Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?


By Merlion
June 6 2023

An interesting read is, “Expected Goals” (2022) by Rory Smith. The extracts discussed below show why Brighton and Brentford are so successful in their recruitment, and punch above their weight in EPL.

Michael Lewis’ book “Moneyball” has been misinterpreted on the assumption that adopting a data-led approach would inevitably not cost significant sums of money. Moneyball was about exploiting inefficiencies in the market; not paying premium fees. Matthew Benham’s Brentford and Tony Bloom’s Brighton are “Moneyball” clubs, almost exactly what the early pioneers of and advocates for the use of data in football. They recruit players from undervalued markets or with underappreciated skill sets. They spot talent where others see none. They play as style of football that has been shaped and honed by the study of vast tracts of data. Their approach has enabled them all to surpass teams with far greater revenues and much deeper pockets. They are trailblazers of what football might look like, how it might work, in the digital age.

Bloom and Benham are, generally, described as “professional gamblers”. Both of them use data analytics to give them an edge in the gambling industry. Bloom’s firm has Starlizard. Benham’s consultancy, SmartOdds, does much the same. Both have staffs that run into the hundreds assessing every single factor that might have some impact on the outcome of a game: not just form but anything from the weather to the distance the visiting team has had to travel.

Starlizard’s data makes the firm an “excellent judge of talent”. The firm has a trove of detailed information on tens of thousands of players around the world: not just rudimentary information but in-depth, complex performance analysis.

Brighton has made a habit of recruiting players from leagues where other teams are too wary to shop – competitions where data is deemed unreliable or incomplete, or where quality of competition varies so wildly that it can be hard to draw concrete conclusions – or signing talent that might have slipped by unnoticed by rivals.

That sort of data analysis in the transfer market is part of Brentford’s approach. In 2016, Brentford took the unorthodox decision to scrap its academy. Brentford had realized that, under England’s youth development rules, it was essentially nurturing players so that bigger, richer teams could come and poach them for a pittance. Instead, the club chose to establish a so-called “B Team”, largely stocked by players aged between 17 and 20: often, the ones who had been cut loose from other sides’ academy systems. Rather than being a rival destined to lose out to Chelski, Arsenal and Spurs, Brentford saw this as a chance to be something closer to a partner. In the years that followed, the B Team would provide the club with a steady supply of first-teamers, players who had developed late or improved rapidly or needed a change of environment. It had found, in other words, an inefficiency in the system, and exploited it.

Hendrik Almstadt was persuading Arsenal executives and Arsene Wenger to buy StatDNA for £2 million. The approach Almstadt took was deliberately provocative. He discussed two players Arsenal had signed in previous summers: Maroaune Chamakh, on a free transfer and Park Chu-Young for a nominal fee. Wenger had signed off both. Almstadt told him he should not have done. He had both players’ performance data at their previous clubs. It showed what Almstadt believed to be “clear red flags”. Chamakh had undeniable talent, and had scored goals consistently, but did so in streaks, and his output outside the box – how much he was involved in play, his work-rate, his ability to fold into the team’s structure – was limited. Park’s metrics were not impressive enough, even for a young player, to believe that he would soon be ready to play first-team football for a club of Arsenal’s scale and scope.

Neither had cost a vast amount of money, but both represented another player, a more fitting player, not signed. Both occupied a space in the squad. Both ate up a little of the wage bill. Both had been poor choices, and both had been entirely avoidable. Or rather, both would have been avoidable had Arsenal used data as a matter of course in their recruitment process.

Data most immediate use, in a football context, was to outline what not to do. Almstadt said, “Stupid player transactions kill clubs. It helps you not to do stupid stuff.”

The problem lies with Arsene Wenger who never spent money easily. As Arsenal tried to offset Emirates Stadium building cost, Wenger had developed an especially parsimonious streak. Wenger saw his job as maintaining Arsenal’s presence in the Champion League, while working on a strict budget, and enduring and regular departure of some of his finest players. He needed to find bargains like Chamakh and Park, to take risks, and had little or no margin for error. He agreed to buy to buy StatDNA for £2 million.

 

Why did Arsenal’s fail to take advantage of the head start the club had been granted by the arrival of StatDNA? Arsenal was ahead of the curve with StatDNA. Unfortunately, by the time StatDNA arrived, the club was already deep into the aimless, listless malaise of late-era Wenger, waiting to find out what the future might be. Decisions were made in a spirit of uneasy consensus, while the parsimony of the Kroenke family, once they had complete control, meant that Arsenal could not be sure of signing players the club really want.

 It was not an ideological resistance to data nor suspicion to those StatDNA nerds telling lifelong scouts who they should be signing. It was, instead, something far more mundane: self-preservation.

