Arsenal lose art of winning - time for a boycott?

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overreaction

Yes its a knee jerk I get from watching a team that's pants when it matters

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

padre are you going to try and organise the boycott, you are in the AST, would they support this stance, would enough or even any of the fans groups support it in big enough numbers for it to have an effect, i wish you luck, bad result v city next sunday may help in getting a boycott for the replay, but a good result would probably kill it

*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

AST wont organise a boycott, they would be expelled from any negotiations with the club. I think its a matter of raising the idea for now and see if we get any response. I suspect it will undersell anyway.

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Top article pad.im gonna plug this on twitter now

beat city and it will be full, buy David Villa etc and it will be full,
still think that the boycott has to happen following one of those marches,
also padre you know there may be lots of disillusioned gooners but very few are united in their view of the cause and so very hard to get them to support a boycott if the said boycott is not in line with their views. You have made it clear you want Wenger and Gazidis gone, alot view one or the other as being the problem, very few see both, and Wenger still has massive loyalty from the fans,

*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

What a nasty article by a small minded Wenger hater. Despite finishing 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th for 15 years, Boris Mellor continues to write garbage fuelled by hatred of the finest manager in Arsenal history. A classic anti-arsenal so called arsenal supporter. Has no clue about how Man City and Chelsea have changed the landscape of football in the last 7 years, and completely fails to acknowledge the many over achievements of Arsenal even in the last 7 years, on a restricted budget. A nasty little man Boris Mellor, one that I would not sit next to at a game if I know who he was. Go and @#$%& yourself Boris Mellor. You are an ignorant man.



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pot kettle black, goonersteve

*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

The first step is organization, which should be a seperate group form the AST or Black Scarf Movement though members of both groups are more than welcome to join as the groups as a whole would be when that time came.

Then can at least there can serious discussion of what it is that is wrong what needs to happen and what can be done to make that happen

I think then there should be a campaign of steady public pressure ahead of any boycott to try to get the needed changes not only to hopefully avoid a boycott of the Club we love which while it may be necessary at some point nobody really wants it to happen or have to happen.

This would also give those on the sidelines the opportunity to join the movement once they see there is a movement to join and that it is active and growing. Too often we all talk the talk on these things but wait for someone else or everyone else to walk the walk.

In addition the time before the boycott will not merely give the movment a much bigger hammer to wield but allow all of those in this effort to get the strength to if necessary take that more drastic and traumatic action if that time comes and to make that action that much larger and more impactful and successful.

Gooner Steve

Which planet do you live. How worst does it need to get before you see sense. Eight years without winning anything, the directors made a fortune, the ticket prices are among the most expensive in the world. We watch a mediocre team play every week a manager stuck in the past with an oversize ego. Do you truly believe we will anything this season? If you truly believe that then you have turned into a Gazidis clone.

I remember reading about the man utd fans trying to start a boycott to protest against the Glazer's ownership. The protest really never got off the ground due to Utd's success record since the Glazers took over. Arsenal fans who have more reasons to boycott, for example no trophies, selling of our best players, raising the ticket prices, will fair the same trying to start a boycott, unfortunately. Until we have an owner who cares more about winning trophies than the balance sheet, things will remain the same.

Yes winning things stopped the man u boycott, but arsenal will not be winning things under this manager. it will happen, maybe not straight away but it will happen

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

nobletojan/goonersteve you are a numpty nobody falls for this rubbish anymore

The real issue is that a boycott has to be successful otherwise we have nothing else with which to bring pressure for change on the Club. That is as much way it is the last option to employ as the uncertainty that many supporters would have immediately embracing the idea. Again this is why this has to begin with the formation of a serious organization dedicated to organizing a serious protest pressure and advocacy movement.

This will be the foundation of whatever actions follow on and without this foundation we are just talking the talk for another year or two years or three years.



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So what would you do if you were at a game and it suddenly became evident you were sitting next to nasty Boris Mellor, Goonersteve? Ask the stewards to move you? Go home? Stand in the aisle?

ask him for a werthers original, or some denture glue

So you can sniff it Jackboy?

So I see i made my point

I recall we held the lead against WBA and also against Wigan and kept it.

I also recall we came back from 1-0 down to get a draw against Southampton. Played poorly but didn't get beaten as we may have in previous seasons. Came back from 1-0 down to lead 2-1 today. In other seasons we would have lost 2-0 in both those games.

