Burnley 2 West Brom 2
By Burnley FC
February 8 2015
Burnley climbed back out of the bottom three with a well-contested draw against West Bromwich Albion at Turf Moor. Two quality headers by Ashley Barnes and Danny Ings gave the Clarets a two-goal lead after just over half an hour.
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However, West Brom came back when first Chris Brunt in first half stoppage and then substitute Brown Ideye midway through the second denied Burnley all three points. Dyche named an unchanged starting line-up for the 10th consecutive Premier League game; just two shy of the all-time Premier League record set by Birmingham in 2009. After just three minutes, the Clarets combined sharply on the edge of the box before Ings struck a left-foot shot over the crossbar. Five minutes later, Burnley went desperately close to opening the scoring. Kieran Trippier’s low ball into the box was laid off by Barnes right into the path of Scott Arfield on the 18-yard line and the Scot saw his first-time effort somehow tipped onto the crossbar by Ben Foster in the Albion goal. On 11 minutes though, even the West Brom goalkeeper couldn’t prevent the Clarets from going in front. This time, Arfield linked up with Ings, who broke into the box and lifted the ball beautifully into the far post. There was Barnes, who proved simply too strong for Albion defenders, before directing his header into the net for his fifth goal of the season. And moments later there could have been further damage.
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Burnley 2 West Brom 2
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Date: 08/02/2015 16:22
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Burnley v WBA
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 11:48
Burnley; Heaton; Trippier, Shackell (c), Keane, Mee; Boyd, Jones, Marney, Arfield; Barnes, Ings
subs: Gilks, Duff, Reid, Wallace, Kightly, Jutkiewicz, Vokes.
WBA; Foster, Baird, Dawson, McAuley, Lescott, McManaman, Yacob, Fletcher (c), Brunt, Sessegnon, Anichebe.
subs; Wisdom, Morrison, Gardner, Ideye, Pocognoli, Berahino, Rose.
subs: Gilks, Duff, Reid, Wallace, Kightly, Jutkiewicz, Vokes.
WBA; Foster, Baird, Dawson, McAuley, Lescott, McManaman, Yacob, Fletcher (c), Brunt, Sessegnon, Anichebe.
subs; Wisdom, Morrison, Gardner, Ideye, Pocognoli, Berahino, Rose.
Re: Burnley v WBA
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 12:12
Barnes 1-0 playing really well in the1st 10 minutes
Re: Burnley v WBA
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 12:34
Great goal from Danny 2-0
Re: Burnley v WBA
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 12:51
Another poor goal given away at a set piece, we never learn do we?
Half Time 2-1
Half Time 2-1
Re: Burnley v WBA
Posted by: ClaretandGreen (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 13:05
here we go again? 2 up hope we dont lose again
Re: Burnley v WBA
Posted by: ClaretandGreen (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 13:27
I said it 2 goal lead let slip again, 3rd match in a row
Re: Burnley v WBA
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 13:28
Shocking defending we just can't do it bloody Jones this time 2-2
Re: Burnley v WBA
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 13:54
2-0 up and we Fkcked it up AGAIN.
Re: Burnley v WBA
Posted by: Alfie (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 13:56
On the positive side A point gained.. Takes us out of the bottom three..
Re: Burnley v WBA
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2015 14:02
No positives Alfie negatives are we threw 2 points away,
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: ManHug (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 11:53
Dont deal in negatives.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 12:52
Quote from Dave Jones.
“We’ve prided ourselves in recent months on defending set pieces well and there’s been good energy and a good desire to win the ball and defend properly.
“But today we just didn’t defend them as well as we can really and you get punished if you don’t do the job.”
Unbelievable Jeff.
“We’ve prided ourselves in recent months on defending set pieces well and there’s been good energy and a good desire to win the ball and defend properly.
“But today we just didn’t defend them as well as we can really and you get punished if you don’t do the job.”
Unbelievable Jeff.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Dave Thomas (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 12:56
Thrown away maybe but ably assisted by Mike Dean... what the hell was he watching when Jones was elbowed in the back of the neck at their second goal... blatant free kick
Where the hell was he looking when there was a blatant arm to ball penalty with the score at 2-2.
They are my lingering gripes.
Where the hell was he looking when there was a blatant arm to ball penalty with the score at 2-2.
They are my lingering gripes.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Longsiders1882 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 13:04
If you watch the replays Dave 2 players were actually taken out for their second - did a bit of analysis on MOTD last night and showed many examples of Pulis teams doing the same thing over the years.
Also for both incidents you mention Dean was perfectly positioned and had a perfect view o each occasion. How he doesn't see the handball I will never know - not even a sniff of accidental, he moves his arm out to block the cross. Maybe Dyche is right, we are too nice and should protest a lot more vociferously than we do.
