Pitch Perceptions
By Grockle
April 10 2023
Much (Too much?) speculation about the state of our surface at the start of the first official game of the season has pumped up the posts and page views of this site and others during the last few days. We got explanations and videos and comments from all over the place. Here is what we got from the CEO on the morning of the Friday which I think he also outlined at the Q and A session later that day. I'm simply summmarising what I heard, readers can make their own minds up about it but it seems that posters would like to read it so here we go.
Mr Gordon Hollins happened to pop into the media centre of the ground on Friday and as part of his general conversation with members of the media team he had a chat with the local press about the ground condition leading up to the start of the game. I think I've got the general gist of what he said - please let me know if I've misrepresented anything and I'll happily put it right. This is just a summmary of what I heard.
At the end of the season the groundstaff look to 'rebalance' the playing surface as during the season it takes varying levels of hammer. Over the seasons we have been trying to level the field out and there are areas that are identified as needing work and re grassing etc. Basically straight after the end of the season the groundwork starts, sections are cleared for work and areas are levelled using sand which of course affects the weight bearing spectrum of the whole top surface. (Never thought of it this way to be honest but it does give you another way of looking at the job of groundsman.)
There was work done in about 2011 (I think you are right Mike) to put in a drainage system but there have been issues with parts of the ground especially the area in front of the CA Pavilion and a sparse area in front of the MT Pavilion at the other end. Mr Hollins did say the ground needs about £600,000 spending on the groundwork to fix things more permanently but that money simply isn't there and there are no grants for these kinds of things coming from the ECB or Taunton Council so we need to do this kind of work every year to keep on top of the issues until that work can be done.
This is the reason for the drainage problems in front of the CA - it has been a problem they have been dealing with for more than 1 winter and the excess water in March simply didn't help with that - some dry days should sort that out.
The area in front of the MT was planned to be reseeded and ready for the start of the season but March was greyer, colder and wetter than planned which coupled with the existence of the MT building with its extra height and Northern frontage meant that the grass simply did not respond the way it was expected to. We seem to have hoped that the weather would improve but it didn't fast enough hence the introduction of the heat lamps in the last week to get the grass moving (they aren't cheap).
The club will investigate the timetable and look for lessons that can be learned from this and hopefully will get it more effectively right next year but this work will have to be done until the club can find the half a million of so to deal with the issues still present in the the general geography of the playing surface.
Grockle comment, you could see thE amount of sand that has been used by simply watching the livestream at the River end and seeing the sand kicked up by balls dropping between slip fielders.
It is a medium/longterm issue and the groundstaff are obviously managing it the best they can but the information given by the CEO did illustrate that is is difficult and not something that is easily solved. It seemed to be that a solution in one part of the ground may not solve problems in other parts and may even aggravate them.
Just more information as grist to the mill.
As I say please contact me if I have anything slightly out - I'm doing this from memory on the Monday because people have asked for the summary but if there is anything I have missed or not got completely right please let me know and I'll rectify it. For those at the Q&A session, this should be the same as the information I believe Mr Hollins provided for members attending - some Grockle readers and posters didn't as they may not have been able or may not be local to Taunton.
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CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2023 11:21
I believe this deserves a separate thread as it seems a serious situation and unresolved, to date the club have made no announcement.
The area in front of the Trescothick pavilion is looking more like Weston beach and surface water is in front the CA Pavilion.
There is speculation on this site that the ground may not be playable for the opening Warwickshire championship game on April 6th. The doom mongers among us (not me, hopefully) have already raised the prospect of an ECB points deduction!
A wet outfield by the Trescothick pavilion seems to be a recurrent problem, unable to cope with 30mm of rain per hour as guidelines recommend.
Obviously we need to minimise the time lost to weather for turning draws into wins and not have this issue during the last game of the season in September, if we need to win. The decider against Essex in 2019 comes to mind.
For the technically minded the original drainage work was completed as per the links:
"Installation of drainage pumping chamber complete with piped outlet to Stockwell Stream and extension of electric supply from the grandstand
Installation of drainage scheme comprising 1,800 linear metres of mainlines and 1,650 linear metres of lateral pipework, spaced at 3 metre centres across the outfield"
[www.mjabbott.co.uk]
[www.mjabbott.co.uk]
The Winter weather has been slightly milder and dryer than average according to the Met Office. The Somerset levels were badly flooded by mid January, but February was dry.
[www.metoffice.gov.uk]
What can be done?
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The area in front of the Trescothick pavilion is looking more like Weston beach and surface water is in front the CA Pavilion.
There is speculation on this site that the ground may not be playable for the opening Warwickshire championship game on April 6th. The doom mongers among us (not me, hopefully) have already raised the prospect of an ECB points deduction!
A wet outfield by the Trescothick pavilion seems to be a recurrent problem, unable to cope with 30mm of rain per hour as guidelines recommend.