Traditionally, coaches and scouts as a group in possession of “protected knowledge”. They alone knew the formula for either identifying or creating talented players; they knew it because of the precise and personal experiences and backgrounds. It could not be shared or acquired. That knowledge gave them their value. It gave them their jobs. And why Almstadt was accused of “trying to take someone’s job”. To Edu’s and Arteta’s credit, they were ruthless enough to dismantle this Arsenal out-of-date scouting network and re-start again.

By 2015, StatDNA was known as Arsenal Data analytics. Data did not transform Arsenal into champions. As counter-intuitive as it is, Almstadt believes that StatDNA did its job by ensuring the wrong players did not arrive, as much as making sure the right player did. “If you look at what happened afterwards with £75 million paid for Nicolas Pepe, that was not happening when StatDNA was at the centre of everything”, he said. (A solid explanation as to how Pepe came to be signed is not really provided).

In 2017 Sven Mislintat had been appointed to oversee the club’s recruitment department. He was an analytics devotee and had developed his own platform, Matchmetrics. He was a victim of a schism with Raul Sanllehi and lasted less than a year. His influence remained; the analytics used by the club’s scouting department were different from those offered by Arsenal Data Analytics. Mikel Arteta’s solution to that problem was not to unify the two teams, but to throw in a third: he brought in Lee Mooney, a former colleague at Manchester City, as a consultant.

At Arsenal, it seems that every signing seemed to be a “compromise” not just economically but politically: the club would frequently move for a player that nobody objected to, rather than the one that a specified department advocated.

Arteta will need to complete the 2022/23 data analysis, taking into account all sorts of data: the number of chances a team was creating, the quality of those chances, the amount and the nature of opportunities it was conceding, and whether the club’s model showed that the club was the best team in EPL. That did not just mean that the team had been a little unlucky, a little profligate. Plus, to study whether there are any common characteristics amongst players who had succeeded in 2022/23 season, and determine what sort of traits they should be searching for when recruiting, will Mikel Arteta be as successful as Bloom and Benham in recruiting the correct players that will strengthen his 2023/24 squad to challenge for the title again.

 

Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?
Posted by: Arsenal Times (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2023 11:03

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Re: Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2023 15:48

Nope

Re: Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?
Posted by: Boston Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2023 16:43

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CazOnARola
Nope

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Re: Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2023 09:37

This needs taking a bit more seriously. Can we copy Brighton by using the data? How can we explain the purchase of Pepe.?
Why did we get rid of the coaching staff it can’t be you tube.
The modern game is being driven by the data.
Wenger succeeded by buying marginal French Players and that route has gone.
So how will Arteta step up, Man City superiority is massive, finish second to them is no disgrace ask Ten Hag. But the issue is how can any ambitious club get past them. Is it the data?

"When we had to suffer the team is a lion because they suffer together." 4 July 2020 at Wolverhampton Wanderers
Arteta on his team's first away victory at a club above them in the Premiership since September 2015 at Leicester.

Re: Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2023 17:16

Quote:
Padre Pio
This needs taking a bit more seriously. Can we copy Brighton by using the data? How can we explain the purchase of Pepe.?
Why did we get rid of the coaching staff it can’t be you tube.
The modern game is being driven by the data.
Wenger succeeded by buying marginal French Players and that route has gone.
So how will Arteta step up, Man City superiority is massive, finish second to them is no disgrace ask Ten Hag. But the issue is how can any ambitious club get past them. Is it the data?
The only way teams can past man City is a) they cheat like them b) Authorities stop them from cheating and ban them.

We can just wait for a chance two seasons for now and hope we can keep our best players.

Brighton are a great feeder club.. Their model doesn't work for us. Cause once a player reaches a good level, our preference is to keep them and challenge for a title. Plus we don't do shady deals for young players anymore.

Data is over rated. Its not useless, its very useful but it's usefulness is overrated cause it ignores context by itself and it needs to be brought in by the people making the decisions.

Infact we a bigger challenge in terms of our manager improving on his ability to rotate and use the whole squad and not wait for an injury crisis before trusting players outside his preferred 1st 11



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Re: Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2023 11:57

Eduardo strongly recommended Luka Modric to Arsene Wenger. Wenger claimed he was "too small" and will not last in highly physical English Football.
Similarly, he claimed they had watched Kante "numerous time" at Nacy but failed to sign him. The rest is history.
Read on why Arsene Wenger and Arsenal scouting network failed for the last 10 years to unearth "nuggets" since Fabregas:

“Moneyball” signing was a new strain of thought at Arsenal by 2013. Hendrik Almstadt had started work in the club’s commercial department three years previously.

