Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Man of the Match?
By Grockle
August 28 2008
Mark Turner gets the SKY MoM award in a game that ends in a tie. I can't for the life of me tell you how that happened because it really shouldn't have! Another pretty poor bowling performance suddenly turned into a fighting one with about 121 overs to go after we'd reached a fair 298 without any end of innings acceleration. The pacing of this one was all over the place!
v Worcestershire Pro40(F) @ Taunton Thursday 28 August 2008
Sorry people. No Wi-Fi access at all on the ground for me so I could not put anything on for the first half. I arrived with Somerset deciding to bat after winning the toss and standing at 138 for 2 in the 15th over with Craig and Zander at the crease and the largest crowd of the season – some 5,300 people – crammed in to watch us try and stave off relegation (if that is actually the plan). I missed Banger's 27 ball 55 but I can imagine it because he's been leading from the front as a batsman all the way through this competition...shame the rest of the side hasn't exactly followed him or we'd be looking for some silverware rather than a bit of wood used to stir things!
The usual suspects are on the pitch except that someone has realised that Peter Trego might be a player to make an impact so he is in at number 5. Arul Suppiah is replaced by Omari Banks and Steffan Jones misses out in favour of Mark Turner. No place for Ian Blackwell – why am I not surprised? Once again we go into a one day game with 3 main seamers and a wealth of spinners but without our one day spinning expert and middle order batsman. Where is the sense in this after failing to defend over 300 in the last game.
The two batsmen brought up the 150 in the 17th before Zander went to Harris at 189 followed by his replacement James Hildeth to the same bowler 2 balls later. Next Peter Trego you would think? But no! It’s Wes Durston instead at number 6….perish the thought we’d send in an attacking batsman with more than 10 overs to go. Having said that it would be unfair to suggest that Wes doesn’t know which end of a bat to use and he pushes us on and outscores his keeper as we move towards 200.
With 15 overs to go we have 197 on the board when Craig is dropped not once but twice on 85, once by Batty (sitter) and secondly by Solanki. While that happens we go through the 200 border which forces Worcestershire to send on Gareth Andrew – who promptly bowls four wides with his first ‘outswinger’! It seems he took some tap from Marcus Trescothick at the front end of the innings and it doesn’t look like it is going to get any easier at this end.
Batty finishes with a highly credible 31 off his 8 overs but with no wickets to his name and we have 222 by the 30th with Kieswetter uncharacteristically blocking most of the balls he has faced since the near misses. He takes 19 balls to move from 80 to 89 at a critical point in the innings and then promptly gets himself out (LBW) just when we need to push on! 225 for 4 and finally we see Trego in deepening gloom (the lights don’t make any kind of appearance until the 38th over!) and he gets off the mark by disdainfully planting his first ball for four. The score starts to motor again and that looks good until Trigger slaps one from Harris straight to Hick at 275 to allow the Royal bowler to finish with an excellent 4 for 47 off his spell.
Omari comes out to finish the innings and we see both parts of the “Blackwell Alternative” at the crease at the same time. Wes the bat and Omari the ball. The question is can they get the score past 300 off the 20 balls left? Wes has a go and passes his own 50 with a 4 – well played. However, Omari once again cannot seem to find the middle of the bat and we go into the last over still needing 6 after More spills another to give Durston a life at 291 – really poor catching by the visitors.
Although there are some huge attempts to smear the ball to all parts, Banks fails to connect with anything that will give him more than 1 and we finish 2 runs short at 298 for 6. Once more, we can’t push the score at the end and we haven’t enough on this wicket with their batting line-up.
The Reply
Charl and Trego open against Solanki and Davies and by the end of the 3rd they have 27! They’ll get these at a canter. Trego is spraying the ball either side of the wicket and the field settings are all over the place as people move from leg to off and the batsmen swipe the ball from off to leg. There is an awful lot of discussion about where to put people but whatever seems to happen, the bowling attack can't seem to put the ball where it has to go to make the planned field effective.
Nothing really happens but mayhem (I seem to write that word quite a lot in reports on the one day games. Shame it isn’t usually in relation to our performance!) as they pass 150 without loss at the start of the 19th. Solanki is moving into the 80’s and Davies is about 10 runs behind him while our bowlers toil to find areas and lengths that the Worcestershire batsmen won’t punish for four!
Turner looked the most likely to cause trouble and once again the medium pacer gives them something to think about with variation, Zander is becoming a kind of Keith Parsons type of option. You don’t know why when looking at him bowl but batsmen find him hard to get away. Trouble is that he doesn’t look like breaching the defence of any batsman on this side and therefore they simply move past him and destroy whoever is providing the bowling at the other end – as I write this it happens to be Omari Banks.
170 off 20 overs puts them 1 ahead of our total at the halfway stage. But when is the ‘press’ going to come and will they only take 24 off the last 20 balls like we did?
It’s Omari who gets past them as Davies comes down the wicket at 181 and is stumped by Kieswetter for 92. Banks then celebrates in a totally inappropriate manner for a bowler who has just got the wicket of a man who has scored a 60 ball 92!! 1 and a half overs and one wicket down well over halfway to our target – is a collapse on the cards?
More is the new batsman and he’s not having a great one day season (6 zeros out of 8 innings). We are told by the resident Worcestershire man in the box that he can’t buy a run…so he gets off the mark with his first delivery.
Turner returns for the 25th with Worcestershire needing 3 for the 200. In the middle of the over there is the daftest run out you can imagine. More survives an LBW appeal and makes his ground as Wes hits the stumps. He goes way past the stumps but Solanki wants the second and they piddle about in the middle before Zander gets the ball to Turner who runs More out at 199. Daft. Then Turner bowls Solanki with his next ball (off his pads and possibly a bit of bat) 199 for 3 now!! So Mark ends it with the visitors needing 100 but with 2 less batsmen and Hick at the crease (not a great hat-trick ball). It’s a closer game but Somerset are going to need to push it along as they need to bowl 14 overs in 47 minutes if they are not to incur some kind of penalty (that is if it happens with the TV here).
Alfonso is on at the OP as the ‘Pears’ go into the 12th over from home needing 86. Smith can’t get him away and Hick is off strike (fine by me). They take 6 however. Charl is on at the River bowling a fuller length and restricting the batsmen to singles for the first half of his over. He’s coming around the wicket to Hick and it seems to be working. Good over they need 7.8 per over to win this. Langer talking to everyone but the time pressure must be starting to worry them as they start the 31st at 12 minutes to 10 needing to get through 9 by 10:24. They call for the helmet and Craig stands up to Thomas. It’s starting to rain during the 31st which they end needing 73. They are one run ahead on D/L so a nice maiden from Willow would make it really interesting. But it isn’t going to happen and at the end of it they are on 239 after a six from Hick as Charl tries to pitch it up and full tosses it instead. 60 off 8 and Zander is on….please explain that to me. Well it’s simple…he can take wickets as he bowls Smith for 20 at 244 trying to drag it across his wicket. Moin Ali arrives and sees out the over and they need 54 off 7.
Another conference as Banks comes on to bowl his last from the River and goes for 4 – good end and they need 50 off 6. This seems to be the ‘press’ we’ve been waiting for..bit late but nevertheless welcome for all that. Zander is doing his job at the OP and they stroll past 250 rather than rush towards the total. Hick flies one and Trescothick drops him on 20! Ahhhh – vital point in the game and the batsman follows up with a boundary! The River end has another interesting twist as Trego returns at the River!! 42 off 5. On would expect Thomas and Turner to bowl the last 4…but surely this is too late? Shouldn’t your best bowlers be on when the going is difficult for the Worcestershire men in the hope they aren’t needed at the death because you’ve broken the line? Sometimes it is too late to leave your best until the end because the position has already been decided and the wickets are in hand if the big men go.
The game went with that drop and this decision has hastened the end. Peter hasn’t bowled well all night and the one over he bowls goes for 12. They need 30 off 4 but they could have needed 40 with a little more sense. It tends to sum up the mumble about the ground that Justin simply isn’t a one day captain. They are also in jeopardy of not getting 3.1 overs bowled in the 12 minutes they have left!!
Alfonso returns to put in the 37th from the OP and the visitors move into the 270’s. It’s 23 needed at the end as Turner comes in to finish at the OP. Hick faces him with a whacking great piece of wood in his hand but it’s Moin who take him for 2 with some excellent running, followed by 2 more. They can farm Mark and still win and they know it. Into the 280’s and down into the teens as they take 8 and bring it down to 15 off 2.
Thomas provides a dot, a single (Moin), Trigger drops Hick under the lights on the Brewhouse boundary for a double and then he does the same again and this time Trigger takes it. 287 for 5 and Hick says goodbye putting this back in the balance. Mitchell comes in to try and finishes it. So Alf gets Moin LBW (plumb as hell) next ball. Batty now comes out to deal with a bit of a problem for the away side. At 10:26 there’s a ball to be bowled and Thomas is on a hat-trick – Batty swings and misses and he nearly has it.
Last over Turner to bowl 12 needed and two new batsmen at the crease.
Ball 1 – wide 288Ball 1 – dotBall 2 – single (Mitchell) 289Ball 3 – dotBall 4 – four (Batty) 293Ball 5 - single 294Ball 6 – four 298 - It’s a tie as Mitchell flicks it to the Gimlett mound area and Charl fails to stop it.
More than Somerset deserved but not as much as the big crowd hoped for in the last 5 overs. All credit to Thomas for setting it up but we didn’t accelerate at the end of our innings and let them go off at far too quick a rate at the start of theirs. We’ll still not stay up I would venture but it may make the last game a little more of a competition perhaps. Turner is given the man of the match – unusual for 8 overs 1 for 47 in a game with four impressive innings and a bowler who takes 4 for less in his spell. Wonders never cease but a point is a point and a young man takes what is offered when it is offered and smiles..
Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockles.com (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 23:54
Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
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Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Ww (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2008 21:43
Well tommorrow is the night which i most look forward to on the county cricket calender.
Taunton is always a very nice ground under lights, and now we should get to see the new development used to its full(?) capacity.
And the weather is looking promising.
Bring on tommorrow!
Taunton is always a very nice ground under lights, and now we should get to see the new development used to its full(?) capacity.
And the weather is looking promising.
Bring on tommorrow!
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2008 22:18
Sounds like a real treat, Westcountry Wolf.
Let's hope we get the cricket to match everything else that is wonderful!
Let's hope we get the cricket to match everything else that is wonderful!
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2008 22:26
And for those not able to get there and who are unfortunate enough to have Sky I believe it is being televised by the said company.
Have a lovely evening all those going and as Palairet says let's hope the cricket matches the occasion.
We need to wipe away the tears from the debacle against Gloucestershire last weekend as quickly as possible.
Let's do the business please lads.
Have a lovely evening all those going and as Palairet says let's hope the cricket matches the occasion.
We need to wipe away the tears from the debacle against Gloucestershire last weekend as quickly as possible.
Let's do the business please lads.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 07:05
I can't remember feeling less enthusiastic about going to a game. Perhaps I'm suffering from jet-lag, but I only flew from Rome! I hope we're all served a tasty dish and that Blackie and Trigger are playing.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Dasher Denning (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 09:22
It’ll be interesting to see the team selection for tonight – if we go with the same side as we’ve put out throughout the campaign then to me it will say that we don’t care if we’re relegated.
There’s been a consistent theme in each of the six games we’ve played so far – the bowling attack has failed, simple as. At Arundel I thought we should have been able to defend the total we put on the board but got nowhere near. At Durham we came perilously close to chucking away the game after putting a massive total up. Last week of course we did actually chuck it away. At Lords we had Middlesex on their knees at 140-8 but somehow let them get to over 200, which effectively lost us the game.
There’s been a consistent theme in each of the six games we’ve played so far – the bowling attack has failed, simple as. At Arundel I thought we should have been able to defend the total we put on the board but got nowhere near. At Durham we came perilously close to chucking away the game after putting a massive total up. Last week of course we did actually chuck it away. At Lords we had Middlesex on their knees at 140-8 but somehow let them get to over 200, which effectively lost us the game.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 14:21
Also interesting to see that there's absolutely no team news whatsoever on the other site - no clues at all.
Is Rosie keeping it close to his chest? Is he worried about the reaction to Wes, Arul and maybe others getting dropped for the likes of Blackie and Trego? Are they back from their Cornwall trip yet, or suffering from too much ice cream?
About two hours before the game starts and you wouldn't know there was a game on from the so-called 'official' website.
Is Rosie keeping it close to his chest? Is he worried about the reaction to Wes, Arul and maybe others getting dropped for the likes of Blackie and Trego? Are they back from their Cornwall trip yet, or suffering from too much ice cream?
