Match Discussion: Grimsby Town (H)
By Deadly Submarine
April 28 2016
A place for fans of both Tranmere Rovers and Grimsby Town to discuss Saturday evening's game at Prenton Park......

As Rovers prepare for Saturday's home game against Grimsby Town in the National League, our match discussion thread returns once again as Rovers look to achieve a play-off place on the final day of the season. Grimsby meanwhile will be looking to go into next week's play-offs with a good result at Prenton Park.
Whether you are unable to make the game for any reason, or even if you are attending, this is the place to discuss all the pre-match build up including team line-up and score predictions, events during the match itself as well as all the post match fall-out and analysis. The thread is open to fans of both sides to discuss the events surrounding the game so if you haven't got a Message Forum accounts yet then why not sign up now?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016:06:08:16:02:34 by Deadly Submarine.
Quote:Phil65
It's feels better to have a roller coaster last game of the season at the right end of the table for a change. I guess if we don't do it the pain will still cut as deeply. Hope we receive some divine help. Come on Alty and come on Rovers! I want to be drinking to celebrate come Saturday night not drowning sorrows!!
Phil let's hope you will need a drink after eating your hat..!,,😂😂😂
If it doesn't happen, I won't be drowning my sorrows (as long as the performance isn't another Welling!)
Come on Rovers, let tomorrow finally be the day we thump some one 5 or 6-0!!
I'll be disappointed that we haven't made it (assuming we don't) but particularly if we win the game tomorrow, I will at least be pleased we did our part of what we needed to do on the day and we go again next season - hopefully stronger and wiser from a year in this League!
If they cannot do so tomorrow can we really belief that most of thoseplaying tomorrow have what is needed to mount a tittle challenge?
Quote:Heswall Boy
Grimsby will not be arsed win lose or draw. Tranmere 2-0 winners and Braintree get hammered and where back in the play offs.
That's what we've got to hope. I suspect the first part may well be easier than the second bit.
Quote:Johnos HackersQuote:Phil65
It's feels better to have a roller coaster last game of the season at the right end of the table for a change. I guess if we don't do it the pain will still cut as deeply. Hope we receive some divine help. Come on Alty and come on Rovers! I want to be drinking to celebrate come Saturday night not drowning sorrows!!
Phil let's hope you will need a drink after eating your hat..!,,😂😂😂
Damn, I'd hoped no one would have remembered. I'll price a new hat in the club shop before the game just in case! Looks like a tough night ahead for me tomorrow win or lose!..

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2-1 alty holness 90+6 we can all dream i suppose
Quote:Deadly Submarine
Same here Paz.
I'll be disappointed that we haven't made it (assuming we don't) but particularly if we win the game tomorrow, I will at least be pleased we did our part of what we needed to do on the day and we go again next season - hopefully stronger and wiser from a year in this League!
Quote:Deadly Submarine
Same here Paz.
I'll be disappointed that we haven't made it (assuming we don't) but particularly if we win the game tomorrow, I will at least be pleased we did our part of what we needed to do on the day and we go again next season - hopefully stronger and wiser from a year in this League!
Agree 100% after two consecutive relegations.
Braintree 0 Alty 2
Woking 0 Eastleigh 3
Eastleigh pinch 5th spot.
Grimsby playing nine reserves including a 65 yr old goalkeeper !
It's Braintree's to lose !!!!!!!!!!!!
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
Quote:👍hong kong rover
braintree 3 up. ive switched it off. going to bed. the new season preparations start today.. top priority~ sort out these home defeats.
I'm already looking forward to it with some squad strengthening I don't think we'll be too far away and also looking forward to some of the away trips again next season including York!
Had we won just ONE more home game we were in the play offs. Whilst our failure to aspire to the play offs is based on the whole seasons results I can't help reflecting on our recent inability to beat Welling.
For me ,once again ,Brabin is simply not up to it.
Mr Palios please accept the consensus and tell him to foxtrot Oscar.
Who cares what side they put out? We got the win - it may have only been 1-0 but could have been more. People have moaned that we have failed to beat 'Pub Teams' (see my other thread about that) but when we do beat a side that is also apparently weaker than us it's still not good enough - it's pretty much laughable!
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Quote:Deadly Submarine
Whilst that post sums up what we are up against every week!
