2021 Could Williams turn things around?
By Andrew Hooper
January 1 2022
As we prepare for the start of the 2022 Formula One season time to look back at 2021. For me at the start of the year I had one simple question could the Williams Racing Team turn things around? With all the changes with new owners and new management could the team make any sort of progress in 2021. Thankfully we got to the end of the season and the answer was a positive yes. 2021 had been a far more encouraging season for the team ultlimately finishing eighth in the Constructors Championship. To come away from 2021 with a belief that the team could make progress was such a change from previous years. Now bring on 2022.
2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Williams F1 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2022 08:36
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Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: ghettonation (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2022 17:57
Damn right we will. Had enough of seeing third rate teams like Aston Martin and Alpha Tauri beating us. I'm predicting 4th in constructors for us.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Mr Brooksy (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2022 21:28
Quote:ghettonation
Damn right we will. Had enough of seeing third rate teams like Aston Martin and Alpha Tauri beating us. I'm predicting 4th in constructors for us.
4th is a BIG call after our recent form. Hey I'd take it, but that would mean beating one of the top teams to achieve 4th. We'd have to beat McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull or Mercedes.
I'd be wrapped if we could get 6th this year, 5th would be a dream. 4th maybe in '23?
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 01/01/2022 22:07
Anything I side the top 6 would be an amazing achievement. I don't think we can ask for anything more.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Matt Brown (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2022 01:35
I think 6th will be the best Williams can do this year.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Andrew Hooper (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2022 02:53
Yes new car, newish drivers and just the whole uncertainty that this brings. But despite this if all the parts can fall in together I don't see why we shouldn't be aiming for 6th.
May not be as high as some would hope but still have to remember that we are on a process of recovery and it will take a few years and also it depends on how the other teams improve relative to us. Always the thing of the moving goalposts.
But the main thing is that I can't see us going back to the days where the team really struggles. We have all the things in place to have a memorable 2022.
May not be as high as some would hope but still have to remember that we are on a process of recovery and it will take a few years and also it depends on how the other teams improve relative to us. Always the thing of the moving goalposts.
But the main thing is that I can't see us going back to the days where the team really struggles. We have all the things in place to have a memorable 2022.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: peterdebel (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2022 07:10
The title says "2021 Could Williams turn things around?"
Shouldn't it rightly be "2022 Could Williams....?"
Looking very much forward to the 23-25 february i Barcelona
Shouldn't it rightly be "2022 Could Williams....?"
Looking very much forward to the 23-25 february i Barcelona
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: boro1986willliamsf1 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2022 08:11
Anything higher than 9th would be massive improvement I'm been realistic the team are targeting 23 for massive improvement so I won't get my hopes up to high we will be at a disadvantage at first over the new tyres because we haven't tested them but roll on testing can't wait
100% Williams
WILL SUPPORT WILLIAMS AS LONG AS We HAVE A TEAM To Support
100% Williams
WILL SUPPORT WILLIAMS AS LONG AS We HAVE A TEAM To Support
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 02/01/2022 21:41
I'm slightly pessimistic and I give it 50% chance we will finish 9th or 10th in WCC- because we have one of the weakest driver pairings, one of the lowest budgets in F1, we haven't produced a semi-decent car since 2017 and we've underwent a leadership transition process while the 2022 car was already being designed so it's not ideal.
On the other hand, remembering 2012 and 2014, I give it 25% chance that we will be a positive surprise of the season once more.
I have no idea what the 2022 shake up will bring but the bitter truth is that Williams no longer "belongs" in the top5 or top6 teams in F1. If we get there, it'll be overperforming like Force India in some of their seasons between 2010-2017. There's no reason to think we should be upper midfield under normal circumstances, most of the teams are on paper stronger than us.
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On the other hand, remembering 2012 and 2014, I give it 25% chance that we will be a positive surprise of the season once more.
I have no idea what the 2022 shake up will bring but the bitter truth is that Williams no longer "belongs" in the top5 or top6 teams in F1. If we get there, it'll be overperforming like Force India in some of their seasons between 2010-2017. There's no reason to think we should be upper midfield under normal circumstances, most of the teams are on paper stronger than us.
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Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Andrew Hooper (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2022 00:25
Yes 2022 not so much a case of turn things around but make the steps forward to take them higher up the championship order. So many factors come into play in that matter, drivers, car, management plans, even luck on the track.
Be nice to be able to achieve something like 6th but so much has to fall into place for that to happen. But to say that Williams can not achieve a position like this is ignoring the fact that the team is now positioning itself to do just that. Maybe not in 2022 but certainly in the years beyond.
Be nice to be able to achieve something like 6th but so much has to fall into place for that to happen. But to say that Williams can not achieve a position like this is ignoring the fact that the team is now positioning itself to do just that. Maybe not in 2022 but certainly in the years beyond.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Mehryar (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2022 09:17
7th and joining the backend of midfield on regular basis is enough for me.
