"World" T20? Do me a favour!!
By Grockle et al
December 19 2015
In March next year a "world" event in cricket takes place that does a dishonour to 8 of the countries taking part who are not classified as equals in the tournament but have to fight once more to play with the 8 big boys of world cricket despite having earned the right to be in the competition on merit. Looks like one of the worse things you can do guys in order to try and develop is embarrass one of the top nations by suggesting you may be able to beat them.... or actually doing it.
Oman start their World T20 Cup journey on March 9 in India after qualifying against all the odds in a tournament in Scotland and Ireland in July 2015. This on the back of winning the Asia Cup against all comers earlier in the year. In order to be in India, this minnow of world cricket moved from 25th to 15th in the world rankings and played their hearts out against all the odds. They were not expected to win a single game in the qualifying tournament, At one time they were lying second in it needing only to beat the Scots to be in the Final.
And what is their reward for qualification? Do they get to play in a round robin with the 15 other sides where the top four are seeded and split between four groups, the second 4 are seeded and split between four groups and the rest make-up the other 8? Do they get to play one of the top four sides in the World irrespective of whether they get anywhere near winning against them? Do they get the "Japanese" opportunity to play their 'South Africa?' ? Is the contest set up to give these sides their 'day in the sun' and a story they can tell their grandkids of the day they played the best in the world irrespective of the result? Do they get the media event letting young Omani's watch their country fighting in a world class field for the top honour?
Well not really..... what they get is the chance to play in yet another 'qualifying' tournament before they can join the 'Super 10' or whatever it is called that are allowed to play for the real T20 World Cup. T20, the most equal, in this sense, format of the game, where minnows can beat superstars in 20 overs, where the top international sides can be humiliated on their day has been rendered as toothless as possible so that the usual suspects get to play their usual mates for the top stuff while the newcomers are marginalised into an also ran event where only TWO can move up to the main competition.
Oman, Hong Kong, Afghanistan, Holland, Ireland and Scotland must meet the 'bottom two' of the cricketing nations (Zimbabwe and Bangladesh) in the early tournament and have to win their part of that in order to be allowed into the rarified air of the final part of the competition. How this is supposed to develop world cricket is beyond me. It seems to maintain nothing but the status quo and give the smaller nations fighting to create a cricket base in their homelands almost nothing in reward for their efforts. Only two will get their chance to further their cause in the world, if that includes one of the new boys I'd be surprised. No chance of Afghanistan surprising Pakistan or Oman facing the Aussies it seems.
Why not one asks. What is a World Cup for? You see the Japanese beating South Africa in the Rugby World Cup and you know that has been 10 years in the making, the force of the Argentinians, the running of the Italians, the ball play of the Fijians and the power of the Samoans comes from playing the top nations in tournaments time and time again and learning more and more about how they tick and what a side needs to do to beat them. How is that happening in the 'Gentlemen's Club' of cricket? Ireland can beat England over 50 overs, are they so much poorer at the shorter form that they do not deserve the right to face their equals without 'qualifying' first?
For the up and coming in our sport, the new experiences will not come in 2016. They will play the people they usually play, they may beat one they haven't before but that will be it. Then they will settle down in front of their televisions and see reruns of the matches above the glass ceiling created by the top echelon. Same games, different venue and not one inch of forward progress.
Wasn't T20's brief to be better than this? Wasn't it supposed to reach the parts other formats could not reach? Shame it makes money really isn't it? Greed rules the game of cricket and until things like this travesty of a world event disappear and are replaced by more open and meritocratic versions you have to dispair for the game's future.
"World" T20? Do me a favour!!
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Date: 19/12/2015 11:09
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Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2015 14:11
Well said, Sir.
Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2015 18:02
Well said, indeed. We have to accept a new definition of "world", which actually means "having English as a major language and driving on the left". No other nations need apply.
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Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2015 14:09
You make a very powerful case, Grockle, which deserves a wider audience.
Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2015 01:39
Superb post Paul. If I could agree more than 100% I would.
Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2015 02:03
PS Curious that this aspect - this mighty value - of the game was actually cracked by a man with hardly any previous experience of cricket, who is now serving a life sentence in a US jail for fraud and sundry bad things.
Not suggesting for a moment that Allen Stanford is a good guy, but the Caribbean T20 really did seem like one of the things he got right.
Not suggesting for a moment that Allen Stanford is a good guy, but the Caribbean T20 really did seem like one of the things he got right.
Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2016 20:36
Realy all the ICC is interesting is creating a tournament where India play as many matches as possibe and are guaranteed to reach the final. They are managing the first (esp in the 50-over WC) and working on the second.
The groups and the schedule for the competition was not announced until less than 100 days beore the start of the tournament. A conspiracy theorist would suggest this was so late because they had to keep re-drawing the groups until India and pakistan were drawn in the same group and thus a fixture between these two was guaranteed
The groups and the schedule for the competition was not announced until less than 100 days beore the start of the tournament. A conspiracy theorist would suggest this was so late because they had to keep re-drawing the groups until India and pakistan were drawn in the same group and thus a fixture between these two was guaranteed
Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2016 03:02
Wasn't a draw made for the finalists between India and Pakistan?
Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2016 04:11
It's a farce but the sad thing is that sides like Oman are so grateful to be there that they don't particularly care and so are duped into thinking they matter by the sub continent and our English and semi English brethren.
It seems that in the background, because the ACC (Asian Cricket Council) has been increasing in regional power over the last few years, it has been disbanded as of the end of 2015 and Omani cricket is now under the direct control of the ICC along with UAE, Hong Kong, Nepal, Afghanistan and the other associates in the region.
Hmmmm......
It seems that in the background, because the ACC (Asian Cricket Council) has been increasing in regional power over the last few years, it has been disbanded as of the end of 2015 and Omani cricket is now under the direct control of the ICC along with UAE, Hong Kong, Nepal, Afghanistan and the other associates in the region.
Hmmmm......
World T20
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2016 12:37
Afghanistan v Scotland commences 2 pm (GMT) and is on Sky.
So should be a chance to see Josh Davey in action.
So should be a chance to see Josh Davey in action.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 14:10
Josh Davey seen for Scotland. No George Dockrell in the Ireland side tonight against the Mighty Oman who will field first.
