Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
By Andrew Hooper
March 29 2023
Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Williams F1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 09:20
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Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: shriekback (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 12:05
"He is here on merit and as a result of Williams investing correctly in him. So it just shows you that my previous life I was wrong and Williams were right!"
Of course Vowles would say that now. Fortunately, he's got good grounds for doing so. Sargeant has exceeded all reasonable expectations so far. It's very early yet, of course, but let's hope he keeps up the good form, stays within his limits (i.e. out of the barriers), and gets better and better.
I haven't thought it would be that huge a boost for Williams just to have an American driver. An American that's good looking, articulate, and (most importantly) consistently fast? That would be a whole different matter! He's got the first two nailed (if I'm any judge) and shows genuine signs of the third.
Overseeing the delivery of a significantly improved car and signing a potential star driver that other teams had overlooked. That's at least two things we (and Vowles) should be grateful to Capito for.
Of course Vowles would say that now. Fortunately, he's got good grounds for doing so. Sargeant has exceeded all reasonable expectations so far. It's very early yet, of course, but let's hope he keeps up the good form, stays within his limits (i.e. out of the barriers), and gets better and better.
I haven't thought it would be that huge a boost for Williams just to have an American driver. An American that's good looking, articulate, and (most importantly) consistently fast? That would be a whole different matter! He's got the first two nailed (if I'm any judge) and shows genuine signs of the third.
Overseeing the delivery of a significantly improved car and signing a potential star driver that other teams had overlooked. That's at least two things we (and Vowles) should be grateful to Capito for.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2023 08:43
Am I the only one who is disappointed with the performance of the second car?
We are in the same position as last year but with £30mill less!
We have swapped one very nice but slow driver for another very nice but slow driver.
I am seeing no glimpses of brilliance on which to hang some hope! 1 car team again!
We are in the same position as last year but with £30mill less!
We have swapped one very nice but slow driver for another very nice but slow driver.
I am seeing no glimpses of brilliance on which to hang some hope! 1 car team again!
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: boro1986willliamsf1 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2023 09:49
Quote:Give him at least half a season no top driver hits the top in the first season Lewis and Senna are 2 of the exception I can think ofStu69
Am I the only one who is disappointed with the performance of the second car?
We are in the same position as last year but with £30mill less!
We have swapped one very nice but slow driver for another very nice but slow driver.
I am seeing no glimpses of brilliance on which to hang some hope! 1 car team again!
100% Williams
WILL SUPPORT WILLIAMS AS LONG AS We HAVE A TEAM To Support
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2023 10:26
Disappointed so far should be closer to Alex.
Alex is pretty good but still 3 to 4 ths off the best on the grid i would say.
Alex is pretty good but still 3 to 4 ths off the best on the grid i would say.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2023 12:20
Quote:boro1986willliamsf1Quote:Give him at least half a season no top driver hits the top in the first season Lewis and Senna are 2 of the exception I can think ofStu69
Am I the only one who is disappointed with the performance of the second car?
We are in the same position as last year but with £30mill less!
We have swapped one very nice but slow driver for another very nice but slow driver.
I am seeing no glimpses of brilliance on which to hang some hope! 1 car team again!
Do you believe he is a top driver?
No signs of any brilliance at any point so far. Not a glimmer of hope!
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: boro1986willliamsf1 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2023 18:50
That's why I'd give him this season to see if he can be a good driver
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Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2023 19:04
Quote:boro1986willliamsf1
That's why I'd give him this season to see if he can be a good driver
No chance but he will get the whole season unfortunately! NEXT!!!
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Damon96 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2023 21:44
Quote:boro1986willliamsf1Quote:Give him at least half a season no top driver hits the top in the first season Lewis and Senna are 2 of the exception I can think ofStu69
Am I the only one who is disappointed with the performance of the second car?
We are in the same position as last year but with £30mill less!
We have swapped one very nice but slow driver for another very nice but slow driver.
I am seeing no glimpses of brilliance on which to hang some hope! 1 car team again!
Hate to say it but agree, might as well had the money. He had a good start to his F2 career but as soon as he was linked with Williams he started to go a bit downhill and after a reasonable start in F1 is going backwards.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: boro1986willliamsf1 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2023 22:20
You were all moaning last season with Latifi in the car now we have a Rookie in the car your not happy even Devices is struggling so is Piastri
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Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 05:52
Boro if you are happy with one car under performing that’s fine but I aren’t. He needs to sort his sh* t out and rapidly make progress or he will have a short tenure in F1. The car is a solid midfield machine and he needs to be able to represent it as such. If it was a dog that would be different.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 10:02
If he is any good he should be matching Alex at least.
I don,t see it, so time to look for a better driver ,we have the money.