After all we don't have a George in our car and we are the only team to miss testing with 18 inch wheels.It will hurt us for sure so anything better than last season is a sign of steady progress for me.

After all we don't have a George in our car and we are the only team to miss testing with 18 inch wheels.It will hurt us for sure so anything better than last season is a sign of steady progress for me.

Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Matt Brown (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2022 10:18
I would be happy if Williams finish 6th or 7th in the 2022 WCC but the big problem is the Williams driver pairing is very weak ...... Latifi and Albon are completely hopeless....

Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Matt Brown (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2022 10:46
Poor driver pairing 





Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2022 14:36
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Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2022 14:37
I'd like to think Albon being able to redeem himself.
I just don't see him as a guy that we can build our team around for the years to come. We do need a true talented youngster in our team that is affiliated with us. Not with the likes of Mercedes like Russell was. And I can't say Sargeant is going to do this either. Likely a good PR choice to have an American in our team at a time where F1 is actually properly setting foot on American soil. But he isn't nor ever will be our David to beat Goliath.
I just don't see him as a guy that we can build our team around for the years to come. We do need a true talented youngster in our team that is affiliated with us. Not with the likes of Mercedes like Russell was. And I can't say Sargeant is going to do this either. Likely a good PR choice to have an American in our team at a time where F1 is actually properly setting foot on American soil. But he isn't nor ever will be our David to beat Goliath.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: peterdebel (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2022 16:12
Its very simple.....
Just make the car BLOODY FAST, and give her a reliable engine while easy on the tirewear.
The drivers....Please surprise me positive.
Just make the car BLOODY FAST, and give her a reliable engine while easy on the tirewear.
The drivers....Please surprise me positive.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/01/2022 22:37
I have given up hoping for much. Too many disappointments! Progress will be good enough for me.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 04/01/2022 11:23
Target would be 5th this year.
Drivers could be the weak point.
Drivers could be the weak point.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Andrew R B (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2022 02:54
The second half of last season, the Team started to pick up points. Would be nice to get one, or two cars finishing in the points on a consistent basis.
I think Albon may do alright, will have something to prove. Not sure about Latifi, hopefully he can kick on and pick up points during the season. When Fernando Alonso came back into F1, would have been fantastic if he had joined us. He was brilliant at Renault, drove for Ferrari and McClaren, his experience would have been immense.
I think we could pick up points here and there. A Podium, it would be nice, maybe not this season. Williams could finish 9th, at best 7th. Have to ask can we beat the likes of Aston Martin and Alfa Romeo?
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I think Albon may do alright, will have something to prove. Not sure about Latifi, hopefully he can kick on and pick up points during the season. When Fernando Alonso came back into F1, would have been fantastic if he had joined us. He was brilliant at Renault, drove for Ferrari and McClaren, his experience would have been immense.
I think we could pick up points here and there. A Podium, it would be nice, maybe not this season. Williams could finish 9th, at best 7th. Have to ask can we beat the likes of Aston Martin and Alfa Romeo?
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Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 05/01/2022 09:22
Such low expectations rom some of you guys.
If the new design team is as clever as people are saying plus all the other good things happening back at Grove are true ie organisation, updated equipment and a good amount of money, then
i think we can build a fast car capable of running at 4th or fifth fastest on race day.
Merc engine and gearbox this year, and maybe rear suspension .
People in charge now who have a winning menality who are not afraid to change what does not work in a heart beat.
Albon should be able to extact the potencial of the new car.
Latifi is a weaker link and only his dad,s money will help for the cars progress but still should
be able to score some points with a good car.
Red Bull, Merc, Ferrari will be out of reach this year but we should be able to match Mclaren, Alpine AlphaTauri.
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If the new design team is as clever as people are saying plus all the other good things happening back at Grove are true ie organisation, updated equipment and a good amount of money, then
i think we can build a fast car capable of running at 4th or fifth fastest on race day.
Merc engine and gearbox this year, and maybe rear suspension .
People in charge now who have a winning menality who are not afraid to change what does not work in a heart beat.
Albon should be able to extact the potencial of the new car.
Latifi is a weaker link and only his dad,s money will help for the cars progress but still should
be able to score some points with a good car.
Red Bull, Merc, Ferrari will be out of reach this year but we should be able to match Mclaren, Alpine AlphaTauri.
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Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/01/2022 19:16
My expectations are low. I am simple allowing head room to be overjoyed. Expect nothing then be overjoyed with something type approach.
It doesn’t mean I aren’t positive though as a lot is in the positive column at the moment but then all the competitors havent been sat on their hands either.
Fingers crossed.