Who cares what side they put out? We got the win - it may have only been 1-0 but could have been more. People have moaned that we have failed to beat 'Pub Teams' (see my other thread about that) but when we do beat a side that is also apparently weaker than us it's still not good enough - it's pretty much laughable!
Of course we don't care what side an opposing team puts out but the fact remains that we beat their " reserve" side, one nil this just illustrates our poor home form, can you not see we are not in the play offs because of this abysmal record, Why should I or any other fan be happy with this win as it is far too little far too late.
Quote:GUAR
For me the Kidderminster game sticks in my mind what sums it all up.
Yeah I said that to a couple of people before the game today but it was also pointed out to me that the late collapse in that one was I guess countered by that Barrow game where we got three very unlikely points in amazing fashion!
My point is that I cannot remember a manager being so disconnected from the fans as much as brabin. At least with Edwards although a flop there was a glimmer of hope to start with as he has a good youth background.
And Adams previous has been of a high level. I have been racking my brains and I think the last time I felt like this about a manager is Dave Watson.
This sort of thing happens so regularly that it is beyond a joke. We need BIG changes in the way we approach HOME games in particular. Whether this is done under the current management.......... only the Palios' will decide.
Quote:Deadly Submarine
Whilst that post sums up what we are up against every week!
Who cares what side they put out? We got the win - it may have only been 1-0 but could have been more. People have moaned that we have failed to beat 'Pub Teams' (see my other thread about that) but when we do beat a side that is also apparently weaker than us it's still not good enough - it's pretty much laughable!
Let's be honest, they made apparently 8 changes from the last game and had nothing to play for.
Also, we 'scored' an own goal to win 1 nil
What is still worrying is the apparent reluctance of our team to cross the half way line in numbers and at speed. Norwood ran down a number of balls that really shouldn't have been his, and did surprisingly well, but where was the support?
Was Kirby unfit, as its seems odd to have played Maynard ahead of him?
What more embarrassing was the one's in white that's been on the pitch all season, couldn't even stick more than one past a thirty nine year old goal keeping coach who hasn't played for two years.
I can picture next season already. Our home form picks up but the fans complain that we aren't winning home games the right way (a bit like today).
Looking forward to that already - NOT!
Quote:Kenny_Crons
If we win games people are happy and to insinuate that wouldn't be the case is a naive comment.
Like the one we won today you mean?!! That's really lightened the mood of the fans!
The comments made today are heavily laced with the concerns built up from the season.
Brabin was never going to be perfect, but there were games where he put out a side that could create many chances and slot home scant few and that Woking result was a prime example of that.
This highlights the need especially to keep Norwood and prime him with attacking partners, who can infiltrate opposition nets with reasonable frequency.
I feel Taylor Fletcher after a poor level of initial output, warrants retention, but Higdon, who did put Tranmere in a position to challenge for the playoffs today with a vital goal recently, warrants no further action for me, which is disappointing for me as I had high hopes he could deliver based on previous clubs and form at some of them, but if he is kept I will accept this, however if not I wish him well.
As for Margetts, nobody really knows what he means to the management in relation to perceived skill or attitude, but if kept I would accept this, but if allowed to roam free, I would wish him well.
Defensively, there is no massive need to recruit, but one or two that can keep another 4-5 out of the next wouldn't harm, but the attacking threat needs addressing, because ruthlessness has, at times, been not forthcoming and in relation to midfield one or two new recruits to bolster the scoring form and create a little more ruthless efficiency in the final third would be a good thing.
As stated elsewhere if a player adds quality, is relatively injury free and can run for 90+ minutes, or 80+ minutes if they're 18 / 19, then I don't care if the player is 19 or 38, as some players with the been there done that attitude, that give 100% in any circumstance and add quality, can be a good blender, with some 20 something aged players with that 150-250 game experience and some raw or slightly experienced under 22's; as simply going for under 26 /27's for me is flawed, especially if you're looking to pull your butt out of the fire at 2-3 goals down, because expecting 100-200 game players, to be a source of great inspiration for players in their 10th game, for example, is a bit much, but when you have a few 300+ game players in the squad, it can be a leveler and a player with the nouse, experience, guile and attitude of Goodison, that runs all day, is unfaltering in attitude, with quality and limited injury potential and Mcnulty offered this and I think after a long time Taylor Fletcher also for me, after a poor initial run of games where he yielded little.
