Match Thread: Wolves v Burnley 25.8.19

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Not as warm as it is here in Chania, Crete Ivy!! I’m expecting temperatures of 30 degrees today!! Having said that it will be a tad cooler by 6:30pm here when our game kicks off. I am reassured by my bar owner that he will be able to screen it for me so I hope to be able to contribute. I also hope we will secure three points and move above Man Utd in the table!!

Cant stand the heat myself , its 30 degrees in norfolk .. bearing in mind at this early stage we are in the relegation zone, a win seems essential at home to Burnley. Draws against Leicester/united arent terrible results but a draw is normally always a bad result unless circumstances are exceptional. The teams near the bottom will almost always draw more games than teams further up the league. People go on about unbeaten runs but the number of wins dictate league position not getting 1 point out of 3 for a stale draw.

it is a sign of advanced years when you start saying "I remember when ......" but in days gone by, when it required some work, no-one even published a league table before the third, or even fifth fixture. And I am not sure either of our first two games could have been described as stale (bit sluggish in parts maybe) so I am going into this one without the normal trepidation. Nuno will surely have one eye on Torino, whatever he may say otherwise.
Come on Burnley, do your worst!!

Burnley will probably present us with a solid contest so I am hoping that we start the match quickly and impose ourselves, we are the more skilful and will need to make it count.

One change form the usual line-up for today’s game with Morgan’s Gibbs-White getting a run out whilst Saiss doesn’t make the squad.
Line -up: Patricio, Bennett, Coady, Boly, Doherty, Gibbs-White, Neves, Moutinho, Jonny, Jimenez, Jota
Subs: Ruddy, Vinagre, Vallejo, Dendoncker, Traore, Neto, Cutrone

Only Dendoncker makes way for MGW. Very strong lineup indicating Premier League come first.

Well I hope I going to be able to watch it in my local bar on a stream from
Israel!! Having said that at the moment it has frozen!!

Good effort by Neves just over the bar

Almost all the play so far in the B’ley half. Good build up play but no goal threat yet

First effort on goal for B’ley after good play Barnes shoots wide

Poor clearance to Barnes and he sticks it into bottom
Corner from outside the area
Wolves 0 Burnley 1

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it is a sign of advanced years when you start saying "I remember when ......" but in days gone by, when it required some work, no-one even published a league table before the third, or even fifth fixture. And I am not sure either of our first two games could have been described as stale (bit sluggish in parts maybe) so I am going into this one without the normal trepidation. Nuno will surely have one eye on Torino, whatever he may say otherwise.
Come on Burnley, do your worst!!

In days gone by they also had a phrase , never count your chickens

Hacked off the line , Burnley should be 2 up - we're getting ripped apart

Lucky not to concede a second as Mee’s header hits bar then post

I dont know why MGW is starting , he isnt physically strong enough to play at this level

That second near goal was a terrifying scramble. We got lucky

Early days... and we played Thursday. Still getting over the shock of the cricket..

Some long overdue build up play from Wolves but comes to nothing. Burnley are out muscling us by & large

Great save from Patricio

We cant use the excuse of Thursday football , it's possibly the worst performance Ive seen under nuno as manager so far. If we reach the group stages of the Europa league , we will be playing thurs/sunday most weeks. The reason we are struggling against a@#$%&team at home again like Huddersfield last season is down to our counter attacking style - it works against attack minded teams , vs lesser teams its always a struggle

we should be three or four down so far

Neves and Moutinho are being snuffed out

Some bloody poor passing from the Doc so far

Come on Wolves. We're at home and its soddin' Burnley!

Nice flurry of attacking play at the end of the half but glad it’s only 1-0. Time to regroup.

Get Traore and crutone on ffs , mgw the big over hyped young English "talent" isn't good enough for wolves let alone England and doc is having a nightmare. It's ridiculous Traore not starting after his performances of late

They just put up the stats which said we had 60% possession and a better accuracy of passing.
Let’s see if we can conjure up a bit of fluency. In second half.

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They just put up the stats which said we had 60% possession and a better accuracy of passing.
Let’s see if we can conjure up a bit of fluency. In second half.

Well if someone has put up we had 60% possession maybe they had a guide dog and white stick- Burnley dominated and we couldnt string two passes together. Statistics like this mean nothing in football, it's what you do with possession and a defender passing 3 yards to a keeper is 100% accuracy compared to a raking pass to a striker to score

Really poor performance from us in the first half against a team who always look dangerous when they break. Tarkowski and Mee have got the measure of our front two so far. We look out of sorts and Nuno will have to read the riot act I think. It’s probably going to something special like Neves goal on Mon to draw this game!!

