A Chill Start - Hampshire CC Match 1 Farmer's view
By Farmer White
April 14 2022
Farmer's reports have been part of the site for a number of years now and though our esteemed reporter has cut back on the late night writing frenzy to get things done by the end of the day his reports are still well worth reading in retrospect. A more relaxed view of life still provides us with some gems so whenever I can I'll put them on the front page so the largest number of people get to look at them. Thank you Farmer... long may they continue
County Championship 2022. Division 1. Hampshire v Somerset. 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th April 2022. Southampton.
The following were unavailable for selection by Somerset. Matthew Renshaw (with Australia), Lewis Gregory and Jack Brooks (ill), Craig Overton and Jack Leach (required to rest by England), Tom Banton, George Bartlett, Josh Davey and Sonny Baker (injured).
Hampshire. J.J. Weatherley, I.G. Holland, J.M. Vince (c), N.R.T. Gubbins, L.A. Dawson, B.C. Brown (w), J.K. Fuller, F.S. Organ, K.H.D. Barker, K.J. Abbott, Mohammad Abbas.
Somerset. B.G.F. Green, T.A. Lammonby, T.B. Abell (c), J.C. Hildreth, L.P. Goldsworthy, S.M. Davies (w), R.E. van der Merwe, K.L Aldridge, P.M. Siddle, E.O. Leonard, M. de Lange.
Toss. Somerset. Elected to bat.
First day 7th April – A chill start
Whoever designed the transport system did not envisage Somerset supporters travelling from Somerset to the AGEAS bowl. When I came here for the experimental round of pink ball Championship matches in 2017, I came by car. The journey was 100 miles. It took five hours. The A303, alternately dual carriageway and single carriageway, was trying to do the job of a motorway in West Country summer traffic. This year, for the first Championship match of the season, my railway journey seemed to have been designed around randomly laid stretches of track which, by chance, happened to meet each other here and there. I can report that Romsey and Eastleigh are not stations where you would want to spend an extended layover, although Westbury has friendly staff, a small buffet and toilets that are open. Fortunately, the trains ran rather better than the plan to which the track had been laid. Sixteen, 16 and eight minutes were the extent of my connection times, and all four trains ran perfectly to time.
Hedge End station is where you end up. Two platforms, a bridge which was less rickety than it looked, a ticket office (closed when I arrived there) and a telephone number to call for a taxi to rescue you. I have been making excursions to anywhere in the country where a county cricket ground has been pitched for some years, and so I do not set off without preparation. My trains were timed to get me to Hedge End in good time before the rush hour set in. “It’s a 35-minute wait for a cab, at least,” the response to my call, “It’s school run time,” the explanation. School run? It’s half term in Somerset. Not in Hampshire apparently. It would appear that Local Authority co-ordination has similarities to the railway layout between the two counties. And taxis? For the school run? When I was at school, for those of us on our estate, the school run consisted of us running home from school on our own legs, and the school buses that took those who could not make their own way, or lived too far, looked like they had last seen service on the Western Front. Now, it seems, it’s taxis. Things must have moved on since the 1950s.
I am not entirely without luck. “Hang on, we have someone just doing a drop-off near you. He can take you to your hotel on the way to his next pick-up.” A bit like some of those trains that had got me that far I suppose. Five minutes later, the cab swept into the pick-up area, and I was on the last leg of my first odyssey of the season. I swept into the hotel lobby, most hotels I stay in don’t run to a lobby, at least not one that it takes a route march to cross. I am not sure my three-hour wind-blown hair, resembling the random rail network I had just negotiated, my unruly case and backpack which had resented the journey from the start, my lop-sided Somerset scarf and rebellious anorak, both of which always come as they are, were quite the normal fare for the hotel, but my bank card worked at the first attempt, and I was in.
The hotel Wi-Fi worked a treat too, but all that did was take me to the team news. Hampshire at full strength, Kyle Abbott, Mohammad Abbas and Keith Barker to the fore. Somerset’s team sheet meanwhile looked like a map of the rail network I had just negotiated. Matthew Renshaw is still with Australia. Craig Overton and Jack Leach have been rested by England. Somerset did not win a Championship match in 2021 without Overton in the side. Tom Banton has fractured his finger just as his red ball form seemed to be improving, Lewis Gregory is ill, and Josh Davey, second only to Overton in impact with the ball in 2021, and Sonny Baker are injured. All, except Baker might have expected to play. In the corresponding fixture in 2020, Overton, Gregory and Davey took 18 of the 20 Hampshire wickets and Overton and Gregory scored over 100 of Somerset’s first innings runs in a ten-wicket win.
Then to the morning of the match. Bright sun, high white cloud and the wind that had demolished my hair the day before had been re-invigorated overnight. Somerset had lost two more players too. Jack Brooks had fallen ill, and George Bartlett had injured his shoulder. The team that took the field were the last eleven squad members standing. Had the entire squad been fit and available it is probable that only five of those who actually took the field would have done so. It was a daunting prospect against a Hampshire side that looked to be at full strength.
It became more daunting still when, after a calm enough start against Mohammad Abbas and Keith Barker, Ben Green played defensively to Abbas and edged the ball towards the feet of third slip where it was intercepted by Liam Dawson diving across from second. The Somerset supporter sitting behind me winced and put his head in his hands. It was precisely the start which might have been predicted for an inexperienced opening partnership facing one of the most experienced and skilled new ball attacks in the country on their own ground. When Tom Abell got behind a ball from Kyle Abbott and edged it straight to Joe Weatherley at third slip, the score was 19 for 2 and the enthusiasm that walks into a cricket ground alongside every supporter on the first day of the season was being sorely tested before the first hour was out.
The morning was bitterly cold, and the day became colder still as it progressed. It did not stop the usual first match of the season chatter as supporters who had not seen each other since the last match of the previous season or before began to exchange winter stories and news. They were soon into their stride as the chatter became a buzz and eyes and minds turned to the cricket. Somerset minds hoping, hoping for a partnership and some impetus to an innings already disabled by the loss of those two wickets and that was creeping along at just short of two an over. Hampshire minds waiting, waiting for another wicket as Abbas, Barker and Abbott kept up the pressure, finding the spot, giving the batsmen no respite. The wind may have been arctic, but the summer game was in full swing.
Tom Lammonby had driven Abbas straight for four to the Hotel boundary in the third over. It was an exquisite stroke of unruffled power which had swept away the winter sleep from the eyes, but after 18 overs Somerset were still only 35 for 2. Such progress, or lack of it, against such bowling leaves the batting side’s supporters with that uneasy feeling that a wicket is coming. In the 19th over, with Lammonby on 11 after 61 balls of intense defence it came. Another defensive push against the lesser pace of Ian Holland saw the ball find the edge of Lammonby’s bat and the gloves of Ben Brown. It may be anecdotal, but the evidence from my memory has Lammonby failing to move on when he embarks on a defensive start of virtual immobility. When Lewis Goldsworthy, the coming batting hope of 2021, was late in defence to Abbas, he was struck on the pad and Somerset were 46 for 4, still scoring at less than two an over. The weight of Hampshire’s pace attack was telling against Somerset’s still inexperienced young batsmen and on the minds of its experienced travelling supporters. Changes in the structure of first-class cricket are being mooted and county’s performances in the 2022 Championship may be even more important than in most seasons.
The experience of Steven Davies perhaps showed as he began to work the ball around, once neatly dropping the bat on a ball to guide it past the slips for two. Davies has played many determined innings for Somerset, often guiding the innings through difficult phases. His start raised the hope that he might be preparing another such rescue. If so, the hope was spectacularly undone on the stroke of lunch by Barker. Davies shaped to leave a full ball. A replay shows it pitching perhaps a foot or more outside off stump and cutting in so sharply it hit the stumps full on. Balls are rarely truly unplayable. This one was. Somerset were 61 for 5 in the 31st over and Davies walked off without waiting for anyone else. “Oh dear,” said the Somerset voice behind me, head too numbed to fall into hands.
At lunch spectators were invited onto the outfield to gather in front of the big screen to watch and join in a tribute to Shane Warne, one-time Hampshire captain, and to pay tribute to him with one-minute of applause. The applause, shared by those who had remained to stand at their seats, was warm, wholesome and undiminished for the entire minute. It was as effective as the silences usually held on the deaths of cricketers. Perhaps it was more suited to Warne’s live-life-to-the-full personality. In any event, Hampshire supporters paid a worthy tribute.
And then a reminder of the two years just past. A chance meeting with an old work colleague as I circumnavigated the ground. He had recently recovered from COVID. “Not a nice experience. Pretty unpleasant. Not something you want to have,” his verdict. But the conversation soon turned to the cricket and Somerset’ poor run at the end of last season, now seemingly continuing into this, although no easy solutions were forthcoming.
Somerset’s prospects looked brighter after lunch, at least for a while. We were treated to an innings from James Hildreth in which the 37-year-old, as cricket writers used to say, rolled back the years. It was a true classic of timing, grace and placement. He had begun during the morning, at the fall of Abell’s wicket, with a neat push past midwicket for two. As the batsmen at the other end fought to protect their wickets from some hostile Hampshire bowling, Hildreth played as if the bowlers were there to serve his purpose. My notes record drives of smooth perfection through the covers, midwicket and square, and a cut of crisp power square of the wicket, all to applause from a Hampshire crowd otherwise cheering and applauding their bowlers on. By lunch, as three wickets fell at the other end for 42 runs, Hildreth’s bat had added 30. As so often when Hildreth is at the top of his form he seemed to be playing on a different pitch.
After lunch, with Roelof van der Merwe playing positively at the other end, Hildreth began by driving Abbott square through the off side to the boundary. “Shot!” a Hampshire supporter shouted. For the next hour Hildreth’s artistry, in consort with van der Merwe’s pugnacity, dominated the scene. Smoothly struck, perfectly placed singles and twos kept the score moving, studied defence kept Hampshire out, and boundaries, particularly square of he wicket, lifted the Somerset spirit. Ian Holland was cut crisply through backward point for four to bring up Hildreth’s fifty from 88 balls. James Fuller was driven square, again to the boundary. A clip off his toes for three off Holland, slowed by the outfield, was a joy to watch as it, along with the others slid across the grass like a putt across the smoothest of greens.
Van der Merwe meanwhile, playing less aggressively than is the norm for him, was not entirely without the idiosyncrasies which can epitomise his play. “Yes! Yes! Yes!” was an early call which cajoled Hildreth into a single. One of his four boundaries came from an inside edge which teased the keeper as it flew past his diving glove. A late cut for two was fashioned by the bat dabbing sharply down on the ball as if it had just irked him. An uppercut cleared the slips and ran down to the Hotel boundary. “Only Roelof could try to stop a collapse with an uppercut over the slips,” said the message from the online watcher in South America. There was too, solid defence and a cut for four backward of square which brought applause from around the ground. In the end he was defeated by a ball from Fuller which cut in sharply from outside off and bowled him for 28 made in a partnership of 73 with Hildreth. Uplifting it may have been, but the loss of most of Somerset’s top order in the morning still cast its shadow over a score of 134 for 6 and the cheers of the Hampshire crowd reflected the dominance of their side.
