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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:07:18:18:29:27 by Deadly Submarine.

Good to see that the squad is filling up and that Les is looking for a more established striker as well. Cant wait for the season to start now!!

its a bit of a worry hes never played professional football lets hope hes not anothr kithson bain, maybe he could turn out ok time will tell.

This is what we want, give the lad a chance, it sounds like he's started scoring goals already, just hope Les plays him.

From the brief part I saw of him at Chester he certainly has potential and I think he could be a very good player if partnered up front with someone as opposed to alone.

les will play him on the wing.

why cant les play this.

Akins ? Dantes Robbo

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good signing shrewsbury arent a soft side, they dont let in alot of goals so for him to get goals he has done very well

didn't no he scored against shrewsbury.

If signed, I've no doubt Les will sit him on the bench and let him with 10 minutes to go.

Did a bit of digging re this guy and came across this - [www.apu.edu]

gloss white

Didn't get into the game much against Chester (not through any fault of his own) but as Mikey said he did look decent when he had the ball and has had certain people at the Club raving about him.

Too soon to tell. Over the years there have often been trialist that sounded o.k and nothing came of it. Parry is right in his caution.Scoring in a behind closed door practice may be reason to look at the player. But surely it is premature for some posters to be already writing him in to a starting 11.Every year we have youngsters who catch the eye pre season and then do not feature again at first team level

We need some additional players of experience before the season starts.Dantos is something in addition,worth possibly the risk of a contract but not yet someone that we can count as an asset

another kithson bain???

Just the sort of player we should be looking at. I have lived in California myself. I know the standard of collage level is very good football. So this is the type of player we should gamble on. He will cost penny's and could make us dollars. We should try find a gem every season. You will not find one every time but we will find one in the end..................

Every ball is a white ball............TRFC

will he get a permit though?

Dantas wasn't playing against chester.

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Kop Man Mike
Dantas wasn't playing against chester.

He played second half at Chester.

Media reports suggest Dantas did play against Chester.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

he was under the name of arnaldo against chester

thanks glos white.the website www.apu.edu then enter soccer and he is under the name vinicius dantas.a regular goalscorer at college level and these guys trainhard but we will see if he gets a work permit and step up to l1.i wonder what the terms of his contract are

if he got permit for america surley he will get one here fine, also if kithson bain got one he will

you would think jade that he would not have a problem.the fact that kithson was an u23 and full grenadian international could have helped him but who knows the workings of the permit person.his mother could have been portugeuse and maybe entitled to a european passport.im sure rovers would have checked

I may be wrong here, but the fact that Bain got a work permit and then hardly played for us might actually hinder us in trying to get this lad a permit.

Reading the title of this thread I was expecting to see a photograph of Rover the dog in swim wear.

ok didn't no he was under the arnoldo name.

I think he should be played in the rest of the friendlies, just so we can see what he can do before the start of the new campaign.

Wouldn't be fair to sit him on the bench and put him under increased pressure by expecting him to come on and work miracles when were chasing a game.

He sounds really good and his c.v makes good reading?

Hopefully this will turn out to be a great signing,however, he's on a 12 month contract and could be poached if he's any good.

I agree we need another established goal scorer, but unless were prepared to shell out a bit of money, we probably wont be able to sign anyone of decent quality.

We've got to see what this kid can do, and hopefully he'll come good for us?

says on bbc website he scored 15 goals and 9 assists last year? thats impressive, however, someone got more goals and more assist than that.

Les if you're watching, get the guy who beat him on a trial too, put them both up front and we'll be cooking on gas! lol

That would be good!

Glad to see les said we will still be going for someone more established otherwise it would have been too big a risk.

Hopefully the work permit is granted, which is by no means guranteed, and this lad can adapt and be a surprise package.

I hope Rovers and Vinni Dantas can get a work permit with the same ease other teams manage to get for their oversea`s players
in particular those players that adorn the premiership these days I know that rules are rules but some times these obstacles
seem to be smaller or non existence for our shall we say richer or high profile teams in the top tier if M****ester U**t** or
Ars***l or any of them were to apply it most likely go smoothly
and would be issued with out any blip but with us being in the third tier I wonder how long this will take with out any objections to surmount. Of course I could be wrong and it will be passed O.K but sometimes there`s all ways a niggling doubt
that we do not have the pull or muscles to progress this to a happy conclusion

Be good if we had a 12 month option to extend too, in case he is good enough

les said in paper he doesnt expect to be ready for 6th of augest because there are only certian times you can produce the forms or something

Could be good, however what will he be like on a cold Tuesday evening in February at Huddersfield?

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Could be good, however what will he be like on a cold Tuesday evening in February at Huddersfield?

It`s not Huddersfield he would have to worry about, it`s the other place that is the coldestand that`s Oldham and you can not stand still watching a game there

Oldham is always so cold every time.................

