Top Four Calling: Bath v Northampton
Josh Bayliss
By Rokobilly
May 16 2024
Last league games of the season at The Rec always seem to be sunny and full of Bath tries. Casting my mind back I recall Banner’s 100th try, Josh Bayliss’ 80th minute beauty against Northampton in 2021 and last year’s demolition of a young Saracens XV. Those last two games both secured Champions Cup rugby for Bath. This Saturday the stakes are higher.
The best possible scenario is second in the table and a home game in two weeks’ time. Worst case scenario is an unthinkable sixth.
I am sure every team and every fan, has their “if only’s” from the games played so far this season. The clock-in-the-red-sliding-doors moments that feel like they have a disproportionate impact on a campaign. I count no less than five from our seven defeats this year: Coetzee’s dropped kick off against Leicester, a Max Ojomoh knock on at Franklins Gardens, a dodgy scrum penalty up at Sale, a seven-minute sin bin at The Stoop and the umpteen knock-ons in the final phases at home to Sarries.
If one or two of those moments had gone our way, then we could have already qualified for a semi-final place and be in prime position for top two. None of them did and we are where we are, still strong favourites for a top four spot but also not guaranteed anything at all.
To secure what we want, we will need to be at our very best on Saturday.
The return fixture was way back in November and Week 4. We had just come off the back off that galling defeat at home to Leicester and were aiming to recapture the positivity that unexpectedly winning at Saracens has generated. Saints had lost their first two games and only narrowly squeezed past Newcastle the previous week.
Re-watching the highlights tonight, I was struck by three things. Firstly, Saints’ much vaunted back line was kept largely in check (their tries were all close range and owed much to soft Bath defence on the fringes). Secondly, that the game featured Thomas du Toit’s longest range try of the season from all of 5 yards out. Thirdly, we really should have won.
Saints have improved immensely since then, growing in confidence throughout the season, and the harder pitches of spring suits their free-flowing style. They will be motivated by finishing top of the regular season pile and a potentially easier semi-final opponent. With a free weekend before the play-offs, I do not expect too many changes for our visitors. Momentum is an important dynamic in sport, and they will not want to squander it.
Bath need a fast start and to get the Rec rocking. If we end up chasing the game then Dingwall, Sleightholme, Furbank et all might tear us to shreds.
That said Bath fans have much to be grateful for and hopeful about. After the horrors of the previous two seasons, pride in the jersey has been restored. To start our last league game competing for a potential home semi-final rather than just the chance to be the bottom seed in The Big Cup is a huge step forward in itself. To have pretty much the whole squad fit and available for selection is likewise. JVG and his team deserve much credit for both. We have no need to fear anyone, and no-one will relish playing us.
The equation for Bath is relatively simple: score four tries and we are in the semis. Score four and win and we have a shot at playing at home. Even an LBP would do.
Elsewhere we are supporting Bristol against Quins and Leicester against Exeter. A low scoring draw at the Stone X would be perfect too.
Quins can only overtake us if they take all 5 points, and we draw a blank – even then there would need to be a 77-point swing across the games for them to overtake us.
Exeter also need 5 points and Bath to score none to overtake us. The points difference is already in their favour, however.
In theory Sale could overtake us with a draw and a try bonus point if we get humped by more than 50. More likely, they need to win at Saracens and hope that we slip up.
All of which is to say, our destiny is in our own hands – let’s make sure we take it.
A final word for our leavers on Saturday, Josh McNally has been announced today and I expect others will follow before the weekend. Thank you to all of them for their commitment to the cause and we wish you well with whatever follows.
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Takes me back to 2003 when the man next to me had a constant phone link to the LI v Bristol match so we got real time results as it was critical as to whether we survived.....
Be interesting to see the two squads.
I think we may go for something like:
Beno
Dunn
Stuart
Roux
Ewels
Hill
Underhill
Barbeary
Spencer
Finn
Muir
Redpath
Lawrence
Big Joe
Gallagher
Bench: annett, tdt, griffin, du plessis, reid, schreuder, bailey, bayliss.
No idea if coetzee is fit but josh has looked v v good since coming back from injury.
No idea what best plan is with the props tbh but nice options to have!
Assume tdg still out- sounded like we would have to make the final for him to come back this season but fingers crossed the medics can make another miracle happen.
Quote:Charlieboa1
Good write up rokobilly.
Be interesting to see the two squads.
I think we may go for something like:
Beno
Dunn
Stuart
Roux
Ewels
Hill
Underhill
Barbeary
Spencer
Finn
Muir
Redpath
Lawrence
Big Joe
Gallagher
Bench: annett, tdt, griffin, du plessis, reid, schreuder, bailey, bayliss.
No idea if coetzee is fit but josh has looked v v good since coming back from injury.
No idea what best plan is with the props tbh but nice options to have!
Assume tdg still out- sounded like we would have to make the final for him to come back this season but fingers crossed the medics can make another miracle happen.
Agree with that that team - only a few changes I would make - and think I would start JDP over Roux / I would also Give Coetzee the start feel like this is a game that will really suit him. Probably been the best impact player in the league this season and imo we need him for the semis to be in good shape. / Finally have a sneaky suspicion we might see Grace involved - this game will really suit him.
TDG should be available for the Semi - hoping to be available back end of next week/week after