Kept getting pegged back by Newcastle but what happened? We scored 4 goals unanswered.

And using the 'last 8 years' as a bat to hit Wenger with is disingenuous at best Padre.

Simon 68. Who are you really? I reckon Gazidis in disguise if not you must be a mole for the board. I am not sure how long you have been a supporter. I am not sure you know what it feels like to witness your team you have been supporting all your life lift a FA cup. I was at the game against Leicester when we became the invincible. This is a memory I will never forget for the rest of my life. I want to be able to experience the feeling of winning again, believe me it is great. What you also have to remember what Wenger and the arsenal board keep saying that finish 4th is what they are looking for and the other bit they do not say is to keep making money for themselves. You must a mug to buy this philosophy. The only way that we will return to winning ways is to get a new manager.

Are these deluded mugs who support Wenger and Gazidis complicit in the downfall of our once great club? Part of me thinks so. Perhaps they are just the new breed of Gooner, too young to remember how great it used to (and could) be.

We are heading for a war between those supporters that want to act and those prepared to tolerate the dross.

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Yes winning things stopped the man u boycott, but arsenal will not be winning things under this manager. it will happen, maybe not straight away but it will happen

Padre, the major difference I have with you is that you seem to be fixated on Wenger as the root of all evil at Arsenal whereas I see the board and Kronke as the major reason why Arsenal has not gone forward since moving from Highbury.

Are you going to tell me that Wenger is responsible for raising the ticket prices at the Emirates and selling our best players? No, that is an upper management decision. No owner would let a subordinate sell his most valuable assets, especially, to his main rivals.

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Simon 68. Who are you really? I reckon Gazidis in disguise if not you must be a mole for the board. I am not sure how long you have been a supporter. I am not sure you know what it feels like to witness your team you have been supporting all your life lift a FA cup. I was at the game against Leicester when we became the invincible. This is a memory I will never forget for the rest of my life. I want to be able to experience the feeling of winning again, believe me it is great. What you also have to remember what Wenger and the arsenal board keep saying that finish 4th is what they are looking for and the other bit they do not say is to keep making money for themselves. You must a mug to buy this philosophy. The only way that we will return to winning ways is to get a new manager.

Simon's been around long enough to remember previous barren streaks. You're barking up the wrong tree there matey.

The fact that there were previous barren streaks as every Gooner really knows or should know doesn't justify the current streak Philly - nobody cut our spending like this and pocketed 400 million pounds for themselves as it continued.

That makes this run completely different becuase it may be this barren could have been avoided largely or entirely but for at best a shameful lack of ambition at the time and at worst an even more shameful period were personal greed mattered more to the trusted with running the Club than football did.

So the Arsenal Times is ORGANISING boycotts now?? Padre, you seem to be losing your grip. The defence is our achillies heel now in spite of a promising start to the season, remember "the Boult Effect"? You know it, we know it and Wenger knows it, that's why we are going to bring in some a class players in the coming weeks. Yet because we drew another away game to a very good side, you're calling for a boycott!?

What the feck good do you imagine that will do? Awake the coach to our deficiances? I've got news for yer, he knows it already. All such a move would do would be to deepen the lack of confidence of our team.

Calm down for feck's sake, go down to Dingle and breathe some real air then come fighting.

Phuck me! I just wasted three minutes of my life reading that garbage of an article by a bitter little man.

"A club is a union between players, supporters and directors". - Wenger.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

Nobody is making you visit this website De Times.

Eight years of being also rans. And what is the one constant in those years, Wenger.

You get strange unsubstantiated claims by some that only Wenger could have kept Arsenal in the CL every year. This is a spurious argument built on sentiment. Arsenal are one of the richest clubs in the league, they have a huge wage bill to prove it. There's no reason why we shouldn't be competing with Manu as they seem quite capable of competing with the oil teams and yet they are a club saddled with debt. So we have finished top four in all those trophyless years. That's the least we should expect, that is NOT an over achievement.

The difference is ambition and the sale of RVP simply made plain what the more perspicacious of us already knew.

And then you get ridiculous statements from Simon about how well we did holding on to leads against mighty Wigan and the mammoth beast that is Southampton. Now I think comparing results is another spurious argument but for the sake of it I will.