About two hours before the game starts and you wouldn't know there was a game on from the so-called 'official' website.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Ww (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 14:24
Ive been checking all day waiting for team news, i'd like to know who's in the squad atleast....
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 15:33
I guess we'll have to wait and see, when Sky starts its transmission.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 15:37
They probably don't want to affect the crowd for tonight.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 15:47
Rob if they announce that Blackwell is in the team the crowd would double. 
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Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 16:22
Mark Turner "IN"
Steffan Jones "OUT"
Peter Trego "IN"
Arul Suppiah "OUT"
No Blackwell
Where is our Containing bowler coming from?
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Steffan Jones "OUT"
Peter Trego "IN"
Arul Suppiah "OUT"
No Blackwell
Where is our Containing bowler coming from?
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 16:23
Turner and Trego play. No Blackie or Steffan.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 16:23
...and Gareth Andrew playing for Worcs.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 16:24
I give up.
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 16:37
It does seem odd that the lessons there to be learned from previous matches are being ignored.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 17:35
Maybe be Turner will prove me wrong and bowl brilliantly, but his recent performances suggest variable width and length, with little variation in speed. I expect him to be expensive and if so, Ill be clamouring for Blackie.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 18:39
I've just emailed Sky Sports asking if they can shed any light on the 'Blackie' situation. I hope they mention it, but I won't hold my breath.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 18:47
We could do with a big hitting middle order batsman.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Kingston Black (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 18:49
The BBC Hereford & Worcester commentators were aware that Ian is out of favour at present. They were talking about the possibility of him being on the move at the end of the season and how there would be counties queuing up for his signature if he became available. All supposition no doubt, but they did discuss the situation on air.
KB
KB
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 19:17
So - can we defend 7 an over tonight?!
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 19:18
If he goes, many of our members might follow him.
Andy Caddick is commentating for Sky and he keeps referring to Banks hitting the ball out of the ground. Can anyone remember him doing anything like this? I don't remember him scoring many runs at all.
I must make sure I have nothing around me, as my frustration might have me throwing things at the tv, if we get tonked!
Andy Caddick is commentating for Sky and he keeps referring to Banks hitting the ball out of the ground. Can anyone remember him doing anything like this? I don't remember him scoring many runs at all.
I must make sure I have nothing around me, as my frustration might have me throwing things at the tv, if we get tonked!
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 19:22
I hope we have a bowler (playing) that can bowl with the same accuracy that Batty did.
It was painful watching Banks trying to hit big shots and failing.
The pitch is playing a bit differently that the Saturday one, so lets see if we can defend 298.
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It was painful watching Banks trying to hit big shots and failing.
The pitch is playing a bit differently that the Saturday one, so lets see if we can defend 298.
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Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 20:05
Once again, its a total embarassment.
We are becoming a laughing stock.
We are becoming a laughing stock.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: smallfrysom (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 20:10
Early in innings but Deja Vu ala saturday is creeping up.. I would fancy having a bowl seeing Somersets effort and also think I couldnt do much worse setting a field and using my bowlers
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 20:12
You're right Wurzel, it seems we can't defend 7 an over now either.
On Sunday, Trego wasn't considered good enough for the team - there was no official word nor rumour that I've heard that he was injured. So why is he opening the bowling tonight??!!??
When his second over went for lots (I can't work out how many - ran out of fingers), why was he given a third over? Is Langer playing kamikaze cricket? Does he want us to lose? Will Banger, Craig, Zander and Wes get dropped for the next match for scoring too quickly and forcing our bowlers to bowl even more poorly to ensure we lose? I just can't see what Justin's plan is, unless he's got money on at Ladbrokes for us to go down.
Yours,
Perplexed of Shepton
On Sunday, Trego wasn't considered good enough for the team - there was no official word nor rumour that I've heard that he was injured. So why is he opening the bowling tonight??!!??
When his second over went for lots (I can't work out how many - ran out of fingers), why was he given a third over? Is Langer playing kamikaze cricket? Does he want us to lose? Will Banger, Craig, Zander and Wes get dropped for the next match for scoring too quickly and forcing our bowlers to bowl even more poorly to ensure we lose? I just can't see what Justin's plan is, unless he's got money on at Ladbrokes for us to go down.
Yours,
Perplexed of Shepton
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 20:28
Up till now Turner has been the pick of the bowlers.
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Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 20:51
Quote:Mike BOS
Up till now Turner has been the pick of the bowlers.
He has and i love him to continue.
I'm mystified that De Bruyn is on. We need to take the pace off the ball, but maybe he's on to take wickets.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 20:57
Interesting comment from Caddick about Trego, allowing ball to bounce rather than go for the catch. "It would have been nice to see him go for it, as we need wickets"!
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: smallfrysom (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:01
156-0 in 18o... It will be some sort of record to score 300 + and near ,631 runs in 2 games and lose em both..jeeez
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:05
You can't tell me that Banks is better than Blackwell.
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Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:10
I think most of us agree, he's not, but unfortunately the Somerset management do.
Caddy clearly thinks the bowlers don't like the fields Langer asks them to bowl to. There is clearly much bad feeling in the dressing room. There's certainly little joie de vivre!
Ian Ward suggested that Langer is making his fields up as he goes along.
I do wish they'd ask Caddy about Blackie.
Caddy clearly thinks the bowlers don't like the fields Langer asks them to bowl to. There is clearly much bad feeling in the dressing room. There's certainly little joie de vivre!
Ian Ward suggested that Langer is making his fields up as he goes along.
I do wish they'd ask Caddy about Blackie.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: smallfrysom (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:13
I am glad some player/commentators have referred to Langer and his bowlers fields. What does Mr Hurry and all these after match inquests achieve. I suggest not alot.. pathetic
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:18
There will be plenty of people on here saying "I told you so."
And why wouldn't they? I've kept out of the team selection debate, but this is a disgrace too far. Apart from a fit and firing AC there is only one person capable of cutting down the run-rate in these circumstances - and he isn't playing. He is the last person that the supporters wish to see leave, but even sceptics such as myself have to believe now that there must be a strong possibility that he will leave at the end of the season.
Of course we don't know all the facts, and for whatever reason nobody is telling us. It is all very sad, and even if we were to win the County Championship, this business would take some of the gloss off it.
I would imagine there would be more counties interested in signing him than not.
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And why wouldn't they? I've kept out of the team selection debate, but this is a disgrace too far. Apart from a fit and firing AC there is only one person capable of cutting down the run-rate in these circumstances - and he isn't playing. He is the last person that the supporters wish to see leave, but even sceptics such as myself have to believe now that there must be a strong possibility that he will leave at the end of the season.
Of course we don't know all the facts, and for whatever reason nobody is telling us. It is all very sad, and even if we were to win the County Championship, this business would take some of the gloss off it.
I would imagine there would be more counties interested in signing him than not.
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:25
Don't give up,all is not lost.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:26
Agreed BJ. Two wickets gone now and Turner bowling well.
LoL
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:28
You and I are doing well, BJ. Three down now - and Turner is still bowling well.
Hick is in now; did I hear something from Tractor about the tail?
LoL
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Hick is in now; did I hear something from Tractor about the tail?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:33
I think so,he did give the crowd a nasty glare.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:52
I hope Langer don't come unstuck with the over rate.
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Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:53
If we get 6 runs per over added, it'll be the final nail in Langer's captaincy coffin.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:53
We are a shambles in the field.Neither captain or bowler know what they are doing.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:53
This light rain is not good,that ball will become very difficult to bowl with.
Or more difficult given the match conditions.
Worcestershire just edging it on DL.
Or more difficult given the match conditions.
Worcestershire just edging it on DL.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 21:59
I think they're using semaphore.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:01
Four wickets now and, amazingly, we have a slightly exciting match on our hands.
LoL
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:02
And the Umpires are against us.
Learn to appeal Omari.
Learn to appeal Omari.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:05
Well bowled Omari,great comeback.
It has not been easy for any bowler tonight.
It has not been easy for any bowler tonight.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:07
Banger drops Hick.
That really was a shocker.
That really was a shocker.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:07
Trescothick of all people has dropped Hick
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:08
Don't think I've ever seen Banger drop a catch in the outfield.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:18
That 6 run penalty is looming large.
Those that ask me where my ftm fielder would come from, I'd take one of those ridiculous three third men out!
What is JL doing? His fields are farcical, even after much hand waving!
Those that ask me where my ftm fielder would come from, I'd take one of those ridiculous three third men out!
What is JL doing? His fields are farcical, even after much hand waving!
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:24
Terrible Trego; Terrific Trego in two consecutive balls.
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: MisterMurph (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:25
2 in 2 for the Fonz...
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:26
I'm almost getting excited now. What';s BJ done with my tablets?
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:34
Can someone please give an update? The commentary disappeared with four balls to go.
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:37
A tie.
5 needed off final ball. Batsman stepped over to an offside ball and swept it to fine leg. Why oh why didn't we cover the fine boundaries?
Mark Turner man of match. Well done to him. One of few Somerset players to come out of match with any credit.
5 needed off final ball. Batsman stepped over to an offside ball and swept it to fine leg. Why oh why didn't we cover the fine boundaries?
Mark Turner man of match. Well done to him. One of few Somerset players to come out of match with any credit.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:39
I feel a touch of the Freds coming on - I don't know what's gone off out there.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:40
You can't blame Turner for the last over anything can happen.
If anything it was the two Hick drop catches and one over from Willoughby near the end when he bowled high full tosses (I expect because the ball was wet)
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If anything it was the two Hick drop catches and one over from Willoughby near the end when he bowled high full tosses (I expect because the ball was wet)
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Posted by: smallfrysom (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:42
As my dear friend always says"the Captain is half the side in cricket"hmmmm
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:43
Will one point be enough to stop relegation??
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Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:43
It was an excellent match,pure entertainment.
Turner got MoM,well deserved too.
I hope you're not being too serious about the fine leg position wurzel.
It was a well controlled shot that Willoughby very nearly stopped.
You can't cover every option on a ground the size of Taunton,no fine fielder would have got close to that.
If we beat Lancashire we stay up they reckon on Sky.
So beat Lancashire we must.
Super comeback boys,well done.
Turner got MoM,well deserved too.
I hope you're not being too serious about the fine leg position wurzel.
It was a well controlled shot that Willoughby very nearly stopped.
You can't cover every option on a ground the size of Taunton,no fine fielder would have got close to that.
If we beat Lancashire we stay up they reckon on Sky.
So beat Lancashire we must.
Super comeback boys,well done.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:44
Sounds like a lucky result that would have gone our way had either of the Tre's had caught Hick.
I know Banks took one wicket, but I am still not sure what he is for.
Everybody in the land knows who should have been playing in his place, both as bowler and as batsman.
I think the best solution is for us to bat first, because we're clearly good at that, and then to bat again, either to overtake the target we have set ourselves or to fall short. In either case we would win. The trick is not to let the other chaps bat.
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I know Banks took one wicket, but I am still not sure what he is for.
Everybody in the land knows who should have been playing in his place, both as bowler and as batsman.
I think the best solution is for us to bat first, because we're clearly good at that, and then to bat again, either to overtake the target we have set ourselves or to fall short. In either case we would win. The trick is not to let the other chaps bat.
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: smallfrysom (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 22:59
Members deserves an explaination about the continuance of Blackwells omission in all these pro 40 games especially when now its a battle to stay in Div 1. THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING. MR ROSE and LANGER.
And if there is discontent in the dressing room and the captain cannot bring unity then theres only one answer
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And if there is discontent in the dressing room and the captain cannot bring unity then theres only one answer
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Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 23:04
I think the team should all sit down and have a no holds barred, frank discussion. Even Frank could take part, Tractor.
There is clearly disagreement and discord within the dressing room and some of Andy Caddick's commentary confirmed for me, what most of us suspected.
I have got so frustrated with the club, this season, that I have resigned from my area committee and decided to stay at home and watch the game on tv, tonight. The logistics of driving to weekday matches and then finding parking, is becoming increasingly difficult.
The club need to rekindle my desire. I never thought the day would come when I felt my passion had been replaced by anger and frustration.
There is clearly disagreement and discord within the dressing room and some of Andy Caddick's commentary confirmed for me, what most of us suspected.
I have got so frustrated with the club, this season, that I have resigned from my area committee and decided to stay at home and watch the game on tv, tonight. The logistics of driving to weekday matches and then finding parking, is becoming increasingly difficult.
The club need to rekindle my desire. I never thought the day would come when I felt my passion had been replaced by anger and frustration.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 23:25
We didn't play well and didn't lose,that's always good in any sport.
The Langer/Blackwell problem needs to be addressed and we deserve a statement from the club.
Perhaps we should "officially" ask them to clarify the situation,at least then they'd have to acknowledge somebody.