Hope Saints don't come fully loaded, but I almost think it'll bring out the best in us if they do. If it's another Falcons scenario in terms of match ups, I think we may struggle again.
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I'm already getting excited.
Takes me back to 2003 when the man next to me had a constant phone link to the LI v Bristol match so we got real time results as it was critical as to whether we survived.....
Standing in the Flower Pots watching Dan Lyle's face on the bench rather than the game - knew we were safe when we saw his reaction as the news came through
Joe C
Ollie L
Cam R
Will M
Finn R
Ben S
Beno O
Tom D
Will S
Quinn R
Charlie E
Ted H
Sam U
Alfie B
Niall A
Juan S
Tom DT
Jacque DP
Jaco C
Josh B
Orlando B
Louis S
Think TDT offers more bang off bench than Stuart + Schoeman allows TDT to come on TH where he is much more destructive - likewise Jacque DP. Jaco offers a difference and more ball carrying - Josh B gives so much and in case of emergencies can play on wing with his pace.
One thing for sure the squad won’t care what Saints team takes the field - they will be 100% focussed on their game and what they need to do.
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Yeah I was trying to do all the permutations but I think it will take a lot to go wrong to not get a top 4 finish, obviously a home tie would be great but let’s just concentrate on winning and scoring as much as possible. My first home game this season due to various obstacles, what a cracker of a match we have in store. COYB!!!!
We'll finish 3rd and play Sarries away imho...
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Matt G
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Ben S
Beno O
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Charlie E
Ted H
Sam U
Alfie B
Niall A
Juan S
Tom DT
Jacque DP
Jaco C
Josh B
Orlando B
Louis S
Think TDT offers more bang off bench than Stuart + Schoeman allows TDT to come on TH where he is much more destructive - likewise Jacque DP. Jaco offers a difference and more ball carrying - Josh B gives so much and in case of emergencies can play on wing with his pace.
One thing for sure the squad won’t care what Saints team takes the field - they will be 100% focussed on their game and what they need to do.
I think Ali has got the selection spot on.
Personally I would be fine with Rory McC instead of JC.
Quote:Barfboy
Great write up.
Agreed. Many thanks Roko- very good preview.
PG
Too me it feels very much like the Borthwick rebuild at Tigers in that it needed the right person at the right time.
No doubt he's doing a great job though as reflected in his contract extension.
A few Saints on holiday apparently so sounds like some rotation.
Obano, Dunn, Du Toit, Roux, Ewels, Hill, Underhill, Bayliss. Spencer (C), Russell.
Muir, Redpath, Lawrence, Cokanasiga. Gallagher.
Bench: Annett, Schoeman, Stuart, Stooke, Barbeary, Schreuder, Bailey, Reid.
PG
This aged well from me! 13 changes from Saints.
15 James Ramm
14 Tom Seabrook
13 Tom Litchfield
12 Burger Odendaal
11 Ollie Sleightholme
10 Rory Hutchinson
9 Tom James
1 Emmanuel Iyogun
2 Sam Matavesi
3 Elliot Millar Mills
4 Temo Mayanavanua
5 Tom Lockett
6 Angus Scott-Young
7 Lewis Ludlam (c)
8 Sam Graham
Replacements:
16 Robbie Smith
17 Tarek Haffar
18 Paul Hill
19 Chunya Munga
20 Tom Pearson
21 Archie McParland
22 Charlie Savala
23 Toby Thame
We MUST NOT be complacent though!
PG
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Nice to see Bayliss start. Think he's earned it and hopefully shows we're going to play wide and with pace. Barbeary to cause a bit of havoc late on and wrap up the BP!
An 80-minute performance must be the aim, and then see where that leaves us. It's time to stop turning in bits and pieces of nice looking rugby, or decent 20 minutes-es, and put a marker down, with solid set piece, defence, and consistent attack. Sarries did it last week. Our turn tomorrow.
2024/25 adoptee: Guy Pepper
A narrow mindset and we could lose narrowly. I'm not saying go fully unleashed from KO but a TRP must be the easiest way to secure a semi and that will give us a better chance of the win to go with it
Saints, 60 points > 60 - 2nd
Saracens, 56 points > 61 - 1st
Bath, 55 points > 60 - 3rd
Sale, 52 points > 52
Exeter, 50 points > 54
Harlequins, 50 points > 55 - 4th
Bristol 50 points > 51
I think we have the massive upper hand if we play this right. This screams of 2022 Saints undercooking their players into the semi and looking rusty.
Shame no Coetzee or Max probably the last we have seen of them. Both deserved a shot this game imo but a great team none the less.
Quote:dr.bath1865
The fact they're sending a team of highly motivated squad men almost makes me more nervous!
Yes, will the team get complacent?
Quote:dr.bath1865
It's time to stop turning in bits and pieces of nice looking rugby, or decent 20 minutes-es, and put a marker down, with solid set piece, defence, and consistent attack. Sarries did it last week. Our turn tomorrow.
We are at the pointed end of the season now, it may have come earlier than expected but I agree completely, we need to become ruthless.