Couldn't hold on to a lead against Fulham. 2-0 loss at home to Swansea. Couldn't beat Sunderland at home. Lost at home to Chelsea. Couldn't beat Bradford. Couldn't beat Villa away. That's the Villa who Spuds beat 4-0 at Villa Park. The same Fulham side that lost 3-0 at home to Spuds. And Chelsea this weekend put five past Southampton with the help of Demba Ba, a player that Arsenal could easily afford and many fans would have been happy to see join us. A proven striker in the EPL for less money than Gervinho. And Wenger missed that bargain.

So he might have got injured but so might have RVP by now and yet all I see his him scoring goals every week.

And Wenger claims the fans want players like Messi to join us. No you French clown we had a player of world class quality and you sold him for peanuts, considering the job he's doing for Manu and the struggle we have in actually having a dependable striker.

Wenger uses any excuse to dither because it appears he can't admit he's bought mainly dross for the last three years. So it'll take a good healthy home beating by City to wake the clown up and then he'll go on a spending spree buying half a dozen so so players who may or may not grab the Holy Grail of fourth spot.

And the farce that is AFC continues ad infinitum. It's tedious.

And yes Wenger isn't the only problem. But he's the immediate problem.

Radio, it has everything to do with previous occasions we`ve had lean patches. They are exactly the same.

There are reasons for our present barren-run and all of us have a go at trying to suss the reasons out. Some blame the owners, some blame the manager and some blame the players.

I, as you know, put most of the blame at the feet of our moving to Emirates. Of being broke, in essence.

You blame the Board for what you perceive as corporate robbery. But in the end, it does not matter F.A. as to what you and I perceive, or any one else for that matter.

The point is we are having a barren run. Like I, and possibly you, witnessed in the 60s, 70s and a lot of the 80s.

Most of the 90s and the 1st half of the 2000s were bloody great.

During the 70s and 80s the Scouses had most of it. And we were about the 2nd or 3rd best team in the land. I say this as a generalisation, but they were still barren runs. From a neutral perspective Arsenal fc were, at best, a `cup team`.

I remember ManU getting relegated in 74 and a couple of my buddies who were staunch ManU fans, one was born in the rats-nest, almost stopped supporting them in their 2div season.

They took Docherty to pieces over it, when, in hindsight, the influence of the core of their team had leaving the season before, was the real reason for their decline.

It`s a lot easier to blame an entity than it is to blame a concept or an influence. Fans need something physical to take aim at.

Anyway I`m rambling. What I`m suggesting is, the real reasons are many-fold and it`s groundhog day in the barren-days department, at present.

Since the end of WW1, 1919, when the FA restarted its 4 tier football league, with Arsenal fc in the 1st div, there’s only ever been one club to have never been relegated from Div 1/ EPL.

Arsenal fc

Let’s keep making history

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De Times
Phuck me! I just wasted three minutes of my life reading that garbage of an article by a bitter little man.

If you were to add up the time it takes to read every post you've ever written, considering they're seldom puncuated and never paragraphed, it would take the guts of two weeks to read the drivel you've posted. So what's three minutes?

Not that I agree with your assessment. While I disagree with the overall theme of the piece, Padre does raise very good points that can't be defended by even the most hardcore of Wenger loyalists.

Quote Hippo: "You get strange unsubstantiated claims by some that only Wenger could have kept Arsenal in the CL every year. This is a spurious argument built on sentiment. Arsenal are one of the richest clubs in the league, they have a huge wage bill to prove it. There's no reason why we shouldn't be competing with Manu as they seem quite capable of competing with the oil teams and yet they are a club saddled with debt. So we have finished top four in all those trophyless years. That's the least we should expect, that is NOT an over achievement."

Moyles gets half as much to spend on wages than Wenger - half as much, that is over achievment

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Agree completely with weedz, a very sensible and rational individual.

@Weedz, we're not broke though are we?

The team is close to it though.

Liverpool haven't won the league for what will at the end of this season be 23 years.

They've spent vastly more money than us trying to get back what they regarded as theirs - 1st position.

They haven't come close in all that time yet still regard themselves as one of the biggest clubs not just in this country, but worldwide.

Yet they've failed, most often down there with the Tottenhams, Villas, Evertons etc as no-hopers, for 23 years.

All the money spent, the huge debts run up, all the players bought, all the 'world class managers', the 'messiahs' and yet, nothing.

And this season? Even further away than last season which is saying something.

And their new stadium which has been talked about for about a decade now is still a pipedream.

One of the 3 clubs in this country who can justly claim to be 'big', along with us and ManU, and look where they are.

