Match Thread: Wolves vs Watford FC

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An unexpected team for today's game with Traore featuring upfront with Jiminez and Jota isn't even on the bench. Saiss returning to defence as per last week



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Really disturbing that Nuno doesnt know whether to play Traore as a striker or a defender.. seems absurd

If anyone has a decent stream I would appreciate a link please. Hesgoals is offline at the moment, so having to listen via OS

[www.blacktiestreams.xyz]

Nice one Angry Many thanks

Jimenez misses a sitter- for a decent striker his lack of ability to shoot with either foot is bizarre

Wolves attacking down left flank but the crosses in from Otto then Neto don't feed our strikers

Great play out to Neto on the left and a great cross for Doc to score easily. Great goal for a right back/ striker!!
Wolves 1 Watford 0

The doc has delivered his medicine to the Watford defence , 1-0

The first time we have led in a PL match this season , and with the first shot of the game!!

My disastrous day is getting better.
Too unwell to get to Molineux today, no links working for me, even the one Angry provided, missed the goal but ..... great news about the Doc and scoreline and a Chinese link for Hesgoals has finally just commenced!
UTW!

BTW - don’t fully understand the lineup selected but there again, what matters in 3 points. Is Jota injured?
They’ve just replayed the goal - it’s ridiculous in a good way - how is Doc in that terrific position to score with no other forwards anywhere near him?

First fouls from Saiss on Sarr and referee Paul Tierney 'has a word'. Free kick headed clear by Boly. Wolves looking wuite well organised considering the changes to the team

A raid from Traore down the right then he fair smashed the ball across the area !!! I haven't caught up with where Jimenez was for the goal, but at least the Doc was there Ivy!

probably due to having a lack of quality to choose from upfront Ivy- nuno has little choice other than to shoehorn defenders/wingers into strikers

Possibly saving Jota for Europa Lge duty? Cutrone hobbled for approx the last ten minutes of Wednesday's game, and I'm a little surprised to see him on the bench today

Nothing much is happening is it? We look comfortable, they look short of ideas. Happy for it to stay that way.
Handball shout goes begging for a Wolves penalty, would have been so harsh.
Additionally, maybe predictable and understandable but lots of empty Watford seats today ... as well as 2 that I know of in the North Bank

Sarr has space to turn in the box and shoot but very wide of the mark. Traore's cross hits Holebas'arm and the crowd want a pen but VAR agree it's not a penalty

Good block by Jonny to stop Welbeck's shot. Saiss down holding his head after the corner & receiving treatment.

Long injury spell for Saiss who looked spaced

Restarts, what was that, 3 minutes lost? 2 to go on the clock

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Long injury spell for Saiss who looked spaced

Looks as though Saiss will be OK to continue after a change of shirt as he had shed blood

Jiminez now prostate on the floor, back injury. 4 officially added plus more for this injury.

Now Raul is down holding his back, possibly after overstretching. They are saying Jota has a toe problem!

Jimenez should be able to continue and will be happy to see half time. Four added minutes is probably now 5!

All done after 51 minutes. 1-0 HT. If this score stays the same, then we’ll be in for quite a last 10 minutes.
Need a second.
Seems a flat atmosphere at Molineux

Traore turns up on the left byline but his cross is abysmal.
Half time whistle and Wolves have a well deserved lead at half time through Doherty
Wolves 1 Watford 0

This starting line up may very well be sufficient to get 3 points today against a team bereft of confidence who bizarrely have recently appointed a manager they previously parted with but the lack of depth we have particularly upfront doesn't bode well for either Europe or domestically. I like Traore, his pace brings something unique to the team but a striker he isn't and never will be.. what's next Ruddy starting upfront against Besiktas? Maybe this is an indirect message from Nuno to Fosun showing what few options he has where he has to put a previously played right back as a striker.

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Nothing much is happening is it? We look comfortable, they look short of ideas. Happy for it to stay that way.
Handball shout goes begging for a Wolves penalty, would have been so harsh.
Additionally, maybe predictable and understandable but lots of empty Watford seats today ... as well as 2 that I know of in the North Bank

Will be interesting to watch on MOTD. According to radio commentary Troares cross/shot hit the outstretched arm of the defender, so arm in unnatural position + penalty (whether harsh or not)

One very positive second half substitution. Hesgoals replace Chinese commentary with English

Here we go again for second half, with no changes for Wolves. Peyrera replaces Delafeu for W'ford

Unsure why the link isnt working for you Ivy as I have had English commentary and unbroken pictures on it from kickoff