Obviously we need to minimise the time lost to weather for turning draws into wins and not have this issue during the last game of the season in September, if we need to win. The decider against Essex in 2019 comes to mind.
For the technically minded the original drainage work was completed as per the links:
"Installation of drainage pumping chamber complete with piped outlet to Stockwell Stream and extension of electric supply from the grandstand
Installation of drainage scheme comprising 1,800 linear metres of mainlines and 1,650 linear metres of lateral pipework, spaced at 3 metre centres across the outfield"
[www.mjabbott.co.uk]
[www.mjabbott.co.uk]
The Winter weather has been slightly milder and dryer than average according to the Met Office. The Somerset levels were badly flooded by mid January, but February was dry.
[www.metoffice.gov.uk]
What can be done?
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Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: ciderman (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2023 11:41
Worcestershire often had to move early season games to Kiddiminster as New Rd was often recovering from winter flooding.
The question is have we got an alternative ground lined up or is it possible for the fixture to be reversed and played at Edgbaston?
The question is have we got an alternative ground lined up or is it possible for the fixture to be reversed and played at Edgbaston?
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2023 11:45
It does look a mess.
With reference to the Essex game in 2019.
I lived through the Atlantic storm that came Taunton's way in Hamilton Bermuda with it's 120 mph winds and massive rain. I followed it across the Atlantic for that game but tbh, if we didn't have a chance of winning the Championship with that game I wouldn't have bothered because it was pretty unlikely no matter what we did that the game was never going to be a 4 day one. The best drainage in the world would not have coped with the quantity of weather coming towards the UK from the North Atlantic
Having said that the issues at Taunton are not new... the area in front of the MT pavilion seems to be a problem each year for one reason or another. The impression seems to be that the CA water is just an issue of quantity and it will be dealt with slowly as long as there isn't much more....
Like everyone else - not sure how you solve the 'beach' area by April 6
With reference to the Essex game in 2019.
I lived through the Atlantic storm that came Taunton's way in Hamilton Bermuda with it's 120 mph winds and massive rain. I followed it across the Atlantic for that game but tbh, if we didn't have a chance of winning the Championship with that game I wouldn't have bothered because it was pretty unlikely no matter what we did that the game was never going to be a 4 day one. The best drainage in the world would not have coped with the quantity of weather coming towards the UK from the North Atlantic
Having said that the issues at Taunton are not new... the area in front of the MT pavilion seems to be a problem each year for one reason or another. The impression seems to be that the CA water is just an issue of quantity and it will be dealt with slowly as long as there isn't much more....
Like everyone else - not sure how you solve the 'beach' area by April 6
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2023 12:01
The weather was bad for the 2019 Essex game, I think rain on all 4 days and over 200 overs lost. I am just suggesting if the outfield had drained quicker during the interruptions we would have had a few more hours of play at the end...
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Whome (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2023 12:29
Management seem to have their heads in the sand.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2023 13:49
A bit of history on what was done on the outfield last winter.
This would have been the second time this has been done.
I believe I have this correct, the first time was in 2011, a layer was removed from the outfield and reseeded. That time it needed doing. The outfield was not very level, you could see that when the ball was travelling to the boundary.
This time I didn't notice anything happening like that last season, the club may have another reason for doing it.
The area in front of the Marcus Trescothick Pavilion was not part of the drainage system, it was used as a net area so the drainage system went around it.
See photo.
This would have been the second time this has been done.
I believe I have this correct, the first time was in 2011, a layer was removed from the outfield and reseeded. That time it needed doing. The outfield was not very level, you could see that when the ball was travelling to the boundary.
This time I didn't notice anything happening like that last season, the club may have another reason for doing it.
The area in front of the Marcus Trescothick Pavilion was not part of the drainage system, it was used as a net area so the drainage system went around it.
See photo.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2023 14:52
If there are no underground drains by the Trescothick pavilion, this won't help. Could the system be extended there?
I recall during an England v India Test match at Lords a while back, play was underway after just a few hours from torrential rain. More than likely the field sits on impermeable London clay and proof that a good drainage system is really important
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I recall during an England v India Test match at Lords a while back, play was underway after just a few hours from torrential rain. More than likely the field sits on impermeable London clay and proof that a good drainage system is really important
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Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 28/03/2023 16:27
Didn’t we ought to have been on top of this months ago ?
Really struggling to understand how this has happened.
Sincerely hoping that my fears regarding the potential consequences of this situation are unfounded.
Grizzers
Really struggling to understand how this has happened.
Sincerely hoping that my fears regarding the potential consequences of this situation are unfounded.
Grizzers
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 13:22
If the match is moved how do members claim their 1/7th refund?
We will surely incur a cost if not ECB penalty for being unable to fulfill a home fixture?