Most of the headlines they've made over the past few seasons have been for the wrong reasons.

No-one has a divine right to success. Some years you get lucky, most years you don't.

Compared to them, and it is a good comparison, I feel Arsenal get a huge number of things right.

People are fond of talking about keeping things in perspective, but most people fail to do that.

So maybe it would also be too much to ask that people realised there are hugely important factors that go into category 'Outside Influences That Affect Arsenal FC' when it comes to explaining why we haven't won a trophy for 7 seasons (it's not 8 seasons or years until the end of the season, but hey, don't let little facts get in the way of making Wenger look even more useless than he obviously is). I won't go into them yet again as I reckon if you haven't read them by now or have ignored them because they don't suit your argument, then it's probably too late.

As for David Moyes. No trophies in nearly 11 years as Everton manager. One Cup Final.

Even McCleish has done better than that. Overachieving? Really?

Oh dearie the divine right argument. I haven't seen this one in 3 or 4 years at least. Getting desperate now eh Simon? Maybe having troble believing your own propaganda finally?

This is the argument one uses when there is no other argument that will work and they know it.


The issue isn't whether we should win a trophy every year because there is no gurarntee of anyone getting up the next morning every day let alone your club winning some silverware every year.

The problem here is that the Club clearly and only a true propagandist and blind faith believer can deny this have not shown the same level of ambition and effort to try to compete to win silverware or reach the highest levels they competitively annually which is all any realistic supporter should expect from their club whomever it may be since I'll throw out number for comparison 1998-2005.

Add to that that for all their protestations of looking out for the Club and its long-term interests and not wanting to do any damage to Club that was their sole concern the board who ceased making this minimal effort pocketed 400 million pounds for themselves in 2011 which doesn't sound like any sort of long-term concern for the anything regarding the Club. And if this had happened the same way at [b]any other club you'd agree[/b] that was the case.

No Simon I sense you don't even feel confident in the credibility of your defence of these individuals any longer really because as i say the words divine right reek of this debate back in 2007 or 2008 about the Club's direction going forward and should we support it.

Sorry Weedz there is a small difference.

All great team runs end and then start again, but not usually in these circumstanmces, not where we just sell off talent and refuse to invest in replacing it properly and that leads to our Custodians who insist they have no interest in moaking money for themselves are are long-term Gooners like ourselves for all practical intents and piurposes pocket 400 million pounds of money in the what can only be called very much the short term.

When was the last dry spell which saw the Custodians slash investment in the team and then make huge personal profits shortly thereafter? This is like when the Boston Red Sox owner sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees, so he could use the money to produce a broadway musical!

The Red Sox had won two World Series to the Yankees none at that time both with Ruth leading the way. Over the next 86 years the yankees won the Championship 26 times the Red Sox none And Babe Ruth played a huge role in their first three Championships and won their fourth with them as well.

See pocketing 400 million now for themselves won't necessarily benefit the Club long-term will it? And that is the drastic difference in this barren run. It almost certainly did not have to happen as it has given the personnel in place at the time except the the custodians trusted with advancing the Clb's ambitions becamse totally about advancing their own personal financial ambitions.

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overreaction

to put it lightly.

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RadioFreeArsenal
Oh dearie the divine right argument. I haven't seen this one in 3 or 4 years at least. Getting desperate now eh Simon? Maybe having troble believing your own propaganda finally?
This is the argument one uses when there is no other argument that will work and they know it.


The issue isn't whether we should win a trophy every year because there is no gurarntee of anyone getting up the next morning every day let alone your club winning some silverware every year.

The problem here is that the Club clearly and only a true propagandist and blind faith believer can deny this have not shown the same level of ambition and effort to try to compete to win silverware or reach the highest levels they competitively annually which is all any realistic supporter should expect from their club whomever it may be since I'll throw out number for comparison 1998-2005.

Add to that that for all their protestations of looking out for the Club and its long-term interests and not wanting to do any damage to Club that was their sole concern the board who ceased making this minimal effort pocketed 400 million pounds for themselves in 2011 which doesn't sound like any sort of long-term concern for the anything regarding the Club. And if this had happened the same way at [b]any other club you'd agree[/b] that was the case.

No Simon I sense you don't even feel confident in the credibility of your defence of these individuals any longer really because as i say the words divine right reek of this debate back in 2007 or 2008 about the Club's direction going forward and should we support it.