Once we know what's happening only then can we,as fans start to understand the depth of any problems.
I thought we did very well to come back into the game tonight,it showed real guts and character.
Our performances in the one dayers have not been up to scratch in terms of winning the competition but if it's entertainment you want then you can guarantee we can provide that.
Let's not be too hard on them,it was difficult out there for everyone tonight.
One point is better than no points.
Just ask our Eurovision song contenders.
The Langer/Blackwell problem needs to be addressed and we deserve a statement from the club.
Perhaps we should "officially" ask them to clarify the situation,at least then they'd have to acknowledge somebody.
Once we know what's happening only then can we,as fans start to understand the depth of any problems.
I thought we did very well to come back into the game tonight,it showed real guts and character.
Our performances in the one dayers have not been up to scratch in terms of winning the competition but if it's entertainment you want then you can guarantee we can provide that.
Let's not be too hard on them,it was difficult out there for everyone tonight.
One point is better than no points.
Just ask our Eurovision song contenders.
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Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 23:38
My growing suspicions that our one day problem is the captain was finally confirmed tonight. Instead of playing it nice and simple he tries to be too clever. Unorthodox fields are all right but it must b*****r the bowlers up when there is a summit conference every ball and the field changes. KIt was like watching paint dry and if they hadn't kept pushing back the cut off time we would have lost.
Our fielding was poor-overthrows in the first over-enough to win the game- dropped catches and a general feeling by the spectator that no one quite knew what was going on. It was a difficult night with the lights and a wet ball
I see IDB was actually on the balcony so they are still talking to him!!!-is he talking to them I think he's won this round because we know he would have wonderful bowling figures and as long as he doesn't play no one can show different. There seems to be no way now that we shall not be in the bottom three and ~i wouldn't back us in a play off.
Our fielding was poor-overthrows in the first over-enough to win the game- dropped catches and a general feeling by the spectator that no one quite knew what was going on. It was a difficult night with the lights and a wet ball
I see IDB was actually on the balcony so they are still talking to him!!!-is he talking to them I think he's won this round because we know he would have wonderful bowling figures and as long as he doesn't play no one can show different. There seems to be no way now that we shall not be in the bottom three and ~i wouldn't back us in a play off.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2008 23:41
No Wi-Fi access at all at the ground tonight so I couldn't put anything up.
Home now and the report will be on the net in about 15 mins. Apologies to those who were hoping for something...not under my control I'm afraid.
Home now and the report will be on the net in about 15 mins. Apologies to those who were hoping for something...not under my control I'm afraid.
Re: lost and found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Ww (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 00:02
Just got home,
My views are....
- Omari is a legend
- Tresco dropped the match when he dropped Hick
- We missed the sort of person that could slow their run rate down... (I
- Charl needs to sort out his fielding and his attitude... he's really starting to annoy me.
- Trego needs to spend less time trying to look good for the camera's and more time practicing his bowling and fielding.
- Mark Turner bowled very well and i wouldn't be suprised to be in the CC team before the end of the season.
- Too many over-throws by Somerset tonight, it wasn't that Craig was making mistakes, it was more the throws that were coming into him were poor and arkward.
Rant Over.
My views are....
- Omari is a legend
- Tresco dropped the match when he dropped Hick
- We missed the sort of person that could slow their run rate down... (I
- Charl needs to sort out his fielding and his attitude... he's really starting to annoy me.
- Trego needs to spend less time trying to look good for the camera's and more time practicing his bowling and fielding.
- Mark Turner bowled very well and i wouldn't be suprised to be in the CC team before the end of the season.
- Too many over-throws by Somerset tonight, it wasn't that Craig was making mistakes, it was more the throws that were coming into him were poor and arkward.
Rant Over.
Re: lost and found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 00:20
Mark did his job well but it you weren't going to give the MoM to Solanki or Craig then the bowlers who turned the game were Harris and Thomas for that inspired penultimate over when the game was effectively gone.
I'd say that Mark - promising as this showed him to be - was fifth at least on the MoM list.
We were lucky but we had to get ourselves into a position for that to matter and credit to the men with the ball for that. The fact that we suddenly decided to field as well was not as pleasing to see after the mess at the start of our defence of the target.
Justin spent a lot of time sorting out fields for bowlers who were going to 8 an over because they couldn't bowl to the fields they set up...we nearly got hammered for run rate and it was probably only the wickets in the 39th that saved us.
Omari? Bowls with passion and hasn't been the worst on the pitch by far but when oh when is he going to get one in the middle of his bat...he couldn't hit the ball with a barn door at the moment!!
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I'd say that Mark - promising as this showed him to be - was fifth at least on the MoM list.
We were lucky but we had to get ourselves into a position for that to matter and credit to the men with the ball for that. The fact that we suddenly decided to field as well was not as pleasing to see after the mess at the start of our defence of the target.
Justin spent a lot of time sorting out fields for bowlers who were going to 8 an over because they couldn't bowl to the fields they set up...we nearly got hammered for run rate and it was probably only the wickets in the 39th that saved us.
Omari? Bowls with passion and hasn't been the worst on the pitch by far but when oh when is he going to get one in the middle of his bat...he couldn't hit the ball with a barn door at the moment!!
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Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 00:35
Banger 50
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 00:55
Wow, just got back from Taunton.
Not sure what to say.
I guess I would give us a 9 out of 10 for batting. Banger and Craig were great, I was very pleased with the way Zander kept things going when he came in (pleasantly surprised, to be honest) and was pleased to see Wes hold things together and Pete play a good cameo. I don't give us a 10 because the final three overs or so did not produce very much (as was the case on Saturday.)
4.5 out of 10 for bowling. I'm afraid Charl was poor and Pete worse than that at the start. Charl's second spell was better but his third was even worse than his first. Pete's one over near the end was bowled in the wrong place by Langer. We needed wickets so should have bowled Turner's two overs first - as Mark had bowled well throughout and then taken a flier on Pete for the final over if we had to. Thought Zander again bowled presentably (good to see.) Banks was average. Thomas started poorly but finished very, very well. Langer also made a mistake in yanking Turner out of the attack earlier when he was bowling well. He put Banks on for no reason that I could discern except that he was captaining by the numbers and so put Omari on as soon as the fielding restrictions were over. Not impressed with Langer at all today.
and ZERO out of 10 for the fielding. The fielding made me angry tonight. The fact that we gave away overthrows in a lackadaiscial manner when Worcs were not even essaying a run in the very first over accurately presaged much of what was to follow for the next 22 overs or so. We missed a couple of shies at the stumps. A Wes mis-field cost us three runs. Willow, of course, went on to repeat the dose off the last ball and then we had the two embarrassing drops of Hick. There were also a couple of other mis-fields in ground-fielding besides that laundry list of errors. It really was shambolic and we did not look like a professional cricket team.
After 20 overs of their reply, if you'd offered me a tie, I'd have taken your arm off at the shoulder. But it was dissappointing, but very apt, to surrender a win at the death due to bad fielding.
Not sure what to say.
I guess I would give us a 9 out of 10 for batting. Banger and Craig were great, I was very pleased with the way Zander kept things going when he came in (pleasantly surprised, to be honest) and was pleased to see Wes hold things together and Pete play a good cameo. I don't give us a 10 because the final three overs or so did not produce very much (as was the case on Saturday.)
4.5 out of 10 for bowling. I'm afraid Charl was poor and Pete worse than that at the start. Charl's second spell was better but his third was even worse than his first. Pete's one over near the end was bowled in the wrong place by Langer. We needed wickets so should have bowled Turner's two overs first - as Mark had bowled well throughout and then taken a flier on Pete for the final over if we had to. Thought Zander again bowled presentably (good to see.) Banks was average. Thomas started poorly but finished very, very well. Langer also made a mistake in yanking Turner out of the attack earlier when he was bowling well. He put Banks on for no reason that I could discern except that he was captaining by the numbers and so put Omari on as soon as the fielding restrictions were over. Not impressed with Langer at all today.
and ZERO out of 10 for the fielding. The fielding made me angry tonight. The fact that we gave away overthrows in a lackadaiscial manner when Worcs were not even essaying a run in the very first over accurately presaged much of what was to follow for the next 22 overs or so. We missed a couple of shies at the stumps. A Wes mis-field cost us three runs. Willow, of course, went on to repeat the dose off the last ball and then we had the two embarrassing drops of Hick. There were also a couple of other mis-fields in ground-fielding besides that laundry list of errors. It really was shambolic and we did not look like a professional cricket team.
After 20 overs of their reply, if you'd offered me a tie, I'd have taken your arm off at the shoulder. But it was dissappointing, but very apt, to surrender a win at the death due to bad fielding.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 00:58
One other thought that has occurred to me and that I'm not sure has been raised anywhere else.
I think it's irrelevant if we get relegated.
Why?
Because I do not think that Division Two will exist next season.
Why not?
Think about it, if it's the last ever season of Pro 40, what possible incentive could there be for any division two team to take it seriously? There would be nothing to play for. Promotion to a league that would no longer exist?
I don't know if this has occurred to the powers-that-be yet, but I do not see how Division Two can exist next season?
I think they will just have to play one division of 18 teams with a random draw as to which teams you get at home and which you draw away.
I think it's irrelevant if we get relegated.
Why?
Because I do not think that Division Two will exist next season.
Why not?
Think about it, if it's the last ever season of Pro 40, what possible incentive could there be for any division two team to take it seriously? There would be nothing to play for. Promotion to a league that would no longer exist?
I don't know if this has occurred to the powers-that-be yet, but I do not see how Division Two can exist next season?
I think they will just have to play one division of 18 teams with a random draw as to which teams you get at home and which you draw away.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 01:02
Geordie - did you not see what they did with Ian?
They leaked to the local press that we would be in the squad and might play because, in the words of Mr Rose 'We might need his spin.'
I thought that was bad enough - the implication being that his batting is not relevant.
But when Ian was not then picked, I think that they only ever put him in the squad to try and help with the gate. Awful.
They leaked to the local press that we would be in the squad and might play because, in the words of Mr Rose 'We might need his spin.'
I thought that was bad enough - the implication being that his batting is not relevant.
But when Ian was not then picked, I think that they only ever put him in the squad to try and help with the gate. Awful.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 01:04
Wurzel - I was at the game tonight, so did not get to hear anything that AC said;
Does anyone have any examples?
Does anyone have any examples?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 01:12
And another thing on the selection front;
Now that Ian is no longer being picked, does it seem to anyone else that Jonah seems to be the scapegoat du jour if things go wrong in the field?
Now that Ian is no longer being picked, does it seem to anyone else that Jonah seems to be the scapegoat du jour if things go wrong in the field?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 01:16
Tonight has convinced me that Justin Langer should NOT captain this team in one-day cricket next season.
I offer the following reasons;
1) Bewildering and ineffective tactics.
2) Bewildering and ineffective team selection.
3) lack of batting form in the Pro 40.
4) He won't even BE HERE (in theory) for the FP Trophy next season anyway, as he's due to be in India.
No more Mr Langer at the helm of the one day team thanks, Mr Rose.
How about that nice Mr Blackwell?
After all, he surely meets the first criterion for a captain in that he should surely be guaranteed his place...
what's that you say, Mr Rose?
Remind me how this Pro 40 campaign has gone. Talk me through the triumph...
I offer the following reasons;
1) Bewildering and ineffective tactics.
2) Bewildering and ineffective team selection.
3) lack of batting form in the Pro 40.
4) He won't even BE HERE (in theory) for the FP Trophy next season anyway, as he's due to be in India.
No more Mr Langer at the helm of the one day team thanks, Mr Rose.
How about that nice Mr Blackwell?
After all, he surely meets the first criterion for a captain in that he should surely be guaranteed his place...
what's that you say, Mr Rose?
Remind me how this Pro 40 campaign has gone. Talk me through the triumph...
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 01:16
Something that worries me still is Blackie. I was walking behind the pavilion just as Blackie was walking in, a couple of guys asked him why he wasn't playing, Blackie said he didn't know, I could tell from the tone of his voice that something isn't right.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 04:24
I e-mailed the Club after the last NW40 game & asked for an explanation re IB. Suggested they should at least put something on the official site to clarify what is going on & finally asked why such a successful Championship season had to be tainted by the - seemingly ego driven - nonsense that has been our one day selection & tactics this year.
One wonders why Brian Rose has been virtually silent over the last few weeks, at least as far as the 'Official' site is concerned ?
Only response I got was that my e-mail "had been forwarded to the appropriate people". ... Presumably it's now in the bin then !
As for tonights game, well exciting it may have been, but should we really be celebrating the fact that we managed to tie after scoring 298 ? I think not.