Warwickshire fans will have accommodation booked......
Will Gordon pay for our travel costs if we end up at Bristol or Birmingham!?
Has anyone of a position within the club offered any comments or explanation at all publically??
We will surely incur a cost if not ECB penalty for being unable to fulfill a home fixture?
Warwickshire fans will have accommodation booked......
Will Gordon pay for our travel costs if we end up at Bristol or Birmingham!?
Has anyone of a position within the club offered any comments or explanation at all publically??
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 14:23
Press day tomorrow, it will be interesting if any questions are asked about the outfield!
If so, will they give an honest answer or blame the weather.
If so, will they give an honest answer or blame the weather.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 14:54
Keep eyes and ears open this afternoon people.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 17:06
Edgbaston or Bristol?
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 17:11
Suspect they will blame the recent weather Mike, but that's a complete cop out as the issue has been festering for at least a year.
Did no one notice during the winter that things were going awry ?
It's all very well having grandiose plans, but if you can't get the absolute basics right, it doesn't count for much does it.
In fact it's pretty poor management.
To put it very politely.
Grizzers
Did no one notice during the winter that things were going awry ?
It's all very well having grandiose plans, but if you can't get the absolute basics right, it doesn't count for much does it.
In fact it's pretty poor management.
To put it very politely.
Grizzers
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 17:41
This thread is suitable.
Water is running down the sides of the road like a stream, that is how hard it is raining.
Water is running down the sides of the road like a stream, that is how hard it is raining.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 18:01
Spot on Grizzers.
Any quotes of record rainfall doesn't wash I'm afraid.
February was very dry & mild, we have had 1 day of snow this winter.
It is England, we have a winter, and it rains, that's life.
We are one of the most southerly grounds in the country, does Bristol, Hove, Canterbury look like Taunton?
Northern counties as a rule will have had more wet weather than us generally.
As a professional sports ground with several employees paid literally to keep our ground in 1st class condition it is a bit confusing.....
The drainage must be blocked or broken Infront the CA pavilion?, it hasn't rained EVERY day all winter, why hasn't it drained away?
We have had past winters where the Somerset levels have been flooded, the Tone nearly overflowing, no such signs this year 🤔🤔
Some fun & games coming in the next few days I reckon.....
Any quotes of record rainfall doesn't wash I'm afraid.
February was very dry & mild, we have had 1 day of snow this winter.
It is England, we have a winter, and it rains, that's life.
We are one of the most southerly grounds in the country, does Bristol, Hove, Canterbury look like Taunton?
Northern counties as a rule will have had more wet weather than us generally.
As a professional sports ground with several employees paid literally to keep our ground in 1st class condition it is a bit confusing.....
The drainage must be blocked or broken Infront the CA pavilion?, it hasn't rained EVERY day all winter, why hasn't it drained away?
We have had past winters where the Somerset levels have been flooded, the Tone nearly overflowing, no such signs this year 🤔🤔
Some fun & games coming in the next few days I reckon.....
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 18:44
Not sure what the facts are because of a lack of information. That is the thing that is lacking first of all.
Everything else here other than the conditions in front of people's eyes is speculation.
The water in front of the CA has decreased significantly today and the MT was drier yesterday. There the issue is a significant lack of grass.
But someone needs to explain this to members and confirm next week's arrangements so people are sure about where Somerset are opening their 2023 CC account against Warwickshire in about 7 days.
The info provision has been very poor given what we can see with our own eyes.
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Everything else here other than the conditions in front of people's eyes is speculation.
The water in front of the CA has decreased significantly today and the MT was drier yesterday. There the issue is a significant lack of grass.
But someone needs to explain this to members and confirm next week's arrangements so people are sure about where Somerset are opening their 2023 CC account against Warwickshire in about 7 days.
The info provision has been very poor given what we can see with our own eyes.
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Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 19:16
The pitch for next week's CC match seems to be two over from the friendlies, there is matting on it. Then you have the rules on minimum boundary size.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Whome (IP Logged)
Date: 29/03/2023 19:44
The club must be thoroughly ashamed of the outfield. It would cost a small fortune to re-turf the areas affected but that may be the only option considering the time scales. As Grockle posted, the club has to come clean and explain what has gone wrong.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2023 19:50
With the single exception of Lancashire, WSM, it is untrue to say that “Northern counties would ordinarily get more rain than us.”
The opposite is true for both Yorks and Durham and if you are one of those people that counts the Midlands as “the North,” then the same Is Also true of all the East Midlands counties.
Warks is a push. Old Trafford, Taunton and Edgbaston are comfortably the wettest county HQs.
The opposite is true for both Yorks and Durham and if you are one of those people that counts the Midlands as “the North,” then the same Is Also true of all the East Midlands counties.