Poor first half.
Doc is not his usual self and we are missing Donk in midfield.
Burnley are hustling us in midfield so Neves and Moutinho are by and large negated. Little creativity which is probably why MGW was included but it’s not working.
Better second half needed.

Second half underway with no changes

Ashley barnes for burnley blazing wide from 6 yards, be daylight robbery if burnley dont win this



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MGW slashes a ball wide then Barnes should have scored but put it just wide

We are rubbish today!! Dendoncker to replace Moutihno!!!!! He must be tired after three games in a week

Bennett is having an afternoon to forget too!!

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Bennett is having an afternoon to forget too!!

And so is Jimenez!!

Neto coming on for MGW

Aarron Lennon replaces Gudmunssen for B’ley & MGW is replaced by Neto

Traore warming up. How much warming does a Spaniard need in this heat?

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Bennett is having an afternoon to forget too!!

And so is Jimenez!!

Add Jota to that list. Doc replaced by Traore - at last!!

Traore on for Doherty. About time. Give Cutrone a run at them too.

Dreadful effort by Traore with his left foot. Good save by Pope to stop an own goal which is as close as we have come in this half!!

Great ball by Neves to release Jota but he couldn’t get a clean shot away

Neves brings out a save with a low shot

BBC stats. show 12 shots by Wolves. 0 on target.

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BBC stats. show 12 shots by Wolves. 0 on target.

That’s not accurate BW Neves brought out a save. Pope and B’ley defence are mopping up all the crosses put in from our wings. Raul hits the post



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Into the last minute Penalty to Wolves

Undefeated in three!!!!

was it a deserved pen

I lost my stream so didnt see if it was a pen or not

Raul puts it away casually as you like. Tarkowski took Raul’s foot away,
Ref gave the pen and VAR confirmed it. All over & I think we deserved a draw as we did nearly all the attacking in second half.

It was coolly taken by Raul

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Undefeated in three!!!!

great stuff , lets go undefeated in 38 , with all draws and end up back in the championship :/ 3 points from 9 is borderline relegation form and I'd ignore those stats you're looking at as they're completely inaccurate

Three draws, all with big VAR calls.
Anyway we jumped about five places

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. All over & I think we deserved a draw .

Really?

Not one comment regarding the pen , poor show … never mind Il wait for match of the day later

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Three draws, all with big VAR calls.
Anyway we jumped about five places

I don’t think we’ve moved at all Chicago. B’ley however are in 6th place!!

Yes Angry I think we did the majority of the attacking in 2nd half whilst B’ley defended in numbers, so yes I think we deserved to get something from the game, but certainly not three points!!

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Undefeated in three!!!!

great stuff , lets go undefeated in 38 , with all draws and end up back in the championship :/ 3 points from 9 is borderline relegation form and I'd ignore those stats you're looking at as they're completely inaccurate

True, but if you look at the relegated teams last year they had few draws, lost plenty of course. We were not good today and you were right about Gibbs White and Traore but this will all be forgotten in a few weeks. That was eight competitive games and we are not yet at the end of August. Frantic stuff

I suppose this is the sort of result you get when one team is willing to commit players forward when in possession and the other so often goes backwards or sideways.
A poor showing today, we were lucky.

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Three draws, all with big VAR calls.
Anyway we jumped about five places

I don’t think we’ve moved at all Chicago. B’ley however are in 6th place!!

Yes Angry I think we did the majority of the attacking in 2nd half whilst B’ley defended in numbers, so yes I think we deserved to get something from the game, but certainly not three points!!

Well it's a game of opinions but I couldn't disagree more. I thought Burnley outplayed and outclassed us for virtually the entire game and a pen in stoppage time doesn't warrant a draw being a fair result and I hate Burnley.

The real concern is the lack of flexibility in nunos style, we set up the same way against every side with no back up plan at all.

On a more positive note, the more I see of Neto the more I like him.
Think that we may have signed a player with a really good future.

Blimey, it was hot sat in that sun. Only just cooled down.
Terrible performance by Wolves and although Burnley wasted time from the minute they scored I have to sadly admit that for three quarters of the match they were the better side on the day.
The only good thing to come from Wolves was the Jiminez penalty. The pressure on him with it being in the last minute wasn't helped by the fact that he was kept waiting by the fun killer that is VAR. That being said, he didn't have a good game and neither did anyone else.
Nuno can drop who he likes on Thursday and none of then can have any complaints.

