Rochdale v Tranmere Rovers Match Discussion

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:03:24:08:44:09 by Deadly Submarine.

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be happy with a point, they may ground us and put us in our place !!

This is much more of a test for Moore than Sheff Utd was because nobody expected us to get anything from there and he had nothing to lose.Today is more like a six pointer.

With the new found confidence the minimum we should achieve
is a draw.......1 - 1 my prediction

0-3
Enoch and Brunt are going to find their shooting boots and Robbo and Akins are gonna tear them apart down the flanks.

Think we will sneak it 1-0.

So far so good 1-0 Rovers HT

well done Jake !

Great result 2-0 win it`s did not do my 1-1 prediction result any good but what the hell do not mind getting it wrong that way. SUPER WHITE ARMY here`s to a win on SATURDAY.

Fantastic! may be getting ahead of myself but can't wait to get Survival guarenteed and the promotion season next year! OOHHHH ROONNNIEEE MOOOREEE!

Another excellant result and we are now scoring goals as well cant wait for saturdays game now.

Just think 3 extra wins and 1 extra draw out of that bad run were we only had 1 win in 18/19 league games we would now have 55pts two points behind sixth place if only Ronnie had arrived earlier or Les had changed his tactics a long time ago,still it was not to be but at least now Ronnie`s getting them back on track a win on Saturday 3-0 plus would be great if only to get goal difference on zero or in the plus area SUPER WHITE ARMY
ONWARDS AND UPWARDS

Thought we outclassed them tonight. Apart from 20 minutes in the second half we beat them to every ball and competed for everything.

Cassidy took his goal superbly and looks a real prospect . Hope we keep him to the end if the season. Good strike by Wallace too.

Playoffs are still mathematically possible......

Cracking result. 11 points from 15, 3 goals conceded, 8 scored, +5 goal difference and if results go Tranmere's way on Saturday, 5 league places on offer.

Back up to 7 points clear now.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

was the best I have seen us play in a long time for the first half. On the back foot from the start of the second half but the second goal killed them off. They had three good shots that just went over the bar. Come on the rovers the pride is back......

Every ball is a white ball............TRFC

Thought we played really, really well tonight!

The better team by far and apart from a few long range shots Rochdale never threatened. They were extremely sloppy with the ball whereas we played some decent footy.

MOTM could go to anyone of Holmes, Robbo or Wallace who were all superb.

Also gotta mention Cassidy, great strike and his second goal was never offside!

Unable to go, but it sounds like the lads played good football, though it does seem strange that the system has allowed us to win by 2 goals scored by players who are not really Tranmere players and who will not be in the side next season. Well done but does give a bit of a false representation as far as how good we really are, would a side made up of Tranmere players have won so convincingly I wonder.
Anyway, we should stay up and for now that's what's most important I suppose.

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Unable to go, but it sounds like the lads played good football, though it does seem strange that the system has allowed us to win by 2 goals scored by players who are not really Tranmere players and who will not be in the side next season. Well done but does give a bit of a false representation as far as how good we really are, would a side made up of Tranmere players have won so convincingly I wonder.
Anyway, we should stay up and for now that's what's most important I suppose.

It's the way of the world.Its not what you know it's who you know and if TRFC can get some better loan players than the Oppo then I am all for it.
Just don't go round kissing badges,that's reserved for the true stalwarts of the club.
A good stuffing of Exeter on Saturday and well on the way to
mid table safety and a review of what we can do next season.

Yeah I suppose it is, but we are not getting a true picture of how good a rovers team will be under RM for next season. and PJ surely needs to judge how successful he is with the original squad. I think what I'm really trying to say is we will escape relegation partly due to having Everton players in the team and as a result RM will automatically remain as Manager.
Something which I personally don't want to happen.

If we stay up easily with these players PJ will have to give the job to RM permanently on results alone,rather than take stock and consider others who may be interested in the job.

I am was delighted about the result last night. It was a big game and we played well, seemingly without pressure.

I understand the concerns about loan players but for now I just want to focus on staying up, and continuing this good run. There are many out of contract players in the summer and the new manager, whether it is RM or someone else, will have big decisions to make.

It is amazing what a different system and a bit of belief has done for these players so far.