Warks is a push. Old Trafford, Taunton and Edgbaston are comfortably the wettest county HQs.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2023 20:34
Isn't Somerset the second wettest county in the country?
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2023 21:08
I'm surprised not to see Bristol especially (it's almost always raining on Bristol) and Cardiff in the wettest list.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2023 21:49
Definitely not Bristol. It's possible I may previously have looked at wettest grounds in England, and thus not looked at Cardiff.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2023 22:10
Glamorgan installed a drainage system during their ground redevelopment. Interruptions are much reduced compared to the old Sophia Gardens several decades ago
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/03/2023 22:12
Well it's bloody wet outside here at the moment. They've already decided that Bristol will bot be playable tomorrow.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 13:06
Can't help with specific cricket ground locations, but the first table contained in the link below suggests our groundstaff have had more rain than most to contend with over the last year, and more than any other ground in the country, except possiby Bristol, during the last week in March:
[assets.publishing.service.gov.uk]
And remember the forecast of that great Elizabethan weather forecaster, William Shakespeare, who was presumably on holiday at Weston at the time, "For the rain, it raineth every day."
As to The Levels, since they last flooded they have been attended to by that great Somerset pace bowler Dredging.
As to next Thursday, I am assured by the oracle at Delphi that the sun will shine. Regrettably, in line with ancient Delphic tradition, the location of where the sun will shine was not specified.
Ah! The great uncertainties of cricket and the British weather. Who on earth thought of mixing the two?
Happy new season all. May this be the year.
Farmer
[assets.publishing.service.gov.uk]
And remember the forecast of that great Elizabethan weather forecaster, William Shakespeare, who was presumably on holiday at Weston at the time, "For the rain, it raineth every day."
As to The Levels, since they last flooded they have been attended to by that great Somerset pace bowler Dredging.
As to next Thursday, I am assured by the oracle at Delphi that the sun will shine. Regrettably, in line with ancient Delphic tradition, the location of where the sun will shine was not specified.
Ah! The great uncertainties of cricket and the British weather. Who on earth thought of mixing the two?
Happy new season all. May this be the year.
Farmer
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: New Boy 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 14:35
Quote:Farmer White
Ah! The great uncertainties of cricket and the British weather. Who on earth thought of mixing the two?
When I was a boy I presumed that it always rained on the first day of the cricket season: a surer weather forecast than that of Michael Fish.
Now I am much older and I see that the Americans refer to the first day of the baseball season as Opening Day (note the capitals). Perhaps we should name the first day of the County Season as Heavens Opened Day...
Is Noah Davis still in the Somerset 2nds? He'd be busy...
NB2
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 16:14
In the Environment Agency table for the South West, 303mm of rain is hardly a lot from Dec 2022 to Feb 2023. Admittedly Nov 2022 was very wet, but Feb 2023 was one of the driest on record. Local weather gauges measured about 8mm rain for the whole month.
Happy new season Farmer, hoping for more sunshine and sixes
Happy new season Farmer, hoping for more sunshine and sixes
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 17:01
Come back, Phil Frost, all is forgiven!
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: That Bloke With The Dog (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 17:07
I think that by the last day of March it's the rainfall in March which matters more than the rainfall in February, never mind November. I was at Taunton races yesterday, getting repeatedly soaked. The official going was heavy, and the horses were literally splashing through puddles. That's not normal at all for Taunton in the spring, hence the lack of runners yesterday - trainers would have been preparing their good-ground runners by now.
The situation at the County Ground is clearly concerning, and I agree with everyone who would like some acknowledgement of the fact from the Club. But I wouldn't be too hasty to judge that anyone is to blame or any wrong decisions have been made. It really is very wet right now.
The situation at the County Ground is clearly concerning, and I agree with everyone who would like some acknowledgement of the fact from the Club. But I wouldn't be too hasty to judge that anyone is to blame or any wrong decisions have been made. It really is very wet right now.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 18:03
The issue isn't so much the damp as much as why the area in front of the MT has the look of a sand dune of WSM beach. What were they doing there before the water stopped the grass from growing back?
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: That Bloke With The Dog (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 18:13
Fair point, Grockle. I shouldn't be confusing the CA Pavilion lake with the MT Pavilion dunes.
I wonder whether the problem is the MT Pavilion itself. Should such a high and wide building have ever been constructed at a point which blocks the sun for over half the day? It also acts as a windbreak.
There might be a very good reason why our ancestors never contemplated such a structure so close to the outfield.
I wonder whether the problem is the MT Pavilion itself. Should such a high and wide building have ever been constructed at a point which blocks the sun for over half the day? It also acts as a windbreak.
There might be a very good reason why our ancestors never contemplated such a structure so close to the outfield.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 19:04
The Old Pavilion was quite substantial
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: That Bloke With The Dog (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 19:34
Substantial, but half the height, which is the important thing when it comes to blocking the sun.