Hildreth, still playing on a different plane, continued as if he had not noticed the happening’s around him. Two balls in succession from Abbott, when they came into contact with Hildreth’s bat, flowed apparently unhurriedly to the boundary, one cut through backward point, the other driven through the covers. Against Fuller he came forward, body in perfect balance as his initial movement transformed itself seamlessly into a stroke from which the ball flowed off the bat bisecting deep midwicket and long on as it went. It was a stroke which Hildreth plays to perfection, his equivalent of Trescothick’s cover drive. A glance off Fuller for four brought forth praise from a Hampshire supporter.
It was as if Hildreth was playing with powers conferred on him by the cricketing gods. And then, as if the gods had tired of their creation, he was bowled by a stunning yorker from Dawson. Dawson’s first ball of the season. It was so startling it demanded to be viewed again. Match highlights revealed Hildreth being deceived by significant curving drift into him. It was a piece of bowling artistry to match Hildreth’s batting. That amount and shape of drift on a first ball rendered it the second truly unplayable ball of the innings.
Somerset were 158 for 7 and from there, there was little respite. Peter Siddle in his first match for Somerset resisted for a while, finding 16 runs along the way in a 21-run partnership with Kasey Aldridge but then, suddenly, the final three Somerset wickets fell for one run, two to Barker and one to Dawson. A final score of 180 left an uncomfortable, swirling reservoir of anxiety in the pit of the Somerset stomach as the players ended the innings by walking off for tea.
By the close of play, that reservoir had deepened considerably as Joe Weatherley and Ian Holland took Hampshire to 109 for 0. Worse, they had seemed virtually untroubled. The few Somerset faces I saw as I left the ground were looking grimly into the distance. The Somerset bowling had appeared to have no threat in it, unlike the Hampshire bowlers who had kept the Somerset batsmen constantly under pressure. The 21-year-old Aldridge and the 19-year-old Leonard had a tendency to drop short, using the bouncer when there was little evidence that it unsettled or tested the Hampshire batsmen.
By the close, Weatherley, benefitting from the greater proportion of the strike, had 65 to Holland’s 41. He had had some luck, beginning his innings with two thick edges, one running to the boundary for four off Siddle, by some way the pick of the Somerset bowlers. He had too edged Abell just wide of third slip for four before responding by steering the next ball safely through the same area for three. From there, his innings was an exhibition of controlled defence and decisive attack. The nagging accuracy of Siddle was met with a straight bat. When de Lange gave him some width, he cut, once square and once through backward point, both for four, persuading backward point to retreat to deep backward point. Leonard was driven to the onside boundary to appreciative applause and pushed with perfect timing through midwicket for four more.
Holland meanwhile seemed focused on rotating the strike which he did with some regularity, but where the ball presented itself, he took full measure, driving Aldridge through the covers and pulling Leonard through midwicket, each time for four. Siddle apart, the Somerset bowling lacked sufficient accuracy to make the batsmen play often enough to build pressure and gave too many opportunities for boundaries.
It was a dispiriting display for Somerset supporters, and for those watching from the stands rather than online it was an unpleasantly cold experience. The crowd began to depart after tea despite Hampshire’s dominance and the fact that they were batting. There is a tendency for Championship crowds to start thinning after tea but compared to the norm this was an accelerated departure. The weather, I suspect, was the main driver for this. Hunched shoulders and hands in pockets were the order of the day in the Warne Stand. My teatime circumnavigation, anti-clockwise for those who do not know me, revealed the frozen Warne Stand, with its back to the wind, was an oasis of summer in comparison with the temperatures on the far side of the ground. The seats there faced the full force of the northerly wind which had blown across the ground all day. It blew at such a speed it would have been impossible for a fielder to keep pace with the shadows of the clouds on the outfield as they raced across it. For the morrow, Somerset could look forward to chasing a match racing away from them at a pace to match those clouds. For Somerset supporters, it was a chill start to the season indeed.
Close. Somerset 180 (J.C. Hildreth 87, K.H.D. Barker 3-33). Hampshire 109 for 0. Hampshire trail by 71 runs with ten first innings wickets standing.
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A Chill Start - Hampshire CC Match 1 Farmer's view
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2022 21:18
And so we move into the first week of 2022 season and our away fixture at the Ageas Bowl in Southampton.
We will not have Matt Renshaw who is in Pakistan or Craig Overton and Jack Leach who will be rested by the ECB to who they are contracted.
Peter Siddle will be available as most people who saw the liveatream interview in Taunton today saw.
So which 10 other players will join captain Tom Abell for the game?
We may be pretty sure that Steve Davies will keep wicket and that Siddle will have a place
Looking at the sides picked over the last few weeks one can assume that there is a place for Tom Lammonby in the side and that it will be as one of the openers. His opening partner is a little less obvious - George Bartlett Ben Green Tom Banton have all been tried along with the wicket keeper. Who will it be?
It's pretty likely that the skipper will come in at 3 and it would be a radical start t the season to not put James Hildreth at 4 though it certainly isn't certain that will happen
We should assume that one of those not used in berth number 2 will be up to be in berth number 5 with the man with the gloves at 6 unless he opens.
7 to 11 is an interesting puzzle. One slow man will probably be used and that on present form would be Roelof van der Merwe
It will probably be Lewis Gregory at number 7 - not using Goldsworthy today probably suggests he may have to wait.
The Aussie at 9 leaves 2 places for other bowlers. If Josh Davey is fit enough to play he will and may take 9 instead. If he isn't then one of the last two has to go to Jack Brooks for consistency. Who takes the last in that case will be interesting. I'd rather use Ned Leonard than Marchant de Lange but that probably won't happen.
If our 'Scot' is fit I'd put the headbanded one at 11.
Lammonby, Green/Banton/Davies, Abell, Hildreth, Bartlett/Banton/Green, Davies/Banton/Bartlett, Gregory, RvdM, Davey/Siddle, Siddle/Brooks, Brooks/Leonard/MdL
8 definites (bold) though position may vary and some options which don't include the wildcards of Kasey Aldridge and Lewis Goldsworthy
I suppose it will all be clear in 3 and a bit days
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We will not have Matt Renshaw who is in Pakistan or Craig Overton and Jack Leach who will be rested by the ECB to who they are contracted.
Peter Siddle will be available as most people who saw the liveatream interview in Taunton today saw.
So which 10 other players will join captain Tom Abell for the game?
We may be pretty sure that Steve Davies will keep wicket and that Siddle will have a place
Looking at the sides picked over the last few weeks one can assume that there is a place for Tom Lammonby in the side and that it will be as one of the openers. His opening partner is a little less obvious - George Bartlett Ben Green Tom Banton have all been tried along with the wicket keeper. Who will it be?
It's pretty likely that the skipper will come in at 3 and it would be a radical start t the season to not put James Hildreth at 4 though it certainly isn't certain that will happen
We should assume that one of those not used in berth number 2 will be up to be in berth number 5 with the man with the gloves at 6 unless he opens.
7 to 11 is an interesting puzzle. One slow man will probably be used and that on present form would be Roelof van der Merwe
It will probably be Lewis Gregory at number 7 - not using Goldsworthy today probably suggests he may have to wait.
The Aussie at 9 leaves 2 places for other bowlers. If Josh Davey is fit enough to play he will and may take 9 instead. If he isn't then one of the last two has to go to Jack Brooks for consistency. Who takes the last in that case will be interesting. I'd rather use Ned Leonard than Marchant de Lange but that probably won't happen.
If our 'Scot' is fit I'd put the headbanded one at 11.
Lammonby, Green/Banton/Davies, Abell, Hildreth, Bartlett/Banton/Green, Davies/Banton/Bartlett, Gregory, RvdM, Davey/Siddle, Siddle/Brooks, Brooks/Leonard/MdL
8 definites (bold) though position may vary and some options which don't include the wildcards of Kasey Aldridge and Lewis Goldsworthy
I suppose it will all be clear in 3 and a bit days
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Posted by: somerset blue (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2022 22:26
I’d go:
Green
Lammonby
Abel
Banton
Hildreth
Bartlett
Davies
Gregory
Siddle
VDM
Brooks
Green
Lammonby
Abel
Banton
Hildreth
Bartlett
Davies
Gregory
Siddle
VDM
Brooks
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2022 22:44
Seems about right but I'd personally like to see Davey play if he is fully fit BUT only if he is and I doubt they will bat Hildreth at 5. Otherwise it seems about right
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Goonie goo goo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2022 08:17
On form pre season and last year Hildreth shouldn’t be in the team . I’d play Goldsworthy over him and Bartlett
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2022 10:54
Well Goldsworthy is going to get in asxa batsman if he does. He isn't our first choice spinner. James may start because Renshaw doesn't but it may be a short tenure of a definite place if others come good.
I doubt last year's performances are first on the selection group's page after the build up this year.
I doubt last year's performances are first on the selection group's page after the build up this year.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Goonie goo goo (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2022 17:16
Hildreth shouldn’t really be in on his pre season form either
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Devonboy70 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2022 18:55
Very few of the batsmen would warrant automatic selection given last seasons efforts .
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2022 20:18
Well I'm sure we'll find out on Thursday though don't be too suprised if they go with 'experience' because of the people missing.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2022 09:08
Going to be an icy cold weekend so may decide on Davey ahead of Roelof. Would personally bat Goldsworthy at 5 and Banton at 6.
Green
Lammonsby
Abell
Hildreth
Goldsworthy
Banton
Davies
Gregory
Davey
Siddle
Brooks
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Green
Lammonsby
Abell
Hildreth
Goldsworthy
Banton
Davies
Gregory
Davey
Siddle
Brooks
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2022 12:59
Rain predicted at +70% for 3 of the 4 days so I'll be deffing out my trip to the South East. It will be an indicator as to how 'youth focussed' this season will be as there are spaces up for grabs.
Ned & Kasey were mentioned at the press conference. George B was sent to bat on last friendly day Goldsworthy wasn't though I'd hope he's a big factor this season.
The lack of penetration in the friendlies and Josh actually bowling and not being protected in the field may mean he's back.
Ned & Kasey were mentioned at the press conference. George B was sent to bat on last friendly day Goldsworthy wasn't though I'd hope he's a big factor this season.
The lack of penetration in the friendlies and Josh actually bowling and not being protected in the field may mean he's back.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2022 17:55
Banton out with a broken finger for a month!
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2022 17:59
Damn I hoped as he batted on the last day he hadn't sustained more than a bruise. Very disappointing for him. It looked like he had worked hard over the winter to improve his defence.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2022 20:14
No Bants, Renshaw, Jack or Cove, rain dance time 
The BBC forecast doesn't look too bad, are you looking at the pessimistic weather.com Grocks?
The BBC forecast doesn't look too bad, are you looking at the pessimistic weather.com Grocks?
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2022 20:17
The forecast was looking pretty wet here in Hampshire but has now changed and looks pretty good with Saturday being a steamy 12 degrees!
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2022 20:21
Weather.com
75% chance of light morning rain on Thursday
80% chance of rain on Friday
Morning showers on Sunday
Gonna be a bit of on/off. There'll be a game but it's gonna stop me planning a 4 day trip to watch it
Ben's stream will be good enough I think.
At least it makes the selection easier now Tom B is not in the frame any more. I would have picked him at 5
75% chance of light morning rain on Thursday
80% chance of rain on Friday
Morning showers on Sunday
Gonna be a bit of on/off. There'll be a game but it's gonna stop me planning a 4 day trip to watch it
Ben's stream will be good enough I think.