We have made massive strides in the Championship over the last two seasons, & JL is to be congratulated for the focus he has brought to the team here.
However,the one day performances have gone exactly in the opposite direction & it is his place to accept the responsibility for that also.
Frankly, Justin does not appear worth his place in the (one day) team at the moment. To paraphrase Brian Rose's comments from a few weeks ago re IB, maybe Justin should be 'rested & given some time to get his form & confidence back'.
At the moment, I find it difficult to get things in perspective. I want to be positive about our Championship prospects, but I also wonder how much long term damage is being inflicted within the dressing room & how will that impact on future seasons ?
If our horizon is more than the one more year that JL has on his contract, I do sometimes wonder if it is worth it ?!
Grizzzly
One wonders why Brian Rose has been virtually silent over the last few weeks, at least as far as the 'Official' site is concerned ?
Only response I got was that my e-mail "had been forwarded to the appropriate people". ... Presumably it's now in the bin then !
As for tonights game, well exciting it may have been, but should we really be celebrating the fact that we managed to tie after scoring 298 ? I think not.
We have made massive strides in the Championship over the last two seasons, & JL is to be congratulated for the focus he has brought to the team here.
However,the one day performances have gone exactly in the opposite direction & it is his place to accept the responsibility for that also.
Frankly, Justin does not appear worth his place in the (one day) team at the moment. To paraphrase Brian Rose's comments from a few weeks ago re IB, maybe Justin should be 'rested & given some time to get his form & confidence back'.
At the moment, I find it difficult to get things in perspective. I want to be positive about our Championship prospects, but I also wonder how much long term damage is being inflicted within the dressing room & how will that impact on future seasons ?
If our horizon is more than the one more year that JL has on his contract, I do sometimes wonder if it is worth it ?!
Grizzzly
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 08:04
Not worth it in my opinion, Grizzly.
And I am increasingly fearful for our CC prosects with each inept one-day performance that passes. Apart from anything else key personnel are losing form - look at the way Charl has bowled in the past two one-day games, for instance..
And I am increasingly fearful for our CC prosects with each inept one-day performance that passes. Apart from anything else key personnel are losing form - look at the way Charl has bowled in the past two one-day games, for instance..
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 08:06
One has to ask - if we do not win the Championship this season what has actually been achieved in 2008? I realise that the CC1 title is the most important thing this club can aspire to in the present climate but what are we actually left with if we don't make it? Are we a "well rounded unit" going forward? Has the club been moved on and become an established first division club on a long term basis?
What will others remember? That we came second or third in the CC or that we were relegated the season after we were promoted?
It's a big gamble and there may be some soul searching about the sacrifices that have been made to allegedly make it happpen. I still don't think Taunton is a happy place to play cricket and I was hoping never to say that again.
What will others remember? That we came second or third in the CC or that we were relegated the season after we were promoted?
It's a big gamble and there may be some soul searching about the sacrifices that have been made to allegedly make it happpen. I still don't think Taunton is a happy place to play cricket and I was hoping never to say that again.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 08:17
In part, Grockle, I guess we're back to the question which has troubled Palairet and others --- that of the wisdom of the overseas player as captain..?
In the modern day and age, overseas players are seldom long-term propositions so if you have one as captain, you are almost committing to regular upheaval.
In the modern day and age, overseas players are seldom long-term propositions so if you have one as captain, you are almost committing to regular upheaval.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 08:49
Incidentally - does anyone else agree with me that we were extraordinarily fortunate not to get the 6-run penalty for a slow over-rate?
I'd be interested to hear the umpires justify their decision not to enforce it. The problem, very simply, was that Langer insisted on micro-managing his bowlers to the point that there was a change to the field after almost every boundary that was struck - especially once the first 15 overs were done with.
I also have to question the wisdom of an elaborate conference before the last ball. This could, conceviably, have helped to break the concentration and rhythm of Mark Turner, who was bowling well and it gave their batsman extra time to compose himself and formulate a plan.
I'd be interested to hear the umpires justify their decision not to enforce it. The problem, very simply, was that Langer insisted on micro-managing his bowlers to the point that there was a change to the field after almost every boundary that was struck - especially once the first 15 overs were done with.
I also have to question the wisdom of an elaborate conference before the last ball. This could, conceviably, have helped to break the concentration and rhythm of Mark Turner, who was bowling well and it gave their batsman extra time to compose himself and formulate a plan.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 08:54
I didn't hear anything from Caddick which "confirmed" anything about the dressing room, AG.
He made some remarks about people not really knowing their roles in the field, and about some confusion over tactics. I took those remarks at face value, as they seemed to me to be about this game and the last, rather than about a general malaise.
Of course, if one were looking for confirmation of what one has already decided is the case, then one might read more into the remarks than I have.
I agree with Grockle that the selection of Turner as MotM was bizarre. He bowled well enough, but several other bowlers and several batsmen made contributions which were more significant to the final outcome. Gareth Batty, for one, was excellent: now who de we have who could have done a similar job?
I agree with everything everyone has said about the micro-management of the fields, but it looked from the TV as though that was as much the responsibility of some of the bowlers as it was Langer's. He seemed to allow his "senior" bowlers far too much leeway to tinker with their fields. It certainly appeared from the TV that the every ball changes when Thomas was bowling were instigated by the bowler: and that just made it even more frustrating when he failed to bowl to the field he himself had set only seconds before. His final over was excellent, but until then he wasn't at the races yesterday either.
He made some remarks about people not really knowing their roles in the field, and about some confusion over tactics. I took those remarks at face value, as they seemed to me to be about this game and the last, rather than about a general malaise.
Of course, if one were looking for confirmation of what one has already decided is the case, then one might read more into the remarks than I have.
I agree with Grockle that the selection of Turner as MotM was bizarre. He bowled well enough, but several other bowlers and several batsmen made contributions which were more significant to the final outcome. Gareth Batty, for one, was excellent: now who de we have who could have done a similar job?
I agree with everything everyone has said about the micro-management of the fields, but it looked from the TV as though that was as much the responsibility of some of the bowlers as it was Langer's. He seemed to allow his "senior" bowlers far too much leeway to tinker with their fields. It certainly appeared from the TV that the every ball changes when Thomas was bowling were instigated by the bowler: and that just made it even more frustrating when he failed to bowl to the field he himself had set only seconds before. His final over was excellent, but until then he wasn't at the races yesterday either.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:00
The most pleasing thing, for me, to have come out of the last two disappointing games, is the possible coming of age of Craig Kieswetter. I didn't see much of Saturday's knock, but reports were good, and last night he was excellent.
The commentators were discussing him as a realistic solution to England's batsman-keeper requirement..........until Davies batted, that is! ;(
I'm also surprised there hasn't been more discussion here of the Hildreth "dismissal". It was bizarre. He certainly didn't look impressed, but the report came back later from the third Umpire that he had confrimed he'd hit it.
The commentators were discussing him as a realistic solution to England's batsman-keeper requirement..........until Davies batted, that is! ;(
I'm also surprised there hasn't been more discussion here of the Hildreth "dismissal". It was bizarre. He certainly didn't look impressed, but the report came back later from the third Umpire that he had confrimed he'd hit it.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: doc hennessy (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:24
This was advertised as 'Justin Langer's Midsummer Night's Dream Team'. Can we assume they will all end up being Bottom?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:25
Alfonso saved Justin's life by taking wickets because we were hugely pushed to get to the last over within the time frame. At the end of the 39th, the scoreboard reset itself (wickets down etc) and we all thought that they had imposed the 6 run penalty.
But they don't tend to when the TV are here, they didn't on that famous occasion and they didn't last night.
But they don't tend to when the TV are here, they didn't on that famous occasion and they didn't last night.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:27
Quote:doc hennessy
This was advertised as 'Justin Langer's Midsummer Night's Dream Team'. Can we assume they will all end up being Bottom?
That will depend on whether they can Puck their ideas up for the last match!
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:35
Davies was superb yesterday, FE.
Craig certainly batted well again. But, on Saturday, his keeping was even more impressive than his batting which was saying something.
Craig is obviously very good at lofted straight drives and he is good at making room for himself to get his arms free and throw the bat at the ball through the off-side.
I think he could do with working with Jimmy Cook to develop more orthodox front-foot shots on the off-side though. Like most who have grown up in SA, he needs no help with the cut shot and he's good at making room to throw the bat at the ball but I would imagine that having more of a front-foot cover drive in his locker would pay rich dividends in the long form of the game. At the moment his one-day batting is a considerable distance ahead of his first-class batting.
His other thing to work on his running between the wickets which remains problematic - certainly it was yesterday.
Craig certainly batted well again. But, on Saturday, his keeping was even more impressive than his batting which was saying something.
Craig is obviously very good at lofted straight drives and he is good at making room for himself to get his arms free and throw the bat at the ball through the off-side.
I think he could do with working with Jimmy Cook to develop more orthodox front-foot shots on the off-side though. Like most who have grown up in SA, he needs no help with the cut shot and he's good at making room to throw the bat at the ball but I would imagine that having more of a front-foot cover drive in his locker would pay rich dividends in the long form of the game. At the moment his one-day batting is a considerable distance ahead of his first-class batting.
His other thing to work on his running between the wickets which remains problematic - certainly it was yesterday.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:36
I was getting really frustrated bt all the arm waving and was certain we'd lose due to the 6 run penalty clause, which should have been applied.
We are a complete shambles in 1 day cricket and the players look a combination of nervous, frightened and miserable much of the time. What has happened to the Joie de vivre, which we used to see?
We are a complete shambles in 1 day cricket and the players look a combination of nervous, frightened and miserable much of the time. What has happened to the Joie de vivre, which we used to see?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:37
The reason we didn't have 6 penalty runs added on Worcs score was that apart from wickets falling near the end time was also added on for changing the ball.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:39
"We are a complete shambles in 1 day cricket and the players look a combination of nervous, frightened and miserable much of the time. What has happened to the Joie de vivre, which we used to see?"
I would guess that Langer's toys came out the pram after the Gloucs game. After all, the Sky boys kept saying 'we're told that Langer is making it know that he is not at all happy.' If the players looked nervous, that may have played a part..?
I would guess that Langer's toys came out the pram after the Gloucs game. After all, the Sky boys kept saying 'we're told that Langer is making it know that he is not at all happy.' If the players looked nervous, that may have played a part..?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:44
Quote:Mike BOS
The reason we didn't have 6 penalty runs added on Worcs score was that apart from wickets falling near the end time was also added on for changing the ball.
The 2 minutes added on for changing the ball, gave a cut-off point of 10.27. The last over didn't start until 10.28.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:54
You actually seem disappointed that it wasn't applied!
Do you wish that we had lost?
Do you wish that we had lost?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 09:59
I think Langer was extremely fortunate to get away with it and I wonder if a captain with less stature in the game would have got away with it?
Had the boot been on the other foot, I would have been unhappy had Solanki not been penalised.
Had the boot been on the other foot, I would have been unhappy had Solanki not been penalised.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 10:24
Quote:Frome Exile
You actually seem disappointed that it wasn't applied!
Do you wish that we had lost?
I'm disappointed that you feel the need to answer the question.
One of the qualities of posters on this forum, is the desire to see fair play and justice. Worcs can rightly feel agrieved.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Get Stuck In (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 10:32
I watched it on Sky.....
Four points:
* I'd thought Langer was a competive-minded skipper who didn't suffer fools gladly. Why was he laughing with the rest of the team over the sloppy fielding in the first over of the Worcester innings. Amazing.
* Like other correspondents, I'm dumbfounded that Blackwell wasn't playing. He'd have made all the difference in the last 5-10 overs when we should have pushed well past 300.
* Omari Banks slogs like a number 11. Hit or miss, mostly miss.
* Man of the match should have been Solanki.
Four points:
* I'd thought Langer was a competive-minded skipper who didn't suffer fools gladly. Why was he laughing with the rest of the team over the sloppy fielding in the first over of the Worcester innings. Amazing.
* Like other correspondents, I'm dumbfounded that Blackwell wasn't playing. He'd have made all the difference in the last 5-10 overs when we should have pushed well past 300.
* Omari Banks slogs like a number 11. Hit or miss, mostly miss.
* Man of the match should have been Solanki.
Re: Fun under the Floodlights...
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 10:34
Quote:wurzel
I have got so frustrated with the club, this season, that I have resigned from my area committee and decided to stay at home and watch the game on tv, tonight. The logistics of driving to weekday matches and then finding parking, is becoming increasingly difficult.
The club need to rekindle my desire. I never thought the day would come when I felt my passion had been replaced by anger and frustration.
Not in it for the long haul then, Wurzel?
Very surprising.
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Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 10:44
Quote:Wurzel
The 2 minutes added on for changing the ball, gave a cut-off point of 10.27. The last over didn't start until 10.28.