Quote:Sarries could lose to Sale for sure but I think right now given the team Saints have picked I think we're looking at; Sarries, Saints, Bath, not a scooby.Clarkey3k
We'll finish 3rd and play Sarries away imho...
Tbh bit disappointed that Saints have rotated so much but we've done it and it makes sense. Given there's a reasonable chance your two sides meet again they play you with a weakened side and any result or points they get are a bonus.
Still looking forward to the game and Bath side looks very strong.
Quote:Optimist
So are predictions now looking like .... ?
Saints, 60 points > 60 - 2nd
Saracens, 56 points > 61 - 1st
Bath, 55 points > 60 - 3rd
Sale, 52 points > 52
Exeter, 50 points > 54
Harlequins, 50 points > 55 - 4th
Bristol 50 points > 51
Pretty much Opti although I think even that Saints team might pick up a TBP especially if Bath play an open game.
In some ways the battle for 4th is the most exciting.
If I weren't at the game think I'd be watching Quins v Bristol. Really hope Bristol can undo the Bristanbull mind block.
Tigers team looks really strong as does Chiefs but whereas Chiefs look in a good place Tigers just look lost. On that basis I think Chiefs maybe squeeze in 4th?
Quote:gaz59
Whilst I fully agree we can't afford to be complacent. That's a very decent Saints 23 despite the rotations.
Exactly gaz- my main reason for the sentiment!
PG
Quote:P G TipsQuote:gaz59
Whilst I fully agree we can't afford to be complacent. That's a very decent Saints 23 despite the rotations.
Exactly gaz- my main reason for the sentiment!
PG
Would rather have seen a fully loaded Saints team, having lost earlier in the season to Tigers 2nd/3rds I'm quite nervous about the game now. Won't stop us getting in the top 4 though.
Good luck but COYS
The team will go out and play the way they would if they were facing Saints normal starting XV. There are plenty of players in that Saints line up that will hurt you if you let them play.
Interesting to see Alfie on bench to bring serious ouch off the bench and a serious front row replacement.
Really good to see Stookey in what might be his final game - let us all bring the noise - Come on Bath.
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
Would that be on a defensive basis Kidney?
Quite honestly both Jack. I see him as a better, more consistent winger, and certainly better under the high ball.
Nervous about Sleigtholmes threat. Very nervous.
I know there is a disparity in squad depths, and the resources clubs have to spend etc., but no 2nd/3rd string should be losing 90-0. This Saints XXIII starts as underdogs but with a good chance of upsetting the odds, which is how it should be in a competitive, congested league. No lack of integrity. Just a well-coached squad who have had a very busy run of games but have built depth in all the key positions. As mentioned, interested to see how Hutch does at 10 opposite Finn.
I'd love to watch Lawes, Smith and Freeman etc, but glad we're not, and also will be fascinated to see what these Saints bring. Nice chance for Underhill and Lawrence to get on the front foot and put in big performances, as for two of our best players, I think they've been a tad quiet of late.
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Watching that match gave me the big wobbles so please can we be a bit more clinical in attack AND defence from the get-go
Quote:gaz59
Corresponding fixture last year, Sarries sent a very young, inexperienced side and were 21 - 24 up at half-time
Watching that match gave me the big wobbles so please can we be a bit more clinical in attack AND defence from theget-gostart.

Quote:Such savagery is more than welcome on this board.Saint dolph
This side might of only beat gloucester 30 - 0.
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:gaz59
Corresponding fixture last year, Sarries sent a very young, inexperienced side and were 21 - 24 up at half-time
Watching that match gave me the big wobbles so please can we be a bit more clinical in attack AND defence from theget-gostart.
Definitions of get-go. the time at which something is supposed to begin. “she knew from the get-go that he was the man for her” synonyms: beginning, commencement, first, kickoff, offset, outset, showtime, start, starting time.
Then we should be putting this side away. No disrespect as there are some good players but as a side it’s well below standard. And disrespectful to send that to the Rec.
Whilst a big scoreline isn’t what I expect I hope to see saints put out the fight fairly early into the second half. If we are really honest that saints team shouldn’t have a chance with Hutchinson at 10. We struggled at scrum time last time round I hope now the scrum is more settled we should see some nice success there.
Quote:gaz59Quote:shipwreckedQuote:gaz59
Corresponding fixture last year, Sarries sent a very young, inexperienced side and were 21 - 24 up at half-time
Watching that match gave me the big wobbles so please can we be a bit more clinical in attack AND defence from theget-gostart.
Definitions of get-go. the time at which something is supposed to begin. “she knew from the get-go that he was the man for her” synonyms: beginning, commencement, first, kickoff, offset, outset, showtime, start, starting time.
If you are English then speak English rather than adopt American slang!
From the get-go is an American phrase which comes from the African-American slang, git-go. From the get-go is assumed to have been derived from either the phrase from the word go or the phrase get going