At least it makes the selection easier now Tom B is not in the frame any more. I would have picked him at 5
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2022 20:36
Bens stream might be good but Hampshires isn’t up to much I’m afraid other than they still use BBC commentary i.e. Kevan James
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2022 22:13
Costs less than gambling on the rain
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Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 10:19
My team would be
Lammonby
Green
Abell
Bartlett
Davies
Goldsworthy
Gregory
Van de Merve
Siddle
Brooks
Leonard
I expect Hidreth will play ahead of Goldsworthy only because of experience.
Lammonby
Green
Abell
Bartlett
Davies
Goldsworthy
Gregory
Van de Merve
Siddle
Brooks
Leonard
I expect Hidreth will play ahead of Goldsworthy only because of experience.
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Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 10:48
That would be my team too, Rob (unless, contrary to my expectation, Davey is genuinely match-fit).
A happy new season to all Grocklers.
A happy new season to all Grocklers.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 11:18
For anyone intending to go to the AGEAS for all four days, and are not confident that we will win in two, Hampshire have a four day pass which can be bought through their website or App and costs the same as four separate advance tickets, and is considerably cheaper than paying on the gate. Link here (hopefully):
[www.ageasbowl.com]
My ticket, bought the previous evening, did not arrive until the next day when the ticket office opened (10-3 on non-matchdays at least).
Also for members, I understand that the receipt for your Somerset membership purchase should gain you access to members areas.
Farmer
[www.ageasbowl.com]
My ticket, bought the previous evening, did not arrive until the next day when the ticket office opened (10-3 on non-matchdays at least).
Also for members, I understand that the receipt for your Somerset membership purchase should gain you access to members areas.
Farmer
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 14:37
With a severely weakened attack then I suspect we will privately welcome it if the forecast rain materialises, not that we’d ever publicly admit such a thing.
On paper the attack is at least as weak as the one that featured in the horrendous final four CC games of last season, with Siddle replacing Davey the only change of significance.
If the rain doesn’t turn up?
I’d expect to lose heavily.
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On paper the attack is at least as weak as the one that featured in the horrendous final four CC games of last season, with Siddle replacing Davey the only change of significance.
If the rain doesn’t turn up?
I’d expect to lose heavily.
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 14:58
Well that's put the mockers on our season before it starts.
We're doomed already.
Only AG could be so pessamistic.
We're doomed already.
Only AG could be so pessamistic.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 15:15
What rain?
Perfect 4 days per the BBC.
Grock will have to revive his planned trip & join Farmer & I.....
Roll on 11am ☀️🏏👍
Perfect 4 days per the BBC.
Grock will have to revive his planned trip & join Farmer & I.....
Roll on 11am ☀️🏏👍
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 15:48
Won't be there. Plans already changed. Don't trust the BBC for very much these days I'm afraid.
Good of them to finally publish county previews though once the franchise draft was done.
Shame we are under strength but words like 'severely' ought to be used sparingly.
I'm presently unaware of Josh's level of actual fitness. I'm also happy to see Peter Siddle in Somerset whites. Lewis has to prove something and Jack Brooks is fighting for his season from Day 1 so there are things to be gained from maximum effort.
The batting has to show it has improved. Renshaw is only 1 batsman the rest also have to up their game and I'm willing to wait before i unilaterally dismiss any gains that might have happened since the Warwickshire game of 2021. I'm sad Tom Banton isn't available but he also has some way to go before he could be seen as a main cog in our batting line-up. Tom Lammonby has something to prove. Ben Green slso if he wants to open. George Bartlett has a very important season ahead and Lewis Goldsworthy may get an earlier than expected chance to make his case.
Of the rain curtails the match then so be it. If it doesn't then the eleven picked have to play the best game possible and we'll see how "severely weak" the result is.
Happy to go into a game AG has written off because he's more wrong than he has ever been right.
Anyway. Have a good 2022 season people Grockles will be there at the end all being well. Buckle up! I'm sure it's going to be a bumpy ride!!
Good of them to finally publish county previews though once the franchise draft was done.
Shame we are under strength but words like 'severely' ought to be used sparingly.
I'm presently unaware of Josh's level of actual fitness. I'm also happy to see Peter Siddle in Somerset whites. Lewis has to prove something and Jack Brooks is fighting for his season from Day 1 so there are things to be gained from maximum effort.
The batting has to show it has improved. Renshaw is only 1 batsman the rest also have to up their game and I'm willing to wait before i unilaterally dismiss any gains that might have happened since the Warwickshire game of 2021. I'm sad Tom Banton isn't available but he also has some way to go before he could be seen as a main cog in our batting line-up. Tom Lammonby has something to prove. Ben Green slso if he wants to open. George Bartlett has a very important season ahead and Lewis Goldsworthy may get an earlier than expected chance to make his case.
Of the rain curtails the match then so be it. If it doesn't then the eleven picked have to play the best game possible and we'll see how "severely weak" the result is.
Happy to go into a game AG has written off because he's more wrong than he has ever been right.
Anyway. Have a good 2022 season people Grockles will be there at the end all being well. Buckle up! I'm sure it's going to be a bumpy ride!!
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 15:59
Lewis Gregory is unavailable due to illness.
Josh Davey also not available as he's still recovering from groin operation.
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Josh Davey also not available as he's still recovering from groin operation.
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 16:09
James Vince will miss the first two sessions on day on to attend the funeral of his father-in-law.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 16:47
Tom Abell (c), Kasey Aldridge, George Bartlett, Jack Brooks, Steve Davies, Marchant de Lange, Lewis Goldsworthy, Ben Green, James Hildreth, Tom Lammonby, Ned Leonard, Peter Siddle and Roelof van der Merwe
Is the squad for tomorrow
You'd expect Tom to be joined by Steve Davies (will he open?), Peter Siddle, James Hildreth, Reolof van der Merwe at least from the experienced set. Ben Green & Tom Lammonby in the batting most likely as openers with George and Lewis to bolster the batting.
Jack will most likely start and it would be good to.see Ned play but they may go.with MdL. Think that is a mistake but can understand the mindset with 6 out and little variation. Kasey may get a look in but Ned would be a better bet to me.
Green
Lammonby
Abell
Hildreth
Bartlett
Davies
Goldsworthy
van der Merwe
Brooks
Siddle
Leonard
Is mine but...puts pressure on Abell & Green. Not a lot of choice when the Devil drives...
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Is the squad for tomorrow
You'd expect Tom to be joined by Steve Davies (will he open?), Peter Siddle, James Hildreth, Reolof van der Merwe at least from the experienced set. Ben Green & Tom Lammonby in the batting most likely as openers with George and Lewis to bolster the batting.
Jack will most likely start and it would be good to.see Ned play but they may go.with MdL. Think that is a mistake but can understand the mindset with 6 out and little variation. Kasey may get a look in but Ned would be a better bet to me.
Green
Lammonby
Abell
Hildreth
Bartlett
Davies
Goldsworthy
van der Merwe
Brooks
Siddle
Leonard
Is mine but...puts pressure on Abell & Green. Not a lot of choice when the Devil drives...
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 18:41
Four first choice bowlers out is certainly sufficient to merit the adverb “severely,” in front of the adjective “weakened,” for our attack Grockle, I would say!
As I said, Siddle for Davey looks the only real change from the unit that proved wholly inadequate in the final stanza of last season.
Ten years ago, Siddle for Davey would have been an obvious upgrade? Now? Well PS is, I think, about 37 and Davey has blossomed into a really good bowler. So, at best, it’s what the Americans would call “a wash,” I.e Siddle for Davey is neither a plus nor a minus.
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As I said, Siddle for Davey looks the only real change from the unit that proved wholly inadequate in the final stanza of last season.
Ten years ago, Siddle for Davey would have been an obvious upgrade? Now? Well PS is, I think, about 37 and Davey has blossomed into a really good bowler. So, at best, it’s what the Americans would call “a wash,” I.e Siddle for Davey is neither a plus nor a minus.
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 19:00
Yeah but when you were using it there were 2 out AG so don't go all usually 'holier than thou' 🤣
It's more serious now but until we see what happens we have no idea where this batting unit is in relation to last year's so the same prognosis applies.
If you weren't pessimistic we'd all think something was wrong and your obsession with refusing to accept things change is at least consistent.
But as I said you are not always right and I'm happy to wait and see. You don't get to say 'I told you all so' all that often.
Hope this next four days does not change that trend
It's more serious now but until we see what happens we have no idea where this batting unit is in relation to last year's so the same prognosis applies.
If you weren't pessimistic we'd all think something was wrong and your obsession with refusing to accept things change is at least consistent.
But as I said you are not always right and I'm happy to wait and see. You don't get to say 'I told you all so' all that often.
Hope this next four days does not change that trend
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 19:11
No, Grockle. I had already read the team news on the club website *before* I posted. So I already knew that Davey and Gregory were out in addition to the ones removed by ECB fiat.
It’s not my fault you hadn’t read it.
Same is why I said Siddle for Davey was the only difference between what we had at the end of this season and what we will have at Hedge End.
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It’s not my fault you hadn’t read it.
Same is why I said Siddle for Davey was the only difference between what we had at the end of this season and what we will have at Hedge End.
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 20:08
The list is up.on Twitter. Hope it's not in order choosing Kasey and Marchant over Jack B and Ned I'd see as a mistake.
But we go with what we have and we see how the cards fall.
AG - well done you
The same at the end of last season may not be the same as 'Hedge End' but you won't have long to wait and see will you.
Enjoy... many probably will more than you either way.
But we go with what we have and we see how the cards fall.
AG - well done you
The same at the end of last season may not be the same as 'Hedge End' but you won't have long to wait and see will you.
Enjoy... many probably will more than you either way.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 21:47
There would have been little point playing the pre-season games if Aldridge has really vaulted ahead of Leonard, given that the latter did well.
But I don’t think we would actually pick KA ahead of NL.
As for Marchant? If they’re not going to pick him when Cove is unavailable and Gregory and Davey are both hors de combat, then when exactly would they pick him?
I suspect, therefore that Ned will, sadly, miss out, but that it will be Brooks and MDL that join Siddle in one of the older seam attacks that SCCC will ever have fielded. I expect Abell/Green will be left to fiddle the 4th seamer role between them.
But I don’t think we would actually pick KA ahead of NL.
As for Marchant? If they’re not going to pick him when Cove is unavailable and Gregory and Davey are both hors de combat, then when exactly would they pick him?
I suspect, therefore that Ned will, sadly, miss out, but that it will be Brooks and MDL that join Siddle in one of the older seam attacks that SCCC will ever have fielded. I expect Abell/Green will be left to fiddle the 4th seamer role between them.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 22:18
We got Hampshire out for 79 and won by 10 wickets last May with the same batting line up as suggested by Grockle (except Byrom for Green). Difference is Gregory took 4, Overton 2 and Davey 2. Therein lies the difference
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 23:40
I can see Merchant being picked more for his batting than his bowling.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 23:50
Well there is a bit of that. Lewis may get a game on that basis to shorten the tail. Marchant hits it further but does he hit it more often than Brooksy?
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 06/04/2022 23:51
Rain and wind starting early in the South West... wonder which way its moving?
