BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona


By The Offsider
May 1 2009

Almost effectively a B-car, BMW Sauber is set to introduce a major update to it's F1.09 racer. Here we will analyse the changes, and if it will be enough to bring the German-Swiss squad back to the front...

Rampf commented "We will be lining up in Barcelona with an extensive development package for the F1.09, which we have put together for the start of the European season. The nose section, more deeply undercut sidepods and the rear wing are all totally new. Added to which, modifications have also been made to the front wing, engine cover and underbody. We expect these improvements to significantly reduce our lap times.

Added to that, as Rampf confessed, they will bring a further lightened chasis (and KERS package) to allow for more ballast, which will be especially beneficial for Kubica. As well, we can expect some other minor changes, such as brake ducts refinements.

Automotor und Sport revelead that Mario Theissen is expecting "at least" another 0.5 sec from the new aero package.

Our Analysis:

-More deeply undercut sidepods:
thanks to reduced batteries, both in weight and volume, as well as refrigeration demands, due to further developements in batteries technology and optimization, it will allow for less section at the lower part of the sidepods, hence following the general trend of the last years to have wider section at the top than at the bottom.

-New nose:
the current one had a neutral profile (kind of the front of the "water drop" profiles, used in wings), which seemed to aim to reduce drag, but didn't manage to direct the flow around as well as other more sofisticated designs ,ala Red Bull. It seemed as if it was more aimed to allow to understand how the rest of the car worked under the new aerodynamic rules

-New rear wing:
all BMW Sauber's rear wing have looked rather simplish, at least compared to competitiors such as Ferrari or Mclaren, so no surprise they bring an update, even if the endplates design had changed back in pre-season's Barcelona test.

-New front wing: as I have been saying hundreds of times, and missing the implementation date I must admit, the current one wasn't a definitive one. It looked like an "unfinished work", even despite the minorchanges implemented back in Bahrain's pre-season tests.

-Engine cover: most likely a variation of the one seen in the Barcelona tests, back in March. That is, a shark fin-like design.

-Underbody: new difuser, with perhaps an interrim double decker design. We may see as well some turning vanes/barge boards and "snow plough" in the front underbody. If the interim double decker diffuser couldn't be introduced for this package expect it to be for Monaco, although in the street circuit its influence will be smaller.

All in all, If all those changes are coming, then that confirms James Allen's (shared by me and others around ) theory of "half cooked car", and the changes look very promising. Certainly a new looking car. Enough to be back at the top? Perhaps not, but at least much better than before, and expect BMW Sauber to get a higher step than anyone else.

And would explain why the F1.09 didn't get small steps each race.

BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
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Date: 01/05/2009 11:23

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Re: BMW Suaber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Raid Phoenix (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2009 11:23

I thought it was worth an article winking smiley

It is very encouraging, after such a bad season start. This is what we needed.

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Walsingham (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2009 12:10

From my - non engineer - point of view it actually doesnt matter wether it is full b-spec car with 99% of new parts or just one two inch winglet. The only thing that intersts me is how much improvement it will bring to the car.

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Gemm (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2009 12:51

sounds promising... but again and again... should not most of that list of updates be box checked before season started?

with good lead time in 2009 preparations we end up with 'half cooked' car...

above makes me really worried that if that updates are managed by same people who managed 'half cooked' car all we will end up in Barcelona is............ 'half cooked' updates...

I wish I am proven wrong

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: sessions (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2009 15:22

It depends on if the half cooked revisions are on the money.
It's an educated stab in the dark. No need to overcook the topic, we'll know some of the story after qualifications and all of it following the checker flag on Sunday.

sessions

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: German Rocket (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2009 15:43

Quote:
sessions
It depends on if the half cooked revisions are on the money.
It's an educated stab in the dark. No need to overcook the topic, we'll know some of the story after qualifications and all of it following the checker flag on Sunday.

sessions


Well said.

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: barteks (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2009 17:34

Another area where Ferrari could have leapfrogged BMW. They slimmed down the car by 15kgs. And according to the recent interview with Rampf BMW lightened F1.09 by a few kilograms only... Maybe in Spain the car will be further slimmed down?

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: popilirol a.k.a. rolren (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2009 17:46

Excellent, I hope to see my team in front.

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: German Rocket (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2009 17:49

Quote:
barteks
Another area where Ferrari could have leapfrogged BMW. They slimmed down the car by 15kgs. And according to the recent interview with Rampf BMW lightened F1.09 by a few kilograms only... Maybe in Spain the car will be further slimmed down?


At the same time, they are also wary of BMW;


“Last week in Bahrain, we were around half a second slower than the Brawns but we are hoping to close such gap next week in Barcelona. We know however, that most of the teams will have substantial upgrades for the Spanish Grand Prix - especially the BMW Sauber team. It will be a crucial race as we will have a better picture where every team stands.”

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Raid Phoenix (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2009 15:54

TS, the same source that claimed 15kg off from the Ferrari, says BMW will lose 20:

BMW brings to Barcelona heavily modified car, and our highest intoilijjat evästävät the F1.09 should be even 20 kilos lighter than the stable period began. The new parts made of various materials and the new KERS system's be used. Rumored to just KERS-weights have been dropped into no fewer than 12 kilos.

It is lightening then whatever manner, it nevertheless gives the team an opportunity to facilitate the adjustment of work lisäpunnusten placement, what Kubican the car is not the whole season could be. Turun Sanomat, according to Bahrain KERS device Kubican car was four kilograms more than the minimum weight.

It was the Kubicalle kilojen reduction is a massive help.