[img]http://[www.somersetcountycc.co.uk][/img]
[img]http://[www.somersetcountycc.co.uk][/img]
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/03/2023 20:55
Not sure it's gonna stop grass growing... there is none on quite a bit in front. Suggests something hss been done and then the area has been reseeded... after which the water has stopped it growing?
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/04/2023 18:49
Yeah, Bloke. I think the important thing is that March has definitely been wet enough that the fears that some seem to have of possible ECB sanction will surely prove unfounded.
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Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 01/04/2023 22:10
Well we'll find out in about 5 days one way or the other - it's getting pretty late to announce a change of venue to be honest.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 02/04/2023 20:53
I think TBWTD has a point about the sun being blocked by the MT pavilion. Grass germinates at a certain soil temperature and I reckon that the ground in the shadow of the stand was less warm than the rest of the ground (in October when the work was finished), so you had the threshold between good germination and poor germination. Rye grass is pretty durable, so maybe it will spring up, but I'm not sure it's warm enough yet, an option would be to use heat lamps that you've probably seen used in football stadiums.
So is the ground looking any better? Time is running out.
So is the ground looking any better? Time is running out.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 02/04/2023 21:14
No work done on it during the days of the friendlies. Though not sure what could have been done tbh.
Seems the game will be at Taunton irrespective of the condition of that part of the outfield so we'll see on Thursday
Seems the game will be at Taunton irrespective of the condition of that part of the outfield so we'll see on Thursday
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 02/04/2023 21:49
No play Thursday due to a wet outfield.
No play Friday due to a wet outfield.
If the above becomes true then organising a Q&A after play on day 2 with Mr Hurry, and presumably Mr Hollins could be interesting 🤔🤔🤔
No play Friday due to a wet outfield.
If the above becomes true then organising a Q&A after play on day 2 with Mr Hurry, and presumably Mr Hollins could be interesting 🤔🤔🤔
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 03/04/2023 16:15
What concerns me is that the extensive Trescothick scrub patch has been emerging (& getting progressively worse) pretty well from the time the new Pavilion was built and has been 'sketchy' for at least the last two years.
Andy Hurry's comments at the recent press day, blaming it all on the weather during March were simply laughable. As was the fact that not one of the 'journalists' present had the intestinal fortitude to challenge him on that stance.
Grizzers
Andy Hurry's comments at the recent press day, blaming it all on the weather during March were simply laughable. As was the fact that not one of the 'journalists' present had the intestinal fortitude to challenge him on that stance.
Grizzers
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2023 16:01
Looks like we've got some light / infrared lamps by the Trescothick. I've seen these at football in the dark and the grass grows well, allowing rugby on one evening and football the next day. Not sure why we left it so late
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2023 17:23
It was very wet there until the 3rd day of the Glamorgan game
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/04/2023 22:57
I just had a look at the club, there is a glow on the wall of the flats. That must be to do with the drying of the outfield.
I feel if they hadn't done what they did to the outfield over the winter, none of this wouldn't need to be done.
They are already saying about the cost of everything going up. Who is to blame for adding more running cost. Just think how much money they could have saved if the outfield hadn't been ruined.
I feel if they hadn't done what they did to the outfield over the winter, none of this wouldn't need to be done.
They are already saying about the cost of everything going up. Who is to blame for adding more running cost. Just think how much money they could have saved if the outfield hadn't been ruined.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2023 11:12
The weather today is not going to help with the drying process, it is not raining hard but fine drizzle, enough to wet the ground.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2023 21:28
They have still got the drying lamps on tonight. I don't know what area they are trying to dry out.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2023 22:23
Are they 'sun lamps; as well promoting grass growth?
No idea to be honest
No idea to be honest
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2023 23:14
Heat lamps that will help the grass germinate and grow. Obviously they will dry the ground as well, but that's not the primary objective.
Re: CACG Ground drainage issues
Posted by: Devonboy70 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/04/2023 23:26
I attended a gathering at the County Ground about a month ago . I thought the pitch looked as though an experiment was going on in various places so varied was the appearance.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/04/2023 16:48
So Grockle, the big error seem to be the late winter early spring sowing.
For a bit of fun, being a Bank Holiday Monday I though if I could find any photos of the problem we have with drainage.
The first photo is of the shaded area in front of the Marcus T Pavilion. 14th October 2015, the larger of the shaded area is taped off (hard to see) so the drainage was not done in the nets area. the drainage system was about to be installed.
Second photo, is of the outfield being re-seeded, you will notice that was done in October 2011, not late winter/early spring.
Third photo. This years flooding was not the first time it has happened, and will not be the last.
The difference is in 15th March 2018 there would have been grass already established, and once the water drain away, the grass would have carried on growing.
This did give me something to do!