The rule doesn't concern itself with when the over commences. It concerns itself with when the fielding side are ready to commence the last over. A technicality, I know; but an important one. The final delay which took the time beyond 10:28, was the Umpires taking half a minute checking with the third Umpire that it wasn't yet 10:28. That was farcical, and had we been punsihed I would have felt aggrieved!
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 10:47
Quote:Get Stuck In
I'd thought Langer was a competive-minded skipper who didn't suffer fools gladly. Why was he laughing with the rest of the team over the sloppy fielding in the first over of the Worcester innings. Amazing.
Interestingly, when Willis remarked along the lines of "Even Langer is amused", I turned to my wife and said "Oh no he isn't". The mouth was laughing (perhaps nervously?) but the eyes were like gimlets!
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 10:55
I was amazed that Langer was smiling when Trescothick returned a wild throw to Kieswetter that went for over throws, I thought at the time it happened (not afterwards) would he have been smiling if it had been anybody else. (I wounder)
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 11:02
I noted that at least twice the on-field umpires referred decisions on possible boundaries to the man upstairs, thus consuming more time for which Langer could not be held accountable. Could that be a factor in allowing extra time at the end?
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Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 11:05
Could be LoL
Trust you to come up with something sensible.
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Trust you to come up with something sensible.
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Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 11:10
I too think Mr Caddick was very fair on commentary and said nothing to suggest there were problems.
When asked about the structure of the team he simply stated that the management want to develop a team of one day specialists.I thought he did a great job,his reading of the game is second to none.
I'm sorry Wurzel but it does sound as if you're not happy the rule regarding slow over rate wasn't applied.
Let's leave the enforcement of the laws to the men in charge and we as Somerset fans should concentrate on getting behind our lads and giving them all the support we can muster.
Whilst we may be unhappy with certain events on the field we shouldn't chuck our toys out of the pram when things don't go our way.
I agree completely that we've been found wanting in the one dayers but in my opinion that is when we get behind them all the more.
We're all different of course and it is very interesting to read your perspective on things,you must do whatever you think is right.
We didn't lose last night and are still in with a real chance of staying in the division.
Let's not over-react.
When asked about the structure of the team he simply stated that the management want to develop a team of one day specialists.I thought he did a great job,his reading of the game is second to none.
I'm sorry Wurzel but it does sound as if you're not happy the rule regarding slow over rate wasn't applied.
Let's leave the enforcement of the laws to the men in charge and we as Somerset fans should concentrate on getting behind our lads and giving them all the support we can muster.
Whilst we may be unhappy with certain events on the field we shouldn't chuck our toys out of the pram when things don't go our way.
I agree completely that we've been found wanting in the one dayers but in my opinion that is when we get behind them all the more.
We're all different of course and it is very interesting to read your perspective on things,you must do whatever you think is right.
We didn't lose last night and are still in with a real chance of staying in the division.
Let's not over-react.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: 1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 11:14
Nit picking I know, but I think you will find that the cut off time was 10.27 prior to the ball changing, then was was taken to 10.29.
At the end of the day it was a tie.
Along with his bowling, I was very impressed with the ground fielding of Turner, and it even impressed Bob Willis.
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At the end of the day it was a tie.
Along with his bowling, I was very impressed with the ground fielding of Turner, and it even impressed Bob Willis.
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Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 11:16
Blimey, eh.....that was along ball change! 
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 11:18
Perhaps it was a very long ball
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Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: 1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 11:49
Even longer than Justin's field placing.
Must put my glasses on before hitting the keyboard.
Must put my glasses on before hitting the keyboard.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 13:33
I was fortunate in getting transport to the match played at Taunton yesterday afternoon / evening.
It was the first one-day game that I have witnessed in years, and frankly I will not be in a rush to see another. Something to do with age, I suppose!
I share the sentiments of what most contributors to this thread felt after watching the game, either on television or at the ground. I don't feel that there is much more that I can add, except that there were a number of people sitting close to me who were bemoaning the fact that Ian Blackwell was again absent. A number of very unhappy people, who genuinely felt that: - (a) he had fallen foul of our Antipodean captain, and (b) that he was almost certain to leave Somerset, with a heavy heart, at the end of this season. That was the feeling and genuine concern of the people who help to keep our club afloat financially and otherwise.
To continue to keep quiet on such a sensitive issue is a major public relations faux pas by Somerset. Much damage has been done in many quarters, and it is now too late (with only one Pro40 game remaining) to steady the ship.
Langer's captaincy last night was at the best bewildering, and at the worst inept. Likewise, the sloppy method of his early dismissal was an extremely poor example to set to his young (and some not so young) charges. I got the impression that Langer was not 'at home' with the one-day format of the game, and indeed I wonder from having watched a little County Championship cricket this year, whether he still has the dedication to Somerset cricket to build a long innings in the longer format of the game.
As was mentioned by AGod, I have in the past expressed my dislike of engaging captains from overseas. Firstly, they have no knowledge of the day-in, day-out grind of county cricket and secondly can, at the end of their contract, simply walk away having ruffled many feathers (not always for the best) and left their club in a far from happy state. I would here like to qualify that remark on overseas captains by stating that an exception to my dislike of engaging them was Graeme Smith. Not only was I impressed by his batting and leadership, but also by his general attitude and ‘off the field’ demeanour. He did a lot to motivate and nurture some of our young players but sadly he was only with us for a few weeks, and I doubt that we shall see his return.
Perhaps without Langer's influence as captain, both Matt Wood and Gareth Andrew would still have been on Somerset's books this year. Instead, we kept faith in both Keith Parsons and John Francis; I know which pair I would choose - the first!
Somerset's performances in one-day cricket this year would appear from the results to have been abysmal. Certainly, what I witnessed at first-hand last night was!
This is not only down to Langer. Messrs. Rose and Hurry must be accountable as well. Andy Hurry may well be a decent chap - I don't know him, but at the end of the day he can only deliver theories to the team, because he has no experience of cricket above club level. He has followed on from Mark Garaway, who never played a County Championship game and Kevin Shine. Having a string of ‘paper qualifications’ is not a substitute for being able to relay personal experiences to other players. What is needed is a combination of both.
Why do we constantly have to 'buy in' supplementary coaches who fly in from all parts of the globe to assist Mr. Hurry? Who is being conned here?
Once again, I am thankful that Millfield School is within the boundaries of Somerset, and has produced so many good cricketers. Millfield is our true academy.
I detest jingoism in any form, and at the start of the season Somerset were making many loud noises as to how well they were going to do in all competitions. Now, we are left with just two of the four competitions. We will be fortunate to stay up in the Pro40 Division 1 next year - the last one in which it will be played.
Also and sadly, I have no confidence that we will win the coveted County Championship this year. I sincerely hope that we do, but when I saw the 'rag bag' team that performed under such poor leadership last evening, I fail to see how they can suddenly switch into an aggressive, dedicated and 'up for it' unit overnight.
Whatever is or has been going on behind the scenes, it was apparent in the team's body language and general malaise last night that all was not as it should be.
Alas, I fear that it will be another disappointing season for Somerset's many members, supporters and friends.
It was the first one-day game that I have witnessed in years, and frankly I will not be in a rush to see another. Something to do with age, I suppose!
I share the sentiments of what most contributors to this thread felt after watching the game, either on television or at the ground. I don't feel that there is much more that I can add, except that there were a number of people sitting close to me who were bemoaning the fact that Ian Blackwell was again absent. A number of very unhappy people, who genuinely felt that: - (a) he had fallen foul of our Antipodean captain, and (b) that he was almost certain to leave Somerset, with a heavy heart, at the end of this season. That was the feeling and genuine concern of the people who help to keep our club afloat financially and otherwise.
To continue to keep quiet on such a sensitive issue is a major public relations faux pas by Somerset. Much damage has been done in many quarters, and it is now too late (with only one Pro40 game remaining) to steady the ship.
Langer's captaincy last night was at the best bewildering, and at the worst inept. Likewise, the sloppy method of his early dismissal was an extremely poor example to set to his young (and some not so young) charges. I got the impression that Langer was not 'at home' with the one-day format of the game, and indeed I wonder from having watched a little County Championship cricket this year, whether he still has the dedication to Somerset cricket to build a long innings in the longer format of the game.
As was mentioned by AGod, I have in the past expressed my dislike of engaging captains from overseas. Firstly, they have no knowledge of the day-in, day-out grind of county cricket and secondly can, at the end of their contract, simply walk away having ruffled many feathers (not always for the best) and left their club in a far from happy state. I would here like to qualify that remark on overseas captains by stating that an exception to my dislike of engaging them was Graeme Smith. Not only was I impressed by his batting and leadership, but also by his general attitude and ‘off the field’ demeanour. He did a lot to motivate and nurture some of our young players but sadly he was only with us for a few weeks, and I doubt that we shall see his return.
Perhaps without Langer's influence as captain, both Matt Wood and Gareth Andrew would still have been on Somerset's books this year. Instead, we kept faith in both Keith Parsons and John Francis; I know which pair I would choose - the first!
Somerset's performances in one-day cricket this year would appear from the results to have been abysmal. Certainly, what I witnessed at first-hand last night was!
This is not only down to Langer. Messrs. Rose and Hurry must be accountable as well. Andy Hurry may well be a decent chap - I don't know him, but at the end of the day he can only deliver theories to the team, because he has no experience of cricket above club level. He has followed on from Mark Garaway, who never played a County Championship game and Kevin Shine. Having a string of ‘paper qualifications’ is not a substitute for being able to relay personal experiences to other players. What is needed is a combination of both.
Why do we constantly have to 'buy in' supplementary coaches who fly in from all parts of the globe to assist Mr. Hurry? Who is being conned here?
Once again, I am thankful that Millfield School is within the boundaries of Somerset, and has produced so many good cricketers. Millfield is our true academy.
I detest jingoism in any form, and at the start of the season Somerset were making many loud noises as to how well they were going to do in all competitions. Now, we are left with just two of the four competitions. We will be fortunate to stay up in the Pro40 Division 1 next year - the last one in which it will be played.
Also and sadly, I have no confidence that we will win the coveted County Championship this year. I sincerely hope that we do, but when I saw the 'rag bag' team that performed under such poor leadership last evening, I fail to see how they can suddenly switch into an aggressive, dedicated and 'up for it' unit overnight.
Whatever is or has been going on behind the scenes, it was apparent in the team's body language and general malaise last night that all was not as it should be.
Alas, I fear that it will be another disappointing season for Somerset's many members, supporters and friends.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 13:59
I agree with much of what you say, Palairet, but feel compelled to question your inferences regarding Gareth Andrew and Matthew Wood. There is nothing to suggest that their absence is a result of choosing Keith Parsons and John Francis in preference to them. If anything, the latter pairs' absence from first team action demonstrate pretty clearly that the choice, if it was a choice, was between the incumbents and the fresh blood we have seen in the team this year. Perhaps your question should be re-postulated: Andrew and Wood or Thomas and De Bruyn?
Anyway, whathever the "choice", certainly Gareth Andrew did nothing last night to suggest that the decision in respect of him was a grave error. And Matthew Wood (currently approaching only his fourth championship fifty of the year) has hardly lit up Trent Bridge.
Anyway, whathever the "choice", certainly Gareth Andrew did nothing last night to suggest that the decision in respect of him was a grave error. And Matthew Wood (currently approaching only his fourth championship fifty of the year) has hardly lit up Trent Bridge.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 14:29
I concur with you FE re Parsy, and Palairet, an excellent post.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 14:50
I think some people are getting a little over excited about a below par performance in a competition that is in its death throes.
We're top of the CC and our destiny is in our own hands.
We all know we've lacked in the one dayers but once again I have to say that it is irrelevant in comparison to the holy grail.
A "rag bag team"doesn't perform and get results like we have in the last couple of seasons.
Just goes to show that you can't please all the people all the time.
Such is life.
We're top of the CC and our destiny is in our own hands.
We all know we've lacked in the one dayers but once again I have to say that it is irrelevant in comparison to the holy grail.
A "rag bag team"doesn't perform and get results like we have in the last couple of seasons.
Just goes to show that you can't please all the people all the time.
Such is life.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: comebackgatt (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 14:55
Well at least some of us were happy with the result, keeps Middx alive for a bit longer, although it looks like us v Worcs last match will be decider. Looking at the fixtures I I reckon you will beat Lancs last match to send them down, with the winner of our game going into the play offs and loser in Div 2 next season.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 15:22
I think some of us are become quite excited / disturbed at the contempt with which the club holds for its members.
Each first class match should be treated with equal desire and committment to win. Each game is equally important. Winning gives self-belief and confidence. Losing does the opposite.