Much for the Palios' and Brabin to ponder if Brabin does stay, but Tranmere should have a budget good enough to compete for signings, but I would like to see a bit more recruitment nouse, like one or two lower division signings, such as Kristian O'leary for example and maybe utilise the Toffees connection with a young loanee perhaps, because Chester did it, so Tranmere should be able to do it, depending on who the player is, or at least maybe one or two of the released crop would be worth running the rule over in pre-season, as well as one or two released Liverpool youth.
Of course should Brabin feel audacious, he might want to see if Kolo Toure is available on a free and would like to mosey on through the tunnel, once he's heard the marvelous things the youth had have to say about Prenton Park and the pitch they've played on.
after all if you don't ask you don't get.
Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Against Chester and Bromley we played attaching, 4-4-2 football and dominated both games. It was good to watch and demonstrated how to beat an average and a below average team, and also entertain.
The problem we have is that the manager does not want to play this way and is simply not adaptable. Instead, he has stuck to a tactic that he probably used with his previous clubs when he had a limited budget and squad. This then produced what we saw this season which was limiting football.
I would love to be as positive as I have been in the last three summers with a genuine optimistic belief that the future is bright.
Unfortunately we may have to endure a bit more time with a manager who has a poor relationship with the fans, plays negative football and looks for magic signings to save his bacon.

Then I ate his Liver.......... with some baked beans and a can of coke.
Quote:Higgosboots
Let's get it in perspective, thanks to an own goal we beat Grimsbys reserves.
Jennings scored against Grimsby.
So we don't count own goals or penalties as being of any use it seems? What next? Only goals from outside the area are any good?
Quote:Deadly SubmarineQuote:Higgosboots
Let's get it in perspective, thanks to an own goal we beat Grimsbys reserves.
Jennings scored against Grimsby.
So we don't count own goals or penalties as being of any use it seems? What next? Only goals from outside the area are any good?
Yes, I only count good goals anything else isn't worth the entry fee! The point was it was a reserve team lets not get to OTT on performances and things that were deserved because realistically we should be making easy work of reserve teams with nothing to play for, which they obviously didn't before someone says 3rd place because they would have put a first team out. One nils need to be two nils next year or 3-1's.
The standard of Norwood'S penalties have been top notch by and large. To say that they are not ''good goals'' is ludicrous.
Every ball is a white ball............TRFC
Quote:Hoots Mon
They DID have something to play for. This was their chance to impress their manager and to get a place in their playoff team. Also to show him that they are worth a new contract probably.
The standard of Norwood'S penalties have been top notch by and large. To say that they are not ''good goals'' is ludicrous.
Bloody Nora you literally can't say anything on here if it's not in favour of the club, all I said was let's not get carried away beating Grimsby reserves. Which is a more than fair comment.
I never mentioned penalties and things, as a matter of fact I've made many comments in defence of his Penos this year on other threads, I'm also more than quite aware personally of the fine margins involved in professional sport all be it away from soccer, and what goes on behind the scenes and the difference in success and failure and what success and failure is.
If we are going to be so serious about it, yes we beat Grimsby you can only beat who turns up on the day and you can not alter what anybody else does on the pitch. A manager can't control his players he can only advise. Yes there can be many things to play for both as an individual and a team both intrinsic and extrinsic.
There are a variety of ways to mangage, you can be a dynamic leader, a dictator, a pacifist blah blah.
Every sportsman or woman needs targets, short term, long term and adaptable, Targets are pointless if they are not constantly assessed and reassessed. In order to have a target you must have a base line performance indicator to begin with and be aware of the performers limitations when setting the target, I.e it must be realistic and you mustn't get carried away.
Quote:HiggosbootsQuote:Hoots Mon
They DID have something to play for. This was their chance to impress their manager and to get a place in their playoff team. Also to show him that they are worth a new contract probably.
The standard of Norwood'S penalties have been top notch by and large. To say that they are not ''good goals'' is ludicrous.
Bloody Nora you literally can't say anything on here if it's not in favour of the club, all I said was let's not get carried away beating Grimsby reserves. Which is a more than fair comment.
I never mentioned penalties and things, as a matter of fact I've made many comments in defence of his Penos this year on other threads, I'm also more than quite aware personally of the fine margins involved in professional sport all be it away from soccer, and what goes on behind the scenes and the difference in success and failure and what success and failure is.