Also posted on Somerset news thread
For a bit of fun, being a Bank Holiday Monday I though if I could find any photos of the problem we have with drainage.
The first photo is of the shaded area in front of the Marcus T Pavilion. 14th October 2015, the larger of the shaded area is taped off (hard to see) so the drainage was not done in the nets area. the drainage system was about to be installed.
Second photo, is of the outfield being re-seeded, you will notice that was done in October 2011, not late winter/early spring.
Third photo. This years flooding was not the first time it has happened, and will not be the last.
The difference is in 15th March 2018 there would have been grass already established, and once the water drain away, the grass would have carried on growing.
This did give me something to do!
Also posted on Somerset news thread
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/04/2023 18:11
Just summarising what was said Mike... we've seen surface water & things for years. Seems the solution is half a million plus to fix the drainage.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/04/2023 23:35
The lamps are on again to night, I would think during the day as well.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 02:30
Too many excuses I'm afraid.
However 'valid' the issues raised, the bottom line is that we took our eyes off the ball over the winter and didn't act quickly enough to address the situation.
What's the point in signing new (& welcome) commercial deals, if we can't deliver our basic product ?
There are a myriad of issues facing every club. Surely that is called Management.
If we don't get this sorted pdq, we risk becoming a laughing stock.
Grizzers
However 'valid' the issues raised, the bottom line is that we took our eyes off the ball over the winter and didn't act quickly enough to address the situation.
What's the point in signing new (& welcome) commercial deals, if we can't deliver our basic product ?
There are a myriad of issues facing every club. Surely that is called Management.
If we don't get this sorted pdq, we risk becoming a laughing stock.
Grizzers
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 10:37
Yeah - mistakes happen .. everyone accepts that. But it’s how you respond to them.
For example, we have finally moved to try to strengthen the batting after years of struggle. Nobody can be sure whether the new guys will prove a success and/or inspire better from our holdover personnel
(Via competition for places) but it was evident that something needed to be done and we - finally - went out and did it.
But with the outfield problems, it seems to me that there was a lot of wishful thinking / denial (or perhaps even fatalism!?) and a distinct absence of accountability and prompt action.
For example, we have finally moved to try to strengthen the batting after years of struggle. Nobody can be sure whether the new guys will prove a success and/or inspire better from our holdover personnel
(Via competition for places) but it was evident that something needed to be done and we - finally - went out and did it.
But with the outfield problems, it seems to me that there was a lot of wishful thinking / denial (or perhaps even fatalism!?) and a distinct absence of accountability and prompt action.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 10:44
On 3 August 1914 Sir Edward Grey made his famous remark: 'The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our lifetime'.
He got that wrong, didn't he?
Maybe we shan't see them extinguished in our lifetime...
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
He got that wrong, didn't he?
Maybe we shan't see them extinguished in our lifetime...
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 10:51
The question of where the £600K comes from is the one I suppose... the most money seems to be the player fund... take it from there? It's definitely a 'balance' 😱👍😁
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Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 15:49
The ground staff are going to love the weather today, it hasn't stop raining since late morning.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 16:14
It may not be torrential, but it isn't far off of it. It is raining very hard.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 16:19
Rest assured, they will be doing a tremendous job, all five of them.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 17:55
Is GH one of the Famous Fuve?
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 18:45
I think he would get outsmarted by Timothy.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2023 19:12
No, not GH. There are five groundsmen who generally spend their dryer days walking up-and-down behind mowers continually cutting the grass that is growing.
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Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2023 10:13
A report that nobody will like to hear.
After the continuous rain yesterday and a light shower this morning, (somewhere had it bad this morning, looking north at 7.30 the sky was completely black from east to west) I decided to have a look at the ground.
The report is not good, the heat lamp is still on in front of the MT, and even there, water is on the top of soil.
In the pond area, the black sheets are still covering that area. Water is on top of those sheets, if they are porous (I don't know if they are) then that would mean there is water under the sheets.
I believe two ground staff were looking at it, I'm imaging there were wondering what to do.
The players bus was just leaving the ground, all I can say, it is a good job we are playing away tomorrow.
After the continuous rain yesterday and a light shower this morning, (somewhere had it bad this morning, looking north at 7.30 the sky was completely black from east to west) I decided to have a look at the ground.
The report is not good, the heat lamp is still on in front of the MT, and even there, water is on the top of soil.
In the pond area, the black sheets are still covering that area. Water is on top of those sheets, if they are porous (I don't know if they are) then that would mean there is water under the sheets.
I believe two ground staff were looking at it, I'm imaging there were wondering what to do.
The players bus was just leaving the ground, all I can say, it is a good job we are playing away tomorrow.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2023 10:41
Its absolutely filthy here this morning. Not sure the weather in the East Midlands is gonna be any better.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2023 12:27
I would be looking at the electricity meter
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2023 12:04
Bristol experiences a 'Taunton' like start to a game
Wet as hell!!