Wolves aren't shaping at all yet - just given away a sloppy corner

Great save from Patricio, Watford corner who have been much the better side since half time, 54 minutes gone, cr@p corner however. We need a bit of a kick up the behind however, MGW is due to come on for Neto apparently, Neto strikes, straight into Fosters arms

Double save needed by Rui to keep Cleverly out after saving Cholebas's header. Peyrera 's corner goes straight over everyone. Wolves need to get their act together. MGW Being prepared to replace Neto, who has a good right footed shot saved by Forster

Neto had his Achilles raked and is struggling to recover, which is a shame after his first PL start. Replaced by MGW

Good right hand run by Doc, cross to MGW who heads it on, Janmaat intercepts into the Watford net!!

2-0!! Excellent.

Moutinho shows his colleagues what needs doing hassling Capoue for possession. Wolves struggling to get any sort of grip on the game.
Own goal to Wolves. Doc put some the ball over towards MGW, Wwho helps it on, but Janmatt heads it past Foster
Wolves 2 W'ford 0

MGW tries to set Raul free with an inventive ball, but he's just offside. Huge hurrah from the crowd as Forster falls over after kicking the ball!!

Jiminez needs a goal - he is almost desperate in some of his play - in my view - and this should be a good opportunity. Cholevas gets the first yellow card of the day for upending Traore.



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Great play from Welbeck, equally great save from Patricio. I’d say we need a 3rd lol!

Sarr is apparently W'ford's club record signing & he has been awful - replaced by Andre Gray. Good save by Rui to keep a good Welbeck shot out

.... almost there, great Traore cross, Jonny just can’t redirect and into the side netting it goes. We started this second half so lacklustre, the goal was against the run, but we’ve woken up a bit in the last 5-10.

Great play by Wolves Traore puts a super ball across the area & Jonny just fails to convert it - shame

Cutrone being prepared to come on. Dendoncker takes out Peyrera for a free kick 30 yes outside our area which they waste totally

Cutrone replaces the unlucky Raul - not much working out for him in the PL so far this season

Good break by MGW but he put the ball just slightly too far ahead of Cutrone

Jimenez isnt a natural goal scorer but is still by far our best striker which speaks volumes. Our two goals today coming from a defender and a Watford player with Crutone coming on who has scored 0ne goal in the last 31 matches

Rui has had a good afternoon stopping everything that has come his way

Patricio man of the match IMO

Neves comes on to warm applause for Traore. He’s done alright, some good stuff and a few trademark ‘where’s the ball’ moments, nevertheless a good contribution.





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W'ford get another lucky corner, which is headed over the bar. Neves replaces Traore, who gets good applause as he leaves the pitch

Two minutes of normal time to go and shouldn't be too many added

Cutrone tried to set up MGW but unlucky to put it too close to Forster.
Three added minutes to play

FT
Such an important win which will propel us up to 13th!
As for the performance, you could say ‘understated ‘ however at this stage, a win’s a win.
Manchester City next week ....... an upset??!!

That's it a long overdue three points which take us up to 13th in the League!! A very good team performance from from to back. Well taken goal by Doc, followed by a well worked opportunity which led to Jann Matt putting in to his own net. I'm sure Nuno will be relieved and happy, as we now have to go to Turkey and the Etihad in the next week!!
Wolves 2 Watford 0

We will get smashed at city but the must win has been won.. all roads lead to Turkey gentlemen

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We will get smashed at city but the must win has been won.. all roads lead to Turkey gentlemen

Are you going to the Besiktas game Angry?

Unfortunately not Cheshire, I was planning to but the head gasket in my car went recently meaning time /funds have been prioritised sadly and don't fancy making my way to an airport via public transport from the middle of Norfolk as beyond a certain time where I live out in the sticks it makes it close to impossible.

That’s a shame for you. Perhaps you can save up for when we are in the final instead!!

Just thought I'd make a quick point to those it seems to have eluded, Nuno has switched back to 3-4-3 for the last few games and so Traore was playing wide forward, not centre forward as has been suggested, and Neto was also playing wide forward.

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Just thought I'd make a quick point to those it seems to have eluded, Nuno has switched back to 3-4-3 for the last few games and so Traore was playing wide forward, not centre forward as has been suggested, and Neto was also playing wide forward.