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Yeah I suppose it is, but we are not getting a true picture of how good a rovers team will be under RM for next season. and PJ surely needs to judge how successful he is with the original squad. I think what I'm really trying to say is we will escape relegation partly due to having Everton players in the team and as a result RM will automatically remain as Manager.
Something which I personally don't want to happen.

What about players who's contracts are up at the end of the season? Or the one's who might end up being sold? Should Ronnie be leaving them on the bench because of the possibility they may not be here next season?

What about the the opportunity the manager (Ronnie or whoever else) will have when the transfer window opens in the summer to bring their own players in? Maybe Everton, West Brom or Wolves might be looking to sell at the end of the season.

The target this season is to stay in League 1 and personally I don't care who the players belong to if we're winning games. Any talk regarding "the original squad" is nonsense because there's no way we'll have the exact same team by the time the transfer window closes in the summer.

Unfortunately, stupid responses about leaving people on the bench does not answer the obvious point I was trying to make. Just in case I was not clear. I want us to do well, of course, but don't particularly want RM as manager next season, but a string of good results due to goals scored by players who play for EVERTON not Tranmere is likely to put PJ in the position of having to keep RM on as it will seem the fair thing thing to do.
I know its the way it is, I was simply making a point of FACT.
I want PJ to tout the job for a few weeks and see who's really interested as I personally (only my opinion) don't think RM is the right man for the job longer term.

I really don't get this point about loan players.

They're playing for TRFC, for RM, and are part of OUR team. You say Wallace/Brunt, as loan signings, won't be here next season, but as half of our team are out of contract and some will almost certainly leave then why are we picking out the loan players here?

If RM has an idea of who he isn't going to offer a contract to next season should we not play them or the loan signings at all? I'm confused.

Les signed Wallace and Brunt, Ronnie extended them, RM also signed Shotton (a massive part of the 08/09 team) which proves he can also find decent loan players too! I don't get the point being made here?

Loan players are a part of lower league football nowadays. You can almost guarentee we'll use at least 5 next season regardless of whether RM is manager or not. Sadly that's how lower league football is going now.

Don't think you can hold it against any manager for using loan players though you could of course judge how good/effectively he uses the loan market.





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:03:21:16:31:25 by Mikey.

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ste24yearsafan
Unfortunately, stupid responses about leaving people on the bench does not answer the obvious point I was trying to make. Just in case I was not clear. I want us to do well, of course, but don't particularly want RM as manager next season, but a string of good results due to goals scored by players who play for EVERTON not Tranmere is likely to put PJ in the position of having to keep RM on as it will seem the fair thing thing to do.
I know its the way it is, I was simply making a point of FACT.
I want PJ to tout the job for a few weeks and see who's really interested as I personally (only my opinion) don't think RM is the right man for the job longer term.

Still don't get your point regarding loan players. Despite that fact that they'll probably be returning to other teams at the end of season, at the moment they play for Tranmere.

I'm sure PJ will make his decision whether or not Ronnie stays based on how we perform from when he was appointed to the end of the season. If we finish in the top half, the fact that we have a few loanees who scored a couple of goals won't make it any less of an achievement in my opinion.

Maybe there are managers out there who would be more suited to the job (I won't bother asking you to name them) but with the current financial situation, are we really in a position to be taking risks when we got someone who (at the moment) is proving he can get results with the resources at hand?

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ste24yearsafan
Unfortunately, stupid responses about leaving people on the bench does not answer the obvious point I was trying to make. Just in case I was not clear. I want us to do well, of course, but don't particularly want RM as manager next season, but a string of good results due to goals scored by players who play for EVERTON not Tranmere is likely to put PJ in the position of having to keep RM on as it will seem the fair thing thing to do.
I know its the way it is, I was simply making a point of FACT.
I want PJ to tout the job for a few weeks and see who's really interested as I personally (only my opinion) don't think RM is the right man for the job longer term.

I agree with your last paragraph.

Yeah I think PJ should be bringing in someone like Moriniho, Benitez or Vilas Boas longer term.

if they pull on the Tranmere shirt ! then they are playing for Tranmere !

They are Tranmere players when they wear the shirt and are afiliated ot the club.

Plus, look at players like Kay, Weir and Labadie. Right now if there was any chance players like Wallace, Lateef, Cassidy, Baxter or Brunt, got released and came here like the other aforementioend playerrs did, becasue of previous knowledge and liking of the Tranmere setup, who would complain?