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Quote:shipwreckedQuote:gaz59Quote:shipwreckedQuote:gaz59
Corresponding fixture last year, Sarries sent a very young, inexperienced side and were 21 - 24 up at half-time
Watching that match gave me the big wobbles so please can we be a bit more clinical in attack AND defence from theget-gostart.
Definitions of get-go. the time at which something is supposed to begin. “she knew from the get-go that he was the man for her” synonyms: beginning, commencement, first, kickoff, offset, outset, showtime, start, starting time.
If you are English then speak English rather than adopt American slang!
From the get-go is an American phrase which comes from the African-American slang, git-go. From the get-go is assumed to have been derived from either the phrase from the word go or the phrase get going
Calm down Susie Dent
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Quote:For starters I'd wait until we've played them before saying it's disrespectful. Regardless of the result the Saints coaches need to look at the bigger picture. I guess the Leinster game was pretty draining at the end of a long season. They've earned the right to pick who they want having already secured a home semi. I also don't see the argument that they'd be better off playing whoever comes 4th. Of the chasing pack, ourselves included, I imagine the one side they'd be keenest to avoid is Briz.HK890
If we are the real deal - which I strongly believe
Then we should be putting this side away. No disrespect as there are some good players but as a side it’s well below standard. And disrespectful to send that to the Rec.
Quote:Toast and MarmiteQuote:shipwreckedQuote:gaz59Quote:shipwreckedQuote:gaz59
Corresponding fixture last year, Sarries sent a very young, inexperienced side and were 21 - 24 up at half-time
Watching that match gave me the big wobbles so please can we be a bit more clinical in attack AND defence from theget-gostart.
Definitions of get-go. the time at which something is supposed to begin. “she knew from the get-go that he was the man for her” synonyms: beginning, commencement, first, kickoff, offset, outset, showtime, start, starting time.
If you are English then speak English rather than adopt American slang!
From the get-go is an American phrase which comes from the African-American slang, git-go. From the get-go is assumed to have been derived from either the phrase from the word go or the phrase get going
Calm down Susie Dent
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Quote:Kidney StoneQuote:Bath Supporter Jack
Would that be on a defensive basis Kidney?
Quite honestly both Jack. I see him as a better, more consistent winger, and certainly better under the high ball.
Wouldn't necessarily disagree as love rmc and as you say definitely more solid under the high ball.
Interestingly in attack big Joe has much better stats this season than muir re metres made, defenders beaten, average carry etc.
Key is getting him on the ball in the first place. Think he came out about 4th of the prem wings with muir in 9th.
Muir is awesome but not been a stellar season for him.
Quote:Charlieboa1Quote:Kidney StoneQuote:Bath Supporter Jack
Would that be on a defensive basis Kidney?
Quite honestly both Jack. I see him as a better, more consistent winger, and certainly better under the high ball.
Wouldn't necessarily disagree as love rmc and as you say definitely more solid under the high ball.
Interestingly in attack big Joe has much better stats this season than muir re metres made, defenders beaten, average carry etc.
Key is getting him on the ball in the first place. Think he came out about 4th of the prem wings with muir in 9th.
Muir is awesome but not been a stellar season for him.
My impression, though I don't think anyone has stats on this is that he drops the ball a lot, from catches and passes, however, there is a definite change in his drive forward when in possession, greatly improved.
Muir just hasn't been given any decent ball.

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Love the expression of the Saint on the floor!


Quote:shipwrecked
More of this please, Bath v Saints 2022 with Josh McNally in the background.
Love the expression of the Saint on the floor!
Think you'll find that's Tigers
The one against saints was at clubhouse end?

Bruce looks like he's had a good holiday though!
It's like it's a different season between the wide and the close up