It hasn't eluded anyone as not a single person on the thread has mentioned "centre forward"... wide forward, narrow forward, fat forward, thin forward what's it matter? A striker is a striker and he was playing upfront unless I was watching a completely different game. "Forwards" often drift out wide but I maintain for a supposed right back to now be looking for goals as a wide/narrow/long/short/deep/shallow/ man in the hole/ target man/defensive/ poacher/ trequartister/false nine forward is very strange and highlights a lack of depth in our attacking options. As has already been stated, none of our narrow /wide etc etc "forwards" scored needing a right back/narrow back/inverted fullback/complete wingback wide back / quarterback for the sanfancisco 49ers ( take your pick) to score and an own goal.

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Just thought I'd make a quick point to those it seems to have eluded, Nuno has switched back to 3-4-3 for the last few games and so Traore was playing wide forward, not centre forward as has been suggested, and Neto was also playing wide forward.

It hasn't eluded anyone as not a single person on the thread has mentioned "centre forward"... wide forward, narrow forward, fat forward, thin forward what's it matter? A striker is a striker and he was playing upfront unless I was watching a completely different game. "Forwards" often drift out wide but I maintain for a supposed right back to now be looking for goals as a wide/narrow/long/short/deep/shallow/ man in the hole/ target man/defensive/ poacher/ trequartister/false nine forward is very strange and highlights a lack of depth in our attacking options. As has already been stated, none of our narrow /wide etc etc "forwards" scored needing a right back/narrow back/inverted fullback/complete wingback wide back / quarterback for the sanfancisco 49ers ( take your pick) to score and an own goal.

He isn't being played as a striker though, he's playing as a winger, as is Neto. Traore is a winger, whether that be a wing back or a winger in the forward sense. We played with one striker, Raul. When we play two up front, we play with two strikers. Traore was in his natural position yesterday, and it showed, he played well (as he has done all season, as it happens).

It was said on NBC, that Jota was out injured with his big toe injury of some sort...
Neto is a great player and for only 19 years old... looks promising; or am I putting a curse on the lad?
Does the own goal still count as a MGW assist?
It says on one football app that Neto is a striker, I thought he was a midfielder? Concur?
That said according to the app we have; 3 Keeps, 9 defenders, 10 midfielders, 4 attackers! ✌️

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Just thought I'd make a quick point to those it seems to have eluded, Nuno has switched back to 3-4-3 for the last few games and so Traore was playing wide forward, not centre forward as has been suggested, and Neto was also playing wide forward.

It hasn't eluded anyone as not a single person on the thread has mentioned "centre forward"... wide forward, narrow forward, fat forward, thin forward what's it matter? A striker is a striker and he was playing upfront unless I was watching a completely different game. "Forwards" often drift out wide but I maintain for a supposed right back to now be looking for goals as a wide/narrow/long/short/deep/shallow/ man in the hole/ target man/defensive/ poacher/ trequartister/false nine forward is very strange and highlights a lack of depth in our attacking options. As has already been stated, none of our narrow /wide etc etc "forwards" scored needing a right back/narrow back/inverted fullback/complete wingback wide back / quarterback for the sanfancisco 49ers ( take your pick) to score and an own goal.

He isn't being played as a striker though, he's playing as a winger, as is Neto. Traore is a winger, whether that be a wing back or a winger in the forward sense. We played with one striker, Raul. When we play two up front, we play with two strikers. Traore was in his natural position yesterday, and it showed, he played well (as he has done all season, as it happens).

A striker as defined by the Collins dictionary "In football and some other team sports, a striker is a player who mainly attacks and scores goals, rather than defends" ...he is there to add to our attacking options so be as pedantic as you like. He was played in a position to score goals having been played as a defensive player the week before- I find that very strange.

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Just thought I'd make a quick point to those it seems to have eluded, Nuno has switched back to 3-4-3 for the last few games and so Traore was playing wide forward, not centre forward as has been suggested, and Neto was also playing wide forward.

It hasn't eluded anyone as not a single person on the thread has mentioned "centre forward"... wide forward, narrow forward, fat forward, thin forward what's it matter? A striker is a striker and he was playing upfront unless I was watching a completely different game. "Forwards" often drift out wide but I maintain for a supposed right back to now be looking for goals as a wide/narrow/long/short/deep/shallow/ man in the hole/ target man/defensive/ poacher/ trequartister/false nine forward is very strange and highlights a lack of depth in our attacking options. As has already been stated, none of our narrow /wide etc etc "forwards" scored needing a right back/narrow back/inverted fullback/complete wingback wide back / quarterback for the sanfancisco 49ers ( take your pick) to score and an own goal.