I saw the whole match bar the stoppage time pen decision and having seen it , it's soft. A foul on the player but very unlikely we were going to score had the foul not occurred. Good news for us but I think game changers like pens shouldnt be given for things like that and it should be a free kick in the area instead of a little tap equalling a 90% chance of a goal with a pen. Having seen the highlights again I have concluded Cheshire is enjoying his vacation with copious amounts of alcohol to think we deserved a point from that .. Burnley have been robbed

We sat in the lower Steve Bull, got to the match 3 minutes late due to watching the cricket in the Clarendon pre match. What a fantastic finish to a test match. So many Wolves fans stayed to watch the end of the test and loads hurried out of their various watering holes To try and get to the turnstiles prior to KO! Many failed.
As for the match, don’t think I’ve ever been so hot at football, a sweltering 31C. Did that affect the football, probably is what I suspect but it was the same for both sides.
We got out of jail BIG time today. We were so poor first half, never really laid a finger on them and they probably should have been more than 1 ahead. Couldn’t say that anybody in gold deserved much credit. Jota and Jiminez below par, midfield power puff, MGW failing to deliver (as did Neves and Mout TBH) and I beginning to really wonder if he can (yes, he’s only young, I know, but I don’t get the vibe from him), Bennett and Boly missing headers, Coady poor on distribution, Doc anonymous in the main (he looked seriously off the pace).
Good finish by Barnes by the way. Burnley were by far the most assured in that first half
Second half we were better, marginally. Couldn’t understand why Donk came on for Moutinho rather than MGW. Couldn’t understand why Traore didn’t come on again at HT for Doc.
We huffed and puffed, Jiminez really unlucky with a characteristic turn on a sixpence and hitting the post but Burnley had chances too, it wasn’t one way.
In the end, in injury time, two long throws by Bennett caused mayhem in their box, the second leading the to penalty. Couldn’t really see it but at least we knew what the VAR wait was about today. Jiminez put the penalty away, so coolly. 1-1 , as said out of jail against a tenacious, well organised Burnley.
Overall, such a disappointing performance but I will take solace that we remain unbeaten. That on todays efforts has to be the positive but we desperately need a win. Everton next.
I will say this about Burnley, they are not on the same level as Pullis’s Stoke, but my god, they were dreadful with their awful time wasting tactics ... which seemed to start after they scored. Terrible stuff completely unchecked by the below par ref. Having said that they’ll be gutted not to get all 3 points and were they not so negative, I would sympathise a great deal more ...... we were not at the races. I now wondering if we made Manchester United look good on Monday?!!
I suggest we get Ben Stokes drafted in for the next league fixture. We need a bit of guile and spirit.
Enjoyed the day however!
UTW!

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Undefeated in three!!!!

great stuff , lets go undefeated in 38 , with all draws and end up back in the championship :/ 3 points from 9 is borderline relegation form and I'd ignore those stats you're looking at as they're completely inaccurate

I wouldn't worry too much at this stage AAW. The fixture congestion will ease after these qualifiers have finished, with 2 or 3 week breaks between European games for the rest of the calendar year (if we get through, obviously).

The players look tired (to be fair, that's wholly understandable having played 6 competitive games in 18 days) and I would suggest this is solely the reason we've started without a win in the league. The league form will come in the next few weeks and we'll still be looking at another top 10 finish, which will have been another great season.



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Re the Europa, you’re right, the fixtures are much better spaced, should we qualify to the league stage.

Just watched MOTD2. The penalty was as soft as they come! Given and then scored with aplomb however. Lacklustre all over the pitch but at least we kept going and the unbeaten status will do something for our confidence I’m sure, whether we deserved it or not. Essentially a poor performance but didn’t lose. I’ll take that.

UTW!

And I suppose that our expectations are much higher than they were just a few seasons ago when a draw was consistently seen as a good result.

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And I suppose that our expectations are much higher than they were just a few seasons ago when a draw was consistently seen as a good result.

If you'd told me just over 3 years ago, before the Fosun takeover (yes, it really is that short a time period), having just watched one of our worst seasons from an entertainment viewpoint in living memory, that we'd be a little disappointed having started a second Premier League season with 3 draws, one against Man Utd and one away at Leicester, whilst simultaneously being one home draw/win away from qualifying for the Europa League group stages, I'd have called in the whitecoats.

One word ladies and gentlemen - perspective.



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And I suppose that our expectations are much higher than they were just a few seasons ago when a draw was consistently seen as a good result.