Opening with a spinner and Lalcheta doesn't disappoint with a maiden. But Khan (who shouldn't be playing IMO) goes for 12 off his first.
Opening with a spinner and Lalcheta doesn't disappoint with a maiden. But Khan (who shouldn't be playing IMO) goes for 12 off his first.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 14:23
If anyone is watching, ask yourself who Munis Ansari bowls like..... no prizes.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 14:33
Next time someone asks me whether Oman can play cricket I will refer them to the dismissal of Sterling by Zeeshan Maqsood. If you see a better catch than that in this tournament it will be a stunning one.
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Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 14:56
Debutant and old crock of a captain say goodbye to Porterfield - enticed and stumped. Well done Khawar Ali and Sultan Ahmed. 86 for 2 after 12.
Ireland need to put the foot down.
Ireland need to put the foot down.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 15:11
Niall O'Brien top edges one, cramped for room by Ansari and Ireland are 112 for 3 with 5 to go. The Somerset O'Brien is now in.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 15:16
Munis!!!!! Wilson castled at 118. Great last over by Ansari.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 15:42
Munis v O'Brien.... Munis!! And the ex SCCC man looked like a dope as he got it completely wrong.
Looks like the Red Machine will be chasing 155. A bit too far but they didn't look out of place in this game.
Looks like the Red Machine will be chasing 155. A bit too far but they didn't look out of place in this game.
Re: World T20
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 15:42
Three excellent and well-contested matches before this one in the Patronise-The-Little-Guys Cup.
Well done Oman on keeping Ireland's powerful batting down to 154, and what a catch!
Ansari doesn't quite have the menace of his arm-alike, but looks a useful performer.
Well done Oman on keeping Ireland's powerful batting down to 154, and what a catch!
Ansari doesn't quite have the menace of his arm-alike, but looks a useful performer.
Re: World T20
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 16:17
β¦and the chap who caught the catch can bat a bit too.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 16:22
And 39 for 0 off 5 keeps me watching with hope intact Mike. Zeeshan is a good opener, if they don't take him seriously he will punish them. I'm not sure we have the depth though.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 16:27
50 off 7 and Khawar hits the first Omani 6!!
Re: World T20
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 16:27
Well I'm enjoying you guys thrashing it around.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 16:42
It's what they like to do Nailsea. 155 is not a huge score in Omani leagues. They do tend to thrash though and now Maqsood has gone it may slow.
Jatinder Singh is the purest batsman they have - he was picjed as one of the top eleven in the qualifiers and is accepted as one of the best in the minor countries, But he has to bat through and others have to stay with him.
Well done to Kev though. He has certainly changed the impetus. Nice to see it's a contest though and it is still most definitely ON
Jatinder Singh is the purest batsman they have - he was picjed as one of the top eleven in the qualifiers and is accepted as one of the best in the minor countries, But he has to bat through and others have to stay with him.
Well done to Kev though. He has certainly changed the impetus. Nice to see it's a contest though and it is still most definitely ON
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 16:52
Like other sides, the middle order has to play with more intelligence. It's not a slog if you do it right.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 16:54
Oh dear 80 for 1 becomes 90 for 5 and the game goes with it I think.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 16:55
Yes, they have lost their way a bit and slowed down. Any late order big hitters to come, they may need them.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 17:11
Not quite Grockle, Tim Murtagh and Mr Ali giving them a chance
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 17:16
Saeed Amir Ali is the quietest guy you could imagine. He just nurdles and then snmashes stuff.
Brilliant 5 run save - could be the difference
Brilliant 5 run save - could be the difference
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 17:21
Singh is gone. That's the cool man under pressure out of the equation and Rankin might have just won this for his country
Oh dear it's going a bit pear shaped. Been here at home!!
Oh dear it's going a bit pear shaped. Been here at home!!
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 17:29
This just keeps twisting and turning!!! Well played Amir Ali
Re: World T20
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 17:31
Pear or peach?
Wonderful match. Oman thoroughly deserved their victory.
Wonderful match. Oman thoroughly deserved their victory.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 17:32
Fantastic stuff, last ball karma for the non snick of Mr Ali. Not the most sensible last over by the irish:-)
Re: World T20
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 17:45
What an incredible finish. OK incompetence featured on both sides, but what excitement.
Bravo Oman. What a wonderful cameo from the chubby man with the glasses who looked like the comic relief - so glad he got MoM.
Guess that's it for Ireland then.
I wish Murtagh had bowled like that at Taunton a couple of years ago.
Bravo Oman. What a wonderful cameo from the chubby man with the glasses who looked like the comic relief - so glad he got MoM.
Guess that's it for Ireland then.
I wish Murtagh had bowled like that at Taunton a couple of years ago.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 18:14
Yes thought he would be the difference at the end. I think Amir's appearance fools people on a pretty regular basis.... just the man they needed when he came in.
This is stupendous... Once again people just don't know how big this is. Ireland are THE side to beat for the smaller nations. Oman are 29th.... or were 6 months ago.
It was mentioned on screen here as well. This side averages over 30 in terms of age. They need new blood. What better way to get it than to get themselves on telly and beat some big boys.
Holy Cow that was a surprise. But Sorenson got his 'death' bowling as wrong as it could be and Oman just kept coming.
It once again showed the need for the middle order to be intelligent rather than slog. Panic set in and only Jatinder's calm (too calm though) and Ali's creativity got them there in the end.
Can they beat Bangladesh though? Because this tournament doesn't reward hard work unless you are one of the "top 8" sides who will play in the "real" World Cup.
This is stupendous... Once again people just don't know how big this is. Ireland are THE side to beat for the smaller nations. Oman are 29th.... or were 6 months ago.
It was mentioned on screen here as well. This side averages over 30 in terms of age. They need new blood. What better way to get it than to get themselves on telly and beat some big boys.
Holy Cow that was a surprise. But Sorenson got his 'death' bowling as wrong as it could be and Oman just kept coming.
It once again showed the need for the middle order to be intelligent rather than slog. Panic set in and only Jatinder's calm (too calm though) and Ali's creativity got them there in the end.
Can they beat Bangladesh though? Because this tournament doesn't reward hard work unless you are one of the "top 8" sides who will play in the "real" World Cup.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 19:14
Ireland threw that away - one of the worst last overs I've ever seen...