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 00:17
Struggling to see why Jack Leach & Craig Overton need to be rested by the ECB. Both of them are somewhat like Caddy, in as much as they generally improve the more they bowl.
But what do I know. After all the ECB's track record of player management has been absolutely first class over the last few years.
Hasn't it ?
Grizzers
But what do I know. After all the ECB's track record of player management has been absolutely first class over the last few years.
Hasn't it ?
Grizzers
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 08:56
It's fun isn't it? Just when you get your plan ready to go....
It has been a tough winter for the England boys but I think they probably know what is best for them.... maybe it should be their decision? Is that allowed?
You gotta hope they were consulted/included in the decisions
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It has been a tough winter for the England boys but I think they probably know what is best for them.... maybe it should be their decision? Is that allowed?
You gotta hope they were consulted/included in the decisions
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 09:31
Sunny and windy here, about 5 miles from Hedge End, so won’t be very pleasant watching conditions at the Bowl but should get play hopefully
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 09:39
Happy first day of the new season everyone.
May your match days be warm and dry, your Thatchers cold and wet. and your photos the perfect shot. Enjoy!
May your match days be warm and dry, your Thatchers cold and wet. and your photos the perfect shot. Enjoy!
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 09:56
Bright but cloudy near the ground at present. Blowing half a gale. Met Office predicting less than 5% chance of rain all day. Our main pace attack, assuming we go for experience on the AGEAS pitch, averages age 35. Theirs averages age 34. If experience counts, we have the edge ...
Farmer
Farmer
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 10:41
Brooks and Bartlett both out, too.
It’s a MASH unit. I assume Brooks has caught whatever Gregory has.
It’s a MASH unit. I assume Brooks has caught whatever Gregory has.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 10:42
So we are now down four first choice bowlers and a senior reserve bowler!
WSM - De Lange will be playing this one, at least!
WSM - De Lange will be playing this one, at least!
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 10:48
What is going on with all these players not playing?
Anybody has a total number of players not available?
Anybody has a total number of players not available?
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 10:58
And with 8 out (counting Renshaw) we can now apply the “severely weakened,” description to not only the bowling attack, but the XI in general, I’m afraid.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 11:08
Pitch looks to have not so much as a hint of green in it?
Quite surprising for the time of year.
Based purely on the colour of the pitch, one can certainly understand Tom’s decision to bat first.
If the pitch “plays its colour,” then our depleted bowling attack is likely to really have its work cut out.
Quite surprising for the time of year.
Based purely on the colour of the pitch, one can certainly understand Tom’s decision to bat first.
If the pitch “plays its colour,” then our depleted bowling attack is likely to really have its work cut out.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 11:28
Looking at this pitch we can say, without fear of contradiction, that Jack Leach would *definitely* have been selected, had the Execrable Cricket Board not deemed otherwise.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 12:42
Game going pretty much as one would expect Hants first team Vs Somerset reserves (bar 3 or so players) to go, sadly.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 12:54
Just have 1 day off will you AG.
You revel in any bad hour, session, day more than anyone I know.
The sun is shining, we are allowed back in fully.
Healthy crowd (for this place)
Great cricket hum in the ground of supporters enjoying live cricket.
Not even through 1 session yet let alone a day, maybe for a change see how the game develops hey.....
You revel in any bad hour, session, day more than anyone I know.
The sun is shining, we are allowed back in fully.
Healthy crowd (for this place)
Great cricket hum in the ground of supporters enjoying live cricket.
Not even through 1 session yet let alone a day, maybe for a change see how the game develops hey.....
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 13:00
Not “revelling,” in anything, WSM.
Much better if we actually succeed.
But, as I said pre-season, unless our first choice attack is regularly available then our season is much more likely than not to go as the tail end of last season did, I’m afraid.
It’s rather obvious “how this game will develop,” WSM, I’m afraid. Not a great deal of suspense involved, sadly.
More likely than not?
Somerset about 175(if we’re lucky) and about 175 and Hants, most likely, at least 300 first up and then an easy win batting last (if we even make them bat a second time)
Much better if we actually succeed.
But, as I said pre-season, unless our first choice attack is regularly available then our season is much more likely than not to go as the tail end of last season did, I’m afraid.
It’s rather obvious “how this game will develop,” WSM, I’m afraid. Not a great deal of suspense involved, sadly.
More likely than not?
Somerset about 175(if we’re lucky) and about 175 and Hants, most likely, at least 300 first up and then an easy win batting last (if we even make them bat a second time)
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 13:01
That Barker delivery to Davies moved a mile.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 13:10
First one all morning to move to anything like that extent. You can see why Steve thought he could safely leave it, based on everything that had gone before.
Barker, Abbas and Abbott bowled well, as one would expect.
If you’re down as many players as we are, then you really have to hope and pray for stellar efforts from those few first choice players you still have available.
But Abell and Davies have made very few between them. Siddle will need a miraculous bowling performance to give us any shot. I really don’t think it’s a bad pitch for batting on at all. But it is slow and so is the outfield.
Barker, Abbas and Abbott bowled well, as one would expect.
If you’re down as many players as we are, then you really have to hope and pray for stellar efforts from those few first choice players you still have available.
But Abell and Davies have made very few between them. Siddle will need a miraculous bowling performance to give us any shot. I really don’t think it’s a bad pitch for batting on at all. But it is slow and so is the outfield.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 13:13
Do you not think we missed a trick by not bowling first especially with the James Vince missing two sessions situation?
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 13:22
Did Somerset have prior knowledge of James Vince's intended absence prior to the toss?
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 13:30
Predicted rain this morning was 70% for 10 this morning at 5am... by 8am it was 8%.... did God just decide not to bother or did the prediction muskrat have an embulism? 🤣🤣 I can understand them being out by double %s but 60% is not exactly in the ball park.
Wind prediction is spot on though.
Wind prediction is spot on though.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 13:31
Yes I would assume so it was on the BBC yesterday
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 13:32
I think the decision was taken based on:
A) The hue of the pitch
The fact we only have two experienced frontline bowlers playing one of whom, if we’re honest, SCCC don’t seem to really fancy.
I don’t think Tom got the call wrong. The pitch is not bad for batting on. Barker, Abbas and Abbott are better at bowling than our top six are at batting. And an argument can be made that it’s better for our first innings not to be taking place in response to what may very well prove an above-par Hants total.
A) The hue of the pitch
The fact we only have two experienced frontline bowlers playing one of whom, if we’re honest, SCCC don’t seem to really fancy.
I don’t think Tom got the call wrong. The pitch is not bad for batting on. Barker, Abbas and Abbott are better at bowling than our top six are at batting. And an argument can be made that it’s better for our first innings not to be taking place in response to what may very well prove an above-par Hants total.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 13:51
I suspect Tom Abell is too much of a gentleman to take advantage of somebodies unfortunate personal circumstances too so it wouldn’t have come into the equation
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 14:25
The Hants sub, who is apparently named Curry looks enormously tall?
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Flyboy (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 14:41
Hildreth picked a good to.time to come into form.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 14:54
I quite confident that if Lewis Gregory had the armband and had made that call he'd have got the blame.
Grockle - think the weather moved north a bit, hail stones in North Somerset.
Grockle - think the weather moved north a bit, hail stones in North Somerset.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 15:00
Armband?
Wrong sport.
But, no, you are wrong.
There’s nothing to suggest the call was wrong.
No use pointing at the scoreboard because Barker, Abbott and Abbas are simply better at bowling than we are at batting. And if our top six were batting against them with a big Hants total already on the board? I’d be willing to bet that scoreboard pressure would help cause carnage.
Wrong sport.
But, no, you are wrong.
There’s nothing to suggest the call was wrong.
No use pointing at the scoreboard because Barker, Abbott and Abbas are simply better at bowling than we are at batting. And if our top six were batting against them with a big Hants total already on the board? I’d be willing to bet that scoreboard pressure would help cause carnage.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 15:31
I wonder, with Hildreth gone, whether Kasey should attempt to open up a bit. He has long levers. And he doesn’t necessarily look particularly secure playing in defensive mode.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 15:59
Good catch by Curry from his considerable height.
I assume MDL will bat in attack mode and so some entertainment might be forthcoming.
I assume MDL will bat in attack mode and so some entertainment might be forthcoming.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 16:04
Leachy will be gutted, watching that from Dawson to Aldridge..
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 16:10
180. A pity it’s not darts.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 16:12
Well, 180 all out.
More or less as expected.
In terms of the top six at least they didn’t roll over with abject dismissals as per the debacle at the end of last season. Generally, we at least made them bowl us out.
I think Siddle will have to bowl incredibly well for us to make a game of this. From what I’ve seen so far, I think it’s a 275 or so par deck. But their top three bowlers are obviously accomplished performers.
More or less as expected.
In terms of the top six at least they didn’t roll over with abject dismissals as per the debacle at the end of last season. Generally, we at least made them bowl us out.
I think Siddle will have to bowl incredibly well for us to make a game of this. From what I’ve seen so far, I think it’s a 275 or so par deck. But their top three bowlers are obviously accomplished performers.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 16:23
I invite all those who said Hildreth should not be selected for this match to name and shame themselves.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 16:40
Well Siddle, as one would expect, looks useful, thus far.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 16:44
Good pace and bounce from Ned.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 19:15
Sorry LoL I think I deleted a post of yours trying to delete the one below it.
I have also noticed we have a significant number of absentees at the start of this season.
Old Boy!
Clarence
Tom Seymour
Were the three I noticed Some just go elsewhere or simply stop but it would be nice to know that this is all it is.
As the years go on people have invested considerable amounts of time here so their absence is noticed and significant.
Well done yourself it's good to see.
Is there anyone else noticable by their absence?
I have also noticed we have a significant number of absentees at the start of this season.
Old Boy!
Clarence
Tom Seymour
Were the three I noticed Some just go elsewhere or simply stop but it would be nice to know that this is all it is.
As the years go on people have invested considerable amounts of time here so their absence is noticed and significant.
Well done yourself it's good to see.
Is there anyone else noticable by their absence?
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 19:25
Quote:AGod
Well, 180 all out.
More or less as expected.
In terms of the top six at least they didn’t roll over with abject dismissals as per the debacle at the end of last season. Generally, we at least made them bowl us out.
I think Siddle will have to bowl incredibly well for us to make a game of this. From what I’ve seen so far, I think it’s a 275 or so par deck. But their top three bowlers are obviously accomplished performers.
I'd suggest it's more than any scenario you expected AG
At least Hildreth turned up.
It's good to see Green & Lammonby have obviously worked at their defence. That was obviously what was going on in the friendlies. BUT it is little use sticking if it is at the expense of scoring any runs. Tom showed in the pre season games that he had a defence but he became vulnerable almost as soon as he tried to move the score on. The next job is to work on that transition.
The vulnerability to the moving ball is there and the wind did not help it stop moving.
As someone pointed out with the loss of Brooks we are down to bowlers we have. Only one I haven't seen is Siddle. Wickets were not their forte in March except for RvdM. Just gotta keep it tight and hope the pitch gives em something.
Haven't watched much this afternoon. Can't say the end of day score suggests we are going to find this easy. Hope the weather forcast for tomorrow is closer to the one from earlier in the week.