The new BMW's the car is, of course, developed in-floor solution, although the two-storey diffuusori really comes up until two weeks later in Monaco. F1.09 be to Barcelona in the new etusiiven and the rear wing of modified end pieces and the reformulated sivuponttoonit.

Baijerilaistalli expects improvement in speed by more than half seconds, which should be enough time ajofinaaliin up and fight for the points competition.
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Though in my opinion both figures are off the mark. 10kg is a more likely figure.

Bad to hear DD won't be ready until Monaco, hope its wrong.

PS: If someone could translate properly original article

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: German Rocket (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2009 16:40

News with no quotes, sorry. Don't believe it one bit.

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Gemm (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2009 18:28

TS is usually very good and reliable source. It's just so hard to translate if you don't have Finns around LOL

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: barteks (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2009 20:47

Yeah, I even once tried Google translator or something like that and the results were similar to translation from Polish (Sm7)

Anyway it's hard to believe in these numbers. It's seems like PR stuff in response for McLaren knock-out. But if it's true then Kubica has no excuse anymore and will have to use KERS in every race.

BTW. Jaime, our highest what? (Sm6)

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Raid Phoenix (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2009 20:57

Quote:
barteks

BTW. Jaime, our highest what? (Sm6)

You don't know it? Every F1 fan should know what a intoilijjat evästävät is!









Leaves the room (Sm25)

Anyway, thats what happens when you use crappy automatic translators...oh well. STill better than nothing, I guess

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: turboturtle (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2009 09:17

i do enjoy bad translations. the can be barrels of laughs.

regards tt

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: barteks (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2009 10:16

BMW may not have double diffuser in Spain angry smiley

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Zagloba (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2009 11:40

I did not know why are you so up sad Bartek MT say this 2 weeks ago they need to build new car to feed in DD.

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: soarq (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2009 12:05

I think it was widely accepted that we will only have interim solution for Spain?

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: barteks (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2009 12:09

Force India will bring second step of their DDD to Barcelona. Still I had some little hopes that BMW won't embarrass themselve next time...

soarq, I wouldn't be so sure. Given BMW development rate I guess that even Monaco GP term is in doubt.

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Raid Phoenix (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2009 14:18

Perhaps they'll borrow Briatore's jet to bring the special difuser on Friday night hehe

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: barteks (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2009 15:02

Yeah, fortunately it's a bit closer from Hinwil to Spain than to China tongue sticking out smiley

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: German Rocket (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2009 16:22

Looks like barteks has got himself a fan in Lauda. Indicating that BMW may even fall further behind in Barcelona.

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Qlka (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2009 22:13

Quote:
J-Raid
Quote:
barteks

BTW. Jaime, our highest what? (Sm6)

You don't know it? Every F1 fan should know what a intoilijjat evästävät is!
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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: tatto79 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/05/2009 15:50

Qlka, you stole the words from my mouth,it was so easy.. the fiercest enthusiasts inform...(Sm108)

I'm really glad BMW will bring all these updates, included a new diffuser perhaps, but until the Q1 I'll be dead wonderin about our speed!
I really hope Albert3 has blown all its chips up, trying to recover us from mediocrity!

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: German Rocket (IP Logged)
Date: 05/05/2009 17:24

Its clear now that TS news about BMW KERS 20kgs lighter was true. They took out the whole unit for Spain and Monaco.

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: barteks (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2009 15:36

Kubica said the are going to introduce DDD at Turkish GP eye rolling smiley

Full Q&A with the Pole here:

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: popilirol a.k.a. rolren (IP Logged)
Date: 08/05/2009 08:21

I don't read much into what's beyond Spain. If we do good with those striking updates from what they look, then we're gonna be be in a very assuring situation for the double decker diffuser. Otherwise, we're @#$%& up with or without double deck diffuser.

All my attention is on Spain.

BMW Power

Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: barteks (IP Logged)
Date: 08/05/2009 11:34

Technical analysis of the new F1.09:

[www.autosport.com]

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Raid Phoenix (IP Logged)
Date: 08/05/2009 11:44

Damn, I was on the way to do mine. Nevertheless I may add a few things, as there are still some details that could be talked more about winking smiley

Maybe I'll have to drop a line to Craig, so we collaborate for doing further technical analysis of the bimmers

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: barteks (IP Logged)
Date: 10/05/2009 17:34

It seems BMW again wasn't very inventive...

Rear wing copywork at BMW:

[www.f1technical.net]

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: Raid Phoenix (IP Logged)
Date: 10/05/2009 17:41

Not really a copy.

What Ferrari and Toyota have is an opening in the lower flap, to prevent flow stalling. BMW, on the other hand, created 2 new profiles. It is indeed an innovation, which will be probably soon copied by others.


BTW, on the vid you posted, the endplates don't seem to be connected to the bodyworks, so the rear wing is just supported by the two central pillars. Its a bit like former CHampcar/IRL ones. Is that the case in the real F1.09?

COuld make sense, as the new pillars are massive, probably enough to do all the job.

I haven't paid that much attention to that area lately...

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Re: BMW Sauber to introduce a huge car update in Barcelona
Posted by: barteks (IP Logged)
Date: 10/05/2009 18:18

http://www.formula1.com/photos/ta_article/full/ta_article_655.jpg

BMW Sauber have almost a totally new car in Barcelona, lighter, with a new nose and front wing, new sidepods, engine cover and this rear wing, which exploits the 15 cm of design freedom along the centre line of the car. With its additional central elements and what resemble miniature endplates, it's a solution that creates more downforce and one that will be very useful at the next round in Monaco, a particularly slow circuit. The F1.09's rear diffuser is unchanged and the team's new twin version will only be introduced once they are positive it will show a significant improvement.

source: f1.com

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