Each first class match should be treated with equal desire and committment to win. Each game is equally important. Winning gives self-belief and confidence. Losing does the opposite.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 15:26
We didn't lose.
We're top of the table in the CC.
It doesn't get any better in my opinion.
Members held in contempt?
I don't see that myself,I don't know what you expect from them.
We're top of the table in the CC.
It doesn't get any better in my opinion.
Members held in contempt?
I don't see that myself,I don't know what you expect from them.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 15:31
I caught most of the Worces innings and while I felt extraordinarily deflated at the end (who else saw how long Banger stood with his hands on his head?), I have to say that it was a fantastic game.
So enjoyable and nice to be reminded how phenomenal it can be watching cricket under lights.
So enjoyable and nice to be reminded how phenomenal it can be watching cricket under lights.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 15:39
"and indeed I wonder from having watched a little County Championship cricket this year, whether he {Langer} still has the dedication to Somerset cricket to build a long innings in the longer format of the game."
He did say at the time that he quit all first-class cricket apart from SCCC that;
"I can now play, for perhaps the first time in my career with complete freedom."
That might suggest that he was thinking that he might be a bit more aggressive than before. In being more aggressive, his shot selection might not be what it once was?
He did say at the time that he quit all first-class cricket apart from SCCC that;
"I can now play, for perhaps the first time in my career with complete freedom."
That might suggest that he was thinking that he might be a bit more aggressive than before. In being more aggressive, his shot selection might not be what it once was?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 15:40
I watched every ball and thoroughly enjoyed it too bloke.
Of course there was a sense of "what could have been"at the end but for entertainment value it was top notch.
I still think we showed tremendous character getting back into it and putting ourselves in a winning position.
Of course there was a sense of "what could have been"at the end but for entertainment value it was top notch.
I still think we showed tremendous character getting back into it and putting ourselves in a winning position.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 15:46
A couple of other personal points from last night;
1) On a good note, I purchased a Banger benefit mug. Does anyone else have one of these? I was rather pleased with it. Thought about a Banger tie, but since I wear one about once a year, decided against.
2) I was sat in the new seats (the green ones). I'm afraid my enjoyment was somewhat spoiled by a group of infantile morons who took the stupid '4 and 6,' cards and kept them making them into paper aeroplanes and flying them off the top of the stand. I do not use the word infantile in a literal sense. Several struck people in the back of the head/neck, including some of them hitting young children and the elderly. Because these were made with thick card, not thin paper, they actually quite hurt when they hit people. Stewards and two useless police people were not even remotely interested in dealing with the matter on the basis of complaints from members of the public. It was only when instructions were radioed through from someone in authority that the cards were, finally, confiscated.
Might I suggest that the club refrain from handing out these cards in future? Might I further suggest that anyone that is more interested in getting drunk than watching the cricket confine themselves to the bars, so as not to distract those of us that are there to watch the game?
1) On a good note, I purchased a Banger benefit mug. Does anyone else have one of these? I was rather pleased with it. Thought about a Banger tie, but since I wear one about once a year, decided against.
2) I was sat in the new seats (the green ones). I'm afraid my enjoyment was somewhat spoiled by a group of infantile morons who took the stupid '4 and 6,' cards and kept them making them into paper aeroplanes and flying them off the top of the stand. I do not use the word infantile in a literal sense. Several struck people in the back of the head/neck, including some of them hitting young children and the elderly. Because these were made with thick card, not thin paper, they actually quite hurt when they hit people. Stewards and two useless police people were not even remotely interested in dealing with the matter on the basis of complaints from members of the public. It was only when instructions were radioed through from someone in authority that the cards were, finally, confiscated.
Might I suggest that the club refrain from handing out these cards in future? Might I further suggest that anyone that is more interested in getting drunk than watching the cricket confine themselves to the bars, so as not to distract those of us that are there to watch the game?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 15:53
If I can't wave pieces of card around when I'm watching cricket AG then how can I enjoy myself?
I saw this on television and it looked very messy,a shame the enjoyment of many can be ruined by the fools who seem to think their drunken larks are funny.
To take this a step further there have been huge problems in other sporting events,including horse racing where drunken behaviour has got out of hand.
Apparently this is going to be addressed by sports administrators.
A shame.
If you can't handle it don't drink it.
In public.
And if you can.
Get leathered.
And enjoy.
I saw this on television and it looked very messy,a shame the enjoyment of many can be ruined by the fools who seem to think their drunken larks are funny.
To take this a step further there have been huge problems in other sporting events,including horse racing where drunken behaviour has got out of hand.
Apparently this is going to be addressed by sports administrators.
A shame.
If you can't handle it don't drink it.
In public.
And if you can.
Get leathered.
And enjoy.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 15:59
Silly me, Jim, should have guessed you'd be an ardent card waver!
p.s There was also a near mutiny in the crowd when the stewards tried to eject a man who was sat on the steps to the side of the stand drinking quietly and minding his own business. This was after several requests on confiscate the cards from the paper pilots had been ignored. I do sympathise with the stewards in that the guy sitting where he was could have been a possible safety issue but I can also see why so many people around me became aerated about the treatment of this man, in view of the disinterest of the 'authorities,' in doing anything about the paper plane pilots.
p.s There was also a near mutiny in the crowd when the stewards tried to eject a man who was sat on the steps to the side of the stand drinking quietly and minding his own business. This was after several requests on confiscate the cards from the paper pilots had been ignored. I do sympathise with the stewards in that the guy sitting where he was could have been a possible safety issue but I can also see why so many people around me became aerated about the treatment of this man, in view of the disinterest of the 'authorities,' in doing anything about the paper plane pilots.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 16:10
In my past experience stewards are more inclined to "pick" on a single person than they are a rowdier pack.
That is why stewards for sporting events need to be properly trained with good man mangement/interpersonal skills.
I've seen stewards in Taunton physically move away from a group of drunken young men who were verbally abusing everyone.They should have dealt with the problem quietly and nipped it in the bud rather than ignore it and hope that somebody else would sort it out.
They should do their job properly and with a bit of common sense.
That is why stewards for sporting events need to be properly trained with good man mangement/interpersonal skills.
I've seen stewards in Taunton physically move away from a group of drunken young men who were verbally abusing everyone.They should have dealt with the problem quietly and nipped it in the bud rather than ignore it and hope that somebody else would sort it out.
They should do their job properly and with a bit of common sense.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Ww (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 16:11
Is it just me that thought "goaty" on the face of the male police officer really made him look stupid?
As for the planes, you had to be well aware of when they were coming because they looked a rather painful blow on the back of some peoples necks.
Although the club has found a new mascot, not the Thunderbird guy, but his mate! He got the crowd going which was good to see!
As for the planes, you had to be well aware of when they were coming because they looked a rather painful blow on the back of some peoples necks.
Although the club has found a new mascot, not the Thunderbird guy, but his mate! He got the crowd going which was good to see!
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 16:16
Is the Thunderbird chap anything to do with "Thunderbird wine"?
"Shall I mourn your decline'
with some Thunderbird wine,
and a black handkerchief"?
That stuff would gee the crowd up.
"Shall I mourn your decline'
with some Thunderbird wine,
and a black handkerchief"?
That stuff would gee the crowd up.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 16:19
Yes, WW, the policeman looked a prize prat. He was even less keen on actually doing anything than the stewards were.
As I commented on the night;
"You can see why they've sent him here as they don't want him around anywhere there really is serious trouble."
Other people said he was the most ineffectual copper they had ever seen.
As I commented on the night;
"You can see why they've sent him here as they don't want him around anywhere there really is serious trouble."
Other people said he was the most ineffectual copper they had ever seen.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 16:22
Sure it wasn't somebody in fancy dress?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 16:22
I got moved on by a steward, I was standing at the back of the rows of people at square leg, near the Ondaatje Pavilion. I wasn't in the way of anyone, the nearest person to me was about 2 metres away - I suspect it was health and safety or something.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Ww (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 16:32
The police man and woman were never going to do anything, just there for the show. Even if he had got hit on the head with a plane (which he almost did) he would of just turned his back and had a nice little chat with his collegue, fairplay to some of the stewards though, they were'nt taking any messing about, and to be honest, i wouldn't like to mess with most of them.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 16:44
Now it has been mentioned about drink I will post my views on what happened at the Gloucester match.
On Saturday the bottom seven rows of the new seats were opened to the public for the first time.
There were no toilets or bar near by so there was a constant stream of people going to either the Sir Botham stand or behind the old pavilion. Anybody sat in the front three rows of the new seat had to endure people walking in front of them while watching the cricket throughout the game.
Now drink.
A lot of drunks were drinking before coming into the ground; I saw some of them in the town before the match. While I was watching the match a family was coming away from the new seating area, as they past behind me a heard the lady say “I’ve had enough they are all drunk”.
One man was also escorted by stewards away from that area, also during the game the stewards were dashing from all direction and disappeared around the back, later I found out there were a group of drunks behind the old pavilion (not watching the cricket) causing trouble.
If they want to make cricket a family occasion something will need to be done.
I have had a report on last nights match and it was no better.
Apparently there was a fight in the car park, and as somebody said the new seating again was not all that pleasant for some. I don't know if this is true but i was told there were no extra security, I found that hard to believe.
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On Saturday the bottom seven rows of the new seats were opened to the public for the first time.
There were no toilets or bar near by so there was a constant stream of people going to either the Sir Botham stand or behind the old pavilion. Anybody sat in the front three rows of the new seat had to endure people walking in front of them while watching the cricket throughout the game.
Now drink.
A lot of drunks were drinking before coming into the ground; I saw some of them in the town before the match. While I was watching the match a family was coming away from the new seating area, as they past behind me a heard the lady say “I’ve had enough they are all drunk”.
One man was also escorted by stewards away from that area, also during the game the stewards were dashing from all direction and disappeared around the back, later I found out there were a group of drunks behind the old pavilion (not watching the cricket) causing trouble.
If they want to make cricket a family occasion something will need to be done.
I have had a report on last nights match and it was no better.
Apparently there was a fight in the car park, and as somebody said the new seating again was not all that pleasant for some. I don't know if this is true but i was told there were no extra security, I found that hard to believe.
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Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 16:45
Whilst I applaud your positive stance BJ, I don't think there is much to be gained by washing a dreadful one day season under the carpet !
Hope you won't mind me debating your observations from recent posts.
Specifically:
1) "I think some people are getting a little over excited about a below par performance",..........
Well, if it was just one performance then I would agree !
2)"in a competition that is in its death throes",..........
Surely that is irrelevant ? The Club made a big play of doing well in, (indeed aiming to win), the 40 over competition, especially after the 20/20 effort earlier in the year. To dismiss it as not mattering, is missing the point.
3) "We all know we've lacked in the one dayers but once again I have to say that it is irrelevant in comparison to the holy grail".............
I hope you're right here, but to believe that the gross inadequacies on display in the one dayers & the seeming discord in the camp, will have no 'knock on' effect in the Championship performances is optimistic at best !
4) Reply to Wurzel......."Members held in contempt? I don't see that myself,I don't know what you expect from them".
Well, to be honest, I do feel the Club are holding members in contempt re the Ian Blackwell situation.
If you market membership, substantially on the basis of IB being a fundamental part of the one day team, then surely it is entirely unreasonable to ignore the same membership when he is dropped for an extended period of time, with no reason given ?
As I said in an earlier post, why tarnish the four day achievements this season, with such an atmosphere of disharmony ?
Of course, I run the risk of making these observations from afar & without the benefit of actually watching the games, so my comments must obviously be qualified to that extent.
However, reading various reports of poor body language in the field, doesn't really give cause for encouragement. Grockle's remarks of "I still don't think Taunton is a happy place to play cricket and I was hoping never to say that again", are concerning & surely cannot be baseless ?
Fervently hope that the above observations are without foundation, and that we will all be one happy family at Season end (winning the Championship would obviously put things in a better perspective !).
I simply don't believe that the Club pretending that problems don't exist is the way to go.
Anyway, here's to walloping Notts & Durham !
Grizzzly
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Hope you won't mind me debating your observations from recent posts.
Specifically:
1) "I think some people are getting a little over excited about a below par performance",..........
Well, if it was just one performance then I would agree !
2)"in a competition that is in its death throes",..........
Surely that is irrelevant ? The Club made a big play of doing well in, (indeed aiming to win), the 40 over competition, especially after the 20/20 effort earlier in the year. To dismiss it as not mattering, is missing the point.
3) "We all know we've lacked in the one dayers but once again I have to say that it is irrelevant in comparison to the holy grail".............
I hope you're right here, but to believe that the gross inadequacies on display in the one dayers & the seeming discord in the camp, will have no 'knock on' effect in the Championship performances is optimistic at best !