Draws are never good results unless you are away to a big hitter - if draws are seen as good results who would take 38 points then on here? I think we will finish mid table again which 7th essentially was last season but prob around 10th -12th this time.

I don't know why people talk about unbeaten runs in football genuinely as its a meaningless statistic bearing in mind you could be unbeaten all season and finish relegated. Since the 3 points for a win came in , winning games is far more important than losing which is why the Arsenal invincible team will never be viewed for eg as impressive as a team that wins the most number of matches. 3 points from 9 is a fairly poor start and I fail to believe a 90 minute flight in a private plane is responsible coming back from Turin going along with this tiredness from travelling b0llocks. As we have previously alluded to, tennis players have back to back 5 set matches on consecutive days yet the poor lambs are tired sipping orange juice on a plane 3 days ago - it's quite funny really the guff some people believe if this daft propaganda about tiredness through travel gets spun by enough newspapers. There are athletes who run marathons on back to back days yet we are expected to believe that kicking a ball around for 90 minutes with most of that time not running is too exhausting on a Thursday to Sunday schedule. I call bull @#$%& I'm afraid... we failed to beat Burnley for the same reasons we failed to beat Huddersfield ,Watford etc last season at home. I fully expect us to travel to goodison next game and get a result with the counter attacking style coming into its own against an attack minded side with people saying we look fully rested again lol which I don't think has anything to do with it.

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And I suppose that our expectations are much higher than they were just a few seasons ago when a draw was consistently seen as a good result.

If you'd told me just over 3 years ago, before the Fosun takeover (yes, it really is that short a time period), having just watched one of our worst seasons from an entertainment viewpoint in living memory, that we'd be a little disappointed having started a second Premier League season with 3 draws, one against Man Utd and one away at Leicester, whilst simultaneously being one home draw/win away from qualifying for the Europa League group stages, I'd have called in the whitecoats.

One word ladies and gentlemen - perspective.

I don't think what happened before fosun has any bearing on what perspective we should have, what matters now is we are owned by one of the richest companies in world football and have aspirations to challenge the top 6. I don't see why any fan should be calling white coats on a supporter that is disappointed on failing to beat a united side at home which we beat last season who got d1cked at home by palace and failing to beat a Burnley team on a shoestring budget compared to our club these days and being completely outplayed/outclassed. If we are going to keep harking back to the past for perspective , then we should be pleased to be in the premiership at all as we were league one a few years ago by that logic. The flip side of the coin are very old fans thinking how we were once the finest team in Europe and pioneers of European football in the 1950s which is about as irrelevant to the current day as the Morgan argument for any "perspective" .

I don't look at league tables before around 10 matches have been played, but our performances against United first half and Burnley for 90 minutes have been dreadful and a real step back from last season so far which constitutes disappointment to me unless we once again look back at the past and think " thank Christ we arent playing at goldthorn hill in the 19th century " when it rains as we now have a roof.

Perspective would seem to me to be the perfect word. Shrug it off and move on. Yes we were weak against Man U in that first half and truly dire on Sunday but perspective shows us that Spurs, United and Arsenal have already lost games. Despite our inability to string together two passes we are the only team outside the top four still undefeated. (I know! If we have 38 draws we will be playing Luton next year, but I don’t see too many times when that has happened. Three points for a win was
Introduced for a reason and we will likely win more than we lose)
If we get through Thursday unscathed we can at least get a short breather before the group stage . Worried? Too strong a word. Mild concern would better describe it ; this inability to beat the ‘smaller’ teams. But I am enjoying the summer, back in England this week and Autumn will be here soon enough. Plenty of time then to get back into the self flagellation for which Wolves supports are rightly famous.

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And I suppose that our expectations are much higher than they were just a few seasons ago when a draw was consistently seen as a good result.

If you'd told me just over 3 years ago, before the Fosun takeover (yes, it really is that short a time period), having just watched one of our worst seasons from an entertainment viewpoint in living memory, that we'd be a little disappointed having started a second Premier League season with 3 draws, one against Man Utd and one away at Leicester, whilst simultaneously being one home draw/win away from qualifying for the Europa League group stages, I'd have called in the whitecoats.

One word ladies and gentlemen - perspective.