Re: World T20
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 19:59
Sp- I agree.
The dew did mean it was a bit like bowling a bar of soap, but even so, if Pakistan had bowled that last over all sorts of people would be casting all sorts of aspersions.
The dew did mean it was a bit like bowling a bar of soap, but even so, if Pakistan had bowled that last over all sorts of people would be casting all sorts of aspersions.
Re: World T20
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2016 23:32
Was that last over Sorensen's Boswell moment? Well played Oman... The result was not undeserved atall
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2016 04:58
Watching Holland v Bangladesh this morning I can't see this continuing. Oman are too inexperienced to beat both of them. They have the resources but it needs 'international sharpening' in the field and in the tactics.
It's better than I expected already. I thought Holland were a possible but Ireland would be too much. Are the men in green the 'chokers' of the second level? They always have awful starts to these tournaments. They struggled in the qualifier as well.
It's better than I expected already. I thought Holland were a possible but Ireland would be too much. Are the men in green the 'chokers' of the second level? They always have awful starts to these tournaments. They struggled in the qualifier as well.
Re: World T20
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2016 09:37
All Somerset opening bowling attack for Scotland today against Zimbawbe!
Re: World T20
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2016 10:33
Watching Leask for the first time - tall lad, good high action - tho I have to say he looks like mirror-image of Dockrell to me.
But a great recovery catch in the deep - dropped a fairly straightforward one but recovered to dive and keep hold before it went for six.
But a great recovery catch in the deep - dropped a fairly straightforward one but recovered to dive and keep hold before it went for six.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2016 12:49
Josh putting up a fantastic innings in some fightback.
6,4,6 can Scotland beat Zim?
6,4,6 can Scotland beat Zim?
Re: World T20
Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2016 13:05
And it's all over - lost by 11 runs.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2016 18:53
Very pleased to see that max is getting some pre-season match time for Zim .it's always good to have another international in the squad.
Re: World T20
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2016 19:19
Quote:Streeter
Very pleased to see that max is getting some pre-season match time for Zim. it's always good to have another international in the squad.
Nice one Streeter.
So it's a straight shoot-out between Zimbabwe and Afghanistan for one place; meanwhile Ireland have to beat Bangladesh to have a chance of getting the other one on NRR. I can't fancy Oman to beat Bangladesh any more than Grockle does - but who fancied Ireland to beat Pakistan in 2007?
One of the many pities of this pathetic excuse for a competition is that there are excellent reasons for wanting to see every one of the little guys get through, so no matter who qualifies there will be six reasons for feeling sad against two for feeling good.
Nice one ICC.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 06:08
Pitiful is a good description. The sidelining of any small nation glory from the main competition makes you want to see the smallest nations qualify just to stuff it to the arrogant ICC.
I can see Afghanistan getting past Zimbabwe - and those in that side of the 'Super 10' should be afraid of what that side can do on their day.
I can't see Oman passing Bangladesh, or Holland for that matter. But Oman have done what many haven't and won a World Cup match at their first outing against credible opposition.
As I wrote earlier this year this is NOT a World Cup. It is a 'Elite' Cup which the rest of the 'World' of cricket have been allowed to spectate at.
It's a joke
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I can see Afghanistan getting past Zimbabwe - and those in that side of the 'Super 10' should be afraid of what that side can do on their day.
I can't see Oman passing Bangladesh, or Holland for that matter. But Oman have done what many haven't and won a World Cup match at their first outing against credible opposition.
As I wrote earlier this year this is NOT a World Cup. It is a 'Elite' Cup which the rest of the 'World' of cricket have been allowed to spectate at.
It's a joke
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Re: World T20
Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 10:45
It is indeed 'a joke'.
When other sports seem to be trying their utmost to welcome and improve 'smaller' countries, it is almost if the powers that be are trying to exclude the 'minnows'.
When other sports seem to be trying their utmost to welcome and improve 'smaller' countries, it is almost if the powers that be are trying to exclude the 'minnows'.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 12:12
If they could be arranged then any ICC-ratified cricket tournament would consist of India playing every other nation, before playing Pakistan (again) in the final.
It isn't a global sporting tournament. It's a marketing event to sell cement/motor scooters/carbonated drinks to a billion Indians.
If it was a sporting tournament it might spare a thought for those wanting to actually watch the matches. As it is, its just a mechanism for political points scoring.
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It isn't a global sporting tournament. It's a marketing event to sell cement/motor scooters/carbonated drinks to a billion Indians.
If it was a sporting tournament it might spare a thought for those wanting to actually watch the matches. As it is, its just a mechanism for political points scoring.
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Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 13:22
I think that now the Oman Holland game is done I do not think Holland can qualify
Ireland must play tonight and beat Bangladesh (doesn't look hopeful)
So....on Sunday Holland and Ireland might play for the wooden spoon and Oman and Bangladesh play 'winner takes all' and a date with Australia and others!!
Who'd have thunk it.
If the whole thing gets rained off then I have no idea what happens. Because both the Tigers and the Red Machine will have 4 points each.
Ireland must play tonight and beat Bangladesh (doesn't look hopeful)
So....on Sunday Holland and Ireland might play for the wooden spoon and Oman and Bangladesh play 'winner takes all' and a date with Australia and others!!
Who'd have thunk it.
If the whole thing gets rained off then I have no idea what happens. Because both the Tigers and the Red Machine will have 4 points each.
Re: World T20
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 13:43
I think if Ireland v Bangladesh and Bangladesh v Oman are both rained off, Bangladesh will squeeze through on net run rate (+0.4 vs +0.28)
If Afghanistan v Zimbabwe goes the same way, Afghanistan will qualify in similar fashion.
If Afghanistan v Zimbabwe goes the same way, Afghanistan will qualify in similar fashion.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 15:42
Unfortunately, you are correct Bagpuss.
We all know what is going on, and I just wonder whether if MCC, Australia, NZ, SA, WI, SL and whoever wants to join us were to get together and say, enough is enough, we are going to play our game; you are welcome to play with us or otherwise PO, what would happen.
Would BCCI really make so much money and, thus, be so powerful, just playing against Pakistan?
We all know what is going on, and I just wonder whether if MCC, Australia, NZ, SA, WI, SL and whoever wants to join us were to get together and say, enough is enough, we are going to play our game; you are welcome to play with us or otherwise PO, what would happen.