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Devonboy70 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 20:23
Well another season and yet again no batting points ! They can practice as much as they want in preseason but when it matters yet again failure . Don’t worry though lads you can all look forward to your contract extensions irrespective of performance in red ball .
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 20:37
Quote:Grockle
Sorry LoL I think I deleted a post of yours trying to delete the one below it.
I have also noticed we have a significant number of absentees at the start of this season.
Old Boy!
Clarence
Tom Seymour
Were the three I noticed Some just go elsewhere or simply stop but it would be nice to know that this is all it is.
As the years go on people have invested considerable amounts of time here so their absence is noticed and significant.
Well done yourself it's good to see.
Is there anyone else noticable by their absence?
I'm still here on an old laptop, which has stored my info, but all my apple stuff won't let me log in and I can't remember my password. Email is my old work address and I've long since retired. Just tested Covid positive, so hopefully it wont be a brief reunion.
I've taken up a long awaited white ball membership in the all weather section.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 21:02
The total of 180 is precisely 5 runs more than I predicted shortly before lunch, Grockle, having seen the first 90 minutes or so.
If you’d asked me yesterday, it’s true that I’d have expected only 150 max, knowing how routinely ineffective our top six unit is, but then that’s because I suspected we’d see a green track doing all sorts (as for the equivalent fixture last season) but - in reality this pitch is far from loaded in favour of the ball.
If you’d asked me yesterday, it’s true that I’d have expected only 150 max, knowing how routinely ineffective our top six unit is, but then that’s because I suspected we’d see a green track doing all sorts (as for the equivalent fixture last season) but - in reality this pitch is far from loaded in favour of the ball.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 21:03
Probably a good idea to change your profile details before the old laptop packs up Botham
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 21:10
Yeah AG but you are a massive pessimist nowadays (must be your age I think) so I assumed that 175 was hugely optimistic for your hypothetical scenario and you were hoping to come on and post how much worse than your best estimate our performance was.
I therefore asssumed you would be disappointed that you weren't able to say 'I told you so' which seems to be all you want to do nowadays.
Hildreth's performance today was the best part of Someset's day for two reasons therefore - he played well and he possibly made your day worse than you thought it would be. Yay!!
Never mind there's always tomorrow to moan about. I'm sure there will be things to pick on if it doesn't rain
I therefore asssumed you would be disappointed that you weren't able to say 'I told you so' which seems to be all you want to do nowadays.
Hildreth's performance today was the best part of Someset's day for two reasons therefore - he played well and he possibly made your day worse than you thought it would be. Yay!!
Never mind there's always tomorrow to moan about. I'm sure there will be things to pick on if it doesn't rain
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 21:20
Nothing to do with age or “pessimism.” Everything to do with not having won a single red ball game since May combined with the fact that we are already down to our last 11 fit professionals (at least according to Mr Gibson).
When a team hasn’t won for yonks and has at least 9 players unavailable then expecting anything other than a heavy defeat would defy all logic, really.
When a team hasn’t won for yonks and has at least 9 players unavailable then expecting anything other than a heavy defeat would defy all logic, really.
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Posted by: somerset blue (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 21:55
What is this, Bartlett dislocating his shoulder in the footy warm up today 🤦♂️
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 21:59
God only knows why they continue with that nonsense. Not the first injury we’ve had in that pointless activity and certainly won’t be the last.
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Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 22:08
Is this a wind up Somerset Blue? I will suspend my incredulity until I see confirmation.
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Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 22:18
How great is it to be at live cricket 👍
Lovely day in the sun watching our team. (If a little windy!)
Great company, Farmer & Tractor in fine form.
For those writing us off after red ball day 1 of 56 sat Infront your computer screen watching the stream, glad you aren't here 😜😜
Lovely day in the sun watching our team. (If a little windy!)
Great company, Farmer & Tractor in fine form.
For those writing us off after red ball day 1 of 56 sat Infront your computer screen watching the stream, glad you aren't here 😜😜
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 22:41
Quote:somerset blue
What is this, Bartlett dislocating his shoulder in the footy warm up today 🤦♂️
Please don't anyone confirm that!! 🤪🤣🤪
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Posted by: That Bloke With The Dog (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 22:47
I don't mind admitting I wrote Hildreth off last September. It wasn't so much the lack of fluency - you expect that to go missing at times with age - but I got the impression he didn't really care about it either. Mind you, he wasn't the only one to give me that impression during that horror month.
So, what a pleasure to be proven so comprehensively wrong today. A first-ball perfect yorker from a left-arm spinner was about the only way he was ever going to get out.
The other ten players though ... they looked like a second-XI coming back from a long lay-off. Has there ever been a pre-season for Somerset where the coaches haven't insisted that things couldn't have gone better, despite us being outplayed in every game? Just for once. I'd like to see us taking these games unfashionably seriously. No 'retired outs' - just try flat-out to win these matches, however uncool such an attitude might be, and see whether that helps when it comes to Game One in the Championship.
So, what a pleasure to be proven so comprehensively wrong today. A first-ball perfect yorker from a left-arm spinner was about the only way he was ever going to get out.
The other ten players though ... they looked like a second-XI coming back from a long lay-off. Has there ever been a pre-season for Somerset where the coaches haven't insisted that things couldn't have gone better, despite us being outplayed in every game? Just for once. I'd like to see us taking these games unfashionably seriously. No 'retired outs' - just try flat-out to win these matches, however uncool such an attitude might be, and see whether that helps when it comes to Game One in the Championship.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 23:28
Let’s face it, nobody really believes those “couldn’t have gone better,” spiels anyway.
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Posted by: That Bloke With The Dog (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2022 23:39
I think the players do.
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Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 02:52
Well done James.
Let's leave it at that !
Grizzers
Let's leave it at that !
Grizzers
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Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 09:07
One missing poster we desperately need is the most optimistic contributor ever: Big Jim aka latterly Owain Glyndwr (sp?).
Jim would be predicting 10 wickets before lunch and a first innings lead.
Jim would be predicting 10 wickets before lunch and a first innings lead.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 09:15
It's grey overcast & spits in the air so yes bobstan I'd fully expect us to be batting after lunch.....
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 09:41
This was the worst day forecast so the amount of cricket today may be limited. 99% prediction of rain (at this present moment!!) But although its predicted all day its only 50/45% each hour!! How does that work?
Suggests a more off than on day but who.knows?
Suggests a more off than on day but who.knows?
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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 09:44
I think there will be very little time lost today to rain, maybe a bit of bad light
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Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 09:47
I feel with your forecasters Grockle you would not watch a ball this season.
No more than 25% any hour per BBC.
Which if I have maths right means 75% it won't rain any given hour.....
Off to ground to enjoy day 2 ☀️🏏🍻
No more than 25% any hour per BBC.
Which if I have maths right means 75% it won't rain any given hour.....
Off to ground to enjoy day 2 ☀️🏏🍻
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Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 10:10
wsm, you are proving to be a very good optimist in the Big Jim mould. Enjoy your day - even if there are only 8 wickets before luncheon!
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Posted by: Hayseed (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 10:16
Not quite rainibg yet i dont think, its dark though and definitely overcast. Certainly, you'd think, a great dsy for bowling. Not necessarily a, great day for spectating...
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Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 10:43
James Hildreth, innings of the opening round yesterday... almost
We had some posts a few years back about his first class runs scored. 17,738 at the end of last season according to ESPN. I wish the official site would update the player records. Hopefully the first of many good innings for James this season
We had some posts a few years back about his first class runs scored. 17,738 at the end of last season according to ESPN. I wish the official site would update the player records. Hopefully the first of many good innings for James this season
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 11:30
Happy 2022 everyone, hope you're all well and enjoying another splendid performance by our heroes. Sadly I missed yesterday due to babysitting duties, but looking forward to a few hours watching the boys lull the hapless Hampshire lads into a false sense of security. Dydd hapus.
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 11:43
One of the many things I cannot understand is why we feel the need to spend a lot of money going on a preseason trip to the Middle East and then come back and forget all that we’ve learnt. We probably should practice in more natural conditions.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 11:52
Good to have Big Jim on board again, all poised for a bumper season. Have any of our contributors noticed that only two of Hampshire's batsmen have scored ANY runs this season?
I'm going out for a while now and expect great excitement while I'm away.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I'm going out for a while now and expect great excitement while I'm away.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:01
Surely time to give Roelof and Green a bowl
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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:05
It’s only Hildreth and the wicket keeper that dont bowl in this team so we should have plenty of choice!
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Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:32
Well done Roelof, a shame it took so long to try something a little different.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:34
Quote:Grockle
This was the worst day forecast so the amount of cricket today may be limited. 99% prediction of rain (at this present moment!!) But although its predicted all day its only 50/45% each hour!! How does that work?
Suggests a more off than on day but who.knows?
Very simply: if there’s a 50% chance per hour, that’s equivalent to a coin flip.
If “the day,” for this purpose lasts 12 hours, then 12 straight coin flips would have to come down the same way for it to be true that the chance of rain at some point during that 12 hour period would be less than 100%.
The odds of getting 12 identical results in a row would be 0.5 to the power of 12… ergo the true chance of rain at some point is, indeed, 100% (with a little rounding up) if AND ONLY if the original hourly risk % was correct.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:35
The question was rhetorical. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:35
Called that one right . For once!!!!
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:36
BJ - also, Dawson got some to turn yesterday… making it more annoying that it took so long to introduce VDM.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:36
Quote:Grockle
Probably a good idea to change your profile details before the old laptop packs up Botham
Dave, at Sports Network, has been most helpful.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:38
Quote:wsm fan
I feel with your forecasters Grockle you would not watch a ball this season.
No more than 25% any hour per BBC.
Which if I have maths right means 75% it won't rain any given hour.....
Off to ground to enjoy day 2 ☀️🏏🍻
I'd travel to Taunton WSM just not going to waste time travelling this time of year to see away games unless I see something worth seeing. Not sure the weather was the determining factor on this particular game tbh
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Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:41
Well it hasn't rained since 10am.
It isn't raining.
And doesn't look like it will rain.
So whatever percentage analysis you do to the power of some made up number is pure nonsense!
We have found a 12th Man to do drinks, assuming his teacher let him have the day off from school because he looks about 13 😱
It isn't raining.
And doesn't look like it will rain.
So whatever percentage analysis you do to the power of some made up number is pure nonsense!
We have found a 12th Man to do drinks, assuming his teacher let him have the day off from school because he looks about 13 😱
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:43
As for this match and its inevitable result?
As was said before the season began and as was already proven by the events of last season, we are not capable of competing unless most of our first-choice bowling attack is available, since it is the bowling that has carried us for years and our batting unit is simply not good enough.
When I expressed this view this was denounced as “pessimistic.” It was not. Suggesting that we might have to cope without first choice bowlers for much of the season might be so described, perhaps, but I made no prediction on that score. The only prediction was that our chances of being even remotely competitive hinged on having our first choice bowling attack regularly available.
This match is now the fifth successive piece of evidence strongly in favour of this point.
As was said before the season began and as was already proven by the events of last season, we are not capable of competing unless most of our first-choice bowling attack is available, since it is the bowling that has carried us for years and our batting unit is simply not good enough.
When I expressed this view this was denounced as “pessimistic.” It was not. Suggesting that we might have to cope without first choice bowlers for much of the season might be so described, perhaps, but I made no prediction on that score. The only prediction was that our chances of being even remotely competitive hinged on having our first choice bowling attack regularly available.
