Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?


Weve got Gervinho
By Boris Mellor
October 23 2011

Stoke fans are getting a reputation for being the nastiest fans in the premiership. Now I am not suggesting every Stoke fans is a  racist, but the evidence from today’s game is that a sizeable majority of the away fans are.   I am fortunate that I sit at the top of the North Bank, as far away as is possible from their racist, and other nasty, chants coming from these particular fans. However, celebrating the 3-1 win in the pub afterwards an Arsenal and Liverpool fan sitting next to the away fans told me how they had witnessed the racist abuse of a young Asian Arsenal Fan.

The fan who had been proudly standing up and showing his support for Arsenal was treated with “Paki, Paki, what’s the score” when Stoke equalised. Well dear racist muppets would you like to tell us the score now?

What a sad stain on a proud club with a wonderful anti- racist tradition, although I doubt if these ignorant louts know anything about it. But on the remote chance they might be interested I will remind them. Two of England’s finest footballers who dedicated their lives to fighting racism played for Stoke.

First Stanley Matthews, and then later George Eastham, spent much of their lives working in the townships of South Africa to encourage and train young black footballers discriminated against by a racist regime. They stood for the oppressed and against Apartheid’s attempt to ignore and destroy black football talent. How would they feel to hear this sickening mob of racists?

Eastham was an Arsenal favourite before he went to Stoke, and Matthews played for Arsenal during WWII. These links always made me fond of Stoke, and I was proud to be at Stoke for the game in Division 1 when Matthews became the first player to play a competitive league 1 game at the age of 50.

Arsenal fans adored Matthew’s and jeered any Arsenal player who dared to foul him, indeed even a robust tackle could earn a round of boos. Eastham was to become a Stoke Manager, a noted opponent of Apartheid and a holder of a 1966 World Cup medal. Eastham a founder of the South Africa Arsenal’s Supporters Club is now retired.

It is time that decent Stoke fans began to fight to restore the legacy of Eastham and Matthews, before it is erased by the stain of racism.

It seems insignificant to write about the match after such a disgraceful display of racism, but I am glad to say that the crowing of these louts was stuck back down their throats by a strong Arsenal second half performance. A good Gervinho goal was cancelled out by a lapse at the far post in the first half. However, Arsenal were far more determined in the second half, but Walcott was reluctant to score, so little was made of the pressure.

Once again Van Persie was central to the win, with all important help from Gervinho. I am not sure what was most important, that Arshavin came on, or that Walcott went off. Arshavin was far more searching and active, and I can’t help feeling that if he had had as many chances as Walcott had then the score would be very different. Without Walcott and Chamakh the whole team increased the tempo. Gervinho with a goal and two assists can be happy with his day’s work. Who knows he could become a bigger icon than Eboue.

In the end what had looked like a struggle at 70 minutes appeared to be a cakewalk on 90 minutes. The crowd were even oleing the team by the end of the game.  The crowd cheered their heads off at the news of Citeh beating Man U 6-1, don’t analyse it, just enjoy. Then in the local pubs it was cheers all over again as QPR beat Chelsea 1-0. Almost a perfect day, but racism always leaves a nasty taste. Its time something was done.

 

Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Arsenal Times (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2011 20:30

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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2011 20:37

its funny I was wondering where the racist stoke fans, who last season came on here a few times, had gone to, now we know, they are attending away games, and as we know too they have a rare type of mong at thier home games too.

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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: PKGooner (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2011 21:09

@#$%& hole of a town

1nbred fans

Not surprising at all

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: djarse (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2011 23:24

Great post, Padre

Disgusting racism - kick it out ! BNP has long had a foothold in Stoke - remember at one point they had 9 (I think) councillors.

I too remember seeing Stanley Matthews play for Stoke v Arsenal.

Cautious improvement from Arsenal too. Who knows maybe a point v Chelski next week ?

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2011 23:36

Padre did you wait for the youth game after the stoke game today

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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2011 23:50

No

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Shane (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 02:47

Have you thought about posting this on some Stoke forums?

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Bergmars (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 06:20

It seems to be the area.



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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: De Times (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 06:29

I don't care about racist activities, if anything they need help.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 09:40

I wonder if the people they abuse need any help help? Especially those unlucky enough to be beaten up by them De Times?

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: AJ The Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 11:28

great post.. didn't watch the match but saw the highlights.the utd & chelsea matches where the star matches on DSTV.gevinho worked hard for RVP to score.

it's a shame some stupid fans would choose to mare games by racist slurs.

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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: JH2k (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 15:27

This is Chinese Whispers at its best...