Would BCCI really make so much money and, thus, be so powerful, just playing against Pakistan?
Re: World T20
Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 16:05
Early days in this match, but 'our'O'Brian seems a bit lacking....
Re: World T20
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 17:04
The thing is Phil the Indian government won't let them play against Pakistan except in global tournaments - so no bilateral series (they were meant to play an away series v Pakistan before Chreistmas but that all fell through) and Pakistan players are unable to play in the IPL because thay cannot get visas to travel to India.
So if everyone refused to play their games Indian cricket would be a year-long IPLfest. Trouble is at least in the short term this would feed the masses - and the coffers - so individual players from other nations would probably sign up to play.
Its all an unholy mess and the big 3 takeover has a lot to answer for - including our erstewhile chairman.
So if everyone refused to play their games Indian cricket would be a year-long IPLfest. Trouble is at least in the short term this would feed the masses - and the coffers - so individual players from other nations would probably sign up to play.
Its all an unholy mess and the big 3 takeover has a lot to answer for - including our erstewhile chairman.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 17:15
But if all the other cricketing nations, including associates, were to let BCCI play with themselves (figuratively speaking, wunch of bankers), would they not simply get bored and, short term cash notwithstanding, would not the masses not come back to proper cricket?
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 19:34
I just hope that the games tomorrow and Sunday happen without rain. This was the best result for the Omanis. If they have one good game in them it needs to be on Sunday. The same doesn't go for the Afghans... they have more than one game in them.
Bangladesh look strong though and so they should.
Bangladesh look strong though and so they should.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2016 19:41
Phrench Phil, your recent post reminds me of one of my favourite crowd chants at Ipswich Town in the days before referees were professional:
'The referee's a banker',
as indeed he was.
'The referee's a banker',
as indeed he was.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2016 09:29
So Afghanistan get the first (and best) chance to rub the ICC's nose in it.
It seems that the Afghans have the best victory percentage in T20 cricket at about 62%
It seems that the Afghans have the best victory percentage in T20 cricket at about 62%
Re: World T20
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2016 10:34
My perception, PP, from having attend an IPL match a few years ago (I was in Bangalore to speak at a conference) was that the great majority of spectators didn't love cricket, as such. It was simply that a big cricket match is the most fun you can have in a city like Bangalore - when I asked those sitting near me why they were there, they said that it was because of the atmosphere (and, of course, if enough people go because of the atmosphere, they are going to make sure that there is an exciting atmosphere). So, I don't think that Indians crowds would get bored if they were only to get to see their fellow-countrymen (even if it were realistic to expect that to happen).
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2016 11:13
187 is a BIG ask for the Zims. 77 from the last 5 overs for Afghanistan. They really are a tough T20 unit.
I hope they get through because they could cause England especially a LOT of trouble
I hope they get through because they could cause England especially a LOT of trouble
Re: World T20
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 12:40
IfIreland win this 6 over game they can thank George ( 2 overs 3 for 7)
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 14:13
Here we go then. David v Goliath (though this is probably the wrong place to make that analogy). Bangladesh should walk this but it looks like mid winter there.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 14:25
The fielding has to be better for a small side against a more experienced one. Sharp as knives or they'll be out, in your back and cutting your throat from the other side. No quarter given for inexperience at this kind of level.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 15:18
Now Iqbal (another one!!) is starting to move this away from the Omani . 160 70 on or this game if not more. But they have got a second one at 139 so no dishonour in losing this one to their first full member opposition.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 15:40
Well played Tamim Iqbal. That is a quality 100 against any opposition. Well bowled Bilal Khan 4 overs for just over 20 at a batsman in form
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 15:44
30 too many for the Omanis I'm afraid but what a ride I been for this year.
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Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 15:55
Good to see all the Omanis congratulating Tamim as they walked off.
I suppose Ireland going out means we'll be losing the excellent Kyle McCallan from the commentary team.
I suppose Ireland going out means we'll be losing the excellent Kyle McCallan from the commentary team.
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Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 15:59
I must say his analysis just now on how to bowl at Tamim Iqbal was excellent.
Would make a good county coach, as Sky only seem to use him for Ireland games.
Would make a good county coach, as Sky only seem to use him for Ireland games.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 16:06
Maqsood gone early so that is that I am afraid. He is their baseline batsman and without him 181 is a universe away.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 17:08
Rain will do for this game. Omani only 19 runs behind on D/L but the class was obvious this evening and it was Bangladeshi.
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Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2016 19:16
Got to say Ireland and Scotland were pretty poor in this mini pre-tournament. A lot of their cricket far below what I'd expected from them - may not bode well for others from these islands...
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Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 14/03/2016 11:18
England playing their final warm up match today at the Brabourne Stadium against a Mumbai XI which is becoming nor English than Indian. The home team include Vince, Buttler, Rashid and Willey in their line up.
England make 177/8. Root top scorer with 48. Two wickets for Rashid and three for Willey - a hat-trick off the final three balls of the innings.
England make 177/8. Root top scorer with 48. Two wickets for Rashid and three for Willey - a hat-trick off the final three balls of the innings.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/03/2016 13:07
The comment 'mini pre tournament sums up the whole thing.
That 'mini pre tournament' WAS the first part of the T20 World Cup - supposedly. Did anyone really believe that?
That 'mini pre tournament' WAS the first part of the T20 World Cup - supposedly. Did anyone really believe that?
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Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/03/2016 16:41
Morgan only faced fifteen balls but undid some of the good work done by the earlier batsmen.
The England bowlers took a hammering from the South African batsmen.
The England bowlers took a hammering from the South African batsmen.
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Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 18/03/2016 18:32
South African bowlers took a hammering too .
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Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 18/03/2016 19:53
One helluva run chase by England. Showed some balls!
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Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 19/03/2016 10:12
An exciting match featuring a batch of stunning batting efforts and the most spectacularly bad combined bowling effort I've ever seen from two top international teams!
I know I said I didn't care who won this tournament, but it's still been good seeing India and Australia lose.
I know I said I didn't care who won this tournament, but it's still been good seeing India and Australia lose.
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Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 19/03/2016 10:48
I thought playing in the IPL was meant to improve your T20 cricket (well that's what Eoin Morgan says every time he uses it as his 'pass' to avoid having to play county cricket in England in April and May)
So, on that basis India should win the competition hands down.