4) Reply to Wurzel......."Members held in contempt? I don't see that myself,I don't know what you expect from them".
Well, to be honest, I do feel the Club are holding members in contempt re the Ian Blackwell situation.
If you market membership, substantially on the basis of IB being a fundamental part of the one day team, then surely it is entirely unreasonable to ignore the same membership when he is dropped for an extended period of time, with no reason given ?
As I said in an earlier post, why tarnish the four day achievements this season, with such an atmosphere of disharmony ?
Of course, I run the risk of making these observations from afar & without the benefit of actually watching the games, so my comments must obviously be qualified to that extent.
However, reading various reports of poor body language in the field, doesn't really give cause for encouragement. Grockle's remarks of "I still don't think Taunton is a happy place to play cricket and I was hoping never to say that again", are concerning & surely cannot be baseless ?
Fervently hope that the above observations are without foundation, and that we will all be one happy family at Season end (winning the Championship would obviously put things in a better perspective !).
I simply don't believe that the Club pretending that problems don't exist is the way to go.
Anyway, here's to walloping Notts & Durham !
Grizzzly
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Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:04
I did say "what do you expect" in the post Grizzz?
This is SCCC.
They have not overnight become the Friends of the Earth.
They are not known for their positive PR,they never have been.
Like I said in an earlier post,until somebody asks them,which I see you have done,to clarify the position then why should they disclose information that they don't think should be in the public domain.
It amazes me that a lot of you expect the club to suddenly become "user friendly".
Getting blood out of a stone would be how I describe my communication with them in the past.
Expect very little.
Everything else is a bonus.
And yes,I'd happily see success in the CC if it had to mean lack of success in the one day stuff.
Just my opinion.
This is SCCC.
They have not overnight become the Friends of the Earth.
They are not known for their positive PR,they never have been.
Like I said in an earlier post,until somebody asks them,which I see you have done,to clarify the position then why should they disclose information that they don't think should be in the public domain.
It amazes me that a lot of you expect the club to suddenly become "user friendly".
Getting blood out of a stone would be how I describe my communication with them in the past.
Expect very little.
Everything else is a bonus.
And yes,I'd happily see success in the CC if it had to mean lack of success in the one day stuff.
Just my opinion.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:10
Quote:Grizzzly
it is entirely unreasonable to ignore the same membership when he is dropped for an extended period of time, with no reason given
I'm afraid that saying no reason has been given is incorrect though, Grizzzly. We might not like the reason that's been given; we might not believe the reason that's been given; we may even find it laughable; but it has been given. He's out of nick, an Banks, Durston and Suppiah are better options.
As I was trying to suggest a few weeks back, the ridiculousness of that proposition implies that whilst it's not the real reason, it's all we're gonna get. That's not, and never was, me defending the Club's position or actions; just wondering whether there's any point continuing to ask for something we're not going to be given.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:21
Absolutely spot on FE.
If I was making the statement for the club it would be along the lines of;
"the management have highlighted their priorities this year and are striving to achieve their goals with the resources they have available.Whilst every game is obviously a priority the management must pick the strongest side they feel able given the game conditions and fitness of players.I thank you for your query and hope you enjoy the rest of the season"
"Have you visited the Club Store yet?
We supply a full range of kit for all members of the family,baby included.
You'll find us............"
You can see why I'm not in that sort of employment but you get the idea.
They'll tell us as little as possible.
It's the way it is I'm afraid.
If I was making the statement for the club it would be along the lines of;
"the management have highlighted their priorities this year and are striving to achieve their goals with the resources they have available.Whilst every game is obviously a priority the management must pick the strongest side they feel able given the game conditions and fitness of players.I thank you for your query and hope you enjoy the rest of the season"
"Have you visited the Club Store yet?
We supply a full range of kit for all members of the family,baby included.
You'll find us............"
You can see why I'm not in that sort of employment but you get the idea.
They'll tell us as little as possible.
It's the way it is I'm afraid.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:21
Fair & balanced responses BJ & FE.
SCCC's present approach seems to be 'let's all pretend it will all go away & no-one will notice' !
Grizzzly
SCCC's present approach seems to be 'let's all pretend it will all go away & no-one will notice' !
Grizzzly
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:25
Will the Washington Post do a feature on Chesterfieldgate?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:30
The point of my above gnomic post was that history shows us that not only the press but 'ordinary' folk can, if sufficiently determined produce a result agaist the most authoritarian regime. Not that I am for a moment describing Somerset CCC thus.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:34
FE " but it has been given. He's out of nick, an Banks, Durston and Suppiah are better options".
Is that before or after the clubs Headline on the 21st Aug.
Blackie bounces back with a ton.
Ian Blackwell produced a timely return to form with an unbeaten century on an excellent day for Somerset at the Rose Bowl.
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Is that before or after the clubs Headline on the 21st Aug.
Blackie bounces back with a ton.
Ian Blackwell produced a timely return to form with an unbeaten century on an excellent day for Somerset at the Rose Bowl.
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Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:39
I don't think the SAS could penetrate the inner sanctum of SCCC Bobs.
They play their cards pretty close top their chest,I don't think loyalty to members is high on their list of priorities.
They know there is an ever present cluster of members who'll always come back for more.
It's a business now don't ya know?
That's how they run it,like it or not.
They play their cards pretty close top their chest,I don't think loyalty to members is high on their list of priorities.
They know there is an ever present cluster of members who'll always come back for more.
It's a business now don't ya know?
That's how they run it,like it or not.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:42
Ah but that was in the Championship.
I didn't say it made sense, or that it was consistent!
I didn't say it made sense, or that it was consistent!
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:46
SCCC more authoritarian than the Tsarist regime in Russia, Jim?
Oh...Okay, you win!
Oh...Okay, you win!
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:54
I know FE it was tongue in cheek.
One thing I will say is if Blackwell is in form in one form of the game he would be in the other. that is not the case with all players.
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One thing I will say is if Blackwell is in form in one form of the game he would be in the other. that is not the case with all players.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 17:57
We got a tie out of a game we didn't really have a hope in and there needs to be a recognition that Zander, Alfonso, Omari, Mark T and to some extent Charl did what their captain asked them to in the second half of the game.
Not entirely to plan but close.
I'm not happy but let's accept that much at least
But Charl did look a bit jaded - he's put in sooo much for the cause this season.
As I'm going back to the world of Economics and Business studies within the next month I thought I'd point out the daftness of the Blackwell policy on purely commercial grounds.
Ian Blackwell is advertised as something to come and see. Punters come to see him. Not only do they NOT see him but what they do see is pretty ineffectual. They stop coming and our major source of income (the short games) dries up as the crowds decrease from 5.3K to somethhing under 3.
No basis on cricketing grounds (he can only show his form in the games they play him in and although his much improved perfromance was a Championship one - that's all they let him perform in),
No basis on commercial grounds
The only sensible basis for the policy is to entice an expensive item of the workforce to look for another position and decrease the wage outlay of the county. (But even that one doesn't work because they are presently having to pay TWO players to provide the same service in a team and they'd need to replace him with someone who may cost even more.
There is no logical basis for his non inclusion, it's sheer bloody mindedness and refusal to see what is in front of a certain Western Australian's face.
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Not entirely to plan but close.
I'm not happy but let's accept that much at least
But Charl did look a bit jaded - he's put in sooo much for the cause this season.
As I'm going back to the world of Economics and Business studies within the next month I thought I'd point out the daftness of the Blackwell policy on purely commercial grounds.
Ian Blackwell is advertised as something to come and see. Punters come to see him. Not only do they NOT see him but what they do see is pretty ineffectual. They stop coming and our major source of income (the short games) dries up as the crowds decrease from 5.3K to somethhing under 3.
No basis on cricketing grounds (he can only show his form in the games they play him in and although his much improved perfromance was a Championship one - that's all they let him perform in),
No basis on commercial grounds
The only sensible basis for the policy is to entice an expensive item of the workforce to look for another position and decrease the wage outlay of the county. (But even that one doesn't work because they are presently having to pay TWO players to provide the same service in a team and they'd need to replace him with someone who may cost even more.
There is no logical basis for his non inclusion, it's sheer bloody mindedness and refusal to see what is in front of a certain Western Australian's face.
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Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 18:43
Hear, hear, Lord Grockle.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: smallfrysom (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 19:32
Interesting that the Press dont ask questions or refer to Blackwells ommission. Not doing their job, the local press probably dont want to fall out of favour with the club but maybe national press could ask some questions(maybe its not that important to them).With regard to the hype/advertising on the official site and in the local press somtimes, thats all it is, "hype" to get punters in , after they're in who cares.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 19:56
That's advertising for you though.
They have a product and they want to sell it.
Punters come through the door,they spend money and everyone's happy.
They careth not who the money comes from,as long as it comes.
It'd be naive in the extreme to think that they give a monkies about us as supporters,we're there to keep the cash flow going.
Cynical but true.
They have a product and they want to sell it.
Punters come through the door,they spend money and everyone's happy.
They careth not who the money comes from,as long as it comes.
It'd be naive in the extreme to think that they give a monkies about us as supporters,we're there to keep the cash flow going.
Cynical but true.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 20:23
Ignoring the punters is a short term policy BJ.
Especially when the punters you are conning/ignoring are coming in to watch the one day stuff that we are urine poor at at the moment. This hasn't just happened in the Pro40. We weren't exactly brilliant in the FPT or the 20/20.
And soon we'll be in renewal season. The'everything on the Championship' policy had better work or there may be real problems at the regional and full AGMs
Especially when the punters you are conning/ignoring are coming in to watch the one day stuff that we are urine poor at at the moment. This hasn't just happened in the Pro40. We weren't exactly brilliant in the FPT or the 20/20.
And soon we'll be in renewal season. The'everything on the Championship' policy had better work or there may be real problems at the regional and full AGMs
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: smallfrysom (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 23:08
Theres never problems at area or county AGMs.. I stopped going because there was no anger shown by members when things were dire and the management carried on just the same
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2008 23:24
That's exactly the point isn't it Average?
The members won't kick off and cause trouble.
The vast majority of members don't want to cause problems,they'll mutter and grumble in private but when it comes to the crunch they go silent and doff their caps to the top table.
The senior figures at the club know we'll have a steady membership,they know that if they chuck some floodlights up and provide plenty of booze then the punters will come flooding in for the short format of the game.
There's the ECB money and the revenue from television that keep the business side of things ticking over.
I'm not complaining,this is the way things are.
I'm amazed that so many think that the club actually care about them,as individuals.
They'll tell us what they want us to hear and rely on us to keep on coming back to support the team we all love.
We'll never change it,there's too much money for the businessmen to lose to alter the Status Quo.
Which sounds to me like the perfect cue for me to shut up.
The members won't kick off and cause trouble.
The vast majority of members don't want to cause problems,they'll mutter and grumble in private but when it comes to the crunch they go silent and doff their caps to the top table.
The senior figures at the club know we'll have a steady membership,they know that if they chuck some floodlights up and provide plenty of booze then the punters will come flooding in for the short format of the game.
There's the ECB money and the revenue from television that keep the business side of things ticking over.
I'm not complaining,this is the way things are.
I'm amazed that so many think that the club actually care about them,as individuals.
They'll tell us what they want us to hear and rely on us to keep on coming back to support the team we all love.
We'll never change it,there's too much money for the businessmen to lose to alter the Status Quo.
Which sounds to me like the perfect cue for me to shut up.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 08:44
Quote from Big Jim: -
"We need a revolution,led by the fans telling these idiots that we don't have any faith in them and to get away from our sport and to get back into the tawdry world of business or wherever they came from.
Where do we start?
I'm serious."
So you must not shut up, Big Jim.
Like all good Boy Scouts, we must 'Be Prepared.'
I shall be with you all the way - cudgel at the ready!
"We need a revolution,led by the fans telling these idiots that we don't have any faith in them and to get away from our sport and to get back into the tawdry world of business or wherever they came from.
Where do we start?
I'm serious."
So you must not shut up, Big Jim.
Like all good Boy Scouts, we must 'Be Prepared.'
I shall be with you all the way - cudgel at the ready!
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: 1 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 10:13
Quote from BJ
to alter the Status Quo
Who wants to alter them anyway, I think they are great.
Joking aside, if certain posters feel so strongly about issues regarding the club, then they should write to the club or individual concerned.You are hardly going to get any answers on this forum only assumptions.
to alter the Status Quo
Who wants to alter them anyway, I think they are great.
Joking aside, if certain posters feel so strongly about issues regarding the club, then they should write to the club or individual concerned.You are hardly going to get any answers on this forum only assumptions.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 12:00
I get the impression that the selectors are focused on the CC. I don't give two hoots about the Pro40, I came down to enjoy the day, unlike many others who's main intention was to get battered.
