Leeds - 15 point fight continues
By Rich B
February 27 2008
The fight by Leeds United to overturn the 15 point penalty imposed by the Football League took a dramatic new twist yesterday when the Football League responded at the final hour with an offer of arbitration. Arbitration would prevent the matter from going to court and may be a quicker solution to the current problems.
Leeds served a High Court writ on the Football League last month after repeated requests for Independant arbitration were rejected by the Football League. The move was seen to force the hand of the League into action after all previous attempts at getting the decision reviewed were largely ignored.
In this latest twist, the Football league appear to have backed down although they have waited as long as possible to respond. Arbitration will consist of a panel of three people hearing both arguements as they would in the High Court but making a ruling that both sides agree to abide by. The panel would consist of a High Court judge plus a representative selected by Leeds and one from the Football League.
Leeds are said to be considering their next move and one stumbling block may by the clubs insistance for the hearing to be public and open.
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Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Unofficial Leeds United (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 10:19
Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: SA (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 10:23
League playing mind games i think !
Why wait for 6 months to offer this ... I hope Bates' doesn't fall for it because there is obviously something unfavourable for the league in going to COURT , so they make sure they delay our proceedings as much as possible and then pull the trigger.
Why wait 6 months ?
Why fear the court ?
Why invite us for an independent hearing now ?
Who would be the neutral person in this hearing ( have they arranged someone ?? ) ??
SA
Why wait for 6 months to offer this ... I hope Bates' doesn't fall for it because there is obviously something unfavourable for the league in going to COURT , so they make sure they delay our proceedings as much as possible and then pull the trigger.
Why wait 6 months ?
Why fear the court ?
Why invite us for an independent hearing now ?
Who would be the neutral person in this hearing ( have they arranged someone ?? ) ??
SA
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: SA (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 10:26
and where does this leave our plea to the High Court and the writ that the FOOTBALL LEAGUE HAD TO RESPOND TO ??
SA
SA
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: wearedirtyleeds (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 10:28
Employ Greenpeace, it would be a lot more fun watching them storm FA HQ etc.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Longlostsoul The British Warrior (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 10:50
We now have a choice - Arbitration or Court - Which is more risky is up for debate given that either side has alot to lose!!
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Jacob Burns (aka AW) (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 10:54
We can go down the arbitration way then if it doesn't go our way still take them to court though most likly it would be after this season.
Dan.
Dan.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Fids (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 10:56
It would be doubtful a court would rule in our favour if we have already lost at arbitration Dan - unless they was new evidence or proof something wasn't done right at Arbitration.
I think the reality of the choice here is one or the other.
I think the reality of the choice here is one or the other.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Youngsy (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 10:59
Im guessing the reason why they want to leave it 6 months is because the current season will be over..... what will Leeds have to gain then other than vindication.
I really cant see the FA backing down over these 15 points....
The reason they dont want it to go to court is mainly because if this happens and they lose it will set a precedent for future cases.
Independent hearing will basically slows the whole process down
Neutral persons...... there is no such thing.... lol
I really cant see the FA backing down over these 15 points....
The reason they dont want it to go to court is mainly because if this happens and they lose it will set a precedent for future cases.
Independent hearing will basically slows the whole process down
Neutral persons...... there is no such thing.... lol
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: rich1986 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 11:02
Monkeyman's back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: devon white (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 11:13
Must have been away taking english lessons then....
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: lee-ds (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 11:20
F@#k Arbitration!!!! they had they're chance!
take em to court!!!!! the bunch of cnuts are bricking it now.
take em to court!!!!! the bunch of cnuts are bricking it now.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Youngsy (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 11:42
I have been away in Switzerland snowboarding... it was bloomin brilliant!
English lessons... how rude lol.... I speerk perfuct angliush.....
English lessons... how rude lol.... I speerk perfuct angliush.....
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Youngsy (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 11:55
Yup it is the Football league, the typo was my bad.... force of habit lol
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Empireday (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 12:06
From official site a qoute from the football league
'independence and impartiality is what we have been arguing for all along'
ARE THEY HAVING A LAUGH!