Whereas without the loans, they might still get released, leaving Tranmere with no advantage when trying to sign one of them, they possibly choose elsewhere and people are on here saying, look at so n so playing for team X, we apparently tried to get him, but didn't, isn't he great, wish he was one of our players.

If you look at players like Labadie, Weir and Kay, they might not be everyones idea of a superstar of tomorrow, but who can honestly say any of them are downright rubbish and not worthy of even £100 a week?

If good loans come to Rovers and help them team stay up, thne it's the manager good nouse to call clubs with good loan players and his nouse in when and how he uses them that helps the team. If Ronnie had played Cassidy and Wallace on the flanks it might have been 0-0.

Those players still help to keep you up, by being used properly and often enough to matter and if one does get relased in the summer, the appeal of Tranmere assuming Ronnie wanted a former loanee, could swing it for him over other prospective suitors.

Right now Ronnie is doing precious little wrong and he's getting good loan players that want to graft and respect the shirt and he's using them correctly, so why should his countless phone calls to clubs and outsourced and well utilised quality count against him in the long run if those elements combine with exisiting elements to create fan pleasing successful form?

His job in part is to source and correctly use, good external quality if needs be, so if he does it well like he is doing, judge fairly, if not judge less fairly, but staying up is the aim and players like Cassidy can always baulk the loan offered, but if theyr'e willing to wear your teams shirt and graft and help you stay up, possibly with a view to a more long term procurement arrangement at your club, good and if you let them graft the way they are capable of good.

Ultimately I'm not fussed about which players play their part in keeping the team up, or getting superb form, be it loans or homegrown, as long as they will give 100% frequently and hopefully use gamesmanship 0% of the time.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Maybe the real point is, this system of the lower league clubs continually getting players from others clubs on loan is a reflection of a system which is moving away from the traditional spirit in which club football Was historically meant to be. For me, I prefer a the old fashioned approach of being able to afford a squad of players who are committed to the club that they play for and have aspirations to remain with that club and be successful with them. Not the current way which seems to be dominated by players personal greed and money. I admire the likes of Goodison etc, who has remained a loyal servant, like the good old days. Maybe I'm just an old fart stuck in the past !

I hate the loan system, It doesn't help bringing your own youth through such as Max, Will and Cole for example.
How can these lads get experience when the manager can bring any player from anywhere in.
The clubs who can afford to abuse the system do so. the smaller clubs have to go cap in hand to get a youngster in, on unfair deals for the club.

Only season long loans should be allowed.
And maybe emergency keeper loans.

Anyhow, The EC is trying to get rid of it. I hope so!!

So do I. I am starting to wonder if I'm losing interest altogether I used to go home and away, but in recent years have not been away very much at all.

The football league has changed, and in my opinion not for the better.But its probably a reflection of western society, but hey don't get me on to politics that's not what this forum is for.

It was mentioned about out of contract players. Who do we have left supposing nobody re-signs?

I also dont like the loan system however as was previously said if James Wallace is released then would he choose us over Old ham say because he knew the set up?

Time to talk to the out of contract players now and see what we have left and make the decisions by the end of the season to put us in the best position to fill the gaps before 2012-2013 and not draft in the dregs come August.

FIFA and UEFA are saying that British clubs are abusing the emergency loan system because it is there just for that total emergencies. But clubs in the lower leagues are using emergency loans widely and it is built into budgets. They want to close the loophole so we might not see as many loans in a couple of years.

The whole loan issue just undermines the gap between rich and poor clubs now. Basically smaller clubs can no longer afford proper squads while richer clubs can afford huge squads with players who would never otherwise get a competitive game. Reluctantly support loans on that basis.

However loans are a good thing if you believe your younger players might not quite be ready or able to step up and it does help if you do get players that might choose you when released, because that helps you get players you know you could rely on, if they have previous.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.

Unfortunately the loan situation does create an unfair advantage to teams who get premier league youngsters who have no intention of staying at the club they are loaned to. This cannot be fair, and I am an advocate of fair play

Fair point, but how would anyone know if a higher level player had no intention of signing if released?

I mean if someone like Jake Cassidy was asked about being on loan, I doubt he'd say, I'm really happy to be here at Tranmere, (for now), or I'm happy at Tranmere, because it gives me a chance to prove I'll be worth a £12,000 a week deal, at a club like Leicester next season.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.