Quote:hantssabre
TNT a right Mickey Mouse operation (even if they are owned by Disney!)
Discovery you mean!
Still Ironic as they're struggling to discover the issue
Quote:Upinthehills
Did they score? Think I’ll watch another game after the break, it’s just awful
Sarries-Sale makes for equally enjoyable viewing to be fair
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Quote:hantssabre
Anybody watching on PRTV and if so is the feed as bad?
I am from Lanzarote on my smartphone, just the occasional glitch but nothing to worry about. Good value for £6. Ridley reffed us out of the last 10mins of the half though. Underhill's turnover was excellent but pinged, a bad call by CR. We should put these guys away in 2nd half if we're anything like challengers tbh
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One of their own players lying over it and Sam cleanly ripping
Ridley has been good otherwise
Hey, if only Glaws hadn't played like a National 1 side
RAEBURN SHIELD
If Sale extend their lead the away teams would swap, if Sarries go ahead we’d be going to the StoneX and winner of Quins v Bristol (currently Bris but I presume there’s plenty more tries to come in that one) goes to Franklin’s Gardens.
Looking like Exeter are out of the equation.
Edit: Sale did extend their lead as I was typing so currently Saints v Sarries and Bath v Sale, which I reckon would be our first choice of semi
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Quote:He looks to be ok, thankfullyWhich Tyler
If Spencer's okay after that tackle, it's far more due tomluck than judgement!
Quote:A.M 180
Is the PD catchable??
Irrelevant to saints, we're behind them on wins.
Quote:Thank godsA.M 180
He looks to be ok, thankfully
RAEBURN SHIELD
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Quote:Ah of coursehastaQuote:A.M 180
Is the PD catchable??
Irrelevant to saints, we're behind them on wins.
Quote:PD to Sarries might be getting interesting, I'm case they pull this out of the fire (without a TBP)A.M 180Quote:Ah of coursehastaQuote:A.M 180
Is the PD catchable??
Irrelevant to saints, we're behind them on wins.
ETA, nope, we were 80-odd down, so not going to happen
RAEBURN SHIELD
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Quote:Which TylerQuote:PD to Sarries might be getting interesting, I'm case they pull this out of the fire (without a TBP)A.M 180Quote:Ah of coursehastaQuote:A.M 180
Is the PD catchable??
Irrelevant to saints, we're behind them on wins.
We'd also go down on wins to Sarries (assuming they win).
Hopefully not a Samson moment
RAEBURN SHIELD
Quote:That's true - I swear I knew that an hiur ago!hasta
We'd also go down on wins to Sarries (assuming they win).
RAEBURN SHIELD
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Quote:A.M 180
Well done Bath, and Sale have done the job by the looks
So home semi vs Sale.
Don’t think we could have asked for a better day.
J
Sarries go to Saints
Incredible job boys and coaches.
8. Leicester, 9. Gloucester, 10. Newcastle we knew before today anyway
Edited: I thought Exe had a tbp but they didn’t so drop below Quins
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Really tough physical battle against Sale but at least we are at the Rec.
Quote:ChippenhamRomanQuote:A.M 180
Well done Bath, and Sale have done the job by the looks
So home semi vs Sale.
Don’t think we could have asked for a better day.
J
My first and second Prem Rugby teams meet at the Rec 1/6. Are Sale Sarries in disguise? Didn't see their match btw
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NB this is an example of reverse supporting as everyone knows that when I predict success we lose! So I’m testing it out on Sarries now!
So Sale did actually beat Sarries. Wow, I never thought it would work!