The whole thing about the points deduction has been about the self interests of the clubs that voted for it.
TAKE THEM TO COURT
LET THEM SQUIRM
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'independence and impartiality is what we have been arguing for all along'
ARE THEY HAVING A LAUGH!
The whole thing about the points deduction has been about the self interests of the clubs that voted for it.
TAKE THEM TO COURT
LET THEM SQUIRM
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Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Marsh_Spain (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 12:14
this is the first time the league have taken a step
backwards which shows they don't have complete
confidence in what they have done. as soon as it was
going to court and in the public arena they squirm
around until the last hour just like the tax man whose
appeal started the whole thing off.
kb has backed 'em into a corner so let's see if he
can finish the job.
backwards which shows they don't have complete
confidence in what they have done. as soon as it was
going to court and in the public arena they squirm
around until the last hour just like the tax man whose
appeal started the whole thing off.
kb has backed 'em into a corner so let's see if he
can finish the job.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Empireday (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 12:23
Does anyone know when the court case would be heard if it goes that far, will it be days weeks or months?
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Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Marsh_Spain (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 12:38
one of the reasons the writ ws produced was to get
the FL in court quickly so it doesn't drag on past
the end of season.
the FL in court quickly so it doesn't drag on past
the end of season.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Cymru Andy (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 13:06
Get the @#$%& in court. The football league know they lost the argument. !5 points back and nothing less. We won them fair and square.
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Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Tosh (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 14:28
sounds positive,if the fl are sh-iting themselfs then stuff um fast!
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Kip (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 14:38
Quote:Fids
It would be doubtful a court would rule in our favour if we have already lost at arbitration Dan - unless they was new evidence or proof something wasn't done right at Arbitration.
I think the reality of the choice here is one or the other.
I'm not sure that's right Fids.
The idea of arbitration, as I understand it, is to allow a consensus to be reached without the courts ruling on the point of judicial review. That is whether or not the FL have followed their own procedures which were in place at the time they penalised us.
If no consensus can be reached at arbitration the court could still rule on the point of law relating to procedure.
However even if the court ruled against the FL, the court could still not give us the points back; just direct the FL to follow it's own procedures. As long as the FL do that they can then "justly" penalise" us.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Fids (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 14:54
I guess I meant that if Arbitration ruled clearly in one direction, the chance of going to court to try a get it ruling in completely the other direction is unlikely.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
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Date: 27/02/2008 15:13
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Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: leedsessex (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 15:56
@#$%& me we have gone from football supporters to all @#$%& Judge Judy by the way i have just hurt me hand how much money do you think iwill be able to get miss wants to go to the states in the summer
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: mick (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 18:30
I told you so weeks ago the fls legal team are notorious for cockups,now they are backing down and proposing what we said 4 months ago.Take them to court this time a real one and lets expose their kangaroo court for what it was and I belive heads will roll at fl.Nobody in the history of footie has done more to stay out of admin more than leeds.selling training facilities ,ground ,players,youth team stars. what do they want blood.And to cap it all we could not have pre season to prepare . lets go for it.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: kiwipete (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 19:31
i agree mick-lets get the cnuts in court
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Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: Zico (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 20:01
This all can only mean one thing - the league are now bricking it as their lawyers have told them we have a case and might win in court - otherwise why else would they have this sudden u-turn?
I say we take the arbitration - see if a compromise of say 10 points is available - then take it - we could still take the f**kers to court in the summer to get ourselves vindicated.
If the league offer say only 5 points, and Bates says fine - we'll see you in court, I reckon they would come back with an offer of 10 - just my guess anyway.
I say we take the arbitration - see if a compromise of say 10 points is available - then take it - we could still take the f**kers to court in the summer to get ourselves vindicated.
If the league offer say only 5 points, and Bates says fine - we'll see you in court, I reckon they would come back with an offer of 10 - just my guess anyway.
Re: Leeds - 15 point fight continues
Posted by: warringtonwhite (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2008 20:12
if we go to arbitraition we will surly get some points back if we go to court its all or nothing
@#$%& um i say go to court there are points give um back
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@#$%& um i say go to court there are points give um back
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