If we are going to be so serious about it, yes we beat Grimsby you can only beat who turns up on the day and you can not alter what anybody else does on the pitch. A manager can't control his players he can only advise. Yes there can be many things to play for both as an individual and a team both intrinsic and extrinsic.
There are a variety of ways to mangage, you can be a dynamic leader, a dictator, a pacifist blah blah.
Every sportsman or woman needs targets, short term, long term and adaptable, Targets are pointless if they are not constantly assessed and reassessed. In order to have a target you must have a base line performance indicator to begin with and be aware of the performers limitations when setting the target, I.e it must be realistic and you mustn't get carried away.
Chill. I was just,what I thought was,politely disagreeing with your comment. It was nothing to do with ''not being in favour of the club''.The Grimsby match was basically a non event once we knew Braintree were leading.It was like somebody had @#$%& our balloon-everything was totally deflated. So we basically went through the motions for the rest of the game. But I still think that the Grimsby ''reserve'' players had something to play for.
The article in tonights Echo regarding ''stability at the club'' would sound sensible if it was stated as the view of somebody other than Brabin. To me he's just trying first and foremost to defend his own position
Quote:Hoots MonQuote:HiggosbootsQuote:Hoots Mon
They DID have something to play for. This was their chance to impress their manager and to get a place in their playoff team. Also to show him that they are worth a new contract probably.
The standard of Norwood'S penalties have been top notch by and large. To say that they are not ''good goals'' is ludicrous.
Bloody Nora you literally can't say anything on here if it's not in favour of the club, all I said was let's not get carried away beating Grimsby reserves. Which is a more than fair comment.
I never mentioned penalties and things, as a matter of fact I've made many comments in defence of his Penos this year on other threads, I'm also more than quite aware personally of the fine margins involved in professional sport all be it away from soccer, and what goes on behind the scenes and the difference in success and failure and what success and failure is.
If we are going to be so serious about it, yes we beat Grimsby you can only beat who turns up on the day and you can not alter what anybody else does on the pitch. A manager can't control his players he can only advise. Yes there can be many things to play for both as an individual and a team both intrinsic and extrinsic.
There are a variety of ways to mangage, you can be a dynamic leader, a dictator, a pacifist blah blah.
Every sportsman or woman needs targets, short term, long term and adaptable, Targets are pointless if they are not constantly assessed and reassessed. In order to have a target you must have a base line performance indicator to begin with and be aware of the performers limitations when setting the target, I.e it must be realistic and you mustn't get carried away.
Chill. I was just,what I thought was,politely disagreeing with your comment. It was nothing to do with ''not being in favour of the club''.The Grimsby match was basically a non event once we knew Braintree were leading.It was like somebody had @#$%& our balloon-everything was totally deflated. So we basically went through the motions for the rest of the game. But I still think that the Grimsby ''reserve'' players had something to play for.
The article in tonights Echo regarding ''stability at the club'' would sound sensible if it was stated as the view of somebody other than Brabin. To me he's just trying first and foremost to defend his own position
Fair enough hoots. I really can't decide on Brabin, he says some good things and some complete bone head things, he does some good things and some complete bone head things. I'm not sure if stability is key, there's different thoughts on it but as you say if it came from someone other than him. I hear some good things about him as a bloke from people around the place. I prefer to think of him as Homer, not because he looks like Simpson senior, he does, but because I think he means well and deep down he knows the right thing he just doesn't seem to think before he speaks.
Just read the article, agree with him 100% he couldn't be more right, I've said similar myself on here, when was the last time we had a set of players that were Rovers players, and it's funny that all the goodens over the past 10 years have been on long term contracts, like Goody.
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They DID have something to play for. This was their chance to impress their manager and to get a place in their playoff team. Also to show him that they are worth a new contract probably.
The standard of Norwood'S penalties have been top notch by and large. To say that they are not ''good goals'' is ludicrous.
Bloody Nora you literally can't say anything on here if it's not in favour of the club, all I said was let's not get carried away beating Grimsby reserves. Which is a more than fair comment.
I never mentioned penalties and things, as a matter of fact I've made many comments in defence of his Penos this year on other threads, I'm also more than quite aware personally of the fine margins involved in professional sport all be it away from soccer, and what goes on behind the scenes and the difference in success and failure and what success and failure is.