This match is now the fifth successive piece of evidence strongly in favour of this point.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:46
I didn’t say it would rain, WSM (though Jason Kerr must be praying for it).
I simply said if the idea that the chance of rain every hour really was 50% (if that were accurate) then the chance of avoiding rain at some point in the day would be about 0.000000000001% (or something like that)
I simply said if the idea that the chance of rain every hour really was 50% (if that were accurate) then the chance of avoiding rain at some point in the day would be about 0.000000000001% (or something like that)
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 12:51
It’s rained most of the morning in Dorset, at least this part of it.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 13:00
Anthony Gibson has just mentioned that Somerset asked the ECB to release the 2 England guys when the injury situation increased. The ECB refused the request.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022:04:08:13:02:39 by Grockle.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 13:01
Quote:BothamQuote:Grockle
Probably a good idea to change your profile details before the old laptop packs up Botham
Dave, at Sports Network, has been most helpful.
He always has been
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 13:14
Of course they refused, Grockle, not for nothing are they known as the worst administrative body - by far - of any major sport.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 13:14
Quote:AGod
When I expressed this view this was denounced as “pessimistic.” It was not.....
In case you aren't sure about the definition of a pessimist AG,
'...the tendency to expect only bad outcomes; gloomy; joyless; unhopeful:...'
Think it fits whether the end result was right or not.
The analysis of your view was based on your expectation of an outcome NOT the actual result itself. Nothing good to.say and no belief in any possible positive outcomes is... sorry to say... a pessimistic view no matter how many paragraphs you now psot trying to show it in another light.
You rarely these days post with any kind of balance even when more balance than this situation exists.
But don't let me stop you taking up another half a page justifying yourself once more it's lunchtime... there's a bit of space in the game 😀👍
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 13:14
Of course they refused, Grockle, not for nothing are they known as the worst administrative body - by far - of any major sport.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 13:19
Quote:wsm fan
Well it hasn't rained since 10am.
It isn't raining.
And doesn't look like it will rain.
So whatever percentage analysis you do to the power of some made up number is pure nonsense!
Didn't do any analysis. Just looked on my phone. However, the general news of team selection had far more to do with allowing forecasts to convince me to watch the stream and wait until the Essex game.
Nothing I've seen so far has convinced me I made a bad decision to leave travelling to away games until later in the season if I fancy it. Each to their own
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 13:23
The point of “ undue pessimism,” is really to have the idea that bad things will happen, in the absence of sensible grounds for that belief.
This isn’t merely some idea of mine though.
We haven’t won a match in this competition since May last year and the next time we win one we will have a full-strength or near full-strength bowling side (at least 3 of 4 first-choice seamers) on the park. Because this top six isn’t going to be the decisive factor in beating anyone at CC1 level (they probably couldn’t be the decisive factor in beating anyone at CC2 level).
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This isn’t merely some idea of mine though.
We haven’t won a match in this competition since May last year and the next time we win one we will have a full-strength or near full-strength bowling side (at least 3 of 4 first-choice seamers) on the park. Because this top six isn’t going to be the decisive factor in beating anyone at CC1 level (they probably couldn’t be the decisive factor in beating anyone at CC2 level).
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 13:52
Getting to the point, in my view, where we can’t really take any chances in terms of overbowling Peter Siddle and should use him only sparingly for the rest of this game.
I don’t know whether the Execrable Cricket Board have pronounced on the availability of Cove/Leachy? I don’t know what LG’s illness was so anyone’s guess whether he will be fit and it is surely fair to assume that Josh Davey, after very limited pre-season work, is unlikely to suddenly be both super fit and in top form as soon as our next match.
So… if there are question marks as to who will be available for the next one, and there surely must be, we can ill afford to risk the one true frontline pace bowler we currently have available (let’s face it, the club don’t truly rate MDL and he won’t be first choice if those mentioned in the above paragraph are fit).
I don’t know whether the Execrable Cricket Board have pronounced on the availability of Cove/Leachy? I don’t know what LG’s illness was so anyone’s guess whether he will be fit and it is surely fair to assume that Josh Davey, after very limited pre-season work, is unlikely to suddenly be both super fit and in top form as soon as our next match.
So… if there are question marks as to who will be available for the next one, and there surely must be, we can ill afford to risk the one true frontline pace bowler we currently have available (let’s face it, the club don’t truly rate MDL and he won’t be first choice if those mentioned in the above paragraph are fit).
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 15:14
Assuming all our bowlers are fit, who will our available spin bowlers be?
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 15:16
Quote:Botham
Assuming all our bowlers are fit, who will our available spin bowlers be?
Whilst typing that, I missed the wicket!
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 15:38
Jack Leach RvdM, Lewis Goldsworthy, Max Walker
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 15:44
Love the idea that you add the 'undue' and then try to redefine pessimism in order to try and show that you are not presently a pessimist... aww bless 👍
More to do with having a 'miserable outlook' than having 'sensible alternatives'.
Things are looking up. Siddle AND Leonard both have wickets.... ahh optimism how I have missed you
More to do with having a 'miserable outlook' than having 'sensible alternatives'.
Things are looking up. Siddle AND Leonard both have wickets.... ahh optimism how I have missed you
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 16:09
Quote:Grockle
Jack Leach RvdM, Lewis Goldsworthy, Max Walker
Potential for Jack to be unavailable and Max is on white ball contract, so we could be struggling.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 16:27
Didn't specify red ball bowlers.
We'd still have 2 but the question us more about how good a bowler Gokdsworthy actually is
Are there any coming through?
We'd still have 2 but the question us more about how good a bowler Gokdsworthy actually is
Are there any coming through?
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Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 16:40
Quote:BothamQuote:Grockle
Jack Leach RvdM, Lewis Goldsworthy, Max Walker
Potential for Jack to be unavailable and Max is on white ball contract, so we could be struggling.
We really are struggling if it’s Max Walker! Think he may even be deceased but when you get to my age you can’t remember who has died and who hasn’t.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 16:46
Looks like we will have a target of at least 5 sessions and well over 200 to get in order to survive losing by an innings. The only thing that may help with that is the light quality and if the GOOD forecasts are wrong for Saturday and Sunday.
As Anthony mentioned earlier today the job will be to bat long and do nothing extravagent. There is still a definite job to do in this game.
As Anthony mentioned earlier today the job will be to bat long and do nothing extravagent. There is still a definite job to do in this game.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 16:54
As someone pointed out, Max has not been retained by his franchise so he might be available for the Royal London. When was the last time he played a non T20 game?
Steve Kirby gave him a very long bowling session during the last friendly - over 2 hours but as someone said at the time it was not sure whether he was bowling to the batsmen or working on his deliveries.
Steve Kirby gave him a very long bowling session during the last friendly - over 2 hours but as someone said at the time it was not sure whether he was bowling to the batsmen or working on his deliveries.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 17:10
About 9 balls late for the 6th wicket. Only 1 bonus point to Hampshire's 7.
Is it now in Somerset's interest to bowl Hampshire out? Should they tighten up and keep their scoring down while allowing them to bat into Day 3.
Movement of the ball and the bounce will be worrying for the second half of this game
Is it now in Somerset's interest to bowl Hampshire out? Should they tighten up and keep their scoring down while allowing them to bat into Day 3.
Movement of the ball and the bounce will be worrying for the second half of this game
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 17:22
Interesting point that with a lack of front line bowlers we have not tried all our variations as Tom Lammonby has not bowled in this innings. Gibson suggests he has a finger injury but that is on his other hand - maybe some left hand stuff might have helped or he isn't looked on as a bowling option this season.
He seemed to be getting a little tighter at the end of last season but maybe he's given up trying the bowling batsman role?
He seemed to be getting a little tighter at the end of last season but maybe he's given up trying the bowling batsman role?
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 17:45
Leave em in if you can boys- not sure we want 6 overs this evening and then another dig tomorrow.
This definitely looks like they will declare after this one
Baker run out with a lead of 248. Game on
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This definitely looks like they will declare after this one
Baker run out with a lead of 248. Game on
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 17:54
Latterly an excellent effort by our lads.
Of course, we could be three down by the close, but maybe it’ll snow, like it has just along the coast!
Of course, we could be three down by the close, but maybe it’ll snow, like it has just along the coast!
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 17:57
Quote:Des Platt
We really are struggling if it’s Max Walker! Think he may even be deceased but when you get to my age you can’t remember who has died and who hasn’t.
Hello Des
I am pretty certain that Max Walker has died but on the evidence - in case you are wondering - you are definitely still alive. In my case the jury is still considering its verdict.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 17:59
Somerset took the last 8 wickets for 104. That seems quite good to me.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 18:00
Good fightback, we're right back in this now...
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 18:05
That's what we want!!!! Hope you wintered well Owain
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 18:23
Whew...... A decent end to a long and difficult day
Better evening performance but tomorrow is a very big day
Better evening performance but tomorrow is a very big day
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 18:25
Stirring fight back. Well done lads.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 18:30
Well done, I would assume, Ben Green (didn’t see the final session).
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 18:35
Quote:Grockle
Love the idea that you add the 'undue' and then try to redefine pessimism in order to try and show that you are not presently a pessimist... aww bless 👍
More to do with having a 'miserable outlook' than having 'sensible alternatives'.
Things are looking up. Siddle AND Leonard both have wickets.... ahh optimism how I have missed you
What, pray, were your “sensible alternatives,” that could have been suggested for this game?
Aren’t we down to our only XI fit players!?
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 18:47
'Sensible alternnatives' to doom laden miserable scenarios?
A better batting performance on Day 1
Ben Green inspiring others earlier
Peter Siddle having a bit more luck
Tom Lammonby bowling some left arm seam?
There were sensible and more positive ways this could have gone
For tomorrow?
Some 50 plus scores before we are 5 down? Solid defence from the front end
A staunchly wagging tail on Day 4 and no time left for Hampshire to close the game
Can't say I think a sensible alternative would be us scoring enough to push them to defeat but stranger things have happened - bit unrealistic though
A better batting performance on Day 1
Ben Green inspiring others earlier
Peter Siddle having a bit more luck
Tom Lammonby bowling some left arm seam?
There were sensible and more positive ways this could have gone
For tomorrow?
Some 50 plus scores before we are 5 down? Solid defence from the front end
A staunchly wagging tail on Day 4 and no time left for Hampshire to close the game
Can't say I think a sensible alternative would be us scoring enough to push them to defeat but stranger things have happened - bit unrealistic though
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 18:54
Some possible good news from elsewhere:
Despite having made a massive total with both openers getting tons (that bit is bad news), Essex have not achieved much with the ball Vs Kent. Moreover, the match situation is such that it looks as though much the most likely route to victory for Essex would be to enforce the follow-on… in which case it could be a tired Essex seam attack that rocks up in Taunton.
I also note that there is no sign of Simon Harmer in the Essex side. Delayed arrival? Injured? Would it be too much to hope that he won’t be available against us?
Despite having made a massive total with both openers getting tons (that bit is bad news), Essex have not achieved much with the ball Vs Kent. Moreover, the match situation is such that it looks as though much the most likely route to victory for Essex would be to enforce the follow-on… in which case it could be a tired Essex seam attack that rocks up in Taunton.