Stop sounding so desperate. You've got to change the record. It's not all about what you have on your agenda.

I don't have one and I don't post according to yours. I don't look to score points as I post as I see it, as anyone whose been on this site for a long time, as I have, will tell you.

If you failed to see what I thought was a fairly obvious point, I'm not going to bother explaining it to you.

I'm not desperate at all where this argument is cooncerned . I would be perfectly happy to be wrong and these issues were corrected that way. I am only desperately concerned for my football club. Being right on a message forum is no achievement in itself for anyone really with all due respect.

In this case being right can lead to public action or reaction and positive change for that pressure.

But where you and some others and I really differ is you cannot conceive of the possibility you might even perhaps be wrong not because of ego I don't believe but because of the importance you place in your faith in the Club and those running it being justified. That does not allow for any other possibility but what you want to believe not because you are right and must be right but because your faith must be justified. My sense is your latest reversion to pre-2008 arguments suggests maybe your own faith is being shaken now

To Padre and Ed, why do you continuously persist in trying to lead AT memberss into beleaving that we are a rich club, or in fact, that any of the FAPL clubs are rich?

`Some of the clubs turn a profit`, you say, but forget the fact that they are all in deep debt.

What you discribe as rich clubs only have rich owners. Roman and the Oil Sheiks are rich, but Chelski and City are not rich. Their balance sheets prove my right on this.

I suspect that making out that Afc is rich fits nicely into your agenda against Wenger and the silly way you paint a picture of Wenger having all the money he`s needed to bring back his own glory days.

We are poor. We owe a quarter of a billion pounds to other organisations. Turning a profit does not mean you`re rich.

Since the end of WW1, 1919, when the FA restarted its 4 tier football league, with Arsenal fc in the 1st div, there’s only ever been one club to have never been relegated from Div 1/ EPL.

Arsenal fc

Let’s keep making history

I think the answer to that is the Club says it rich and getting richer Weedz. At leasst that is what the say to investors and is no doubt a big part of why the club's share price had increased by 15-16 thousand pounds since 2001.

Of course they turn to the supporters ans act like we on the edge of bankruptcy if we increase any investment in the team now or any time soon.

So what is the truth? We do not know with absolute certainty yet although the evidence strongly suggests that in fact we do have plenty of money and are a rich club though we do have a long-term but easily managable debt given our financila profile that needs to be addressed annually and must keep that in mind moving forward.

The problem if in fact we are not as rich as they are saying is not simply that we are not as rich but this clearly raises the specter of far more serious and damaging issues that would not only put the Club['s reptation in serious jeopardy but its very survivakl because if there is a drastic differenc ebetween what they have been selling to inevstors and the Club's actual financial health we are not talking simply the decpetion of supporters anymore but actual conspiracy to commit stock and accounting fraud. We are talking Enron.

We have no reason to believe this is the case at this time but if in fact we are not rich as has been suggested in the Club'a annual reports and to the investors at the AGMs and in the Arsenal Board Room than the Board screwing the Club and its supporters in fact are the very least of our worries.

So let's hope they have in fact just betrayed our trust because as horrible and shameful and inexcusable as that is its not illegal at least.

@Simon,Liverpool have won the CL though which is something Wenger has never done and I suspect he never will. And one thing I'll say about Pool, at least they look like they want to win things, no matter how wrong they seem to be getting it.

We have plenty of money Weedz. 35 million to spend on players according to Gazidis. We'll ignore the 100 million in the bank as that seems to be contentious.

The time to really cause an impact is when season ticket renewal forms are sent out. Thats normally when AFC makesone signing to con everyone into believing that we are really going to go all out and spend.

agreed sixties but many Gooners understandably are reluctant to do that straight away and even if we organize and begin taking progressive action now my sense is the momentum to take action this year is already in jeopardy. the timing will be critical and people need time to fortify their will to action of this nature.

I would an organization should be formed now and discussions held to determine what we want to advocate and how we can do so. If things improve on their then we all are happy for the Club and have new drinking buddies. If not we are ready to act moving forward straight away.

I would suggest a strong petition this April or may as well as some sort of presence at the AGM petition this spring and other actions all with an eye of building the size and strength of the organization to begin plans for if needed the boycott of season ticket renewals in may 2014 if it comes to that.