I'm hoping they don't get out of the group stage. If that happens I wonder if they'll have a 'too many foreigners in our domestic competition' inquiry. (well, that's what England would do under such circumstances- always has to be a reason- we haven't changed things for at least five minutes, etc, etc)
So, on that basis India should win the competition hands down.
I'm hoping they don't get out of the group stage. If that happens I wonder if they'll have a 'too many foreigners in our domestic competition' inquiry. (well, that's what England would do under such circumstances- always has to be a reason- we haven't changed things for at least five minutes, etc, etc)
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Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/03/2016 12:18
Agree with mikeindex about both teams' bowling π±π±π±
Chunky: it depends who beats us...when it was the Windies, we needed fast bowlers, when it was in India we needed better spinners, when it was Warne, we needed leggies...plus ca change!
Always confusing when we win - don't know who to blame...
Chunky: it depends who beats us...when it was the Windies, we needed fast bowlers, when it was in India we needed better spinners, when it was Warne, we needed leggies...plus ca change!
Always confusing when we win - don't know who to blame...
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Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/03/2016 12:32
Always confusing when we win - don't know who to blame...
I blame the Government they can't get nothing right.
I blame the Government they can't get nothing right.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/03/2016 15:15
And I'm absolutely stunned that people in England seem to be surprised by this....
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Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 19/03/2016 19:18
I do find it very interesting about the policy regarding English players taking part in IPL.
I have never been a fan of Kevin Pieterson's ideas and views although acknowledging his wonderful skills. Now we have Jos Butler apparently authorised to preach the gospel that as many English players as possible should "improve" their skills by trying to get in the IPL, apparently without any sanctions from the ECB. One can understand KP spitting blood again.
Old Boy!!
I have never been a fan of Kevin Pieterson's ideas and views although acknowledging his wonderful skills. Now we have Jos Butler apparently authorised to preach the gospel that as many English players as possible should "improve" their skills by trying to get in the IPL, apparently without any sanctions from the ECB. One can understand KP spitting blood again.
Old Boy!!
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Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 20/03/2016 02:51
Buttler you mean!!!
Old timers setting in?
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Old timers setting in?
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Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 20/03/2016 08:47
If he's preaching the ECB line it has nothing to do with preaching about improving skills and everything to do with marketing the T20 as the only form of cricket worth playing.
All this in order for them to remove the rest of the game and impose the short form on everyone as the only form.
The IPL cures cancer and makes yer hair grow back....didn't anyone tell you this OB!
All this in order for them to remove the rest of the game and impose the short form on everyone as the only form.
The IPL cures cancer and makes yer hair grow back....didn't anyone tell you this OB!
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Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 20/03/2016 17:17
My view is that nothing is gained by encouraging our players to support the IPL.
Jos seems to me is being encouraged to concentrate on one day skills when I still believe he could become a top four English test player.
Old Boy!
Jos seems to me is being encouraged to concentrate on one day skills when I still believe he could become a top four English test player.
Old Boy!
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Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 20/03/2016 18:03
Pulled hamstring for Gayle, who was unable to bat against Sri Lanka.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2016 10:50
Told ya England might struggle against Afghanistan. Nabi is a very good bowler.
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Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2016 11:11
Eoin Morgan is about as much use as an ice cream van at Chester-le-steet in April.
Not brave enough to post that on MTWD, so it may as well go here!
Not brave enough to post that on MTWD, so it may as well go here!
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2016 13:00
A very large sigh of relief from the English and another indication that this organised tournament for the lads has insulted the smaller nations who could have made this far more exciting if they had been included rather than excluded.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2016 17:46
Bye bye, BCCI, you completely, totally and utterly worthless hacks.
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Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2016 17:54
If that outburst is based on the current game Agod, some how India pulled it back from the brink
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2016 17:59
Ah, but how can the game have been so close?
Surely the Banglas should have bowed down before the Sultans of arrogance and avarice?
IN all seriousness very frustrating that the Banglas choked it away.
Surely the Banglas should have bowed down before the Sultans of arrogance and avarice?
IN all seriousness very frustrating that the Banglas choked it away.
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Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 25/03/2016 20:03
Sadly, it would appear that one or other of Australia and India is sure to be in the semis.
England have to beat SL to qualify; if they lose they are out regardless of the result in the other match, respective NRRs being what they are (largely down to AB's 29 in an over off the young Afghan leggie after the other leggie dropped a sitter in the previous over).
The odds are that Bangladesh and Afghanistan will both lose their final matches (both are up against sides with 100% records to date), and their 0/4 records will be held up by certain people as a reason for continuing to discriminate against the so-called "minnows". (Perhaps, by analogy, the Irish/Omani/etc commentators should start referring to the big cricketing countries as "sharks").
It should be seen as a real measure of Afghanistan's progress that this time they go home, not relieved at having avoided humiliation, but hugely frustrated at having thrown away (or had taken away) winning chances in all three of their matches against the sharks. It won't be, of course, at least not by the people who make the decisions.
England have to beat SL to qualify; if they lose they are out regardless of the result in the other match, respective NRRs being what they are (largely down to AB's 29 in an over off the young Afghan leggie after the other leggie dropped a sitter in the previous over).
The odds are that Bangladesh and Afghanistan will both lose their final matches (both are up against sides with 100% records to date), and their 0/4 records will be held up by certain people as a reason for continuing to discriminate against the so-called "minnows". (Perhaps, by analogy, the Irish/Omani/etc commentators should start referring to the big cricketing countries as "sharks").
It should be seen as a real measure of Afghanistan's progress that this time they go home, not relieved at having avoided humiliation, but hugely frustrated at having thrown away (or had taken away) winning chances in all three of their matches against the sharks. It won't be, of course, at least not by the people who make the decisions.
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Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 25/03/2016 20:26
β¦ incidentally, I see that in the ODI (50-over) world rankings, Bangladesh are currently seventh, ahead of Pakistan and West Indies. Wonder how this will affect the format of the next World Cup.
On consideration, probably not much, as Bangla are already in the murky hinterland (?estuary) that separates sharks and minnows, and WI are very close to it in every format but T20 - so which one has to be ostracised (the unkindest cut of all) probably won't matter too much.