Every ball is a white ball............TRFC

Well Slough Town had a guy from Malawi once, Curzon Ashton had that guy James Agoo who played for the Gambia and scored in the cup 2 years ago.

Luton signed 2 Czech players last season, one was an under 21 and I'm 99.9% certain the Czech republic is not an EU country.

Dereka Asamoah, apparently only played 4 times for Ghana, but played in England for several years and of course players like Calvin Zola and Rodney Jack got permits and some of them have had few internationals.

Hopefully Dantas wil be good to go.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Rovers just have to submit the application
being in usa hasno bearing on his application as he went on a student visa
typically stars from other countries outside eu would have to play for national team etc
otherwise aleague club can submit application and plead their case with the players relevant experience-helpful if he played for brasil but may look at l1 expectations
there is a panel if the permit is refused-once only
the rules can change at any time and it could a case by case basis
helpful if his family are originally from eu -say maybe portugeuse[brasilian]
Personally I would think they better have good reason if application declined as i would shout discrimination>Especially as Les has been unable to find an equal quality player at the right price with potential!!

The rule as I knew it, used to be a player had to play 70% of his clubs matches.

Then it was play 70% of the national teams last 16 games.

Now by what you said, it appears things have changed again, so it does add a measure of uncertainty it would seem, but hopefully the Dantas deal will be able to finalise in full.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

See the answer to the question could Vinni play in friendlies has been answered in the Wirral News that`s is not allowed to play in public until work permit has been granted mean while the process for his application goes on plus another reason why he can not play apart from the above ruling is that he is back in Brazil sorting out his Visa(Wirral News).

Its good the hearing is aug1.I am assuming trfc looked into legal side and are confident before offering 1 yr deal.I suspect there is an order that trfc must follow and contributes to their cards been close to their chests

He wasn't in Brazil yesterday! He was at PP!

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He wasn't in Brazil yesterday! He was at PP!

Must have a quick plane

wasnt in brazil today either

Then again, if this was in the Wirral News its hardly a surprise its wrong. Local coverage of our team is absolutely shocking, can understand it a little more from the likes of the Echo but the Wirral papers are just awful!

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Mikey
Then again, if this was in the Wirral News its hardly a surprise its wrong. Local coverage of our team is absolutely shocking, can understand it a little more from the likes of the Echo but the Wirral papers are just awful!

It`s also into nights Echo ref Vinni returning to Brazil to start the application for his Visa.

well the fact is he isnt he may have sent his agent

If that's the case, I just hope the agent doesn't do something stupid and go and get a fake one, because if anything like that happens and Tranmere get found out, it won't be their potential to sign non-EU players that could be in jeopardy, they might not even be allowed to sign Colonel Gadaffi's cleaner .

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

TRFC site says he is going back to Brazil to be fair, just I know he was still at PP on Thursday! Must go this week!

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I hope Rovers and Vinni Dantas can get a work permit with the same ease other teams manage to get for their oversea`s players
in particular those players that adorn the premiership these days I know that rules are rules but some times these obstacles
seem to be smaller or non existence for our shall we say richer or high profile teams in the top tier if M****ester U**t** or
Ars***l or any of them were to apply it most likely go smoothly
and would be issued with out any blip but with us being in the third tier I wonder how long this will take with out any objections to surmount. Of course I could be wrong and it will be passed O.K but sometimes there`s all ways a niggling doubt
that we do not have the pull or muscles to progress this to a happy conclusion

Now there`s a surprise no work permit for Dantas so no Brazilian magic still makes you wonderif it had been Ma**hester U**t** or Ars***l or Liv**p*** or any in the higher profile position would the result go the same way seems I got this prediction right just can not do the same with the lottery numbers so come on Les we still need that extra striker.

We should appeal and get a loan striker in for the moment
I guess this still means 2 championship players + raven or is that not happening either

Liverpool and clubs like that would sign players of a more proven calibre, from traditional footballing backgrounds.

Dantas's background included college football and futsal, which theoretically might have had some bearing on things.

Maybe if he'd played for a team like Santos or Palmerias reserves 30+ times, maybe it would have made more of a difference.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

i dont think trfc would be after players with experience from palmeiros or santos and able to get them.
It would be from lower brazilian league despite his success at college level ie youth and excelling at it.
Matt this is the worry that the fa or whoever never gave this a chance
Has any one ever played beach soccer.I was screaming to be keeper from minute one.It is tough and if you are good at it,the fitness,skill and reaction time is second to none.
Maybe trfc naive enough to thimk that they would get a fair hearing.As another post said how do the big clubs get their 'youth equivalent' a work permit.
Maybe rovers should ask lfc or their lawyers how its done and appeal

Well I did refer to the reserve teams of those clubs, not the first teams, but it could have been referenced in relation to Brazilian second and thrid division teams.

