Glaws 2-year unbeaten run comes to an end

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Absolutely gutted to have lost the home record, but proud of how the team played for 65/70 minutes. Given The White Van Man's team are probably one of the strongest outfits around, we did really well to rattle them. They're fully in their stride now, having not lost many to the world cup/injury, whereas we're starting to get ours back now. After a few matches, and hopefully a few wins under our belt, and we should be fully in our stride and have the momentum to beat Sarries when we go away.

How many did you lose to the World Cup?

Want to check how many we lost?

Just tell him tpr. Let me know if I've forgotten any here:

Wyles - USA
Smith - USA
Stevens - England
Wiggy - England
Wacky Backy - Fiji
Burger - Namibia
Brown - Scotland

That's 7 (and I'm being generous by not including Smit). At the last count I think Glassdoor also lost 7.

As for injuries, we all have them.

But hey, never let the facts get in the way Danny.

Indeed we also lost 7, but we also had a lot of injuries, many of whom are now back, hence I said /injury. Your choice to dismiss that part of my comment ("we all have them") and focus on the world cup players is your prerogative. But hey, never let context get in the way of being contentious Bazster.

I don't know nor care what a 'Gerald Ratner moment' is. Enjoy your trip to Cape Town. I'd love to go if my club did something similar and if I were in a privileged enough position to be able to afford to do so. Enjoy it and I hope it brings you the benefits you expect.

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Dannyinnit
Indeed we also lost 7, but we also had a lot of injuries, many of whom are now back, hence I said /injury. Your choice to dismiss that part of my comment ("we all have them") and focus on the world cup players is your prerogative.

Pah, it's you who brought the World Cup into it, not me. Why even mention it if you knew we were even on World Cup call-ups? Indeed, why mention it if you didn't know?

The Cape Town/Ratner comment is in my signature, which means that, by convention, it is not something anyone need comment on. However, that it is my sig is not clear here because for some reason this board is missing the horizontal line that separates message and signature. If you're too young to know how Gerald Ratner achieved infamy, Google it if you can be bothered.

Yes I did bring the world cup players into it. But as explained, yet you seem determined to ignore, I was including injuries. Choosing to focus on half the comment is your choice. The context is also within our recent opposition - Sale who lost 11, and Quins.

The point I was trying to make is that your squad is probably the strongest in the premiership, and it's been back together for 2 games now whilst also hitting an impressive stride during the World Cup. Our loss to you was the first time we've had a near 'full' squad to choose from, and I was pleased with the efforts from my team.

You've obviously got a problem with Gloucester and are determined to treat all supporters of my club dismissively. I have no desire to fall out with opposition supporters nor enter into a petty row with you. As you said previously, this is rugby, so respect to Saracens, thanks for a thoroughly entertaining match and I look forward to visiting your ground later in the season.

PS. Thanks, I googled Gerald Ratner, very interesting, although I was only 7 at the time.



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Dannyinnit I think what Bazter objects to is your comment "having not lost many to the world cup/injury". It simply sounds like an excuse on your part when you have got the facts wrong. 8 is higher than 7.

I wish people wouldn't keep using the myth that Saracens are performing well because we have lost less players.

Anyway best of the luck for the rest of the season. Gloucester are still a tough team to crack, especially at home.

Cheers beshocked. To be honest, I was seeking crumbs of consolation from a Gloucester perspective, whilst trying to complement Saracens, so it's a shame he/she chose to jump on me for trying to be positive! Perhaps I should think twice about commenting from a Gloucester perspective on a Gloucester forum!

My point remains, as a squad, for various reasons, we've had less time to gel as a unit. Through a combination of World Cup AND injuries, until we played you, we had 16 players unavailable. Our match against you was the first time we've been close to a full squad, but even still, we've not had much time to gel as a unit. Whereas Saracens players performed in the absence of their World Cup players, and didn't have too many injury issues, making it easier to reintegrate those players, without disrupting too much of the momentum the incumbents have built up. In other words, your team seems to be gelling well as a unit. From my point of view, that's probably because you have the squad depth and have been lucky enough with injury so far, not to have been as disrupted as my team. Just an opinion of course, and that is a very convoluted way of simply saying: "They're fully in their stride now, having not lost many to the world cup/injury, whereas we're starting to get ours back now". I don't see why some of you (well just Bazster really) are so precious over an innocuous comment, meant in good faith, on a board that isn't yours.

Our second row concerns got the stage we were left with no choice but to play Tom Savage for several games, who was captaining Hartpury, several leagues below last season. Fortunately for us, he's been a revelation and left many of us asking "Dave who?!"

I have many Saracens supporting friends, and thoroughly enjoy our games against you. Apart from when playing Gloucester, I genuinely wish your team every success.

Dannyinnit

Maybe you can explain it to me but surely your team should already know each other. You made very few new signings this season if any?

You retained pretty much all your players. Why is gelling a problem? Also I thought that's what pre season is for?

Were the injuries so great?

Saying we have more squad depth and less injuries concerns makes more sense.


Thanks. I also know some Gloucester fans and they are nice. No problems at all.

I hope you and Quins knock out Toulouse in the HC.

You should be shocked beshocked, as the injuries were that bad! As I said, until we played you, we had 16 players unavailable for selection. This included pre-season and has ignored one or two who were injuredf and recovered in this time period. Playing you was the first time this season we've had a near full squad. Yes many have played together before, but 16 players missing at once had an effect on team dynamics. For example we've had Lesley Vainikolo in the centres - a forced, untried selection that fortunately worked well.

As you say, we didn't sign many players (we signed 5 new players, plus promoted several acadamy players) and as a result we've had to rely on a short term loan signing from Australia, acadamy players as well as losing key players in Paul Doran-Jones, Dave Attwood, Alasdair Dickinson and Nicky Robinson. Fortunately we've done well and the selected players have stepped up.

As you say, saying you have greater squad depth and less injury concerns is a good way of putting the point across, and I said just that:

"From my point of view, that's probably because you have the squad depth and have been lucky enough with injury so far, not to have been as disrupted as my team".

Nevermind, good luck for the rest of the season, hopefully see you at the Fat Blokes again.



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