Tranmere Rovers v Bournemouth Match Discussion

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:10:03:21:56:55 by Deadly Submarine.

A game we need to be winning against a team who is likely to struggle this season although they have won their lat two away games i espect a home win 1 0

any sign of BMB ? not heard from her for ages !
We'll win this one 4 - 0

Yes she is coming up for the game tomorrow

I've backed us to win 2-0 and 2-1, Baxter first goal, at 60/1 and 50/1 today. Come on Rovers

Said it all summer and it is obvious, we have not got a clue up front. No creativity, no one to finish anything off. How many crosses went in with nobody there? I thought the whole point of this formation was for midfielders to make runs? Well that didn't happen today.

We just do not score enough goals, I have been stressing that until we address that we are not going to progress and may struggle, and I think that is evident after Yeovil and today. When teams come here and the onus is on us to break them down, it is painful to watch.

Annoyed with Les today. He left it late to change things, and in my opinion still has no plan B. He said we are lucky that we don't have to rush Robbo and Devaney back because Akins and Mcgurk are in great form. Well I will give you Akins, Mcgurk was poor again, and has been for a while.

Getting slightly anxious now. We are so toothless up front it us unreal. Les needs to learn to change formations from time to time, especially at home. Not good. We need Robbo back so much.

It was McGurk who was putting in the quality crosses today. Just no one anywhere near the 6 yd box to put them in. He did lose the ball quite a bit at times and is probably a striker rather than a winger but he gives 100%. Akins is our best performer by miles at the moment and Baxter is not the answer to our prayers either

well pleased with clean sheet and the lads going till the final whistle ! decent team to face ! may be we should have got the three ! but I'm not too down about it, tho a bit more heart may have been good ! b interesting to see who plays instead of Walsh on tuesday, not many the ohter night for the reserves looking for first team footy ! bar may b Will V and Max

Does Welsh's suspension count for Accrington then or does that not count because its not a league game?

Bit annoyed really, Bournemouth are a team we should be beating with ease. We have a fairly decent squad for this league. Les left it far too late to change things around, this formation isnt working, our strikers are not goal scorers. Enoch has lost his game, Akins will never be a goal scorer, put mcgurk up front and robbo on wing. Drop weir/welsh, and bring a decent mid who can pass the ball. Les needs to be more vocal.

Les wouldn't kknow what to say.

dont think we to get so down hearted bournemouth are a decent side, looked like we were the team pushing for a goal, agree a goalscorer would make us a top 10 side easily this year, but with the players we have too come back i think we will have a good season. thought buchanan and akins were our best by a mile today.

McGurk was awful again today. I lost count of the number of times he gave the ball away!

However he wasn't the only one and Weir was also poor as was Enoch and to some extent Welsh (specially his corners).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:10:01:19:57:29 by Deadly Submarine.

Sorry apart from the last ten minutes at the end of the game were with a touch of luck we might have nicked it we hit the post had one or two cleared off the line by players saving on the line or just getting in the way but over the first eighty
minutes we had no ideas hoof ball came back into play which resulted with Bournemouth regaining the ball every time sorry Les you stated you wanted Fortress Prenton Park back and for us to play good attacking football resulting the slow increase in the gates well again what was served up today was not good and since the start of the season we(those who pay to watch)have been saying find some one who can score we are like a headless
chicken in the box it was going no were in the second half like the first could have put Tiryaki in earlier along side Enoch and tried that out with both of them leading the attack down the middle and get the balls into the box for them to pick up ok it might have failed but it could have resulted in a goal or two we should be winning these games looks like our
poor failings in the goal scoring dept will cost us in the long run a will result in us dropping down the pecking order in the league,Les get it sorted and quick(are Muiry and Aldo free give the pair a zimmer each and put them in the box around the far post and perhaps they can poach the odd goal)

side note wish that at the end of the match we would play somethinbg more upbeat instead of that dirge of a tune ! awful ! only realy noticed today but its rubbish !