I also note that there is no sign of Simon Harmer in the Essex side. Delayed arrival? Injured? Would it be too much to hope that he won’t be available against us?
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 19:01
Just checked and it seems Harmer has returned to international cricket and is with SA, and hence will miss Essex’s first two red ball games of the season.
So no Harmer at Taunton next week!
Should we be shorn of some first choice bowlers again next week that might, at least, go some way to levelling up the playing field.
Hopefully the worthless ECB Will relent and let us play Cove and Leachy. If that happens and we get Gregory back from illness then Cove, Siddle, Gregory and Leach should certainly form a competitive attack. And all three returnees would hold out some promise of runs to bail out the top six (as is our customary requirement). I can’t imagine Josh will be fully fit but the most important thing is to ensure he is fully fit for as and when Cove is forced to rest again or carry drinks for the Execrable Cricket Board Select XI.
So no Harmer at Taunton next week!
Should we be shorn of some first choice bowlers again next week that might, at least, go some way to levelling up the playing field.
Hopefully the worthless ECB Will relent and let us play Cove and Leachy. If that happens and we get Gregory back from illness then Cove, Siddle, Gregory and Leach should certainly form a competitive attack. And all three returnees would hold out some promise of runs to bail out the top six (as is our customary requirement). I can’t imagine Josh will be fully fit but the most important thing is to ensure he is fully fit for as and when Cove is forced to rest again or carry drinks for the Execrable Cricket Board Select XI.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 19:07
Team selection thought for next week:
Some may have thought that Green may just have been keeping a place warm for Renshaw.
However, depending on second innings returns here, it must be conceivable that Green might move ahead of Goldsworthy for a place Vs Essex, given Green’s demonstration of his bowling value here?
Some may have thought that Green may just have been keeping a place warm for Renshaw.
However, depending on second innings returns here, it must be conceivable that Green might move ahead of Goldsworthy for a place Vs Essex, given Green’s demonstration of his bowling value here?
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 19:12
Green won't have done his chances any harm with his spell this evening - but he has to do it more consistently. However, assuming not all our seam options that are missiing will be available by next week we may need Ben to be there anyway.
There is no guarantee that the ECB will release our England players or any certainty that Josh will be fully fit.
There is no guarantee that the ECB will release our England players or any certainty that Josh will be fully fit.
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 19:52
Quote:Grockle
Green won't have done his chances any harm with his spell this evening - but he has to do it more consistently. However, assuming not all our seam options that are missiing will be available by next week we may need Ben to be there anyway.
There is no guarantee that the ECB will release our England players or any certainty that Josh will be fully fit.
Jason Kerr’s post match interview seemed to suggest he’d have selection problems, including the return of Cove and Leach.
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Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 20:18
Player of the day... Ben Green with best ever bowling figures and successfully facing a few this evening
Did anyone notice a Hants fielder coming on as substitute for us?
Did anyone notice a Hants fielder coming on as substitute for us?
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 20:26
Quote:Grockle
Sorry LoL I think I deleted a post of yours trying to delete the one below it.
I have also noticed we have a significant number of absentees at the start of this season.
Old Boy!
Clarence
Tom Seymour
....
Is there anyone else noticable by their absence?
Thanks Grockle. The other one I mentioned was Mike Index. There is also Palairet, though I think he and Clarence Parker may be one and the same.
All those named have made substantial contributions to the site, even if we haven't all agreed with everything they've said, and it would be reassuring to know that they are still with us and as ready for the new season as the rest of us are.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 21:20
Well we can only identify them and hope to get info. I have no access to poster profiles or such like.
Hope they are all well.
Hope they are all well.
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Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 08/04/2022 21:36
For all the travails of this match, and we have really been under the cosh, I did not see a single head go down today, young or old, and we were never silent in the field. We have been outfought by a stronger team, but we stood toe-to-toe all day, and got some reward for that in the end. It was bitterly cold sitting in the stands for seven hours, but I wouldn't have missed a ball of it.
Farmer
Farmer
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Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 00:31
Let's face it, without Cove Gregory and Josh we're toast.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 07:03
Exactly right.
But that’s a little too honest an appraisal for the tastes of some.
But that’s a little too honest an appraisal for the tastes of some.
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Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 07:13
It must be a real grind being so miserable.
We have 56 days red ball potentially this season.
Day 1 wasn't great. Day 2 was better, a lot of fight.
Day 3, who knows.....? (Well Agod can probably tell us!)
The sun is shining 5 miles away from Ageas so that's a good start ☀️☀️
We are missing so many players and playing arguably this season's title favourites away.
Renshaw arrives Tuesday. Every chance Craig Leach Gregory Brooks George are available for Thursday, maybe Josh too.
You never know we might all receive our membership packs this month too 😜😜
(Well those of us who are members & pay for them might!!)
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We have 56 days red ball potentially this season.
Day 1 wasn't great. Day 2 was better, a lot of fight.
Day 3, who knows.....? (Well Agod can probably tell us!)
The sun is shining 5 miles away from Ageas so that's a good start ☀️☀️
We are missing so many players and playing arguably this season's title favourites away.
Renshaw arrives Tuesday. Every chance Craig Leach Gregory Brooks George are available for Thursday, maybe Josh too.
You never know we might all receive our membership packs this month too 😜😜
(Well those of us who are members & pay for them might!!)
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Posted by: Whome (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 07:56
I suspect that without Abbott, Barker and Abbas Hampshire would be ‘toast’. Essex without Porter, S cook and Harmer dont look too frightening. We have gone into this game with two teenage pace bowlers, a bowler that is not suited to early season wickets in MDL, and one new quality bowler in his first game for us. If Somerset don’t have bad luck we would have no luck at all.
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Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 08:26
Nice one, wsm, regarding our packs for members but be careful or you will get a private message ( no doubt threatening) from our equivalent of the KGB. I received one recently after criticising our Great Leader but thought it best not to open it as it might contain viruses and nasties. Anyway I always believe that what needs to be said should be said out-in-the-open and not behind walls.
I also didn’t go to watch the Hampshire game as it would have meant I had to pay to get in, something I try never to do. Oh, yep and yeah.
I also didn’t go to watch the Hampshire game as it would have meant I had to pay to get in, something I try never to do. Oh, yep and yeah.
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Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 08:48
I received my membership pack yesterday, wsm. Things are looking up.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 09:31
Quote:dilly
...you will get a private message... I received one recently after criticising our Great Leader but thought it best not to open it...
Shame you didn't open it Dilly as it said that you had a point and bickering should be kept to a minimum and that I thought I was done.
I did also point out that the membership of this forum requested a long time ago that complaints about posting behaviour follow a certain process via the PM system (there is a sticky thread about it) and that certain action might take place if people did not follow it.
I suggest you follow your own post's advice and keep your own bickering to a minimum or you may also be accused of bullying or taking things beyond the point of discussing topics and into the realms of personal anymosity early in a season.
I'd also ask others to try and keep in mind things referred to last year.
This is a site primarily about cricket
All opinions on the cricket and the sides discussed are welcome as long as they are within the rules
We are not a Somerset members only site.
People do not pay to come on here some do not pay to follow Somerset and simply because you may do does not devalue the opinions of those who do not.
You do not gain a premium here from simply attending games in person though that may very well provide a perspective that is worth referring to. Farmer"s point about heads not going down yesterday was one such.
Some posters cannot attend in person. "Grizzz" does but early games would be a bit of a trip. I myself am grateful to Ben Warren's work for at least half a season during the last 5 or so years. It's a privilege this year to have the choice. Some don't have that
An opinion based on our excellent streaming service is valid though it can certainly be expanded upon by adding colour from the more 'live' experience or debated as an opinion of the game. It is not valid to criticise opinion simply because the person is not AT the game.
Like it or not I will moderate comments if they are referred to me, warrant it or don't follow procedures either reqiured or requested. As I've said before this is a 'benevolant autocracy'. If you don't like that type of moderation then don't post or follow the rules you are asked to.
If you don't like something complain by the process requested or complain about the cricket, the opinion but not the poster. Very few of us know each other outside of these pages and whether we would want to or not should have very little to do with what we comment on here. We protect people's anonymity for a reason.
The only right of appeal about moderation is to the Sportsnetwork - the access email is at the bottom of every page of the site.
I have very rarely had to remove people and I have only done it permanently once in 28 years so the site must be doing something right and I will keep on doing my part in that whether you like me personally or not. My advice is enjoy your posting and don't waste time atracking others or moderators. I have a thick skin and you don't win taking me on here.
Finally Grockles is still here because you the posting population largely don't need me. You discuss and debate without me, you accept the foibles of those who post and either ignore them or keep your interactions to a minimum with those posters. They get the message usually and reset or leave. We are not a huge site but we are a successful one in that sense. Trolling for trollings sake does not last long here
I moderate at a minimum level - one or two BIG moderations a year when things get out of hand but it's rare and that is fine by me. I'm not perfect myself and I am grateful to those posters who use the PM system to guide me in my own interactions on the site. We've been together a long time in many cases.
You want to moan about me or others? Use the PM system to moan to your mates or complain to me directly that way but follow this one simple rule please.
TRY TO KEEP YOUR PERSONAL ANYMOSITY OFF THE PUBLIC FORUM OR POSTS WILL DISAPPEAR. YOU WILL KNOW WHY BUT YOUR CONTENT WILL GO WITHOUT WARNING
And we're back in the room. Here's to an excellent Day 3!!
Edited a couple of times because of a mobile phone, bassist fingers and no glasses
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Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 10:48
BIG batting day today very early in the season
Good luck to the guys at the crease. It would be nice to get some decent starting scores today on probably the best day of the whole four in terms of weather expeccted.
Good luck to the guys at the crease. It would be nice to get some decent starting scores today on probably the best day of the whole four in terms of weather expeccted.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 11:06
Yes, Whome, Hants would obviously struggle without Barker, Abbas and Abbott. Had their attack instead been Wheal, Fuller and Holland then even we may very well have made 300.
We do have extra vulnerability, compared to most sides, though, in that is our first choice bowlers who, not infrequently, make about half of our runs as well!!
We’re also more likely (than Hants are) to find ourselves without our first choice attack since we have two centrally contracted players.
The key to winning the CC is really to have either non-England qualified bowlers no longer wanted by their countries and / or retired from internationals and/or “good county bowlers,” (such as Porter, who we will see in our next game) who are not deemed good enough for England.
To have stood any real chance at all in this game we would obviously have needed stellar performances from those experienced players still in the side. Hildreth made runs and Siddle bowled well, without much reward, but the first half of the match brought only (I think) one wicket from MDL and very few runs from Abell and Davies. To have been competitive in this match, we probably needed 200 combined first innings runs from the three more experienced batsman (we got about 100) and early inroads from the two experienced pace bowlers.
We do have extra vulnerability, compared to most sides, though, in that is our first choice bowlers who, not infrequently, make about half of our runs as well!!
We’re also more likely (than Hants are) to find ourselves without our first choice attack since we have two centrally contracted players.
The key to winning the CC is really to have either non-England qualified bowlers no longer wanted by their countries and / or retired from internationals and/or “good county bowlers,” (such as Porter, who we will see in our next game) who are not deemed good enough for England.
