see what pure gold remained.
As you say it was a huge rotation, line out was always going to struggle with a new hooker and it exposed our need for a couple of young big locks.
As I mentioned elsewhere JvG won't abandon Bailey but he won't get selected if he isn't good enough. I don't think Landy being subbed was a chiding either, he has done that with Richards recently and yesterday Richards came on and didn't only hold his ground but excelled.
If these squad limits are to occur (hope not) we need to lose 20 senior squad members and half the academy. I also think that yesterdays game wasn't just a trial for the second string but a test for some senior players.
JvG wants all players to be fighting for their places, including Stuart, McNally and Cloete.
A sort of sacrificial game. There were some nuggets that emerged I feel Mojo and Harris looked solid though when Mojo breaks he always seems to want to throw huge passes on his second half break Harris was supporting fast.
I completely agree we could do with a couple of huge locks like Martin and Chessum. There needs to be a bit more than just potential.
Hennessy scoring was a bonus but does he use his physical attributes enough? Our backs tackle but should be knocking the opposition back a bit more. TdG is in the same category IMV.
Back up 9 is an issue.
I don't think we will see that excess of rotation again.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:28
Quote:Bath HammerQuote:OutsideBath
Don’t get me started on Arsenal recent results prove they are hopeless, starting with the substandard goalkeeper..
Arsenal are a very good side, make no mistake. However, for Arteta to say that they deserved to beat West Ham or Fulham is rubbish. Pretty football but currently they are ineffective in front of goal & changing goalkeepers seems a mistake, just like Man U, and does Arteta have to be so morose.
Nail on head!
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:30
Agree with all that SW and hope you are right on modest rotation from now.
This has been a hell of a block of games week to week so I do understand the approach even if I don't think we quite got it 100% right.
Richards was good wasn't he and harris is to the Manor born- just don't know his best position. He played 12 mainly for the bath 18s I think.
Hennessey is only 19 ? He has a good frame to add bulk to and become a real handful.
When players are getting games at 19/20 you know the club seriously rate them.
Arthur Green is an interesting one- assume he was just a travelling reserve as opposed to next cab off the rank in terms of pecking order?
This has been a hell of a block of games week to week so I do understand the approach even if I don't think we quite got it 100% right.
Richards was good wasn't he and harris is to the Manor born- just don't know his best position. He played 12 mainly for the bath 18s I think.
Hennessey is only 19 ? He has a good frame to add bulk to and become a real handful.
When players are getting games at 19/20 you know the club seriously rate them.
Arthur Green is an interesting one- assume he was just a travelling reserve as opposed to next cab off the rank in terms of pecking order?
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:38
Quote:charlieboa
Richards was good wasn't he and harris is to the Manor born- just don't know his best position. He played 12 mainly for the bath 18s I think.
Harris at 15 I think, when up to pace he is crazy fast, needs a position to use that. He looked best there for England U20s.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:48
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:charlieboa
Richards was good wasn't he and harris is to the Manor born- just don't know his best position. He played 12 mainly for the bath 18s I think.
Harris at 15 I think, when up to pace he is crazy fast, needs a position to use that. He looked best there for England U20s.
Definitely agree 15 for now. Tdg and Gallagher as well...be interesting to see what happens and think they are both off contract.
I really enjoyed tdg on the wing- he has the pace Gallagher lacks. Gallagher stronger in other facets of his game.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 12:53
Quote:charlieboaQuote:shipwreckedQuote:charlieboa
Richards was good wasn't he and harris is to the Manor born- just don't know his best position. He played 12 mainly for the bath 18s I think.
Harris at 15 I think, when up to pace he is crazy fast, needs a position to use that. He looked best there for England U20s.
Definitely agree 15 for now. Tdg and Gallagher as well...be interesting to see what happens and think they are both off contract.
I really enjoyed tdg on the wing- he has the pace Gallagher lacks. Gallagher stronger in other facets of his game.
For my money TdG better in attack than defence, (out of position for Brown's try) Gallagher better in defence than attack.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 13:35
A fair summary SW!