Why didn't ClueLESs just play the team we saw at Preston? They would have won at a canter. What about the Ref. He didn't make one important decision all the game. The one with Akins racing into the box in the second half was a hundred times more a penalty than the one Fatboy got last week. Apart from being caught in possession alot why does John Welsh insist on hitting 40 yards passes all the time. We just aren't that good. His dead ball usage left a lot to be desired as well. It's the same with OFW, why just hoof it forward? Enoch didn't win a ball all afternoon. I so enjoyed seeing Warner actually throw the ball out wide and try and build an attack playing passing football last season.. I suppose last season we would have lost a game like this, so we should think it is a point gained.

We did play the team that lost at Preston?

failure to beat out of form teams echoes too many performances of last season. The reality is that if forwards are not scoring goals then points will be dropped.It will help when players return from injury but we do like strike power. There were high hopes for mc Gurk based on a couple of performances at the end of last season. He looks most potent when he is wide but there is no real evidence that he will score goals.Tiryaki shows the problems of judging aplayer on pre season games. On the other hand i can see why you take a punt on the type of signing but looks raw and i am not sure that he will be much more than what he is now.

With a someone who can score goals (even on form Showi has never been prolific) we could be a sound side. As it is we will drop easy points. It is more a matter of how often that will determine if we are to slip further down the table.

The one thing i do not go with is blaming refereee decisions on a one game basis decisions can change a result but overall what a team does and not what a referee does is the major factor on points and position

I was thoroughly disappointed after yesterdays game because of our inability to put away the chances we created. Enoch has to be benched, he's not cutting it and we have to give Muzzy a go because Enoch is hopeless.

I thought after he scored the other week he would kick on from that because that's what happened last season. I really think his head has been turned, he looks like he doesn't want to be there so in my opinion, let him warm the bench and give someone else a go. We have to do something different because it's not working.

Get some balls Les, drop showumni and give muzzy games to prove his worth.

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failure to beat out of form teams echoes too many performances of last season. The reality is that if forwards are not scoring goals then points will be dropped.It will help when players return from injury but we do like strike power. There were high hopes for mc Gurk based on a couple of performances at the end of last season. He looks most potent when he is wide but there is no real evidence that he will score goals.Tiryaki shows the problems of judging aplayer on pre season games. On the other hand i can see why you take a punt on the type of signing but looks raw and i am not sure that he will be much more than what he is now.
With a someone who can score goals (even on form Showi has never been prolific) we could be a sound side. As it is we will drop easy points. It is more a matter of how often that will determine if we are to slip further down the table.

The one thing i do not go with is blaming refereee decisions on a one game basis decisions can change a result but overall what a team does and not what a referee does is the major factor on points and position

"out of form teams" comoing in to this match, previouse three games they had won 2 lost one ! were as we had won one and lost TWO !

Very disappointing game. The subs (ZB and MT) should have come on much earlier it was only then we seemed to be up for the win. Changes needed for next week or we will be stuffed by Charlton and that would not go down well following my annual chinese before the match. Would suggest that LA should be down the middle replacing ES and ZB on the left replacing AM. JL to start with RW on the right in place of LA and of course IG to be given free reign to play where ever he likes - is he really 39 years of age (plays with the passion of a teenager !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). Come on lads, we need a super human effort like the game we had at Preston with a reverse scoreline.

I don't agree with the comment about Baxter. If it wasn't for the woeful penalty decision agaisnt Preston, Baxter would have earned the team a point.

They guy is not someone with a at least 40-50 career games under his belt and this is his first loan spell and he's not getting long to impress, with just a month, so it will be difficult for him to do a lot to impress.

Given a good 3 month loan spell with no injuries he could prove to be a valuable asset, but the fact is as well, he's the 4th choice replacement for Robinson behind Wallace, Donaldson and that other guy they tried to procure before the Carlisle game, whoever he was.