Quote:9215
If Gloucester win the little cup does that give an extra English spot in the big cup or do they take Leicester’s?
They take it from Leicester. Come on Glaws...
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Any idea when tix will be available?
Is it likely to be season tickets holders first? One per season ticket?
May have to try and sweettalk my mum (or just take a punt and do straight for final tix) !
Then again, the club will want to make sure it sells out
I've contemplated final tickets for a while, but held off. Do clubs still get a hefty allocation?
Not sure on final tickets- think they try to sell nearly all before they even know who is in final? Unsure on club allocation.
I am half tempted by a family of 4 offer for less than 100 quid if that is still available.
Quote:The Maitland injury could definitely have been on some mindsgaz59
Sarries looked totally unSarries right from the start. Wonder if the emotions from the big leavers like Farrell and the Vunipolas got to them?
That must have been a gutting feeling for everyone in the dressing room
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Quote:Id imagine yes - generally ST an members get prioritydcsh
I’ve got my play off ticket, does anyone know if season ticket holders get priority access to final tickets should be get there? I’ve only had my current season ticket since 2015/16 so haven’t had the opportunity to find out before!!!
Number held back back isn't clear, but found something on Leicester's site a couple of seasons ago which said their ST holders could buy SIX final tickets, which would suggest a chunky allocation (assuming nothing has changed)
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Got my final tickets some time ago. Please god not Sarries v Sale
That would serve you right
Tbh Sale had to do very little to beat us today. It felt an awful lot like your performance against Falcons (only you won ofc!) in that players just didn't seem on it and maybe a bit "checked-out"?
I'd be surprised if you don't beat them playing at the Rec. Their scrum gave them a great platform against us. I doubt they'll have the same v you.
Quote:Thanks, just found the same article myself. Hopefully that is the case and we have the opportunity to find out :-)A.M 180Quote:Id imagine yes - generally ST an members get prioritydcsh
I’ve got my play off ticket, does anyone know if season ticket holders get priority access to final tickets should be get there? I’ve only had my current season ticket since 2015/16 so haven’t had the opportunity to find out before!!!
Number held back back isn't clear, but found something on Leicester's site a couple of seasons ago which said their ST holders could buy SIX final tickets, which would suggest a chunky allocation (assuming nothing has changed)
Just for reference, I think this line up would have given you a slightly closer game !
Waller
Langdon
Davison
Coles
Moon
Lawes
Ludlam
Augustus
Mitchell
Smith
Sleightholme
Dingwall
Freeman
Hendy
Furbank.
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Let's hope the 1sts get to go at each other at Twickenham for the first time this season!
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Bath did a good professional job today - no complaints at that result.
Just for reference, I think this line up would have given you a slightly closer game !
Waller
Langdon
Davison
Coles
Moon
Lawes
Ludlam
Augustus
Mitchell
Smith
Sleightholme
Dingwall
Freeman
Hendy
Furbank.
Sigh. Think we are all knowledgeable enough on here to know that was a second string saints team without it being spelt out again.
Good luck in the semi's - fingers crossed you win (sorry OM!).
Hope to see you in the final and think we would seriously have our work cut out to contain you- deservedly finish top of the log, played some cracking stuff this season!
Underestimate Sale. How ever yes would rather play Sale than Saints or Sarries.
Enjoyed the game today watching on my phone in my courtyard in France
Allez Bath 🇪🇪
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TBH what the result was going to be today was clear after that first 30 minutes, so I wasn't worried. It was a Saints second team, all good players but not the team that's been putting other sides to the sword, so there's that to remember, but that was a very good performance by the BBW. And it was a complete performance which bodes well.
On any other day, my man of the match would have been Horse (just for the sheer joy of watching him play) or Josh (for being the rangy, fast, elusive and, above all, intelligent No8 that Zach Mercer aspires to be) but that game was firmly won by the pack and by the front row in particular.
My MotM - Beno. Just immense in the scrum, huge in defence and some really rather lovely passes in attack.
So, its Sale in the semi. If I'd have had my choice between Salaries and Sale, I'd have gone Sale every time, especially at home. That is going to be a totally different beast. However, if you haven't watched that game, Salaries wheels fell off and Sale made sure they stayed that way. I'd back our wheels to stay on in which case Finn v Ford and the battle of the backrows is going to be absolutely mouthwatering.
My prediction for the final is us v the Saints' first team. It'll be a cracker and we'll have to play much better than we had to today to win.
... IMHO, of course.
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Great to see some good handling skills from Bath, only disappointing thing was the penalty count. That could have been down to an apparently inconsistent performance by the ref. He also allowed the 9’s far too much time at rucks.
All around the ground was entertaining so well done to the club for putting on a good show.
Last home game of the regular season.....the sun always shines and Bath always win.....and I drink too much Thatchers (Is it possible to drink too much, Ed?)
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If we are the real deal - which I strongly believe
Then we should be putting this side away. No disrespect as there are some good players but as a side it’s well below standard. And disrespectful to send that to the Rec.
Whilst a big scoreline isn’t what I expect I hope to see saints put out the fight fairly early into the second half. If we are really honest that saints team shouldn’t have a chance with Hutchinson at 10. We struggled at scrum time last time round I hope now the scrum is more settled we should see some nice success there.
Good to say we more than did that. Game wrapped up by 50 mins. Protected everyone - now 2 weeks to the semi.
It is so impressive how quickly Ted Hill has got back to speed. He is back in the form of his life absolutely smashing people and carrying hard. Very impressive performances all round - going to make some of those decisions for the bench rather tricky.

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What a day!
Last home game of the regular season.....the sun always shines and Bath always win.....and I drink too much Thatchers (Is it possible to drink too much, Ed?)
If you are asking me, BSJ, I think so. (Guilty as charged yesterday😀).
PG
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As it is I'm hoping to be in the final against Sarries, as we owe them one.
Quote:I think ford plays a blinder most weeks and especially in the big games. Saracens have for a very long time been ruthless in big games. I am still amazed they lost yesterday. It will not be easy, but I am delighted we are home to saleOutsideBath
Would rather have played Sarries at home in the semis because Ford always seems to have a blinder against Bath.
As it is I'm hoping to be in the final against Sarries, as we owe them one.
In the last match of the season, Saints fielded a reserve team against Leicester and lost, giving them a home semi against Saracens - a decision that seemed odd at the time, and compounded when Saracens won at FG.
Bath had a stormer against Leicester and in the final against Saracens came a disappointing second (Watson's injury notwithstanding). I remember going to the final and being greeted by a sea of BBW. If the result had been decided on supporters, we'd have won by a landslide.
Saracens have form coming from 4th to win. Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself.
I expect though that JvG will have a plan to counter whoever wwe meet shoukd we make the final.
PG
It’s new for saints and us, Sale are a complete unknown. All up in the air but the good thing is we have so big game players in Finn, Ben Spencer, Sam Underhill, Cam Redpath with Ewels and TDT not far behind.
We have one big game in us I reckon, two I’m not sure but anything can happen in a final if we get there.