I thought I should wade in here as a Stoke fan who was at the game in the away end as my Arsenal housemate (not at the game) sent me this link to tease. I am sure there are racist people there in both ends but I didn't hear anything from a large section of supporters as you make out. The fact that you sit as far away as possible does make sense of your mishearing the exact words but you should be careful before making such wrong comments.

I sat about 5 rows back from the individual you say was standing to show his support, just on the other side of the home/away divide. Indeed he was showing his support, he even had 'We all follow the Arsenal' on his shirt and we liked him as he was good banter without sticking his fingers up or shouting "dirty cu#ts" which several Arsenal fans were led away by stewards for. We called him "Fatty" and the second Stoke scored a section of the crowd sang "Fatty fatty whats the score" no 'Paki'. No racism there, the guy wasn't even Asian... I suppose you couldn't see properly over there. There were loads of Stoke fans in the pubs afterwards drinking with Arsenal fans... we were and there were no problems.

On another note the Arsenal stewards are way to harsh.. with their own fans. Anyone who sings facing towards the away end are quickly told to shut up and then are ushered away by stewards or police 5 minutes later for nothing. In the second half Fatty himself was led away, he didn't stick his fingers up or shout anything that was over the top, in the end he was led away by several stewards and 2 police. There is always going to be banter between fans, some go over the top but for the majority its just a bit of fun, as long as it doesn't get over aggressive then the police should leave them to be as it causes more problems as other fans complain.

In the end Arsenal fans near the away end were taught to do what Arsenal do best and that's just to not sing at all.



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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 16:26

I made it plain in my report that I did not see or hear the incident, it was reported to me by two fans sitting next to away fans, and near the young Asian youth. No mention of him being fat.
I know one of the fans very well so its not Chinese whispers.

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: JH2k (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 16:35

Fair point but they definitely misheard.... we were singing fatty, I can understand the mistake. Arsenal stewards wouldn't have stood for anything else plus he wasn't Asian and also there were a hell of a lot of families in the stoke end not just drunken louts.



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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 18:11

I have had contact with a fan involved, who says then the whole Clock End must have misheard.
The kid involved was slim and dark, and there was an outraged reaction from a lot of Clock End Fans.

Maybe you witnessed another incident

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 18:35

Am Indian and the worst racism I've experienced at a football match was at stoke. I must have been called a 'paki' at least 5 times.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 18:59

How recently was that Gunnersingh?

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: PKGooner (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 19:52

Going through stoke in June, had to make a stop as my brother was throwing up

Quite fitting it was right infront of the ground

What were the odds!

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 21:04

Padre, it was the fa.cup game when we lost 3-1, it was either 2009 or 2010.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: JH2k (IP Logged)
Date: 24/10/2011 22:57

yeah he was dark and not that fat in reality, only a slight gut, but some stoke fans thought he looked like a fatter theo Walcott so started shouting fat this and that, he was giving us loads which promted fans to gave it back, all light hearted banter though. Must be the same incident as everyone was singing it. From where I was standing, in the thick of it, there was no racism, I certainly wouldn't be backing them up if they were been racist. Plus he wasn't Asian so if they were been racist they would have been shouting other things.

Anyway just wanted to point out that the report is unfair and incorrect as over 1000 fans spent a lot of money and came down for a good day which despite losing we enjoyed in good spirit.

Cheers

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 00:02

I have no experience of what racist stoke fans shout at Asians so cant judge, it could be possible that a minority were shouting Paki, and the majority were shouting Fatty.
The fact, as you agree, he wasnt fat does add to the confusion doesnt it?

my wittnesses are certain he was Asian, and quite a few Asian members of this blog have been called @#$%&by Stoke fans over the last few years.

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.



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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 00:07

padre the next thing is they will claim he was white, it might even have been celine if it was a fatty, he sits in that part of the ground(Sm133)

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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Ares (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 02:51

sir stanley mathews

legend.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: JH2k (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 10:24

I can understand people mishearing fatty, maybe the accent and I agree it would add to the confusion if you were not there and listening to all the singing that led up to that point. He was initially led away from his seat that was right next to the Stoke fans, as he was people started singing your just a fat Theo Walcott. He was led not much further away towards the front and then when we scored we sang that. There is racism in a minority of fans unfortunately but I haven't heard any for a long time at Stoke but I am sure it exists as it probably does with some Arsenal fans and other teams for that matter. We have plenty of Asian fans in our own stands who wouldn't put up with that. The main thing is your report states that the match on Sunday show's a majority of the stoke away fans are racist which is totally incorrect.

If the majority were singing that then the club would have a lot to answer for to the FA but other than this report there is no mention. Just think about the attention Tottenham fans got for racist chants.