I don't think what happened before fosun has any bearing on what perspective we should have, what matters now is we are owned by one of the richest companies in world football and have aspirations to challenge the top 6. I don't see why any fan should be calling white coats on a supporter that is disappointed on failing to beat a united side at home which we beat last season who got d1cked at home by palace and failing to beat a Burnley team on a shoestring budget compared to our club these days and being completely outplayed/outclassed. If we are going to keep harking back to the past for perspective , then we should be pleased to be in the premiership at all as we were league one a few years ago by that logic. The flip side of the coin are very old fans thinking how we were once the finest team in Europe and pioneers of European football in the 1950s which is about as irrelevant to the current day as the Morgan argument for any "perspective" .

I don't look at league tables before around 10 matches have been played, but our performances against United first half and Burnley for 90 minutes have been dreadful and a real step back from last season so far which constitutes disappointment to me unless we once again look back at the past and think " thank Christ we arent playing at goldthorn hill in the 19th century " when it rains as we now have a roof.

I said I'd have called in the whitecoats if you'd told me in May 2016 that we'd be where we are right now. I'd have said we were closer to League One than the Premier League at the time so to have ever imagined we'd be in our current position 3 years later would have been laughable. That's why sometimes a little perspective is helpful.

Am I disappointed in how we have started? Yes. Was I disappointed with the relative lack of summer transfer activity given we had the opportunity to close the gap on a club like Chelsea in their position had we spent big? Again, yes I am. Do I think it's worth getting my knickers in a bunch though, considering we had the nightmare of Steve Morgan's ownership until Fosun came along and gave us the best football most of us have ever seen in such a short space of time, and a positive result away from the Europa groups? Definitely not. As I said, perspective.

There's no one "getting their knickers in a bunch" over anything. You talk about perspective but then refer to times of Morgan. It's like saying because Saunders is rotting away in prison , wolves are associated with drunk drivers- we have moved on from Saunders, Morgan , Terry Connor and days of the bowler hat at Goldthorn hill with a penny farthing cycling past. There is no perspective in drawing parallels between life at wolves these days and under Steve Morgan and the " wolves way " under Jez Moxey. I don't think it's reasonable for someone to be slightly disappointed with as you alluded to , the summer transfer activity and performances against utd/Burnley using the mantra of " look how bad it was under Morgan". For the record, I'd sooner see us reach the knockout stages of the Europa league than this top ten finish you mention as a supposed target .. what do we get for finishing 10th exactly? There is no discernible difference than 8th and 17th in the league bar a modest sum of "placement money " which goes to shareholders so using tenth as a gauge to a good season from a football purist perspective is probably fair, in the real world it is about as useful as a chocolate teapot... give me the shame of finishing 15th and a good run in the Europa anytime. Burnley finished 7th the season before us and are still regarded as a fairly tinpot club with Dyche performing wonders- if they had been on a decent Europa league run it would have helped their club much more from a reputation point of view than a top ten finish whatever that's supposed to achieve.

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There's no one "getting their knickers in a bunch" over anything. You talk about perspective but then refer to times of Morgan. It's like saying because Saunders is rotting away in prison , wolves are associated with drunk drivers- we have moved on from Saunders, Morgan , Terry Connor and days of the bowler hat at Goldthorn hill with a penny farthing cycling past. There is no perspective in drawing parallels between life at wolves these days and under Steve Morgan and the " wolves way " under Jez Moxey. I don't think it's reasonable for someone to be slightly disappointed with as you alluded to , the summer transfer activity and performances against utd/Burnley using the mantra of " look how bad it was under Morgan". For the record, I'd sooner see us reach the knockout stages of the Europa league than this top ten finish you mention as a supposed target .. what do we get for finishing 10th exactly? There is no discernible difference than 8th and 17th in the league bar a modest sum of "placement money " which goes to shareholders so using tenth as a gauge to a good season from a football purist perspective is probably fair, in the real world it is about as useful as a chocolate teapot... give me the shame of finishing 15th and a good run in the Europa anytime. Burnley finished 7th the season before us and are still regarded as a fairly tinpot club with Dyche performing wonders- if they had been on a decent Europa league run it would have helped their club much more from a reputation point of view than a top ten finish whatever that's supposed to achieve.

I didn't say you were, I'm saying I'm personally not getting twisted knickers over any of it. I personally don't think people should be overly critical of the current owners, staff or players when you consider what we've had to put up with in recent years. Perspective is good sometimes, just embrace it. FWIW, I'd also prefer to concentrate on Europa so we agree there, I'd sooner finish 17th and win the Europa League than finish 6th and go out tonight - I see it as our most likely initial route into the Champions League! (And I'm sure Fosun probably do too).

well Indeed Maisey , hopefully if we are mid table later in the season and still in the Europa we can prioritise our European games assuming we are nowhere near relegation or top 6