If we are going to be so serious about it, yes we beat Grimsby you can only beat who turns up on the day and you can not alter what anybody else does on the pitch. A manager can't control his players he can only advise. Yes there can be many things to play for both as an individual and a team both intrinsic and extrinsic.
There are a variety of ways to mangage, you can be a dynamic leader, a dictator, a pacifist blah blah.
Every sportsman or woman needs targets, short term, long term and adaptable, Targets are pointless if they are not constantly assessed and reassessed. In order to have a target you must have a base line performance indicator to begin with and be aware of the performers limitations when setting the target, I.e it must be realistic and you mustn't get carried away.
Chill. I was just,what I thought was,politely disagreeing with your comment. It was nothing to do with ''not being in favour of the club''.The Grimsby match was basically a non event once we knew Braintree were leading.It was like somebody had @#$%& our balloon-everything was totally deflated. So we basically went through the motions for the rest of the game. But I still think that the Grimsby ''reserve'' players had something to play for.
The article in tonights Echo regarding ''stability at the club'' would sound sensible if it was stated as the view of somebody other than Brabin. To me he's just trying first and foremost to defend his own position
Fair enough hoots. I really can't decide on Brabin, he says some good things and some complete bone head things, he does some good things and some complete bone head things. I'm not sure if stability is key, there's different thoughts on it but as you say if it came from someone other than him. I hear some good things about him as a bloke from people around the place. I prefer to think of him as Homer, not because he looks like Simpson senior, he does, but because I think he means well and deep down he knows the right thing he just doesn't seem to think before he speaks.
I am going through one of those periods with Brabin where it almost feels like he's actively doing things to upset people like me [who haven't called for him to go] to turn us against him. He's making a fine job of it at the moment.
Quote:Hoots MonQuote:HiggosbootsQuote:Hoots MonQuote:HiggosbootsQuote:Hoots Mon
They DID have something to play for. This was their chance to impress their manager and to get a place in their playoff team. Also to show him that they are worth a new contract probably.
The standard of Norwood'S penalties have been top notch by and large. To say that they are not ''good goals'' is ludicrous.
Bloody Nora you literally can't say anything on here if it's not in favour of the club, all I said was let's not get carried away beating Grimsby reserves. Which is a more than fair comment.
I never mentioned penalties and things, as a matter of fact I've made many comments in defence of his Penos this year on other threads, I'm also more than quite aware personally of the fine margins involved in professional sport all be it away from soccer, and what goes on behind the scenes and the difference in success and failure and what success and failure is.
If we are going to be so serious about it, yes we beat Grimsby you can only beat who turns up on the day and you can not alter what anybody else does on the pitch. A manager can't control his players he can only advise. Yes there can be many things to play for both as an individual and a team both intrinsic and extrinsic.
There are a variety of ways to mangage, you can be a dynamic leader, a dictator, a pacifist blah blah.
Every sportsman or woman needs targets, short term, long term and adaptable, Targets are pointless if they are not constantly assessed and reassessed. In order to have a target you must have a base line performance indicator to begin with and be aware of the performers limitations when setting the target, I.e it must be realistic and you mustn't get carried away.
Chill. I was just,what I thought was,politely disagreeing with your comment. It was nothing to do with ''not being in favour of the club''.The Grimsby match was basically a non event once we knew Braintree were leading.It was like somebody had @#$%& our balloon-everything was totally deflated. So we basically went through the motions for the rest of the game. But I still think that the Grimsby ''reserve'' players had something to play for.
The article in tonights Echo regarding ''stability at the club'' would sound sensible if it was stated as the view of somebody other than Brabin. To me he's just trying first and foremost to defend his own position
Fair enough hoots. I really can't decide on Brabin, he says some good things and some complete bone head things, he does some good things and some complete bone head things. I'm not sure if stability is key, there's different thoughts on it but as you say if it came from someone other than him. I hear some good things about him as a bloke from people around the place. I prefer to think of him as Homer, not because he looks like Simpson senior, he does, but because I think he means well and deep down he knows the right thing he just doesn't seem to think before he speaks.
I am going through one of those periods with Brabin where it almost feels like he's actively doing things to upset people like me [who haven't called for him to go] to turn us against him. He's making a fine job of it at the moment.
I know what you mean, one week I loathe him the next I think he's great an in between I'm not bothered, he's certainly an odd one