Wet as hell!!
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Whome (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2023 13:18
At least is water on grass, not mud like ours.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2023 13:43
True and it will go down over time which the CA section of ours doesn't seem to be doing quickly
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2023 10:21
With a dry, sunny day yesterday, I was surprised the black sheets were not removed to help it dry out in the pond area.
I am sure they must have a valid expert reason.
I am sure they must have a valid expert reason.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2023 11:53
I don't know if you noticed, the Warwickshire pitch was two away from the friendly match pitch.
I had a look yesterday, the covers were on what looks like the pitch between the two. I couldn't see the two used pitches because a white sheet was on the two pitches either side of the covers.
I am wondering how many times a match can be played that far over to avoid the bad area of the ground! How long will it be before the outfield has a full covering of grass?
I had a look yesterday, the covers were on what looks like the pitch between the two. I couldn't see the two used pitches because a white sheet was on the two pitches either side of the covers.
I am wondering how many times a match can be played that far over to avoid the bad area of the ground! How long will it be before the outfield has a full covering of grass?
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2023 15:42
Update for today.
Things don't seem to be improving, at last the black sheets covering the flooded area, in front of the CA Pavilion have been removed, as I thought the ponds are still there.
Things don't seem to be improving, at last the black sheets covering the flooded area, in front of the CA Pavilion have been removed, as I thought the ponds are still there.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2023 11:11
Glos v Yorks abandoned before Day 3 started. It has been wet here and it looked very wet in Bristol before the beginning of Day 1
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2023 11:37
Just an update for this morning.
The heat lamps are still on 24/7 in front of MT.P.
In the pond area, the black sheets are still off, looking at the colour of where the floods were, there seem to be a fresh layer of sand.
The heat lamps are still on 24/7 in front of MT.P.
In the pond area, the black sheets are still off, looking at the colour of where the floods were, there seem to be a fresh layer of sand.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2023 21:48
We got away with it for the Warks game, but maybe not for Lancs. When is Hollins going to announce a switch to Taunton Vale?
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 09:43
The Met office forecast doesn’t exactly inspire me with confidence for my trip. Wondering whether to pack the ice axe and crampons.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 10:57
Yeah. I am away next week. This time last week, the forecast for England for next week seemed to be really good, and the forecast for my destination less so.
Thankfully, the forecast for my destination has improved, markedly, but - alas - the forecast for England - the land the sun forgot - now seems hugely umpromising.
Thankfully, the forecast for my destination has improved, markedly, but - alas - the forecast for England - the land the sun forgot - now seems hugely umpromising.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 11:24
Thursday looks the best day of it Fri to Sunday predictions of rain in the 75 - 85% category. Doubt we'll see 4 full days or anything like.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 11:55
Yes I thought it was supposed to be looking good AGod. I guess sometime in 2023 I will be lucky with something but not holding my breath.
Saturday , lovely weather but no play for the first league game at Colwyn Bay despite optimism previous two days . There were worse places to be but also quite a few nearer places. Was good to have some cricket talk.
Saturday , lovely weather but no play for the first league game at Colwyn Bay despite optimism previous two days . There were worse places to be but also quite a few nearer places. Was good to have some cricket talk.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 12:15
Lovely sunny day. Heat lamps on. Still a lot of sand about. Director of cricket throwing balls down in the nets. Groundsmen endlessly cutting the grass. Pitch will be the same area as before. It can't be moved over presumably because it would either be too close to the flats or the rope far over because of the mud-flats.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 12:17
A warning if you are visiting Des.
The ground will probably have problems coping with amounts of surface water as it seems to be struggling with that dumped on the ground in March which reports suggest it has only just got cleared from in front of the CA.
If it rains, the level of water may be too much.
The ground will probably have problems coping with amounts of surface water as it seems to be struggling with that dumped on the ground in March which reports suggest it has only just got cleared from in front of the CA.
If it rains, the level of water may be too much.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 12:19
Oh, and "music" blaring-out from a boom box or somesuch by the nets! It presumably helps concentration.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 12:22
Where is the info about the pitch position from dilly? Have you seen the prep going on? Is it the same wicket? Gonna get very tired very quick. Though it was expected to be used for all the friendlies.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 12:24
Overton not bowling in the nets, infarct not on the pitch at all except to walk his dog on the outfield! On a lead,ind you.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 12:41
Yes.. Grockle… if they don’t fix the outfield? Our one pitch will be turning square by the time… Jack Leach starts the Ashes campaign!