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Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2024 22:04
Having had time to look over the game again some takeaways
- Scrum was decent harsh on a few calls and largely seemed to have a slight edge, TDT made a good impact
- Lineout seemed to be an issue, not a good start from Faiva but probably still learning calls
- Coetzee was once again very good made constant metres and if it wasn’t for his wrongly judged collapse would have probably been our best player. Starts for me at 7 if no Underhill
- Schreuder intercept was lovely however still feel we lack the speed and directness comparatively at 9
- Ojomoh is some player lovely assist for Hennessy and beautiful pass to Gallagher which should have been taken. Starts at 12 for me against Glos
- Makeshift back 3 worked well big game for TDG for me showed why you fit him in. Might see some more of him there and surely another reason to extend his deal
- Youngesters off the bench all provided impact to create a second half we actually were the better side in
Overall more points deserved but I truly think that was a good outcome for the squad.
- Scrum was decent harsh on a few calls and largely seemed to have a slight edge, TDT made a good impact
- Lineout seemed to be an issue, not a good start from Faiva but probably still learning calls
- Coetzee was once again very good made constant metres and if it wasn’t for his wrongly judged collapse would have probably been our best player. Starts for me at 7 if no Underhill
- Schreuder intercept was lovely however still feel we lack the speed and directness comparatively at 9
- Ojomoh is some player lovely assist for Hennessy and beautiful pass to Gallagher which should have been taken. Starts at 12 for me against Glos
- Makeshift back 3 worked well big game for TDG for me showed why you fit him in. Might see some more of him there and surely another reason to extend his deal
- Youngesters off the bench all provided impact to create a second half we actually were the better side in
Overall more points deserved but I truly think that was a good outcome for the squad.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 08:16
Thanks for watching back and summarising hk890 - I have been too grump to!
All your comments align to my thoughts and given I thought we would get thrashed and thanks to leic bench changes plus the effort and heart from our bench then good reasons for some positivity.
I would also love to see mojo rewarded with more starts in the next 4 games and tdg to get more goes on the wing during that period ( and sign a new contract). Would be v excited to see a backrow including coetzee and alfie from the start- he has played on the flank loads and deserves. It.
All your comments align to my thoughts and given I thought we would get thrashed and thanks to leic bench changes plus the effort and heart from our bench then good reasons for some positivity.
I would also love to see mojo rewarded with more starts in the next 4 games and tdg to get more goes on the wing during that period ( and sign a new contract). Would be v excited to see a backrow including coetzee and alfie from the start- he has played on the flank loads and deserves. It.
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Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 10:20
Let’s be honest guys if Tigers hadn’t made so many changes in the second half the score line would have been even more one sided. That’s not to say that a number of Bath players didnt play well but usually the team that wins the gain line battle wins the game.
Although happy with the win it’s a shame that both teams weren’t at full strength to gauge where we both are. Hopefully we both make top 4 but a lot depends on injuries and the international circus.
Must say through gritted teeth I’m pleased that Bath are much improved as I love seeing the old rivalry revitalised. Good luck for the rest of the season apart from if we meet in the play offs.
Although happy with the win it’s a shame that both teams weren’t at full strength to gauge where we both are. Hopefully we both make top 4 but a lot depends on injuries and the international circus.
Must say through gritted teeth I’m pleased that Bath are much improved as I love seeing the old rivalry revitalised. Good luck for the rest of the season apart from if we meet in the play offs.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 10:35
Quote:A2O
Let’s be honest guys if Tigers hadn’t made so many changes in the second half the score line would have been even more one sided
Tbf have said that multiple times in this thread including literally in the one above your post A20.
Agree , we got destroyed on the gainline hence never got a foothold in the game- literally didn't fire a shot.
I know you were missing c10+ of your squad to injury/ rest but I really don't think it compares to the bath selection- that's our decision and one I really disagreed with as it set us up to have no chance of even a LBP. All you could do was take us to the cleaners which you duly did- agree it could have got ugly without your changes.
Whilst I hate losing to leic I am well versed in it over the years and its not even through gritted teeth that I like to see leic and bath doing well. It's what I grew up on and feels right!
I think you have the squad and depth to make top 4- as you say injuries will come into it. If you keep the likes of montoya, Martin, chessum, wiese, pollard fit I don't think you will be far away.
I fancy baths chances of top 4 but only if we try to win some away games (appreciate we have bagged a few already )
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Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 10:57
Quote:Fair enoughcharlieboaQuote:A2O
Let’s be honest guys if Tigers hadn’t made so many changes in the second half the score line would have been even more one sided
Tbf have said that multiple times in this thread including literally in the one above your post A20.
Agree , we got destroyed on the gainline hence never got a foothold in the game- literally didn't fire a shot.
I know you were missing c10+ of your squad to injury/ rest but I really don't think it compares to the bath selection- that's our decision and one I really disagreed with as it set us up to have no chance of even a LBP. All you could do was take us to the cleaners which you duly did- agree it could have got ugly without your changes.