I don't think an unorganized campaign will achieve much if anything this may, but an attempt at an organized boycott prematurely could backfire even more spectacularly and then the movement would lose that critical tool of negotiation before it could be used effectively.

I agree with your points on boycott RFA, maybe someone could set up a facebook page. Fans could stop buying programmes and merchandise. We will need to see what happens in Window, and what position the club finishes. Below 4th and no trophies we would need to react quickly.
If Wenger makes big buys in window (some chance) and team finishes third (most unlikely) then it would be whistling in the wind.

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

I must apologise for an error, I said we havent won a trophy for 8 years, that should have read 7 years 8 months.
Its not 8 years until May, when with Wenger still in charge, and no change in policy, we will be heading for 9 years

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

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Are these deluded mugs who support Wenger and Gazidis complicit in the downfall of our once great club? Part of me thinks so. Perhaps they are just the new breed of Gooner, too young to remember how great it used to (and could) be.

Oh my, the irony. So the new breed of gooner isn't the one used to Arsenal winning trophies year after year and are now throwing their toys out of the pram because we haven't won any for a while?

Most of the older Arsenal fans will know, winning trophy year after year isn't the norm and we have been through many barren times.

The good times will return soon enough.

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We are heading for a war between those supporters that want to act and those prepared to tolerate the dross.

Or a war between those who realise the Club's long term aim and those who have no patience and demand everything now.

The real 'downfall' of this club will come when they start listening to the latter.

Or a war between people who can spot a dishonourable corporate conspiracy when ones parked right under their nose, and people who cant.

le grove have come out today opposing the boycott idea

*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

Well he wont want to fall out with his mates down at the club, the ones who told him your article was wrong I believe eddy

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

, yeah his reaction was funny, especially when, since then he has broke the news of much of what I stated in it. But I was banned long ago on le grove so he is hardly going to give credit now is he.

*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

He told me I had made a mistake and if only I had spoken to the club they would have helped me

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

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@Simon,Liverpool have won the CL though which is something Wenger has never done and I suspect he never will. And one thing I'll say about Pool, at least they look like they want to win things, no matter how wrong they seem to be getting it.
We have plenty of money Weedz. 35 million to spend on players according to Gazidis. We'll ignore the 100 million in the bank as that seems to be contentious.

From what I`ve read, I believe Hippo, that the club must keep that 100m in reserve , as part of the contract, on our debt, with the banks.

I know we must keep a cash reserve, but I`m not too sure of the amount.

35m to spend on players? Well to buy a player of quality, one would imagine that a 15-25m pound outlay would be required for the transfer. 25 - 40m for a top-line striker/AMF, who`d have sell-on value.

And anywhere between 8 -15m in wages for the contract. So maybe you should take the `s` off the end of `players`.

Also, with our club having such a strict wage structure, bringing in a high wage earner would result in a massive headache.

Since the end of WW1, 1919, when the FA restarted its 4 tier football league, with Arsenal fc in the 1st div, there’s only ever been one club to have never been relegated from Div 1/ EPL.

Arsenal fc

Let’s keep making history

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mallyx68
Oh my, the irony. So the new breed of gooner isn't the one used to Arsenal winning trophies year after year and are now throwing their toys out of the pram because we haven't won any for a while?
Most of the older Arsenal fans will know, winning trophy year after year isn't the norm and we have been through many barren times.

The good times will return soon enough.

I wnt to be careful here because our history does suggest success in the future as no club has celebrated success in as many different decased as Arsenal.

Having said that I am sure you don't believe spending more money6 now guarantees any additional success now, so how can you guarantee success in the future simply because there has been success in the past? That is just disingenuous and hypocritical really and look no further than the Seven Sisters Road to see people still believing that mantra and still waiting for it to happen 50 years on.

If success is not guaranteed now it is never guaranteed and to suggest otherwise is dishoinest really even in spite of past history.

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Or a war between those who realise the Club's long term aim and those who have no patience and demand everything now.
The real 'downfall' of this club will come when they start listening to the latter.

Mallyx what exactly can our Club's long-term aim be when the people who initiated this long-term vision took 400 million pounds for themselves in the very short term and aren't even guiding us long-term now?

@Weedz, I'd be happy if we just bought Fellaini, we have enough money for that.

We probably need at least three more signings if we want to win anything but Fellaini might be enough to secure us fourth.

It would buy us another window maybe to get it right Hippo but no more than that really.

Mastered the art of losing tho ...we've turned it into an art