On consideration, probably not much, as Bangla are already in the murky hinterland (?estuary) that separates sharks and minnows, and WI are very close to it in every format but T20 - so which one has to be ostracised (the unkindest cut of all) probably won't matter too much.
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Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/03/2016 17:30
What a good game by both sides.
England deserve to win with that score.
England deserve to win with that score.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2016 05:20
Good to see them not breaking under the pressure and pushing through for the win. Excellent game.
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Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2016 13:02
Jos Buttler moved up considerably higher in my esteem at the end of yesterday`s fantastic match.
The other England players naturally rushed to gather round Ben Stokes with whoops of joy.
Jos, however, deliberately went out of his way to the edge of the square to console Angelo Matthews, who had batted quite brilliantly on one leg in a bid to see his side home.
The other England players naturally rushed to gather round Ben Stokes with whoops of joy.
Jos, however, deliberately went out of his way to the edge of the square to console Angelo Matthews, who had batted quite brilliantly on one leg in a bid to see his side home.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2016 14:02
"Afghanistan deserve to be at this level they have looked at home here"
The reason for that sir is that they qualified to be here and then had to go through the insult of having to qualify again to play against sides they have been in competition with in every game.
Why weren't Ireland - who have shown far more in the past and the Netherlands - who have also taken the big sides on and won given the same opportunity? Why wasn't this a "World Cup"?
ICC you are an embarrassment as the body responsible with developing the game. BCCI you deserve to have Australia beat your side tonight to make it a non Asian top 4.
This has been manipulated to keep the small sides small and the money in the sub-continent well TV has shown the first as a lie....let's hope tonight puts paid to their other plan. They should be ashamed....but they aren't
Well done Afghanistan and Bangladesh who both looked like sides who ought to be in the top 16 if not the top 8.....
The reason for that sir is that they qualified to be here and then had to go through the insult of having to qualify again to play against sides they have been in competition with in every game.
Why weren't Ireland - who have shown far more in the past and the Netherlands - who have also taken the big sides on and won given the same opportunity? Why wasn't this a "World Cup"?
ICC you are an embarrassment as the body responsible with developing the game. BCCI you deserve to have Australia beat your side tonight to make it a non Asian top 4.
This has been manipulated to keep the small sides small and the money in the sub-continent well TV has shown the first as a lie....let's hope tonight puts paid to their other plan. They should be ashamed....but they aren't
Well done Afghanistan and Bangladesh who both looked like sides who ought to be in the top 16 if not the top 8.....
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Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2016 15:40
Loved Afghanistan! Their exuberance, especially the way they celebrated wickets, was a joy - delighted they won today.
Like what you say, Grockle, though can't bring myself to cheer on the Aussies π can they both lose?
Like what you say, Grockle, though can't bring myself to cheer on the Aussies π can they both lose?
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Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 27/03/2016 15:48
Quote:cricketjerry-mouse
Jos Buttler moved up considerably higher in my esteem at the end of yesterday`s fantastic match.
The other England players naturally rushed to gather round Ben Stokes with whoops of joy.
Jos, however, deliberately went out of his way to the edge of the square to console Angelo Matthews, who had batted quite brilliantly on one leg in a bid to see his side home.
Hear hear. Jos seems such a thoroughly decent young man.
Bit of a contrast with Jason Roy's reaction to a (perfectly correct, incidentally) LBW decision.
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Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 11:26
The decline of spin bowlers from a European or Aussie/New Zealand background, since the retirement of the likes of Shane Warne, Graeme Swann and Daniel Vettori, has continued apace at the T20 World Cup.
Swann has been replaced by Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid, both born in this country but with Asian family links; South Africa`s main spinner is Imran Tahir; Ish Sodhi, born in India, does the job for New Zealand; and even Adam Zampa, hailed as `the new Shane Warne` in Australia, has an Italian background.
Is it that something is changing about the spinning tradition, or just that the wickets for T20 in India are spinner-friendly? After all, George Dockrell was still the most effective bowler for Ireland during the qualifying stages, despite being left out of the first match.
Swann has been replaced by Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid, both born in this country but with Asian family links; South Africa`s main spinner is Imran Tahir; Ish Sodhi, born in India, does the job for New Zealand; and even Adam Zampa, hailed as `the new Shane Warne` in Australia, has an Italian background.
Is it that something is changing about the spinning tradition, or just that the wickets for T20 in India are spinner-friendly? After all, George Dockrell was still the most effective bowler for Ireland during the qualifying stages, despite being left out of the first match.
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Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 16:08
Seriously good out-cricket from England in this T20 semi-final, and excellent bowling in last few overs. Even if they lose out, to a very good NZ side, England do at least look like a seriously good limited overs unit.
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 16:39
It's a pity that the women subsided so poorly earlier today, after an excellent start. Let's hope the same does not happen to the men.
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Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 17:15
The ball after I read that Roy gets out 
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 17:21
... and the ball after that Morgan, the part time batsman, follows him.
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Re: World T20
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 17:31
Has Morgan had more than one good knock in these matches?
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Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 17:37
Buttler's taken to Sodhi here, dubious looking action too.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 18:03
That was probably the most comprehensive T20 victory I've seen from England for at least 2 years. Against the side in form they walk it with 3 overs to go. Excellent slow and death bowling, excellent batting base and finish.
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Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 18:25
England's best performances have coincided with the captain getting a first ball duck.
We need more of the same on Sunday.
We need more of the same on Sunday.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 18:27
I can live with that if the rest play this way.
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Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 18:30
Apart from Morgan's golden duck that was a pretty dominant performance from England.
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Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 18:45
Yep, excellent on all fronts. Apart from his very impressive captaincy in the field (not to be underestimated), I'd say Vince in for Morgan for the Final.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 19:29
But that won't happen will it because they won't change their captain for the final.
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 20:16
Nor will they change a winning team unless somebody is indisposed.
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Re: World T20
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 20:48
Clearly, the current structure of county cricket does not enable England cricketers to acquire the skills and nous to compete at international level(!).
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2016 20:53
Agreed. The only answer is to set up village franchises, with Wedmore nominated as the first of them.
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Re: World T20
Posted by: cricketharris (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 16:36
I see that Gayle has been given the bums-rush in Bombay.
Re: World T20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 16:48
Yes England v India in Kolkota on Sunday.