He isn't being played as a striker though, he's playing as a winger, as is Neto. Traore is a winger, whether that be a wing back or a winger in the forward sense. We played with one striker, Raul. When we play two up front, we play with two strikers. Traore was in his natural position yesterday, and it showed, he played well (as he has done all season, as it happens).

A striker as defined by the Collins dictionary "In football and some other team sports, a striker is a player who mainly attacks and scores goals, rather than defends" ...he is there to add to our attacking options so be as pedantic as you like. He was played in a position to score goals having been played as a defensive player the week before- I find that very strange.

I'm not being pedantic at all, I'm explaining Traore's position on the pitch. He and Neto track back and create a bank of four across the midfield when we're defending (in a 5-4-1 shape) so I don't see how you can classify him as a striker. Raul is the striker. Traore and Neto were playing wide and expected to create chances and assist the defence without the ball.

I don't find it strange that Traore can play either as a wing back or an attacking player, he's becoming a utility player much like Saiss has gone from midfield to defence in recent weeks. We've changed shape and, now we're less protected defensively from the three midfielders we were playing previously, it seems Nuno prefers the more defensively-minded Jonny and Doherty at wing back but still wishes to utilise Traore and his obvious attacking strengths. Makes perfect sense to me.

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It was said on NBC, that Jota was out injured with his big toe injury of some sort...
Neto is a great player and for only 19 years old... looks promising; or am I putting a curse on the lad?
Does the own goal still count as a MGW assist?
It says on one football app that Neto is a striker, I thought he was a midfielder? Concur?
That said according to the app we have; 3 Keeps, 9 defenders, 10 midfielders, 4 attackers! ✌️

Neto is an attacking player, I personally wouldn't classify him as a midfielder although I could see the argument that would. He's very much a Costa or Cavaleiro type of player, playing in the wider two of the three forward positions.

Nothing makes sense about having Traore as a defender and now as an attacking player.. you can waffle on about dropping back etc etc but it smacks of desperation and a small squad to me. I have already said I see Traore as a better attacking player than a defensive one so why was he playing right back last week?

We're remain short on attacking midfield play. We are also remain short of a genuine goalscorer. We should note that Jimenez has only scored once from the penalty spot in 7 premier league games. Why we didn't bring in Rondon remains a mystery. Is he available? He would be an ideal January purchase to bring back from China.

Moving Boly to the right hand side gives Doc and Traore a bit more support and cover and looks like the right move just now to hold the fort, with Saiss being asked to do a classic stopping role on the left alongside Jonny, our best defender, should be adequate for now.

Bennett should be positioned as replacement to give Coady a rest occasionally. But the back 3 needs reinforcing in January with a marquee signing.

Still not confident at the moment. We look shaky with less possession than Watford, have a very thin squad with few options for lack of form or injury. We continue to struggle to score and several players seem to have lost their mojo.

As we know this league is brutal and right now I don't see any obviously weak teams. No one is obviously for the drop or looks a lot weaker than ourselves.

Jimenez, Jota and Cutrone have to start finding the net otherwise it is going to be a long and difficult season

Its clear he is seen as a striker - directly from the horses mouth unless you think nuno and the player are lying regardless of how wide he is playing. If it makes you feel better to see him as a fairy on top of a xmas tree formation playing wide as a "utility player " fair enough [www.clubcall.com]

[www.skysports.com]

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Its clear he is seen as a striker - directly from the horses mouth unless you think nuno and the player are lying regardless of how wide he is playing. If it makes you feel better to see him as a fairy on top of a xmas tree formation playing wide as a "utility player " fair enough [www.clubcall.com]

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https://www.skysports.com/football/player/158735/adama-traore

Firstly, the clubcall article you quote is from February when we were playing 2 up front and Nuno experimented and DID play Traore as part of a front 2, which didn't last very long at all. He was swiftly moved to right wing back towards the end of the season and he now plays wide right. Do keep up.

Secondly, the Sky Sports article you've quoted links to the profile of the Malian footballer Adama Traore. If you knew football as well as you claim to, you'd know there are several professional footballers called Adama Traore, two of them are Malian internationals, the other is our very own Spanish version. You're wrong, just accept it. Traore isn't a striker.

Sorry to get involved but IMO the Spanish Adama Traore, is most definitely not a defender!😬✌️

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Sorry to get involved but IMO the Spanish Adama Traore, is most definitely not a defender!😬✌️

Can't disagree with that to be fair.