We finally have a wicket!
We finally have a wicket!
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 16:18
I think some have tried that EverH and been stonewalled there as well.
BJ's comment about the ambivelance of the club are well founded but not a criticism of the club but of the supporting public who allow the club to operate that system without question.
The - "well we'll never get anywhere so what's the point but I'll moan about it" mode allows people taking our money to operate without regard for the punters. Partly because they know the suppoerters won't make their grievances known and partly because the apathy allows them to say "well no-one else seems worried about it".
But in the medium to long term that wears away loyalty and the supporting public may also become ambivelant at the same time a club needs them.
Writing and asking the question is always a good thing but many (including the local press it seems) are waiting to see if the policy brings us the Championship.
There is also the real situation that presently if you are allowed into the inner sanctum of the club (I'm not I'm afraid), and ask the wrong question you could find your nose damaged as the door is firmly shut in your face.
I don't think forum posters are expecting answers to come here EH. But we seem to be the only people discussing the issue though the smell of it mixes with the roast pork in the air at any one day game.
The 'elephant' is still in the room but it may move out if we hold the CC trophy on the 28th of September and never be heard of again in a membership forum.
BJ's comment about the ambivelance of the club are well founded but not a criticism of the club but of the supporting public who allow the club to operate that system without question.
The - "well we'll never get anywhere so what's the point but I'll moan about it" mode allows people taking our money to operate without regard for the punters. Partly because they know the suppoerters won't make their grievances known and partly because the apathy allows them to say "well no-one else seems worried about it".
But in the medium to long term that wears away loyalty and the supporting public may also become ambivelant at the same time a club needs them.
Writing and asking the question is always a good thing but many (including the local press it seems) are waiting to see if the policy brings us the Championship.
There is also the real situation that presently if you are allowed into the inner sanctum of the club (I'm not I'm afraid), and ask the wrong question you could find your nose damaged as the door is firmly shut in your face.
I don't think forum posters are expecting answers to come here EH. But we seem to be the only people discussing the issue though the smell of it mixes with the roast pork in the air at any one day game.
The 'elephant' is still in the room but it may move out if we hold the CC trophy on the 28th of September and never be heard of again in a membership forum.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 16:49
The 'elephant' is still in the room but it may move out if we hold the CC trophy on the 28th of September and never be heard of again in a membership forum. Thus spoke the Grockle and I think he is right. There is a lot riding on that possibility. I know that if we aat a stage when we need x points to win the championship i shall be down the 350 miles hot foot-even if we have been relegated in the prop 40 and no matter what the team is
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 18:13
I belive a lot of damage has been done to supporter relations this season. Never before have I considered going to a game to be too much hassle.
I have paid more money into the club this season than ever and seen much less cericket, so I'll have to have a re-think on next season.
I think that spectators for many types of sporting events are being taken for granted. It's about time better value for money was considered.
As for the Blackie situation, to cold shoulder such a popular character needs the skipper's form to be outstanding. He has been less than convincing in the 1 day stuff and I'd far rather see him go than Blackie.
I have paid more money into the club this season than ever and seen much less cericket, so I'll have to have a re-think on next season.
I think that spectators for many types of sporting events are being taken for granted. It's about time better value for money was considered.
As for the Blackie situation, to cold shoulder such a popular character needs the skipper's form to be outstanding. He has been less than convincing in the 1 day stuff and I'd far rather see him go than Blackie.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 18:35
Im tempted to agree with you Wurzel.
Whilst i think Justin has done a superb job in turning us around as a 4 day team i am starting to question him for the first time.
There is clearly an issue with Blacky, i think it is very poor the total lack of comment from the club on this issue. They are treating us like fools to try and say that he is dropped for cricketing reasons so there is obviously an internal issue they dont want to tell us. Whether it is personalities, fitness whatever it isnt helping the club.
Blacky is a fans favourite, whilst i'll admit he;s not the most athletic in our squad he is a game changer. He is an aggressive batsmen, capable of changing a game, and a very good containing bowler in both forms of the game.
I just wish that whatever is going on would get sorted.
We are in a great position now to win the championship for the first time ever. I know many have been waiting all there lives for us to be in with this chance and if its not taken due to internal conflicts it will be awful.
Come on Brian, Andy, get them all together and lets go for it as one happy team for these last 4 BIG games...
Whilst i think Justin has done a superb job in turning us around as a 4 day team i am starting to question him for the first time.
There is clearly an issue with Blacky, i think it is very poor the total lack of comment from the club on this issue. They are treating us like fools to try and say that he is dropped for cricketing reasons so there is obviously an internal issue they dont want to tell us. Whether it is personalities, fitness whatever it isnt helping the club.
Blacky is a fans favourite, whilst i'll admit he;s not the most athletic in our squad he is a game changer. He is an aggressive batsmen, capable of changing a game, and a very good containing bowler in both forms of the game.
I just wish that whatever is going on would get sorted.
We are in a great position now to win the championship for the first time ever. I know many have been waiting all there lives for us to be in with this chance and if its not taken due to internal conflicts it will be awful.
Come on Brian, Andy, get them all together and lets go for it as one happy team for these last 4 BIG games...
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 20:49
We've never actually been given any reason for his 'omission' WSM.
The inference from other comments is that he is out of form (not shown by his recent Championship performances) or his commitment is poor (so why pick him for the four day games?).
The other reason of developing one day players may be true but it has come to nothing if it was a policy. Arul has now been dropped, Wes is only in as a batsman and Omari has bowled fairly well but batted like a number eleven slogger who can't slog.
Their performances have suggested we needed a slow bowler who can contain with some batting yet Omari has NOT been 'omitted'.
All that suggests something else and that has to be a subjective reason based on??
The inference from other comments is that he is out of form (not shown by his recent Championship performances) or his commitment is poor (so why pick him for the four day games?).
The other reason of developing one day players may be true but it has come to nothing if it was a policy. Arul has now been dropped, Wes is only in as a batsman and Omari has bowled fairly well but batted like a number eleven slogger who can't slog.
Their performances have suggested we needed a slow bowler who can contain with some batting yet Omari has NOT been 'omitted'.
All that suggests something else and that has to be a subjective reason based on??
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Tony in the Pit of Despair (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 20:58
Has anyone picked up on the "strong suggestion" that Blackie has been offered megabucks to join a Midlands county as captain next season
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2008 21:14
He is still under contract next year.
If that makes any difference I don't know.
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If that makes any difference I don't know.
The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2008 12:20
I bet Ian's reading this and dying to comment.
I think that Richard Gould has brought too much football mentality into this club. So long as the punters pay their money...
I think that Richard Gould has brought too much football mentality into this club. So long as the punters pay their money...
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2008 12:48
Football mentality,that's a good point fRed.
I wondered why the players were throwing themselves all over the floor whenever somebody went near them.
And all this kissing when they take a wicket.
In my day we'd simply ignore the bowler and give him a good punch if he dared smile.
Them were t'days lad.
I wondered why the players were throwing themselves all over the floor whenever somebody went near them.
And all this kissing when they take a wicket.
In my day we'd simply ignore the bowler and give him a good punch if he dared smile.
Them were t'days lad.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2008 17:23
No "t" in the Yorkshire version of that statement BJ I'm afraid but "Them" should be spelled "Dem" and there should be an "EEEE" in front of it
If Ian has an offer on the table then it would be the height of pig headedness for the club to stand in his way and he should take it and run!
If Ian has an offer on the table then it would be the height of pig headedness for the club to stand in his way and he should take it and run!
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2008 17:26
And if he does, we should hang our collective SCCC heads in shame.
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2008 17:29
It was the Cumbrian version Grockle.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2008 17:43
Chesterfield mum would be pleased.
Is that where 'Dem'Dyke came from in Emmerdale farm?
Is that where 'Dem'Dyke came from in Emmerdale farm?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 10:33
Wurzel: I understand your penguins well enough, thank you, but I still try to make sense of the text of your signature, which you have used for some weeks now without apparently reading it yourself.
Have a look at it again and see if it is actually what you want to say - I am not challenging your opinion about FTM, by the way.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Have a look at it again and see if it is actually what you want to say - I am not challenging your opinion about FTM, by the way.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 11:28
Good point Lol been thinking the same myself.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 11:39
I have signatures turned off.
Have to change it to have a look.
Have to change it to have a look.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 11:43
I see what you mean.
Slightly sad to see yours LoL.
I thought it would say something like "Big Jim is my hero" or "I learnt all I know from Big Jim".
Can I put "BJ is best" or would that be pushing it?
Slightly sad to see yours LoL.
I thought it would say something like "Big Jim is my hero" or "I learnt all I know from Big Jim".
Can I put "BJ is best" or would that be pushing it?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 12:01
Will this do?
LoL
Survived sixty years without ever even having heard of BJ
LoL
Survived sixty years without ever even having heard of BJ
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 12:13
Is that the best you can do Lol?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 13:34
If you knock off the bit about LoL Rob that sounds spot on.
Think I'll have a bash at these signature things.
I thought you had to sign each post.
Obviously not.
Think I'll have a bash at these signature things.
I thought you had to sign each post.
Obviously not.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 14:48
... and to go back to my point about Wurzel's signature and for those who appreciate the niceties of our mother tongue, I relished a delicious apostrophical absence I spotted on a notice in a pub the other day. The gentlemen's loo was out of order downstairs and I was urged to "Use the Ladies upstairs". Which I did. Highly appreciated and absolutely free.
LoL
BJ taught me everything I've ever forgotten
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LoL
BJ taught me everything I've ever forgotten
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:09:01:14:57:58 by Loyal of Lhasa..
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 15:23
Interestingly (to some) today, I was discussing our plight with a customer I delivered to the Sunday we beat Notts. He told me that many of his friends were fed up with Somerset, at present. I assume he means the 1 day set-up.
I wonder if the club will face a rocky ride at this years AGM's.
Langer is far from popular.
I wonder if the club will face a rocky ride at this years AGM's.
Langer is far from popular.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 15:29
I like your new signature, Wurzel, though the penguins no longer enthrall me.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 16:59
I haven't used the ladies upstairs for a while LoL,I bet it was enjoyable.
It's odd Wurzel as everybody I talk to think Langer has done a fantastic job whilst agreeing that our one day form has suffered due to the pursuit of the CC.
At a time when the team is pushing for the CC for the first time ever I urge all real supporters to forget their little grumbles about the personal problems they may have with individuals and get behind the lads 100 %.I could say 110% but I fear somebody wouldn't let me forget it.
Let's get real and not cause problems when we should all be putting our energy into bringing home what is really important.
Have faith the club will sort out whatever issues there may be.
We have to.
Just support the boys.
Please.
It would be so sad if off field issues spoiled what could be a memorable year.
It's odd Wurzel as everybody I talk to think Langer has done a fantastic job whilst agreeing that our one day form has suffered due to the pursuit of the CC.
At a time when the team is pushing for the CC for the first time ever I urge all real supporters to forget their little grumbles about the personal problems they may have with individuals and get behind the lads 100 %.I could say 110% but I fear somebody wouldn't let me forget it.
Let's get real and not cause problems when we should all be putting our energy into bringing home what is really important.
Have faith the club will sort out whatever issues there may be.
We have to.
Just support the boys.
Please.
It would be so sad if off field issues spoiled what could be a memorable year.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 18:42
But surely, LoL, the penguins are the perfect illustration of the poster`s philosophy on life in general - and Somerset cricket in particular.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2008 23:10
Quote:cricketjerry-mouse
But surely, LoL, the penguins are the perfect illustration of the poster`s philosophy on life in general - and Somerset cricket in particular.
Yes, I love birds.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2008 22:16
Forget them now by all means BJ but don't forget them completely whether we win or lose the CC.
They need sorting and ignoring them because we have success will not make them go away.
They need sorting and ignoring them because we have success will not make them go away.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2008 22:20
I was attempting to say that we should forget them until the CC is out of the way Grockle.
Nothing worse in any sport than having a barney whilst games are taking part.
Nothing worse in any sport than having a barney whilst games are taking part.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2008 23:41
Maybe someone should mention that to certain members of our illustrious club?
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2008 10:14
I agree it has been handled in a very amateur fashion.
Having seen recent developments in rugby and football clubs I also follow it appears that SCCC is not alone in all matters of mismanagement.
Proof once more that businessmen and sport don't mix.
Having seen recent developments in rugby and football clubs I also follow it appears that SCCC is not alone in all matters of mismanagement.
Proof once more that businessmen and sport don't mix.
Re: Lost and Found Worcestershire Tie
Posted by: samaithai (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2008 10:23
That's right what you say Jim Curbishley/Keegan
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