It doesn’t mean I aren’t positive though as a lot is in the positive column at the moment but then all the competitors havent been sat on their hands either.
Fingers crossed.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2022 08:12
Well we have about 5 weeks before they start to reveal the all new challengers. guys.
Any thoughts.
Any thoughts.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Mr Brooksy (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2022 09:34
Quote:GPL
Well we have about 5 weeks before they start to reveal the all new challengers. guys.
Any thoughts.
Please can we have a bunch of non Dorilton sponsors? And a less busy livery especially on the rear half of the car?
Oh and a good jump in competitiveness please... And maybe a VW exclusive brand deal for the next stage in engine regs please...
Not asking too much am I?
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: j-s (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2022 17:56
I think it'll be tough to finish 6th or higher, and would honestly be surprised if it happens. Past few years have been rough, and getting the max out of a very mature set of regulations has not been easy for Williams... Granted, the level of investment has been low, but I still wonder how the team will suddenly become more adept at finding performance on a new set of aero regs. That's my gut feeling, anyways.
Positives:
- Management teams seems to be on top of things. Capito and Co. have a plan.
- More prize money from moving up a couple of spots on WCC
- Hope that Dorilton can coax some partners into sponsoring. Not kosher, but who cares.
- New regs could bunch up the field, and that could reward driver talent.
Negatives:
- Driver talent is not top shelf. Or middle shelf either. I think George will be missed, although I still have some hope for Albon. His sabbatical might've been good for his psyche.
- Some worrying MIAs on the testing schedule and tyre tests
- Still plenty of empty visual real estate on the car, and our sponsors mentions are usually followed by "who the hell is that?".
- Financials are an eternal worry for this team
- Still owned by a financial investment firm. Yuck.
Positives:
- Management teams seems to be on top of things. Capito and Co. have a plan.
- More prize money from moving up a couple of spots on WCC
- Hope that Dorilton can coax some partners into sponsoring. Not kosher, but who cares.
- New regs could bunch up the field, and that could reward driver talent.
Negatives:
- Driver talent is not top shelf. Or middle shelf either. I think George will be missed, although I still have some hope for Albon. His sabbatical might've been good for his psyche.
- Some worrying MIAs on the testing schedule and tyre tests
- Still plenty of empty visual real estate on the car, and our sponsors mentions are usually followed by "who the hell is that?".
- Financials are an eternal worry for this team
- Still owned by a financial investment firm. Yuck.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2022 10:44
To further add.
Our new owners should provide us with a healthy budget.
New price cap should equal things up.
Less wind tunnel time for top teams.
Top people have been poached from Mercedes.
All these things should help equal up the playing field,so game on.
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Our new owners should provide us with a healthy budget.
New price cap should equal things up.
Less wind tunnel time for top teams.
Top people have been poached from Mercedes.
All these things should help equal up the playing field,so game on.
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Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2022 11:20
what budget do you think we will have to work with this year guys .
I guess hope it will be at least 110 Mill euro.
140 MILL euro is the limit this season is it not.
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I guess hope it will be at least 110 Mill euro.
140 MILL euro is the limit this season is it not.
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Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Mr Brooksy (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2022 02:48
Quote:GPL
what budget do you think we will have to work with this year guys .
I guess hope it will be at least 110 Mill euro.
145 MILL euro is the limit this season is it not.
I think we need a full budget. Anything less and we may as well expect to be fighting Sauber/Alfa Romeo again for 8th.
Slightly off topic... Upgrading the facilities and factory equipment... Is that now under the cost cap or not? I think it is, but I'm having a crisis of confidence when it comes to the ol' memory.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2022 16:42
Quote:GPL
what budget do you think we will have to work with this year guys .
I guess hope it will be at least 110 Mill euro.
145 MILL euro is the limit this season is it not.
We need a full budget or we aren’t heading up the grid in any meaningful way.
As an aside, how do the FIA even police the budgets? It’s impossible. Eg Merc can use any part of their huge organisation to do work for Merc F1 at below market pricing and no one would know. Every F1 team could do the same.
Re: 2021 Could Williams turn things around?
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2022 14:40
Quote:Stu69Quote:GPL
what budget do you think we will have to work with this year guys .
I guess hope it will be at least 110 Mill euro.
145 MILL euro is the limit this season is it not.
We need a full budget or we aren’t heading up the grid in any meaningful way.
As an aside, how do the FIA even police the budgets? It’s impossible. Eg Merc can use any part of their huge organisation to do work for Merc F1 at below market pricing and no one would know. Every F1 team could do the same.
In essence; every update must come with a set of documents that clarify how many hours or labor it has taken to produce it. That is then being judged by the FIA and if neccesary, further clarification can be asked.
And I do not think that teams will want to go through great lengths to cheat. Because penalties will be severe. Even more than the 100 million of Woking abomination back in 2007.
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