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Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 17:12
Of course, I'd love to be proved wrong π
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 17:49
I wouldn't cry if India lost out. I'd love the BCCI to lose some money by not manipulating the system to get their boys there.
The sad thing about the Bangladesh game was that the first response in the Middle East was not that Bangla had just panicked but that there was a 'bung' in place and the Tigers had taken it to throw the game.
THAT is the legacy of the BCCI to the world of cricket
The sad thing about the Bangladesh game was that the first response in the Middle East was not that Bangla had just panicked but that there was a 'bung' in place and the Tigers had taken it to throw the game.
THAT is the legacy of the BCCI to the world of cricket
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Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 18:06
WOW! Which fool said one-man-team? πππ
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 18:07
Great result. Now I don't mind who wins on Sunday. Had today's match gone the other way, I most certainly would have cared - very strongly.
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Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 18:10
Lendl Simmons is the man!! Great innings and India finally got the wrong side of the luck. Very very quiet stadium. Bye Bye BCCI.....
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Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 18:13
Many congrats to the Windows! Did it without Gayle in effect.
Looking forward to the final on Sat!
Looking forward to the final on Sat!
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Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 18:22
I agree, LoL. I would like England to win, but will be happy for the West Indies if they win.
Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 18:34
Sunday I think Sloop
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Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 19:00
I'm sure Mr Graves and the ECB will be delighted that the old fashioned, outdated, anachronistic 18 county domestic system has produced one of the finalists, whilst the IPL and Australian Big Bash has not.
Maybe they should take a leaf out of our books, and copy us.
Maybe they should take a leaf out of our books, and copy us.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 19:02
Great to see the BCCI eliminated today, and in convincing fashion!
btw... should England win on Sunday, wouldn't that mean that we'd have won something like 33.3 or 40% of all World T20 tournaments? (I cannot remember whether this is the 5th or 6th iteration of this tournament).
Whither the "we must have Franchise cricket to compete," morons, then?
Perish the thought that the likes of Surrey and Lancs might have to admit that their motivations in advocating this dross (and their cheerleaders like awful Surreyite, Bob Willis) are nothing other than BCCI-style greed.....
btw... should England win on Sunday, wouldn't that mean that we'd have won something like 33.3 or 40% of all World T20 tournaments? (I cannot remember whether this is the 5th or 6th iteration of this tournament).
Whither the "we must have Franchise cricket to compete," morons, then?
Perish the thought that the likes of Surrey and Lancs might have to admit that their motivations in advocating this dross (and their cheerleaders like awful Surreyite, Bob Willis) are nothing other than BCCI-style greed.....
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Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 19:22
Sorry, but not at all surprised, to see not the slightest acknowledgement from the crowd for the West Indies success. Indeed. thousands had left the ground before the start of the 19th over, despite 20 still being needed from 12 balls.
And all the commentators and interviewers were interested in was asking Dhoni whether India would have won if it hadn`t been for the dew.
Whatever happened to dignity in defeat?
And all the commentators and interviewers were interested in was asking Dhoni whether India would have won if it hadn`t been for the dew.
Whatever happened to dignity in defeat?
Re: "World" T20? Do me a favour!!
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 19:25
Asking them whether they *might* have won, had not Ashwin - almost criminally - bowled a no-ball may have been more pertinent.
It was the same story in the bar that I was in. The Indian fans left, in their droves, when Andre Russell hit a large six to bring the requirment down to something like 18 off 12 balls (I think it was). Most of them were wailing about the odd outside edge that looped to the third man boundary. Of course, this has never happened before in a T20 game and is evidence of serious ill-luck (TIC)
It was the same story in the bar that I was in. The Indian fans left, in their droves, when Andre Russell hit a large six to bring the requirment down to something like 18 off 12 balls (I think it was). Most of them were wailing about the odd outside edge that looped to the third man boundary. Of course, this has never happened before in a T20 game and is evidence of serious ill-luck (TIC)
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 19:37
Oman cricket were gracious enough to congratulate the Windies and then posted they were closing for the night. Had India won we would have had post after post after post for the next 12 hours.
This is a big thing. It will be interesting to see how many ticket holders turn up for Sunday. When you create a situation where the home side cannot lose and then they lose then the result will be interesting. I'll guarantee all advertising here will turn immediately to the IPL start
Will Indian TV be looking for ways out of final deals? Hope so because that affects the BCCI revenue streams. (The celebrity balconies also started to thin very late in the Windies innings).
This is a big thing. It will be interesting to see how many ticket holders turn up for Sunday. When you create a situation where the home side cannot lose and then they lose then the result will be interesting. I'll guarantee all advertising here will turn immediately to the IPL start
Will Indian TV be looking for ways out of final deals? Hope so because that affects the BCCI revenue streams. (The celebrity balconies also started to thin very late in the Windies innings).
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Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 20:32
Interestingly, with the second 'no ball' dismissal of Simmons, the bowler could easily have 'Mankaded' the other batsman if he had wanted.
They need to get Murali Kartik as their coach.
They need to get Murali Kartik as their coach.
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Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2016 23:13
Is this the first time that the same batsman has been "out" 3 times caught and reprieved by 2 no balls and a touch of the boundary rope? If India complain about "bad luck" we can mention the 3 simple missed run outs of Kohli on 1 and 3. Well done Windies..delighted that they did what Bangladesh should have.
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Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/04/2016 09:25
I love the smell of fresh schadenfreude in the morning π
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 12:38
Windies women on course for an upset victory.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 14:44
At 9 for 2 after 3 overs with both openers (Roy and Hales) back in the hutch England have a mountain to climb. Morgan has captained and little else this tournament. He can't do that tonight, they need his runs and they need them NOW.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 14:49
Eoin Morgan = waste of space.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 14:49
"Not with a bang....."
I was afraid of this 23 for 3 off 4.4 and Jos is already at the crease.
I was afraid of this 23 for 3 off 4.4 and Jos is already at the crease.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 15:19
B*gger!! Jos out before he really got going. Needed 3 figures from him tonight. 84 for 4. Just got it back into the slot and now it's down to the rest of the middle. Ben Stokes and Moin Ali need to come to play tonight. Presently 100 short of a competitive total.