To have stood any real chance at all in this game we would obviously have needed stellar performances from those experienced players still in the side. Hildreth made runs and Siddle bowled well, without much reward, but the first half of the match brought only (I think) one wicket from MDL and very few runs from Abell and Davies. To have been competitive in this match, we probably needed 200 combined first innings runs from the three more experienced batsman (we got about 100) and early inroads from the two experienced pace bowlers.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 11:40
Well to be fair it isn't every side that has two 'openers' in their bowling attack - one of interntational renown no less.
One of the great shames of this season is that our suggested most up and coming young bowler will be out for most of the season in the best scenario. I would have loved to see Sonny Baker starting his four day career in the early months of this year and it would have been damned useful to have had him available with the restrictions put on us by the ECB.
I'm hoping that IF Craig and Jack are chosen by the international squad they are at least used. If they don't fancy them then we probably all hope they'll let them play in the four day campaign.
As was said yesterday - one wonders about the ECB's neutrality in all this. If there is a plan to 'reset' the Championship in 2023 then successful 'provincial' non urban franchise counties like Essex and Somerset are not what they want in the 'Twelve' prospective 'Premier' league. You hope this will not colour their decisions about who is available and who isn't.
Would the decision have been not to release internationals in the case of injury had the request come from Surrey, Lancashire, Warwickshire etc? I'm not sure about the record of these things myself I have to admit.
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One of the great shames of this season is that our suggested most up and coming young bowler will be out for most of the season in the best scenario. I would have loved to see Sonny Baker starting his four day career in the early months of this year and it would have been damned useful to have had him available with the restrictions put on us by the ECB.
I'm hoping that IF Craig and Jack are chosen by the international squad they are at least used. If they don't fancy them then we probably all hope they'll let them play in the four day campaign.
As was said yesterday - one wonders about the ECB's neutrality in all this. If there is a plan to 'reset' the Championship in 2023 then successful 'provincial' non urban franchise counties like Essex and Somerset are not what they want in the 'Twelve' prospective 'Premier' league. You hope this will not colour their decisions about who is available and who isn't.
Would the decision have been not to release internationals in the case of injury had the request come from Surrey, Lancashire, Warwickshire etc? I'm not sure about the record of these things myself I have to admit.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 12:29
Personally, I’m gutted about the loss of Sonny.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 12:49
Can only hope it's temporary and he comes back as strong or stronger
Not a strong last hour in Southampton unfortunately
Not a strong last hour in Southampton unfortunately
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Posted by: Hayseed (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 13:31
Hopefully we'll see a strong couple of hours this afternoon. Goldsworthy is looking good, seems to be timing the ball well, the sun's out and the pitch doesnt seem to be doing that much...(which, course is, easy to say sitting here, but still) so, who knows, a big partnership here and we're still in the game...
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Posted by: Hayseed (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 13:41
Well, so much for that...
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 13:58
Wheels fully off.
Start the car …
Although might not be much good starting the engine without wheels?)
Start the car …
Although might not be much good starting the engine without wheels?)
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 14:13
Quote:🤣🤣Hayseed
Well, so much for that...
You have to laugh in a slightly manic way... something like 7 for 70ish... its all a bit worrying.
"Something in the pitch" doesn't fully explain these multiple batting collapses. We collapse in clumps pretty consistently
Bringing a bowling attack to the next game will only really decrease the size of the defeat unless we can bat effectively. The addition of Renshaw cannot solve that problem on its own.
As the commentator points out, prep for this game with the loss of personnel won't have helped but is that the only reason for this? It can't have been easy but...
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 14:19
Not remotely enough production, collectively, from the six or so more experienced men left in this side in this match(TA, JH, SD, RVDM, PS and MDL). On paper, for us to have been able to compete in this game, you’d need at least 350 runs and 12-14 wkts at reasonable cost from those six in this match). Instead, I think we have about 160 or so runs and about 5 wkts. Not remotely enough.
The batting is just an action replay of so many previous collapses and the fifth CC game in a row in which they’ve gone down like a pack of cards.
The batting is just an action replay of so many previous collapses and the fifth CC game in a row in which they’ve gone down like a pack of cards.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 14:20
And after the abject finish to last season, one does rather have to wonder whether it was the right moment (it was done recently) to give Jason Kerr a new deal?
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Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 14:32
I've lost count of how many wickets have fallen since my membership pack arrived a little while ago. Can I have a better one, please? This one isn't working very well!
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 14:48
You might have to pop along next week and get in a queue to ask that question LoL. 5 defeats in the last 5 games. 4 by an innings and the other by 10 wickets I think.....
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 14:57
Quote:AGod
And after the abject finish to last season, one does rather have to wonder whether it was the right moment (it was done recently) to give Jason Kerr a new deal?
A strange decision as was that of Steve Davies.
Our senior players have really let us down in this game.
Fortunately, a lot can happen before my white ball membership comes into play.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 15:25
Even though we should hopefully have some more bowlers available Vs Essex and their attack is not expected to be at full strength (Harmer), the confidence / psyche of our side is an obvious concern.
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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 15:49
Just back from the match, not a very enjoyable 3 hours. The sun might have been out but still cold. After a good start at 50 without loss, we went downhill very quickly afterwards. Very disappointing
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Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 16:06
It's difficult to offer any well informed observations from a distance of approximately 4,367 miles away.
But that performance (James aside), is not one that's going to make anyone proud. Least of all losing ten wickets for eighty five today.
Losing players to injury, illness and the nonsense of the ECB doesn't help.
But neither does not displaying a spine.
On the assumption we have one, I very much hope we manage to find it very soon.
Grizzers
But that performance (James aside), is not one that's going to make anyone proud. Least of all losing ten wickets for eighty five today.
Losing players to injury, illness and the nonsense of the ECB doesn't help.
But neither does not displaying a spine.
On the assumption we have one, I very much hope we manage to find it very soon.
Grizzers
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 16:15
Tom Abell has averaged 8 across this appalling 5 game losing run..
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 16:53
Official site claims “the majority of the absentees,” will return Vs Essex so, if we take that literally, that would imply at least five of them.
I suspect some utterly awful coach-speak about this loss will be added to the site later on.
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I suspect some utterly awful coach-speak about this loss will be added to the site later on.
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Posted by: Devonboy70 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 17:40
So 1 game completed and 1 point on the board and defeat inside 3 days . To me that says abject failure by both the batting and bowling line up . Irrespective of players missing, the club should be able to put out a team of professionals that can at the very least compete . If they cannot then frankly the squad is well below the standard required . As regards to Jason Kerr getting a new contract then one has to ask why ?
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Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 18:57
Did anyone back the winner of the National?
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 18:58
Quote:AGod
....I suspect some utterly awful coach-speak about this loss will be added to the site later on.
As I posted earlier today in response to another post looking to turn this into some kind of partisan 'bun fight'. If such content does appear posters will comment on it with a lttle more respect and a little less snide patronisation than has been prevalent from both sides of the fence recently.
I fancy we would all like the position to be better and I fancy we all hope it changes quickly but if you want to be part of the debate ladies and gentlemen then be part of the DEBATE.
If you want that debate to be about who can pee further up the wall, who hates who and which poster has no right to express their opinion for whatever reason I am afraid you will find your contributions absent more often than not.
The 'Great Leader'
will take charge and Big Brother will do more than watch.Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 19:00
Was there a Grand National?
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 19:21
Dearest Grockle;
My post was about comments on the official site and when I referred to “the site,” I meant that which I had already referred to in my post - The official one.
In other words we can expect to read something like the following from Jason Ian Douglas Kerr:
“Cricket is a game of fine margins and it’s all about executing our skill at the most critical times. There were lots of positives to take from this and we will use them to build for our home opener on Thursday.”
(No logical reason why I would suggest that posters here would use “coach speak,” but it was, nevertheless, an admirable rant from you!”
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2022:04:09:19:24:18 by AGod.
My post was about comments on the official site and when I referred to “the site,” I meant that which I had already referred to in my post - The official one.
In other words we can expect to read something like the following from Jason Ian Douglas Kerr:
“Cricket is a game of fine margins and it’s all about executing our skill at the most critical times. There were lots of positives to take from this and we will use them to build for our home opener on Thursday.”
(No logical reason why I would suggest that posters here would use “coach speak,” but it was, nevertheless, an admirable rant from you!”
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2022:04:09:19:24:18 by AGod.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 19:50
Plenty of discussion about our lack of bowlers, but Somerset the only county not to have made 200 runs in either innings. I do hope we are now able to get out of this rut against Essex
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 19:54
And zero percent of SCCC followers can genuinely have been surprised that we failed to total 200 in either innings.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 20:58
Quote:AGod
Dearest Grockle;
My post was about comments on the official site and when I referred to “the site,” I meant that which I had already referred to in my post - The official one.
Dearest AG
The quote was quite pertinent for the point I needed to make. Doesn't matter what you were referring to.
My post still applies to activity on THIS site
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 21:44
In the end, the coach wasn’t presented to the media, so we avoided coach-speak.
Instead we got Tom Abell whose comments were mainly sensible, talking about the batsmen having let the side down. Although he did get something in there about “seeing positive strides” which does require a special kind of vision. I mean strides generally refer to improvements on what has come before, but this was very much of a piece with the four debacles at the end of last season.
Instead we got Tom Abell whose comments were mainly sensible, talking about the batsmen having let the side down. Although he did get something in there about “seeing positive strides” which does require a special kind of vision. I mean strides generally refer to improvements on what has come before, but this was very much of a piece with the four debacles at the end of last season.
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 22:12
Positives were small but there just to not completely negate actions in the game.
James Hildreth showed a move towards form not seen for about a year at least.
Ben Green did produce a decent spell to close the Hampshire innnings
Lammonby did show better defence in both innnings
Siddle suggested he is going to be a decent addition to our front line bowling when it turns up
I'm done at that but despite being minimal they are positives. Not a lot but hey...
James Hildreth showed a move towards form not seen for about a year at least.
Ben Green did produce a decent spell to close the Hampshire innnings
Lammonby did show better defence in both innnings
Siddle suggested he is going to be a decent addition to our front line bowling when it turns up
I'm done at that but despite being minimal they are positives. Not a lot but hey...
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Devonboy70 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/04/2022 22:37
One has to wonder how much longer Tom A can keep the waffle going after each turgid red ball performance. I feel for him as his own form seems to have deserted him .
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2022 20:33
For those with a cricketing masochistic tendency here are my reports on the Hampshire match. One for each day.
Day One: A chill start:
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Day Two: And the heads stayed up:
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Farmer
Farmer
Day Three: Demolished:
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Day One: A chill start:
[farmerwhite.co.uk]
Day Two: And the heads stayed up:
[farmerwhite.co.uk]
Farmer
Farmer
Day Three: Demolished:
[farmerwhite.co.uk]
Re: On to Hampshire Championship cricket 2022
Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2022 14:40
“We must take the positives from this game. For instance I got a new contract!” J. Kerr
Re: A Chill Start - Hampshire CC Match 1 Farmer's view
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2022 16:58
Haha
They didn’t send him out to speak to the media, it was Tom.
After the first day Vs Essex it was the new Aussie batting coach that did the media stuff. On day two it was Craig. So we’ve not had our dose of coach-speak from Jason.
They didn’t send him out to speak to the media, it was Tom.
After the first day Vs Essex it was the new Aussie batting coach that did the media stuff. On day two it was Craig. So we’ve not had our dose of coach-speak from Jason.
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