I'd suggest Les tries bumping him up into the front position for the Accrington game, seeing as he's rumoured to be a striker and put Tiryaki in behind him, to give Tiryaki space to run, then slot Power in the middle with Labadie.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Les doesn't help himself does he. Saying in his after match press conference "our finishing today was as bad as it has been in training", then laughing. Nice to hear that, good job I am paying for it.

well atleast he knows its a problem and isnt making excuses he is being honest we had the chances maybe to halfway decent penelty shouts.

mcgurk was shocking, weir should have been brought off for mustpha i fort and gone 442 just my opinion.

akins was amazing once again i said in summer give him a chance and he is showing he was worth the extra year.

ash had a solid game at the back.

just think if mcqurk plays how he did begining of the season results will change think possibly need to get devaney back in team to put a rocket up his hoop

and i was a bit disapointed with some fans shouting for les head felt that was un called for

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Les doesn't help himself does he. Saying in his after match press conference "our finishing today was as bad as it has been in training", then laughing. Nice to hear that, good job I am paying for it.

Says it as it is ! total respect for him

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well atleast he knows its a problem and isnt making excuses he is being honest we had the chances maybe to halfway decent penelty shouts.
mcgurk was shocking, weir should have been brought off for mustpha i fort and gone 442 just my opinion.

akins was amazing once again i said in summer give him a chance and he is showing he was worth the extra year.

ash had a solid game at the back.

just think if mcqurk plays how he did begining of the season results will change think possibly need to get devaney back in team to put a rocket up his hoop

and i was a bit disapointed with some fans shouting for les head felt that was un called for

I don't get this McGurk was shocking rubbish that's been on here.

Sitting right in front of him in the BR, he looked the best of our forwards. Looked the only one with any real quality (Akins is just a runner who gets by on work rate and that's not a knock after McGurk he was the next best (or least worst) of the forwards) and certainly the only player in the team capable of delivering a decent cross. Not got much in the way of pace but could beat a man enough to at least get the cross in.

Baxter was a real dissapointment - barely noticed him in the second half and showed no real interest. Opposite of Donaldson last time who is probably an inferior player but showed genuine enthausiasm.

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weir should have been brought off for mustpha i fort and gone 442 just my opinion.

Not meaning to be picky but christ almighty difficult to take anyone seriously who can't spell thought.

Anyway ... all very well saying bring on mustpha but assuming you mean our Turkish (ish) forward by all accounts he's not looking League class at the moment so not sure what good that would do.

There seems to be a deluded element of our support .. who seem to think a change to 442 will solve everything. It wont. Maybe if you use a runner like Akins as one of the two who would track back for a 442 with Enoch and Mustapha sounds like a complete disaster.

am not saying it will change anything but would hae made us have the extra striker on the pitch. he wont look league level if he doesnt get the chance when he get brought on with 20 mins like at sheff utd game he caused problem he cant do that in 7mins he int going to change a game in that period of time

Everyone has their ideas and say Les should do this and Les should do that, however he is clueless ands is incapable of any sort of plan.

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Everyone has their ideas and say Les should do this and Les should do that, however he is clueless ands is incapable of any sort of plan.

Based on resources, Tranmere are over-achieving so that's a pretty clueless sort of thing to say yourself.

Based on the squad we have we could/should be winning games like Saturday though.

As for McGurk, he was better in the second half (slightly) but in the first half he was abysmal, kept on losing the ball FAR to much.

That's our biggest problem, we don't retain the ball thus invite pressure onto ourselves constantly.

we were poor against a team who will struggle this season they passed it well but looked as toothless as us up front as we did.

we were fairly solid at the back though the ball was launched forward too much instead of try pass it round. Weir was anonymous welsh on set pieces again was poor baxter was ok when got posession akins tries hard but lacks quality mcgurk was very poor and enoch continues to struggle.

need to change tactics and formation at home and the lack of goals is alarming

So he is using these resources effectively and properly is he? Most of us can see what is wrong, who is playing out of position, the tactics, the lack of a game plan, the players who should be dropped until they improve. A great many people think that, so they are all clueless as well?