Also for both incidents you mention Dean was perfectly positioned and had a perfect view o each occasion. How he doesn't see the handball I will never know - not even a sniff of accidental, he moves his arm out to block the cross. Maybe Dyche is right, we are too nice and should protest a lot more vociferously than we do.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: ManHug (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 13:06
Dean Marney was saying in the programme that the Season, so far, has gone as they had hoped.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 14:24
Sorry but I thought the challenge on Jones was exactly what goes on in the box from corners and free kicks today, everyione running about pushing and shoving is the norm, I thought that Jones should have been a bit stronger.
I think the worst foul was Barnes when he elbowed Lescott in the face, if Lescott had have gone down instead of just shrugging it off it could have been red, well done Lescott.
All these ifs buts and maybes is part of the game today and unfortuneately we just have to get on with it. Controvertial decisions in every match whoever is playing.
Having said all of the above Dean's biggest sin yesterday was not awarding the penalty for the blatant hand ball.
I think the worst foul was Barnes when he elbowed Lescott in the face, if Lescott had have gone down instead of just shrugging it off it could have been red, well done Lescott.
All these ifs buts and maybes is part of the game today and unfortuneately we just have to get on with it. Controvertial decisions in every match whoever is playing.
Having said all of the above Dean's biggest sin yesterday was not awarding the penalty for the blatant hand ball.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Longsiders1882 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 14:31
I disagree FC - watch it again, it is an absolute deliberate ploy, that is clear, and their man runs straight into Jones and Keane and stops both of them having an impact, clears all the space for the header. It was deliberate, it was coached and presumably Pulis knows he'll get away with it more times than not so takes the chance. Fair play to him but doesn't make it any less a foul IMO.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 15:27
I have watched it again very closely LS and I honestly do not believe it is that bad a foul as I have already said it is the morm in the box in today's game. Once of a day it would have been a foul everytime but today it is hit and miss, it is very rare that anything comes of all this running around pushing and shoving, it just appears to be accepted.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Longsiders1882 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 16:17
'that bad a foul' - not sure I see the point, if it's a foul then it's a foul, just because nobody got their leg broken it still warrnats a free kick - and, put another way, had one of ours gone into the back of 2 attackers like that I think there would be a case for a penalty.
Not saying they are always given, clearly, and Pulis knows this and takes the gamble. Not being given doesn't make it less a foul though.
All pointless as neither were given but I guess DT's point is had they been ...
Not saying they are always given, clearly, and Pulis knows this and takes the gamble. Not being given doesn't make it less a foul though.
All pointless as neither were given but I guess DT's point is had they been ...
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Dave Thomas (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 16:20
don't think an elbow in the back of the neck is a norm... much of the rest is 'normal' sadly, the wrestling, holding and blocking... it gets worse every season. And when people accept that it is the norm, that's bad news for the game.
And yes it is coached. Do what you can get away with is the instruction. And if the ref don't see it, then all the better.
Now its got so bad, what on earth can be done to stop it.
Nowt. its as if its an accepted part of the game now.
And yes it is coached. Do what you can get away with is the instruction. And if the ref don't see it, then all the better.
Now its got so bad, what on earth can be done to stop it.
Nowt. its as if its an accepted part of the game now.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 16:23
Not that bad a foul, wrong words used, it is just that in today's game more and more trips, pushes and pulls seem to be left unpunished, Dean must have seen what went on yesterday he cannopt have missed it both the Jones incident and the penalty incident he had clear views on he just didn't punish as he should, it is happening more and more and is becoming the norm.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: ClaretandGreen (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 16:37
don't forget the nailed on pen we didn't get awarded at the end. I can't believe how many decisions have gone against us over the last 2 seasons, and the silver Dyche reckons there's a campaign by refs against Chelsea he wants to watch a few more of our games.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: fred dibnah (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 18:39
Quote:Foreverclaret
Sorry but I thought the challenge on Jones was exactly what goes on in the box from corners and free kicks today, everyone running about pushing and shoving is the norm,
Its the norm for most teams, not for us though. We need to be tougher and more cynical in our approach, and maybe less niaive.
Our disciplinary record is one of the best in the league, but where does being nice get you.
I suppose we have to be like that though, as we'd be fkd if suspensions kicked in.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2015 21:29
We do get roughed up and outmuscled at corners, but that isn't the main problem imo, it's Heaton. He's a good keeper but he's on the small side so he's clearly been instructed to stay on his line unless he's 100% sure he can catch the ball, which is almost never. So our defenders are always under pressure, they can't rely on a giant keeper to get them out of trouble like many teams can.
It's not a new problem we conceded goals from corners for fun last season as well, and I'm not sure what can be done about it, except possibly telling Heaton to come for the ball even if he only reckons he has a 50/50 chance. He'd miss some certainly, which would cause mayhem, but he'd get some cleared that are currently free headers, and with him standing on his line watching it's mayhem in our box from virtually every corner anyway.
We'd concede some for sure, but it might turn out to be less than we're conceding now, anything's worth a try because conceding goals from corners is killing us.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015:02:09:21:30:29 by bordeauxclaret.