We need to play as the 2015 predecessors did and keep the ball away from those areas where "pushing the limits" go unnoticed, rack up an early lead and force them to chase the game.
PG
A massive "thank you" to them all and to Bruce for making it happen

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In celebration of Baths win over Northampton there is a brilliant meteor shower tonight. The Aquarids!
Which shows remarkable predictive powers in Halley's comet.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
1. Luke Pearce - expected.
2. Karl Dickson!!!! With suggestions that Dickson will also officiate the final.
Just don’t get it. I get it that as supporters we don’t always see eye to eye with officials and their decision making - but across all the boards the condemnation of one official - can we all be wrong - the fact the governing body has had to come out with official statements to justify certain performances that cannot be right can it?
Still all we can do is concentrate on our game and take the officiating out of the equation.
Lots of final games yesterday as well as David Moyes, Juergen Klopp, Ian Wright on MOTD.

Happy with whichever officials are chosen, they will have acheived that through merit.
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The theory being that as the season closes, the weather gets hotter and wearing white gives them an advantage in the sun.
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I saw some interesting statistic stating that Saracens have won the majority of their knock out games in their away kit, and having a poor record in their home kit.
The theory being that as the season closes, the weather gets hotter and wearing white gives them an advantage in the sun.
Worked for us when we hammered Glaws in THAT final.
And I've still got the shirt, an absolute classic
And actually, thinking about it, didn't we regularly wear white in those finals?
I expected a more vociferous reaction to getting in the playoffs that we have seen.

Quote:Bath Hammer
Where’s Ovalballer these days, the guy who criticised everything. I wonder what his take is now?
Bathovalballer was banned from this forum a long time ago - maybe 2 seasons?
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Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Bath Hammer
Where’s Ovalballer these days, the guy who criticised everything. I wonder what his take is now?
Bathovalballer was banned from this forum a long time ago - maybe 2 seasons?
Was that the trigger for the turnaround then? Nothing to do with JvG's appointment
Quote:gaz59Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Bath Hammer
Where’s Ovalballer these days, the guy who criticised everything. I wonder what his take is now?
Bathovalballer was banned from this forum a long time ago - maybe 2 seasons?
Was that the trigger for the turnaround then? Nothing to do with JvG's appointment
One and the same Gaz. Was all a strategy to get the top job. Allegedly. Or not.
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Quote:BathMatt53Quote:gaz59Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Bath Hammer
Where’s Ovalballer these days, the guy who criticised everything. I wonder what his take is now?
Bathovalballer was banned from this forum a long time ago - maybe 2 seasons?
Was that the trigger for the turnaround then? Nothing to do with JvG's appointment
One and the same Gaz. Was all a strategy to get the top job. Allegedly. Or not.
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Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Bath Hammer
Where’s Ovalballer these days, the guy who criticised everything. I wonder what his take is now?
Bathovalballer was banned from this forum a long time ago - maybe 2 seasons?
From Bathovalballer to me earlier today (in a text):
"Please enlighten the troops with my recent messages of total support for the boys in BB&W and also my revised thoughts on Farleigh Towers now I have had the pleasure of visiting the place".
PG
Quote:P G TipsQuote:BathMatt53Quote:Bath Hammer
Where’s Ovalballer these days, the guy who criticised everything. I wonder what his take is now?
Bathovalballer was banned from this forum a long time ago - maybe 2 seasons?
From Bathovalballer to me earlier today (in a text):
"Please enlighten the troops with my recent messages of total support for the boys in BB&W and also my revised thoughts on Farleigh Towers now I have had the pleasure of visiting the place".
PG
I can't decide if that is genuine or elaborate sarcasm.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
Could the prodigal return?
Hope so, passionate Bath supporter (perhaps too passionate some times!) but added colour to the board for sure.
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Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
Could the prodigal return?
Hope so, passionate Bath supporter (perhaps too passionate some times!) but added colour to the board for sure.
Completely agree
Quote:shipwrecked
My impression is we have lost a fair few posters recently, is the forum as popular as it was in terms of visitors.
I expected a more vociferous reaction to getting in the playoffs that we have seen.
Suspect you'd see more activity on Facebook, which I'd guess has more active users.
Enjoying Bath's excellent progress and revamped successful culture. Sadly not actually able to get to matches but got the telly so not all is lost.
Also grateful that rest of family, who actively support the unmentionables have stopped being patronising.
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My impression is we have lost a fair few posters recently, is the forum as popular as it was in terms of visitors.
I expected a more vociferous reaction to getting in the playoffs that we have seen.
I suspect many are concentrating on securing tickets!
PG
Whilst Bath are probably one of the more financially secure clubs at the moment, we're still not profitable, so the extra revenue generated from 14,000 spectators (assuming it sells out) could be quite noticeable when the next set of accounts are released.
Currently matchday revenue seems to be the most significant source of income for clubs, and though there have been some supplementary games this season (2 friendlies in January, Prem Cup home fixtures) they had so little riding on them that the ticket prices were cheap and they weren't sellouts so unlikely to have been particularly profitable. This home semi is a totally different beast given every attendee will have paid extra to be there (as not included in season tickets). Whilst it obviously would have been nice from a fan perspective for the club to include it on season tickets, I'm of the view that given the team's performances this season they've earned the right to charge for this game (although weirdly buying my season ticket seat was quite a bit cheaper than buying additional tickets to other games earlier in the season).
It must give everyone behind the scenes at Bath a real skip in their step, especially given the club has missed out on a few home fixtures of late (the match that got moved to Kingsholm last season, Quins pipping us to a home european fixture on points difference). Now it's just the small task of spending the next 2 weeks trying to top the razzmatazz of "Rec fest" and turn the ground into a seething fortress that will strike fear into the hearts of our opponents.
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Quote:boozeboozebooze
Now it's just the small task of spending the next 2 weeks trying to top the razzmatazz of "Rec fest" and turn the ground into a seething fortress that will strike fear into the hearts of our opponents.
...and somehow ensuring that the sun comes back out for another nice afternoon of running rugby.
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Quote:shipwrecked
My impression is we have lost a fair few posters recently, is the forum as popular as it was in terms of visitors.
I expected a more vociferous reaction to getting in the playoffs that we have seen.
I know what you mean. Looking back down the thread there isn't a great amount of eulogising over what is a decent position for the club. In particular nothing much was made of the two Will Muir tries, both exceptional and worth watching over and over again. Horse doing what he does best and brilliance from the assistors, particularly the first try, a thing of absolute beauty and good enough to be try of the season.
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Perhaps the lack of eulogies is down to the knowledge that Bath played a "heavily rotated" (i.e. "A" selection) Saints team?
Muir's try does though get celebration -from WT above.
PG