Tranmnere could appeal, but if it is going to involve any cost at all, then that's not in the clubs interests, because then club representatitves have to potentially pay to travel and stay in London I would presume, plus lawyers as well.

It's only one player and much as thogh he could have been possibly a solid acquisition, the clun is better focusing its energies on the remainder of player recruitment and setting themselves on final preparations for the forthcoming seasons start.

There might have bene a vague point to appealing if this had occured 3 weeks ago, assuming an appeal could have been resolved before the seasons start, but in reality it's not worth it.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

I dont think cost is the big one if dantas is already in the country and trfc have already paid out for the investment a little more would not hurt as les is gutted.the lawyers underperformed and should ribht the wrong.after all the hype and interest fir the fans the fa should be accountable and not prejudice trfc.
Matt we can always have a loan striker as les said it was available so urgency less of an issue
Now if les or the fans werent bothered I see your point and maybe just cut out the tape and sign the foreigner musiuk if that is acceptable to the fa
Maybe they can help pick les s team as well

It seems that according to Les on radio Merseyside it was the PFA(footballer`s union)that put most if not all of the blocks on the work permit for Dantas some of the reasons being that he was not a proven player he was only young and why should Tranmere try to bring him in when there were over six hundred plus players of all ages out of contract and looking for clubs
perhaps a few years ago he might have been granted a permit
but with the financial situation with in football and all them players out of contracts not saying that the reason given was right but from the PFA point of view I can see the logic behind it.
But from our end of the argument it did not do Tranmere any good nor did it do Dantas any favours and the cost of appealing(if any such route was available)would be costly and time consuming.
So we may have to let this one go but I shall keep my eyes and ears open to see if in the future Vinni Dantas signs for any one else and ends hitting the headlines with his scoring ability and what might have been for us.

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BELMONT
It seems that according to Les on radio Merseyside it was the PFA(footballer`s union)that put most if not all of the blocks on the work permit for Dantas some of the reasons being that he was not a proven player he was only young and why should Tranmere try to bring him in when there were over six hundred plus players of all ages out of contract and looking for clubs
perhaps a few years ago he might have been granted a permit
but with the financial situation with in football and all them players out of contracts not saying that the reason given was right but from the PFA point of view I can see the logic behind it.
But from our end of the argument it did not do Tranmere any good nor did it do Dantas any favours and the cost of appealing(if any such route was available)would be costly and time consuming.
So we may have to let this one go but I shall keep my eyes and ears open to see if in the future Vinni Dantas signs for any one else and ends hitting the headlines with his scoring ability and what might have been for us.

Since when have a union had any right to make this sort of decision? They are not legally empowered to do so. That sounds a load of bobbins to me.If that is the case then NO other team should be allowed to sign up a young player from outside the EU-you know that won't happen.

There's no logic behind it at all because if these six hundred plus players were good enough or didn't asked for ludicrous amounts of money,then they would have been signed up.

i thought it was the fa not the pfa that said no

Does that mean no one in this country can sign him?
What if we asked a favour of Liverpool what with John mcMahon and all and get them to sign him and then loan him to us?

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Hoots Mon
if these six hundred plus players were good enough or didn't asked for ludicrous amounts of money,then they would have been signed up.

Logic dictates you're not going to have every single player looking for a chance and getting it, but it doesn't mean all of the ones out of contract are all greedy money grabbers, or players with an attitude that are hard to work with.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

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Hoots Mon
if these six hundred plus players were good enough or didn't asked for ludicrous amounts of money,then they would have been signed up.

Logic dictates you're not going to have every single player looking for a chance and getting it, but it doesn't mean all of the ones out of contract are all greedy money grabbers, or players with an attitude that are hard to work with.

I didn't use any of the words 'all'[apart from at all] or 'every single' or say that they had an 'attitude that are hard to work with'.

Okay, you didn't state the attitude of players true enough, however your post might have been clarified better like this.

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Hoots Mon
if "some of" these six hundred plus players were good enough or didn't asked for ludicrous amounts of money, then they would have been signed up.

Or like this.

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Hoots Mon
if these six hundred plus players were good enough or didn't asked for ludicrous amounts of money,"to use just a couple of potential reasons", then they would have been signed up.

Then it wouldn't have looked like you were stating two and only two reasons for all players struggling for deals.

Bearing in mind things like injuries, attitude problems, clubs offloading to save money when they're struggling, or to avoid breaching a salary cap and players moving closer to family, but in doing so restricting their chances of a deal, could all be reasons for not getting signed, as opposed to just being greedy or not good enough.

Just my interpretation, not being picky, but it just looked like you were labelling every out of contract player as poor or effectively greedy.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Well my interpretation was that it looked like it was raining when I got up this morning but I might have been being picky as it's now dry.