Maisey the fact you are getting so worked up on what a player is called winger/striker is hilarious , he said himself he is a striker at times lol yet you're still determined to argue the point- infact your only contribution to the thread was to accuse people of saying he was a " centre forward " which is complete nonsense but you cant admit you made a mistake

and I have no interest in how many traores there are , Im 41 not an 19 year old kid on an xbox playing fifa.. no one said he is a centre forward and the player himself said he plays at times as a striker- move on.

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Maisey the fact you are getting so worked up on what a player is called winger/striker is hilarious , he said himself he is a striker at times lol yet you're still determined to argue the point- infact your only contribution to the thread was to accuse people of saying he was a " centre forward " which is complete nonsense but you cant admit you made a mistake

I'm not getting worked up in the slightest, you're the one trawling articles to prove your (incorrect) point that Traore played as a striker on Saturday, which he didn't. If you actually went to games instead of spouting from afar, and understood Nuno's tactical ideas in the slightest, you'd know he was not relying on Traore (or Neto for that matter) to score goals or act as a striker on Saturday.

You say you don't understand why Traore has gone from defence to attack so suddenly, and yet ignore the entirely valid reason - that we've changed our tactical setup in the last couple of weeks and so Traore is finding he's being played back in his natural position of winger. We have certain players that are viewed as utility players, Traore is one of them, as are Dendoncker and Saiss. It's really not difficult to understand.

You seem unable to grasp the simple concept of a centre forward being different to a striker with the year not being 1985 where we have the traditional centre forward lurking in the box as a target man and a "big un/little un" waiting. Strikers can be utilised in more positions than a "centre forward" which by definition operates in the centre contrary to a trequartister for eg who can play either as a striker or midfielder but is never in a million years a " centre forward". An inside forward can play out wide drifting inside from the flanks can play as a "striker" but isn't a " centre forward " .

You stated the thread implied people were stating Traore was playing as a centre forward when no one suggested such a thing. After realising your mistake you are backtracking to using the striker term unable to grasp the difference between a striker and a centre forward confirming you are utterly clueless.

As far as your point regarding "going to games", whether people on here attend Molineux or not is quite frankly irrelevant and none of your business. I live a 7 hour round trip from the ground with many living even further afield - people have more going on in their lives than claiming the tag of being the metaphorical superfan attending week in week out. I have had two decades of season tickets at wolves … so what? I'd be more concerned about your own lack of knowledge in the game where you are unable to differentiate between a centre forward and other positions which are deemed to be offensive illustrating you are spouting utter rubbish. Thank you for clarifying Traore wasn't playing centre forward when no one has said he was Maisey- perhaps a trip to specsavers may be in order so you can actually read what was posted which I will visit myself after the "wrong Traore " link was posted.

It is what it is folks and we support regardless.

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You seem unable to grasp the simple concept of a centre forward being different to a striker with the year not being 1985 where we have the traditional centre forward lurking in the box as a target man and a "big un/little un" waiting. Strikers can be utilised in more positions than a "centre forward" which by definition operates in the centre contrary to a trequartister for eg who can play either as a striker or midfielder but is never in a million years a " centre forward". An inside forward can play out wide drifting inside from the flanks can play as a "striker" but isn't a " centre forward " .
You stated the thread implied people were stating Traore was playing as a centre forward when no one suggested such a thing. After realising your mistake you are backtracking to using the striker term unable to grasp the difference between a striker and a centre forward confirming you are utterly clueless.

As far as your point regarding "going to games", whether people on here attend Molineux or not is quite frankly irrelevant and none of your business. I live a 7 hour round trip from the ground with many living even further afield - people have more going on in their lives than claiming the tag of being the metaphorical superfan attending week in week out. I have had two decades of season tickets at wolves … so what? I'd be more concerned about your own lack of knowledge in the game where you are unable to differentiate between a centre forward and other positions which are deemed to be offensive illustrating you are spouting utter rubbish. Thank you for clarifying Traore wasn't playing centre forward when no one has said he was Maisey- perhaps a trip to specsavers may be in order so you can actually read what was posted which I will visit myself after the "wrong Traore " link was posted.

LOL

I think what we can say is that Traore is neither a wing back (switches off defensively) nor a goal scorer (QED) however he has clearly worked very hard to push himself into the starting line, fully deserved and with some definitive success on the pitch. He’s taken the opportunity that has come his way well, in a manner that didn’t happen last season - for a start off, the team were playing much better which didn’t give him much of a sniff.

In general terms, our goal scoring - from our supposed goal scorers - in the league, continues to be a concern. Early days yet, still, but would like things to change shortly! Would be wrong to single them out for overall below par performances however.