But there were resistant from the scouting network. At one point, Almstadt recommended a layer at his hometown club, Werder Bremen, who StatDNA had picked out as a star in the making. Arsenal’s scouting staff were not quite as convinced that Kevin De Bruyne would make it. He was, one scout told Almstadt, not dynamic enough to make it in England. The striker plying his trade in Austria who had caught Almstadt’s eye was dismissed, too. Nobody was that impressed by the number of goals Sadio Mane had scored.

Wenger would essentially had claimed to have been close to signing basically all the world’s best players. Almstadt did not bring up the names of players he suggested who did not go on to be Mane of De Bruyne. “Mistakes are orphans” as he put it. None of that is unique to a data-driven approach.
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Reports claimed that Arteta is known as "developing youngsters" with claims that he made Sterling and Sane "better". But both players are A-listed players when bought by Man City. And Arteta merely following the blueprint setup by Pep and trained them into the pattern of plays established by Pep.

Arsenal?
Guendouzi, Martinelli and Saka were developed by Unai Emery initially and Arteta continued the process when he took over.
Guendouzi left and continues developing at Marseille and became a French International.

And those youngsters bought by Mikel Arteta - how many of them were given playing times like Emery gave Martinelli and Saka?
- Lokonga - failed to develop
- Tavares - failed to develop
- Vieira - failed to develop
- Marquinho - failed to develop like Martinelli.

But Arteta has three notable successes:
- he spotted Odegaard and develops him, and he can only better and better.
- recognized Xhaka is better playing further up.
- Tomiyasu for his versatility.

Saliba?
C'mon, he got lucky that Marseille developed him, especially Arteta had no confidence in him when he bought Ben White for 50-mil and sent Saliba out on-loan.

And really, how efficient are Edu and Arteta in going thru' the transfer process with data analytics that unlike Brighton, those youngsters they bought are just duds like Lokonga, Tavares and Vieira when we needed them during 2022/23 season to give depth to the squad.

2023/24 season?
Not confident on their transfer prowess as Edu seems interested in Brazilian players, over-priced or 17-19 years old youths that still needed 2-3 years of development before promoted into senior squad.

Is Edu a "one-hit wonder" with Martinelli and only good to buy "leftovers" from Man City, Chelski, Barca, Real Madrid, etc.?

Re: Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?
Posted by: mapleleafgooner (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2023 12:11

Edu does not have a good scouting network outside of Brazil. I remember Silent Stan decided to cut cost a few years ago by reducing Arsenal's scouting network. And Edu's predecessor decided to rely on agents to do the scouting. That is why we are now envious of teams ike BHA for the talent they have unearthed. Data is good to have but a strong and wide scouting network is more important to find talent at affordable costs.

Re: Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?
Posted by: CazOnARola (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2023 20:07

Quote:
mapleleafgooner
Edu does not have a good scouting network outside of Brazil. I remember Silent Stan decided to cut cost a few years ago by reducing Arsenal's scouting network. And Edu's predecessor decided to rely on agents to do the scouting. That is why we are now envious of teams ike BHA for the talent they have unearthed. Data is good to have but a strong and wide scouting network is more important to find talent at affordable costs.

Re: Can Arteta Use the Data to Take Arsenal To the Top?
Posted by: weedz (IP Logged)
Date: 22/06/2023 23:40

I reckon that the data is an important part of our transfer business, but not as important as our scouting setup, which is not as important as our financial power.

We could debate the pros and cons of our transfer setup until the cows come home, but we should all know by now that it’s the money that talks in todays market and we are historically frugal, when money needs to be spent.
Some are content with what SS has spent since his completing full ownership of Afc, but they forget SS spent next to no money, the 1st 10yrs he had a major interest in us and while we’ve been quite successful in the transfer market, the boat has never been pushed out to any great extent, by our owners.
Why can’t we spend over £100m on a player our manager really wants?
The Fair Play argument doesn’t seem to hold water.
From management down, our club has bought through cost saving players from our academy. Four of them in our 1st team setup atm. Saka, Nelson, ESR and Nketiah.
That’s a very high percentage for a top6 epl club and yet our ownership haven’t yet pushed that boat when the time has come to us needing investment.

You’re not seeing the full picture Weedz.
We have been loosing money year after year and the Fair play thingy can come back to bite us on the Arsenal.
Our owner bought us as an investment, not as a bottomless pit, to throw away his hard earned money into.
No more than 4 weeks ago SS stated that Afc must move back to a self-sustaining unit, as soon as possible. He has a huge build to be made in Southern California and he’s fronting 95% of the multi billion dollar build cost.
And there are always other options as far as buying in players.
The data proves this.

Take your pick.

Since the end of WW1, 1919, when the FA restarted its 4 tier football league, with Arsenal fc in the 1st div, there’s only ever been one club to have never been relegated from Div 1/ EPL.

Arsenal fc

Let’s keep making history

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