As to fans coming on here making racist comments then they do not represent the majority of Stoke fans and if you want proof of that you should just go and sit in the stoke end one day, they get behind the team and the atmosphere is amazing but no racism.

Also after the song fans in the clock end hardly went mad at us, they sat in silence until you scored number 2. Not that I blame them as stewards would have got rid of them anyway if they sang just like 'Fatty' who was just showing his support was.

I will agree on Sir Stanley Mathews been a legend though. Anyway my point which as an eye witness I hope you can appreciate is made, I wont go on.

Cheers

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 10:37

Thanks for your reply, I accept that a minority may well be tarnishing the reputation of the majority. I would rather discuss with an anti racist stoke fan than an racist gooner.

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: younghansolo (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 10:53

We have greater rivals but to me I hate no other club more than Stoke, full of BNP loving @#$%& (I visitied a uni there for a teaching course and all of the houses near the university were plastered with BNP stickers.)

I also have a couple of stories from visiting the area. A few years ago I went to the Stoke Arsenal game and got Snooker balls thrown and me and my girlfriend. YES SNOOKER BALLS!

I also visited Nantwich in cheshire the evening of Ramsey's worst day. I was in a pub that was showing the game on MOTD and this scummy stoke fan stood up and pointed at the TV laughing and started to chant the one leg chant amongst some other horrible comments. After my cousin (who is also a gooner) asked him politely to sit down and shut up, he just continued. I ended up punching the guy out cold and as a non violent person i'm ashamed to say i resorted to that, but it felt right at the time.

They are evil, neanderthals who get away with far too much on and off the pitch.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 11:13

I would love to have seen that young hans. That anti ramsey stuff is despicable.

But dont knock Neanderthals, they were a human species with far more skills than any racist. Some stoke fans do have links with BNP, but we should remember that the 9 @#$%& coucillors were defeated at last election, so there are good people in Stoke, as elsewhere

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: JH2k (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 11:31

I don't get the anti Ramsey thing either, I was suprised he got booed at Stoke last season, nobody wants to see a footballers legs broken but I think at first it was just against how Wenger dealt with the situation. Pundits even criticised Wenger on how he can still manage to isolate himself when something like that happens to his own player. Now I guess some fans use it to taunt which is wrong.

As for what you said Young Hans, that's sad to hear but there are certainly some pubs that breed that kind of behaviour and you wouldn't find me in there, the wrong pub at the wrong time. I assume the BNP sticker comment is an over exaggeration, just as the houses around the uni are terraced houses taken over by students from outside the area.

Having said that I am aware that there are a minority of BNP followers which is why they held a conference there (which was subject to protests like the ones outside the BBC) but there is a reason they didn't win and that's because the majority didn't vote for them, even the 'Neanderthals'.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 11:46

Lets not forget that all Europeans have 4% Neanderthal in them - every one of them. Only Africans are 100% Homo Sapien

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: younghansolo (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 13:09

I agree with the sentiments above, I'm sure there are some good people within Stoke. There is however, an unpleasant undergrowth within the community which I feel is still under addressed.

As to the terraced houses, it may have been an exageration on my part but I certainly counted between 9/10 stickers in the window (it was around the General Election). But to be fair I did also see an old man handing out anti BNP leaflets at the station (which most people thought was pro BNP and promptly gave the man a dirty look)

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: JH2k (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 13:33

I agree there is an unpleasant undergrowth in certain areas of the city, tends to be the most deprived areas built around the city centre. These are some of the most deprived areas in the country, no jobs, over immigration, and a corrupt local Government (Who have been busted) make it impossible to regenerate the area such as citys like Sheffield have done. Areas like this anywhere suffer the same problems and results. An Asian friend of mine didn't exactly feel comfortable in a pub near West Ham last year but no suprises either there.

Having said that let me not put you off a trip to Stoke, I would recommend a tour around the JCB Headquaters, Alton Towers or the Monkey Park in Treatham gardens any day to meet the good locals :-)



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Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 15:38

Staying on the racism theme, has anyone read Steve doughty from the mail piece? He says black players should put up with racism and get on with the game.

Unbelievable, am shocked the mail published it.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: JH2k (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 17:53

Not read it but doesn't surprise me, things like this are why the mail becomes the but of Comedians jokes.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 18:00

The mail is not known as The @#$%& paper for nothing. In 1930s it had a headline Hurrah for the Blackshirts

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Willy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 19:24

The blackshirts? As in the SS? Surely not, that is absolutely scandalous!

Re: Would Racist Stoke Fans Like to Tell Us The Score?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2011 19:29

As in Oswald Moseley's Blackshirts modelled on Hitler's @#$%&'s

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

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