The field is so close this year we need a racer who can pull out the stops and qualify
well on a Saturday Logan does not appear to be able to do this so far.
As it stands we are pretty much a one car team again this year.
A lot of people had doubts anyway before he joined us.
It was Capito,s decision anyway not our new manager , who i think would of passed on Logan
given the choice.
I know Vowles has said he may have been wrong about Logan, but his initial thoughts about Logan not being F1 material seem to be correct.
I don,t see it, so time to look for a better driver ,we have the money.
The field is so close this year we need a racer who can pull out the stops and qualify
well on a Saturday Logan does not appear to be able to do this so far.
As it stands we are pretty much a one car team again this year.
A lot of people had doubts anyway before he joined us.
It was Capito,s decision anyway not our new manager , who i think would of passed on Logan
given the choice.
I know Vowles has said he may have been wrong about Logan, but his initial thoughts about Logan not being F1 material seem to be correct.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: ghettonation (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 11:45
WTF is wrong with you people on here? The entire field in Q1 was separated by 1.2 seconds and you're moaning he's not good enough after what four or five races. Jeez people STFU and give the lad a chance. In the words of Taylor swift You need to calm down.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 13:39
Quote:ghettonation
WTF is wrong with you people on here? The entire field in Q1 was separated by 1.2 seconds and you're moaning he's not good enough after what four or five races. Jeez people STFU and give the lad a chance. In the words of Taylor swift You need to calm down.
Calm Ghetto
The thing is, if we had seen any glimpses of brilliance I would agree but the facts are the facts. However if he can turn it round that’s great too, it needs to happen soon though, but I will put money he can’t.
We might get an odd freak result, Latifi did, but ultimately F1 was beyond him, Logan is very nice, very marketable but ultimately looking very slow! FW45 and hopefully 46 deserves better.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Damon96 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 14:05
I guess a different question is why are all the new drivers performing so disappointingly? Is it a lack of testing combined with how different these cars are to F2? Mick seemed ok but B only because he was against an awful driver, he was destroyed by K Mag. There hasn’t been an outstanding junior racer since George and Lando joined the grid.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: tomazy (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 14:21
Quote:GPL
Disappointed so far should be closer to Alex.
Alex is pretty good but still 3 to 4 ths off the best on the grid i would say.
No way is Alex 3 or 4 ths of the best, that would mean that FW45 is only 0,6 slower than red bull car in Miami.
I compared Q1 times of Albon, Sargent vs Albon, Latifi for Bahrain, Australia, Miami and Baku. Logan is 0,3s slowe in those races than Albon, but Latifi was 0,683s slower in the same races.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Myvatn (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 14:57
Guys, as much as I would have expected Sargeant to perform a bit better than he did so far, he’s a rookie and he needs time to get up to speed properly, which is made difficult by the very limited amount of testing.
Comparisons with Latifi are a bit pointless, the guy was still out of his depth in his third full season.
Also, Williams has now a few junior drivers in their academy and is in any case finally back to choosing drivers on merit and not money. Let’s wait and see: if Sarge doesn’t get up to speed by the end of the year, there’s nothing that prevents the team from replacing him. That’s already a huge improvement over the past years, when we had to endure incompetent drivers one after the other just for sponsorship reasons.
Comparisons with Latifi are a bit pointless, the guy was still out of his depth in his third full season.
Also, Williams has now a few junior drivers in their academy and is in any case finally back to choosing drivers on merit and not money. Let’s wait and see: if Sarge doesn’t get up to speed by the end of the year, there’s nothing that prevents the team from replacing him. That’s already a huge improvement over the past years, when we had to endure incompetent drivers one after the other just for sponsorship reasons.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: tomazy (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 15:02
Comparisons to Latifi are not useless, Sargent is miles better than him allready and he still has potential to be better.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: Myvatn (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 16:33
Quote:tomazy
Comparisons to Latifi are not useless, Sargent is miles better than him allready and he still has potential to be better.
Yeah, but Latifi is just not a useful benchmark for any serious driver. That they are not in the same league is evident from their junior careers already.
Re: Vowles: Sargeant is here on merit
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2023 19:41
Quote:tomazyQuote:GPL
Disappointed so far should be closer to Alex.
Alex is pretty good but still 3 to 4 ths off the best on the grid i would say.
No way is Alex 3 or 4 ths of the best, that would mean that FW45 is only 0,6 slower than red bull car in Miami.
I compared Q1 times of Albon, Sargent vs Albon, Latifi for Bahrain, Australia, Miami and Baku. Logan is 0,3s slowe in those races than Albon, but Latifi was 0,683s slower in the same races.
There are a few drivers on the grid that could pinch a further tenth in every sector in the 45 so there is my extra 3 ths.
Put Alex in the Redbull and he would probably be 3 ths off what Max could squeeze out of it.
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