The players who are supposedly to come in for these 'dropped players' are hardly doing themselves any favours either though as people who watched the Reserves on Wednesday will testify so it's all very well calling for players to be dropped just like that!

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So he is using these resources effectively and properly is he? Most of us can see what is wrong, who is playing out of position, the tactics, the lack of a game plan, the players who should be dropped until they improve. A great many people think that, so they are all clueless as well?

Agree with your thoughts.
Take the long ball everyone complains of.
Parry..."" I don't want to see you do that again " or,
"get rid of it"

Based on quite a few comments on here............................... well nothing's changed.

Assuming 4-4-2 is not a perceived answer, what could be done?

Personally I think he could try with 5-3-2.

Enoch, McGurk (Strike)

Labadie, Welsh, Weir (Middle)

Buchanan, Raven (Wing Backs)

Bakayogo, Goodison, Taylor (Defense)

When injured player come back, put McChrystal inbetween Goodison and Taylor and then Bakayogo on the bench.

Then replace Labadie with Devaney and Weir with Robbo and leave Welsh in the middle.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

When Devaney and Robbo are back his system is ok, however I think the 3-5-2 could work at the moment.

les for some reason doesnt want to play two men up front

One possible reason is the length of contracts. If you had 2 players on a 4-5 year deal you could build a long lasting Partnership. If you try ot build one with two players and one leaves at the end of the season, you thne get the other guy trying to establish themselves with someone else, who might disrupt the established players game.

Playing one upfront, means the one upfront will either struggle or succeed, if he struggles then consider replacing him, but at least you know the problem, as opposed to having two strikers struggling and possibly wondering who's affecting who?

However Tranmere should be looking at the two man strategy right now as it would benefit.

The system used at the moment, definitely works better with the two solid experienced guys in it who are out right now, though whether the players replacing them, simply can't fit in with the system, or are just lacking in the qualities of the injured players, I'm not too sure.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

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Sorry apart from the last ten minutes at the end of the game were with a touch of luck we might have nicked it we hit the post had one or two cleared off the line by players saving on the line or just getting in the way but over the first eighty
minutes we had no ideas hoof ball came back into play which resulted with Bournemouth regaining the ball every time sorry Les you stated you wanted Fortress Prenton Park back and for us to play good attacking football resulting the slow increase in the gates well again what was served up today was not good and since the start of the season we(those who pay to watch)have been saying find some one who can score we are like a headless
chicken in the box it was going no were in the second half like the first could have put Tiryaki in earlier along side Enoch and tried that out with both of them leading the attack down the middle and get the balls into the box for them to pick up ok it might have failed but it could have resulted in a goal or two we should be winning these games looks like our
poor failings in the goal scoring dept will cost us in the long run a will result in us dropping down the pecking order in the league,Les get it sorted and quick(are Muiry and Aldo free give the pair a zimmer each and put them in the box around the far post and perhaps they can poach the odd goal)

It seems that our poor failings in the goal scoring dating back to this quote of mine on the 1st Oct 2011 has indeed resulted in us dropping down the pecking order in the league
since that date this prophesy or predication of mine was one that I did not want to come true and I hoped Les could have found some one to come to prove me wrong but he failed to find that goal scorer for what ever reason. At the time when we were winning games it was only by the odd goal but that run was not going to last as other teams got wise and would counter Les`s game plan. They would score one perhaps two and then shut up shop knowing full well our attack was blunt as their was no predator strike force in our line up and as our next four games line up Preston/Carlisle/Charlton/Oldham results from those games will be hard to get and results like yesterday at Wycombe that should have resulted with a point
at least and on paper a win at best and we would have had a small cushion of three extra points on the table to at least counter any poor result coming out of the next four games it is going to be a hard run in till the end of the season.

That's when unfortunate results like Bournemouth and Yeovil hurt worse, as Tranmere would be 16 points off the drop now, with a bit of deserved luck in both games.

McGurk seems to be getting some form now, so hopefully that continues as they need someone to step up and get goals.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.