Quote:Don't think Bath will ever be a '..seething fortress' tbh, but the support this season has been decent. As to charging for the SF, it wasn't budgeted on the ST and I'd have been amazed if they offered the tickets to us free. I was fearful that they'd ask the stupid money they've been charging for the top Euro and Prem games so was pleasantly surprised at being charged £47, although given it's all automated I'm not quite sure what the £2 booking fee is for.boozeboozebooze
One other positive from the weekend's results that I think is worth mentioning is how much of a boost it will be to the club to get an additional meaningful home fixture to help balance the books.
Whilst Bath are probably one of the more financially secure clubs at the moment, we're still not profitable, so the extra revenue generated from 14,000 spectators (assuming it sells out) could be quite noticeable when the next set of accounts are released.
Currently matchday revenue seems to be the most significant source of income for clubs, and though there have been some supplementary games this season (2 friendlies in January, Prem Cup home fixtures) they had so little riding on them that the ticket prices were cheap and they weren't sellouts so unlikely to have been particularly profitable. This home semi is a totally different beast given every attendee will have paid extra to be there (as not included in season tickets). Whilst it obviously would have been nice from a fan perspective for the club to include it on season tickets, I'm of the view that given the team's performances this season they've earned the right to charge for this game (although weirdly buying my season ticket seat was quite a bit cheaper than buying additional tickets to other games earlier in the season).
It must give everyone behind the scenes at Bath a real skip in their step, especially given the club has missed out on a few home fixtures of late (the match that got moved to Kingsholm last season, Quins pipping us to a home european fixture on points difference). Now it's just the small task of spending the next 2 weeks trying to top the razzmatazz of "Rec fest" and turn the ground into a seething fortress that will strike fear into the hearts of our opponents.

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I hope we don’t underestimate Sale, 5 in a row, won at Sarries with a clear game plan. Ford, Manu and Roebuck and a few crazyilly physical South Africans it won’t be at all easy even if we are at home.
Manu did his hamstring. I doubt he'll be fit. I'm a lot more worried that his absence means that Sam James will start in the centres. Bosh we can handle, extreme rugby intelligence is a lot more difficult to counter.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu

Quote:shipwrecked
Sure? I’ve not seen that reported in the press.
It's what Manu said when he was interviewed mid-match. The hammy bit, not Sam James!
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Sure? I’ve not seen that reported in the press.
It's what Manu said when he was interviewed mid-match. The hammy bit, not Sam James!
OK, just not seen it, Manu had a decent game against us at the Rec.

Quote:hasta
Being brutally honest... We always get more posts after a loss because there's more to argue and debate. Everyone agreeing that it's been a fantastic performance and season is a nice change after the past 8-9 years!
Also it’s potentially more appealing to go online and moan whilst we’re playing badly but when we’re playing well people want to focus on the match.
Out of interest is the number of visitors rising or falling gents?

Beyond that, there's the other factors mentioned, losses and poor performance brings people to their keyboards far more than winning and playing well. That's just human nature.
There's only so far a discussion of "what a brilliant day that was, we played well as a team, and I particularly liked this move, and that 5 minutes". Whilst a discussion of "screwed by the ref" "what an idiot to give away that stupid penalty" "it wasn't (favourite player)'s fault, it was his inside man's" "let's analyse this defensive lapse" "Coach Out" "you're no true fan" "can't we have some positivity for a change" "I'll be positive when the team shows some" can go on for way longer.
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