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Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 15:24
Good knock from Jos 36 off only 22 balls, needed a few more.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 15:24
The bottom-line is that Roy and Morgan were both badly out-classed by Badree and his wrist-spin.
Hales and Jos pretty unlucky.
Basically it's all down to the Root/Stokes tandem now - they have to bat together through at least the 18th over AND score rapidly. No easy ask.
Hales and Jos pretty unlucky.
Basically it's all down to the Root/Stokes tandem now - they have to bat together through at least the 18th over AND score rapidly. No easy ask.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 15:25
33 ball 50 and Stoke to 100 off 12.4.... come on boys put it in competition land!
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 15:32
Fat lady warming up...
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 15:33
It's "...a whimper" I'm afraid. 110 for 6 as Ali gloves it down the leg side.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 15:35
Game over. Absolute shambles.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 15:50
At least the feisty Willey is showing some fight.
He, Stokes and Pudsey will have to bowl out of their skins though to avoid an absolute beating by 7 or 8 wkts.
He, Stokes and Pudsey will have to bowl out of their skins though to avoid an absolute beating by 7 or 8 wkts.
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Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 15:55
It's not over until the last ball.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 16:00
No point playing out the string with singles as will not produce a competitive score.
Need to swing and hope for 20 from final over.
Need to swing and hope for 20 from final over.
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 16:45
Quote:AGod
Game over. Absolute shambles.
Spot on, AGod. Your prescience is remarkable. WI lose three wickets in three overs and are found guilty, as VJM puts it so well, of "playing the bowler, not the ball".
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 17:22
Inspired choice of Root. I thought we were in deep trouble and then...... bang!!
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Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 18:03
Stokes chokes.
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Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 18:12
lost it in the last over, that's what I like about cricket you never no.
One thing you can't do is predict a match at half time.
One thing you can't do is predict a match at half time.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 18:12
Surprised he did not try at least one back of a length.
Brainless start from Gayle and Johnson.
Brainless start from Gayle and Johnson.
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 18:13
Amazing finish. In his previous seven T20 innings Brathwaite accumulated only 25 runs!
Let's hope the WI renaissance really has begun at last.
Let's hope the WI renaissance really has begun at last.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 18:16
More Brathwaite goes crazy. Not sure it would have mattered where Stokes put the ball. Great end to a game. Good game to finish off a tournament that has had its moments and gave England some credibility back in the short form stuff.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 18:18
The big problem with the tournament was that the toss was such a big factor, with the team forced to bat first being repeatedly beaten, and dew a factor.
Mr Brathwaite has just won himself a big IPL contract, one imagines.
Mr Brathwaite has just won himself a big IPL contract, one imagines.
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Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 19:26
England got a good deal of things right at this tournament, but made one very strange mistake today.
When your squad includes one of the three best 20/20 fielders in the country (possibly even the best) in James Vince, why on earth send out a deputy wicket-keeper to substitute on the boundary.
You could see the dropped catch from Bravo coming from a mile away, and of course it allowed the West Indies several more overs of vital consolidation from their `headless chicken` start before he gave another chance.
When your squad includes one of the three best 20/20 fielders in the country (possibly even the best) in James Vince, why on earth send out a deputy wicket-keeper to substitute on the boundary.
You could see the dropped catch from Bravo coming from a mile away, and of course it allowed the West Indies several more overs of vital consolidation from their `headless chicken` start before he gave another chance.
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 19:32
The first two balls of final were short and leg side giving opportunity to swing the bat freely. We should have bowled slower deliveries, enabling more control.
T20 is a game for innovation and I'd have bowled super cool Joe Root.
I noted how well Rashid was turning the ball, so why didn't Ali bowl.
Having said that, what a superb display of clean hitting, but we had our chances to run out Samuels.
I looked at their bench at the start of the final over and they were all smiling, so maybe they expected to win.
T20 is a game for innovation and I'd have bowled super cool Joe Root.
I noted how well Rashid was turning the ball, so why didn't Ali bowl.
Having said that, what a superb display of clean hitting, but we had our chances to run out Samuels.
I looked at their bench at the start of the final over and they were all smiling, so maybe they expected to win.
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Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 19:50
What a fantastic clean hitting end to the game, some wrong decisions made at crucial times and chances not taken at others as mentioned above.
Catching up on this thread after the event has been very entertaining, a bit more of an understanding of the T20 format needed before making predictions before half way me thinks.
Catching up on this thread after the event has been very entertaining, a bit more of an understanding of the T20 format needed before making predictions before half way me thinks.
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Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2016 22:49
I hope that Marlon Samuels gave Ben Stokes another salute at the end of the game. He certainly deserved one.
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Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2016 00:21
Quote:Not at all Nailsea. All you need is an understanding that when predictions appear with hindsight to have been misguided, the prediction was actually right but the players got it wrong.Nailsea_Fizz
Catching up on this thread after the event has been very entertaining, a bit more of an understanding of the T20 format needed before making predictions before half way me thinks.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2016 04:53
Whoever or whatever you would have bowled at Brathwaite in that final over I really doubt it would have made any difference to his resolve or the end result. Unless your slow bowler had nerves of steel and massive control I also doubt the result would have been any different whether it would have been Root (really?) or Ali or Rashid.
And the whys and wherefores of sending out Billings aside, the bloke did slip just as he was setting himself for the catch (which admittedly he had overrun) so it wasn't all the fielder's fault.
If you are going to win an international tournament you have to use what luck you get to come back and do it so well done West Indies.
How many of you expected England in the final or even to compete? I started the tournament wondering whether England ought to be in the qualifying phase after the debacle that was the 50 over version.
And the whys and wherefores of sending out Billings aside, the bloke did slip just as he was setting himself for the catch (which admittedly he had overrun) so it wasn't all the fielder's fault.
If you are going to win an international tournament you have to use what luck you get to come back and do it so well done West Indies.
How many of you expected England in the final or even to compete? I started the tournament wondering whether England ought to be in the qualifying phase after the debacle that was the 50 over version.
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2016 08:17
I am getting very bad at watching on tv and simultaneously tweeting with emotion. Had to do some gardening! 
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2016 11:50
The last ball of the penultimate over, bowled by Jordan, was described - by the impeccable VJM, I think - as the ball of the tournament, in that it denied Samuels a run and the strike at the start of the final over.
How right he was!
How right he was!
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