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 12:47
'Fixing' the oufield is going to be impossible beyond encouraging the grass to grow in front of the MT - I assume the heat lamps are that 'fixing' attempt (not sure what else they can do with the season actually started. The 'fix' at the CA seems to be hoping we have enough dry weather to allow them to decrease the 'water table' at the CA end so that any rain does nnot create surface water - that may be more of a problem than a bit of scant green covering and could be a real problem if the summer is wet.
Not sure how any 'fixing' other than cosmetic can actuallly be done by the club during an ongoing season. They are relying on the weather being kind I think. It isn't going to be this next week from indications and the CA area seems to be the more pressing problem.
Not sure how any 'fixing' other than cosmetic can actuallly be done by the club during an ongoing season. They are relying on the weather being kind I think. It isn't going to be this next week from indications and the CA area seems to be the more pressing problem.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 13:18
The portents for a dry summer do not appear good, it has to be said.
Then again, in February I read about impending drought warning and how “there was no sign in the long term forecasts of a wetter than normal Spring.” Some prediction that turned out to be!
Then again, in February I read about impending drought warning and how “there was no sign in the long term forecasts of a wetter than normal Spring.” Some prediction that turned out to be!
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 14:01
Grockle @ 1217. Thanks; have been following . Already got train tickets so have to be in Somerset at least.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 14:30
Well if yer about & want a natter over something liquid I think the numbers are still the same. If not hope you see some cricket though many indications suggest Lancs might be happier if that happens.
But hope springs eternal in the South West
But hope springs eternal in the South West
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 15:11
I said earlier in the thread that the pitch is between the friendly and the Warwickshire pitch.
The heat lamps have moved closer to the advertising boards, the area what would normally be inside the boundary rope, is showing a bit of green.
The heat lamps have moved closer to the advertising boards, the area what would normally be inside the boundary rope, is showing a bit of green.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2023 15:27
Sorry Mike missed that. I assumed dilly was posting from a view today as there is nothing anywhere official but you two seem to live close which is always useful.
It must be a boundary consideration to be that far across.
The heat lamps did have some effect by the Warwickshire game as that area was greener, though it can't be a quantity of strong grass. However grass does grow quick (says the man who.has just cut his third of an acre for the second time in as many weeks!!)
Still would assume keeping off the pudding & the sparse coverings is the consideration. Suggesting the whole outfield still isn't fit for the professional game and we are having to muddle to make do!
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It must be a boundary consideration to be that far across.
The heat lamps did have some effect by the Warwickshire game as that area was greener, though it can't be a quantity of strong grass. However grass does grow quick (says the man who.has just cut his third of an acre for the second time in as many weeks!!)
Still would assume keeping off the pudding & the sparse coverings is the consideration. Suggesting the whole outfield still isn't fit for the professional game and we are having to muddle to make do!
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Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2023 22:49
The heat lights are on tonight in the area of the ponds (dry now)
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2023 09:49
At least we don't have to pay the electricity bill, hang on the club is being run on our behalf. Yikes
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2023 15:04
We could have a green outfield by the next home match.
The pond area is looking a bit green, with the lamps on it.
The pond area is looking a bit green, with the lamps on it.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2023 15:13
Have they moved the lamps to the CA area Mike?
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2023 15:45
Yes, for the last two days.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2023 15:24
Disappointment, the ponds are back, (heat lamps are still on), also there are areas on different parts of the outfield, with water on the top of the grass.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2023 16:03
Must be a West Country thing at the moment. This from Gloucestershire's website today. They managed an hour's play before:
Umpires Billy Taylor and Mark Newell took the decision to abandon play for the day at 3.15 pm, by which time there was casual water on several areas and seagulls wading on the covers.
Not sure what casual water is, presumably the result of organised rain. I trust they have not taken our seagulls.
Farmer
Umpires Billy Taylor and Mark Newell took the decision to abandon play for the day at 3.15 pm, by which time there was casual water on several areas and seagulls wading on the covers.
Not sure what casual water is, presumably the result of organised rain. I trust they have not taken our seagulls.
Farmer
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2023 17:39
The water tables must be high and the present climate won't be changing that position. Bleak & miserable Somerset day today
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2023 14:11
I can't be 100%, a white sheet is covering a pitch near the middle. If that is the case that it is being use for the next match, the area that was flooded must be going to be used. Once the raise covers are covering a pitch, I will know for sure.
Lamps are still on.
Lamps are still on.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2023 10:34
Heat lamps on again yesterday, I did notice on the last livestream there were still some bad areas on the outfield.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2023 10:50
Footholds on the MT crease were a problem in the last game after almost no deliveries
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2023 11:01
Yep, I did notice that, that shouldn't have happened so soon after the start.
The soil was dark, like it was wet.
The soil was dark, like it was wet.
Re: Pitch Perceptions
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2023 11:04
Think it stopped Henry bowling. He finished that over but then didn't bowl again until 1 over at the end. Whatever they did to fix it seemed to work well but it wasn't a good sign.
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