It's not a new problem we conceded goals from corners for fun last season as well, and I'm not sure what can be done about it, except possibly telling Heaton to come for the ball even if he only reckons he has a 50/50 chance. He'd miss some certainly, which would cause mayhem, but he'd get some cleared that are currently free headers, and with him standing on his line watching it's mayhem in our box from virtually every corner anyway.
We'd concede some for sure, but it might turn out to be less than we're conceding now, anything's worth a try because conceding goals from corners is killing us.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015:02:09:21:30:29 by bordeauxclaret.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: soapylily (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2015 05:24
Quote:bordeauxclaret
the main problem imo, it's Heaton. He's a good keeper but he's on the small side so he's clearly been instructed to stay on his line unless he's 100% sure he can catch the ball, which is almost never.
Not true BC, he is 6' 2". Remember Harry Thomson? knee high to a donkey and a great keeper.
[www.just-keepers.com]
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: Dave Thomas (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2015 08:24
Yep not sure how you can call Heaton small and he's got some weight as well.
he should be bundling forwards over for fun.
This 'blocking' coaching that Pulis does. Anywhere else on the field it would be called obstruction and penalised. I just don't understand how it is now so 'normal' and accepted and is even bloody practised in training by the likes of Pulis.
he should be bundling forwards over for fun.
This 'blocking' coaching that Pulis does. Anywhere else on the field it would be called obstruction and penalised. I just don't understand how it is now so 'normal' and accepted and is even bloody practised in training by the likes of Pulis.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: ManHug (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2015 09:31
Disagree on Heaton, he should stay on his line every time.
Also disagree on the 'ploy' and the shove on Jones etc, I have no issue with that one.
The handball I have more of an issue with, however, I never noticed it from the stand (not even Barnes' appeal) so I never feel hard done to when ive not picked up on it at the time (yes, I know the ref was closer than me).
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Also disagree on the 'ploy' and the shove on Jones etc, I have no issue with that one.
The handball I have more of an issue with, however, I never noticed it from the stand (not even Barnes' appeal) so I never feel hard done to when ive not picked up on it at the time (yes, I know the ref was closer than me).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015:02:10:11:13:33 by ManHug.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2015 10:48
Never can be sure where posting on a msgboard will take you.
Suggesting Heaton should start coming off his line for corners was always liable to have people disagreeing, like MH does, but I never expected anyone to dispute the fact that we have one of the smallest, if not the smallest keeper, in the league.
I would ask Soapy and Dave if they ever actually go on and watch games, except that I know they do. Knowing that, then I can only ask, do you ever notice it when he stands next to other keepers, because it's clear the vast majority are taller than him, some considerably so.
Anyway don't believe me, this is from Soccerbase,
Heaton...6-1
Szcesny...6-5
Guzan...6-4
Cech...6-5
Courtois...6.6
Howard...6-3
Mignolet...6-4
Hart...6-5
De Gea...6-4
Green...6-3
Forster...6-7
Begovic...6-5
Pantilimon...6-8
Fabianski...6-3
Adrian...6-3
If these guys come for a cross they've a far better chance than Heaton has, that's all I'm saying, didn't think it was at all contentious.
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Suggesting Heaton should start coming off his line for corners was always liable to have people disagreeing, like MH does, but I never expected anyone to dispute the fact that we have one of the smallest, if not the smallest keeper, in the league.
I would ask Soapy and Dave if they ever actually go on and watch games, except that I know they do. Knowing that, then I can only ask, do you ever notice it when he stands next to other keepers, because it's clear the vast majority are taller than him, some considerably so.
Anyway don't believe me, this is from Soccerbase,
Heaton...6-1
Szcesny...6-5
Guzan...6-4
Cech...6-5
Courtois...6.6
Howard...6-3
Mignolet...6-4
Hart...6-5
De Gea...6-4
Green...6-3
Forster...6-7
Begovic...6-5
Pantilimon...6-8
Fabianski...6-3
Adrian...6-3
If these guys come for a cross they've a far better chance than Heaton has, that's all I'm saying, didn't think it was at all contentious.
BC
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Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: ManHug (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2015 11:15
...and as I was discussing on FB at the weekend, if Heaton did have that height and size that he could come and claim every cross.
He would probably be at a top ten club, as first choice, not at BFC.
He would probably be at a top ten club, as first choice, not at BFC.
Re: Burnley 2 West Brom 2
Posted by: bordeauxclaret (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2015 13:45
All this whingeing about Mike Dean and letting stuff go.....some people have short memories. Play-Off Final at Wembley against Sheffield United, they had two very strong claims for penalties turned down, they both looked pens to me but they weren't given, we won the game and got promoted, you could say thanks to a lenient referee not picking up on stuff in the penalty area.
The referee's name ... Mike Dean.
And he blew a good couple of minutes early in injury time as well, he's alright is Mike, leave him alone.
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The referee's name ... Mike Dean.
And he blew a good couple of minutes early in injury time as well, he's alright is Mike, leave him alone.
BC
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Fantasy League Winner 2007/8
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