Whilst I hate losing to leic I am well versed in it over the years and its not even through gritted teeth that I like to see leic and bath doing well. It's what I grew up on and feels right!
I think you have the squad and depth to make top 4- as you say injuries will come into it. If you keep the likes of montoya, Martin, chessum, wiese, pollard fit I don't think you will be far away.
I fancy baths chances of top 4 but only if we try to win some away games (appreciate we have bagged a few already )
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 11:18
Interestingly A20 jvg and blackett often talk about needing 6-7 regular starting internationals to compete at the business end of the season and 10+ to start doing that season on season.
I would argue you are well placed for at least the former and arguably the latter?
Montoya, cole, martin, chessum, reffell, wiese, pollard, steward...
It's hard to argue we have many/any regular international starters- absolutely loads on the fringes of international squads but I would only say finn as a nailed on starter for a tier 1 national team.
I would argue you are well placed for at least the former and arguably the latter?
Montoya, cole, martin, chessum, reffell, wiese, pollard, steward...
It's hard to argue we have many/any regular international starters- absolutely loads on the fringes of international squads but I would only say finn as a nailed on starter for a tier 1 national team.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 12:49
I find it odd to say if team A hadn't made any changes in the second half.........., because every team in every match pretty much empties the bench between minute 50 and minute 75.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 13:44
Agree if you’re bringing on 2nd choice players but not if you have 3rd/4th choices on the bench.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 14:30
Quote:A2O
Agree if you’re bringing on 2nd choice players but not if you have 3rd/4th choices on the bench.
And you aren't bringing the likes of wiese off in that form before the hour mark if there is a game still to be won!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 14:48
Quote:Very truecharlieboaQuote:A2O
Agree if you’re bringing on 2nd choice players but not if you have 3rd/4th choices on the bench.
And you aren't bringing the likes of wiese off in that form before the hour mark if there is a game still to be won!
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 14:49
Don’t think we would have been bringing on our 5th choice Hooker in the 61st minute if the result wasn’t already pretty secure!
No disrespect to FTT, who looks a very good prospect.
No disrespect to FTT, who looks a very good prospect.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 14:53
Agree tigersimon- another good example.
FTT did look good- v dynamic. Eqp I hope?
We were using our 3rd and 4th choice hookers (for some reason!)- stewart did well off the bench.
FTT did look good- v dynamic. Eqp I hope?
We were using our 3rd and 4th choice hookers (for some reason!)- stewart did well off the bench.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: tigersimon (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 17:09
Quote:charlieboa
FTT did look good- v dynamic. Eqp I hope?
Yes has played England U20 level
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: HK890 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 18:05
Quote:tigersimon
Don’t think we would have been bringing on our 5th choice Hooker in the 61st minute if the result wasn’t already pretty secure!
No disrespect to FTT, who looks a very good prospect.
Could argue we would have done the same if the game was really winnable.
Wouldn’t take off our starting 10 and have our 5th choice option take the reign at 60 minutes
Wouldn’t take of a technical international at hooker aswell
Stuart subbed at 65 when he can easily play 80s
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 18:25
There's one thing that occurred to me. With all the changes from the Tigs, cos they'd basically won the game, there were 2 points on offer for us. I did not see an obvious strategy from us to target those points in the last 10 minutes. Yes, we scored twice but I did not get the sense it was part of a wider plan. An example would be taking the full minute for the conversions when it was time to score tries that was really needed.
We got close but Glaws got them at Quins from a similar position.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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We got close but Glaws got them at Quins from a similar position.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024:01:02:18:28:05 by joethefanatic.
Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2024 20:31
2 tries in 10 minutes isn't exactly snails pace - it would be good going even if we were playing a Championship level side! Not sure what else you were expecting
I'm afraid I'm not au fait enough with Leicester's squad to judge it's relative strength, but given it featured Argentina's test captain, two of England's locks, arguably the best player in the league this season and actual Handre Pollard, let's chalk this off to men Vs boys
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I'm afraid I'm not au fait enough with Leicester's squad to judge it's relative strength, but given it featured Argentina's test captain, two of England's locks, arguably the best player in the league this season and actual Handre Pollard, let's chalk this off to men Vs boys
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Re: Leicester v Bath - Should auld acquaintance be forgot….
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2024 08:33
Quote:A.M 180
arguably the best player in the league this season
Ollie Lawrence?
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